View Full Version : 1,000 complaints to OFCOM over the X Factor.
Shaun
14-12-2010, 05:47 PM
Complaints to Ofcom about the raunchy performances of Rihanna and Christina Aguilera on Saturday's X Factor final have reached the 1,000 mark.
Both performances featured the scantily-clad artists and female dancers gyrating on stage.
ITV has also received around the same number of complaints.
"We are confident that the performances given by our guest artistes on Saturday were appropriate for the show," an ITV1 spokeswoman said.
The first part of the X Factor final was aired at 1900 GMT on Saturday.
An Ofcom spokesman said: "We are assessing the complaints but are not currently investigating the show."
It is not the highest number of complaints the media watchdog has received about the entertainment show.
In 2009, the talent search attracted 4,000 complaints relating to remarks made by Dannii Minogue about contestant Danyl Johnson.
Minogue made a reference to Johnson's sexuality but was found not to be in breach of broadcasting rules by Ofcom.
Matt Cardle Matt Cardle was mentored by Dannii Minogue
In 2007, more than 1,500 viewers complained to Ofcom that they were unable to vote by phone for contestant Rhydian Roberts in that year's X Factor final.
More than 17.2 million viewers saw former painter and decorator Matt Cardle win this year's competition on Sunday night's show.
"An audience of almost 20 million is a phenomenal achievement for any channel in the modern digital age," said Peter Fincham, ITV's director of television.
Cardle's debut single - a cover of Biffy Clyro's Many of Horror, to be released as When We Collide - will now be a strong contender for Christmas number one.
According to figures released by ITV, 15.4 million votes were cast during the 10-week series.
Cardle scored the most votes every week, apart from the first week when supermarket worker Mary Byrne came top.
:bored:
Seriously, why do people bother.
Jack_
14-12-2010, 05:49 PM
Pathetic. They should go and have a wank or something.
Iceman
14-12-2010, 05:51 PM
I was well and truely satisfied with their performances, moaning old parents id guess.
What's the point in doing anything any more, people will just complain.
Shaun
14-12-2010, 05:53 PM
It wasn't any raunchier or dirtier than your average music video nowadays.
Of course, they're setting a bad example for children too...but do something about them first.
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
14-12-2010, 05:55 PM
*stabs GBP*
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 05:55 PM
Its just pathetic really.
I bet the majority of these parents complaining have bought/are planning on buying their kids a computer for their rooms or something. The internet is way worse than the tv will ever be...
What did they expect? Xtina to perform a song called burlesque(as far as I'm aware...if not I have no idea why I thought it was called that :/)...from a film about burlesque...wearing an ankle length skirt, jumper, and swaying on the spot surrounded by a choir?
Shaun
14-12-2010, 05:56 PM
the song was called Express :tongue: but yeah
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 05:56 PM
Oh well... :blush2:
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
14-12-2010, 06:10 PM
:joker:
The complainants are just a tiny drop in the huge ocean of X Factor viewers who had no problem with the performances. Nothing will come of this
I wonder how many people were offended themselves, or were they complaining on behalf of others who might be offended? I suspect the latter. Meanwhile Cheryl didn't wear anything on her bottom half except leggings which stopped at her thighs when doing her performance, I bet she got no complaints
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Fetch The Bolt Cutters
14-12-2010, 06:29 PM
ya coz she can do no wrong :rolleyes:
nations sweetheart my ball
BETCH :mad:
ya coz she can do no wrong :rolleyes:
In the words of arista
BangOnRight.
Meh, people should know better - most guest performers are using it to plug new material, they're not there to observe the 9pm watershed. People moaning for the sake of moaning.
Shasown
14-12-2010, 06:43 PM
I was well and truely satisfied with their performances, moaning old parents id guess.
Feck right off, I am a moaning old parent and I didnt complain. In fact I was well impressed by both ladies. Blame the prudes they come in all ages.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 07:50 PM
I'm not quite sure why I'm bothering, but anyways...... I had a roomful of nine year old girls watching that ****e on Saturday night and I was well pissed off, though I didn't complain to OFCOM. Whoever said, "they're not there to obey the watershed", what ARE you on about? It's not what they're there to do, it's a watershed. You know, like a speed limit? Or do you also believe, oh sod this, I've a great car I want my friends to hear, I'm not here to obey the speed limit......
