How will they fix it this week

[nanaimo]

How will they fix it this week if wagner isn't up because thats the only way i can see her staying in.

[Niamh.]

her time is up if Wagner isn't there, tbh even if Wagner is there can they really save her 4 times???

[fruit_cake]

I'd put up Mary and Katie.. I'm sure they could make up some excuse..:conf3:

[Novo]

her time is up if Wagner isn't there, tbh even if Wagner is there can they really save her 4 times???

Course they can and they will there is no rule to how many times you can save someone less time i checked :joker:

[Novo]

I'd put up Mary and Katie.. I'm sure they could make up some excuse..:conf3:

" Mary you are a one trick pony " :dance:

[tate]

i think it would possibly go to deadlock between wagner and katie, dannii (seems fed up of katie now) & louis vote wagner to stay, the other two would obviously vote katie

in a deadlock situation katie would be a goner

[Niamh.]

Course they can and they will there is no rule to how many times you can save someone less time i checked :joker:

I know there is no rule saying you can't but the judges, particularly Simon have always worked off the principle that the more times you're in the bottom the less likely it is that people actually like you and therefore would choose the other person. If she ends up in the bottom, she will be there 4 times against someone who has never been there, it would only seem fair to get rid of Katie at this point as all her chances should well and truly be up!

[Niamh.]

i think it would possibly go to deadlock between wagner and katie, dannii (seems fed up of katie now) & louis vote wagner to stay, the other two would obviously vote katie

in a deadlock situation katie would be a goner

I dont know would Simon actually keep Wagner in, remember when he kept Jedward in one time, shocked everyone

[stewart64]

I think Mary and Paije would be vunerable against Katie, neither has much Xfactor. I doubt any serious challenger will be in the bottom four...Rebecca, Matt, Aiden and Cher. You are quite welcome to waste your money on them voting or you can make your voter count this week.

Look we know Katie is in danger, bloody vote for her and we will be spared the histrionics and she will be on tour.

[tate]

I dont know would Simon actually keep Wagner in, remember when he kept Jedward in one time, shocked everyone

he is invested in katie though and up coles bum so a double whammy! he does also seem to have lost his edge this year

[Niamh.]

he is invested in katie though and up coles bum so a double whammy! he does also seem to have lost his edge this year

hhmmm we'll see I suppose, should be an interesting week anyway regardless!

[Strictly Jake]

I have a feeling the fix this week will have something to do with paije vs katie?

[Adamw92]

It's gotta be a double elimination this week I'm sure so I'd think the bottom 3 will be Katie, Mary and Wagner with Katie having the lowest, they could easily fix it though and make it just a single one to try and save the weasel.

[Novo]

If it's a double then Paije will be out then Katie and Wagner bottom two with Katie surviving again :)

[stewart64]

It's gotta be a double elimination this week I'm sure so I'd think the bottom 3 will be Katie, Mary and Wagner with Katie having the lowest, they could easily fix it though and make it just a single one to try and save the weasel.

Well I am glad that we have Simon and Louis looking after the fans interests, even though they don't know it.

All this brings to mind BB11. John James was a brat and cozza a fake, and the majority wanted rid of them. They got their wish and the end of the show was a bloody borothon.

If this show becomes about crowning Matt mid-series and the Waissel sideshow is gone, this show will be a bore.

[tate]

i dont think the series will become a bore at all

unfortnately you only have to look on page 1 of this forum ... Katie is totally dominating the headlines, the comments, the forums etc

TBH i think enough is enough. I personally would like to talk about someone else, debate other performers. i feel the katie show is now overshadowing all the other contestants and that we simply cannot find out enough about anyone else due to this or even dare to discuss the others

thinking back over other series also i have never found the programme a bore, i have always enjoyed it so dont feel that katie going would change my mind about that

[Jords]

Katie last probz.

[Adamw92]

Katie last probz.

Won't help. we should and will be rid of her this weekend! :dance:

[stewart64]

Won't help. we should and will be rid of her this weekend! :dance:

She could throw a sickie, and that eviction could be postponed till next week and get her on the tour.

[Niamh.]

