Is there any point in 4 separate countries in the UK?

[Tom]

N. Ireland and Scotland might have their own parliaments but they're ultimately ruled by England. Is there any point, other than historical reasons, to keep it as 4 separate countries instead of just integrating it all into one and downgrading England/Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland to regions?

[Judas]

Is this a serious post?

[Tom]

Is this a serious post?

Yep. The UK is technically a country anyway and is governed as such. International relations (other than sport) also refer to us as the UK, so is there any reason to keep the 4 countries within?

[MTVN]

I dont really understand this, you're advocating that the UK's 4 consituent countries lose that title and they all just merge into one country ruled in Westminster?

[Tom]

I dont really understand this, you're advocating that the UK's 4 consituent countries lose that title and they all just merge into one country ruled in Westminster?

Thats what pretty much happens anyway...

I'm not saying it should happen, just wondering what other people think

[Patrick]

Okay, So you want Scotland and NI to be called England?

[Tom]

Okay, So you want Scotland and NI to be called England?

No I don't want anything, I'm just putting the idea out there. Obviously 'UK' would be the name because thats a country already in existence.

[MTVN]

Thats what pretty much happens anyway...

I'm not saying it should happen, just wondering what other people think

Well I think the Scots, Welsh and N.Irish do have quite a lot of control over affair in their country. Just look at Uni fees as an example, the Scots dont have to pay tuition fees and the Welsh government are going to subsidise them should there be an increase. And then the Scottish government were also able to free the Lockerbie bomber.

I think they would be very resentful if they were solely governed by an English-dominated Parliament in London. What should happen is that we should have our own Parliament in England, and then Westminster should just be used for the issues that affect the UK as a whole

[Tom]

Well I think the Scots, Welsh and N.Irish do have quite a lot of control over affair in their country. Just look at Uni fees as an example, the Scots dont have to pay tuition fees and the Welsh government are going to subsidise them should there be an increase. And then the Scottish government were also able to free the Lockerbie bomber.

I think they would be very resentful if they were solely governed by an English-dominated Parliament in London. What should happen is that we should have our own Parliament in England, and then Westminster should just be used for the issues that affect the UK as a whole

Scottish Parliament can be overruled by Westminster which kind of defeats the object, and I agree with an English parliament in principle but with the English just being moaners you can picture a load of protests at English Parliament decisions and then it gets thrown back to Westminster anyway. Scottish Parliament is just really like each local authority (education, health, policing etc) rolled into one and with a little bit more power.

[MTVN]

Scottish Parliament can be overruled by Westminster which kind of defeats the object, and I agree with an English parliament in principle but with the English just being moaners you can picture a load of protests at English Parliament decisions and then it gets thrown back to Westminster anyway. Scottish Parliament is just really like each local authority (education, health, policing etc) rolled into one and with a little bit more power.

Oh I hadnt realised that, can only see Westminster overruling them in extreme cases though

I think that sone decisions will only be relevant (or more relevant) to Scotland, though or to Wales. And when those kind of things are being decided at Westminster, it will essentially be decided by English MP's which doesnt seem very fair if you ask me.

[Lee.]

Oh dear God!

[Grimnir]

If it was upto me I would make Scotland and Wales totally separate countries but still part of the commonwealth similar to Australia etc

For Ireland Id say ****** it let em have it N Ireland is pointless country anyway

[Z]

No. In countries where distinct groups are thrown together under the banner of one country, they fight and they fight to get their own distinct identity back (see: South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Kosovo, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia... I could go on.) and it's such an English idea to unify everything as the United Kingdom - the Welsh, the Northern Irish and the Scottish are quite happy with their distinct national identities within the United Kingdom because we still have one.

[ILoveTRW]

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.

[Z]

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.

Wow.

[Niamh.]

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.

shut up.

[Jack_]

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.

:joker:

[ILoveTRW]

shut up.

Don't like the truth?

[Lee.]

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.

oh.dear.god

[Z]

I don't even know where to begin...

[Niamh.]

Don't like the truth?

I don't like ignorant people.

[Patrick]

Well it's basically a horrible idea.

I would love for it to happen though if they did it with the Scottish, Northern Irish and The Welsh.