I'm the furthest thing you could find from a prude but I hate the idea of my daughter ingesting the impression that if you're immensely talented, edgy, rich and powerful you STILL have to strip to your knickers and simulate sex to be adjudged to have given an impressive performance. I'm neither surprised nor bothered about the men on here defending it; but to the women - seriously? Have a bit of cop on ffs. This is utterly objectionable on a 'family' show; and it is a family show, the only reason I watch the drivel is because my daughter and her friends like to talk about it at school. I'd prefer they weren't talking about how much of 'that woman's arse' they could see. So shoot me - I'm clearly a boring old prude with no sense of humour.
Well that, or you lot are a bunch of gullible fools who buy exactly whatever Cowell and his buddies and their media machines decide to shove forcefully down your throats of a Saturday night.
Vladimir
14-12-2010, 07:54 PM
they couldn't handle rihanna's hot legs. <3
_Seth
14-12-2010, 08:05 PM
Rihanna's performance (if she's the one with the high slit in her dress) was too much when she put her leg over one of the dancers' fanny at the end.
What the frig did Christina do wrong?
GypsyGoth
14-12-2010, 08:12 PM
Rihanna's performance (if she's the one with the high slit in her dress) was too much when she put her leg over one of the dancers' fanny at the end.
What the frig did Christina do wrong?
She did one of the dancers with a strapon.
This might be going a bit waywood but....Today on loosewomen they were doing an item on winter clothes and they had a man in just his boxers come on to model a hat and this show is on at 12:30 which is way before the watershed will that get any complaints? nope
_Seth
14-12-2010, 08:39 PM
That would just be a man in his boxers, if he was having sexual contact with someone else, it would change the dynamics.
but it's still suggestive.
Tom4784
14-12-2010, 08:53 PM
It's just your average Wombai-esque daily mail readers that like a good bitch and moan.
This might be going a bit waywood but....Today on loosewomen they were doing an item on winter clothes and they had a man in just his boxers come on to model a hat and this show is on at 12:30 which is way before the watershed will that get any complaints? nope
Yeah it does seem there are different standards depending on the gender
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 09:09 PM
Yeah it does seem there are different standards depending on the gender
I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.
Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.
You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.
That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 09:14 PM
It's just your average Wombai-esque daily mail readers that like a good bitch and moan.
I think I may have to revisit the Daily Mail if the general consensus is that only its readers would find Saturday night's cheap, embarrassing attempt at 'entertainment' appropriate for what is, in effect, a children's show. I'm so glad internet forums weren't around when I was in my late teens. I'd probably have spouted some awful populist ****e too.
I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.
Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.
You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.
That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.
True, it's just the poster on here who objected to it was mentioning that she didnt want her daughter talking about "how much of that womans arse they could see" so I thought the actual appearance may be a factor.
Just as an aside, you get performances every week on Strictly which are pretty raunchy with revealing outfits yet there's never a fuss over that
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 09:17 PM
True, it's just the poster on here who objected to it was mentioning that she didnt want her daughter talking about "how much of that womans arse they could see" so I thought the actual appearance may be a factor.
Just as an aside, you get performances every week on Strictly which are pretty raunchy with revealing outfits yet there's never a fuss over that
Yeah, I think some people just look for things to be 'outraged' about sometimes...
I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.
Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.
You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.
That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.
But you could see his snake it was pratically bursting out, so it's ok for men, but not for women? and I think it's pathetic people complained.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 09:29 PM
This might be going a bit waywood but....Today on loosewomen they were doing an item on winter clothes and they had a man in just his boxers come on to model a hat and this show is on at 12:30 which is way before the watershed will that get any complaints? nope
That would just be a man in his boxers, if he was having sexual contact with someone else, it would change the dynamics.
I think Frost Bite's response pretty much covers it, but there an important, if subtle, difference in terms of the way men and women react differently to visual stimulus and the intent and cycnicism behind the production. Someone walking on in a joking fashion in boxers is completely different. If he'd been suggestive and/or aggressively sexual or sexualised, I might feel differently. I n any event, I didn't see it, so can't really comment.
Yeah it does seem there are different standards depending on the gender
I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.
Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.
Myself and my daughter had almost exactly the same conversation the night Cheryl mimed around the stage in HER knickers. Don't see much difference, but the simulated sex did, as they say, put the tin hat on it.
