White Britons 'a minority by 2066'

[Kazanne]

White British people will be a minority in their own country by 2066 if current immigration levels continue, a population expert has claimed.

Professor David Coleman, of Oxford University, said the demographic group would make up less than half the population in "little more" than 50 years.

He said the decline will be caused by record-breaking levels of immigration and the migration of thousands of British nationals abroad over the coming decades.

Prof Coleman made the comments as the Migration Advisory Board prepares to announce recommendations on the Government's proposed cap on migrant workers from outside the EU.

Writing in an article for Prospect magazine, Mr Coleman said: "Inflows (of migrants) of the last decade have been more sudden and on a bigger scale than ever before.

"The consequent increases in population and changes in its composition have caused concern about economic opportunities, housing, local character and national identity. Moreover, if inflows continue on a similar scale, they will transform the demography of this country."

The demographic analyst said projections by the Office for National Statistics show that rising numbers of immigrants, combined with trends in fertility and survival, will see Britain's population rise to 77 million by 2051 - the equivalent to adding the population of the Netherlands. He said the population would then rise to 85 million by 2083.

Referring to white British people becoming a minority, the population expert added: "The 50% benchmark has no special demographic significance, but it would have a considerable psychological and political impact.

"The transition to a 'majority minority' population, whenever it happens, would represent an enormous change to national identity - cultural, political, economic and religious.

"In Britain, judging by the opposition to high immigration reported in opinion polls over recent years, it seems likely that such developments would be unwelcome."

[Jessica.]

Who cares what colour they are? :s

[Kazanne]

Who cares what colour they are? :s

I found the article very interesting and no doubt some articulate people will too.

[Jessica.]

I found the article very interesting and no doubt some articulate people will too.

I don't really think of dominant and recessive genes and immigration and emigration as interesting to be honest. It doesn't matter to me whether a Briton is "white", so that makes me non-articulate?

[Niamh.]

Who cares what colour they are? :s

It is a bit scary that British people in general could be a minority in their own country though, don't you think?

[Kazanne]

It is a bit scary that British people in general could be a minority in their own country though, don't you think?

That is the point that made it interesting for me Naimh,not what colour we will be but that,British people as they are now will be dwindling,which is scary.

[Jessica.]

It is a bit scary that British people in general could be a minority in their own country though, don't you think?

Not to me anyway, the article says "white" Britons, therefore there will be Britons but with other ethnicities than Caucasian.

[Locke.]

Think this is the case in some parts of London already...

I'd say 9/10 people I see where I live are white though.

[Kazanne]

I don't really think of dominant and recessive genes and immigration and emigration as interesting to be honest. It doesn't matter to me whether a Briton is "white", so that makes me non-articulate?

It's not to do with colour as such,it is to do with our Britishness,but if you don't find that interesting,fair enough,there are plenty of other threads,why do people who always use 'colour' get so defensive,I did not write the article but I found it interesting as I'm sure others will(NOT all) but some,and did I say YOU were none articulate?how on earth would I know?

[MTVN]

Oh well, life goes on.

Britons are Britons, be they white, black or asian.

[Niamh.]

That is the point that made it interesting for me Naimh,not what colour we will be but that,British people as they are now will be dwindling,which is scary.

I doubt that immigration will continue at the same rate though, something will have to be done about it imo same goes for here, we can't afford to support people coming in and there isn't enough work here to go round either.

[Livia]

I found the article very interesting and no doubt some articulate people will too.

It might be interesting if it wasn't a lot of cobbled-together scare-mongering. Whoever this "expert" is, if he looks back into his own family a couple of generations he'll definitely find an immigrant or two.

I come from Newham in east London. White, indiginous people became a minority there about twenty years ago. What difference has it made? None. Considering the mad ethnic mix of Newham - over a hundred languages are recognised by the local authority - you'd think it'd be a hot-bed of racism and violence... but it isn't. I'm not going to pretend everything in the garden is rosy, but it's no worse than any other urban area in the UK.

I moved to the countryside a while ago and I have never heard so many disgusting racist comments before in my life. That's because I now live with people who think minorities are different. They know no better, they didn't go to school with other cultures, they don't live with other cultures, so to them they're exotic, different... scary. Newham on the other hand, has been multicultural since the Royal Docks were built in Victorian times, and people from all around the world have been settling there for generations. Does it make the indiginous whites a downtrodden, overlooked group? No, it doesn't. It makes the place richer and more interesting.

I think articles like this are scare-mongering and destructive. I notice no source was mentioned. I'd be interested to know for which publication it was thrown together.

[fruit_cake]

erm.. as long as other minorities stop getting reverse priviledges because the colour of their skin isn't white I couldn't care less! I doubt that will happen though!!

[arista]

"country by 2066"


But by then
Nukes would have hone off
and those underground that will be saved are Whites in general.



So this Guess of our Future is utter Bollocks



Feel The Force.

[MTVN]

erm.. as long as other minorities stop getting reverse priviledges because the colour of their skin isn't white I couldn't care less! I doubt that will happen though!!

In what way do they privileges that we dont?

[fruit_cake]

well for example we have crimes that are more serious because they are 'racially motivated'!! I bet when you get stabbed it feels exactly the same whether its racially motivated or not duh!

[Patrick]

Jessica, No. You live in Limerick, Were most people don't even go so yeah. x


Now onto the topic,

[Racist remarks removed]

k?

The whole reason I wanted David Cameron to be PM was to solve this problem, like Obama, he's done nothing.

[Racist remarks removed]


K?
Now everyone, I'm being serious because I'm not good with things like this, BUT...

Will our government do something about the immigration levels? [Racist remarks removed]

Before we know it, EastEnders will have a cast full of Indians.


