View Full Version : Katie Waissel Time to give her a break
stewart64
19-11-2010, 10:42 AM
Imagine if Katie had got on the tour having come nineth like Aiden. It would have been lynch mob time and a hate fest in the red top press.
I welcome the decision to put Aiden through, but this highlights the unfairness of Katie's commentary on this forum and in the media.
She put in one of the performances of the series on Sunday night, but the boo mob have stopped listening to her and she is unfairly labelled as vocally challenged. And judging by some of the comments this week on this forum, the neutrals are coming down on her side, because if the haters make stupid comments like she can't sing it will arouse a sense of justice and fair play amongst those who previously didn't care.
Time for redress. Get the Waissel vote out this weekend please, keep the Great one in. unless of course you want to keep Sunday special as the Waisselfactor.
Niamh.
19-11-2010, 10:50 AM
She sang ok on Sunday lets not exaggerate here! It was her best performance of the series but not one of thee best performances of the series by any stretch of the imagination.
She doesn't deserve to be there because everyone in there (bar maybe Wagner) is a better singer then her, that's the only reason nothing to do with bad press or anything else.
Yeah, I agree. People are just expecting her to be bad now because of all the negativity surrounding her. People are forgetting to actually listen to how bad a few of the others are because it has become just a hate campaign directed at Katie. (althought thanbfully, the public saw sense last week and realised how atrocious Aiden actually was!)
So yeah, let's giver her a break this week.. Get Cher or Wagner out !
fruit_cake
19-11-2010, 11:33 AM
I hope she gets judged on her singing ability not on all the madness surrounding her.. if thats the case she's gonna be out!
Niamh.
19-11-2010, 11:36 AM
I hope she gets judged on her singing ability not on all the madness surrounding her.. if thats the case she's gonna be out!
Exactly. If anything she's getting special treatment and has lasted so long because of the negative press
fruit_cake
19-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Exactly. If anything she's getting special treatment and has lasted so long because of the negative press
yup
I hope she gets judged on her singing ability not on all the madness surrounding her.. if thats the case she's gonna be out!
If the whole country came to its senses at once and decided to base the competition on singing ability, Wagner would be out: he's by far, the worst singer left, surely nobody could argue that point?! The whole show seems to have just turned into a game, a game controlled by the media and dafties who start internet campaigns.
fruit_cake
19-11-2010, 11:44 AM
yes I agree Wagner is definately a worse singer than Katie!
Niamh.
19-11-2010, 11:46 AM
Hopefully it'll be a double elimination on Sunday and they can both go:eureka:
StGeorge
19-11-2010, 11:55 AM
If the whole country came to its senses at once and decided to base the competition on singing ability, Wagner would be out: he's by far, the worst singer left, surely nobody could argue that point?! The whole show seems to have just turned into a game, a game controlled by the media and dafties who start internet campaigns.
Yes..but arent you forgetting that this game was started by the Judges and production crew....but the public got fed up with the rules being manipulated and have started to fight back.
Yes..but arent you forgetting that this game was started by the Judges and production crew....but the public got fed up with the rules being manipulated and have started to fight back.
No, I genuinely don't believe the rules have been manipulated.
No, I genuinely don't believe the rules have been manipulated.
Fair enough, but surely you can see the reasons why other people do believe that? I think it's a shame for Katie (and indeed all of the contestants) that five months ago they decided to audition for the X Factor and got put through their first audition, giving them a confidence boost that they are good singers - only to be turned into pawns in a game between the media, the X Factor producers and the public. Their talents are disposable and dreams are destroyed at the whim of "entertainment", you have to be the right combination of lucky, popular and talented to survive beyond the X Factor, something that only Shayne Ward, Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, JLS and Diana Vickers seem to have managed. The jury's still out on Joe and Olly, but even if you include them - to have only had five acts from the X Factor to sustain success is an appalling ratio when you consider the number of good singers we've seen over the years. Katie and Wagner are the two weakest singers left in the competition; they need to go really.
stewart64
19-11-2010, 12:55 PM
Exactly. If anything she's getting special treatment and has lasted so long because of the negative press
Well I hope you are right about the negative press thing working in her favour. I do actually believe it is a bit of a forlorn hope, but we definitely need to get her vote out this weekend, if four sing offs weren't enough warning. So in the immortal words of Shakespeare (and Steve from BB11 before the football match):-
Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more
Straining upon the start. The games afoot
Follow your spirit, upon the morrow.