You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.
That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.
True, it's just the poster on here who objected to it was mentioning that she didnt want her daughter talking about "how much of that womans arse they could see" so I thought the actual appearance may be a factor.
Just as an aside, you get performances every week on Strictly which are pretty raunchy with revealing outfits yet there's never a fuss over that
Again, I don't watch Strictly Come Dancing, so I cannot comment, but my impression of ballroom dancing is that it's sensual rather than sexualised for effect. It's a very different thing.
More than anything, it's sad that women don't seem to believe that it's possible anymore to have a music career without playing the part of a prostitute. It's dangerous, women are being objectified and those of you who don't want to see this or decide to ignore it may well count the cost in the future.
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 09:32 PM
But you could see his snake it was pratically bursting out, so it's ok for men, but not for women? and I think it's pathetic people complained.
But was he grinding against someone else?
As I said, noone seemed to have an issue with Cheryls barely there outfit...as her dance routine wasnt quite as raunchy as Christinas and Rihannas...
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 09:34 PM
I do have to wonder though, had it been someone like JLS instead...who get their kit off quite regularly and do some pretty suggestive dancing...would there still be an uproar over thing :/
BB_Eye
14-12-2010, 09:35 PM
The complainants are just a tiny drop in the huge ocean of X Factor viewers who had no problem with the performances. Nothing will come of this
You would be surprised by how eager some companies are to fall over themselves appeasing a populist (but not necessarily popular) cause, especially if its for showing something like a gay couple. One or two Daily Mail readers is enough for them to take it off air. Such is pathologically risk-averse nature of big business.
Add a draconian regulator like Ofcom into the mix and there's a pretty good chance something will happen.
Exactly Vicky there always getting naked, i sound like i have a problem with all this but i don't im just proving if we are going to start being picky then others will be put up for discussion to.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 09:38 PM
I do have to wonder though, had it been someone like JLS instead...who get their kit off quite regularly and do some pretty suggestive dancing...would there still be an uproar over thing :/
Seriously, now? At their raunchiest, JLS look like the Walton Brothers beside what was going on Saturday night.
And, as I said above, of course there's a difference. Men are only objectified in a joking manner because of their superior physical strength. The reality of the objectification of women sexually is rape, domestic violence and, at the milder end, unchecked misogyny.
Well we all know which member complained on Saturday night don't we....
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 09:53 PM
Seriously, now? At their raunchiest, JLS look like the Walton Brothers beside what was going on Saturday night.
And, as I said above, of course there's a difference. Men are only objectified in a joking manner because of their superior physical strength. The reality of the objectification of women sexually is rape, domestic violence and, at the milder end, unchecked misogyny.
Yes seriously. I see no difference.
Except one lot is male, the other female.
Cant have a problem with half naked ladies gyrating round the stage if you dont have the same problem with males doing the same thing. And JLS was just an example I plucked out of mid air tbh...
The bolded part made me giggle too. Who knew such double standards/sexism were still alive today :D
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 09:54 PM
Well we all know which member complained on Saturday night don't we....
No I didn't *******ing complain - nor did I vote, I've enough to be doing with my time and my money. But the sh*** justifications for these cheap, dangerous crap really pisses me off. Ye're like a bunch of "we're so :dance: and 'current' and young and smart that you can't recognise the manipulation even as it's waltzing up your chests and sh***ing on your faces.
Jamietwo
14-12-2010, 10:01 PM
No I didn't *******ing complain - nor did I vote, I've enough to be doing with my time and my money. But the sh*** justifications for these cheap, dangerous crap really pisses me off. Ye're like a bunch of "we're so :dance: and 'current' and young and smart that you can't recognise the manipulation even as it's waltzing up your chests and sh***ing on your faces.
wow someones got sand in their vagina! chill out love! have you ever seen a ballet? camel toes and bulges and simulated sex all over the shop. I thought rhiana looked really good everything was very well covered and she had this cute little belt thing with tassles which moved about. can't believe ofcom got a 1000 complaints over that.:shocked:
Jack_
14-12-2010, 10:04 PM
wow someones got sand in their vagina! chill out love!
