Refusing to vote is NOT NEW!

[cub]

Cheryl's decision not to vote off one of the acts from her category is not unprecedented

Wikipedia:

Osbourne's walkout
During the results of the first live show on 20 October, judge Osbourne walked away from the panel after it was revealed that both the bottom two acts came from her category. This left the three remaining judges (Cowell, Minogue and Walsh) to decide which of the bottom two would leave the contest. When presenter Dermot O'Leary asked Osbourne for her vote she claimed to have left the show, saying, "I'm out—gone". It later emerged that Osbourne was dissatisfied with the last-minute rescheduling of the programme from 17:45 to 17:30, claiming that fewer people saw the performance of her act, Kimberley Southwick, as she was first on stage. After a considerable amount of media coverage, including Paul O'Grady apparently convincing Osbourne to return live on his chat show, it was confirmed on 23 October by Osbourne's spokesman that the judge would return to the show. A newspaper source explained that leaving prematurely would have been breach of contract and the legal repercussions would have made it in Osbourne's interests to return to the panel.

[dannyboy]

Indeed. I was wondering why everyone was acting as if this had never happened before when it had!

[Niamh.]

So it happened once before? So what? Doesn't make it any more right or acceptable

[Vicky.]

Yeah, so it happened once years ago.

What has happened since then has been that judges with 2 acts in the bottom have voted last, so the deadlock option is there. Its just very suspicious as to why do it again now after years of it being different :spin:

[Niamh.]

Yeah, so it happened once years ago.

What has happened since then has been that judges with 2 acts in the bottom have voted last, so the deadlock option is there. Its just very suspicious as to why do it again now after years of it being different :spin:

also, back then would I be right in saying that there were only 3 judges? If so then it's not the same situation at all

[Tom4784]

It also happened in the first X Factor, Sharon had two acts in the bottom 2 and she refused to vote.

[Vicky.]

also, back then would I be right in saying that there were only 3 judges? If so then it's not the same situation at all

Nah there were 4 judges then

[Niamh.]

Nah there were 4 judges then

oh right. Anyway, I don't see why people have such a big issue with them just clarifying things for us? Make a rule and stick with and then no one has any grounds to complain about it

[Vicky.]

oh right. Anyway, I don't see why people have such a big issue with them just clarifying things for us? Make a rule and stick with and then no one has any grounds to complain about it

Well yeah, this is the thing.

They shouldnt be able to just pick and chose when and who they do this to.

Either the judge with 2 has to vote before last, or they can wait until last to take it to deadlock. Its unfair if it depends which acts/judges are bottom

[nanaimo]

Cheryl was still asked second and no one can deny that, thats the problem

[Niamh.]

Cheryl was still asked second and no one can deny that, thats the problem

Yeah exactly, just stick to a rule and let us know what that rule is, it's not too much to ask, is it?

[Adamw92]

I feel so sorry for Cheryl, people are just looking for a reason to hate her lately, I'll admit she's pissed me off a few times this series but either way she'd come out of sunday looking like a bitch because if she chose between Treyc and Katie she'd be called on for favouring one over the other, she should have been asked last and then we'd have a 2-2 vote and it would be fair because both girls would have had a chance of staying, you can't expect her to pick between 2 of her own acts and choose to eliminate one that might end up surviving the sing-off and then have to work with her the next week.

[Niamh.]

I feel so sorry for Cheryl, people are just looking for a reason to hate her lately, I'll admit she's pissed me off a few times this series but either way she'd come out of sunday looking like a bitch because if she chose between Treyc and Katie she'd be called on for favouring one over the other, she should have been asked last and then we'd have a 2-2 vote and it would be fair because both girls would have had a chance of staying, you can't expect her to pick between 2 of her own acts and choose to eliminate one that might end up surviving the sing-off and then have to work with her the next week.

I think there are only a small portion of people actually blaming Cheryl, most from what I've seen, blame whoever told Dermot to go to her second

[Adamw92]

I think there are only a small portion of people actually blaming Cheryl, most from what I've seen, blame whoever told Dermot to go to her second

Well apparently 4000 people voted in a poll with about 2800 saying she deserved to be sacked for not voting, some people are so ridiculous

[Niamh.]