Cry 'God for Katie', England and Saint George.
Dr.Gonzo
19-11-2010, 01:00 PM
She's just getting on my tits now, to the point of her singing ability not even being in question.
Locke.
19-11-2010, 01:06 PM
It is ok I will give Katie a vote this week, and no one who the greatest person on earth votes for is ever in the bottom 2.
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
19-11-2010, 01:07 PM
push her down the stairs
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
19-11-2010, 01:08 PM
It is ok I will give Katie a vote this week, and no one who the greatest person on earth votes for is ever in the bottom 2.
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Niamh.
19-11-2010, 01:26 PM
Well I hope you are right about the negative press thing working in her favour. I do actually believe it is a bit of a forlorn hope, but we definitely need to get her vote out this weekend, if four sing offs weren't enough warning. So in the immortal words of Shakespeare (and Steve from BB11 before the football match):-
Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more
Straining upon the start. The games afoot
Follow your spirit, upon the morrow.
Cry 'God for Katie', England and Saint George.
She needs to go now, the people have put her in the bottom 4 times which is sending Simon and co a strong message that we want her gone.
bbfan1991
19-11-2010, 03:21 PM
She needs to go now, the people have put her in the bottom 4 times which is sending Simon and co a strong message that we want her gone.
They will get fed up of Katie once she has served her purpose like they did with Jedward.. they wanted her on the tour and it's happened. Katie has given the producers the controversy they want, so in business sense she's done them proud:).
Some people are so personal with their nastiness towards her:(, it's only a TV show and if some want to criticise her on the singing ability fair enough but we don't know the contestants and the personal comments are not on IMO:nono:.
Jack_
19-11-2010, 04:41 PM
Her Twitcam last night just highlighted how much of a genuinely nice person she is, IMO, and it blew all of the 'bitch'/other hate claims out of the water. I think it's appalling that there's rapists, murderers etc out there yet they're not receiving half as much 'hate' as a contestant off a TV talent show is [and she's not even done anything wrong].
I guess people in Britain crave someone in the public eye to 'bully' and criticise at every given opportunity. Doesn't matter what they've done [or even if they've done nothing at all] - if you're the unlucky one, then that's that. Pathetic, really.
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Imagine if Katie had got on the tour having come nineth like Aiden. It would have been lynch mob time and a hate fest in the red top press.
I welcome the decision to put Aiden through, but this highlights the unfairness of Katie's commentary on this forum and in the media.
She put in one of the performances of the series on Sunday night, but the boo mob have stopped listening to her and she is unfairly labelled as vocally challenged. And judging by some of the comments this week on this forum, the neutrals are coming down on her side, because if the haters make stupid comments like she can't sing it will arouse a sense of justice and fair play amongst those who previously didn't care.
Time for redress. Get the Waissel vote out this weekend please, keep the Great one in. unless of course you want to keep Sunday special as the Waisselfactor.
whoes katie waissel?
Kazanne
19-11-2010, 04:48 PM
If the whole country came to its senses at once and decided to base the competition on singing ability, Wagner would be out: he's by far, the worst singer left, surely nobody could argue that point?! The whole show seems to have just turned into a game, a game controlled by the media and dafties who start internet campaigns.
Great post happyland,it's about time people took it back to an X Factor competition,and not a game as you say.:xyxwave:
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 04:50 PM
Great post happyland,it's about time people took it back to an X Factor competition,and not a game as you say.:xyxwave:
well if the judges are gonna turn it into a game then we the public will play them at there own game.
