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arista

28-11-2010, 07:40 PM

letmein

28-11-2010, 08:15 PM

They can't.

America has freedom of the press.

It's unconstitutional.

America is not Britain.

ILoveTRW

28-11-2010, 08:21 PM

Im more concerned about the fact that Iran is fortifying its arsenal with the aid of North Korea D:

Shaun

28-11-2010, 09:49 PM

why the **** would Wikileaks do this? Have they got no conscience whatsoever? Taking the "everything must be public!!!!" route might be truthful but it's also incredibly naive and dangerous.

I'm genuinely concerned about the state of international fears now, what with the Koreans and this.

MTVN

28-11-2010, 10:58 PM

The Wikileaks founder is an irresponsible moron

BB_Eye

29-11-2010, 12:27 AM

Can't wait to hear more.

letmein

29-11-2010, 01:58 AM

Assange should be awarded a medal! The world has the right to know what the government is doing in their name!

King Gizzard

29-11-2010, 02:18 AM

Not if it could potentially lead to squabbles and eventually war..

Shaun

29-11-2010, 04:28 AM

Assange should be awarded a medal! The world has the right to know what the government is doing in their name!

That's rather assumptive of the world dealing with said information responsibly. Instead, this is going to fuel the paranoid and the insecure (and lord knows we have enough of those in power) with justification for war and tension.

There's absolutely no right to know what the government is saying and doing - most of these are off-the-cuff remarks that are now going to be magnified by those who assume they 'have a say' and a 'right to hear' everything, which has been fuelled by mass media.

letmein

29-11-2010, 04:40 AM

That's rather assumptive of the world dealing with said information responsibly. Instead, this is going to fuel the paranoid and the insecure (and lord knows we have enough of those in power) with justification for war and tension.

There's absolutely no right to know what the government is saying and doing - most of these are off-the-cuff remarks that are now going to be magnified by those who assume they 'have a say' and a 'right to hear' everything, which has been fuelled by mass media.

Your line of thinking is the reason why Britain is a Nanny State. Do what the government tells you! Question nothing! The gestapo would love you!

letmein

29-11-2010, 04:41 AM

Not if it could potentially lead to squabbles and eventually war..

Tough! Perhaps the government will think next time before lying us into wars.

Shaun

29-11-2010, 04:44 AM

Your line of thinking is the reason why Britain is a Nanny State. Do what the government tells you! Question nothing! The gestapo would love you!

Ohai Godwin.

Not at all - the kind of information leaked doesn't influence us in any way, the dealings are diplomatic, not domestic.

And my point still stands about how dangerous and irresponsible this information is. Your "tough!" comment really says it all, though...just don't go asking for a nuclear shelter, then. See how glorious freedom is then.

29-11-2010, 04:51 AM

arista

29-11-2010, 06:45 AM

This is appalling. I'm curious to read everything, yes, aren't we all, but this is so unbelievably damaging; there are just some things that shouldn't be out in the open, particularly not in a massive data leak at one time. Now that it's out there, it can't disappear. I agree with Shaun, this along with the North/South Korea stand off is making me very nervous about what might happen next.

Zee
Many Saudi's want something Big and Deadly to happen
to them (Iran) it is Cutting the Head off the Snake.

And The North Korean Public want the South Korea War
as after it, it would mean they will all Eat a proper meal.
Of course North Korea has the Bigger Threat as they could , if they chosse to,
use Nukes.

But these are well away from Scotland
or England.
You will still be Standing Tall after any Fights.

Feel The Force

Angus

29-11-2010, 07:06 AM

Just confirmed on Ch4 News and SkyNewsHD

Now Saudi Arabia is not happy with this info now in the public.

And China has Hacked the Internet of many nation.

And Even sominthing on our Royal Family.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333807/WikiLeaks-Unflattering-US-assessment-Cameron-Gordon-Brown-released.html

Will the Yanks arrest some of the Wikileak men?

The reason that evil flourishes is that it's done secretively and corruptly - it is good that this information is in the public domain. Our leaders should not be exempt from scrutiny and censure. Am looking forward to further revelations, some of which I already suspected but are now confirmed.

Shaun

29-11-2010, 07:09 AM

It's about how that escalates though, arista. Do you think the US and the rest of the world would sit back as North Korea uses those sorts of weapons?

However, I do take comfort in the fact that even China, their strongest ally, has been eager to try and resolve the situation. I do think maybe it's just the afraid person in me that's exaggerating this kind of threat.

But back on topic, with the Wikileaks stuff, this isn't going to help any kind of diplomacy, it's just put a lot of people in embarrassing situations and is going to exacerbate any tensions with the Middle East, particularly Iran. It's dangerous stuff - quotes like "The current Iranian regime is effectively a fascist state and the time has come to decide on next steps.", "Without progress in the next few months, we risk nuclear proliferation in the Middle East, war prompted by an Israeli strike, or both" - they're not just embarrassing for the United States - how do you think Iran is going to respond to that? Sure, they're always hateful and dismissive of the West, but all sorts of wheels could now be in motion.

arista

29-11-2010, 07:19 AM

"It's about how that escalates though, arista. Do you think the US and the rest of the world would sit back as North Korea uses those sorts of weapons?"

No they are already backing South Korea with big Ships,
Which makes the Yanks look like the Big Bully.
If the North uses a Nuke, America after it could fire into the North.

But China wants America to behave

It would be over in seconds with no warning
thats the best way.

But Again
It is more a Yank Issue than ours.
The Yanks have a bad record there.

You can have a War there and not here
and once you get into Nukes the Yanks think they are the King.
Maybe North Korea has had enough.

billy123

29-11-2010, 11:01 AM

The talks between the UAE and the US were from 5 years and to be honest not that spectacular or unusual here is the one the news outlets are desperate to make sound as dramatic as they can.
the full 256 documents are here http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/
there are still over 251,000 to come.

S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 04 ABU DHABI 001401

SIPDIS

NOFORN

STATE FOR NEA/FO, NEA/ARP, INR/NESA, AND S/CT - H. CRUMPTON
NSC FOR FRAN TOWNSEND, JUAN ZARATE, MIKE TAYLOR, NICOLE
SHAMPAINE, NIK RAMCHAND, ELLIOTT ABRAMS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/09/2016
TAGS: PTER PINS ASEC EPET MCAP KPAL AE IZ IR
SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR HOMELAND SECURITY AND
COUNTERTERRORISM ADVISOR TOWNSEND'S VISIT TO THE UAE

REF: A. 05 ABU DHABI 3243
¶B. 05 ABU DHABI 3565
¶C. ABU DHABI 409
¶D. ABU DHABI 779
¶E. ABU DHABI 1228
¶F. ABU DHABI 248 (NOTAL)
¶G. ABU DHABI 176
¶H. ABU DHABI 605
¶I. USDEL 00007
¶J. ABU DHABI 1123
¶K. ABU DHABI 909 (NOTAL)

Classified By: Ambassador Michele J. Sison, reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

¶1. (S) Summary. Embassy Abu Dhabi looks forward to welcoming
you to the UAE on April 23. In the aftermath of the
controversy of the Dubai Ports World acquisition of P&O, your
assurances to Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin
Zayed (MbZ), your host for the visit, that the USG values the
UAE as an ally and friend will be well received. While you
should commend the UAE for its assistance and cooperation,
you should take advantage of your luncheon with MbZ and his
brother, State Security Director Sheikh Hazza, to push the
UAE on several areas of interest to the USG:
counterterrorism, counter terror finance, Iran, Hamas, Iraq,
and ideological extremism (each is covered in the
scenesetter). The UAE remains a committed partner in the
global war on terror, but it continues to take an ad hoc
approach to countering terrorism that "solves" the problem
for the UAE locally, but fails to contribute on a
transnational basis. In January, the U.S. and the UAE held
the first meeting of the Joint Terrorist Finance Coordinating
Committee (JTFCC), but the discussions were not as detailed
or as robust as the U.S. delegation anticipated. Treasury
U/S Levey will return to the UAE to hold a second meeting
April 30 that will focus on cash couriers and charities.

¶2. (S) Although the UAE regards Iran as one of its most
serious threats to national security, UAE officials are
reluctant to take actions that could anger their neighbor and
compromise their extensive trading relationship. At the same
time, we are seeing more of a willingness on the part of the
UAE to support USG initiatives without the full approval of
the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). As tensions escalate
between Iran and the international community, the UAE is
growing increasingly nervous. The UAE leadership--which has
told us they consider Hamas a terrorist organization--plans
to uphold its previous commitments of humanitarian assistance
to the Palestinian people. The UAE has taken an active role
in encouraging Sunni participation in the Iraqi political
process and it continues to condemn the sectarian violence
that is preventing stabilization of the country. In the face
of growing ideological extremism in the Gulf, the UAE
leadership is politically determined not to allow Islamist
extremists to gain a foothold on UAE soil. End Summary.

Counterterrorism Efforts
------------------------

¶3. (S) The UAE is concerned about the terrorist threat to the
UAE, but lacks a comprehensive implementation strategy for
reducing its vulnerability (ref A). The UAE considers
homeland security one of its top priorities, but rather than
prioritizing national security projects, its efforts have
focused on contracting risk assessments, forming committees,
and procuring equipment. The UAE has also aggressively tried
to prevent the radicalization of UAE nationals and Arab/South
Asian expatriates. UAE officials publicly and strongly
condemn extremism and terrorist attacks, anti-extremism has
been the focus of government-approved Friday sermons in the
mosques, and the UAE ministry of Education has modernized the
Islamic studies curriculum in its schools.