I'm in Northern Ireland, but I'd gladly fly over and help you all out if you need the help of someone like me to get rid of the problem.

[KG.]

^ Lol, oh dear oh dear, I'd much prefer a community of Polish and Fillipino's than ill educated people like yourself.

[MTVN]

well for example we have crimes that are more serious because they are 'racially motivated'!! I bet when you get stabbed it feels exactly the same whether its racially motivated or not duh!

Not really, there have been "racially motivated" crimes against white people as well

Do you know who Kriss Donald is? He was a white Scottish teenager who was kidnapped and killed by a gang of Asians. They were later sentanced to life for racially motivated murder and violence.

Contrary to what you seem to think, other races are not immune to being prosecuted for racism. Now, any other privileges that non-whites get?

[Patrick]

^ Lol, oh dear oh dear, I'd much prefer a community of Polish and Fillipino's than ill educated people like yourself.

And you are..?

[MTVN]

.



Isnt it wonderful how these threads get swamped by ignorant and retarded racism?

[KG.]

And you are..?

:joker: Exactly the response I'd expect from someone whose ignorance stops them from giving a balanced and considered argument without resorting to racism.

[Ammi]

It's not to do with colour as such,it is to do with our Britishness,but if you don't find that interesting,fair enough,there are plenty of other threads,why do people who always use 'colour' get so defensive,I did not write the article but I found it interesting as I'm sure others will(NOT all) but some,and did I say YOU were none articulate?how on earth would I know?

Kazanne it is an interesting article and its good you posted it for discussion. If people always get defensive or abusive then these serious debates are pointless

[Angus]

I don't really think of dominant and recessive genes and immigration and emigration as interesting to be honest. It doesn't matter to me whether a Briton is "white", so that makes me non-articulate?


No, but it makes your opinion pretty pointless since I note you are NOT British. Likewise, I would not give a flying ***** if everyone in Eire was green with yellow polka dots.

[arista]

After the Nukes by arabs go off
only White people will be around , after it.
Only a Selected amount go into the Bunkers.


So the long term future is white people.

[Tom]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

[Angus]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

I would stand back, put on your hard hat and wait for the inevitable and predictable screams of "Racist" for daring to even articulate such a view:rolleyes::bored:

[MTVN]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Well, that's what should happen in an ideal world, it should be colourblind where race doesnt matter. After all, noone is defined by their skin colour, and no country should be either. I have a lot more in common with the Black guy in my year than I do a lot of white people, the race of any particular person isnt a problem unless its made into one.

[Tom4784]

It's ridiculous scare tactics, A lot of people migrate to other countries yes but for this to happen there'd have to be a mass exodus of white people. I didn't take this seriously at all, it's a silly article. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a daily mail reader :laugh:

[arista]

"daily mail "


No Dezzy
they are not that silly.

[Tom]

Well, that's what should happen in an ideal world, it should be colourblind where race doesnt matter. After all, noone is defined by their skin colour, and no country should be either. I have a lot more in common with the Black guy in my year than I do a lot of white people, the race of any particular person isnt a problem unless its made into one.

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

[BB_Eye]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country
Why?

[Tom]

Why?

Flipping that over to a more appropriate question, why should countries, not just Britain, lose their identity and be outnumbered by foreigners?

[BB_Eye]

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.
Utter nonsense. Greece for one thing is populated mostly by ethnic turks, a legacy of the Ottoman empire with very few directly descended from the original Hellenic inhabitants. This doesn't detract from their bitter feelings towards Turkey in general and the disputed surrounding Cyprus.

And I can guarantee you ethnic minorities that have lived in the UK all their lives would sooner identify themselves as British than African or Caribbean. And quite right too. Skin colour should have nothing whatsoever to do with nationality.

[Z]

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

Nah I'd say national identity defines a country, but colour doesn't factor into national identity.

[Tom4784]

When it comes to our Identity it's always been influenced by outside countries, We'd have ended up completely different if it wasn't for the Romans, Vikings, Anglo Saxons and anybody else that invaded and left their mark in a way. We've always adapted large parts of our culture from other countries through the ages.

Our Identity isn't static, it's constantly changing and growing.

[Vicky.]

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

[Angus]

It's ridiculous scare tactics, A lot of people migrate to other countries yes but for this to happen there'd have to be a mass exodus of white people. I didn't take this seriously at all, it's a silly article. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a daily mail reader :laugh:

I think it's simply a hypothetical prediction of the exponential birthrate of immigrants who, in the view of the author, tend to have larger families than that of white Britons. At the end of the day it's simply the opinion of one "expert" - but trying to squash the views of concerned white Britons by accusing them of racism for daring to want to debate this issue is counterproductive, since it only fosters suspicion and resentment. Far better to debate it openly and seriously with all parties.

One point I would make is that, in my experience, it isn't only white Britons who are concerned about the burgeoning population and rapidly changing face of Britain, but Britons from all ethnicities, especially those who are second and third generation immigrants who have been here for decades. Are they racist also for voicing their concern?

[Tom]

Utter nonsense. Greece for one thing is populated mostly by ethnic turks, a legacy of the Ottoman empire with very few directly descended from the original Hellenic inhabitants. This doesn't detract from their bitter feelings towards Turkey in general and the disputed surrounding Cyprus.

And I can guarantee you ethnic minorities that have lived in the UK all their lives would sooner identify themselves as British than African or Caribbean. And quite right too. Skin colour should have nothing whatsoever to do with nationality.

And because of the Greek/Turkey/Cyprus split, it just causes problems and its something already starting to be emulated here in the UK between Brits and some muslims. 9% of the UK are immigrants from allover and if we're already having these problems now then what is it going to be like when Brits are outnumbered?