Jack_
19-11-2010, 04:57 PM
well if the judges are gonna turn it into a game then we the public will play them at there own game.
Eh? How have the Judges made it into a 'game'? Why do you still not understand? The Judges can vote for whoever they want. You do not have a say after the Bottom Two has been announced. That's it. It's not a 'game', it's their vote - a vote they're entitled to use in any way they wish. Their vote. Not yours, not mine, not the rest of the public's. Their's.
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 05:07 PM
Eh? How have the Judges made it into a 'game'? Why do you still not understand? The Judges can vote for whoever they want. You do not have a say after the Bottom Two has been announced. That's it. It's not a 'game', it's their vote - a vote they're entitled to use in any way they wish. Their vote. Not yours, not mine, not the rest of the public's. Their's.
when i said judges i meant simon cowell,and last year he voted rachel out over lloyd because it was her third time in the bottom two which i excepted,but why is he not doing the same with katie this year? treyc and aiden were much better singers and performers imo,yet he still saved katie when she hit it for her third and fourth time.
and peter sutcliffe cowell cant have changed that much in a year.
Jack_
19-11-2010, 05:21 PM
when i said judges i meant simon cowell,and last year he voted rachel out over lloyd because it was her third time in the bottom two which i excepted,but why is he not doing the same with katie this year? treyc and aiden were much better singers and performers imo,yet he still saved katie when she hit it for her third and fourth time.
and peter sutcliffe cowell cant have changed that much in a year.
Hmm...I don't know, maybe because, just a wild guess, he was bored of Rachel? Or didn't like her anymore? And maybe he isn't bored of Katie anymore and still likes her? Just a guess... :sleep:
And since when has Simon Cowell been a serial killer?
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 05:32 PM
Hmm...I don't know, maybe because, just a wild guess, he was bored of Rachel? Or didn't like her anymore? And maybe he isn't bored of Katie anymore and still likes her? Just a guess... :sleep:
And since when has Simon Cowell been a serial killer?
it still dosent change that rachel was way better than lloyd in singing and performing, rachel also kicked his ass in the sing off aswell.
simon isnt a serial killer but i do think its bad that his taking better contestants out over katie,and even though i loved jedward they also should have lost to lucie last year as lucie was better.
Jack_
19-11-2010, 06:30 PM
it still dosent change that rachel was way better than lloyd in singing and performing, rachel also kicked his ass in the sing off aswell.
In your opinion. And besides, Simon and all of the other Judges can save acts for whatever reason they like, as many times as they like, whenever they see fit. That's what they're employed to do - cast their own votes. They don't have to consult you, me or anyone else before doing so. If one of them wanted to save an act because they were taller than the other - they could. Because it's their vote - not yours. Of course I wouldn't admit to that if I were them, and I doubt they would either - but they are entitled to vote for whoever they want, as many times as they want, for whatever reason they want. It's as simple as that.
I'm amazed that you are still missing the point, to be quite honest.
simon isnt a serial killer
So why are you putting his surname on the end of a serial killer's name?
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 06:37 PM
In your opinion. And besides, Simon and all of the other Judges can save acts for whatever reason they like, as many times as they like, whenever they see fit. That's what they're employed to do - cast their own votes. They don't have to consult you, me or anyone else before doing so. If one of them wanted to save an act because they were taller than the other - they could. Because it's their vote - not yours. Of course I wouldn't admit to that if I were them, and I doubt they would either - but they are entitled to vote for whoever they want, as many times as they want, for whatever reason they want. It's as simple as that.
I'm amazed that you are still missing the point, to be quite honest.
So why are you putting his surname on the end of a serial killer's name?
im surprised if people think stiff lloyd is better than rachel in singing.
and im extremely annoyed at simon so im throwing a really bad insult at him.
Jack_
19-11-2010, 06:46 PM
im surprised if people think stiff lloyd is better than rachel in singing.