If it's a double then Paije will be out then Katie and Wagner bottom two with Katie surviving again :)

do you need reminding that Paije has never been in the bottom 2? most likely outcome would be Katie

[nanaimo]

And Paije is a good singer, mighn't be everyones cup of tea but i think he would massacre katie in a sing off, if they tried pulling what they did last weekend if it was between those two i think there would be investigations for sure, 4 days katie is gone back to frightening the crows ;)

[Niamh.]

And Paije is a good singer, mighn't be everyones cup of tea but i think he would massacre katie in a sing off, if they tried pulling what they did last weekend if it was between those two i think there would be investigations for sure, 4 days katie is gone back to frightening the crows ;)

:laugh:

I don't think Paije will be in the bottom at all, I really like him, I especially liked him last week, he's going up in my estimations

[nanaimo]

:laugh:

I don't think Paije will be in the bottom at all, I really like him, I especially liked him last week, he's going up in my estimations

would prefer paije in bottom 2 not because i don't like him but think there would be a better chnace of katie going with him in it, instead of wagner v katie, we know how that voting would go :shocked:

[Niamh.]

would prefer paije in bottom 2 not because i don't like him but think there would be a better chnace of katie going with him in it, instead of wagner v katie, we know how that voting would go :shocked:

I don't know though, I think after all the controversy last week and the fact that it will be her 4th time there, I think they would have to get rid of her no matter who she faces, even Wagner

[joeysteele]

I know there is no rule saying you can't but the judges, particularly Simon have always worked off the principle that the more times you're in the bottom the less likely it is that people actually like you and therefore would choose the other person. If she ends up in the bottom, she will be there 4 times against someone who has never been there, it would only seem fair to get rid of Katie at this point as all her chances should well and truly be up!

I totally agree with you, It would look terrible and very suspicious if Katie survived this week if in the bottom 2 again.
She would then have been there 4 weeks out of 6,and I recalee when Simon had the Conway Sisters,they had been in the last a few times and he said. as he voted out his own act, it was clear they were never going to be able to win the competition because they were in the bottom 2 again.
So off they went.

I really cannot see, other than Wagner, who Katie could now stay over in the bottom 2. All the others are superior to her in style and vocals,they also remember the words to whatever song they do too.

I have a feeling that it may not be that unlikely that the public will put Cheryl in the same position again this week, with 2 of her acts again making the bottom 2.

As Jeff Brazier said though, they still have to have one more week of a double elimination and if that is the case this week, then Katie is well gone,I feel sure the public and those who voted for Treyc will want to ensure Katie goes this week.

I doubt the double elimination will happen this week though as what seems to be the desired thing from Simon and and the producers is that they want Katie on the tour but I hope she's gone this week,its very long overdue and no other acts should lose out now for her failure to be popular.

[Niamh.]

I totally agree with you, It would look terrible and very suspicious if Katie survived this week if in the bottom 2 again.
She would then have been there 4 weeks out of 6,and I recalee when Simon had the Conway Sisters,they had been in the last a few times and he said. as he voted out his own act, it was clear they were never going to be able to win the competition because they were in the bottom 2 again.
So off they went.

I really cannot see, other than Wagner, who Katie could now stay over in the bottom 2. All the others are superior to her in style and vocals,they also remember the words to whatever song they do too.

I have a feeling that it may not be that unlikely that the public will put Cheryl in the same position again this week, with 2 of her acts again making the bottom 2.

As Jeff Brazier said though, they still have to have one more week of a double elimination and if that is the case this week, then Katie is well gone,I feel sure the public and those who voted for Treyc will want to ensure Katie goes this week.

I doubt the double elimination will happen this week though as what seems to be the desired thing from Simon and and the producers is that they want Katie on the tour but I hope she's gone this week,its very long overdue and no other acts should lose out now for her failure to be popular.

Even Wagner remembers the words to his songs!!:joker:

[nanaimo]

I totally agree with you, It would look terrible and very suspicious if Katie survived this week if in the bottom 2 again.
She would then have been there 4 weeks out of 6,and I recalee when Simon had the Conway Sisters,they had been in the last a few times and he said. as he voted out his own act, it was clear they were never going to be able to win the competition because they were in the bottom 2 again.
So off they went.