Well apparently 4000 people voted in a poll with about 2800 saying she deserved to be sacked for not voting, some people are so ridiculous

oh really? I don't particularly like Cheryl but it was unfair to put her in that position when only a couple of weeks previous, Simon was there and they let him go last

[Adamw92]

oh really? I don't particularly like Cheryl but it was unfair to put her in that position when only a couple of weeks previous, Simon was there and they let him go last

Exactly, it was cruel to Cheryl but in the long run it was Treyc who got screwed, I think some people may boo Katie this week, I wonder if any other judge gets put in that position, if they'll be asked second? probably not.

[Jack_]

This is the point I've been trying to make all week - and it's funny, because there were never any complaints the first time it happened. And you'd think, after all, that's when people would complain? Funny that, isn't it? Funny how no one complains when no one cares about the acts in the Bottom Two? But when it's an act that people want to get rid of, they complain. How odd...

[Niamh.]

This is the point I've been trying to make all week - and it's funny, because there were never any complaints the first time it happened. And you'd think, after all, that's when people would complain? Funny that, isn't it? Funny how no one complains when no one cares about the acts in the Bottom Two? But when it's an act that people want to get rid of, they complain. How odd...

so you don't think making it clear is a good idea then?

[Jack_]

so you don't think making it clear is a good idea then?

Where did I say that? I've never said it's not a good idea, though I believe there are/were rules in place that the public didn't know about, and to be quite honest, didn't need to know about. They're just precautionary measures. You can't expect Dermot to read the full T&C's of the Judges vote every single Sunday just to please a few obsessive complainers that are desperately trying to look for ways to moan becuase Katie didn't go/hasn't gone yet. At the end of the day, my point was - none of this moaning /suggestions to make it 'clear' would've occured [like in Series 4, when no moaning occured] if Katie had gone/was another two acts in the Bottom Two.

[Tom4784]

This is the point I've been trying to make all week - and it's funny, because there were never any complaints the first time it happened. And you'd think, after all, that's when people would complain? Funny that, isn't it? Funny how no one complains when no one cares about the acts in the Bottom Two? But when it's an act that people want to get rid of, they complain. How odd...

They only hate the system when it doesn't benefit them. I've been saying it all week, people always turn a blind eye when it's people they don't care about.

[Jack_]

They only hate the system when it doesn't benefit them. I've been saying it all week, people always turn a blind eye when it's people they don't care about.

Exactly. It's outstanding, really, and so transparent...

[Niamh.]

Where did I say that? I've never said it's not a good idea, though I believe there are/were rules in place that the public didn't know about, and to be quite honest, didn't need to know about. They're just precautionary measures. You can't expect Dermot to read the full T&C's of the Judges vote every single Sunday just to please a few obsessive complainers that are desperately trying to look for ways to moan becuase Katie didn't go/hasn't gone yet. At the end of the day, my point was - none of this moaning /suggestions to make it 'clear' would've occured [like in Series 4, when no moaning occured] if Katie had gone/was another two acts in the Bottom Two.

I didn't say you did, it was a question, hence the question mark at the end of the sentence. No I don't expect Dermot to read out all the terms and conditions but since this has caused some annoyance with the viewers(essentially the people who pay his wages) then I don't see what harm making it clear about what would happen in the future if the same scenario occurred, would do, do you?

[Mystic Mock]

This is the point I've been trying to make all week - and it's funny, because there were never any complaints the first time it happened. And you'd think, after all, that's when people would complain? Funny that, isn't it? Funny how no one complains when no one cares about the acts in the Bottom Two? But when it's an act that people want to get rid of, they complain. How odd...

actually people complained about the time change which made kimberley hit the bottom two.

[Tom4784]

Exactly. It's outstanding, really, and so transparent...

It's what annoys me really, it's completely hypocritical. Ayone with a bit of sense knows that nothing can be trusted as real on the X Factor as situations are often manipulated to create good or tense TV moments. People love it though until they get a result they don't want. I'm not a fan of black and white definitions but you either ignore the system or dislike it, you can't flick and switch every week.

Or what I prefer to do, is not taking it seriously as it's only a TV show and I'll hate all the contestants after Christmas anyway :laugh:.

[Jack_]

I didn't say you did, it was a question, hence the question mark at the end of the sentence. No I don't expect Dermot to read out all the terms and conditions but since this has caused some annoyance with the viewers(essentially the people who pay his wages) then I don't see what harm making it clear about what would happen in the future if the same scenario occurred, would do, do you?