But this isn't just a singing competition. I'm baffled people still believe it is.
and im extremely annoyed at simon so im throwing a really bad insult at him.
Aiden's on tour now anyway, so cheer up :xyxwave:
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 06:48 PM
But this isn't just a singing competition. I'm baffled people still believe it is.
Aiden's on tour now anyway, so cheer up :xyxwave:
i actually believe you have also got to have stage pressence.
and they have tried to make us aiden fans shut up but im still pissed off his been cheated out of his place.
i actually believe you have also got to have stage pressence.
and they have tried to make us aiden fans shut up but im still pissed off his been cheated out of his place.
He was not cheated out of anything.. he was just outclassed by a much much much better singer.
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 07:25 PM
He was not cheated out of anything.. he was just outclassed by a much much much better singer.
he was cheated out of his place and katie cant outclass cher lloyd.:joker:
joeysteele
19-11-2010, 08:27 PM
it still dosent change that rachel was way better than lloyd in singing and performing, rachel also kicked his ass in the sing off aswell.
simon isnt a serial killer but i do think its bad that his taking better contestants out over katie,and even though i loved jedward they also should have lost to lucie last year as lucie was better.
This staement from you jf, shows great fairness, because you really do like Jedward but also admit that likely in fairness Lucie should have stayed.
That comment from you commands respect for it.
Also as to giving Katie a break as this thread asks for her,, for goodness sake now many more breaks, she has had 4 chances now, more than any previous X Factor contestant ever and still hasn't improved her status on the show and with the public who vote. All those chances too following the major one she got to be put through at all to the 'live' finals despite forgetting her words at Cheryl's house,that was long before any press reports started too.
StGeorge
19-11-2010, 10:13 PM
No, I genuinely don't believe the rules have been manipulated.
Maybe i should of explained myself more, and as to why i put the word rules in italics.
IMO the judges have manipulated this show by favouring the people they are mentoring during singoffs irrespective of whether they are the best/worst act.
This to many flies in the face of this being a competition to find the best singer when its quite clear favouritism to ones own comes before better talent.
And it even got worse when Louis voted for the Conway Sisters(Scowells act) over a better act because they were Irish and he knew them.
Its because of this that many have turned the tide as they see that the main rule..find the best act.. has been broken.
And its why Wagner is getting the support he does, and why someone they see as being favoured, gets the hate.
StGeorge
19-11-2010, 10:20 PM
Great post happyland,it's about time people took it back to an X Factor competition,and not a game as you say.:xyxwave:
That would be a good thing yes, but the only way for it to be about finding the best talent would be if the mentoring/favouring/bias was removed from the judges, and so it becomes a contest between the acts and not the judges.
Until then, this will remain just a game show, and one where the participation by the public means they can go head-to-head with the judges.
StGeorge
19-11-2010, 10:26 PM
Eh? How have the Judges made it into a 'game'? Why do you still not understand? The Judges can vote for whoever they want. You do not have a say after the Bottom Two has been announced. That's it. It's not a 'game', it's their vote - a vote they're entitled to use in any way they wish. Their vote. Not yours, not mine, not the rest of the public's. Their's.
Exactly....100% correct....and so do the public.
And so for Happyland to insinuate that the public are the ones who have started to manipulate this show is wrong..as its the judges who started it by voting bias towards their act, and not the best act.
Why do you and others still not understand that is why the protest votes keep the Wagners in?
StGeorge
19-11-2010, 10:41 PM
But this isn't just a singing competition. I'm baffled people still believe it is.
You need to look at what context a few of us have made our comments, and they followed on from this by Happyland where he talks of the show being about a singing contest:
"If the whole country came to its senses at once and decided to base the competition on singing ability, Wagner would be out: he's by far, the worst singer left, surely nobody could argue that point?! The whole show seems to have just turned into a game, a game controlled by the media and dafties who start internet campaigns. "
Jack_
19-11-2010, 11:10 PM
Exactly....100% correct....and so do the public.