:joker:
No I didn't *******ing complain - nor did I vote, I've enough to be doing with my time and my money. But the sh*** justifications for these cheap, dangerous crap really pisses me off. Ye're like a bunch of "we're so :dance: and 'current' and young and smart that you can't recognise the manipulation even as it's waltzing up your chests and sh***ing on your faces.
oh dear now that is a work of art.
Niamh.
14-12-2010, 10:15 PM
my 6 year old son did cover his eyes and say oh yuck when Christina was on but I don't think it was any worse than some music videos
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 10:18 PM
my 6 year old son did cover his eyes and say oh yuck when Christina was on but I don't think it was any worse than some music videos
Ahaha I misread that as your 16 year old son.
Was going to say...you should be worried :p
Legend killer
14-12-2010, 10:26 PM
Just some old hags getting vexed becuase there man is having a good wank over the performances in the next room. They should have actually been more raunchy maybe they could have made out or something
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 10:26 PM
wow someones got sand in their vagina! chill out love! have you ever seen a ballet? camel toes and bulges and simulated sex all over the shop. I thought rhiana looked really good everything was very well covered and she had this cute little belt thing with tassles which moved about. can't believe ofcom got a 1000 complaints over that.:shocked:
It was 2,000 anyway. Check out my post history, love. I never get this pissed off about the X Factor, I really couldn't give a stuff; quick word with the girls and they laughed through the rest of the, ahem, show. What pisses me off is the mindless "chill out, take a chill pill, who cares you old prude, mob mentality bull****e that passes for an opinion on here, love.
Oh, and the offensive personal comments that pass for debate. You're hilarious, aren't you? You're also wrong.
Niamh.
14-12-2010, 10:30 PM
Ahaha I misread that as your 16 year old son.
Was going to say...you should be worried :p
:joker: I'm not that old yet:bawling:
and yeah, he does cover his eyes when he sees people kiss too so I wasn't that concerned!
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 10:33 PM
Just some old hags getting vexed becuase there man is having a good wank over the performances in the next room. They should have actually been more raunchy maybe they could have made out or something
You know what? I usually completely agree with your posts, so it's with regret that I say - ******* RIGHT OFF. This is clearly true of some of those who complain once a month.
It's probably not about p***ed off parents who have enough sh*** to contend with given what passes for popular culture these days.
Jack_
14-12-2010, 10:35 PM
LOL, it's someone's time of the month...
:joker:
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 10:38 PM
So, seeing as how no-one can produce a coherent counter argument, I'm either having no sex or am on my period? Have I missed a trick here and forgotten to tick which school I attend when I registered?
I expected a little better, to be honest. *******ing pathetic.
_Seth
14-12-2010, 10:39 PM
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Watching it again, I am 100% on the side of the complainers. Their legs are WIDE open and they're doing EXTREMELY provocative dances. How would you feel if your 6 year old son was watching that? It's a FAMILY show, man.
Legend killer
14-12-2010, 10:45 PM
So, seeing as how no-one can produce a coherent counter argument, I'm either having no sex or am on my period? Have I missed a trick here and forgotten to tick which school I attend when I registered?
I expected a little better, to be honest. *******ing pathetic.
PMSL i love this forum member
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 10:48 PM
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Watching it again, I am 100% on the side of the complainers. Their legs are WIDE open and they're doing EXTREMELY provocative dances. How would you feel if your 6 year old son was watching that? It's a FAMILY show, man.
I'm more concerned about young girls, and a little older than six, but yeah, it was awful ****e - but Smug and Smugger gave her a standing ovation so, hey, "this must be what wonderful is". Crap. ****e. Offensive drivel.
But you are saying it's ok for boys to do it?!?! and also there is a remote you can turn it over if you think it got to much? I have never heard the XF being a family show before either? your going a bit over the top aswell you sound bitter.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 11:04 PM
But you are saying it's ok for boys to do it?!?! and also there is a remote you can turn it over if you think it got to much? I have never heard the XF being a family show before either? your going a bit over the top aswell you sound bitter.
OK for boys to do what?!? I've never seen any male performer come remotely close to that puke on Saturday night.
Have you ever tried to turn off something that six nine-year-old girls are watching?
Oh, and I sincerely hope it's children who are watching it and voting for it - with the standard of ****e that benefits from the worst of the screeching mobs. If there are adults who voted for One Direction, I'm perforating my own ear drums.