Nah I'd say national identity defines a country, but colour doesn't factor into national identity.

Yes it does, when you think of Jamaican people you think of black people, when you think of French people you think of white people. Its just illogical to think otherwise.

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

Because its easier. I can speak pretty good Spanish (writing it is another matter though) but when I'm with English people in Spain and surrounded by Spanish people, I still speak English. Perhaps its not quite the same because some of them can speak English anyway and may understand but thats still a pretty ignorant view to take on.

[Jack_]

Flipping that over to a more appropriate question, why should countries, not just Britain, lose their identity and be outnumbered by foreigners?

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet? :conf:

[Tom]

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet? :conf:

Yeah if anyone can live where they want then lets just let Abu Hamza stay in this country. Quite an extreme example to use and I don't mean to tar all immigrants like that but it flames your point in one go.

We might all be human but people also deserve an identity. I've got nothing against any immigrants that want to come over as long as they work and pay taxes but I do think a line is crossed when there are too many of them in proportion to Brits especially when they start disrespecting the culture (e.g. last weeks poppy burning thing). the UK is far too lenient in comparison to some other countries and its all thanks to the ridiculous PC movement that makes us sound like a Disney film where everyone and everything is equal.

[Patrick]

I just got a infraction for my post in this thread, ******ing ridiculous.

So everyone else can have a say, I give my views and it's 'Blatently Racism'.

Nah.

[Patrick]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Exactly.

Well said.

[Tom4784]

I think it's simply a hypothetical prediction of the exponential birthrate of immigrants who, in the view of the author, tend to have larger families than that of white Britons. At the end of the day it's simply the opinion of one "expert" - but trying to squash the views of concerned white Britons by accusing them of racism for daring to want to debate this issue is counterproductive, since it only fosters suspicion and resentment. Far better to debate it openly and seriously with all parties.

One point I would make is that, in my experience, it isn't only white Britons who are concerned about the burgeoning population and rapidly changing face of Britain, but Britons from all ethnicities, especially those who are second and third generation immigrants who have been here for decades. Are they racist also for voicing their concern?

When pray do tell did I call him racist? Instead of attacking me on points that don't exist try and argue what's there...if you can.

I jusst think it's ridiculous and unlikely unless there was a mass Exodus or white people suddenly became infertile. Unless the families that are immigrating here are about the same ammount as the population of Luxembourg I can't see it happening :laugh:. There'd need to be some sort of event to kickstart it really, it's not something that would occur naturally in that short amount of time.

[Tom4784]

I just got a infraction for my post in this thread, ******ing ridiculous.

So everyone else can have a say, I give my views and it's 'Blatently Racism'.

Nah.

If you can't see why you got that infraction then there's very little hope for you.

[Angus]

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet? :conf:

If this is the truth, why then do immigrants insist on clinging on to their "identity, culture and language" and in fact demand the right to do so? That was a hypothetical question, because the answer is simple. Just as you are a member of your own family with shared history, habits, traditions etc, so you are also a member of society in a country with shared history, habits, traditions, culture etc. Everyone needs an identity and a need to belong - we all need to connect to each other, it is a basic human need.

What causes tension is that some immigrants are not prepared to integrate into the host culture and wish to cling on to their old way of life which is often at odds with ours, and occasionally even illegal or immoral compared to ours. Can you not understand that Britons, whether white or second,third fourth etc generation immigrants, also love our British culture, traditions, history and way of life and have no wish to relinquish them? What is wrong, perverse or racist about that?:confused:

[Patrick]

If you can't see why you got that infraction then there's very little hope for you.

Because a mod disagreed with one of my views clearly :rolleyes:

I'm fed up with everyone else being able to give their opinions, I give mine and it's made out as if I just shot someone.

[Tom4784]

Because a mod disagreed with one of my views clearly :rolleyes:

I'm fed up with everyone else being able to give their opinions, I give mine and it's made out as if I just shot someone.

Because you were being racist, I've sent you a PM pointing out the problem areas of the post. If you can't see what's wrong after that then I can't help you. We don't mod people when we disagree with a post only when it breaks the rules of the forum.

[Angus]

When pray do tell did I call him racist? Instead of attacking me on points that don't exist try and argue what's there...if you can.

I jusst think it's ridiculous and unlikely unless there was a mass Exodus or white people suddenly became infertile. Unless the families that are immigrating here are about the same ammount as the population of Luxembourg I can't see it happening :laugh:. There'd need to be some sort of event to kickstart it really, it's not something that would occur naturally in that short amount of time.


I didn't actually say that YOU were accusing anyone of racism - I was actually pointing out that the views expressed in the article were merely those of one so called "expert". I absolutely agree that there is a degree of scaremongering going on, but the point I was making is that by surpressing legitimate debate by pooh poohing people's concerns is counterproductive - far better to just allow people to voice their concerns and put them straight with actual facts and figures.

Even if it were the case that white Britons WILL be a minority in this country in 50 odd years, the fact is that in the article, the intervening half century of change, adaptation and assimilation that would have to take place, has largely been disregarded as if it were irrelevant.

[MTVN]

Yes it does, when you think of Jamaican people you think of black people, when you think of French people you think of white people. Its just illogical to think otherwise.


I dont particularly. And what about a country like Russia that is home to 150 or so different ethnicities, would they simply be classed as a white country?

[Tom4784]

I didn't actually say that YOU were accusing anyone of racism - I was actually pointing out that the views expressed in the article were merely those of one so called "expert". I absolutely agree that there is a degree of scaremongering going on, but the point I was making is that by surpressing legitimate debate by pooh poohing people's concerns is counterproductive - far better to just allow people to voice their concerns and put them straight with actual facts and figures.

