No favoritism towards Cheryls acts?

[Vicky.]

Interesting statistic I just read on another forum...6 weeks out of 7 it has been one/more of Cheryls girls in the bottom. And only once has this resulted in one going, and this was only when the girls were against each other

The only week her girls escaped bottom two was week 2 :/

(Copied this from another thread, but I think it deserves a thread of its own :p)


Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)

[Niamh.]

just replied to this post but I need to the same here. Yeah, and she's been so smug about having the most acts in etc. I wish Louis would do his job and point that out the next time she acts all smug about it!

[Z]

They want to present her as the best judge, presumably for 'credentials' when it comes to the US X Factor. She probably has a winner in Rebecca but I fully expect she will put all her efforts into Cher's performance this week, leave Katie to come up with another image change and will rely on Rebecca to come out and sing flawlessly again. She's pretty rubbish as a mentor IMO, she fixes her attention on one act (as does Louis) to the detriment of the rest.

[nanaimo]

I am conflicted about Rebecca, i love her and would love to see her win but the downside is cheryl will win again and i hate the smugness

[Niamh.]

Good point Greg, it seems like a very plausible reason. I know it's terrible to not want an act to win because of the judge but I couldn't bear it if Cheryl won again as much as I love Rebecca

[Vicky.]

just replied to this post but I need to the same here. Yeah, and she's been so smug about having the most acts in etc. I wish Louis would do his job and point that out the next time she acts all smug about it!

Well I think Louis has had slapped wrists about discussing anything to do with Cheryl/her girls in a negative way. So I doubt this will happen.

[Stevep]

I dont think they are setting it up to make Cheryl look good, it just so happens she has acts that sell the most papers so she is getting to keep all her acts.

[Niamh.]

I dont think they are setting it up to make Cheryl look good, it just so happens she has acts that sell the most papers so she is getting to keep all her acts.

Well, that beggers another question, why did she get that particular group? why not be fair and rotate the groups properly?

[nanaimo]

i would love to have seen what would have happened if she got the overs, would simon be raving about wagner then hmmm???

[Vicky.]

Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)

[Z]

I think it's very suspicious that Cheryl's not been given the Overs or the Groups so far; they're clearly not that confident in her popularity that she could produce a winner from those categories. Next year, if it's the same judging panel, I'd like to see Dannii get the Groups, Cheryl get the Overs, Simon get the Girls and Louis get the Boys.

[Niamh.]

and why has she never mentored the groups? Surely this is where her expertise could be best served, after all she started out in a reality show as part of a group who went to be very succesful

[Vicky.]

She ALWAYS seems to be given the strongest category. Obviously this wasnt enough this year..so extra measures have been taken to ensure a win :S

[Niamh.]

She ALWAYS seems to be given the strongest category. Obviously this wasnt enough this year..so extra measures have been taken to ensure a win :S

yep, no one accounted for Matt:hugesmile: plus it would have looked too dodgy to give her the boys two years running

[fruit_cake]

Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)

those statistics are very suspicious indeed

[Vicky.]

yep, no one accounted for Matt:hugesmile: plus it would have looked too dodgy to give her the boys two years running

The final is pretty much Matt V Rebecca though...and they are doing a hatchet job on him in the press recently :/

[joeysteele]

Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)

You and niamhxo are absolutely right.

I know I go an about Cheryl but I have persoanal reasons to dislike her, however I believe in fairness and if one of her acts were in the bottom 2 for the fiorst time against anyone who had been there 3 or 4 times then I would say it wasnt fair had her act gone out.

Although I will hate it, and while I do believe that all this series has been about the preservation of Cheryls acts at all costs, I do think now Simon is determined to get a first group winner of the X Factor, I just hope Matt can get the votes to bring him through though.

Rebecca should make the final though too.

[Niamh.]

The final is pretty much Matt V Rebecca though...and they are doing a hatchet job on him in the press recently :/

well, I just hope people see through it

[joeysteele]

those statistics are very suspicious indeed

Extremely suspicious.

[Vicky.]