Now, am off to bed to bonk my husband senseless and the rest of you can go and piss off.
You are missing the point, you don't act like an adult either.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 11:12 PM
You are missing the point, you don't act like an adult either.
In what way does objecting to my daughter being exposed to completely inappropriate drivel before the watershed equate to not acting like an adult? Pray tell, please.....
And please try a decipherable answer rather than an insult. And make it fast, I'm tired.
You don't have to watch the show you know a performance about burlesque is going to be racy?
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 11:20 PM
You don't have to watch the show you know a performance about burlesque is going to be racy?
Everything in life doesn't have to be quite so literal or bliddy lazy. A little bit of cop on and imagination and the spirit of the blatant plug didn't have to be sacrificed in the process of making the entire thing just a smidgen less objectionable.
In fact, I did have to watch it, as my daughter had arranged a birthday party around the bloomin' event. You can't shield your children from popular culture but you can try to steer the debate back down "sane" street.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 11:33 PM
Yes seriously. I see no difference.
Except one lot is male, the other female.
Cant have a problem with half naked ladies gyrating round the stage if you dont have the same problem with males doing the same thing. And JLS was just an example I plucked out of mid air tbh...
The bolded part made me giggle too. Who knew such double standards/sexism were still alive today :D
Now, how did I miss THIS one?
Who knew such ignorant populist bull**** was making a comeback? It is NOT the same thing and if you don't know that by now I wonder who fell down on your education and where.
Jack_
14-12-2010, 11:36 PM
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patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 11:39 PM
I've often wondered what a 'troll' is.
Is it someone who's winning the argument? Or arguing with themselves while everyone else flounces about slapping each other on the back?
Just curious......
Vicky.
14-12-2010, 11:41 PM
Now, how did I miss THIS one?
Who knew such ignorant populist bull**** was making a comeback? It is NOT the same thing and if you don't know that by now I wonder who fell down on your education and where.
Haha no need to get so personal :laugh:
Course its the same thing. If you can get all uppity about women doing it, then you should be the same about blokes doing it.
patsylimerick
14-12-2010, 11:49 PM
Haha no need to get so personal :laugh:
Course its the same thing. If you can get all uppity about women doing it, then you should be the same about blokes doing it.
There is an inherent physical threat around the sexual objectification of women that is simply non existent in the sexual objectification of men.
Most of the time we accept that tacitly and chose our limits and our viewing options. This **** should not be included in a family show.
*wishes he could change his vote in the excessive oestrogen Razzie award*
Seriously, now? At their raunchiest, JLS look like the Walton Brothers beside what was going on Saturday night.
And, as I said above, of course there's a difference. Men are only objectified in a joking manner because of their superior physical strength. The reality of the objectification of women sexually is rape, domestic violence and, at the milder end, unchecked misogyny.
Do you have a short memory or have you completely glossed over the fact that Rihanna was a domestic violence victim? If she thought that was a problem then she wouldn't have done it.
What do you make of this video?
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InOne
15-12-2010, 02:11 AM
patsylimerick just shush. If all those kids around you are intelligent and not mindless drones then they will be fine. X Factor is not the whole world love :wink:
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 09:03 AM
patsylimerick just shush. If all those kids around you are intelligent and not mindless drones then they will be fine. X Factor is not the whole world love :wink:
Oh believe me, it ain't my whole world. The point is, intelligent as they may be, they are young and impressionable and, as I'm not one of those parents to put the TV on the skip, they are being exposed to the central tenets of popular culture. and one of those tenets, at the moment, is that women have to channel ***** to be successful in music. Now tell me, do you not think that's even a little bit pathetic? By the by, me and the kids had forgotten it by 6am when I was telling them to shurrup or they were put in the car and taken home, but the gist of this thread before I joined in was just jaw dropping mindless populist garbage. Forgive me for voicing my opinion - thought that's what I was here for.:wink:
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 09:05 AM
Do you have a short memory or have you completely glossed over the fact that Rihanna was a domestic violence victim? If she thought that was a problem then she wouldn't have done it.
What do you make of this video?
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Believe me, Rihanna's assault was chief amongst my thoughts while I was typing - as were the very many more similar assaults that happen every day. You really don't see any link? :puzzled:
Oh, and Alexandra (lovely girl and all) is no artist. She's a product. I'm not interested.
