London Student Protest

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289398608417/Protesting-students-gathe-006.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Nov/Week2/15799207.jpg

Live on all media.

I was watching on SkyNewsHD
and a Thug - Criminal -Student Lad smashed the thick window
in Millbank and then to my Horror
a Female Student rammed a Stick in it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see they are all up early for the demo


tomorrow they will sleep in until their only lecture of the week at 5pm

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C005625000005DC-634_634x406.jpg

Look Thomas is there

[Livia]

Students here's a radical idea, get a freakin' job to help subsidise your studying. It might help to give you some kind of work ethic that you're seriously lacking now. Plus you won't have to pay anything back to the taxpayer when you're on £100,000 plus a year.

And why are they demonstrating outside Millbank? It was LABOUR who introduced fees and ended grants.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C00771A000005DC-853_634x426.jpg

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Mob: Police clashing with protesters outside the Department of Business

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328385/Tuition-fee-protests-turn-violent-angry-students-smash-windows-Westminster.html#ixzz14tOeGiXT

[Crimson Dynamo]

sad bunch of psychology/media studies/languages student waistrels


note the only one who has a real job is the poor copper

[MTVN]

Pretty much what I expected. Someone who used to go to my school sent an email round to everyone on his facebook friend list urging them to attend, an offer I firmly rejected. University is an investment in your future career, you cant expect to have your studies paid for all your life, if the benefit you get from your degree does not outweigh the cost then dont go - simple.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C002479000005DC-322_306x670.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C002479000005DC-322_306x670.jpg

:laugh2:

[arista]

But the banner saying ****** Fees
should be outside Labour.
As they brought them in.

[arista]

Pretty much what I expected. Someone who used to go to my school sent an email round to everyone on his facebook friend list urging them to attend, an offer I firmly rejected. University is an investment in your future career, you cant expect to have your studies paid for all your life, if the benefit you get from your degree does not outweigh the cost then dont go - simple.



You are most wise MTVN

[Barbie]

I am a student and i think its stupid. As if going and protesting, causing violence and making fires is going to make anyone take you seriously!

[arista]

I am a student and i think its stupid. As if going and protesting, causing violence and making fires is going to make anyone take you seriously!


Barbie you are also Most Wise.

[Iceman]

They are on the roof now :shocked:

[arista]

They are also in a lobby
some younger students dancing.


Some are burning Pictures of Nick Clegg


Live on Sky News

[Iceman]

They are also in a lobby
some younger students dancing.


Some are burning Pictures of Nick Clegg


Live on Sky News

it's pointless, yeah they might get on TV and show up the country but at the end of the day the only thing to come out of this is arrests.

[arista]

it's pointless, yeah they might get on TV and show up the country but at the end of the day the only thing to come out of this is arrests.


Yes so many want to Smash places up
none of them talking to the media.


The Special Police with Shields are on there way
SkyNews Live

Also on LBC & Radio 5 Live

[Iceman]

Yes so many want to Smash places up
none of them talking to the media.

They come across as animals nothing more nothing less (Not just sayin the protesters in UK before anyone has a go, I mean anyone who protests like this)

[MTVN]

They come across as animals nothing more nothing less (Not just sayin the protesters in UK before anyone has a go, I mean anyone who protests like this)

Yeha, it looks bad an all students tbh, gives them very little credibility.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C00969F000005DC-640_306x340.jpg

A Copper with no Shield

[arista]

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The Evil ones
cover there faces.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C00027C000005DC-416_634x833.jpg


This before the Fires.

[ange7]

"and then to my Horror"
mahahahaha!!!
Can you knit me a sweater with that on it nanna?

[arista]

"and then to my Horror"
mahahahaha!!!
Can you knit me a sweater with that on it nanna?



"and then to my Horror
a Female Student rammed a Stick in it. "



Yes a Shocker

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289401809282/Student-protesters-on-the-005.jpg

[ange7]

I am a student and i think its stupid. As if going and protesting, causing violence and making fires is going to make anyone take you seriously!
yep thanks che but showing your dissaproval of government poicy is kind of what democracy is all about. People has a RIGHT to protest, problem is most just sitt in front of their tellies moaning to themselves instead of beng politically active ( let alone politically aware).
Agree that violence is never the way to go but 99.9% of them look like they are standing around holding signs and banners while some anachists who probably don't even know what the demo is about have taken the opportunity to bust some windows.
The point is political activism isn't useless...sitting at home watching TV while toffs in suits make choices for....is.

[MTVN]

yep thanks che but showing your dissaproval of government poicy is kind of what democracy is all about. People has a RIGHT to protest, problem is most just sitt in front of their tellies moaning to themselves instead of beng politically active ( let alone politically aware).
Agree that violence is never the way to go but 99.9% of them look like they are standing around holding signs and banners while some anachists who probably don't even know what the demo is about have taken the opportunity to bust some windows.
The point is political activism isn't useless...sitting at home watching TV while toffs in suits make choices for....is.

I dont think anyone is critcising the protest, or their right to, it's the violent turn that it's taken which has shocked people.

Good to see some students from Bristol saying how appaled they were. We're a lot more civilised down in the South-west :p

[arista]

"while toffs "

ange7 the Leader of the (Dead) Labour Party is a Toff
educated at Oxford.

[arista]

On SkyNewsHD Live
they have Students shouting at each other.
Some want it to Burn Down
others do not.


They also showed a Fire Extinguisher
being chucked off the Roof onto the Crowd.

[Livia]

The Conservatives don't have the whole of Millbank Tower. Most of the building is occupied by people who have nothing to do with politics and are there working for a living. Now they're going to have to run the gauntlet of rent-a-mob just to get home tonight.

[MTVN]

On SkyNewsHD Live
they have Students shouting at each other.
Some want it to Burn Down
others do not.

Yeah, the ones condemning it are making their point a lot more constructively, they're actually being rational about it.

They were right, there's a lot of them there who aren't even students, they're there with anarchists flags and stuff. The fir extinguisher that got thrown off the roof; that would have easily killed someone if it had hit anybody

[ange7]

"and then to my Horror
a Female Student rammed a Stick in it. "



Yes a Shocker
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sFSaa16PmI4/SFMR6YH82KI/AAAAAAAABGI/obbQWGakVGY/s400/che-guevara.jpg
"and then to my horror... they had a revolution but I wasn't invited" arista

[Livia]

I blame all the 'e' numbers in Pot Noodle.

[arista]

Also Live on FoxNews USA,
And France24 News.

[ange7]

The Conservatives don't have the whole of Millbank Tower. Most of the building is occupied by people who have nothing to do with politics and are there working for a living. Now they're going to have to run the gauntlet of rent-a-mob just to get home tonight.
lol "rent-a-mob" to describe people who want to make a difference.
Don't worry about those that need to "get home tonight", most of them have Sky Plus to record all the important stuff in their lives :P

[Livia]

Someone's let me know ange7 has replied to my post. Save your effort, I don't have any interest in what you've got to say which is why you're on ignore.

[arista]

Someone's let me know ange7 has replied to my post. Save your effort, I don't have any interest in what you've got to say which is why you're on ignore.