Just for the sheer fact we'd start a ******ing war and it'd be rather entertaining and quite amusing to watch and give people something to talk about once X Factor ends.

Then the French would get involved, The Irish would probably jump in for the lulz, The Americans would come out of nowhere and before you know it, We've started World War III all over the names of some countries.

:love:

That would be something to tell the Grand kids really, and it would also be something History teachers could tell their students in about 200 years time.

Which would be quite nice.

But yes, It's too peaceful now in the UK.
We need something to fight with eachother about.

Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales VS England.

[ILoveTRW]

Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales VS England.

What are you going to attack us with?
Scissors from the local primary schools? (which we bought may I add)

[Niamh.]

anyway, back to the op, why would you want to take away 3 countries individuality?

[Niamh.]

What are you going to act us with?
Scissors from the local primary schools? (which we brought may I add)

you know that has worked in the past, Republic of Ireland for example.

[Lee.]

I don't even know where to begin...

Nah me neither..

300 years ago perhaps, but I can't be arsed to be honest. It's too late and cold! :D

[ILoveTRW]

I was once asked by an Irish man after telling him I was from manchester [Thick drunk Irish accent]"How did you like the bomb in Manchester?"[/accent]
I replied "yeah it was well good, we got a new Next!"
that shut the ****er up lol

[Iceman]

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.

You have warped views, you know **** all about Ireland from what I've read here and in the past, stop being so Ignorant when talking about a country and have some common courtesy when you type.

[Lee.]

I was once asked by an Irish man after telling him I was from manchester [Thick drunk Irish accent]"How did you like the bomb in Manchester?"[/accent]
I replied "yeah it was well good, we got a new Next!"
that shut the ****er up lol

Thats got bugger all to do with the topic of this thread!

[Niamh.]

I was once asked by an Irish man after telling him I was from manchester [Thick drunk Irish accent]"How did you like the bomb in Manchester?"[/accent]
I replied "yeah it was well good, we got a new Next!"
that shut the ****er up lol

so your point is what exactly? I don't get it. You hate Irish people:conf:

[keithafc]

If it was upto me I would make Scotland and Wales totally separate countries but still part of the commonwealth similar to Australia etc

For Ireland Id say ****** it let em have it N Ireland is pointless country anyway
How is Northern Ireland a pointless country? Ulster is a wonderful place.

[Patrick]

I was once asked by an Irish man after telling him I was from manchester [Thick drunk Irish accent]"How did you like the bomb in Manchester?"[/accent]
I replied "yeah it was well good, we got a new Next!"
that shut the ****er up lol

Um, You Weren't.

....That was from a Jason Manford Gig.

[Lee.]

Um, You Weren't.

....That was from a Jason Manford Gig.

Lol, pmsl & lmao!!

:laugh3:

[ILoveTRW]

Um, You Weren't.

....That was from a Jason Manford Gig.

lol
Glad someone has a good sense of humour here

[Iceman]

lol
Glad someone has a good sense of humour here

I dont think he was agreeing with you, more showing you up.

[MTVN]

He's just trying to take the piss tbh I think

[ILoveTRW]

I dont think he was agreeing with you, more showing you up.

I know he was, but i was congratulating patrick for being the only one to realise.

[ILoveTRW]

He's just trying to take the piss tbh I think

:p

[Iceman]

I know he was, but i was congratulating patrick for being the only one to realise.

Realise what that you've made a load of stupid statements, not backed them up with anything, ignored everyone who replied to you and then told a joke.......well you get a golden star for that.

[Z]

N. Ireland and Scotland might have their own parliaments but they're ultimately ruled by England. Is there any point, other than historical reasons, to keep it as 4 separate countries instead of just integrating it all into one and downgrading England/Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland to regions?

I think the main problem I have with your post, and the reason why N.I., Scotland and Wales are so vehemently opposed to an entirely united UK is when you say "but they're ultimately ruled by England." It's ignorant and big headed to say something like that, which is why so many people from the other three nations actively dislike the English. :/

[ILoveTRW]

Realise what that you've made a load of stupid statements, not backed them up with anything, ignored everyone who replied to you and then told a joke.......well you get a golden star for that.