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 09:08 AM
*wishes he could change his vote in the excessive oestrogen Razzie award*
I wish you could change it too - you should hear the speech, it's a humdinger.
fruit_cake
15-12-2010, 09:33 AM
Patsy is right, the message this sends out to young girls and young boys is totally wrong :nono:
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 09:42 AM
Patsy is right, the message this sends out to young girls and young boys is totally wrong :nono:
:wavey: Thank you!!!.....for restoring my faith in cop on and human nature.... By the way, I never got around to making that Christmas cake and most of the bottle of Jameson is still intact. So I will be buying a cake and enjoying quite a few hot whiskeys between now and the big day. It's all good.:spin:
Jessica.
15-12-2010, 09:50 AM
:bored: If they were good parents their kids would have been in bed when X Factor was on.
Jamietwo
15-12-2010, 09:59 AM
There is an inherent physical threat around the sexual objectification of women that is simply non existent in the sexual objectification of men.
Most of the time we accept that tacitly and chose our limits and our viewing options. This **** should not be included in a family show.
patsy ... i thought that women did the sexy thing these days in a more empowered way you know with a **** you attitude feminist thing, I thought rhianna conveyed a lot more than tits and arse . These women arn't scantily clad backing singers for some cock of an r+b/rap star (I hate that and btw aphex twin window licker did a good job of sending it up, you tube it) these are successful independent women with talent. It's like a yeah i've got a beautiful body and a strong sexuality and I can express it and have the right not to be touched...half the world is dominated by men who force women to cover up and be in their place. rhianna had this real air of untouchable strength about her. karen capenter used to stand there covered from the neck down in a flowery shapless smock looking like she'd just just been let out of the kitchen for half an hour to sing a pretty song. I dunno about inherant physical threat...girls have the right to dress how they want in safety.
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 10:00 AM
:bored: If they were good parents their kids would have been in bed when X Factor was on.
At 7.30pm on a Saturday night? Nine year olds? I don't even have to ask if you're a parent yourself. :joker:
Pathetic.
Next.
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 10:03 AM
patsy ... i thought that women did the sexy thing these days in a more empowered way you know with a **** you attitude feminist thing, I thought rhianna conveyed a lot more than tits and arse . These women arn't scantily clad backing singers for some cock of an r+b/rap star (I hate that and btw aphex twin window licker did a good job of sending it up, you tube it) these are successful independent women with talent. It's like a yeah i've got a beautiful body and a strong sexuality and I can express it and have the right not to be touched...half the world is dominated by men who force women to cover up and be in their place. rhianna had this real air of untouchable strength about her. karen capenter used to stand there covered from the neck down in a flowery shapless smock looking like she'd just just been let out of the kitchen for half an hour to sing a pretty song. I dunno about inherant physical threat...girls have the right to dress how they want in safety.
I was waiting for this one. What a load of unadulterated b***sh*t. I'm not directing that at you personally, you understand, but at this hackneyed justification which is exactly what the fat middle-aged men who run record companies want you to believe. It's c**p. For me, what's happening in women's pop music is almost as insidious as those societies where women are forced to cover up completely. Not quite, but almost. It's objectification and exploitation and people can shout 'prude' as long and as loud as they want. The truth hurts, sometimes.
Jamietwo
15-12-2010, 10:14 AM
I was waiting for this one. What a load of unadulterated b***sh*t. I'm not directing that at you personally, you understand, but at this hackneyed justification which is exactly what the fat middle-aged men who run record companies want you to believe. It's c**p. For me, what's happening in women's pop music is almost as insidious as those societies where women are forced to cover up completely. Not quite, but almost. It's objectification and exploitation and people can shout 'prude' as long and as loud as they want. The truth hurts, sometimes.
well there are a lot of strong female role models for young girls out there these days dressed or undressed... from politicians to pop stars. Behavior towards women shouldn't have to depend on how they dress. Anyway Patsy I'm glad you are here expressing your self and if there were 2000 complaints that's a significant amount of strong opinion out there, and I respect that too. x
Miss Ivy Balls
15-12-2010, 10:26 AM
I was about to respect your opinion, but you seem to have a different attitude if it is men doing it or Alexander Burke because in your words she is a 'product'.
Kind of flings the fish out the window, if you ask me.