Even if it were the case that white Britons WILL be a minority in this country in 50 odd years, the fact is that in the article, the intervening half century of change, adaptation and assimilation that would have to take place, has largely been disregarded as if it were irrelevant.

Oh okay, I getcha, sorry for taking a sarky tone.

I just don't think it can happen over such a short amount of time naturally, I think EVENTUALLY we'll have a more balanced ratio of races in the UK due to interracial relationships and such which is far from a bad thing. I can't see a change happening in 50 years though, it's too short for a natural change to occur.

[Beso]

Hey where did my post go..god, sorry for the caps, usually they change into small case anyway..

What I was sayoing is i'm pig sick of hearing people who live in happy town where trees are green and birds don't **** how they don't care what colour or language people spk..wait until it happens to you and your happy little dream world without your local councdil giving you a say or a thank you or whatever then lets see you hum the waltons tune on a day to day basis..

[Jamietwo]

I don't care what colour people are , I'm more concerned if they are friendly and polite and the crime levels etc. I'm not bothered about Polish immigrants at all, but there have been government reports about alarming crime levels by people who are of afro Caribbean descent. I've lived in areas where the population was majority afro Caribbean, never again, the homophobia and attitude was intolerable, my best mate was covered in petrol and set on fire and he isn't even camp or anything. The whole gangsta drugs violence absent father culture is intolerable. Anyway i'm moving to another country next year.

[Shaun]

Don't suppose this happens to come from The Sun or the Daily Mail, does it? :bored:

[Kazanne]

"daily mail "


No Dezzy
they are not that silly.

Someone asked for the source of this article, it is not from a tabloid.
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155283824

[Boothy]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

This

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

And also this.

[Shaun]

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

For convenience's sake? If I moved to, say, Germany with a friend or my family - would I continually speak to them in German?

[Vicky.]

For convenience's sake? If I moved to, say, Germany with a friend or my family - would I continually speak to them in German?

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

[Niall]

This is from the Daily Mai- sorry Fail right?

So why are we listening to them? Its a pile of poo. The government have actually begun to listen to the facts on immigration now and if they have well over 50 years to sort the mess out then why is everyone getting so hot and bothered about it?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

'white' britons? :bored:

[Shaun]

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Well that's exactly my point - not many foreign-born people do speak perfect English, just as many of us don't speak another language perfectly. The difference is they NEEDED to move abroad to find work, we don't. They have enough to worry about other than judgmental English folk scolding them for not greeting every customer with an 'awright guv'nor?'

[Vicky.]

Well that's exactly my point - not many foreign-born people do speak perfect English, just as many of us don't speak another language perfectly. The difference is they NEEDED to move abroad to find work, we don't. They have enough to worry about other than judgmental English folk scolding them for not greeting every customer with an 'awright guv'nor?'

Yes, but the example I gave, they DO speak perfect English. We are actually quite good mates with 3 of the 4 that work there, and have been out drinking and such with them :laugh:

They just chose not to, and as I said, I can think of no reason at all to speak foreign around english customers at work...except to slag them off :S

[Shaun]

Yes, but the example I gave, they DO speak perfect English. We are actually quite good mates with 3 of the 4 that work there, and have been out drinking and such with them :laugh:

They just chose not to, and as I said, I can think of no reason at all to speak foreign around english customers at work...except to slag them off :S

Oh right. Well I guess it must just be a convenience thing...and yea probably bitching about you too :laugh2:

[Vicky.]

Oh right. Well I guess it must just be a convenience thing...and yea probably bitching about you too :laugh2:
Am used to it, just prefer when I hear/understand the attempts at whispering instead, too nosey and like to hear what people say about me/others :p

[Tom]

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Its not a conversation involving you so you shouldn't be so nosey :p

As I said a few posts back I speak OK Spanish but still speak English when over there and with another English person. Its not ignorant, its just easier

[Vicky.]

Its not a conversation involving you so you shouldn't be so nosey :p

As I said a few posts back I speak OK Spanish but still speak English when over there and with another English person. Its not ignorant, its just easier
OK spanish is a little different to perfect though, and surely if you had a business in spain you would make the effort to try and speak spanish to the non-english speaking folk who were spending money?

As for the first bit, yeah, far too nosey for my own good :laugh2:

[Jessica.]

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet? :conf:

:worship: :worship: :worship:

[GiRTh]

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

[fruit_cake]

OK spanish is a little different to perfect though, and surely if you had a business in spain you would make the effort to try and speak spanish to the non-english speaking folk who were spending money?

As for the first bit, yeah, far too nosey for my own good :laugh2:

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

[Vicky.]

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

Erm, what on earth does that have to do with what I wrote :conf:

I was simply asking if living in spain, and being able to speak spanish, when running a business, surely you would speak spanish to customers who are only able to speak spanish themselves :S

[Iceman]

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hamilton#Racial_abuse

[fruit_cake]

erm.. In Spain maybe if you're black they'll shout monkey noises at you, if your fat they'll call you fat or if you're ugly they'll call you ugly.. whereas in England fat or ugly people are allowed to be abused but black people are not.. The Spanish would probably say that is the real racism.

I remember being called Spanish bitch once at school and the teacher told them of for calling me Spanish.. it was apparently fine to call me a bitch though. I'm not even Spanish really. Weird standards the English have for racism with your anti-racism banners everywhere.:nono: yet you are allowed to call people bitches no problem.

[MTVN]

erm.. In Spain maybe if you're black they'll shout monkey noises at you, if your fat they'll call you fat or if you're ugly they'll call you ugly.. whereas in England fat people are allowed to be abused but black people are not.. The Spanish would probably say that is the real racism.