¶4. (S) The UAEG government reacts quickly when presented with
evidence of a terrorist presence inside the UAE, but does not
approach the problem from a transnational manner. The UAE's
immediate response when terrorists pose a risk is to deport
them. UAE agencies do not investigate fully to see how far
the problem goes or whether there is an international network
involved. Although the U.S./UAE counterterrorism cooperation
is strong (with the UAE working closely with the USG on
specific cases), Emiratis do not consistently share lead
information found in the possession of individuals in their
custody with each other or with the U.S. Government. These
tactics limit law enforcement and intelligence services'
ability to use intelligence to disrupt extremist cells and
planned attacks. The UAE's insistence on deportation as a
solution does not protect the country long-term or truly
address the nature and scope of the problem. The UAEG must
be willing to take action against Emirati nationals, it must
investigate fully, and it must share information with other
Gulf countries and with the USG.

¶5. (S) The only way to generate significant change in the UAE
on the issue of counterterrorism is to convince the senior
leadership that it needs to continue to display political
will and commitment in tackling the terror challenge with a
transnational approach. MbZ is the person most able to
elicit this type of change. Embassy recommends you have a
frank and forthright discussion during your meeting with MbZ
and his younger brother, Hazza, to encourage this type of
change. Although you should commend them for the UAE's CT
efforts and cooperation, you should also encourage them to be
personally involved in developing a more effective and fully
cooperative counterterrorism posture.

Counterterrorism Finance
------------------------

¶6. (S) The UAE has made significant strides in regulating the
financial sector against money laundering and terrorist
financing (ref B). Although the UAE now has a strong legal
framework in place, it must turn its efforts to enforcement.
It is imperative that UAE authorities investigate and
prosecute violators of terror finance/anti-money laundering,
cash courier, and charity laws and regulations. To date,
investigation and prosecution has been weak. In an effort to
increase U.S. and UAE cooperation on terrorist financing, the
first meeting of the U.S/UAE Joint Terrorist Finance
Coordinating Committee (JTFCC) was held in Abu Dhabi on
January 24, 2005 (ref C). The UAE team had representatives
from the Central Bank, State Security, Ministries of
Interior, Foreign Affairs, and Justice. However, no one
participated from Dubai. In order for the JTFCC to be an
effective committee, Dubai's Police, State Security, Customs,
and the Department of Islamic Affairs and Charities must
participate. Embassy is coordinating a second meeting April
30 that will focus on cash couriers and charity regulations.

Iran
----

¶7. (S/NF) UAE leaders are very concerned about escalating
tensions between Iran and the international community. The
UAE feels vulnerable--as evidenced by the fact that its
leaders frequently note that Iran is "very near" the UAE.
Commercial ties between Dubai and Iran are significant (Dubai
is Iran's largest non-oil trading partner), and as a result
the UAEG walks a fine line between maintaining and
encouraging this trade and working to prevent suspected
Iranian proliferation activities. Although the UAEG is
worried about Iran's nuclear ambitions, its short-term policy
decisions regarding Iran center on not provoking its
neighbor. The USG has approached the UAEG four times since
January, asking it to interdict and inspect cargo suspected
of going to Iran's nuclear and/or missile programs. None of
those instances have resulted in a successful interdiction.
In the first two instances UAE officials simply refused to
take action (refs F and G). The Director of Dubai's State
Security Organization explained during the 11 February
U.S./UAE Counterproliferation Task Force meeting that the
decision to not inspect the containers had been a political
decision based on the UAE's concern that Iran might retaliate
(ref H). In the two later instances (ref K), ships that had
been scheduled to arrive in Dubai went directly to Bandar
Abbas.

¶8. (S) In recent meetings with senior USG officials, MbZ has
expressed clear support for U.S. initiatives against Iran.
MbZ and UAE Vice President and Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed
bin Rashid agreed with Secretary Rice February 23 about the
need to counter Iran's growing influence in the region and
its nuclear ambitions, although they specified that any
sanctions should target the key Iranian leadership, not the
Iranian people (ref I). MbZ told A/S Welch March 28 that he
did not think it was necessary to wait for all Gulf
Cooperation Council (GCC) countries to agree before
proceeding with any plans against Iran (ref E). "Whoever is
interested in getting on board ship should be encouraged," he
said. "I don't think it's logical or smart to wait for
everyone to get involved so we can sail. ... If another GCC
member believes it's not right, that's his choice." In the
Arab region, MbZ specifically identified Bahrain and Jordan
as two countries that also view Iran as a threat and that are
"capable to work with us." He told A/S Welch that the UAE
would prepare a paper responding to USG concerns about Iran
and mechanisms for addressing the challenge posed by Iran.
In a March 27 meeting with CENTCOM Commander General Abizaid,
MbZ spoke about the Iranian threat with a greater sense of
urgency. He was strongly in favor of taking action against
Iran and its president sooner rather than later. "I believe
this guy is going to take us to war. ... It's a matter of
time," MbZ warned, adding that action against Iran and
President Ahmedinejad should be taken this year or next year.
MbZ said he was unwilling to wait much longer. "Personally,
I cannot risk it with a guy like Ahmedinejad. He is young
and aggressive."

¶9. (S/NF) SSD Director Hazza told A/S Welch March 29 that the
Ayatollah Ali Khameini had once issued a fatwa prohibiting
the use of nuclear weapons by Iran, but noted that this
should not be considered a guarantee. Hazza assessed that
Iran is also a threat due to its ties to international
terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, as well as their
financial support to Hamas. He added that the relationship
between Iran and Syria, and their links to Hizballah, was
also of concern, as was Iran's attempts to expand its
influence in Iraq and elsewhere in the world. MbZ also
expressed to A/S Welch March 28 the concern that Hizballah
was supporting Hamas. During your meeting, you should
explain the graduated approach to addressing Iran in the
United Nations Security Council and encourage the UAE to
isolate Iran--regardless of potential economic backlash. You
should also explain the importance of the UAE working closely
with the USG on interdiction requests. This meeting will be
a good follow-on to the discussion U/S Joseph had with
Foreign Minister Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan (AbZ) on April
8, where Joseph outlined the USG's policy priorities for Iran
(septel). (Note: While AbZ, like MbZ, expressed support for
U.S. initiatives against Iran, he stated that the USG should
come to the UAE as a "very last resort. ... If you can solve
something without involving the UAE, please do so." End
Note.)

Palestinian Territories/Hamas
-----------------------------

¶10. (S) UAE leaders have told us that they consider Hamas a
terrorist organization and that they would not fund Hamas
unless they denounce violence (refs D and E). However, after
Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal visited Abu Dhabi on
March 22 and met with UAE Minister of Presidential Affairs
Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan and Minister of State for
Foreign Affairs Mohammed al-Sha'ali, Meshaal publicly claimed
that the UAEG had pledged to continue to provide financial
assistance to the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority (ref J).
MbZ told A/S Welch March 28 that the UAEG allowed Meshaal to
come, but that "officially, we don't recognize Khaled
Meshaal." MbZ said that once a new Palestinian Prime
Minister is selected, UAEG officials will travel to the
Palestinian territories to ascertain that UAEG assistance is
"going to the right people." UAE Vice President and Prime
Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid sounded a note of
optimism when he told Secretary Rice February 23 that Hamas,
"with some pressure," would understand the need to respect
the will of the international community.

¶11. (S) The UAE has historically provided significant
financial assistance to the Palestinian people. Typically,
the UAE sends aid to the Palestinian territories through
charity organizations, or by projectized assistance; but the
UAEG has also provided financial assistance directly to the
Palestinian Authority, most recently $20 million in March
2006 to Mahmoud Abbas for salaries. In the wake of the Hamas
electoral victory, UAE leaders told us they intend to honor
their previous commitments of humanitarian assistance
(including the $100 million Sheikh Khalifa housing complex
that was announced last year).

¶12. (S/NF) In his meeting with A/S Welch March 29, SSD
Director Hazza assessed that there was both a positive and a
negative side to the Hamas election win. On the negative
side, he cited Hamas' position with regard to Israel, and
their violent agenda. On the positive side, Hazza noted the
fact that Hamas was now in power and was accountable to the
international community. He spoke to A/S Welch of the threat
posed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Hazza also asked A/S Welch
how the USG would react to those countries that did support
the Hamas government, and whether they would run afoul of
U.S. laws restricting support to terrorist organizations.
A/S Welch replied that that would be a problem, emphasizing
that no money should go to the government unless Hamas
renounced violence and accepted Israel. A/S Welch also told
Hazza that it was not the responsibility of the U.S. or other
Arab countries to pay the salaries of the new Hamas
government, underscoring the need for Hamas to show
accountability. MbZ told A/S Welch that Hamas benefited from
"official and private contributions" from Saudi Arabia,
Kuwait, and Qatar. MbZ said it was "easy to take $1 million
in a suitcase" to Lebanon, alluding to cash couriers.

Iraq
----

¶13. (S/NF) A partner in the war on terror, the UAE continues
to provide U.S. forces access, overflight clearances, and
other critical logistical assistance to Operation Iraqi
Freedom (and Operation Enduring Freedom). The UAE has also
been a helpful supporter of Iraq's burgeoning political
process. It has worked with Iraqi political and religious
figures to encourage greater Sunni integration, and it has
consulted with Ambassador Khalilzad on a number of occasions
about the need to stem sectarianism in Iraq. The UAE has
publicly condemned acts of sectarian and terrorist violence
in Iraq, most recently, the February 22 bombing of the
al-Askariya Shrine. MbZ and Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid
expressed their concerns about Iran's interference in Iraq's
internal affairs to Secretary Rice during her visit to Abu
Dhabi February 23. MbZ further told General Abizaid that
discontent with Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Ja'afari was
creating volunteers for al-Qaida. He pledged the UAE's
support to the fight against al-Qaida. In his meeting with
A/S Welch, MbZ advocated using the Arabic language media to
tell Iraqis the truth about how many of their own people are
dying at the hands of the insurgents. If Iraqis were to see
the figures, he opined, they would conclude that support of
the insurgency is "not worth it."