And so for Happyland to insinuate that the public are the ones who have started to manipulate this show is wrong..as its the judges who started it by voting bias towards their act, and not the best act.
You're not really making any sense. Of course the Judges are going to be biased and vote for their own acts in the sing-off, that's just the way the mentoring works and it has been the same since X Factor began. That's just the way it is. But even so, they are still entitled to vote for whoever they wish to, as many times as they like. If you [and others] don't like that, then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s) to ensure they aren't at risk of that process, or just quite simply don't watch - as it has been this way for seven years. Once two acts are in the Bottom Two, the public do not have a say unless of course it goes to Deadlock. The show has survived seven series with this format - so why is there a problem now?
Why do you and others still not understand that is why the protest votes keep the Wagners in?
LOL, the protest votes to keep Wagner in are a big fat ****ing fail. It makes me laugh how people assume it's going to have any detrimental effect on the show or 'piss Simon off', as that seems to be the idea behind it. Just for the record though - I don't mind Wagner, and the public are entitled to vote for whoever they wish. That's when they get their say. Not when two acts are in the Bottom Two. I just think it's hilarious how people are backing him to 'spite' Simon.
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 11:17 PM
You're not really making any sense. Of course the Judges are going to be biased and vote for their own acts in the sing-off, that's just the way the mentoring works and it has been the same since X Factor began. That's just the way it is. But even so, they are still entitled to vote for whoever they wish to, as many times as they like. If you [and others] don't like that, then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s) to ensure they aren't at risk of that process, or just quite simply don't watch - as it has been this way for seven years. Once two acts are in the Bottom Two, the public do not have a say unless of course it goes to Deadlock. The show has survived seven series with this format - so why is there a problem now?
LOL, the protest votes to keep Wagner in are a big fat ****ing fail. It makes me laugh how people assume it's going to have any detrimental effect on the show or 'piss Simon off', as that seems to be the idea behind it. Just for the record though - I don't mind Wagner, and the public are entitled to vote for whoever they wish. That's when they get their say. Not when two acts are in the Bottom Two. I just think it's hilarious how people are backing him to 'spite' Simon.
but simon shouldnt say he would vote the act out if they hit the bottom two for there third time then,because that was his reason for voting rachel out over lloyd last year,not because he was bored of her.
yet his got rid of treyc over katie and got rid of aiden over katie when them two acts hadnt hit it for there third or fourth time where as katie has,oh and it makes a mockery of his decision to take out his own act against chico as they both hit it for there third time.
Katie's voice is so good, I wish people would just give her a proper chance!
King Gizzard
19-11-2010, 11:21 PM
It's average at best.
joeysteele
19-11-2010, 11:23 PM
Her voice is very average and that's even stretching things a bit, she also has little stage presence too.
Mystic Mock
19-11-2010, 11:24 PM
Her voice is very average and that's even stretching things a bit, she also has little stage presence too.
this.
keithafc
19-11-2010, 11:24 PM
Can some one please explain WHY there is madness around her? All i say is a desperate wannabe who has no talent. She can't sing folks. She is a rubbish singer. So why is there this madness about her?
She is just desperate to make it in any way. Its sad really that she has even made it to week 7. At least Wagner is entertaining and actually loves the hate. Katie is just a sad sight to be honest.
Jack_
19-11-2010, 11:29 PM
but simon shouldnt say he would vote the act out if they hit the bottom two for there third time then,because that was his reason for voting rachel out over lloyd last year,not because he was bored of her.
yet his got rid of treyc over katie and got rid of aiden over katie when them two acts hadnt hit it for there third or fourth time where as katie has,oh and it makes a mockery of his decision to take out his own act against chico as they both hit it for there third time.