I really cannot see, other than Wagner, who Katie could now stay over in the bottom 2. All the others are superior to her in style and vocals,they also remember the words to whatever song they do too.

I have a feeling that it may not be that unlikely that the public will put Cheryl in the same position again this week, with 2 of her acts again making the bottom 2.

As Jeff Brazier said though, they still have to have one more week of a double elimination and if that is the case this week, then Katie is well gone,I feel sure the public and those who voted for Treyc will want to ensure Katie goes this week.

I doubt the double elimination will happen this week though as what seems to be the desired thing from Simon and and the producers is that they want Katie on the tour but I hope she's gone this week,its very long overdue and no other acts should lose out now for her failure to be popular.

Totally agree, maybe 4th time Simon will see the light if not too distracted by Cheryl and please Treyc fans do your duty this weekend, that poor girl didn't deserve to be shafted like that :(

[Niamh.]

Totally agree, maybe 4th time Simon will see the light if not too distracted by Cheryl and please Treyc fans do your duty this weekend, that poor girl didn't deserve to be shafted like that :(

The question is who do Treyc fans vote for in order to make sure Katie is bottom?

[nanaimo]

yeah thats the problem

[fruit_cake]

The question is who do Treyc fans vote for in order to make sure Katie is bottom?

maybe Wagner or Paije or even Mary this week???

[Niamh.]

maybe Wagner or Paije or even Mary this week???

it just so hard to tell though. None of the rest of them have been in the bottom before so we have no clue who's been close and who hasn't.

Like remember the year Eoghan was in it and after the final they called out who topped the voting each week and he'd topped it 7 times or something, that was a real surprise, I would never have picked him not for one show so Paije could be topping the votes for all we know

[nanaimo]

not wagner, danni, cheryl and simon will not save him

[Niamh.]

not wagner, danni, cheryl and simon will not save him

I really believe that if Wagner ends up in the bottom that Louis and Simon would save him

[fruit_cake]

not wagner, danni, cheryl and simon will not save him

well Simon said last week that he 'quite liked' Wagners song.. he did exactly the same last year and the week after booted out Lucie and kept Jedward

[Niamh.]

well Simon said last week that he 'quite liked' Wagners song.. he did exactly the same last year and the week after booted out Lucie and kept Jedward

yep, in fact I would actually put money on the fact that if those two are in the bottom he'll save Wagner

[fruit_cake]

yep, in fact I would actually put money on the fact that if those two are in the bottom he'll save Wagner

lol.. he'll make it look like a really surprise decision too I can just see his faked surprised smile :sleep::sleep:

[nanaimo]

yep, in fact I would actually put money on the fact that if those two are in the bottom he'll save Wagner

Fingers crossed :)

[Niamh.]

Fingers crossed :)

I'm always waiting every week for Wagner to be in the bottom though and it never happens, I wonder just how big this campaign is??

[nanaimo]

Well i play a huge game online which has about 14 million players and i posted on forums to vote for wagner so hopefully we will get half of them anyway :)

[Niamh.]

Well i play a huge game online which has about 14 million players and i posted on forums to vote for wagner so hopefully we will get half of them anyway :)

:joker: good luck with that, I'll be thinking of you Sunday if he escapes the bottom 2 again!!

[Tom4784]

Ofcom for once has got it right, The public don't have a say in who goes until the final weeks. For now you only get to choose who's in the bottom 2 unless it's taken to Deadlock. It's upto ITV how they determine who goes and it always has been. I think they made the right decision, Treyc was never going to be successful as by her own admission she had no interest in forming an artistic identity for herself. I'd prefer the bland people go rather then the interesting ones.

Ofcom has ruled that it's not a fix so drop it and stop being bitter, it's getting tiresome.

[nanaimo]

Ofcom for once has got it right, The public don't have a say in who goes until the final weeks. For now you only get to choose who's in the bottom 2 unless it's taken to Deadlock. It's upto ITV how they determine who goes and it always has been. I think they made the right decision, Treyc was never going to be successful as by her own admission she had no interest in forming an artistic identity for herself. I'd prefer the bland people go rather then the interesting ones.