Ideological Extremism
---------------------

¶14. (S) MbZ and his brothers continue to be outspoken on the
issue of Muslim extremists and the threat they pose to the
region. MbZ underscored for A/S Welch the UAE's preferred
approach of denying extremists a foothold rather than
allowing them to play a role in the political process.
Although he warns of the dangers of free elections in
countries with a well-organized Muslim Brotherhood presence,
he tells USG guests that the UAE will go ahead with
elections. The Emirati leadership has told us that they will
not allow Islamists to participate in elections. (Note: The
UAE has announced that half of the members of the Federal
National Council would be elected while half would continue
to be appointed by the rulers of the various emirates.
Despite this announcement, the UAE still lags behind other
Gulf states in terms of democratization. End Note.) MbZ
also sees extremist ideology threatening the educational
system, where he and his brothers are spending considerable
resources to modernize the curriculum and the teaching corps.
SISON

Fetch The Bolt Cutters

29-11-2010, 11:57 AM

if we get nuclear bombed it will be like fallout

it will be epic :love:

Shasown

29-11-2010, 12:04 PM

The Americans are a bit upset about this leak, its not really a major problem, intelligence and diplomatic communities are suspicious of everyone. Most probably already know the contents of not only these documents but also even higher classified ones still in circulation.

When I worked with the yanks in the 80's and 90's occasionally we would come across classified documents with the additional caveat NOFORN it means it should not be allowed to be viewed by foreign nationals. Anyone not American, that is.

We were briefed previously that if this occurred just leave the document to them. Being nosey though most of us would have a peek. The files would contain information similar to this sort of stuff, briefing notes, intelligence assessments and information that they deemed sensitive to their national interests which was sometimes divergent to the UK's.

The Yanks do as a nation suffer from paranoia and love their little secrets.

But all countries act primarily in their own interests. Or rather in the interests of the particular administration in charge of it at the time.

arista

29-11-2010, 01:42 PM

if we get nuclear bombed it will be like fallout

it will be epic :love:

No any Fall Out is in Asia.

This is not a 1080P BluRay Movie

This is Real Life.

BB_Eye

29-11-2010, 10:40 PM

It pisses me off that Washington are trying to make an example of the man who leaked the information. Lighten up, nobody died. You've just got egg on your face.

BB_Eye

29-11-2010, 10:41 PM

No any Fall Out is in Asia.

This is not a 1080P BluRay Movie

This is Real Life.
:love:

billy123

03-12-2010, 09:30 AM

Dan bull sums up my opinion on wikileaks.
0IaC5bsndDI

lostalex

06-12-2010, 07:17 AM

Dan bull sums up my opinion on wikileaks.
0IaC5bsndDI

Well i for one am glad to live in a democracy, where elected leaders are running the country, not some random dude from the internet.

If Dan Bull thinks he could do a better job, why isn't he running for public office?

I'm sick of all the people online, that have so much criticism, but do nothing about it. Why don't YOU try to run a country, see how easy the decisions seem then. Put YOUR name on the ballot then!

So many Monday morning quarterbacks.

We have the government that WE VOTED FOR. We live in democratic countries. The government is OF the people BY the people FOR the people. the government IS US. But so many people try to pretend they arn't accountable for their own government's actions.

people have no idea how hard it is to make these decisions. You are entrusted by the public to PROTECT them. You may think you know better, but you don't.

If you don't trust yur government, then DON'T ELECT THEM. Simple as that.

arista

06-12-2010, 07:40 AM

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange 'will release poison pill of damaging secrets if killed or arrested'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335888/WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange-release-damaging-secrets-killed-arrested.html#ixzz17JZotN5B

He has a Master Plan
meanwhile in America on Fox News
they say he is a Terrorist
and must be arrested.

Of Course CNN does not see it that Evil.

But with Secrets of American
Interests or pipes will be of interest
to those Arab Terror Gangs
but you would think they would know all this.

Assange is in hiding
in England.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 07:49 AM

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange 'will release poison pill of damaging secrets if killed or arrested'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335888/WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange-release-damaging-secrets-killed-arrested.html#ixzz17JZotN5B

So he's a hipocrite then. He says he's all about getting the truth out, but he's not releasing this information unless he's killed???

If he's all about transparency and honesty, why doesn't he release it right now???

He's an attention *****. I really don't like this man. What a poseur.

arista

06-12-2010, 08:10 AM

So he's a hipocrite then. He says he's all about getting the truth out, but he's not releasing this information unless he's killed???

If he's all about transparency and honesty, why doesn't he release it right now???

He's an attention *****. I really don't like this man. What a poseur.

Some Data should never go public,
he is saving that in case a Yank Hitman or Russian Nuke man kill him.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 08:20 AM

Some Data should never go public,
he is saving that in case a Yank Hitman or Russian Nuke man kill him.

OIC, so basically, he realizes that releasing it would be a bad thing for the world, but if he's killed he thinks "well i'm dead, so ******* the world".

Shows what kind of morals this guy has. He thinks after he's dead, he doesn't give a flying crap what happens to the rest of us. That sounds sooo responsible. After i'm dead, let the world burn. Who gives a flip if it causes misery and suffering, i'll be gone, so ******* it!

What a hero. *rolls eyes*

arista

06-12-2010, 10:39 AM

OIC, so basically, he realizes that releasing it would be a bad thing for the world, but if he's killed he thinks "well i'm dead, so ******* the world".

Good Point,
he thinks they will not get him
and this top secret data stays on a portable hard drive
in the Guardian Safe.

His Lawyer
is tying to deal with the Euro Sex Scandel against him
let alone the Death threats.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 11:16 AM

Apart from this vile little man releasing information designed to spin the world into chaos....can anyone give me a good reason why he is still alive?

This dude really has been watching too many Bond movies.

i never imagined i'd ever say this in my lifetime.... but i actually agree with Sarah Palin. He needs to be neutralized.

Some random rapist hacker from australia does NOT have the right to decide what is right for the world. We have democratically elected officials to make those decisions.

Julian Assange thinks he has the right to make these decisions for us all?? but at the same time he says he believes in democracy???

And they say American's don't understand irony???

arista

06-12-2010, 11:20 AM

Yes but Fox News, which I also watch
here in the UK,
is taking it like he is a Dead Man Walking.
Why does Fox News not question Barrack on this - Live?

CNN gives a better angle

lostalex

06-12-2010, 11:24 AM

Yes but Fox News, which I also watch
here in the UK,
is taking it like he is a Dead Man Walking.
Why does Fox News not question Barrack on this - Live.

CNN gives a better angle

I don't watch any cable news, cnn, fox or msnbc. i've only been following this story on the guardian.

He's gone too far now. He's now released a specific list outlining all of the major targets to disable the US. No one can now say that this isn't an attack on the US.

Wikileaks has now released an actual list of targets against the US for terrorists. Can't wait to hear how Assange and his fat lawyer with bad hair is gonna justify this.

arista

06-12-2010, 12:14 PM

Yes until a Attack
though, nothing is being done.

The President needs to talk about this
or Fox News takes over

billy123

06-12-2010, 12:36 PM

Well i for one am glad to live in a democracy, where elected leaders are running the country, not some random dude from the internet.

If Dan Bull thinks he could do a better job, why isn't he running for public office?

I'm sick of all the people online, that have so much criticism, but do nothing about it. Why don't YOU try to run a country, see how easy the decisions seem then. Put YOUR name on the ballot then!

So many Monday morning quarterbacks.

We have the government that WE VOTED FOR. We live in democratic countries. The government is OF the people BY the people FOR the people. the government IS US. But so many people try to pretend they arn't accountable for their own government's actions.

people have no idea how hard it is to make these decisions. You are entrusted by the public to PROTECT them. You may think you know better, but you don't.

If you don't trust yur government, then DON'T ELECT THEM. Simple as that.
What utter shallow drivel the goverment are civil servants elected and employed by the public to represent the views of the majority of electorate.
It is the responsibility of the public to hold them to account for their policies and their actions and if you dont agree with them it is your responsibility to let them know and if need be vote for somebody else to replace them who you think will do a better job.

How can you make an informed decision on whether or not they are serving the people adequately and fairly when you condone them lying and hiding facts from the very people they represent.

You seem willing to go along with whatever your goverment decides is best for without even questioning them you come across as a sheep that wants to be herded without even wanting to know where you are being led that is scary and that is not democracy.

Who the hell said they wanted dan bull to lead the country? dont be stupid he is a musician who i said i agree with his views on wikileaks that is all.

edit:Oh i have just seen your location that explains a lot.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 12:42 PM

...and the fact that you judge someone based on where they live, explains everything I need to know about you.

Of course you don't have all the information available, we don't elect leaders based on their policies ONLY, we elect leaders based on their capability to make decisions on our behalf.

Those who voted for lib-dem didn't vote based on just their policies, they voted lib-dem because they trusted that specific candidate to make judgements.

This also plays into the student fee's debate, because all these people who voted lib-dem are complaining that the lib-dems arn't fullfilling their policy commitments, but you don't just vote for a politician for their policies, you vote for them entrusting them to make JUDGEMENTS on your behalf.

You choose a representative, not a policy.

You vote for a PERSON, not a policy.