Tbh nobody has made any intelligent replies to any of my post as of yet.
What do you want be to back up?
The fact that Scotland is dependent on England or that Irelands economy is a bigger mess than Alex Salmond's face?
Because I'm sure I can find more than a few articles.

[MTVN]

I think the main problem I have with your post, and the reason why N.I., Scotland and Wales are so vehemently opposed to an entirely united UK is when you say "but they're ultimately ruled by England." It's ignorant and big headed to say something like that, which is why so many people from the other three nations actively dislike the English. :/

I think that's a bit unfair tbh. A lot of English resent the fact that the three other nations all have some form of control over issues in their respective country, free from Westminster involvement when we dont have that. A lot of Scots were unhappy with English MP's being the predominant opinion on matters which mainly affect just Scotland, and so were granted the luxury of deciding those issues for themselves; we have no such luxury in England.

[Z]

I think that's a bit unfair tbh. A lot of English resent the fact that the three other nations all have some form of control over issues in their respective country, free from Westminster involvement when we dont have that. A lot of Scots were unhappy with English MP's being the predominant opinion on matters which mainly affect just Scotland, and so were granted the luxury of deciding those issues for themselves; we have no such luxury in England.

Tom's original post was worded in a way that I think highlights one of the reasons why people generally dislike the idea of a United Kingdom in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland though - that arrogant assumption that England is this weary benefactor of three 'scrounging' nations... On the contrary, we have all been trying to establish ourselves as independent nations who are not reliant on the English to sustain ourselves. That's the point that it comes down to though - in Westminster, the three smaller nations do not get as much of a say yet were affected by nationwide decisions; now that there's been some form of devolution in all three (either through the assemblies or parliament in Scotland's case) that issue isn't as prominent. Therefore the reason the English don't have a separate Parliament, it seems to me, is because by creating one, it signals the end of the United Kingdom as such, and promotes the idea of four separate nations under one banner, and would probably lead to the dissolution of the UK.

Basically I see the lack of an English Parliament as the glue holding the UK together.

[Patrick]

I think that's a bit unfair tbh. A lot of English resent the fact that the three other nations all have some form of control over issues in their respective country, free from Westminster involvement when we dont have that. A lot of Scots were unhappy with English MP's being the predominant opinion on matters which mainly affect just Scotland, and so were granted the luxury of deciding those issues for themselves; we have no such luxury in England.

That's kind of petty and stupid to be honest, if you think of everything England has done and taken away from other certain countries.

The Lord Zeezus summed it up pretty well in his post.

That's why NI, Scotland and Wales and actually Ireland get pissed with England so much because of the way Tom basically made out like we should all drop our identity because 'England Rules Us'.

[MTVN]

Tom's original post was worded in a way that I think highlights one of the reasons why people generally dislike the idea of a United Kingdom in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland though - that arrogant assumption that England is this weary benefactor of three 'scrounging' nations... On the contrary, we have all been trying to establish ourselves as independent nations who are not reliant on the English to sustain ourselves. That's the point that it comes down to though - in Westminster, the three smaller nations do not get as much of a say yet were affected by nationwide decisions; now that there's been some form of devolution in all three (either through the assemblies or parliament in Scotland's case) that issue isn't as prominent. Therefore the reason the English don't have a separate Parliament, it seems to me, is because by creating one, it signals the end of the United Kingdom as such, and promotes the idea of four separate nations under one banner, and would probably lead to the dissolution of the UK.

Basically I see the lack of an English Parliament as the glue holding the UK together.

Tom seemed more to be dismissing the influence of the Scottish Parliament than their contribution to the Union, a view I would personally disagree with. The view that England are the benefactor of Scotland/Wales/N.I is not one that most of the English hold, I think most would acknowledge Scotland's importance to the Union. Scots could also be accused of the same offence as well, I may be wrong but there seems to be a "they need us more than we need them" attitude among many Scots, particularly when it comes to something like the North Sea oil

I do think you have a valid point though, in that an English Parliament could be a final step toward the breakdown of the Union. Although English nationalism is undoubtedly on the rise as it is and I do think part of that is because of our lack of a Parliament. Scottish, Welsh & Irish MP's can vote on exclusively English issues yet English MP's cannot do the same for matters affecting the other nations, and I dont think that is fair. It's a difficult situation alright, I like the idea of the English Parliament but it could effectively render Westminster pointless so maybe it is necessary to refrain from introducing one

I think the complete devolution of the UK will happen at some point tbh, I really dont know how long it can continue to survive

[MTVN]

That's kind of petty and stupid to be honest, if you think of everything England has done and taken away from other certain countries.