He is having a Poke and Laugh.

Saying how most have Sky+ so they will record everything
no rush to leave

[ange7]

I dont think anyone is critcising the protest, or their right to, it's the violent turn that it's taken which has shocked people.

Good to see some students from Bristol saying how appaled they were. We're a lot more civilised down in the South-west :p

Yeah ..agree and said as much.
re Bristol students.....how did they protest? Did they burn a witch?

[ange7]

Someone's let me know ange7 has replied to my post. Save your effort, I don't have any interest in what you've got to say which is why you're on ignore.

lol... you don't have anyone on ignore. Saying so makes the pwnage that much sweeter :P

[arista]

Yeah, the ones condemning it are making their point a lot more constructively, they're actually being rational about it.

They were right, there's a lot of them there who aren't even students, they're there with anarchists flags and stuff. The fir extinguisher that got thrown off the roof; that would have easily killed someone if it had hit anybody


Yes the Front Pages
are getting many photos of the Evil ones.

Tuition fee protests turn violent as angry students smash windows in Westminster

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328385/Tuition-fee-protests-turn-violent-students-smash-windows-Westminster.html#ixzz14tfJ8uZV

[arista]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asifkhan/5163666447/

Video for ange7

[MTVN]

Yeah ..agree and said as much.
re Bristol students.....how did they protest? Did they burn a witch?

Eh, I dont get that :conf: Is it a dig at the Bristol students or something?

[arista]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asifkhan/5163666447/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asifkhan/5163734529/


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Thousands-Of-Students-Protest-In-London-Against-Tuition-Fees-And-Smash-Windows-And-Start-Fires/Article/201011215798223?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15798223_Thousands_Of_Students_Protest _In_London_Against_Tuition_Fees_And_Smash_Windows_ And_Start_Fires_

Videos for ange7

[arista]

Eh, I dont get that :conf: Is it a dig at the Bristol students or something?




Ange7 is not in the UK
his Down Under Jokes are not so good all the time

[MTVN]

Ange7 is not in the UK
his Down Under Jokes are not so good all the time

Ah right yeah just seen he's in Sydney, makes sense now :laugh:

[ange7]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asifkhan/5163666447/

Video for ange7
yeah... hardcore!

ummm I saw some people walk into a foyer. Most of the protesters were as meek as this.
I love how none of this thread has touched on what they are protesting about but instead on their behavior. Is it because you guys don't know or don't care?

[Judas]

Arista the points you are making are rubbish. You must remember this small 'anarchic' group is a minority - NOT THE MAJORITY.

Why should we pay more for our education?

How do you feel arista that your 'babe' David Cameron is saying today that tuiton fee's may be CHEAPER for international students? That includes the 'frogs'.

P.S I have read this forum for a while, hense I know most the debates political stance.

[ange7]

Ah right yeah just seen he's in Sydney, makes sense now :laugh:
awww you made my eyes rain.

[MTVN]

yeah... hardcore!

ummm I saw some people walk into a foyer. Most of the protesters were as meek as this.
I love how none of this thread has touched on what they are protesting about but instead on their behavior. Is it because you guys don't know or don't care?

That's because the cause has kind of been overshadowed by this violence, and the thread is about the protest, not the cause.

But I did give my view on the first page: University is an investment in your future career, you cant expect to have your studies paid for all your life, if the benefit you get from your degree does not outweigh the cost then dont go

[arista]

yeah... hardcore!

ummm I saw some people walk into a foyer. Most of the protesters were as meek as this.
I love how none of this thread has touched on what they are protesting about but instead on their behavior. Is it because you guys don't know or don't care?


Many do not have time for this Protest on here.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C00CDED000005DC-927_308x138.jpg
This is Ideal for FoxNews USA Ch.

[MTVN]

awww you made my eyes rain.

That wasnt meant as an insult lol, I was just saying that a lot of jokes you Aussies make about the UK go over my head a bit.

[Judas]

To add my views Ange7... I am currently a Student at Surrey, I wanted to go but (I know it's a slightly contradictory excuse) I had a important presentation I had to do that accounted for 30% of my module. However, I did promote it to try and get as many to go.

I am against the proposed increase in fees and cuts in the budget... it just isn't fair. I believe free education is a right... although I understand that is not possible. I do not believe it should be completly unfunded by the government, when billions are spent on what I see as unjustifiable spending like trident.

[arista]

Arista the points you are making are rubbish. You must remember this small 'anarchic' group is a minority - NOT THE MAJORITY.

Why should we pay more for our education?

How do you feel arista that your 'babe' David Cameron is saying today that tuiton fee's may be CHEAPER for international students? That includes the 'frogs'.

P.S I have read this forum for a while, hense I know most the debates political stance.


No I fully Understand that
a Live Debate of Students pn SkyNews HD
proved the Anger at the Criminal Action.

No one is my babe.

And it was Stinking New Labour
that started charging students.



Thank You for Posting/Joining Judas.
We need more posters like you

[Judas]

No I fully Understand that
a Live Debate of Students pn SkyNews HD
proved the Anger at the Criminal Action.

No one is my babe.

And it was Stinking New Labour
that started charging students.

Yes it was New Labour, but it isn't Labour that plan to make higher education more expensive. If anyone, I admire David Cameron for sticking to his party line. Nick Clegg is nothing but a Judas.

[arista]

Yes it was New Labour, but it isn't Labour that plan to make higher education more expensive. If anyone, I admire David Cameron for sticking to his party line. Nick Clegg is nothing but a Judas.


Yes Nick Clegg
is hated so much.

[Judas]

Wow, the police have certainly started to get more formulated, or alot of people are heading home from the 'active' demonstration feeling there point has been made.

[Tom]

Students should just go and get a proper job

Most are just a waste of time who only go for loans and to avoid getting a proper job. Daft protests like this don't help their cause or help them be taken more seriously

[Angus]

Most of these wasters only go to Uni to party and avoid having to do a decent day's work for three years. If they want to go to uni they should pay for it themselves - talk about a welfare mentality which has been lovingly fostered and encouraged by LABOUR, the very party that introduced the fees they're protesting about! (Seems some students are even thicker than I thought since they don't seem to understand this very simple fact).

How about students actually studying for a useful degree instead of some of the mickey mouse ones they leave with now and then wonder why nobody wants to employ them?

[Livia]

Arista the points you are making are rubbish. You must remember this small 'anarchic' group is a minority - NOT THE MAJORITY.

Why should we pay more for our education?

How do you feel arista that your 'babe' David Cameron is saying today that tuiton fee's may be CHEAPER for international students? That includes the 'frogs'.

P.S I have read this forum for a while, hense I know most the debates political stance.

Just to clear something up for you... the "Frogs" are members of the EU so do not pay overseas student fees. Current overseas student fees on some courses are several times what they are to home students.

If you want to go in to higher education, then do it. But don't expect other people to pay for it.

[ange7]

That's because the cause has kind of been overshadowed by this violence, and the thread is about the protest, not the cause.