Although I will hate it, and while I do believe that all this series has been about the preservation of Cheryls acts at all costs, I do think now Simon is determined to get a first group winner of the X Factor, I just hope Matt can get the votes to bring him through though.


I actually think Simon is prepared to lose OD. I really do. It wont matter anyway, someone will sign them.

He seems to be putting less and less effort into them every week, and when they get through he seems a bit TOO happy, if that makes sense. I think his love for them is very exaggerated.

[fruit_cake]

I actually think Simon is prepared to lose OD. I really do. It wont matter anyway, someone will sign them.

He seems to be putting less and less effort into them every week, and when they get through he seems a bit TOO happy, if that makes sense. I think his love for them is very exaggerated.

I agree, he hardly seems to comment on them at all.. always mentions who he thinks is good and then at the end adds something like 'oh yeah.. and the boys, of course'!

[Z]

Simon's looking at who can make him the most money, not which of his acts can win the competition.

[fruit_cake]

yeah one direction.. straight into simon's back pocket :whistle:

[Z]

Nah, there's more money to be made out of Rebecca than One Direction - they're only popular while their current fanbase are still young teenagers; Rebecca's got a wider appeal.

[Vicky.]

Nah, there's more money to be made out of Rebecca than One Direction - they're only popular while their current fanbase are still young teenagers; Rebecca's got a wider appeal.

He obviously thinks theres a lot to be made from katie and cher too.

[Adamw92]

I hate that none of Dannii's acts have gotten a second chance, I kinda feel like the other judges have it out for her category

[Niamh.]

I hate that none of Dannii's acts have gotten a second chance, I kinda feel like the other judges have it out for her category

She still has Matt left, all she needs is one!

[Z]

He obviously thinks theres a lot to be made from katie and cher too.

True but he's flogging dead horses there, he could maybe sell Cher to the public at a push.

[GiRTh]

Interesting statistic I just read on another forum...6 weeks out of 7 it has been one/more of Cheryls girls in the bottom. And only once has this resulted in one going, and this was only when the girls were against each other

The only week her girls escaped bottom two was week 2 :/

(Copied this from another thread, but I think it deserves a thread of its own :p)


Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)Fascinating. I dont think those statisctics have happened by accident.

On DS, a member was at the show last night and is claiming that Louis was told by producers that he couldn't take it to deadlock. Obviously its only one persons word but it did seem strange that Louis didnt back Paije since he's stuck up for him throughout the show.

[Vicky.]

She still has Matt left, all she needs is one!

If by some chance he hits the bottom two though niamh...especially against any of the girls...wont be good :bored:

[Novo]

Hopefully Matt against Cher or Katie next week in the bottom two and this Stat lives up to it's name

Can't be having some bullying thug getting through any longer :bored:

[Niamh.]

Fascinating. I dont think those statisctics have happened by accident.

On DS, a member was at the show last night and is claiming that Louis was told by producers that he couldn't take it to deadlock. Obviously its only one persons word but it did seem strange that Louis didnt back Paije since he's stuck up for him throughout the show.

:shocked: No????? :shocked:

I really thought he was going to take it to deadlock too. That is just maddening if it's true, Paije was fantastic in the song off, I know Cher was too which is why I thought deadlock would have been the fair way to go. btw if an audience member knew that does that mean that Paije also did???:shocked:

[Vicky.]

Fascinating. I dont think those statisctics have happened by accident.

On DS, a member was at the show last night and is claiming that Louis was told by producers that he couldn't take it to deadlock. Obviously its only one persons word but it did seem strange that Louis didnt back Paije since he's stuck up for him throughout the show.

Yeah Ive been reading that thread today...not too sure what to make of it, but would not surprise me in the slightest if it was true.

Louis did look really upset to be voting paije off, and if he really liked them both, the sensible thing to do would be to take it to deadlock :S

[Vicky.]

btw if an audience member knew that does that mean that Paije also did???:shocked:

Well...according to the poster Paije was right next to it all while it was happening, so chances are he heard too

[Ammi]

If by some chance he hits the bottom two though niamh...especially against any of the girls...wont be good :bored:

Omg you've scared me - if Matt was upagainst any of the three girls, I honestly don't think Simon would keep him in - honestly I don't because the problem is he's bigged them up so much (Rebecca deservedly) I think now he's digging his heals in.
And I do think its biased toeards Cheryl but tbh thats nothing new I mean I know Wagner's s***e really but bless him poor Louis always gets the bum deal lol but give him his dues he does support them pretty well and never gives up

[Niamh.]