I remember being called Spanish bitch once at school and the teacher told them of for calling me Spanish.. it was apparently fine to call me a bitch though. I'm not even Spanish really. Weird standards the English have for racism with your anti-racism banners everywhere.:nono: yet you are allowed to call people bitches no problem.

Yes, what weird standards we have where it's unacceptable to shout out monkey noises at black people(!)

You cant compare calling someone fat, or saying someone is a bitch, to racially abusing somebody.

[fruit_cake]

Yes, what weird standards we have where it's unacceptable to shout out monkey noises at black people(!)

You cant compare calling someone fat, or saying someone is a bitch, to racially abusing somebody.

why can you not compare them?? because you say so?? MTVN:conf::conf: It you are being victimised it doesn't matter whether its because you are fat or because of your skin colour...

[MTVN]

why can you not compare them?? because you say so?? MTVN:conf::conf: It you are being victimised it doesn't matter whether its because you are fat or because of your skin colour...

Fat people have an element of control over how they look, they only really have themselves to blame for being the size they are and they are well within their capabilities to silm down, it's a health issue you cant say the same about somebodys race.

Black people cannot change their skin colour, they cannot change the way they were born. A self-inflicted health problem and somebodys race are not comparable. And if you want to look back through the history of discrimination I wonder whos had it worse? I doubt it's those who get the odd "fat" jibe every now and then

[fruit_cake]

Fat people have an element of control over how they look, they only really have themselves to blame for being the size they are and they are well within their capabilities to silm down, it's a health issue you cant say the same about somebodys race.

Black people cannot change their skin colour, they cannot change the way they were born. A self-inflicted health problem and somebodys race are not comparable. And if you want to look back through the history of discrimination I wonder whos had it worse? I doubt it's those who get the odd "fat" jibe every now and then

I don't think that fat people are to blame for being abused. It seems to me that the people who abuse them are to blame.

Fat people might be able to slim down but ugly people are always ugly and Stupid people are always stupid. I don't understand why do they not deserve special protection, yet those of non-white race do deserve it?? It seems like a double standard to me :conf::conf:

The English are the ones who like to seperate people on grounds of race. It seems to me that the true racists are the English. You don't have to tick a form to say which race you belong to just to get a job in Spain. The Spanish might make one or two stupid jokes like with that racing driver but the entire English nation is fundamentally racist. Its a nation that likes to tell others what to do but forgets that it's flies are undone while it does it.

Nobody gets special privelidges in Spain just because their skin is the right colour like they do in England. So I don't agree with what you say!!! its your opinion and this is mine.

[MTVN]

I don't think that fat people are to blame for being abused. It seems to me that the people who abuse them are to blame.

Fat people might be able to slim down but ugly people are always ugly and Stupid people are always stupid. I don't understand why do they not deserve special protection, yet those of non-white race do deserve it?? It seems like a double standard to me :conf::conf:

The English are the ones who like to seperate people on grounds of race. The true racists are the English. You don't have to tick a form to say which race you belong to just to get a job in Spain. The Spanish might make one or two stupid jokes like with that racing driver but the entire English nation is fundamentally racist. You are a nation that likes to tell others what to do but you forget that your flies are undone while you do it.

Nobody gets special privelidges in Spain just because their skin is the right colour like they do in England. So I don't agree with what you say!!! its your opinion and this is mine.

I'm not saying that insulting people for being black is justified but it's more explainable than targeting someone because of their skin colour, I maintain that calling someone fat is nor comparable to making monkey noises at black people.

Bullying is not nice in any way, shape or form, but you have to put the situation into context; racism is far more degrading and far more of a divisive force in society then calling someone ugly is, and it goes a lot deeper, in my opinion anyway. That's why it is considered much more inappropiate.

And who gets special priviliges? Nobody does, I already tried explaining that non-whites do not get privileges that we dont. Giving your ethnicity on a form is for purely statistical purposes, there is nothing racist about it.

[InOne]

Isn't there only 3 types of race or something? Like Black people, Chinese, and then the rest are just in the middle?

[letmein]

Isn't there only 3 types of race or something? Like Black people, Chinese, and then the rest are just in the middle?
Nope.


Chinese, isn't a race.

[Angus]

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

I think this is a very valid point - white Britons who have grown up in multicultural Britain will, for the most part, be unlikely to be worried about any loss of identity, since the British identity they have known all their lives is closely entwined with that of many other ethnicities.

However, this is still Britain, with it's own rich history, traditions, ceremonies etc.,contributed to and enhanced by immigrant culture over a much longer and protracted timespan than the mere 50 odd years we have recently lived through. So long as these traditions are respected and perpetuated, alongside those of other ethnicities I can see a future, a hundred years hence, when our British heritage will have assimilated all such influences, as it has always done throughout the centuries.

[Angus]

I don't think that fat people are to blame for being abused. It seems to me that the people who abuse them are to blame.

Fat people might be able to slim down but ugly people are always ugly and Stupid people are always stupid. I don't understand why do they not deserve special protection, yet those of non-white race do deserve it?? It seems like a double standard to me :conf::conf:

The English are the ones who like to seperate people on grounds of race. It seems to me that the true racists are the English. You don't have to tick a form to say which race you belong to just to get a job in Spain. The Spanish might make one or two stupid jokes like with that racing driver but the entire English nation is fundamentally racist. Its a nation that likes to tell others what to do but forgets that it's flies are undone while it does it.

Nobody gets special privelidges in Spain just because their skin is the right colour like they do in England. So I don't agree with what you say!!! its your opinion and this is mine.