Ofcom has ruled that it's not a fix so drop it and stop being bitter, it's getting tiresome.

So says a katie fan :xyxwave:

[Niamh.]

Ofcom for once has got it right, The public don't have a say in who goes until the final weeks. For now you only get to choose who's in the bottom 2 unless it's taken to Deadlock. It's upto ITV how they determine who goes and it always has been. I think they made the right decision, Treyc was never going to be successful as by her own admission she had no interest in forming an artistic identity for herself. I'd prefer the bland people go rather then the interesting ones.

Ofcom has ruled that it's not a fix so drop it and stop being bitter, it's getting tiresome.

If people are annoyed, they're allowed talk about it Dezzy

[Tom4784]

So says a katie fan :xyxwave:

Well I'm obviouslyy going to be stunned into silence by that cliched retort now aren't I?

There's no fixes here, If Ofcom says there ain't anything wrong then there's nothing wrong. It's a fact. Try an argue against that or are you going to say 'So says a ____ fan' again?

[Tom4784]

If people are annoyed, they're allowed talk about it Dezzy

They've got no room to be though, it ain't fixed and if they wanted Treyc through that badly they should have voted, Simple as. The fact is no one cared about her but they're just using her as a reason to rage now because they can.

People like having a reason to complain and hate.

[Niamh.]

Well I'm obviouslyy going to be stunned into silence by that cliched retort now aren't I?

There's no fixes here, If Ofcom says there ain't anything wrong then there's nothing wrong. It's a fact. Try an argue against that or are you going to say 'So says a ____ fan' again?

Technically speaking maybe but people have a problem with the way they may have manipulated the situation by changing around they're normal procedures to avoid deadlock. If you don't agree that's your opinion but other peoples opinions are equally as valid even if you don't agree with them.

[Niamh.]

They've got no room to be though, it ain't fixed and if they wanted Treyc through that badly they should have voted, Simple as. The fact is no one cared about her but they're just using her as a reason to rage now because they can.

People like having a reason to complain and hate.

They have no reason in your opinion but in theirs and mine, we do. They may not have broken any rules but imo they manipulated the situation to suit what they wanted, which if nothing else is unfair (imo)

[fruit_cake]

I'd prefer the bland people go rather then the interesting ones.

Dezzy why don't you think its ok to debate this then if you like the interesting things??

[Tom4784]

Technically speaking maybe but people have a problem with the way they may have manipulated the situation by changing around they're normal procedures to avoid deadlock. If you don't agree that's your opinion but other peoples opinions are equally as valid even if you don't agree with them.

I'm not denying him an opinion, I'm just saying it's a fact now that it's not fixed. He can be in denial about it all he wants but that doesn't stop me from having an opinion on his opinion. It's a two way street Niamh.

Like I said, ITV are allowed to determine who goes however they wish, it's always been the case but people are okay with it as long as they get their own way. It's only a problem when they don't.

[Tom4784]

Dezzy why don't you think its ok to debate this then if you like the interesting things??

I think there's no point in wasting time discusing whether something was fixed or not when Ofcom who'd have looked through the records and such and know more about it then any of us has ruled it as not a fix.

There's debate and then there's denial.

[nanaimo]

having cheryl going second was a fix, how can you justify that one?

[Niamh.]

I'm not denying him an opinion, I'm just saying it's a fact now that it's not fixed. He can be in denial about it all he wants but that doesn't stop me from having an opinion on his opinion. It's a two way street Niamh.

Like I said, ITV are allowed to determine who goes however they wish, it's always been the case but people are okay with it as long as they get their own way. It's only a problem when they don't.

All these opinions on opinions are getting confusing:joker:

But my only issue is that you said "Ofcom has ruled that it's not a fix so drop it and stop being bitter, it's getting tiresome" which in effect is telling people that they shouldn't be talking about it anymore. Why ever not??? This is the X-Factor forum, it's the big controversy and talking point this week, why would we not be talking about it?? If we weren't the tumble weed would be rolling through this section right now!!