Well...according to the poster Paije was right next to it all while it was happening, so chances are he heard too

That is just disgusting if it's true

[Vicky.]

That is just disgusting if it's true

This is the main point I guess.

I just cant see the producers slipping up like that after all efforts have been made to hide the bias...such as allowing deadlock ONLY when the public vote goes there way so it doesnt look so fixed :/

[Ammi]

The judges havn't been able to criticise Matt for a bad performance but he's been getting negative press recently, makes you wonder if thats all leaked on purpose so he loses public support. Dirty tactics to eliminate the competition

[Niamh.]

This is the main point I guess.

I just cant see the producers slipping up like that after all efforts have been made to hide the bias...such as allowing deadlock ONLY when the public vote goes there way so it doesnt look so fixed :/

yeah true, I find it a little unbelievable that they would let it be heard by an audience member and possibly the contestants

[Jack_]

Firstly, I genuinely believe the favouritism isn't towards Cheryl, it's towards the acts - after all, she has arguably got the strongest, most diverse category. The running-order will often, I imagine, be decided on who the public will most be looking forward to - so for example if One Direction, Cher, Katie, Matt and Rebecca opened the show - chances are they're not going to continue watching for John, FYD etc [let's imagine this is the earlier weeks]. So I'd imagine the running-order is more often than not constructed so that the most 'interesting' acts [i.e the ones that are being talked about the most in the press etc] are last. And as Cher and Katie especially have been talked about a lot - that's why they've usually received fairly late spots, and of course Rebecca is one of the favourites this year. This doesn't always apply, like on Saturday for example - Paije, Mary and Wagner were close to closing the show, and most of the favourites were on early - Matt, Cher, One Direction.

You could argue that Dannii was given the best category this year anyway, considering she has the winner [Matt]. That's not Cheryl favouritism.

Secondly, in regards to the Bottom Two 'conspiracy' - it's just a coincidence. The Judges are entitled to vote any way they see fit, that's the way the show works. Just because they save one of Cheryl's acts - it does not mean they're showing favouritism towards her. Again, it may well just be a case of she has the most interesting, most talked about acts. And of course, even if this was the case, and they were voting for Cheryl instead of her acts - like I said, they are entitled to vote any way they see fit [that is, after all, what they are employed to do] - and so there's no problem.

Oh, and lastly - there is absolutely no way Louis would've been told not to take it to Deadlock, and especially not in front of people who could've over heard it.

[Vicky.]

Secondly, in regards to the Bottom Two 'conspiracy' - it's just a coincidence. The Judges are entitled to vote any way they see fit, that's the way the show works. Just because they save one of Cheryl's acts - it does not mean they're showing favouritism towards her. Again, it may well just be a case of she has the most interesting, most talked about acts. And of course, even if this was the case, and they were voting for Cheryl instead of her acts - like I said, they are entitled to vote any way they see fit [that is, after all, what they are employed to do] - and so there's no problem.


No conspiracy...just very real statistics :)

And of course the judges can vote how they want to vote...what takes the mick though is one week they say 'I will judge it solely on the singoff as always' then the next week 'X was a better singer, but I am saving Y' and such ;)

[Niamh.]

No conspiracy...just very real statistics :)

And of course the judges can vote how they want to vote...what takes the mick though is one week they say 'I will judge it solely on the singoff as always' then the next week 'X was a better singer, but I am saving Y' and such ;)

except for Dannii she always goes on the sing off (except when it's her own act obvs)

[fuzzylovin]

Simon is too far up Cheryls Bum that if it was one direction and cheryls act, he would probly put heres through again.

Nearly every year the judges have a favourite and only focus on that favourite, its unfair.