One flaw in your argument is to suggest that the "true racists are English". If that were the case, why would the English have permitted such levels of immigration into this country over the past half century? It is unparalleled with the rest of Europe - countries such as France, Germany, Spain,Italy etc, have far more draconian restrictions and treatments of immigrants. There may well be racist English people, but I have encountered very many racist people from different ethnicities. It isn't a one way street by any means. You seem to be guilty of the same accusation levelled at the English - ie tarring every English person with the same racist brush.

Furthermore, I also totally abhor those forms and questionnaires where you have to state your ethnicity, but far from being racist they are there to promote fairness in the distribution of resources, ie to ensure that the white English do not hog them!

As regards Spain, I have family living in Almeria who are often subjected to racist jibes and resentment, so please don't even bother pretending Spain is oh so liberal and welcoming to immigrants.

[BB_Eye]

Nope.


Chinese, isn't a race.
They are a race. They are recognised as a minority in neighbouring Asian countries such as Korea, Japan, Thailand, Malaysia and particularly Indonesia where they are known for suffering discrimination.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Isn't there only 3 types of race or something? Like Black people, Chinese, and then the rest are just in the middle?

:joker:

[lime]

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.
I find your post very interesting from personal experience.My first language is Afrikaans and I 've been living in Ireland since '99.I am perfectly capable of speaking English in fact i only speak Afrikaans when I get home after work to family or if i am on the phone to family or friends.
In the past couple of years whilst I'm on the phone speaking Afrikaans I've had 3 occasions were people have shouted at me to go home to Poland(whilst I'm sure it's a lovely country ,I have never been there).
First occasion was I stopped off at shop on way home from work,went to get a trolley.I was on the phone to my kids asking them to check did we need milk /bread etc when the hoody brigade start shouting at me.I was quite frightened by this and just got in my car and drove home.Another time my son 19 had to get of the luas on his way to college as he could be heard speaking Afrikaans to his brother on phone and some scumbags started to threaten him and the usual calling him fcuking foreigner.

Whilst I know that these individuals are just ignorant and put these experiences down to that as all my Irish friends have told me to I'm know starting to think I may be a bit green around the gills.

In my home country SA there are so many languages it never bothers me if i here people speaking in a language I don't understand and I genuinely did not think that others would be offended if I spoke my own language to my family /friends in English speaking countries.TBH I don't understand why it is??
You say you see no other reason for these people to speak their own language to each other than bitch about customers????
When I have been to France/Spain etc I have often encountered English speaking people who have emigrated there who freely speak English to each other and I guess the French/Spanish find it also a problem but I just don't see why.I don't get why people find it a problem if they encounter a person or people speaking in a conversation that doesn't involve them in a language they don't understand??

[fruit_cake]

One flaw in your argument is to suggest that the "true racists are English". If that were the case, why would the English have permitted such levels of immigration into this country over the past half century? It is unparalleled with the rest of Europe - countries such as France, Germany, Spain,Italy etc, have far more draconian restrictions and treatments of immigrants.


um.. Angus maybe can you go and tell about how the Spanish have such draconian laws about immigration to the 1 million English immigrants now living in Andalucia and the Costa del Sol. Or to the 500000 Germans living in Mallorca...or maybe you could say hello to the 5million South Americans now living in Madrid and Spain or to the 500000 Romanians that for some reason have decided that Spain is a good place to go to. :xyxwave: It might be wise to learn about these places before you talk about how inferior to England they are...:conf:

There are no immigration laws within the EU because everyone can move around as long as they hold an EU passport. Most south Americans have dual nationality either with Spain, Portugal or Italy and so they have no restrictions either...so you are just wrong there are no draconian laws. Spain has to deal with the majority of African immigration as it is the closest crossing point from Africa and most of the ports like Algeciras, La Linea and Tarifa are full of Arab immigrants and many stay and settle. Spain has to hear complaints about immigration by the English and yet the hard work of protecting EU boundaries is done by Spanish workers. Spain was ruled by Arabs for 800 years and they still think its their country.

erm.. maybe under Franco Spain was different and he didn't really allow immigration particularly in his early years, but as he grew old he got tired and opened Spain up to tourism...its been 35 years now since he died and 72 years since he took over so it is not the same country anymore. One good legacy of Franco is that it does not have broken down benefit families or spoilt brat child princes and princesses with no respect or care for fellow their human beings.

Also the only country in the EU that still has passport control is the UK. You can't even get a UK passport without having to find someone of high social standing to countersign the photograph. Out of the countries of western europe, It's the UK that is the only 'draconian' country IMO.

It seems to me that perfect England is actually a country that is far more riddled with social inequalities than any other in Europe. Special interest groups constantly demanding special priviledges be it on grounds of race, sex, class, whatever. It doesn't happen in Spain.. you get laughed at if you think you're special just because of the way you were born, just like that spoilt brat racing driver did, La Pija Vicki Beckham couldn't hack it even for a few weeks and everyone in Spain was laughing at her.. and those oh so special English footballers went home with their 'anti racism' banners whining like spoilt little babies.

It has nothing to do with Racism at all thats what I already said duh.. if you're ugly they call you ugly, if you're fat they call you fat.. if you're black they shout monkey noises at you.. every is the same **** and nobody is special.. Its not something to be proud of, but at least its fair... and it sounds better like we say in Spanish.. somos todos la misma mierda

Neither country is perfect and sh1tty English bottoms still stink and need wiping just like Spanish ones do... :whistle:

[Tom]

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

Maybe we should just pull any iconic buildings down if they're in the way etc or falling apart, after all none of us were about when these things within British heritage were built/started

[GiRTh]

Maybe we should just pull any iconic buildings down if they're in the way etc or falling apart, after all none of us were about when these things within British heritage were built/startedI dont see the point you're tying to make. How does the tearing down of an historic building compare to hanging onto a culture that has not existed for at least sixty years?