The Lord Zeezus summed it up pretty well in his post.

That's why NI, Scotland and Wales and actually Ireland get pissed with England so much because of the way Tom basically made out like we should all drop our identity because 'England Rules Us'.

It isnt petty or stupid at all, it's a serious issue in British politics. It may be necessary for England not to have a parliament so the Union can survive but I cant see how it could ever be considered fair.

[Shasown]

N. Ireland and Scotland might have their own parliaments but they're ultimately ruled by England. Is there any point, other than historical reasons, to keep it as 4 separate countries instead of just integrating it all into one and downgrading England/Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland to regions?

Yes its something called the Acts of (the)Union from 1536 (then1707) onward up to and including the various legislature that allowed the reintroduction of regional assemblies, which allows each country its own identity its own boundaries and the certain self determining rights, the Independence of Scottish education and judicial systems to name a couple.

Throwing all four countries back together into one country under one parliament would create more problems than it solves.

The biggest of these would be the people of three of the countries resenting the lack of regional assemblies etc and would probably lead to the dissolution of the union very rapidly.

United together as we are currently the UK can shout fairly loudly in Europe, four smaller individual countries would be ignored more than we currently are, that is if all four elected to stay in Europe, if they were even allowed in Europe as four separate independand nations.

The balance between self determination and collective sovereignity is about right for the current times.

[InOne]

It's ironic that they all have much more affirmed cultures than us.

[arista]

N. Ireland and Scotland might have their own parliaments but they're ultimately ruled by England. Is there any point, other than historical reasons, to keep it as 4 separate countries instead of just integrating it all into one and downgrading England/Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland to regions?



Dead New Labour made it worse.



North Ireland should join the South
and have both money types for a year,
as they change.

[arista]

Republic Of Scotland
would be good
but it does not have public backing - enough.

[Niamh.]

Tbh nobody has made any intelligent replies to any of my post as of yet.
What do you want be to back up?
The fact that Scotland is dependent on England or that Irelands economy is a bigger mess than Alex Salmond's face?
Because I'm sure I can find more than a few articles.

Our economy is none of your concern as we are not part of the UK.

[brian3]

What about the isle of man, Jersey, Guernsey, the Falklad islands and Gibralter. You going to include them in your plan?

[Stu]

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.
Your so dim it's actually hysterical.

[Zippy]

I can see N.Ireland being integrated back into Ireland at some point.

But Scotland and Wales is far more complex. They clearly don't want full independence as they currently kinda get the best of both worlds...their own parliament and identity but with the UK safety net.

I don't see it changing anytime soon. Too much effort. Maybe if the monarchy ever gets abolished it may trigger a move towards truly separate countries.

[arista]

Our economy is none of your concern as we are not part of the UK.

True
You are in the --Go And Get Stuffed Euro Club

[arista]

I can see N.Ireland being integrated back into Ireland at some point.

But Scotland and Wales is far more complex. They clearly don't want full independence as they currently kinda get the best of both worlds...their own parliament and identity but with the UK safety net.

I don't see it changing anytime soon. Too much effort. Maybe if the monarchy ever gets abolished it may trigger a move towards truly separate countries.


A Nuke in a Van
could do that.
No warning.

[Tom]

Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales VS England.

just under 10m people in NI, Scotland and Wales with 51.4m living in England...

[Tom]

I think the main problem I have with your post, and the reason why N.I., Scotland and Wales are so vehemently opposed to an entirely united UK is when you say "but they're ultimately ruled by England." It's ignorant and big headed to say something like that, which is why so many people from the other three nations actively dislike the English. :/

Its not ignorant or big headded to say that. The UK is a bigger and more powerful entity than the 4 countries together; the UK parliament can overrule any legislation set by the Scottish or N.Irish parliaments.