Shasown

06-12-2010, 01:06 PM

You choose a representative, not a policy.

You vote for a PERSON, not a policy.

Thats not really true, a lot of voters on both sides of the Atlantic vote for the party, they have voted for all their lives. Be it Labour or Conservative. Democrat or Republican. Isnt that where the term dyed in the wool democrat comes from?

lostalex

06-12-2010, 01:13 PM

Thats not really true, a lot of voters on both sides of the Atlantic vote for the party, they have voted for all their lives. Be it Labour or Conservative. Democrat or Republican. Isnt that where the term dyed in the wool democrat comes from?

Well i can' speak for britain, but that's not an excuse here in America, because we have the Primaries, where you get to vote for who represents yur party. You don't just vote for the party candidates here in America, you first have to vote in the primaries, where you choose who will represent each party.

i'm not sure if Britain has any primary system or not, but eigther way, it should be clear that you are voting for a REPRESENTATIVE, it's an actual person! It's not just a gimme vote on any given issue, it's an ACTUAL PERSON, doing a job.

I think a lot of people don't seem to understand the democratic republic model.

Time to catch up on your Plato people. Stop playing the victim.

Shasown

06-12-2010, 01:22 PM

Well i can' speak for britain, but that's not an excuse here in America, because we have the Primaries, where you get to vote for who represents yur party. You don't just vote for the party candidates here in America, you first have to vote in the primaries, where you choose who will represent each party.

i'm not sure if Britain has any primary system or not, but eigther way, it should be clear that you are voting for a REPRESENTATIVE, it's an actual person! It's not just a gimme vote on any given issue, it's an ACTUAL PERSON, doing a job.

I think a lot of people don't seem to understand the democratic republic model.

Time to catch up on your Plato people. Stop playing the victim.

That is all well and good, but lets just say you were a democrat, they offer you three candidates in the run up to the primaries, you prefer candidate C, however candidate A gets the nomination, do you then not vote for him later in the election process?

lostalex

06-12-2010, 01:41 PM

That is all well and good, but lets just say you were a democrat, they offer you three candidates in the run up to the primaries, you prefer candidate C, however candidate A gets the nomination, do you then not vote for him later in the election process?

i think maybe you misunderstand how democracy works... the majority rules, that means you don't always get what you want!

Do you have a better system?

I voted for Hillary clinton in the primaries, but i was left with barack obama as my candidate. i had my say, and i didn't win, so then i had another chice, john mccain or barack obama. I chose barack obama, not because of his policies, but because i trusted his JUDGEMENT.

I disagree with the democratic party on many issues, I don't vote on party lines, some do, i don't.

I vote for the person I trust to make decisions on my behalf. Am i unusual? I hope not.

Shasown

06-12-2010, 01:52 PM

i think maybe you misunderstand how democracy works... the majority rules, that means you don't always get what you want!

Do you have a better system?

I know exactly how many democratic models work thank you very much. The democratic republic only being one model

I wish you would answer the point directly, do people always vote for the actual person as you suggested or as is often the case simply vote for the party they always have as I stated?

lostalex

06-12-2010, 01:56 PM

I know exactly how many democratic models work thank you very much. The democratic republic only being one model

I wish you would answer the point directly, do people always vote for the actual person as you suggested or as is often the case simply vote for the party they always have as I stated?

I can only speak for myself, and i've already explained my understanding of voting.
You vote for the person you want to represent yur interests. no?

If you are so oblivious to everything, thatyou simply check a box because it's the party yur parents voted for, then you deserve exactly what you get. Sounds like those epople don't put much effort into the process to begin with, so how can they comlpain.

If you don't like any of the candidates running, then why arn't you running?

lostalex

06-12-2010, 01:59 PM

OF the people BY the people FOR the people....that means YOU.

arista

06-12-2010, 02:07 PM

On the Internet
go to BBCRadio 5
Richard Bacon has the Fat Lawyer Stephens on his radio show soon.

Shasown

06-12-2010, 02:22 PM

I can only speak for myself, and i've already explained my understanding of voting.
You vote for the person you want to represent yur interests. no?

If you are so oblivious to everything, thatyou simply check a box because it's the party yur parents voted for, then you deserve exactly what you get. Sounds like those epople don't put much effort into the process to begin with, so how can they comlpain.

If you don't like any of the candidates running, then why arn't you running?

At the time of your original posting you hadnt explained your reasoning, you edited your post while I was writing and posting my last one. There are lots of people who do vote for a particular party because their families have always voted that way, if that suits them its fine after all its their vote.

People will always complain about politicians, policies etc because you simply cant please all the people all the time.

I never said I didnt like any of the candidates, running, I was merely pointing out that people dont always vote for the actual person as you stated. Even if I did dislike them all I couldnt run for public office for a variety of reasons.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 02:53 PM

I didn't mean you specifically, i just meant in general. If you can't find a candidate that serves yur interests then you gotta suck it up, cause more than likely it is someone that the rest of yur community does like. That's democracy.

Can't please all of the all of the people all of the time. (someone famous said that i think. lol)

arista

06-12-2010, 03:14 PM

On Radio 5 now
that fat lawyer is telling how Corrupt America is.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 03:44 PM

On Radio 5 now
that fat lawyer is telling how Corrupt America is.

of course he is, cause America is the big bad wolf. Even though most of the leaks make every other country look way more corrupt and insideous, it's still all about America.

That's Julian's whole schtick, is trying to make it about America. Cause if these were leaks from any other country, no one would give a flying flip.

If these were 250,000 documents from the New Zealand government, no one would give a toss.

He knows he has to make it about America, to get anyone to pay attention, cause that's all he really cares about, having people pay attention to him.

He's a flippin superstar don't you know? He's the new christ.... in his own mind.

What a complete sociopath.

arista

06-12-2010, 04:19 PM

A Warrent for the Arrest of him has now arrived in UK,
this is over the Euro Sex Case.

Will his Fat Lawyer give him up?

SkyNewsHD

Shasown

06-12-2010, 04:38 PM

Can't please all of the people all of the time. (someone famous said that i think. lol)

Yeah me. In the post above the one I have quoted.

Some claim it was Abe Lincoln, you may have heard of him, he is reported to have said "you can fool all/most of the people some of the time...." etc.

The please all the people line was in one of John Lydgates works. Though some sources claim its originally from PT Barnum the circus owner of Barnum and Bailey fame. Its also in one of Mark Twains(Samuel Longhorn Clemens) books as well I believe.

Shasown

06-12-2010, 04:44 PM

of course he is, cause America is the big bad wolf. Even though most of the leaks make every other country look way more corrupt and insideous, it's still all about America.

That's Julian's whole schtick, is trying to make it about America. Cause if these were leaks from any other country, no one would give a flying flip.

If these were 250,000 documents from the New Zealand government, no one would give a toss.

He knows he has to make it about America, to get anyone to pay attention, cause that's all he really cares about, having people pay attention to him.

He's a flippin superstar don't you know? He's the new christ.... in his own mind.

What a complete sociopath.

Gosh you dont suppose its all about America because the documents were from US sources, you know US diplomatic and US Intelligence assessments. They were US in origin, shared internally with the the US afministration, military and intelligence communities. Most were marked as being NORORN which means NO Foreign Nationals are to have access.

As for the content of the documents, of course they are going to point out the weaknesses and flaws in other countries administrations, except a lot of the flaws they point out are simply the opinions of the originating officers. Saying that though the documents didnt come from other countries like New Zealand or any other minor little country like Britain did they?

Exposing a flaw in the US system of open access to all information, between co operating departments of the US Administration?

lostalex

06-12-2010, 04:48 PM

Gosh you dont suppose its all about America because the documents were from US sources, you know US diplomatic and US Intelligence assessments.

Exposing a flaw in the US system of open access to all information, between co operating departments of the US Administration?

And in case you don't know, wikileaks has been around for quite a while, and it was only when he started focusing on America that he got news coverage. Oh whoa, what a shocker, now wikileaks is all about America, in fact they deleted all their other leaks from the past 4 years, and now the entire wikileaks site is ALL America leaks..

GEEE i wonder why???? so curious. *rolls eyes*

Shasown

06-12-2010, 05:13 PM

And in case you don't know, wikileaks has been around for quite a while, and it was only when he started focusing on America that he got news coverage. Oh whoa, what a shocker, now wikileaks is all about America, in fact they deleted all their other leaks from the past 4 years, and now the entire wikileaks site is ALL America leaks..

GEEE i wonder why???? so curious. *rolls eyes*

Thats not strictly true, in fact its complete and utter bollocks all previous leaked documents are available for download in an archived form.

Due to recent attacks on our infrastructure, we've decided to make sure everyone can reach our content. As part of this process we're releasing archived copy of all files we ever released - that's almost 20,000 files. The archive linked here contains a torrent generated for each file and each directory.

The site itself claims this is because they have come under attack from "various" sources no doubt american in origin.

Consequently to ensure the site stays online they have removed other pages etc, so as to tighten the sites security and reduce the ability of hackers to take it down, and they now have the site set over a variety of mirrors etc

lostalex

06-12-2010, 05:16 PM

how convenient.

i am a cannibal! :devil:

*dances to the new ke$ha album.*

Ke$ha > wikileaks imho. :dance:

Shasown

06-12-2010, 05:29 PM

how convenient.

i am a cannibal! :devil:

*dances to the new ke$ha album.*

Ke$ha > wikileaks imho. :dance:

Of course Ke$ha is, you are no doubt a patriotic US citizen, therefore even Satan > wikileaks

lostalex

06-12-2010, 05:48 PM

What a rude thing to say.

Apologize please.