But I did give my view on the first page: University is an investment in your future career, you cant expect to have your studies paid for all your life, if the benefit you get from your degree does not outweigh the cost then dont go
This is interesting. Some see education as an investment that an individual ought to make and then get a pay off for in the future.
Others ( lefties hehe) see education as a social investment since the whole society benefits. The uni students will not just be doctors and lawers etc they will be YOUR doctor etc. Tax payers today will benefit by investing in their own future since those that are trained will both serve the community AND pay bucket loads of tax once they are working.
You seem to think education should be a "user pays" model which promotes education just for the rich kids who's "daddies" are cashed up but denies those with the actual ability who may come from lower economic backgrounds.

[Judas]

If you want to go in to higher education, then do it. But don't expect other people to pay for it.

I don't expect others to pay for it - I think that would be just as unfair as the proposed system. But I do believe that we should have some investment - is it fair that I live in debt untill I am 60 because I wanted a further education?

I do not think that tuition fees should treble to £9000 a year, and if you think that is right you obviously have no idea of how any liberal-democracy like the one we live in functions. It just can't happen.

[Tom]

Most of these wasters only go to Uni to party and avoid having to do a decent day's work for three years. If they want to go to uni they should pay for it themselves - talk about a welfare mentality which has been lovingly fostered and encouraged by LABOUR, the very party that introduced the fees they're protesting about! (Seems some students are even thicker than I thought since they don't seem to understand this very simple fact).

How about students actually studying for a useful degree instead of some of the mickey mouse ones they leave with now and then wonder why nobody wants to employ them?

Qualifications don't help getting a job. They might help getting a job that isn't entry level or help you progress a little bit faster but subtract the three years and it probably works out about the same. there is no use whatsoever in getting a degree and not doing anything with it, as many do.

[ange7]

To add my views Ange7... I am currently a Student at Surrey, I wanted to go but (I know it's a slightly contradictory excuse) I had a important presentation I had to do that accounted for 30% of my module. However, I did promote it to try and get as many to go.

I am against the proposed increase in fees and cuts in the budget... it just isn't fair. I believe free education is a right... although I understand that is not possible. I do not believe it should be completly unfunded by the government, when billions are spent on what I see as unjustifiable spending like trident.

I wasn't having a go at you and glad you joined in. This thread was kind of missing the point when it rambled on about how they were protesting instead of why.
re: public education... most see it as a pipe dream and most countries have a mix of private and public uni education. I guess the issue in the UK with all the cuts to expenditure means that politicians are looking at making some short term saving today but by underfunding what is a massive public investment they are robbing themselves in the future.

[Tom]

I don't expect others to pay for it - I think that would be just as unfair as the proposed system. But I do believe that we should have some investment - is it fair that I live in debt untill I am 60 because I wanted a further education?

60 is more or less the end of your working life, you want a degree to supplement your working life. So yes it is fair considering how little you'll actually pay off your loan every month anyway. Why isn't it fair?

[ange7]

Most of these wasters only go to Uni to party and avoid having to do a decent day's work for three years. If they want to go to uni they should pay for it themselves - talk about a welfare mentality which has been lovingly fostered and encouraged by LABOUR, the very party that introduced the fees they're protesting about! (Seems some students are even thicker than I thought since they don't seem to understand this very simple fact).

How about students actually studying for a useful degree instead of some of the mickey mouse ones they leave with now and then wonder why nobody wants to employ them?
"Most of these wasters only go to Uni to party and avoid having to do a decent day's work for three years."
lol what a joke.
Uni isn't a cakewalk and if you ever saw the inside of one you'd know.
Wait let me guess... "university of life me!!"
yeah... that sound really hard to get into.

[MTVN]

This is interesting. Some see education as an investment that an individual ought to make and then get a pay off for in the future.
Others ( lefties hehe) see education as a social investment since the whole society benefits. The uni students will not just be doctors and lawers etc they will be YOUR doctor etc. Tax payers today will benefit by investing in their own future since those that are trained will both serve the community AND pay bucket loads of tax once they are working.
You seem to think education should be a "user pays" model which promotes education just for the rich kids who's "daddies" are cashed up but denies those with the actual ability who may come from lower economic backgrounds.

It is your decision to pursue education into university, it is your investment. The whole of society may benefit from some select degrees, I dont deny that. Students wont have to pay the money until after they've left and they're earning over £21,000, plus the Universities have to prove they're doing more to enable lower earners to get a degree if they choose to charge the full amount; something that has been forgotten. University shouldnt be for the richest, and no I do not think that, dont put words in my mouth.

[Judas]

Students should just go and get a proper job

Most are just a waste of time who only go for loans and to avoid getting a proper job. Daft protests like this don't help their cause or help them be taken more seriously

How on earth is this a daft protest? I suppose you think it is best to do (exactally what I am doing!) and just complain about injustices online? This is active politics - this is making a point about injustice in our country. I plan to work for what I have in life, but I can't afford to fund or pay for a £9000 a year education system. What counts as a proper job, working in Marks and Spencers as a Manager?

I would rather protest for fairness that have some dillusion that I am from some high middle class backround, above those that leave school at 16 or choose to enter higher education.

Qualifications don't help getting a job. They might help getting a job that isn't entry level or help you progress a little bit faster but subtract the three years and it probably works out about the same. there is no use whatsoever in getting a degree and not doing anything with it, as many do.

Of course qualifications help get a better job - Tom it seems you criticise any lifestyle choice but your own.

[arista]

Students should just go and get a proper job

Most are just a waste of time who only go for loans and to avoid getting a proper job. Daft protests like this don't help their cause or help them be taken more seriously


Very True
Tom.

[Angus]

Qualifications don't help getting a job. They might help getting a job that isn't entry level or help you progress a little bit faster but subtract the three years and it probably works out about the same. there is no use whatsoever in getting a degree and not doing anything with it, as many do.

This is my point exactly. However, if people want to spend three years studying then it should be at their own expense. It's their choice after all and if they further choose to study for useless degrees that's their problem.

[Judas]

Why isn't it fair?

Because I am PAYING for a job that I want -
In many cases this means greater responsibility -
In many cases this jobs benefits the whole of society - Law, Science, Maths, Medicine, Internation Relations - these all need additional knowledge to benefit SOCIETY.
These fields give money and help back to society - Therefore I think it is only fair some funding comes from society. As funding would go to Trident or Job Seekers Allowance.

Your view seems to adopt the thatcherite view that there is NO society.

[ange7]

60 is more or less the end of your working life, you want a degree to supplement your working life. So yes it is fair considering how little you'll actually pay off your loan every month anyway. Why isn't it fair?
It's not fair because
a) once they graduate and are earning they are paying bucket loads of more tax than if they sat at home watching Deal or know deal. Get it? The money tax payers pay to train them comes back in the first 10 years of their working life
b) It's an investment in the community... like health care, like early and secondary education. You want ALL users to ALWAYS pay? That's where the logic of your argument leads.
The issue is how do you see society? As a a group of individual who all looks out for number one... or as a community who all chip in for what's best for EVERYONE.