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 10:59 AM
I was about to respect your opinion, but you seem to have a different attitude if it is men doing it or Alexander Burke because in your words she is a 'product'.
Kind of flings the fish out the window, if you ask me.
I said she's a lovely girl, didn't I? Her performance is a product and, I'd imagine, her video differs not much at all from the performances we're discussing. I'd object to it as much as to Christina and Rihanna's performance. Because they are all products objectified by male music industry power brokers. The product is the victim. It's not a derogatory term, more an observtion. I don't want to watch any of it. It makes me feel ill, but, as I've repatedly said, I'm a mother and this is the entertainment of my children's choice. So, rather than just accepting that this is how it is, I choose to voice my disapproval.
Niamh.
15-12-2010, 10:59 AM
patsy ... i thought that women did the sexy thing these days in a more empowered way you know with a **** you attitude feminist thing, I thought rhianna conveyed a lot more than tits and arse . These women arn't scantily clad backing singers for some cock of an r+b/rap star (I hate that and btw aphex twin window licker did a good job of sending it up, you tube it) these are successful independent women with talent. It's like a yeah i've got a beautiful body and a strong sexuality and I can express it and have the right not to be touched...half the world is dominated by men who force women to cover up and be in their place. rhianna had this real air of untouchable strength about her. karen capenter used to stand there covered from the neck down in a flowery shapless smock looking like she'd just just been let out of the kitchen for half an hour to sing a pretty song. I dunno about inherant physical threat...girls have the right to dress how they want in safety.
karen Carpenter had anorexia and thought she was fat, I doubt she would have wanted to wear less tbh!
Niamh.
15-12-2010, 11:02 AM
It was a bit much for a family show tbh, I didn't have the urge to ring in and complain cos I realise that music videos etc are all like this but I thought it was a bit too racy (especially Christinas) for a show that's watched by a lot of young kids.
Miss Ivy Balls
15-12-2010, 11:03 AM
I said she's a lovely girl, didn't I? Her performance is a product and, I'd imagine, her video differs not much at all from the performances we're discussing. I'd object to it as much as to Christina and Rihanna's performance. Because they are all products objectified by male music industry power brokers. The product is the victim. It's not a derogatory term, more an observtion. I don't want to watch any of it. It makes me feel ill, but, as I've repatedly said, I'm a mother and this is the entertainment of my children's choice. So, rather than just accepting that this is how it is, I choose to voice my disapproval.
OK, but I get the impression it is OK if it was males to be doing it or Alexander because she's a 'nice girl'?
patsylimerick
15-12-2010, 11:09 AM
OK, but I get the impression it is OK if it was males to be doing it or Alexander because she's a 'nice girl'?
No, no, no. Crossed wires, I think. I hate that Alexandra's doing it, like I hate that they are all doing it. It's never a judgement on them as women, it's a judgement on the power brokers in the industry they work within. And I've clearly stated my view that it is COMPLETELY different to sexually objectify men; because while men do get raped and domestically abused, the OVERWHELMING physical threat comes from men and is aimed at women. This objectification normalises perceptions of women as sexual playthings. It's extremely, extremely dangerous. In my opinion, of course.
I am shocked :-O what sick bastard would complain over something like that ?
InOne
15-12-2010, 12:54 PM
Oh believe me, it ain't my whole world. The point is, intelligent as they may be, they are young and impressionable and, as I'm not one of those parents to put the TV on the skip, they are being exposed to the central tenets of popular culture. and one of those tenets, at the moment, is that women have to channel ***** to be successful in music. Now tell me, do you not think that's even a little bit pathetic? By the by, me and the kids had forgotten it by 6am when I was telling them to shurrup or they were put in the car and taken home, but the gist of this thread before I joined in was just jaw dropping mindless populist garbage. Forgive me for voicing my opinion - thought that's what I was here for.:wink:
You just seemed a little OTT sweetie. That's all :wink:
Kazanne
15-12-2010, 01:17 PM
but it's still suggestive.
He wasn't gyrating or pouting,it was a photo of a man dressed in Christmas pants,lol,it was funny more than anything,as for Saturday night,I CAN understand why people got annoyed,kids from a young age DO get influenced by images and TV,it didn't offend me as such,my children did not see it,but I'm glad they didn't as I don't want my little girl thinking that is how you have to be to be to be successful as a woman,I am sure they could have been as good toned down a bit.