But I don't really see the point, because had two other acts been in the Bottom Two, or had Katie already left the show, no one would've even batted an eyelid. The only reason there's a fuss is because Katie stayed. So why should they have to pander to some obssesive, scrutinizing Katie haters wishes?

[Jack_]

actually people complained about the time change which made kimberley hit the bottom two.

No, that was Sharon. I don't recall anyone else complaining [apart from a few, and I mean few fans on forums].

And even if they had - they can't have cared that much or else they'd have complained about Sharon refusing to vote - because, after all - it's the Judges vote that sent her home, not her 'landing in the Bottom Two'. That was my point.

[Niamh.]

But I don't really see the point, because had two other acts been in the Bottom Two, or had Katie already left the show, no one would've even batted an eyelid. The only reason there's a fuss is because Katie stayed. So why should they have to pander to some obssesive, scrutinizing Katie haters wishes?

The point would be, that their viewers, you know those people who give them all their money, would be happier. I don't see what your issue is with getting some clarification on one rule tbh

And people are annoyed not because they're obsessive Katie haters but because of the sing off, where one act messed up their song and the other sang perfectly.

[Mystic Mock]

No, that was Sharon. I don't recall anyone else complaining [apart from a few, and I mean few fans on forums].

And even if they had - they can't have cared that much or else they'd have complained about Sharon refusing to vote - because, after all - it's the Judges vote that sent her home, not her 'landing in the Bottom Two'. That was my point.

sharon osbourne is very ott,anyway i remember there was rumours of them going to bring kimberley back for week 2 because of the complaints about the time change which knocked her into the bottom two.

[BB_Eye]

I don't get why people are sending in complaints. We all know the judges make some retarded decisions, but I just can't fathom how it could annoy somebody to the point where they feel obliged to take their grievances to the broadcaster, or worse, a regulator.

There is no rule that states which contestants the judges should pick. I don't agree with a lot of decisions Cheryl has made and I'm not exactly her biggest fan, but all the immature hate for her is staggering.

[Mystic Mock]

The point would be, that their viewers, you know those people who give them all their money, would be happier. I don't see what your issue is with getting some clarification on one rule is tbh

And people are annoyed not because they're obsessive Katie haters but because of the sing off, where one act messed up their song and the other sang perfectly.

well here is another thing katie sang **** in her sing off performance plus forgetting her words,how can anybody think thats fair of the judges then to keep katie in over treyc? otherwise they should have kept john adeleye in week 3 then if thats the case.

[Vicky.]

I dont see what peoples problems are with getting clarification that IF this happened again, the same thing would be done.

[Jack_]

The point would be, that their viewers, you know those people who give them all their money, would be happier. I don't see what your issue is with getting some clarification on one rule tbh

And people are annoyed not because they're obsessive Katie haters but because of the sing off, where one act messed up their song and the other sang perfectly.


If they don't like it then they should just not watch. I very much doubt a few thousand people [or even a hundred thousand people] is going to matter at all to them. When they have 16 million viewers - it really doesn't matter. And, really, no matter how many people say 'I'm boycotting the show' - they will still tune in. In their droves. Just to see what happens. It's exactly why stuff like this happens. Simon and co love it and everyone laps it all up without realising what they're doing. It's outstanding but fascinating to watch and it does wonders for the show.

Even if that is the case [which I doubt] - everyone knows that's the way the show works. You vote for your favourite acts to 'save them from the Bottom Two'. The two acts with the least votes sing again for the Judges Votes - not the publics, as it's out of their hands from then on. Everyone knows what they're voting for. They have done for seven years now. Once the Bottom Two is confirmed - it is out of the publics hands unless it goes to Deadlock. ITV, Syco, the producers and the Judges can eliminate which ever act they want by using whatever means they want. It's that simple.

[Niamh.]

If they don't like it then they should just not watch. I very much doubt a few thousand people [or even a hundred thousand people] is going to matter at all to them. When they have 16 million viewers - it really doesn't matter. And, really, no matter how many people say 'I'm boycotting the show' - they will still tune in. In their droves. Just to see what happens. It's exactly why stuff like this happens. Simon and co love it and everyone laps it all up without realising what they're doing. It's outstanding but fascinating to watch and it does wonders for the show.