And yeah of course it's only a problem if it goes against what you wanted but that's just human nature!

[Tom4784]

They have no reason in your opinion but in theirs and mine, we do. They may not have broken any rules but imo they manipulated the situation to suit what they wanted, which if nothing else is unfair (imo)

All reality shows manipulate situations, BB did it frequently which often influenced evictions. It's a fact of reality TV that it can be manipulated however the producers want it and it's been that way ever since Reality TV began. If the public had total control most shows would be incredibly dull as by large the voting public are stupid and irrational and as a whole nearly always makes the wrong decisions on all Reality shows with votes.

[fruit_cake]

I don't see what harm a bit of gossip on an internet forum is going to do.. the worlds not going to end I reckon :conf::conf:

[Niamh.]

All reality shows manipulate situations, BB did it frequently which often influenced evictions. It's a fact of reality TV that it can be manipulated however the producers want it and it's been that way ever since Reality TV began. If the public had total control most shows would be incredibly dull as by large the voting public are stupid and irrational and as a whole nearly always makes the wrong decisions on all Reality shows with votes.

And when they did it on BB we whinged and moaned about it too, all part of the fun of Reality TV and these forums, because after you talk about how well are badly the contestants have done, we move onto to the gossip and conspiracy theories!

[nanaimo]

I have friends in Canada and they have been watching it and they don't have the tabloids and news we have here but their reaction was FIX and it has even been on some tv stations there as x factor fix, so you say its not but alot of people feel it is i'm afraid.

[nanaimo]

And when they did it on BB we whinged and moaned about it too, all part of the fun of Reality TV and these forums, because after you talk about how well are badly the contestants have done, we move onto to the gossip and conspiracy theories!

Next week we will have wurzels with their conspiracy theories about why Katie was voted out:xyxwave:

[Tom4784]

All these opinions on opinions are getting confusing:joker:

But my only issue is that you said "Ofcom has ruled that it's not a fix so drop it and stop being bitter, it's getting tiresome" which in effect is telling people that they shouldn't be talking about it anymore. Why ever not??? This is the X-Factor forum, it's the big controversy and talking point this week, why would we not be talking about it?? If we weren't the tumble weed would be rolling through this section right now!!

And yeah of course it's only a problem if it goes against what you wanted but that's just human nature!

I just get hung up on the 'fix' part, if Ofcom, a governing body that knows far more about the situation then any of us will ever know says nothing is wrong then it annoys me when people say it's fixed as it isn't. It's just manipulated like I said in another post. People wouldn't have complained if it was the other way around and Katie went in a majority vote and that makes them hypocritical.

You either think it's all wrong or not at all, you can't pick and choose otherwise it's hyporcritical.

[Tom4784]

Next week we will have wurzels with their conspiracy theories about why Katie was voted out:xyxwave:

Well since that was aimed at me, I'm a rational human being. I don't foam at the mouth over what happens on some Reality TV show. She's going to go next week or the week after anyway and that's fine. It's not like I'm going to care about any of the contestants beyond Christmas anyway.

[Niamh.]

I just get hung up on the 'fix' part, if Ofcom, a governing body that knows far more about the situation then any of us will ever know says nothing is wrong then it annoys me when people say it's fixed as it isn't. It's just manipulated like I said in another post. People wouldn't have complained if it was the other way around and Katie went in a majority vote and that makes them hypocritical.

You either think it's all wrong or not at all, you can't pick and choose otherwise it's hyporcritical.

I take your point but when people say Fix they mean in the sense that the producers fixed it for Katie to stay rather than fixed the voting. And I think this is a valid theory. The people who are complaining now probably wouldn't have complained if it were the other way round because a) Katies has been in the bottom so much, b) she messed up her song and clearly Treyc was the better singer, does that make them hypocritical? I don't think so. Not everything in life is so black and white. Equally if it had been the other way round Katie fans would be in our position

[nanaimo]

Well since that was aimed at me, I'm a rational human being. I don't foam at the mouth over what happens on some Reality TV show. She's going to go next week or the week after anyway and that's fine. It's not like I'm going to care about any of the contestants beyond Christmas anyway.