Remeber that advert where Duffy cycled through a supermarket, singing (and souding astonishingly like Orville)? I think it was for Coca Cola?
Ofcom received complaints about that becasue she wasn't wearing the correct safety equipment! .. Nuff said
Having said that I do think kids see too much suggestiveness and crudity on television.. My daughter LOVES Lady GaGa and I've caught her a couple of times watching her videos which in my opinion are just too raunchy for a 6 year old! FFS I see some 11/12 years old dressed like miniature ho's! :nono: I think kids should be kept as young and as innocent as possible.
Tom4784
15-12-2010, 02:12 PM
I still don't get the fuss really, we've seen burlesque acts before on BGT and worse but there's never been that many complaints and all Rihanna did as strut around a bit. There's more sexuality in a shampoo advert then those performances really.
InOne
15-12-2010, 02:15 PM
Shouldn't all these mothers complaining be knitting or something? :bored:
Niamh.
15-12-2010, 02:17 PM
Shouldn't all these mothers complaining be knitting or something? :bored:
I'm not making a big deal about it really, I just thought Christinas was a bit much, my 6 year old covered his eyes when she was on and even Gav thought it was a bit too much. It doesn't bother me personally but you kind of cringe inside a bit when your young kids are sitting there watching it!
InOne
15-12-2010, 02:19 PM
I'm not making a big deal about it really, I just thought Christinas was a bit much, my 6 year old covered his eyes when she was on and even Gav thought it was a bit too much. It doesn't bother me personally but you kind of cringe inside a bit when your young kids are sitting there watching it!
It's a family show but it's not exactly a kids show. This is what they do.
Niamh.
15-12-2010, 02:20 PM
It's a family show but it's not exactly a kids show. This is what they do.
family would include kids though, kids always watch that show, I mean it started at 7:30
InOne
15-12-2010, 02:22 PM
family would include kids though, kids always watch that show, I mean it started at 7:30
Yeah but vids are on that are more raunchy than on music channels at 7:30am which kids always watch.
Niamh.
15-12-2010, 02:25 PM
Yeah but vids are on that are more raunchy than on music channels at 7:30am which kids always watch.
I know, I said that I do understand that, doesn't stop you feeling a bit uncomfortable though and my kids don't really watch music videos anyway. Luckily for me my daughter seems to have pretty good taste in music so far and isn't into the usual teeny stuff.........so far anyhow!
InOne
15-12-2010, 02:27 PM
I know, I said that I do understand that, doesn't stop you feeling a bit uncomfortable though and my kids don't really watch music videos anyway. Luckily for me my daughter seems to have pretty good taste in music so far and isn't into the usual teeny stuff.........so far anyhow!
Too bad her mother likes Matt Cardle :nono:
Niamh.
15-12-2010, 02:29 PM
Too bad her mother likes Matt Cardle :nono:
:joker: :tongue:
Stephanie
15-12-2010, 06:50 PM
meh, i didn't even think xtina's performance was that bad. don't get why some people complain over things.
I hope Rihanna pulls a dildo out on stage next year
Legend killer
15-12-2010, 07:52 PM
100th post on this thread
100th post on this thread
#101, I got the 100th bottom of last page :p
Legend killer
15-12-2010, 08:01 PM
#101, I got the 100th bottom of last page :p
:bawling:
MusicXian
16-12-2010, 10:46 AM
I hope none of you complained because those who do are just losers really. Its only a gameshow, a music gameshow at that.
fruit_cake
16-12-2010, 10:58 AM
If it's a music gameshow then why are they dressed up like its a sleazy porno shoot then?
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
16-12-2010, 11:09 AM
i got 1000th post in controversy until nobrot deleted one of his posts to sabotage me :mad:
patsylimerick
16-12-2010, 12:49 PM
I hope none of you complained because those who do are just losers really. Its only a gameshow, a music gameshow at that.
I didn't complain, no. But the more of this kind of post I read the more I wish I had. You're just a loser really is neither constructive nor informative. It doesn't actually say anything. As Christmas Cake says, it's not a soft porn show, it's supposed to be a 'family' entertainment show. To call it musical is stretching it a bit, at times. I wonder a) are you a parent? b) did you actually read through the whole thread before you posted?
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