[MTVN]

How on earth is this a daft protest? I suppose you think it is best to do (exactally what I am doing!) and just complain about injustices online? This is active politics - this is making a point about injustice in our country. I plan to work for what I have in life, but I can't afford to fund or pay for a £9000 a year education system. What counts as a proper job, working in Marks and Spencers as a Manager?


I do think the violence is self-defeating though.

Go back a hundred years when woman were campaigning for the vote, the Suffragetts were out there planting bombs, starting fires etc; they did more harm than good to their cause, the same can be said here.

[ange7]

It is your decision to pursue education into university, it is your investment. The whole of society may benefit from some select degrees, I dont deny that. Students wont have to pay the money until after they've left and they're earning over £21,000, plus the Universities have to prove they're doing more to enable lower earners to get a degree if they choose to charge the full amount; something that has been forgotten. University shouldnt be for the richest, and no I do not think that, dont put words in my mouth.
lol
"dont put words in my mouth"
but you typed.
"it is your investment"
Yours words.... your mouth. Don't choke on them now.

[Livia]

I don't expect others to pay for it - I think that would be just as unfair as the proposed system. But I do believe that we should have some investment - is it fair that I live in debt untill I am 60 because I wanted a further education?

I do not think that tuition fees should treble to £9000 a year, and if you think that is right you obviously have no idea of how any liberal-democracy like the one we live in functions. It just can't happen.

Yes, I believe if you want go into higher education (or further education) then you should have to pay for it, and if it takes you until you're 60 to repay it, then so be it. Rather that than have someone on a really low wage paying for your degree through their taxes.

As for your final paragraph, what you're effectively saying is, if I don't agree with you then I don't understand the politics of my own country. I work in politics, so I do have a pretty good grounding in what democracy means.

[MTVN]

lol
"dont put words in my mouth"
but you typed.
"it is your investment"
Yours words.... your mouth. Don't choke on them now.

Those were my words, although I did not say that the system should "promote education just for the rich kids who's "daddies" are cashed up"

Not that hard to understand is it.

[ange7]

Very True
Tom.
"Students should just go and get a proper job"
instead of those "unproper" jobs you get when you complete a uni dgree.
mahahahah!
hilarious.
Are you missing deal or no deal Tom?

[Judas]

I do think the violence is self-defeating though.

Go back a hundred years when woman were campaigning for the vote, the Suffragetts were out there planting bombs, starting fires etc; they did more harm than good to their cause, the same can be said here.

Sorry, I obviously wasn't clear. I think the protest 'Demo' (the march) is perfect, and to some extent I feel that gathering at Milbank was good - I even thought up to the point where the fire was lit a good point was made. However, I do disagree in theory with the smashing of the windows and pursuing violence.

(Although it did make me feel a little bit happy to think about Nick Clegs reaction)

[BOOSH]

I'm a student and was actually going to go to this.
But, my university had planned to just march around, none of this crazy **** that has been going on.
Nothing wrong with protesting, I'm sorry but who the hell is going to afford 9 grand a year for uni? Harldy anyone from where I'm from.
So yeah ****ing protest against it!
But in a sensible way, now nothing is going to happen thanks to the people who have gone mental with it.

[Judas]

Rather that than have someone on a really low wage paying for your degree through their taxes.


It isn't though...the largest percent of tax income comes from GRADUATES, therefore you can't suggest the current system acts as the opposite of a Robin Hood scheme.

[MTVN]

The £9,000 figure is being thrown around a lot but how many Unis will actually charge that. Other than Oxbridge, I'd imagine it would be very few (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though)

[Scarlett.]

What a bunch of wasters

[ange7]

Those were my words, although I did not say that the system should "promote education just for the rich kids who's "daddies" are cashed up"

Not that hard to understand is it.
Apparently it is.
Those that can afford a user pays or pay as you go uni education will be rich not poor. Get it?
Instead of the the best and brightest getting a place at uni you get the richest...some of whom will be mongs with rich daddies. Get it?
Yes you did not "say" the system should "promote education just for the rich kids who's "daddies" are cashed up". You just argued for it.

[ange7]

What a bunch of wasters

What happened on Corrie today? You should tweet about it.

[MTVN]

Apparently it is.
Those that can afford a user pays or pay as you go uni education will be rich not poor. Get it?
Instead of the the best and brightest getting a place at uni you get the richest...some of whom will be mongs with rich daddies. Get it?
Yes you did not "say" the system should "promote education just for the rich kids who's "daddies" are cashed up". You just argued for it.

Not necessarily because as I said:

- Students dont have to pay the money back straight away, and wont have to until they're earning over £21,000 or something like that

- Any universities that do choose to charge the maximum figure has to prove they're doing more to allow lower earners to go to University.

[Scarlett.]

What happened on Corrie today? You should tweet about it.

I don't know I've been too busy working my 10 hour a day job for the past two weeks, no days off you see.

[arista]

What a bunch of wasters


Bang On Right
Chewy

[ange7]

I'm a student and was actually going to go to this.
But, my university had planned to just march around, none of this crazy **** that has been going on.
Nothing wrong with protesting, I'm sorry but who the hell is going to afford 9 grand a year for uni? Harldy anyone from where I'm from.
So yeah ****ing protest against it!
But in a sensible way, now nothing is going to happen thanks to the people who have gone mental with it.

"I'm sorry but who the hell is going to afford 9 grand a year for uni?"
Rich kids who get that as a monthly allowance... that's who. Imagine if all students came from cashed up families. They wouldn't even bother studing O levels since dad will buy them in. Uni would be full of cashed up mongs. That's how bad it could get if this idea of student paying for a degree continues down the path it's on.

We need the smartest at uni...from which ever background, not just the ones who can afford it.

[BOOSH]

"I'm sorry but who the hell is going to afford 9 grand a year for uni?"
Rich kids who get that as a monthly allowance... that's who. Imagine if all students came from cashed up families. They wouldn't even bother studing O levels since dad will buy them in. Uni would be full of cashed up mongs. That's how bad it could get if this idea of student paying for a degree continues down the path it's on.

We need the smartest at uni...from which ever background, not just the ones who can afford it.

I worked really hard for uni even if I am doing a Film & Media degree, which someone has already said isn't a "proper" degree, which is absolute bollocks.
I need, like so many others I'm in Uni with, for this not to go ahead.
What is the point of making it much more expensive than it already is.
Ohh so rich people can only get in?
This world has gone to ****.

[LemonJam]

I went, but I left when they started smashing windows and setting fire to ****. Now I doubt we'll be taken seriously. Sake.

[Shaun]

Absolute idiots. The ones wearing bandanas don't even look like the type that would qualify for Uni, other than a course in horse-grooming or something.

Unfortunately - they're going to destroy the integrity and message of the mature protestors. Or so the Government will say...

[arista]

I went, but I left when they started smashing windows and setting fire to ****. Now I doubt we'll be taken seriously. Sake.

Yes the NUS leader is angry
it went wrong.

[ange7]

Absolute idiots. The ones wearing bandanas don't even look like the type that would qualify for Uni, other than a course in horse-grooming or something.
domos like this attract all sorts but the peaceful protesters will be tarred with the same brush.