[Patrick]

:rolleyes:

[Z]

Its not ignorant or big headded to say that. The UK is a bigger and more powerful entity than the 4 countries together; the UK parliament can overrule any legislation set by the Scottish or N.Irish parliaments.

Yes, the United Kingdom is, not England - which is what you said in your post.

[Tom]

Yes, the United Kingdom is, not England - which is what you said in your post.

Its based in London and is the same parliament that governs England.

[Z]

Its based in London and is the same parliament that governs England.

Just because it's based in London, doesn't mean England rules over the other three. Your ignorance is a stereotypical view that creates animosity towards the English.

[Shasown]

Our economy is none of your concern as we are not part of the UK.

Oh well then if thats the case can we have our 3 and 1/4 billion quid back. Oh and could you drop a line to the bureaucrats in europe and tell them not to ask the UK for any coin to save your failing economy in the future?

I am so glad you understand the inter relationships between international economies.

[ILoveTRW]

Your so dim it's actually hysterical.

Sorry which university did you go to?
Oh wait you don't need any qualifications to be a full time druggie.

[Stu]

Sorry which university did you go to?
Oh wait you don't need any qualifications to be a full time druggie.
The implication being that going to University automatically means you are a smart, well rounded individual? That must be one of the most baseless, frighteningly pretentious things you could possibly say in an argument.

I'm doing a course in film and TV production right now, dumbass. And smoking a bit of pot and drinking hardly makes you a 'full time druggie'.

You should know. You went to University. Bottom feeder.

[ILoveTRW]

The implication being that going to University automatically means you are a smart, well rounded individual? That must be one of the most baseless, frighteningly pretentious things you could possibly say in an argument.

I'm doing a course in film and TV production right now, dumbass. And smoking a bit of pot and drinking hardly makes you a 'full time druggie'.

You should know. You went to University. Bottom feeder.

A course in film and tv production, wow I take everything back, you are a little smartie :pat:

[Stu]

A course in film and tv production, wow I take everything back, you are a little smartie :pat:
Yeah film and tv is so gay. I'm such a looser.

No you just got punk'd the hell out for looking like an absoloute prat parading on about how you went to university therefore you must be an intelligent, ignorance free person not considering that the argument is flawed beyond belief and the person you are talking to might also be attending university. And that's not to mention the wonderful assumption that I'm a 'full time druggie'.

And you wonder why I called you dim. The idea of you schooling someone else on a countrys cultural contributions and self sufficiency is worth more laughing smileys than the limits will allow. You jumped in at the deep end and rightly got attacked by multiple people for having absoloutely no idea what you are talking about. As usual.

Ireland's economic woes have nothing to do with it's independence from England. It has everything to do with the few and the greedy messing it up for the rest of us. Something that happens in plenty of other countries. Before that our economy was on absoloute fire as an independent Republic.

Look up the term 'celtic tiger', special needs.

[ILoveTRW]

Yeah film and tv is so gay. I'm such a looser.

No you just got punk'd the hell out for looking like an absoloute prat parading on about how you went to university therefore you must be an intelligent, ignorance free person not considering that the argument is flawed beyond belief and the person you are talking to might also be attending university. And that's not to mention the wonderful assumption that I'm a 'full time druggie'.

And you wonder why I called you dim. The idea of you schooling someone else on a countrys cultural contributions and self sufficiency is worth more laughing smileys than the limits will allow. You jumped in at the deep end and rightly got attacked by multiple people for having absoloutely no idea what you are talking about. As usual.

Ireland's economic woes have nothing to do with it's independence from England. It has everything to do with the few and the greedy messing it up for the rest of us. Something that happens in plenty of other countries. Before that our economy was on absoloute fire as an independent Republic.

Look up the term 'celtic tiger', special needs.

So if Ireland was part of the UK it would still be in the same mess right now?

[Stu]

It's a question that's impossible to fathom. You cannot possibly begin to try and answer it given so many other factors would have to be taken into account with regard to how it would have affected world history and economics. What you are saying is ****ing retarded. I suppose that's what I'm getting at. And I'm certainly no expert on the matter. Difference is I don't pretend to be. You made your original post not out of some intensive economic probing on your part ... but because your just a bit ignorant and can't appreciate Ireland because it doesn't get enough sunlight to produce quality Reality TV ... or we have too many foxes ... or something else daft like that.