I think this is a very valid point - white Britons who have grown up in multicultural Britain will, for the most part, be unlikely to be worried about any loss of identity, since the British identity they have known all their lives is closely entwined with that of many other ethnicities.

However, this is still Britain, with it's own rich history, traditions, ceremonies etc.,contributed to and enhanced by immigrant culture over a much longer and protracted timespan than the mere 50 odd years we have recently lived through. So long as these traditions are respected and perpetuated, alongside those of other ethnicities I can see a future, a hundred years hence, when our British heritage will have assimilated all such influences, as it has always done throughout the centuries.
Totally agree. :thumbs:

[Lee.]

Live and let live..

Life's FAR too short

[Tom]

I dont see the point you're tying to make. How does the tearing down of an historic building compare to hanging onto a culture that has not existed for at least sixty years?

You were saying whats the point in keeping a culture that doesn't exist and noone was around for, but thats akin to saying why keep heritage and other aspects of culture that noone was initially around for and only know the history of it?

And I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, all I'm saying is immigrants should never outnumber the native race of a country and that if immigrants do move over here then respect our culture and don't try to make it like your own, which large minority of immigrants are currently doing and the overly PC government lets this happen.

[BB_Eye]

Maybe we should just pull any iconic buildings down if they're in the way etc or falling apart, after all none of us were about when these things within British heritage were built/started
What does that have to do with anything? Britain's remaining traditional architecture is protected by the government and local councils. Most of the fugly concrete tower blocks that stand in place of where more uniform Georgian and Victorian buildings might have stood are there as a result of feckless town and city planners trying to rebuild inner cities in their ill-considered utopian image following the bombings in WWII.

And some of the 'non-Western' architecture built for ethnic and religious minorities happen to scrub up very well too. For instance the Neasden Temple in London is a beautiful building and the largest Hindu temple outside of India.

[GiRTh]

You were saying whats the point in keeping a culture that doesn't exist and noone was around for, but thats akin to saying why keep heritage and other aspects of culture that noone was initially around for and only know the history of it?

And I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, all I'm saying is immigrants should never outnumber the native race of a country and that if immigrants do move over here then respect our culture and don't try to make it like your own, which large minority of immigrants are currently doing and the overly PC government lets this happen.Its not even nearly the same thing. Culture evolves and develops depending on the time. To hang onto a culture that is in no way relevant in this day and age seems like resistant just for the sake. Why not embrace the new found culture. The Indian corner shop is now a British institution. The most popular dish is an Indian dish. Immigrants have and are contributing a great deal to this country. To hang on to this ideology of 'white' Britain is antiquated to say the least.

[Tom]

Its not even nearly the same thing. Culture evolves and develops depending on the time. To hang onto a culture that is in no way relevant in this day and age seems like resistant just for the sake. Why not embrace the new found culture. The Indian corner shop is now a British institution. The most popular dish is an Indian dish. Immigrants have and are contributing a great deal to this country. To hang on to this ideology of 'white' Britain is antiquated to say the least.

Well you "totally agree" with angus58's point that is very similar to what I'm saying ...

British culture and heritage is important to Britain just as any countries heritage is relevant and important to that country. Its not hanging on to it for the sake of it, its hanging on to your countries values and traditions.

I agree with integration into our culture and it will evolve just as today is different to 100 years ago because thats just natural progression, but core values and beliefs in this country need to stay imo and that would be impossible in such a situation, again I refer to a minority who don't respect our culture and attempt to bring their own culture here and in a violent way. Indian takeaways are not an intentional impact on our culture, it just happened. Trying to abolish Christmas or being disrespectful on Remembrance Day is an instant impact and is unnacceptable. And I'm not disputing that immigrants are contributing to the country either. Why should we put up with that just for the sake of "evolving". But when you're going from 91% British people and predominantly Christian values (whether or not you're religious or not) then thats how it should stay, well because its just Britain. Becoming an ethnic minority in your own country is just pushing it.

I don't even think this will happen anyway especially not 2066. By then the population is estimated to be about 70-80m, even just the surplus 10-20m that will live here isn't enough on its own to boost numbers from 9% to 60%.

[GiRTh]

Well you "totally agree" with angus58's point that is very similar to what I'm saying ...

British culture and heritage is important to Britain just as any countries heritage is relevant and important to that country. Its not hanging on to it for the sake of it, its hanging on to your countries values and traditions.

I agree with integration into our culture and it will evolve just as today is different to 100 years ago because thats just natural progression, but core values and beliefs in this country need to stay imo and that would be impossible in such a situation, again I refer to a minority who don't respect our culture and attempt to bring their own culture here and in a violent way. Indian takeaways are not an intentional impact on our culture, it just happened. Trying to abolish Christmas or being disrespectful on Remembrance Day is an instant impact and is unnacceptable. And I'm not disputing that immigrants are contributing to the country either. Why should we put up with that just for the sake of "evolving". But when you're going from 91% British people and predominantly Christian values (whether or not you're religious or not) then thats how it should stay, well because its just Britain. Becoming an ethnic minority in your own country is just pushing it.

I don't even think this will happen anyway especially not 2066. By then the population is estimated to be about 70-80m, even just the surplus 10-20m that will live here isn't enough on its own to boost numbers from 9% to 60%.If you're referring to integration thru violence then of course that is not acceptable but I doubt there are many effective examples that we can point to.

The title of the thread refers to 'white' Britain and for me, the son of an immigrant who came here nearly fifty years ago, that is a concept that only people in their 70's or 80's can actually know about from first hand experience. Thus, I'm shocked to see so much resistance from teenagers and 20 somethings.