Even if that is the case [which I doubt] - everyone knows that's the way the show works. You vote for your favourite acts to 'save them from the Bottom Two'. The two acts with the least votes sing again for the Judges Votes - not the publics, as it's out of their hands from then on. Everyone knows what they're voting for. They have done for seven years now. Once the Bottom Two is confirmed - it is out of the publics hands unless it goes to Deadlock. ITV, Syco, the producers and the Judges can eliminate which ever act they want by using whatever means they want. It's that simple.

well annoying the viewers and potentially losing some obviously does bother Simon, why else would he be considering introducing a new judge half way through the series?

Yes, Jack I am aware of what happens and you can say what you like but the fact is Katie was brutal in her sing off, and had been in the bottom too many times, they owed it to the public to get rid of her.

[Beastie]

I think there are only a small portion of people actually blaming Cheryl, most from what I've seen, blame whoever told Dermot to go to her second

Yes. The producer who was talking in Dermot's ear ;)

The fat cat will not show his face and will be sitting in his swivvly chair laughing at THE BRITISH PUBLIC! lol

[Niamh.]

Yes. The producer who was talking in Dermot's ear ;)

The fat cat will not show his face and will be sitting in his swivvly chair laughing at THE BRITISH PUBLIC! lol

yes, most likely:joker:

[joeysteele]

Sharon Osbourne did do that but it was her last series I think after that.She quit the next one, maybe history will repeat itself.

[Mystic Mock]

Sharon Osbourne did do that but it was her last series I think after that.She quit the next one, maybe history will repeat itself.

fingers crossed that cheryl goes.

[joeysteele]

fingers crossed that cheryl goes.

I think last weeks events will have made her more determined to concentrate in the States, maybe get involved with Simon's X Factor project there rather than the UK.

What happened last week is new in a major sense though, although true when Sharon Osbourne refused to vote a more clear cut majority vote was used then, Sharon had said from the side of the stage after leaving her seat that she wasn't voting and she was finished,she was quitting the show.
It was rather embarrassing to watch this woman being so rediculous.

Last week wasn't the same at all, Cheryl said she wasn't voting at that point, but she then said go to the other 2 and then she would take it to deadlock, unlike with Sharon Osbourne,that was vastly different, as Cheryl hadn't stated she would not vote completely as Sharon had done previously.

So it was a new occurence last week in that sense,Dermot and the Producers ought to have gone back to Cheryl.
I still say, had Louis voted Katie out too like Danni, then Cheryl would have screamed the place down insisting she said she would take it to deadlock,as it is she saw she got the result that most suited her so said no more.

[cub]

Dermot and the Producers ought to have gone back to Cheryl.

Cheryl had made her decision by then. She had refused. Dermot asked her again. She refused again. What was the point in going back to her.

The error was going to Cheryl second. Mentor's always go last.

[joeysteele]

Cheryl had made her decision by then. She had refused. Dermot asked her again. She refused again. What was the point in going back to her.

The error was going to Cheryl second. Mentor's always go last.

I agree with you mostly, but its not the same as before as Cheryl had been willing to vote after Dannii and Louis,he should have gone back to her but he didint so thats the end of that.It is not the same and is new in the fact she would have been willing to vote had he gone back after Dannii and Louis had voted, that is a major difference from the only other time a majority vote was used with Sharon who not only said in no circumstances she would not vote but that she was finished with the show and quitting it.

Cheryl only said she was not voting at that point,not never.

[nanaimo]

I agree with you mostly, but its not the same as before as Cheryl had been willing to vote after Dannii and Louis,he should have gone back to her but he didint so thats the end of that.It is not the same and is new in the fact she would have been willing to vote had he gone back after Dannii and Louis had voted, that is a major difference from the only other time a majority vote was used with Sharon who not only said in no circumstances she would not vote but that she was finished with the show and quitting it.

Cheryl only said she was not voting at that point,not never.

yes exactly, she called deadlock and was ignored

[Marsh.]

Well, Simon didn't vote the other week when two groups were in the bottom 2. Yes, the other three judges had already made a majority decision but what was with Dermot pressuring Cheryl to vote second.
The way he said "So you're point blank refusing to vote?" I felt like smacking him the stupid idiot. He acted like a ***** last week when he was saying to Simon "Come on, who would you have gone for?" Even though one act had already been eliminated and Simon didn't need to vote.
It was like come on, they've already been booted out of the show so let's stick the knife in and say that Simon would have also gone for you if he had the chance.
Didn't anyone else not think that Simon, Dannii and Louis would have done the exact same thing in Cheryl's position.