[arista]

Absolute idiots. The ones wearing bandanas don't even look like the type that would qualify for Uni, other than a course in horse-grooming or something.

Unfortunately - they're going to destroy the integrity and message of the mature protestors. Or so the Government will say...



Yes I think Every paper front page tomorrow
will have this Criminal part of it.

[MTVN]

Looks like it's calmed down a bit now anyway..

[_Seth]

They can't have all that swearing (fingers being stuck up) before 9..

[BOOSH]

Someone in a hoodie and a scarf on his face being taken away by police...

[arista]

Looks like it's calmed down a bit now anyway..


Yes the Bigger Amount of Riot Police
are holding the Criminal Students in the Lobby
waiting for the outside area to clear
as the Clear the others away.

[MTVN]

Someone in a hoodie and a scarf on his face being taken away by police...

I wonder how many people like him are even students.

[arista]

I wonder how many people like him are even students.


Many are students and by covering there face
they do not let there Family to shame.

[ange7]

I worked really hard for uni even if I am doing a Film & Media degree, which someone has already said isn't a "proper" degree, which is absolute bollocks.
I need, like so many others I'm in Uni with, for this not to go ahead.
What is the point of making it much more expensive than it already is.
Ohh so rich people can only get in?
This world has gone to ****.

yep well that's what a right wing system looks like. "user pays". You use it you should pay for it they argue. People agree with it because they have selfish "it's all about me" attitude and don't want to pay for what benefits society as a whole. These uni students won't get much sympathy from the wider community because they envy the fact that uni students managed to do what they never could... worked hard for a decent education. Asking them to pay for it is like rubbing salt in the wound. Truth is everyone benefits.... including and especially those from lower socio-economic background with kids who want to make a go of life instead of doing a crumby factory job and then watch TV all night.

[arista]

They can't have all that swearing (fingers being stuck up) before 9..



On News Ch's
they can.


A good Debate on this action
will be on Ch4 News at 7PM
tonight

[BOOSH]

Maybe they're just cold. I wear my hood and scarf in the winter :)

[MTVN]

Many are students and by covering there face
they do not let there Family to shame.

I find it surprising that these people who are supposedly so passionate about the chance to go to Uni have the time to take a day off from their studies and risk getting themselves arrested (I'm just talking about those partaking in violence btw)

Wouldnt surprise me if there's a lot of anarchists, or something like that, there causing some of the violence

yep well that's what a right wing system looks like. "user pays". You use it you should pay for it they argue. People agree with it because they have selfish "it's all about me" attitude and don't want to pay for what benefits society as a whole. These uni students won't get much sympathy from the wider community because they envy the fact that uni students managed to do what they never could... worked hard for a decent education. Asking them to pay for it is like rubbing salt in the wound. Truth is everyone benefits.... including and especially those from lower socio-economic background with kids who want to make a go of life instead of doing a crumby factory job and then watch TV all night.

A right wing system that was created by Labour?

[ange7]

I find it surprising that these people who are supposedly so passionate about the chance to go to Uni have the time to take a day off from their studies and risk getting themselves arrested (I'm just talking about those partaking in violence btw)

Wouldnt surprise me if there's a lot of anarchists, or something like that, there causing some of the violence



A right wing system that was created by Labour?

New labour was labour?

[MTVN]

New labour was labour?

Yes..

[ange7]

Yes..

ummmm no.
Thank you come again.
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/02/16/inside-hindu-apu.jpg

[Barbie]

Its getting cold, they will all get bored soon if they havent already

[ange7]

Its getting cold, they will all get bored soon if they havent already

because cold = bored?
what kind of a world is it?...and when is it fantastic?

[MTVN]

ummmm no.
Thank you come again.
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/02/16/inside-hindu-apu.jpg

And you think New Labour are right wing do you?

[arista]

ITV London Local News
confirmed around 30 Students arrested and being held
inside the Lobby
and will soon be charged.

[ange7]

And you think New Labour are right wing do you?

I think a user pays eduction system is. Kind of the whole point of the thread but there you go. Or are you arguing that every policy labour puts forward is automatically left wing? Sounds like you are. You know the sound on game shows when a contestant gets it wrong....think of that sound.

[BOOSH]

Hmmmm.. yeah they smashed windows and stuff but the way the news are saying it is as if they went around shooting people.

[ange7]

plastic

[arista]

Hmmmm.. yeah they smashed windows and stuff but the way the news are saying it is as if they went around shooting people.


Thugs attacking all those working there
is not what this Demo was about.


The Mayor of London just said
the Protest before this was good
and those Thigs will now face the full face of the Law.

[MTVN]

I think a user pays eduction system is. Kind of the whole point of the thread but there you go. Or are you arguing that every policy labour puts forward is automatically left wing? Sounds like you are. You know the sound on game shows when a contestant gets it wrong....think of that sound.

Nah I just think you should end your little obsession with the political spectrum, and your apparent need to bring it into the discussion. We are not having a pointless and petty discussion over which side of the spectrum we should categorise tuition fees.

Try reading the title again, it's about the protest, it's kind of the whole point of the thread but there you go..

[Kazanne]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289398608417/Protesting-students-gathe-006.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Nov/Week2/15799207.jpg

Live on all media.

I was watching on SkyNewsHD
and a Thug - Criminal -Student Lad smashed the thick window
in Millbank and then to my Horror
a Female Student rammed a Stick in it.

They don't deserve any help if that is the way they act,what a shame they have tarred the protest which started off peacefully.idiots.

[ange7]

Nah I just think you should end your little obsession with the political spectrum, and your apparent need to bring it into the discussion. We are not having a pointless and petty discussion over which side of the spectrum we should categorise tuition fees.

Try reading the title again, it's about the protest, it's kind of the whole point of the thread but there you go..
lol... so it's not about politics?
your saying
"please stop talking politics!!" is that right? wow!
So it's about "the preotesters".
What do you want to talk about... their dress sense? Everything that revolves around government policy is politics....including this.
"We are not having a pointless and petty discussion over which side of the spectrum we should categorise tuition fees."
this was your point not mine. It's generally agreed that a user pays system is a right wing model. Your the only one on the planet arguing it ain't.

[Barbie]

because cold = bored?
what kind of a world is it?...and when is it fantastic?

i meant a mixture of the 2 not cold=bored lol!

[MTVN]

lol... so it's not about politics?
your saying
"please stop talking politics!!" is that right? wow!
So it's about "the preotesters".
What do you want to talk about... their dress sense? Everything that revolves around government policy is politics....including this.
"We are not having a pointless and petty discussion over which side of the spectrum we should categorise tuition fees."
this was your point not mine. It's generally agreed that a user pays system is a right wing model. Your the only one on the planet arguing it ain't.

I'm talking about your insistence to bring a political spectrum into everything. A spectrum which, in reality, means very little and it is pretty pointless categorising every single thing into "right" or "left".

I want to talk about what's happening at the protest, and the effect the violence will have on their cause, whether the current fees system is "right-wing" or not is irrelevant.