Shaun

06-12-2010, 06:00 PM

Have to agree with that ^

edit: oops, for some reason the last post to me appeared to be lostalex's "don't elect them" post

arista

06-12-2010, 06:09 PM

Scotland Yard have the Swedish Arrest Warrent
and his location in known to some.

The Bloated BBC just said he has a laptop
and a bag and is moving around.

They could arrest his Fat lawyer for not giving him up
unless they are scared of doing that?

lostalex

06-12-2010, 06:12 PM

You guys have to listen to "Blow" by Ke$ha, it's the *******ing JAm!

it's *******ing hot even if you don't have any blow. trust me! it's insane.

F0MP42yLDAQ

if you can't dance to that, then you can't dance.

Shasown

06-12-2010, 06:16 PM

What a rude thing to say.

Apologize please.

After the garbage you have posted? I dont think so.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 06:20 PM

After the garbage you have posted? I dont think so.

i guess i'm forced to rise above then.

*rises*

i'm floating biatchhhh :D

Shasown

06-12-2010, 06:29 PM

i guess i'm forced to rise above then.

*rises*

i'm floating biatchhhh :D

Yep I reckon you are.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 06:37 PM

is that reference to fecal matter? you are so crass.

are you scottish?

Shasown

06-12-2010, 06:44 PM

is that reference to fecal matter? you are so crass.

are you scottish?

I just love the way you try to insult me without knowing to what I was referring. Typical pig ignorant yank, engaging mouth before brain.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 06:56 PM

I just love the way you try to insult me without knowing to what I was referring. Typical pig ignorant yank, engaging mouth before brain.

ok. but am i right?

Shasown

06-12-2010, 07:13 PM

ok. but am i right?

Nope.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 07:19 PM

liar.

Shasown

06-12-2010, 07:28 PM

liar.

If you say so, anyways you are slightly off topic here.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 07:34 PM

Oh my bad. i guess the topic is "yank" bashing.

damn americans, so arrogant, think they rule the world, and have no sense of irony!

damn them all to hell.

arista

06-12-2010, 07:42 PM

Oh my bad. i guess the topic is "yank" bashing.

damn americans, so arrogant, think they rule the world, and have no sense of irony!

damn them all to hell.

No its about America
and the Wiki Man - who is now being chased by Scotland Yard.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 07:47 PM

No its about America
and the Wiki Man - who is now being chased by Scotland Yard.

Does Scotland Yard have the appropriate water boarding facilities? if not, i've heard of a fantastic place in Cuba i can highly recommend :)

arista

06-12-2010, 07:51 PM

Does Scotland Yard have the appropriate water boarding facilities? if not, i've heard of a fantastic place in Cuba i can highly recommend :)

No they have the Swedish Arrest Warrant
that is all.

I did this thread for you and California
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168540

Shasown

06-12-2010, 07:54 PM

Does Scotland Yard have the appropriate water boarding facilities? if not, i've heard of a fantastic place in Cuba i can highly recommend :)

If only we could....

If anyone thought there was any chance of that sort of thing, the human rights brigade would ensure he stayed in the UK, cant infringe on his human rights can we, regardless of what happens due to his ego.

lostalex

06-12-2010, 07:59 PM

he's a GOD apparently, so human rights don't apply :thumbs:

letmein

07-12-2010, 03:36 PM

On Radio 5 now
that fat lawyer is telling how Corrupt America is.

Like we needed him to tell us that? The leaked cables make everyone look bad. However, America has been putting the most pressure on countries to come up with some sort of charge against, Assange. It wasn't until he said that they were next going to start releasing stuff on the banks, which also means Wall Street, that people stood up and took notice. They have been more proactive at catching Assange, rather than Osama bin Laden. I wonder why.

Assange's charge all has to do with the fact that the woman charging him is saying that the condom broke. It's a phony lawsuit.

arista

07-12-2010, 03:40 PM

He has no bail yet.

The judge is Holding onto him.

Meanwhile Crazy Yanks are saying
he should be killed.

arista

07-12-2010, 03:54 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/07/article-1336415-0C629CE2000005DC-866_634x423.jpg

The Lawyer talking to the Press.

Some Stupid Yanks on Fox News - think they can get him taken to America
they do not even tell there viewers what the real reason
he is being held for.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/07/article-1336415-0C5E6E5F000005DC-341_634x734.jpg

arista

07-12-2010, 07:11 PM

Shasown

07-12-2010, 08:22 PM

The Lawyer is now Live on Ch4News
he does not see why his man
is now in Wandsworth Prison.

John Snow
was alarmed at Stephens saying 'Darker Forces'

The Lawyer thinks it is Political.

On America they seem to skip why he is there
and think its a Arrest for them?

It is an arrest for them, the judge who initially dropped the charges against was leaned on by a highly placed politician and the number of charges was increased, reinstalling the originals plus.

Wouldnt surprise me if he does get extradited to Sweden, he finds himself being extradited to the states.

arista

07-12-2010, 09:45 PM

It is an arrest for them, the judge who initially dropped the charges against was leaned on by a highly placed politician and the number of charges was increased, reinstalling the originals plus.

Wouldnt surprise me if he does get extradited to Sweden, he finds himself being extradited to the states.

But Sweden says no Yank deal?

Shasown

08-12-2010, 02:10 PM

But Sweden says no Yank deal?

Yeah and all politicians and lawyers always tell the truth.

It also gives the US time to scour both their laws and ours and put together a case for the UK to extradite him directly to the US over Sweden, we do have an expedited extradition treaty with the US, which they will probably use to claim him.

The US UK Treaty is very one sided in their favour and allows them to apply for extradition to the US for crimes against US Law even though they were committed elsewhere, and the level of proof for them to apply is significantly lower than we would need to apply for them to extradite someone in the US to us.

They have a minimum of just under a week to sort something out either with us or the Swedes. He isnt going anywhere which will please the Yanks as they were panicking that he may skip to a country without an extradition treaty with them should they decide to prosecute.

arista

08-12-2010, 11:10 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week2/15850310.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week2/15850311.jpg

The Fight is still Cooking.

billy123

09-12-2010, 01:50 AM

Only three days ago it was claimed that wikileaks were teetering on the edge of being shutdown after being forced to move to the pirate party host now only days later time are reporting that wikileaks is now being hosted by 507 hosts spread all over the world.

source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2035817,00.html

In addition to that the site is also being mirrored by a further 1334 sites from every corner of the globe.
http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html

Wikileaks just became untouchable.

arista

09-12-2010, 01:11 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/09/article-1336806-0C69436D000005DC-341_306x350.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/09/article-1336806-0C4EA6AC000005DC-677_634x541.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/09/article-1336806-00B8E955000004B0-266_634x421.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/09/article-1336806-0C6945C6000005DC-676_634x286.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/09/article-1336806-0C67089F000005DC-806_634x320.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/09/article-1336806-0C365667000005DC-632_296x373.jpg

Its all getting out of hand.
Credit Card Hacking - not nice.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1336806/Army-hackers-targets-Sarah-Palin-Swedish-government-credit-card-giants-WikiLeaks-Operation-Payback.html

billy123

09-12-2010, 08:49 PM

And so the battle begins.
http://www.awn.com/olddocs/vmag/issue10.12/10.12images/bielik03-VForVendetta.jpg

arista

09-12-2010, 09:29 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/09/article-1337212-0C69EF98000005DC-748_634x395.jpg
Down Under in Brisbane

arista

09-12-2010, 10:29 PM

Operation Payback fails to take down Amazon com in WikiLeaks revenge attack

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2010/12/9/1291920982345/Amazon.com-006.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/09/operation-payback-wikileaks-anonymous

billy123

10-12-2010, 12:00 AM

Mahatma Gandhi. “He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither”
YI6Gc5TURnU

http://files.hl2forums.com/uploads/1e55b2e_JS_LOIC_v0_1.htm

billy123

10-12-2010, 09:02 AM

One of the most revealing releases and shows of US arrogance towards other nations so far for me.

The US kidnap an innocent German citizen whose name just happens to be the same as a wanted terrorist, he is subject to rendition to the middle east where he is tortured and sodomized by his torturers and then eventually - when the US finally work out that he is not the man they want - he is dumped by the roadside in Albania.

The US government then appies political pressure to the German government not to arrest the CIA operatives responsible for this crime and even a country as rich and powerful as Germany bows down and does nothing to protect its citizens.

This case – regarding Khaled El Masari is well known in Germany – read about it here.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/us-pressured-germany-not-prosecute-cia-officers-torture-and-rendition

Given how the US government arranges the torture of innocent people and then pressures the German government to do nothing to the prepetrators, anyone who thinks the arrest and detention of Julian Assange for "holding a person down forcefully with his arms" and failing to use a condom during consensual intercourse is not politically motivated is a naive fool.

I hope the Swedish people hold their government to account. Try Assagne on the charges in Sweden by all means, but do not allow his extradition to America where he will become a political prisoner subject to torture and possibly even execution.

arista

10-12-2010, 11:29 AM

Yes America
does not want this info public.

Until Barrack says what he wants in Law
it is never ending flow.

lostalex

11-12-2010, 11:38 AM

One of the most revealing releases and shows of US arrogance towards other nations so far for me.

The US kidnap an innocent German citizen whose name just happens to be the same as a wanted terrorist, he is subject to rendition to the middle east where he is tortured and sodomized by his torturers and then eventually - when the US finally work out that he is not the man they want - he is dumped by the roadside in Albania.

The US government then appies political pressure to the German government not to arrest the CIA operatives responsible for this crime and even a country as rich and powerful as Germany bows down and does nothing to protect its citizens.