All this banter we have on forums is not malicious at all its just fun, if we didn't it would be very boring wouldn't it :)

[Tom4784]

I take your point but when people say Fix they mean in the sense that the producers fixed it for Katie to stay rather than fixed the voting. And I think this is a valid theory. The people who are complaining now probably wouldn't have complained if it were the other way round because a) Katies has been in the bottom so much, b) she messed up her song and clearly Treyc was the better singer, does that make them hypocritical? I don't think so. Not everything in life is so black and white. Equally if it had been the other way round Katie fans would be in our position

It'd make them hypocritical because it'd still happen but they wouldn't complain as they got the result they wanted. Just because it'd a popular result wouldn't mean the same type of manipulating wouldn't take place. That's why it's hypocrtical, you can't hate the system when you don't get your own way but celebrate it when you do regardless of circumstances.

[Niamh.]

It'd make them hypocritical because it'd still happen but they wouldn't complain as they got the result they wanted. Just because it'd a popular result wouldn't mean the same type of manipulating wouldn't take place. That's why it's hypocrtical, you can't hate the system when you don't get your own way but celebrate it when you do regardless of circumstances.

Well, the fact is that if the worse singer and the one who messed up the song went home, then it would have been fair. The system wouldn't have had to be manipulated if it was going on that, so hypothetical hypocrisy isn't really a good enough reason to tell people to stop talking about the biggest talking point this series!

[Locke.]

None of them were going to win anyway, if Treyc stayed then she would have just been in the bottom 2 again either this week or next week, just like Katie will be.

More people are interested in seeing Katie perform, even if she has been in the bottom 2 more times, you just have to look on the forums to see that. So she should be singing on the tour over people that no one wants to hear.

[Niamh.]

None of them were going to win anyway, if Treyc stayed then she would have just been in the bottom 2 again either this week or next week, just like Katie will be.

More people are interested in seeing Katie perform, even if she has been in the bottom 2 more times, you just have to look on the forums to see that. So she should be singing on the tour over people that no one wants to hear.

you're right in saying neither of them will win but very wrong in who people would rather listen to sing, I know if I had to choose, I'd be picking Treyc for the sake of my ears:hugesmile:

[Tom4784]

Well, the fact is that if the worse singer and the one who messed up the song went home, then it would have been fair. The system wouldn't have had to be manipulated if it was going on that, so hypothetical hypocrisy isn't really a good enough reason to tell people to stop talking about the biggest talking point this series!

But that's still justifying it because it's the favourable result and it's still hypocritical no matter how you cut it. Let's say if next week Aiden went and I was suddenly all 'IT'S A FIX RAWR RAGE RAWR' people would waste no time in saying I was a hypocrite and they'd be right as I'd only agree with the system as long as I got the result I wanted.

It's the same thing here but reversed.

I only wanted people to stop saying it was a fix as it wasn't, they can discuss the ethics of it all they want. I just hate it when people in denial can't accept facts. It wasn't a fixed result but a manipulated one and most people are okay with that as long as it's the result they want which annoys me.

[Niamh.]

But that's still justifying it because it's the favourable result and it's still hypocritical no matter how you cut it. Let's say if next week Aiden went and I was suddenly all 'IT'S A FIX RAWR RAGE RAWR' people would waste no time in saying I was a hypocrite and they'd be right as I'd only agree with the system as long as I got the result I wanted.

It's the same thing here but reversed.

I only wanted people to stop saying it was a fix as it wasn't, they can discuss the ethics of it all they want. I just hate it when people in denial can't accept facts. It wasn't a fixed result but a manipulated one and most people are okay with that as long as it's the result they want which annoys me.

You're still talking about hypothetical situations though, you can't tell me how I would or wouldn't react to a situation that hasn't even happened yet. And what would be wrong with someone saying, yeah it was a bit manipulated but I'm not that annoyed cos it's the result I wanted? That's not hypocritical, that's being honest.