You might want to look up Ireland's record during British rule though. We didn't exactly flourish.

[Shasown]

Ireland's economic woes have nothing to do with it's independence from England. It has everything to do with the few and the greedy messing it up for the rest of us. Something that happens in plenty of other countries. Before that our economy was on absoloute fire as an independent Republic.

Look up the term 'celtic tiger', special needs.

Very true, Irelands economic boom from the mid 90's through to 2007 was envied around the world, a great pity that recent governments didnt have a forward thinking economic policies and profits werent wisely re-invested to buffer the economy.

[Stu]

Very true, Irelands economic boom from the mid 90's through to 2007 was envied around the world, a great pity that recent governments didnt have a forward thinking economic policies and profits werent wisely re-invested to buffer the economy.
We never kicked Fianna Fail out and it has come back to haunt us. They couldn't capatalize on what they helped start and the small mindedness of the voting majority refued to realize alternatives existed instead of good old reliable Fianna Fail.

Of course this is all meaningless to ILoveTRW who has not even factored in the idea of multiple parties, ideologies and systems of regulation. It's either 'Ireland' runs Ireland ... some abstract shadowy force of control ... or England runs Ireland.

[ILoveTRW]

but because your just a bit ignorant and can't appreciate Ireland because it doesn't get enough sunlight to produce quality Reality TV

Actually The Real World: Dublin is in the pipeline

[Shasown]

So if Ireland was part of the UK it would still be in the same mess right now?
That question is a bit like asking what would the world be like if the yanks were still one of our colonies isnt it? One thing is for sure Ireland wouldnt have had the economic success it did.

[Niamh.]

Oh well then if thats the case can we have our 3 and 1/4 billion quid back. Oh and could you drop a line to the bureaucrats in europe and tell them not to ask the UK for any coin to save your failing economy in the future?

I am so glad you understand the inter relationships between international economies.

Why do you think you lending us money gives you a claim to our country?

[Stu]

His not saying that. Just pointing out how our economies are very interconnected. You cant say to someone 'oh well your in England so our economy is of no concern to you'. England are our biggest trading partner. Of course it matters.

[Niamh.]

His not saying that. Just pointing out how our economies are very interconnected. You cant say to someone 'oh well your in England so our economy is of no concern to you'. England are our biggest trading partner. Of course it matters.

I agree with that, I was replying to ILTRW when Shasown decided to interject with his patronizing response.

[Niall]

I still don't really think its all that fair that England don't have its own Parliament like Wales, Scotland and Ireland. It annoys me :bored:

[Patrick]

Actually The Real World: Dublin is in the pipeline

Really?

Awesome, I hope Noirin goes on it or something.
Any idea when we could expect it?

Obviously it won't be in early 2011, 'Cause of Las Vegas :(

[Patrick]

I still don't really think its all that fair that England don't have its own Parliament like Wales, Scotland and Ireland. It annoys me :bored:

It amuses me though how English people can moan about something like this yet through History they've been, quite frankly dick heads to other countries over silly things and stick their nose into everything and then because they don't have a Parliament it's so 'unfair'.


I'm not having a go at you Blitzen, 'Cus we've always got along but your post just reminded me.

[Zippy]

Really?

Awesome, I hope Noirin goes on it or something.


eww. why would they want horseface back on it when she was only an extra on the show before?

No doubt she'll try to get on it.

ps; youre mentioned in my siggy btw....feel honoured!

[MTVN]

It amuses me though how English people can moan about something like this yet through History they've been, quite frankly dick heads to other countries over silly things and stick their nose into everything and then because they don't have a Parliament it's so 'unfair'.


I'm not having a go at you Blitzen, 'Cus we've always got along but your post just reminded me.

Well all countries have blood on their hands. We shouldnt have equal power over our own affairs because England have been "dick heads" in the past?

[Stu]

I agree with that, I was replying to ILTRW when Shasown decided to interject with his patronizing response.
So you agree that our economy matters to England? Despite telling ILoveTRW the opposite?