This case – regarding Khaled El Masari is well known in Germany – read about it here.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/us-pressured-germany-not-prosecute-cia-officers-torture-and-rendition

There is no evidence for this case at all. You do know that arabs have been trained to LIE and fabricate stories as propaganda against the US, right?

Terrorists learn how to exagerate stories and make themselves into victims as a form of propaganda. It's well known. Just like they know to hide behind women and children, so when they are attacked, they use them as human shields, so that it makes America look bad. They want as many civilian casualties as possible.

You are incredibly naive if you believe the word of an arab over the word of an American.

Shasown

11-12-2010, 12:30 PM

There is no evidence for this case at all. You do know that arabs have been trained to LIE and fabricate stories as propaganda against the US, right?

Terrorists learn how to exagerate stories and make themselves into victims as a form of propaganda. It's well known. Just like they know to hide behind women and children, so when they are attacked, they use them as human shields, so that it makes America look bad. They want as many civilian casualties as possible.

You are incredibly naive if you believe the word of an arab over the word of an American.

No I think it is you who are deluded, did you read the link posted?

Are you saying the document is not from the person stated about this case?

The document, a 2007 cable from the U.S. Embassy in Berlin, describes a meeting during which the then-deputy chief of the U.S. mission to Germany, John M. Koenig, urged German officials to "weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S." of issuing international arrest warrants in the El-Masri case

Rendition type flights have been used for over 30 years. Prior to persons of Middle Eastern origin, it used to be Latin Americans who copped a free ride on CIA airlines.

lostalex

11-12-2010, 02:01 PM

Shasown

11-12-2010, 05:50 PM

Yea, against terrorists who harmed national interests. What's wrong with that?

Just cause there isn't enuf evidence to convict them in a court of law, doesn't mean they are innocent. That's all i'm saying. the terrorists are well trained about our justice system, and know how to manipulate it to their advantage.

Errr no the Central and South American citizens that flew with your delightful intelligence chappies included left wing politicians, political activists and some criminals including Drug Lords etc.

Hardly out to blow up the White House. But hey they really did threaten Moms Apple Pie and the American way of life eh?

Snaked Worm

13-12-2010, 08:33 AM

lostalex

14-12-2010, 03:14 PM

The american response is frankly embarrassing and shameful and the fact that some try and defend it is a sign of how institutionalised they have become its almost like they accept being kept almost like pets or children and told what is good for them.

The releases are hardly earth shattering so far we all knew how overbearing,deceptive,controlling and arrogant the american goverment were.

The big difference now is they cant pretend otherwise anymore they were frankly stupid to think they could rule the world and make no mistake thats the illusion that they have been under for many years now.

Piss off america you might be able to keep the majority of your own country ignorant to the opinion of the rest of the world but thats where it ends.

The fifth reich just fell on its arse.

And you can piss off with yur socialist ostrich-head-in-the-sand APPEASEMENT strategies that lead you into 2 world wars that AMERICA had to bail you out of.

You're lucky your'e so profitable to us. Make sure that doesn't change, for your own sake.

And stop crying every time Obama doesn't give you enuf attention. "wahhh obama returned winston churchill's bust, wahhh obama gave Brown a bunch of DVD's, WAHHH America doesn't love us anymore!"

And i wonder why....???

Grow the eff up Europe, srsly.

Shasown

14-12-2010, 03:33 PM

And you can piss off with yur socialist ostrich-head-in-the-sand APPEASEMENT strategies that lead you into 2 world wars that AMERICA had to bail you out of.

You're lucky your'e so profitable to us. Make sure that doesn't change, for your own sake.

And stop crying every time Obama doesn't give you enuf attention. "wahhh obama returned winston churchill's bust, wahhh obama gave Brown a bunch of DVD's, WAHHH America doesn't love us anymore!"

And i wonder why....???

Grow the eff up Europe, srsly.

I would recommend you find a good unbiased book or internet site on history and read up on both world wars if I was you before making such rash claims.

Otherwise you will only make yourself look like an ignorant spam who thinks the universe revolves around the US.....

OOops that warning came a little late.

Soooooooorrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy.

You didnt bother replying to the party invite till you knew which way the party was going in the first one.

The second one was won by the Russians not you, you helped us a little bit is all. Purely out of self interest. Thats why you stayed off the mainland of Europe till Germany had all but spent itself against the Soviets.

You should also remember that soon you wont be THE major player in world politics or that big a player in world economics.

Oooops again too late.

arista

14-12-2010, 03:35 PM

Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks has been released on bail with strict conditions.

He is out now and can now speed up more leaks.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-Is-Released-On-Bail-With-Strict-Conditions/Article/201012215853688?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15853688_WikiLeaks%3A_Julian_Assange_I s_Released_On_Bail_With_Strict_Conditions

Shasown

14-12-2010, 03:52 PM

arista

14-12-2010, 04:43 PM

They have to pay £240,000
to the court , no cheque.

A Nightclub owner
has given the court a London address for Assange.

The Lawyer has just said Live
they have put the begging bowl out
to get that high cash amount.

Sweden has put in a appeal
but since he has a place to stay
its though he should still be out on bail.

arista

14-12-2010, 04:48 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/14/article-1338468-0C7B1562000005DC-968_634x363.jpg

International media mingle police and protesters outside court

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338468/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-gets-240k-bail-Swedish-court-block-release.html#ixzz186bQIguM

arista

14-12-2010, 05:39 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/14/article-1338468-0C7B7090000005DC-734_634x357.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/14/article-1338468-0C7B5F3E000005DC-247_634x335.jpg

arista

14-12-2010, 05:43 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week2/15853397.jpg

Shasown

14-12-2010, 06:38 PM

arista

14-12-2010, 06:59 PM

"No mate he stays in custody until a review of the Swedish appeal details has been completed."

Yes I know that
but I am sure he should be Free
after that review is done
and now he has a Local Place to stay.

Last time giving a PO box number
from Down Under - was silly.

arista

15-12-2010, 10:09 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week2/15854725.jpg

Tomorrow is the day he fins out if Sweden has Won.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 08:33 AM

Shasown

16-12-2010, 09:05 AM

What julian assange raping 2 women in Sweden has to do with the US, i have no idea.

If the USA had as much power as you all seem to think we do, you'd already be dead.

Basically al the furore has shown about the US so far is that, wow, the US is serious about all the things it's always said it was serious about. Wow, the US is concerned about terrorists?? NEWSFLASH! Wow, the Us is interested in promoting US business?? NEWSFLASH! Wow the US acts in the interests of it's own people first??? NEWSFLASH!

Ever heard of the phrase "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat"?

Incidentally I would recommend looking up the facts before making stupid comments.

Loved this line "Wow, the US is concerned about terrorists?? " you should do comedy. Isnt it funny how America didnt give a toss about terrorism when it was occuring to their friends and allies in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's? Strange that one aint it?

arista

16-12-2010, 09:10 AM

It is Not Rape.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 09:57 AM

Ever heard of the phrase "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat"?

Incidentally I would recommend looking up the facts before making stupid comments.

Loved this line "Wow, the US is concerned about terrorists?? " you should do comedy. Isnt it funny how America didnt give a toss about terrorism when it was occuring to their friends and allies in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's? Strange that one aint it?

I OBVIOSLY meant terrorism that effects white Americans, DUHHH.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 09:59 AM

It is Not Rape.

That's for a court in Sweden to decide.

Shasown

16-12-2010, 12:36 PM

That's for a court in Sweden to decide.

Indeed it is that is why you shouldnt say

What julian assange raping 2 women in Sweden has to do with the US, i have no idea.

You know Innocent till proven guilty - Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (Burden of proof and all that).

After handing himself in to police he was arrested on suspicion of commiting sexual offences in Sweden.

Incidentally he is only wanted for questioning in Sweden, as for the rape allegations its interesting to note earlier this year the Swedish Chief Prosecutor withdrew international arrest warrants stating "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape"

Got to love this comment from the gobsh1te who wants to be the first female President - Palin has said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange should be hunted down in the way armed forces are targeting the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. I would love to see her in full PMS flow with her finger on the nuke button.

Its also interesting to note that after the issue of the "interpol red notice" (request to locate) Assange offered to meet with Swedish Prosecutors in either London or Sweden provided they furnished him with details of the alleged offences and statements against him in a language he understood(English) The Swedish Prosecution Service refused.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 01:04 PM

Sarah Palin is NO ONE. She has no political office, she has no power At ALL in America. Right now, the only job she has is reality TV star.

She has no more power than Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton or any other reality TV star.

arista

16-12-2010, 01:31 PM

lostalex

16-12-2010, 01:37 PM

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/WikiLeaks-Assange-Julian-Assange-Granted-Bail-At-High-Court-Pending-Extradition-Moves/Article/201012315856590?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15856590_WikiLeaks%2C_Assange%3A_Julia n_Assange_Granted_Bail_At_High_Court_Pending_Extra dition_Moves

Yes he is now on bail.

why doesn't he just voluntarily go back to sweden to face the charges if he has nothing to hide??? why is he fighting extradition?? the swedes have already said that they have not been influenced by the USA at all.

If he was a man that believes in transparency and justice, he'd go to Sweden and face the charges like a man.

But instead he's hiding behind Wikileaks as an excuse for raping 2 women. He thinks because he's a co-founder of Wikileaks he's ABOVE justice.

He wants "star" treatment. He thinks he can get away with it because he's a "celebrity" now.

arista

16-12-2010, 01:54 PM

He will go to Sweden
but not at this Time.

He has more Important Attacks on the Yanks to Do.

Feel The Force.

arista

16-12-2010, 01:57 PM

"the swedes have already said that they have not been influenced by the USA at all."