And yes, that is what I said but it is your point, it was you who decided to bring the political spectrum into a discussion on a protest which turned violent. Obviously politics is a part of what happened today but you were just trying to label the system in what you consider to be a derogatory manner which is pointless

[Judas]

What a bunch of wasters

LOL. Who is this view aimed at? MOST of the people on that march had drive and enthuasism - well done for getting your 10 hour a day job (that is meant honestly) but I fail to see how you can call people wasters for going on to further education.

[Beastie]

I do think it's a lot of money paying 9 grand a year to do a degree course. Therefore it will cost you 27 grand when you have finished the course. (This is on average)

I don't blame the protesters. However suppose there are plenty of people at uni who should not be there. However it is so hard to get a job. I would have gone to university if I couldn't find a job which I was really lucky to get.

It is a lose lose situation!

[ange7]

I'm talking about your insistence to bring a political spectrum into everything. A spectrum which, in reality, means very little and it is pretty pointless categorising every single thing into "right" or "left".

I want to talk about what's happening at the protest, and the effect the violence will have on their cause, whether the current fees system is "right-wing" or not is irrelevant.

And yes, that is what I said but it is your point, it was you who decided to bring the political spectrum into a discussion on a protest which turned violent. Obviously politics is a part of what happened today but you were just trying to label the system in what you consider to be a derogatory manner which is pointless

on reflection everything you have said here is correct. I'm such a mong... please forgive me? This thread should be retitled "what MTVN wants to talk about".
snnnnaps! :P

[ange7]

LOL. Who is this view aimed at? MOST of the people on that march and drive and enthuasism - well done for getting your 10 hour a day job (that is meant honestly) but I fail to see how you can call people wasters for going on to further education.
It's aimed at people who don't work in a factory 10 hours a day who he resents bitterly. hehe

[Beastie]

It's aimed at people who don't work in a factory 10 hours a day who he resents bitterly. hehe

I work in a warehouse. lol

However my shifts change. When work dries up I was only working there 2 days a week and I hope that doesn't happen again.

I feel sorry for our generation!

[Judas]

[QUOTE=arista;3904470]Thugs attacking all those working there
is not what this Demo was about.

[QUOTE]
Slightly off topic, but out of interest arista what are your views on the tuition fee increase?

[MTVN]

on reflection everything you have said here is correct. I'm such a mong... please forgive me? This thread should be retitled "what MTVN wants to talk about".
snnnnaps! :P

I would like that.

[ange7]

I do think it's a lot of money paying 9 grand a year to do a degree course. Therefore it will cost you 27 grand when you have finished the course. (This is on average)

I don't blame the protesters. However suppose there are plenty of people at uni who should not be there. However it is so hard to get a job. I would have gone to university if I couldn't find a job which I was really lucky to get.

It is a lose lose situation!

getting your voice heard is a win situation. A life full of apathy and regrets is a lose situation. I life where you resent the fact that your tax dollars are helping kids getting an education is a lose lose situation. Wishing that student pay for a uni education and thereby ensuring only the wealthiest kids get that education is, on a broader social level, a lose to the power of lose situation.

[ange7]

I would like that.

"the internet says no"
http://befanina.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/carol-beer-computer-says-no1.jpg

[Angus]

I do think it's a lot of money paying 9 grand a year to do a degree course. Therefore it will cost you 27 grand when you have finished the course. (This is on average)

I don't blame the protesters. However suppose there are plenty of people at uni who should not be there. However it is so hard to get a job. I would have gone to university if I couldn't find a job which I was really lucky to get.

It is a lose lose situation!

If students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime, so it is up to the students concerned not to waste their time (and money) studying useless and pointless subjects for degrees that no employer wants. If they persist in doing so, for whatever reasons (usually because it's a soft option) that's their tough luck.

[ange7]

If students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime, so it is up to the students concerned not to waste their time (and money) studying useless and pointless subjects for degrees that no employer wants. If they persist in doing so, for whatever reasons (usually because it's a soft option) that's their tough luck.
"f students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime"

and therefore paying buckets loads of tax AND providing services that society need. The tax that they will pay far outweighs the cost of the education. Tax payer wins...what are you moaning about? This point has been already made. Please read the post before making old points.

[Beastie]

If students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime, so it is up to the students concerned not to waste their time (and money) studying useless and pointless subjects for degrees that no employer wants. If they persist in doing so, for whatever reasons (usually because it's a soft option) that's their tough luck.

True. They said Students who study "Art" won't be earning much in the long run or something? But if you study something like "Maths" you will possibly earn a lot of money! Depending on your degree grade. If you just scrape a 2:2 or something you will be struggling to find a decent paid job when another graduate with a 2:1 or a 1st will be competing for the same job too!

However if you are good at Art you might as well be self employed. Draw and paint your own pictures/canvases and sell them off. You could end up earning a few hundered quid for each one.

However Angus.. If people don't choose to go to uni.. they will try and find a job in which there is limited amount of jobs going. There is also limited amount of apprentices going nowadays.

Also on the worthwhile degree courses they can only take so many people!

A lot of people are going to miss out and will end up on the dole taking ages to try and find a job or something!

[arista]

"but out of interest arista what are your views on the tuition fee increase? "

There is no other way
and the poor are not paying that much.

Labour , if in power, would carry on with Trident
so no other money is there.

[arista]

Ch4 News is on now

[Judas]

"but out of interest arista what are your views on the tuition fee increase? "

There is no other way
and the poor are not paying that much.

Labour , if in power, would carry on with Trident
so no other money is there.

Sticking to party line I see! The money is there though... the current system can be afforded, even if the Cons do what to get rid of the deficit as soon as they plan.

[arista]

SkyNews just confirmed 32 students arrested.

[Beso]

Smash the system!

[arista]

Sticking to party line I see! The money is there though... the current system can be afforded, even if the Cons do what to get rid of the deficit as soon as they plan.


We are in a Conservative-LibDem Power , first off.
And under current plans to rid us of the massive Labour Debt
and Interest we have to pay on it, there is no other way.

Nick Clegg &
David Cameron are doing better for us all.


You do not know it yet.

[arista]

Smash the system!


Yes - But you need Men for that.
Not Kids

[Angus]

True. They said Students who study "Art" won't be earning much in the long run or something? But if you study something like "Maths" you will possibly earn a lot of money! Depending on your degree grade. If you just scrape a 2:2 or something you will be struggling to find a decent paid job when another graduate with a 2:1 or a 1st will be competing for the same job too!

However if you are good at Art you might as well be self employed. Draw and paint your own pictures/canvases and sell them off. You could end up earning a few hundered quid for each one.

However Angus.. If people don't choose to go to uni.. they will try and find a job in which there is limited amount of jobs going. There is also limited amount of apprentices going nowadays.

Also on the worthwhile degree courses they can only take so many people!

A lot of people are going to miss out and will end up on the dole taking ages to try and find a job or something!

As I said on another thread, my 21 year old son is streets ahead on the career ladder, having opted NOT to go to uni after his A levels, and most of his mates who have recently graduated are still unemployed. Seems that sometimes the university of life is a much better option.