[fruit_cake]

yeah true, I find it a little unbelievable that they would let it be heard by an audience member and possibly the contestants

yes, its not like they're going to shout it out is it!

[Jack_]

No conspiracy...just very real statistics :)

I meant a conspiracy regarding how these statistics equate to 'Cheryl favouritism'.

And of course the judges can vote how they want to vote...what takes the mick though is one week they say 'I will judge it solely on the singoff as always' then the next week 'X was a better singer, but I am saving Y' and such ;)

That's often because the former applies to when there's two acts who aren't very commercially viable, and are just dispensable acts in the competition - and the latter applies to an act who is commercially viable against an act that's not. Even so, the Judges are also entitled to chop and change their reasons for voting any time they see fit. Again, that is what they're employed to do.

[Vicky.]

I meant a conspiracy regarding how these statistics equate to 'Cheryl favouritism'.


Erm yeah, well I would think most people who looked at this would think there was something up tbh

[Tom]

Interesting statistic I just read on another forum...6 weeks out of 7 it has been one/more of Cheryls girls in the bottom. And only once has this resulted in one going, and this was only when the girls were against each other

The only week her girls escaped bottom two was week 2 :/

(Copied this from another thread, but I think it deserves a thread of its own :p)


Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)

A few flaws in this:

Cheryl by far has the strongest category, to state the obvious

Katie Waissel has been in the bottom 2 5 out of 7 times which suggests favouring towards her rather than Cheryl. John completely crumbled when up against Treyc which resulted in her staying.

Dannii's acts haven't been given a second chance because they've all been outperformed in the sing off. During series 5 she had an act in the bottom 2 EVERY week apart from week 1 and none of them went until week 6 onwards.

The performance order often reflects the popularity of the contestants and its usually dependent on how many acts are in each category. They also want a strong performance to end the show on, hence Wagner and Mary haven't closed it. Last years closing was dominated by Dannii & Simon's categories.

[joeysteele]

Erm yeah, well I would think most people who looked at this would think there was something up tbh

They do Vicky, there is a very unsavoury taste as to X Factor this year and people I know who are only casual watchers even, near all think it stinks badly this series.

[Jords]

Very interesting, Greg has a good theory going on there.

[Tom]

Very interesting, Greg has a good theory going on there.

Not really

[Locke.]

To be fair though, Cheryl's act has always been the better in the sing off, even though Paije was really good last night.

[nanaimo]

louis kept crying about sending someone home last night, well he wasn't sending home anyone if he went to deadlock the bollocks

[Mystic Mock]

Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)

i know its ridiculous,which one of cheryls girls are going on last next week?

[Kazanne]

well, I just hope people see through it

People who don't like Matt will relish the bad press,I do think that some people dislike him as he is a BIG threat to their faves,there is no doubt that Matt has the X Factor,but I do think that it is quite obvious that the judges want one of the girls to win,they try and steer us to vote for them every week,rebecca is the only plausable one,but no way is she better than Matt,she has said that she is scared to move around too much,but she might have to do that to win the show,anyway it's Matt for us all the way.:dance:

[robb]

Interesting statistic I just read on another forum...6 weeks out of 7 it has been one/more of Cheryls girls in the bottom. And only once has this resulted in one going, and this was only when the girls were against each other

The only week her girls escaped bottom two was week 2 :/

(Copied this from another thread, but I think it deserves a thread of its own :p)


Too add to this...none of Danniis acts have ever been given a second chance.

And none of Louis acts have ever closed the show. That privilege going to the girls on 5 shows out of 7 ;)

Good points....and similar to the one I made a couple of weeks ago. Who closes the show this week? Cher is my bet. But just a point.....Rebecca has closed the show once. Other than that she has always appeared in the first half a dozen, and before Katie in every week bar two. There should be a level playing field. For some reason Wagner and One Voice (harry lol) are almost always near the end of the show too........:nono:

[robb]

louis kept crying about sending someone home last night, well he wasn't sending home anyone if he went to deadlock the bollocks

Louis has spent 6 weeks praising Paige to the hilt, but decided to give him the boot because Cher cried.....again. Its pathetic really.