And people who are saying fix are using it in a different way to you, nobody is saying that the votes were fixed they're saying it was fixed in such a way to avoid deadlock which imo is correct.

[nanaimo]

You're still talking about hypothetical situations though, you can't tell me how I would or wouldn't react to a situation that hasn't even happened yet. And what would be wrong with someone saying, yeah it was a bit manipulated but I'm not that annoyed cos it's the result I wanted? That's not hypocritical, that's being honest.

And people who are saying fix are using it in a different way to you, nobody is saying that the votes were fixed they're saying it was fixed in such a way to avoid deadlock which imo is correct.

yes exactly, i think we all saw the same thing and was obvious what was going on.

[Tom4784]

You're still talking about hypothetical situations though, you can't tell me how I would or wouldn't react to a situation that hasn't even happened yet. And what would be wrong with someone saying, yeah it was a bit manipulated but I'm not that annoyed cos it's the result I wanted? That's not hypocritical, that's being honest.

Hypocrisy and Honesty aren't two opposing concepts, it's possible to be both. Manipulations happen in all eliminations, not just the controversial ones. Plus you see it throughout the other parts of X Factor as well. Simon and the producer's have their favourites and you can see this easily as they almost always got universal praise every week (unless the producers want a sympathy based angle) as well as favourable coverage in the spinoff shows, for example in one segment I remember they branded Rebecca the most stylish and nicest contestant if I remember right and then said that Wagner was difficult to live with and such. It's both subtle and obtuse in a way but both are ways to reinforce opinions on both of these acts (not that Rebecca needs special treatment really, same for Matt despite his increasing blandness. Still they'll both get it).

Yet they won't get called out on it as they're popular. It's just hypocrisy. The system's only bad when people want a reason to complain when they don't get what they want. That's why it's hypocritical and I'm repeating myself I know but that's the fact of the matter. You either think the system's fixed or you don't. You can't switch and swap week in and week out.

[Niamh.]

Hypocrisy and Honesty aren't two opposing concepts, it's possible to be both. Manipulations happen in all eliminations, not just the controversial ones. Plus you see it throughout the other parts of X Factor as well. Simon and the producer's have their favourites and you can see this easily as they almost always got universal praise every week (unless the producers want a sympathy based angle) as well as favourable coverage in the spinoff shows, for example in one segment I remember they branded Rebecca the most stylish and nicest contestant if I remember right and then said that Wagner was difficult to live with and such. It's both subtle and obtuse in a way but both are ways to reinforce opinions on both of these acts (not that Rebecca needs special treatment really, same for Matt despite his increasing blandness. Still they'll both get it).

Yet they won't get called out on it as they're popular. It's just hypocrisy. The system's only bad when people want a reason to complain when they don't get what they want. That's why it's hypocritical and I'm repeating myself I know but that's the fact of the matter. You either think the system's fixed or you don't. You can't switch and swap week in and week out.

But I do think the system is fixed in general. Obviously I and everyone else will get more annoyed though when it becomes so blatant and unfair as it last week.

Like you said, there really is nothing more I could say on it that wouldn't be repetitive, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one!

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All reality shows manipulate situations, BB did it frequently which often influenced evictions. It's a fact of reality TV that it can be manipulated however the producers want it and it's been that way ever since Reality TV began. If the public had total control most shows would be incredibly dull as by large the voting public are stupid and irrational and as a whole nearly always makes the wrong decisions on all Reality shows with votes.

Talking of BB, wouldn't it be fun if we could VOTE TO EVICT just for one week on XF? How about a double eviction lol?

[robb]

I take your point but when people say Fix they mean in the sense that the producers fixed it for Katie to stay rather than fixed the voting. And I think this is a valid theory. The people who are complaining now probably wouldn't have complained if it were the other way round because a) Katies has been in the bottom so much, b) she messed up her song and clearly Treyc was the better singer, does that make them hypocritical? I don't think so. Not everything in life is so black and white. Equally if it had been the other way round Katie fans would be in our position

Yep, the producers must have had a pretty good idea it would end up 2-1 in Katie's favour once Cheryl had done the obvious and not wanted to upset anyone. That's how it was 'fixed'.