I don't think Shasown's response was all that patronising. And I don't think at all that he reckons England can lay claim to a bit of Ireland like you said.

It pays to think clearly a small bit before being so trigger ready to defend Ireland.

[Niamh.]

So you agree that our economy matters to England? Despite telling ILoveTRW the opposite?

I don't think Shasown's response was all that patronising. And I don't think at all that he reckons England can lay claim to a bit of Ireland like you said.

It pays to think clearly a small bit before being so trigger ready to defend Ireland.

of course our economy matters to England as it does to the rest of Europe, the comment I made to ILTRW was a bit defensive yes, forgive me for being so in a thread that is about the UK but ILTRW saw fit to tell jokes about IRA bombings in one breathe and then expected people to talk rationally to him in the next.

and yes I did find Shasowns post "
I am so glad you understand the inter relationships between international economies" patronising towards me.

[Shasown]

of course our economy matters to England as it does to the rest of Europe, the comment I made to ILTRW was a bit defensive yes, forgive me for being so in a thread that is about the UK but ILTRW saw fit to tell jokes about IRA bombings in one breathe and then expected people to talk rationally to him in the next.

and yes I did find Shasowns post "
I am so glad you understand the inter relationships between international economies" patronising towards me.

I am sorry that you found my post so patronising, it was simply a response to your obvious Anti English prejudices.

I was merely pointing out that even though your country's economy is now within the Euro financial zone, it is still a major concern to the UK's economy with so much trade between the two countries.

Not only will the UK have to put money into supporting it through Europe but it concerns us so much we are willing to put extra money above and beyond that which Europe will require us to.

Obviously a sensitive subject for you, the injustices heaped upon the Irish Nation over the centuries by the English. For that I do of course apologise.

[ILoveTRW]

Really?

Awesome, I hope Noirin goes on it or something.
Any idea when we could expect it?

Obviously it won't be in early 2011, 'Cause of Las Vegas :(

It may never happen, but it is definitely on the shortlist, and if they don't get canceled after season 26 it will probably be the next international season (although they will almost certainly go back to London for 2012).

[arista]

Yes we a Inter connected to Ireland
But getting rid of the Corrupt Euro
is the way forward.

Its Not One Size that Fits All.

Germany is the Key Master.

[Niall]

It amuses me though how English people can moan about something like this yet through History they've been, quite frankly dick heads to other countries over silly things and stick their nose into everything and then because they don't have a Parliament it's so 'unfair'.


I'm not having a go at you Blitzen, 'Cus we've always got along but your post just reminded me.


I know you ain't having a go, I get what you mean :) , I'm 3/4 Irish myself and the English were virtually responsible for the potato famine so I know how heartless they have been, but its all in the past now. I just would like an English Parliament for the sake of balance. Its weird that no-one has bothered to sort it out thus far imo.

[lostalex]

The truth is they really arn't separate countries. The individual 50 US states are just as if not more independent as/than the UK "countries". The rest of the world see's the UK as a country, not england/scot/wales/N.Ire.

There is only 1 seat at the UN, called "Great Britain" there is not a Scotland or Wales or England seat at the UN. In Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a British military, not an English army and a Scottish army, etc..

I think you'll find more cultural differences between Californians and New Yorkers, than you'd find between the English and Scottish.

Really the "countries" in the UK are states, not countries, by American definitions at least.

Just an outsiders point of view. Take it for whatever it's worth.

[Niamh.]

I am sorry that you found my post so patronising, it was simply a response to your obvious Anti English prejudices.

I was merely pointing out that even though your country's economy is now within the Euro financial zone, it is still a major concern to the UK's economy with so much trade between the two countries.

Not only will the UK have to put money into supporting it through Europe but it concerns us so much we are willing to put extra money above and beyond that which Europe will require us to.

Obviously a sensitive subject for you, the injustices heaped upon the Irish Nation over the centuries by the English. For that I do of course apologise.

I'm certainly not anti-English Shasown, I do find though on this site that there are a few people who are blatantly anti-Irish and yes I do get annoyed about that sometimes (I'm not talking about you btw)