Um, I don't know...maybe because...Rachel is not Katie? He applied that reason to Rachel, not Katie. Rachel. So what if he doesn't apply the same reason to another contestant? He clearly likes Katie a lot more than he does Rachel, or else he would've saved Rachel, wouldn't he? And he's entitled to like some acts more than others, you know. And he's also entitled to apply any reason he sees fit to justify his vote. And he can vote for any act he wishes. Like I said, if you don't like that - then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s), or don't watch the show. It's been this way for seven years - nothing has changed.
Mystic Mock
20-11-2010, 12:55 AM
Um, I don't know...maybe because...Rachel is not Katie? He applied that reason to Rachel, not Katie. Rachel. So what if he doesn't apply the same reason to another contestant? He clearly likes Katie a lot more than he does Rachel, or else he would've saved Rachel, wouldn't he? And he's entitled to like some acts more than others, you know. And he's also entitled to apply any reason he sees fit to justify his vote. And he can vote for any act he wishes. Like I said, if you don't like that - then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s), or don't watch the show. It's been this way for seven years - nothing has changed.
so its ok then he can be a hypocrite? not.
StGeorge
20-11-2010, 03:53 PM
You're not really making any sense. Of course the Judges are going to be biased and vote for their own acts in the sing-off, that's just the way the mentoring works and it has been the same since X Factor began.
Unfortunately i am the only one making sense when you put mine and others into context with the original comment by Happland....he has raised the point of this being a singing contest and not a game show....and its that reason why having favouritism via mentors who then judge is a flawed system.
That's just the way it is. But even so, they are still entitled to vote for whoever they wish to, as many times as they like. If you [and others] don't like that, then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s) to ensure they aren't at risk of that process, or just quite simply don't watch - as it has been this way for seven years. Once two acts are in the Bottom Two, the public do not have a say unless of course it goes to Deadlock. The show has survived seven series with this format - so why is there a problem now?
But again....you are missing the point of the original comments as Happyland was questioning the public turning this into a game show....surely they too have every right to vote for who they damn well please as they are not being paid vast sums of money to do a job, but are in fact the ones who are expected to stump up their hard earned cash to see fair play.
and I think you'll find there has been unrest for awhile now, hence the protest vote for last years xmas No1.
LOL, the protest votes to keep Wagner in are a big fat ****ing fail. It makes me laugh how people assume it's going to have any detrimental effect on the show or 'piss Simon off', as that seems to be the idea behind it. Just for the record though - I don't mind Wagner, and the public are entitled to vote for whoever they wish. That's when they get their say. Not when two acts are in the Bottom Two. I just think it's hilarious how people are backing him to 'spite' Simon.
I....dont think so seeing as he is still there whilst better acts are going out. And its been well documented that Scowell is pissed off with the way the public ruined his No1 last year, and the protest vote for lesser acts.
Jords
20-11-2010, 04:57 PM
Haters gonna hate. People who say she only sings 'ok' or 'average' are kidding themselves because when she has done a good performance (all sing-offs bar the 'sod this' one,and 2nd + 3rd live performances) shes been great, she may not be your cup of tea but lets be honest about it!
StGeorge
20-11-2010, 05:14 PM
Haters gonna hate. People who say she only sings 'ok' or 'average' are kidding themselves because when she has done a good performance (all sing-offs bar the 'sod this' one,and 2nd + 3rd live performances) shes been great, she may not be your cup of tea but lets be honest about it!
That is true Jords, and IMO she was the better singer in the singoff with Aiden....but i still think she should of gone against Treyc.
I happened to like her voice when i first heard her, but my view has changed as its obvious she struggles to last throughout the whole song (compared with an audition piece), and her apparent desperation at singoff is nauseating.
My main gripe is that the production crew seemed to manipulate the show to keep her over Treyc which stinks. And, as much as i want to see Gamu deported due to visa irregularities, i feel the producers manipulated the show at the judges stage which has thrown a big spanner in the works regarding Katie & Cher's involvement to which the public are now revolting against. It has brought the whole show publicity it didnt need for the wrong reasons.
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