[Angus]

Yes - But you need Men for that.
Not Kids

Never a truer word. Where do these students get their misplaced sense of entitlement from FFS? It's always someone else who is expected to pick up the tab. Not a good idea to get yourself a criminal record before you've even got your degree:rolleyes:

[arista]

Well Done Ch4 News Live
telling the NUS Leader Porter, in the studio,
that No Student Pays Up Front.

[Judas]

Well Done Ch4 News Live
telling the NUS Leader Porter, in the studio,
that No Student Pays Up Front.

No, instead we pay for 60 years for trying to better ourselves and generally give back to society.

[Barbie]

As I said on another thread, my 21 year old son is streets ahead on the career ladder, having opted NOT to go to uni after his A levels, and most of his mates who have recently graduated are still unemployed. Seems that sometimes the university of life is a lot a much better option.

I think it is a better option, i decided to go to uni, but i know loads of graduates who don't have a job or are in a dead end job. Whereas in a year one of my friends is now a manager at a retail store and ready to be promoted further up the chain. Her life is pretty much set now, whereas mine is still in limbo. Considering leaving uni and going out into the world of work.

[Angus]

No, instead we pay for 60 years for trying to better ourselves and generally give back to society.

It is really arrogant to suggest that only people with degrees "give back to society" - there are plenty of hardworking, contributing citizens who are indispensible to society who either never had the opportunity to go to university, or prudently decided not to do so and instead go straight out to work.

[arista]

No, instead we pay for 60 years for trying to better ourselves and generally give back to society.


Not everyone is paing back for 60years
not everyone will be earning 21K.

You are so Negative.


You are in a Great Nation.

In China , for example ,
you could not even talk in a Free way.

[Judas]

It is really arrogant to suggest that only people with degrees "give back to society" - there are plenty of hardworking, contributing citizens who are indispensible to society who either never had the opportunity to go to university, or prudently decided not to do so and instead go straight out to work.

Sorry, I hope it didn't come across that I was ignoring the fact your made. But I also think it is really ignorant to see students/graduates as scroungers who go into education to party for three years. It is work to you know.

[arista]

Judas
do you have a View on the Ex-Labour
trouble maker
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3903694#post3903694

Nothing to do with this,
but I thought your viewpoint would be valid,
if you have the time.

[Angus]

Sorry, I hope it didn't come across that I was ignoring the fact your made. But I also think it is really ignorant to see students/graduates as scroungers who go into education to party for three years. It is work to you know.


It is not necessary to go to university in order to better yourself - I never had the option to go when I left school, my family were not well off and I felt the need to contribute to their finances so I went out to work, straight after my O'levels. I trained on the job and was earning a good salary by the time I was 21. I then took a few years out to travel, which was in itself educational, since I acquired a couple of languages fluently in the process, as well as broadening my mind, attitudes, opinions etc.

Then when my children were small, I started studying with the Open University and ended up eventually with a BA(Hons), a BSc(Hons) a PGCE (Primary) and several diplomas, all achieved whilst also holding down a full time job as a legal executive, (trained on the job), and caring for my family. So you see, you can better yourself whenever you want if you have the commitment and drive to do so, without expecting others to fund YOUR choice to go into further education.

Furthermore, this obsession with academic qualifications is unhealthy, since some people are more suited to practical, hands on work and there should be more apprenticeships to fill the need for electricians, plumbers, construction workers etc.

[Scarlett.]

LOL. Who is this view aimed at? MOST of the people on that march had drive and enthuasism - well done for getting your 10 hour a day job (that is meant honestly) but I fail to see how you can call people wasters for going on to further education.

I'm talking about the ones rioting at the demonstrations, they're the sort of people who go for the alcohol and parties, of course there is people who actually study, and probably are the ones who actually don't make too much of a fuss

[Tom]

Because I am PAYING for a job that I want -
In many cases this means greater responsibility -
In many cases this jobs benefits the whole of society - Law, Science, Maths, Medicine, Internation Relations - these all need additional knowledge to benefit SOCIETY.
These fields give money and help back to society - Therefore I think it is only fair some funding comes from society. As funding would go to Trident or Job Seekers Allowance.

Your view seems to adopt the thatcherite view that there is NO society.

Good. People undervalue education and take it for granted. Its about time people realised the worth of what they're doing or what they want to do.

How on earth is this a daft protest? I suppose you think it is best to do (exactally what I am doing!) and just complain about injustices online? This is active politics - this is making a point about injustice in our country. I plan to work for what I have in life, but I can't afford to fund or pay for a £9000 a year education system. What counts as a proper job, working in Marks and Spencers as a Manager?

I would rather protest for fairness that have some dillusion that I am from some high middle class backround, above those that leave school at 16 or choose to enter higher education.

Of course qualifications help get a better job - Tom it seems you criticise any lifestyle choice but your own.

Because smashing windows and climbing onto the roof of Millbank Tower is exactly the right message to be sending out about students. I can't wait until these people are practicing barristers in the Crown Courts. Qualifications only get you so far. Whats the point in getting a degree in Psychology or Law and then going to work in a call centre like loads of graduates do? Most degrees are becoming worthless because they're becoming standard. These price hikes are going to give them some value again because people will only go if they have to. Unless going into a job in a specific field that has been studied in, a graduate is in no better position than a college leaver in terms of full time work.

It's not fair because
a) once they graduate and are earning they are paying bucket loads of more tax than if they sat at home watching Deal or know deal. Get it? The money tax payers pay to train them comes back in the first 10 years of their working life
b) It's an investment in the community... like health care, like early and secondary education. You want ALL users to ALWAYS pay? That's where the logic of your argument leads.
The issue is how do you see society? As a a group of individual who all looks out for number one... or as a community who all chip in for what's best for EVERYONE.

I don't have a problem if people actually want to do something with their degree but people who go for the sake of it or because its expected are just a pointless waste of money and resources. Besides, student loans are paid back at pennies per week when you earn over a certain threshold, its not bank breaking stuff, most people don't even notice its gone from their wages. I don't watch Deal or No Deal either thanks, I've got a full time job and I'm studying for a degree that I plan to do something with. I pay for mine in full because its with OU, I won't be graduating with any debt and i'm more than happy to pay because its in the field I want to work in.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Nov/Week2/15799576.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Nov/Week2/15799587.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Nov/Week2/15799596.jpg

Its a Full House of Front page images
The First 3 so far.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Nov/Week2/15799667.jpg

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[Beso]

Never a truer word. Where do these students get their misplaced sense of entitlement from FFS? It's always someone else who is expected to pick up the tab. Not a good idea to get yourself a criminal record before you've even got your degree:rolleyes:




I blame that alan davies programme about him growing up in the 80's

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C00D6C9000005DC-687_634x414.jpg


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Two Female Officers who got battered

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Kids on the Roof and able to murder.

[Benjamin]

Half of these students are just in the protest for something to do. The way they are acting is ridiculous, no wonder people are not taking them seriously. These are supposed to be our future lawyers, doctors, teachers etc and they act like this. Very professional...

[Angus]

A bunch of brainless, selfish, arrogant, VIOLENT twats - welcome to the future of Britain:rolleyes:

[arista]

Half of these students are just in the protest for something to do. The way they are acting is ridiculous, no wonder people are not taking them seriously. These are supposed to be our future lawyers, doctors, teachers etc and they act like this. Very professional...