Of course they will say that.
But No one in the UK trusts the Swedes.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 01:57 PM

He will go to Sweden
but not at this Time.

He has more Important Attacks on the Yanks to Do.

Feel The Force.

IC ...so you admit he's simply a racist with an agenda. SHOCKING!!!! not.

arista

16-12-2010, 02:00 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/16/article-1339101-0C810356000005DC-202_634x821.jpg

Going into the Court

arista

16-12-2010, 02:02 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/16/article-1339101-0C818809000005DC-658_634x403.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/16/article-1339101-0C7F1FEB000005DC-754_634x377.jpg
Bail bolthole: Julian Assange will be a guest at Ellingham Hall, a 10-bedroom mansion in Norfolk

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339101/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-heading-Christmas-country-mansion-given-bail.html#ixzz18Hckzt24

lostalex

16-12-2010, 02:03 PM

Not so full of yourself now Julian are you??? looks like yur almost as helpless as the women you abused.

Nice to see justice in action.

arista

16-12-2010, 02:03 PM

IC ...so you admit he's simply a racist with an agenda. SHOCKING!!!! not.

No he is putting out Corruptions
from America and other Nations.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 02:04 PM

No he is putting out Corruptions
from America and other Nations.
"Other nations" ?? you mean ALL nations????

arista

16-12-2010, 02:06 PM

Other nations?? you mean ALL nations????

Yes the Corrupt Dealers with America,
even our former corrupt stinking new labour party.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 02:07 PM

Yes the Corrupt Dealers with America,
even our former corrupt stinking new labour party.

name a single country less "corrupt" than America. Just one.

arista

16-12-2010, 02:20 PM

name a single country less "corrupt" than America. Just one.

New Zealand.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 02:27 PM

New Zealand.

prove it.

oh that's right you can't, because you don't have a quarter of a million secret leaked documents from the NZ embassy do you?

Shasown

16-12-2010, 05:31 PM

name a single country less "corrupt" than America. Just one.

look at a map of the world and stick your finger on any country other than the US.

Representative Rangel, Judge Porteus, The Plame Affair, Special Advisor Rove, The White House email scandal under Bush, Kyle, Foggo, Randy Cunningham, The Yellowcake Forgeries. Waterboarding, Payments to columnists under Bush. The Bush Six, Stevens, Rengi, Abramoff, Enron, Whitewater, Lawyergate, Babbett, Pardongate, Iran Contra, Weinberger, Housing and Urban Development Scandal, Westech, Savings and Loans. and thats just scratching the surface.

Yeah you lot are squeaky *********g clean.

arista

16-12-2010, 05:59 PM

He has walked out of the Court House.

Live on SkyNewsHD,
CNN
France24 News

lostalex

16-12-2010, 06:05 PM

look at a map of the world and stick your finger on any country other than the US.

Representative Rangel, Judge Porteus, The Plame Affair, Special Advisor Rove, The White House email scandal under Bush, Kyle, Foggo, Randy Cunningham, The Yellowcake Forgeries. Waterboarding, Payments to columnists under Bush. The Bush Six, Stevens, Rengi, Abramoff, Enron, Whitewater, Lawyergate, Babbett, Pardongate, Iran Contra, Weinberger, Housing and Urban Development Scandal, Westech, Savings and Loans. and thats just scratching the surface.

Yeah you lot are squeaky *********g clean.

thank you for proving my point... even whn i SPECIFICALLY ask for an example of a country cleaner than the US, you still have nothing to say but about the US, BECAUSE you don't have any dirt on other countries, you only have dirt on us, why?? because we're the only country you care about tearing apart, cause yur a xenophobic, anti-america, jerk.

MOST of the information you use against the US, is information released BY the US and BY Americans... yet you DARE claim that WE are not transparent???

America is the most self-critcal country on the planet. Most of the crp i hear from youguys is crap micheal mooore, an AMERICAN exposed about us. America is the nly country on the plaet to be so self-critical.

Easy target i guess for those looking for a scape-goat. WOW, look, here's a scapegoat, and unlike russia or china, or the EU, they provide all the DATA for us, and we don't have to do any work of our own!! how convenient!.

What other country analyzes itself more than the USA?? none.

arista

16-12-2010, 06:11 PM

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg612/scaled.php?tn=0&server=612&filename=5v6ga.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Talking to the World Press
a few mins ago.

Free and out on Bail.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/12/16/1292523083496/Julian-Assanges-release-o-007.jpg

lostalex

16-12-2010, 06:16 PM

good for him. I hope he doesn't flee trying to escape justice for his sex crimes. Those 2 women deserve to have their day in court just as he has.

Shasown

16-12-2010, 06:20 PM

thank you for proving my point... even whn i SPECIFICALLY ask for an example of a country cleaner than the US, you still have nothing to say but about the US, BECAUSE you don't have any dirt on other countries, you only have dirt on us, why?? because we're the only country you care about tearing apart, cause yur a xenophobic, anti-america, jerk.

MOST of the information you use against the US, is information released BY the US and BY Americans... yet you DARE claim that WE are not transparent???

America is the most self-critcal country on the planet. Most of the crp i hear from youguys is crap micheal mooore, an AMERICAN exposed about us. America is the nly country on the plaet to be so self-critical.

Easy target i guess for those looking for a scape-goat. WOW, look, here's a scapegoat, and unlike russia or china, or the EU, they provide all the DATA for us, and we don't have to do any work of our own!! how convenient!.

What other country analyzes itself more than the USA?? none.

Xenophobic, anti american? Not at all, I quite like Canadians, Mexicans Belizeans Guatemalans, Hondurans Cubans etc etc etc. Fact of the matter is the US is corrupt, more corrupt than most other nations.

Read through that list again numbnuts, think you will see a few examples where prosecutions etc were not forthcoming or investigations were deliberately hampered, swayed or even stopped to prevent the real truth coming out.

Incidentally its not as if the information was released as you infer, more they couldnt cover it up

You make yourselves targets not scapegoats by putting yourselves up on those pedestals.

Too easy really.

Analyzes? You really are fixated with that aint you?

Shasown

16-12-2010, 06:23 PM

good for him. I hope he doesn't flee trying to escape justice for his sex crimes. Those 2 women deserve to have their day in court just as he has.

So good you understand the situation.

He is undergoing extradition proceedings so the Swedish police can question him.

What crimes has he committed?

lostalex

16-12-2010, 06:28 PM

Xenophobic, anti american? Not at all, I quite like Canadians, Mexicans Belizeans Guatemalans, Hondurans Cubans etc etc etc. Fact of the matter is the US is corrupt, more corrupt than most other nations.

Read through that list again numbnuts, think you will see a few examples where prosecutions etc were not forthcoming or investigations were deliberately hampered, swayed or even stopped to prevent the real truth coming out.

Incidentally its not as if the information was released as you infer, more they couldnt cover it up

You make yourselves targets not scapegoats by putting yourselves up on those pedestals.

Too easy really.

Analyzes? You really are fixated with that aint you?

Orly? you like canadians?? You do know that canadians are larger carbon emitters than americans right? you do know that canadians have more guns per capita than americans right? why don't you take a look at the percentage of first nations (Native Canadian) people in canadian prisons compared to the percentages of white canadians... really? you like Cubans?? so i guess you like a dicatorship that imprisons all forms of political opposition then.. wow, yur a real fan of some **** that i bet you'd be pretty quick to jump on the USA for.

Thank you for proving my point.

Shasown

16-12-2010, 06:34 PM

Orly? you like canadians?? You do know that canadians are larger carbon emitters than americans right? you do know that canadians have more guns per capita than americans right? why don't you take a look at the percentage of first nations (Native Canadian) people in canadian prisons compared to the percentages of white canadians... really? you like Cubans?? so i guess you like a dicatorship that imprisons all forms of political opposition then.. wow, yur a real fan of some **** that i bet you'd be pretty quick to jump on the USA for.

Thank you for proving my point.

Your logic like your facts is inaccurate and unreliable.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 06:35 PM

Your logic like your facts is inaccurate and unreliable.

google it. i only speak the truth.

Shasown

16-12-2010, 06:46 PM

google it. i only speak the truth.

Yeah?

Course you do, go back a few posts and see what you posted about Assange.

Didnt the US Supreme Court say a person is presumed innocent till guilt is proven?

lostalex

16-12-2010, 06:49 PM

Yeah?

Course you do, go back a few posts and see what you posted about Assange.

Didnt the US Supreme Court say a person is presumed innocent till guilt is proven?

Ummmm... what do the laws of the USA have to do with a trial in the UK? The US supreme court upholds the Constitution of the United States of America, and the Constitution of the USA only protects US citizens. Not Aussies in UK prisons facing sex crimes charges in Sweden.

arista

16-12-2010, 06:56 PM

good for him. I hope he doesn't flee trying to escape justice for his sex crimes. Those 2 women deserve to have their day in court just as he has.

Of course he will not Flee.

That case in Sweden is not so simple,
infact it was Dropped.

But then the Evil Yanks Contacted Sweden
to get them to be the Yank poodle.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 07:06 PM

Of course he will not Flee.

That case in Sweden is not so simple,
infact it was Dropped.

But then the Evil Yanks Contacted Sweden
to get them to be the Yank poodle.

Why is it when you say "yank" it sounds like the equivalent of the 'N" word???
Do you realize how xenophobic you sound??

i think you do.

Shasown

16-12-2010, 07:22 PM

Ummmm... what do the laws of the USA have to do with a trial in the UK? The US supreme court upholds the Constitution of the United States of America, and the Constitution of the USA only protects US citizens. Not Aussies in UK prisons facing sex crimes charges in Sweden.