[Ammi]

Well you "totally agree" with angus58's point that is very similar to what I'm saying ...

British culture and heritage is important to Britain just as any countries heritage is relevant and important to that country. Its not hanging on to it for the sake of it, its hanging on to your countries values and traditions.

I agree with integration into our culture and it will evolve just as today is different to 100 years ago because thats just natural progression, but core values and beliefs in this country need to stay imo and that would be impossible in such a situation, again I refer to a minority who don't respect our culture and attempt to bring their own culture here and in a violent way. Indian takeaways are not an intentional impact on our culture, it just happened. Trying to abolish Christmas or being disrespectful on Remembrance Day is an instant impact and is unnacceptable. And I'm not disputing that immigrants are contributing to the country either. Why should we put up with that just for the sake of "evolving". But when you're going from 91% British people and predominantly Christian values (whether or not you're religious or not) then thats how it should stay, well because its just Britain. Becoming an ethnic minority in your own country is just pushing it.

I don't even think this will happen anyway especially not 2066. By then the population is estimated to be about 70-80m, even just the surplus 10-20m that will live here isn't enough on its own to boost numbers from 9% to 60%.

Tom I think I understand what you are saying and you have a valid point. Population has grown so much even since our parents and grandparents generation it has grown and evolved and part of that is immigration which is good as hopefully it does make us more knowledgeable and tolerant as a nation and helps us to understand and learn about other cultures as hopefully they learn from us without having to travel far and wide to learn, as some people never get the opportunity to travel. The history of Britian goes way back and also needs to be preserved, buildings, artifacts etc. I think this will happen and I dont think it is in threat through being multicultural, as 'new cultures' are proud of this also. But yes you are right, this is an ideal theory and it is upsetting when some of our traditions are disrespected like say Remembrance Day. We just have to remember that this is a minority who do this and does not represent our multi cultured nation as a whole. Our own so called 'white british' students can act like d***s also and totally disrespect and embarrass our country. I think history and heritage will be preserved just because its ours and no one can take it away from us

[letmein]

They are a race. They are recognised as a minority in neighbouring Asian countries such as Korea, Japan, Thailand, Malaysia and particularly Indonesia where they are known for suffering discrimination.

No. Chinese is an ethnicity. Not a race, babe. :xyxwave:

[Mr XcX]

What a load of ****!!!

White people are about 3/4 of the population of Britain last week! Now this week we are in the minority! RUBBISH!

[Jamietwo]

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

I like this post... The racist feelings i have occasionally definitely involve fear and anger, I just want to feel peaceful and happy inside. Hanging onto to racist feelings or hateful feelings is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die, you are just hurting yourself. There are aspects of afro-Caribbean culture that upset me at times, but I generally feel ok with everyone no matter what their ethnic background. The way forward is to feel comfortable enough to explore our feelings and be honest, not have them pushed down by political correctness. If we all started talking about our feelings more there would definitely be some healing.

[letmein]

http://www.amren.com/ar/2009/08/15b-BNP_Poster.jpg

[Pyramid*]

You were saying whats the point in keeping a culture that doesn't exist and noone was around for, but thats akin to saying why keep heritage and other aspects of culture that noone was initially around for and only know the history of it?

And I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, all I'm saying is immigrants should never outnumber the native race of a country and that if immigrants do move over here then respect our culture and don't try to make it like your own, which large minority of immigrants are currently doing and the overly PC government lets this happen.


I agree with this train of thought.

As for the original post way back. If I could be bothered checking I would, but isn't this something that Nostradamus predicted, and the date's not too far off also.

[Z]

To me, if an immigrant has made a concerted effort to learn the language and way of life in this country, that's all there is to be expected of them. I would not simply renounce my old way of life just because I'd moved; at the same time I wouldn't want to isolate myself by not trying to fit in, but like attracts like; immigrants will be drawn to other immigrants from the same background, it's a normal thing. So what if white Britons become a minority by 2066? Change is always good; trying to resist it is what causes problems!

[InOne]

http://www.amren.com/ar/2009/08/15b-BNP_Poster.jpg

You're Irish. Why do you care?

[letmein]

You're Irish. Why do you care?

:joker: I'm not Irish.

[InOne]

:joker: I'm not Irish.

I swear you said you were once lol

[bananarama]

"country by 2066"


But by then
Nukes would have hone off
and those underground that will be saved are Whites in general.



So this Guess of our Future is utter Bollocks



Feel The Force.


I agree with part of what you say......By then Nukes would have gone off long long before that date.......

Where I don't agree is that those saved underground will not be white.......


The experts conclusions are years out of date. In many places including where I live original type population are about 1 in every hundred........If one must talk colour then whites are already in some areas almost extinct......

[Livia]

http://www.amren.com/ar/2009/08/15b-BNP_Poster.jpg

Why have you posted this? Are you a member? Reading through some of your posts it wouldn't surprise me AT all.

[Beastie]

As long as you are a decent person and willing to work then I don't care what race you come from.

However I do agree that there are too many people in the UK already and in years to come the population of the UK is going to expand even more which isn't good.

[Beastie]

Also.. unfortunately we can't just live where ever we want. Apparently we can't just live in America. You can only live there for up to 4 years at a time apparently and can't become a permanent resident! Unless of course you have a prestigious career like a doctor or something.

The government of this country needs to stamp down on immigrants. Stop letting so many immigrants in because there is not enough room.

If I had it my way though.. we could get rid of the thugs and the minority of people who keep having babies and sponging off the goverment for benefits but we obviously can't just kick them out because they were born here.

Therefore there has to be stricter rules for whether more immigrants should come in.

[Grimnir]

I dont care what colour people are as long as they see themselves as British and respect the country and people.

Otherwise they can ****