Bang On Right.

[Livia]

I've been speaking this morning to some of the people who work in Millbank Tower. They've been telling me how bloody terrifying it was yesterday. A lot of the ordinary firms who have offices in Millbank were invaded and their staff abused; you can't actually get into Conservative HQ - it's fortified against terrorists so *****wit students had no chance.

I hope every "student" who threw something, spat at a copper, broke a window or was involved in violence of any kind is prosecuted with the full force of the law. That'll look good on their CV alongside their 2:2 degree.

[Kazanne]

Why should England tremble when we have arseholes like this to take care of the future!!! they should put the fees UP now to pay for the mindless damage they have done.

[MTVN]

A couple of people I know were arrested yesterday, I wasnt too surprised when I heard they always had been quite militant anarchist types.

[Legend killer]

PMSL if u have seen the news my m8 is the one the window falls on

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/11/article-1328665-0C00F16E000005DC-402_634x388.jpg
Cheeky Git he has a police hat on.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/11/article-1328665-0C013AD6000005DC-527_306x423.jpg
Shocked Police Woman had to use Gaffa tape on her wounds.

[Angus]

PMSL if u have seen the news my m8 is the one the window falls on

Let's hope the police arrest him soon then, as he should be easily identifiable.

[Angus]

I've been speaking this morning to some of the people who work in Millbank Tower. They've been telling me how bloody terrifying it was yesterday. A lot of the ordinary firms who have offices in Millbank were invaded and their staff abused; you can't actually get into Conservative HQ - it's fortified against terrorists so *****wit students had no chance.

I hope every "student" who threw something, spat at a copper, broke a window or was involved in violence of any kind is prosecuted with the full force of the law. That'll look good on their CV alongside their 2:2 degree.

Agree, especially those with a degree in media studies or some such twaddle. Just what this country needs:rolleyes:

[Legend killer]

Let's hope the police arrest him soon then, as he should be easily identifiable.

:nono: He is a top guy , things just got out of hand lol

[MTVN]

:nono: He is a top guy , things just got out of hand lol

I dont care is he is "a top guy", he still broke the law.

[arista]

ITV London News
has found out that some NUS members
destroyed the pre-planned agreement.

So It was Kids with Older Teacher Union helpers.

That police Lady in the photo (I posted with the gaffa tape on her wounds)
was on the Video report
she was falling all over the place - before a
Special Police Officer saved her.

[Legend killer]

[QUOTE=MTVN;3906383]I dont care is he is "a top guy", he still broke the law.[/QUOTE

PMSL he's having some personal problems atm , so i would like it if you tried to show a bit of compassion for your fellow human being

[bbfan1991]

I could have gone to this but refused, glad I did now:):laugh:.

[MTVN]

PMSL he's having some personal problems atm , so i would like it if you tried to show a bit of compassion for your fellow human being

He could have shown some common sense and used his brain but he didnt. As I said I know two people who were caught by the police, one of whom I get along quite well with although I'm not really friends with him or anything like that, but I still think it's only right that he was arrested. What do you expect if you take part in rioting.

[Tom4784]

It's disgusting behavior really, It's basically destroyed any credibility for the people that wanted to protest properly really and has put paid to any positive effects that could have come from a peaceful protest. It's another case of the few idiots ruining it for everyone else.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=MTVN;3906383]I dont care is he is "a top guy", he still broke the law.[/QUOTE

PMSL he's having some personal problems atm , so i would like it if you tried to show a bit of compassion for your fellow human being


He showed zero compassion for his fellow human beings, many of whom felt threatened and terrorised by the out of control rabble, and he WILL be arrested since he was caught on camera. Serves him right.

[Benjamin]

:nono: He is a top guy , things just got out of hand lol

Clearly he isn't a top guy. He acted like a first class moron. Maybe that's what his degree is in?

Hope he gets prosecuted for his disgraceful and idiotic behaviour.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/10/article-1328385-0C00DF11000005DC-691_306x423.jpg

A Student with a Hammer in his hand.


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[arista]

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Here is a Report from Russia News.

[arista]

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[arista]

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Well planned: University lecturer Luke Cooper claimed
the riot was organised beforehand, and said
that any number of Government buildings
were legitimate targets



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Schoolboy protestor: Lewis Evans, 17,
hurls a chair through the glass frontage of
Tory HQ. He claimed he was only
exercising his right to protest against the government



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Lifelong student: Clare Solomon is currently
on a sabbatical from her job and has
developed quite a taste for university positions

She was also on bbc Newsnight on the same day.




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Weapon of choice: Tanzil Chowdhury shows off the cricket bat he stole.
He claimed the Coalition needed
to take students more seriously - and the riot helped to show this.

a Future Possible Lawyer

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328920/TUITION-FEES-PROTEST-Hardcore-leaders-student-mob-unmasked.html#ixzz154LG5X00

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=MTVN;3906383]I dont care is he is "a top guy", he still broke the law.[/QUOTE

PMSL he's having some personal problems atm , so i would like it if you tried to show a bit of compassion for your fellow human being

What?like HE showed for people caught up in this!!!

[BB_Eye]

To be honest, I don't blame them for rioting. When politicians stop listening to protestors and put lobbying organisations first, they should expect some degree of civil unrest.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/11/article-1328920-0C07D3C4000005DC-353_634x385.jpg

Miss Soloman was just on ITVLondon News
she said Nov 24th will be the next protest
and she said 'Within The Law.'
Clever she said that so when it gets Evil they can never blame her
the Lazy Mature Student.

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289413711263/Student-or-drug-dealer-pl-044.jpg

No Son it is not.
You Roll Your Own Dice.
Take it like a Man.


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289412957764/Need-Money-for-Beer---a-p-036.jpg
Now Look here you Punk
you do not need 'Beer Money"
Take It like a Man.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289412960202/A-student-makes-her-opini-038.jpg
Yes they make great Shortbread up there
you will love it.
Good Luck hon.

[Josy]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289412960202/A-student-makes-her-opini-038.jpg
Yes they make great Shortbread up there
you will love it.
Good Luck hon.

:laugh3:

[Danielle1232]

Aw that just cos they canny aford ti go ti college nd read books or summat,mongs.

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289413163961/Students-including-one-dr-040.jpg

Thats the Spirit Kids
make a movie out of it.


Feel The Force.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/15/article-1329935-0C1592C1000005DC-693_306x423.jpg
Wanted by Police
he threw the fire extinguisher during the tuition fees protest.

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/12/article-1329132-0C0BC13F000005DC-153_634x335.jpg

The Link has the video of him
doing the Evil Crime.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1329935/Face-protestor-threw-extingisher-police-student-fees-riot.html#ixzz15OViQefz

[GypsyGoth]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/15/article-1329935-0C1592C1000005DC-693_306x423.jpg
Wanted by Police
he threw the fire extinguisher during the tuition fees protest.


They should easily find him with that pic.

[MTVN]

Hope he gets done for attempted murder