It isnt anything to do with the Constitution of the US.

Its not a trial in the UK.

And he isnt currently facing any charges, he is wanted for questioning.

As accurate as always.

arista

16-12-2010, 07:23 PM

Why is it when you say "yank" it sounds like the equivalent of the 'N" word???
Do you realize how xenophobic you sound??

i think you do.

No

I have been in America they called my a Limmey.
I call Americans Yanks.
It is no Problem.

arista

16-12-2010, 07:26 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/16/article-1339101-0C82D1EE000005DC-164_634x308.jpg

He was just Driven away in a Tough Range Rover.

Outside that Court many
said that they fear he will be shot dead be a Hired Hit Man.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 07:27 PM

No

I have been in America they called my a Limmey.
I call Americans Yanks.
It is no Problem.

i really can't imagine any american calling you "limey" in the way that you are saying "yank". I think you know exactly what your doing, and i wish you'd stop.

arista

16-12-2010, 07:30 PM

i really can't imagine any american calling you "limey" in the way that you are saying "yank". I think you know exactly what your doing, and i wish you'd stop.

Loads called me it.

The yank word is used by many members
this is a British Site

lostalex

16-12-2010, 07:32 PM

It isnt anything to do with the Constitution of the US.

Its not a trial in the UK.

And he isnt currently facing any charges, he is wanted for questioning.

As accurate as always.

my bad, "hearing" in the UK, better??

i'm still waiting to hear yur explaination as to what the US constitution has to do with any of this. you brought it up. you said the US justice system is obligated to presume innocence, and guilt must be proven..... how does any of this have anything to do with the US justice system??

lostalex

16-12-2010, 07:35 PM

Loads called me it.

The yank word is used by many members
this is a British Site

yea but none seem to use it in quite the same way you're using it. and you are well aware of the difference. It may be a British site, but the rules of this BRITISH site also require you to be respectful of other members.

arista

16-12-2010, 07:49 PM

yea but none seem to use it in quite the same way you're using it. and you are well aware of the difference. It may be a British site, but the rules of this BRITISH site also require you to be respectful of other members.

Yes I like you.

Shasown

16-12-2010, 09:00 PM

my bad, "hearing" in the UK, better??

i'm still waiting to hear yur explaination as to what the US constitution has to do with any of this. you brought it up. you said the US justice system is obligated to presume innocence, and guilt must be proven..... how does any of this have anything to do with the US justice system??

As I said it isnt a right based in the constitution, its a right passed down by tradition, it originates from English Common Law and has the same standing over there as it does over here. It was a Supreme Court ruling in the 1890's

In fact a lot of European countries have the same ruling, the burden of proof being with the accusor.

In Assange's case complaint were made then withdrawn and later investigations were reinstigated, amusingly enough shortly after he disclosed he intended to publish certain US documents, I suppose that could be coincidence, eh?

The Swedish police wanted to speak to him over the allegations, he volunteered to surrender himself to them for questioning provided they disclosed all pertinent information they had in advance so he would be able to defend himself against the allegations.

The Swedish Police refused to do that and issued a European Arrest Warrant for his extradition to Sweden, he surrendered to the British Police before any sort of arrest warrant was issued in the UK. Hardly the actions of a guilty man.

Yet you insist he has committed crimes. What proof are you privy to the rest of us are not?

Interestingly enough Sweden hasnt as yet charged Mr Assange with anything and as such the arrest warrant issued isnt worth the paper it was printed on. The European arrest warrant should, by law, be used only to prosecute or to enforce a sentence. Serious though the allegations may be, there is no basis to extradite Mr Assange, unless for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution.

The Swedish Prosecution Service through the government has now made formal extradition application so he can be interviewed.

A hammer versus nut situation really when the Swedish police could simply ask the British police to interview him and take a statement, or they could send Swedish police over to interview him, and then determine whether to charge him.

So who or what are pulling the strings of the Swedish?

yea but none seem to use it in quite the same way you're using it. and you are well aware of the difference. It may be a British site, but the rules of this BRITISH site also require you to be respectful of other members.

Respect is a two way street.

lostalex

16-12-2010, 09:46 PM

As I said it isnt a right based in the constitution, its a right passed down by tradition, it originates from English Common Law and has the same standing over there as it does over here. It was a Supreme Court ruling in the 1890's

That's not what you said at all. you can re-read what you said easily within this thread. Now you're just blatantly lying, you said nothing of the kind.

And on yur second point, i have shown no disrespect to anyone.

I have simply defended the US from many accusations in this thread, and let's remember, there is ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION to the USA AT ALL in the charges against Julian Assange The USA has absolutely NOTHING to do with his legal troubles.

I seem to be the only one in this thread thinking about the rights of the WOMEN who have been abused by this man, this megolomaniac. This sociopathic man ho was unheard of 3 weeks ago, these charges were laid against him by 2 women, long before anyone in America, or the UK had ever even heard his name before.

Let these women have their day in court! you are so focused on the rights of Julian Assange, what about the rights of these women that have been assaulted??

Considering Europe continues to sheild the child rapist Roman Polanski, it's no surprise Europe continues to protect sex criminals in this way.

Misogynist Europe must CHANGE.

Shasown

16-12-2010, 10:15 PM

That's not what you said at all. you can re-read what you said easily within this thread. Now you're just blatantly lying, you said nothing of the kind.

What part do you find difficult to cope with
Originally Posted by Shasown
It isnt anything to do with the Constitution of the US.

Its not a trial in the UK.

And he isnt currently facing any charges, he is wanted for questioning.

As accurate as always.

and

Originally Posted by Shasown
As I said it isnt a right based in the constitution, its a right passed down by tradition, it originates from English Common Law and has the same standing over there as it does over here. It was a Supreme Court ruling in the 1890's

.

I have simply defended the US from many accusations in this thread, and let's remember, there is ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION to the USA AT ALL in the charges against Julian Assange The USA has absolutely NOTHING to do with his legal troubles.

You know that as fact? Is that just like you knew the contents of all the leaked documents? After all the US administration is so transparent and doesnt work behind the scenes eh?

I seem to be the only one in this thread thinking about the rights of the WOMEN who have been abused by this man, this megolomaniac. This sociopathic man ho was unheard of 3 weeks ago, these charges were laid against him by 2 women, long before anyone in America, or the UK had ever even heard his name before.

Let these women have their day in court! you are so focused on the rights of Julian Assange, what about the rights of these women that have been assaulted??

Considering Europe continues to sheild the child rapist Roman Polanski, it's no surprise Europe continues to protect sex criminals in this way.

Misogynist Europe must CHANGE.

Of course no one had heard of him more than 3 weeks ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/25/julian-assange-wikileaks-sweden-investigation

Oooops kind of shot that one down.

However now he is all tied up within one country the US could ask for his extradition themselves couldnt they? Couldnt have worked out better for the US if they had planned this themselves.

Looks like the US will seek extradition as well however charging him could be unconstitional, the due process clause hasnt been tested throughout the US court system so he could fight the indictment from outside the US.

After all using US criminal charges against a non US citizen for something that didnt occur on US soil, where the accused had no intention of doing the crime on US soil etc, means the US is overstepping its bounds again.

Misogynist Europe? Do you understand where Sweden is? Or is it you are all upset because you feel this man has embarrassed the Good Ole US of A?

arista

17-12-2010, 05:49 PM

lostalex

21-12-2010, 04:14 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/17/article-1339549-0C853575000005DC-233_634x445.jpg

Enjoying Freedom and get back to the leaks
many are from Yanks.
He still feels HitMen may get him
and if they do will they be Russian , American or another nation?

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Host: Vaughan Smith, the owner of the Norfolk estate, greets the waiting media

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Visting the Local Police Station as part of the Bail Deal.

I'm sure these pictures of Julian looking so merry and free must make all the sex crime victims in europe feel great. If you assert your rights as a woman, being abused, against a popular man in europe, you know you'll not only be ignored, but also ridiculed and discredited. What a fantastic messege to send to women in Europe.

Berlusconi, Sarkozy, The Vatican... how many other cases can we cite of Europe choosing to let men that do some good things get away with being sexist misogynst pigs? what a fantastic continent!

TIME TO END PATRIARCHY IN EUROPE. NOW!

Shasown

21-12-2010, 07:22 PM

I'm sure these pictures of Julian looking so merry and free must make all the sex crime victims in europe feel great. If you assert your rights as a woman, being abused, against a popular man in europe, you know you'll not only be ignored, but also ridiculed and discredited. What a fantastic messege to send to women in Europe.

Berlusconi, Sarkozy, The Vatican... how many other cases can we cite of Europe choosing to let men that do some good things get away with being sexist misogynst pigs? what a fantastic continent!

TIME TO END PATRIARCHY IN EUROPE. NOW!

Gosh I wish we were more like than shining beacon of moral correctness the US of A. - What a fantastic colony.

BB_Eye

22-12-2010, 09:08 PM

I'm sure these pictures of Julian looking so merry and free must make all the sex crime victims in europe feel great. If you assert your rights as a woman, being abused, against a popular man in europe, you know you'll not only be ignored, but also ridiculed and discredited. What a fantastic messege to send to women in Europe.

Berlusconi, Sarkozy, The Vatican... how many other cases can we cite of Europe choosing to let men that do some good things get away with being sexist misogynst pigs? what a fantastic continent!

TIME TO END PATRIARCHY IN EUROPE. NOW!
Yeah, let me know when you get your female president and more than a mere handful of women in congress.

Good to know the oppressed women of Sweden can relocate to Nebraska and get liberated. :rolleyes: