What is your attitude towards drugs?

[InOne]

Have you tried them? Would you? Do you believe everything that Frank says. It annoys me the people who give lectures about them who've never actually done them themselves. You can have a great time as long as you're not an idiot with it. Maybe the exceptions being Crack and Heroin.

By the way this doesn't include Weed cos basically everyone has tried that.

[Princess]

I havn't even smoked,let alone done anything else. I barely even drink. I wouldn't ever do drugs but I'm not gonna harp on at other people about it unless it's really serious.

[Benjamin]

I've tried most things (not heroin, would never touch that). I'm not a fan of them to be honest, although when I was younger I hit some of them pretty badly and recklessly. Luckily I grew up.


Although I don't mind the odd spliff now and again, maybe once every few months.

[Vicky.]

Tried most things, not heroin or crack though.

Enjoyed some, dont really like dope...makes me ill.

[MTVN]

I've never done anything worse than weed, although that's not to say I never would. I would never touch cocaine or heroin though I dont think. If people like to do some drugs on the occasional night out it doesnt really bother me, as long as that doesnt turn into an addiction or dependency (which for most people it wont) then Im not going to get judgemental over it

[Kerry]

Never tried any. Never will. Don't care what others do, thats upto them entirely. Won't slate them for it. Just not my thing

[Ramsay]

done shrooms once ..was fairly crazy
done pills a few times they were good..come down is sucha skag though:(
attitude is.. do whatever just dont go overboard (heroin)

[Vicky.]

done pills a few times they were good..come down is sucha skag though:(

I dont get comedowns from pills :D

When I tried speed though I felt like I was actually dying the next day D:

[InOne]

Always loved pills, and never had a comedown either. Maybe it's another myth :shocked:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

D:

[bbfan1991]

I'm anti drugs:D.

[Ramsay]

come downs definatly are not a myth :laugh:
i puked up aload of white **** the next day after i took teh first

[InOne]

come downs definatly are not a myth :laugh:
i puked up aload of white **** the next day after i took teh first

Ew D: lol that would be me off. Never puked or anything

[Ninastar]

Not that bothered about them. Personally wouldn't try any of the 'stronger' drugs, but yeah, there is a few I would try

[Lee.]

Aww.. this thread makes me feel all nostalgic! :(

[InOne]

:joker:

[Iceman]

Done most, I still do them fairly regulalry just nobody knows i do them....wouldnt go near Heroin though......

[Smithy]

Well....I just learnt some interesting things....about niamhs past :o

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

LOL @ people feeling proud for not taking herion

:joker:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

its like oh yeah i did molest that fat ginger kid but i didnt kill her

:joker:

[Ramsay]

http://elfwax.com/wp-content/uploads/carl-sagan-smoke-weed-everyday.jpg

[InOne]

Aww.. this thread makes me feel all nostalgic! :(

I just re read your epic rant :love:

[Lee.]

I just re read your epic rant :love:

I explained to Stu and apologised to him.. It was wayy OTT from me, but at that time, I had my reasons believe me.

Don't know why I am explaining myself to you, but I was over sensitive at the time

[InOne]

I explained to Stu and apologised to him.. It was wayy OTT from me, but at that time, I had my reasons believe me.

Don't know why I am explaining myself to you, but I was over sensitive at the time

Poor Gonzo probably didn't know what hit him.

and everyone has their views it fair enough

[Niamh.]

Poor Gonzo probably didn't know what hit him.

and everyone has their views it fair enough

aw i miss Gonzo:hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

LOL @ people feeling proud for not taking herion

:joker:

Heroin is vile.

Once your hooked you are never truly off it, no matter what the so called experts say.

I could never be mates/even speak to a smackhead. They disgust me.

This might seem a bit hypocritical given that I have taken other drugs myself, but when I was younger I narrowly avoided my little brother falling on a dirty needle down my local park. left by the filthy smackheads the night before. Hence my hate for the scummy bastards.

I think heroin is in a totally different league to everything else.

[InOne]

I think in some cases it's possible. Takes a lot of will power and it's easy to laspe. Best thing is not to hang around with the people you did it with.

[Tom4784]

I've never done any drugs, I just don't care for them. I don't really care for much though, I don't smoke or drink either although I'm not one of those insufferable people who believve themselves to be God's gift because of it. Straight Edge are a pair of words that make me cringe.

I say do what you like as long as you stay safe and no one gets hurt. It's your prerogative, no one else's so I don't judge people for taking them.

[Twilight]

Never tried them. Never will. Sorry just my opinion, but i find them stupid.

[Kerry]

Never tried them. Never will. Sorry just my opinion, but i find them stupid.

You've no need to be sorry. I'm of the same view. Not sorry for it. If people want to do that, fair enough but they should have equal respect for those that dont

[Angus]

There's nothing cool or clever about taking drugs, which includes booze as far as I'm concerned. I feel nothing but pity for people who need such stimulants to make themselves feel good. Why would anyone want to become dependent on poisons that, at the best, damages the body, but at the worst can damage relationships and potentially make a person dangerous to other people?

I'm fed up with hearing of people blaming their vile and anti social behaviour on drugs or alcohol - as far as I'm concerned if you CHOOSE to take them you are totally responsible for whatever happens to you and whatever behaviours you display towards others. Certainly the taxpayer should not have to pick up the tab via the NHS for sorting out drug addicts and alcoholics.

As for so called "recreational" drugs, Lol at the people who say "I won't get addicted", "I know my own limitations", "I won't get hooked", blah blah blah. YEAH RIGHT! Self justification is the usual M.O. of an addict.

But hey, if people want to put crap into their bodies, I really don't give a flying fart so long as they are only ones who suffer from it.

[Pyramid*]

Teenage years growing up in an American influence in the 70's /80's - with friends of my father having fought in Vietnam - drugs were part of how many of them 'coped' - lead me (with their kids) to trying out all sorts: LSD, speed, weed, pills of all sorts (half the time we didn't even know what they were, what the hell we were taking...christ!), coke etc.

Never touched heroin / crack cocaine. LSD probably the 'hardest' I tried, and liked - until I took too much, was out of it for about 3 days and had the most hellish and god awful bad trip - and without a lie, 27 years on - very very occasionally, I still will dream of the 'bad trip' flashback style. Hard to believe but very true.

Some of my parents friends, out of their minds on acid, were badly injured, never recovered. One broke their neck doing silly things such as standing in sinks, and diving to the floor: thinking they 'swimming pools'. Not good.

Now.....lucky if I have a spliff every few months, and stick to the fags and booze.

[MeMyselfAndI]

drugs are stupid
anyone that takes them are asking to die :rolleyes:

[Pyramid*]

drugs are stupid
anyone that takes them are asking to die :rolleyes:

ah right. smoke a spliff and you're going to die. :pat::joker:

[sexyb4ck]

i cant be bothered so ill let these guys tell you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBFScGicAp4

[InOne]

There's nothing cool or clever about taking drugs, which includes booze as far as I'm concerned. I feel nothing but pity for people who need such stimulants to make themselves feel good. Why would anyone want to become dependent on poisons that, at the best, damages the body, but at the worst can damage relationships and potentially make a person dangerous to other people?

I'm fed up with hearing of people blaming their vile and anti social behaviour on drugs or alcohol - as far as I'm concerned if you CHOOSE to take them you are totally responsible for whatever happens to you and whatever behaviours you display towards others. Certainly the taxpayer should not have to pick up the tab via the NHS for sorting out drug addicts and alcoholics.

As for so called "recreational" drugs, Lol at the people who say "I won't get addicted", "I know my own limitations", "I won't get hooked", blah blah blah. YEAH RIGHT! Self justification is the usual M.O. of an addict.

But hey, if people want to put crap into their bodies, I really don't give a flying fart so long as they are only ones who suffer from it.

Who said it's cool or clever? It's people like you that make this country all PC :bored: Guess it all depends how you're brought up. You seem to be going by ridiculous stereotypes and unfounded moral panic.

[InOne]

drugs are stupid
anyone that takes them are asking to die :rolleyes:

Always one :bored:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

drugs are stupid
anyone that takes them are asking to die :rolleyes:

[Iceman]

I've never taken drugs to be cool or clever, I've taken them because I want to and I enjoy the experiences from it..... I can go out and have a load of drik come back the nect day, not know what I did and how I got home, with drugs it's different I remember everything vividly.

[Stu]

I feel nothing but pity for people who need such stimulants to make themselves feel good.
This must be one of the most tiring sentences churned out by the sobriety brigade. One of my golden rules when I was into taking drugs constantly was 'never take them when you are down, only when you are already happy'. It's the best realistic, day to day piece of advice along with learning your tolerance limits that you could ever hope to give anyone about drugs.

I used drugs to expand an already good time. Not to self medicate or make up for something that was missing. We smoke weed to play Rock Band on the PlayStation. To make it better. Or watch Inception. To make that better. Without these things it would be a pretty humdrum experience just smoking and doing nothing but. The simple neurological fact is drugs like that, in situations like that will enhance the time you are having. Just like boozing responsibly on a night out will enhance your night out and will give you lasting, great memories. I cringe when I here self righteous 'good, clean living hurr' morons come out with stuff like 'well a good pumping iron session down at the gym will have you feeling like a good Ecstacy buzz in no time!'.

No. It wont.

It's a bare faced lie to tell people that you can experience everything drugs have to offer within the confines of a fulfilling reality. The next time you have a skydive or jog or kite flying in the park session with your dog that rivals a good, well prepared shared psychedelic experience on something like Psilocybin then you let me know. Really. Do let me know. I want in on it. That's not to piss on sober reality which is obviously the most consistent, come down free expeirence on offer where most of your happy memories will be made. I acknowledge that you see.







To answer the topic my view on drugs runs concurrent with my view on everything else : Do what you bloody well please, just don't hurt others along the way.

[Shaun]

Not fussed really. There're a handful I'd always say no to because of the scare stories / personal experience with them (family members, etc.) but otherwise I'm quite laidback about it all... there's nothing more miserable than a zealot trying to dampen everyone else's lives because their own sucks :bored:

[Z]

I agree with Stu's logic; people who take drugs at a low point are asking for trouble, those who take them to enhance a good time, fair play really. I've done drugs, both were legal at the time (one still is), wanted to see what they were like, I did, now I won't do them again. I'd never touch illegal drugs, and having seen the effect hard drugs had on some of my friends, that decision will always be final. One of my friends was doing heroin for "fun", she came dangerously close to going over that line of casual use to serious problem, lost most of her friends because of it and it's taken a year of weaning herself off these things and trying to rebuild her life to get it back on track; and she didn't even have what I'd consider a full blown drug addiction. It's sad to watch, but there's nothing you can do to discourage someone who wants to get themselves in that situation.

[Stu]

Heroin for fun. Jesus christ. Sadly I have seen it happen to those of whom I knew very loosely. The suburb I live in is pretty ... eh ... low class and I can count five people in the past 18 months who went to school with me who overdosed on the stuff. On that note I am really, really against the 'tough on Heroin users' brigade that seek to crucify drug addicts at the weakest point in their lives. Nobody asks to be a Heroin addict. Sure most of us should know the dangers but often your family, social status, mindset, environment, young age etc can combine to push you to it. I have nothing but sympathy for the true victims of Heroin addiction. Because victims do exist and genuine human beings do exist beneath the veins.

Look at smokers. All of us start it KNOWING it will someday more than likely contribute to our death.

This topic has also made clear to me that you lot clearly consider H to be the big one. Which is wrong. It's nothing compared to Crystal Meth, which all loyal Dog The Bounty Hunter [What?, WHAT?] viewers will be familiar with. A far, far more devestating drug than Heroin without a doubt. If it catches hold big time in either of the British Isles we are screwed.

Meth is horrible stuff. Like being wired to a mains horrible.

[Lee.]

Dog the Bounty Hunter? Dog the ****ing Bounty Hunter?? Jesus! What kind of plebs watch that ****??

*blushes*

[Shaun]

-has watched it from time to time-

His wife is...jesus. I don't know where to start. Those tits could knock out Ali.

[Stu]

She seems to be a bastion of glory to cocksteady males who honestly could not care less what the rest of a woman looks like as long as she has ginormous baps. The son is a little gob****e too. All a pack of gob****es, but it's hard to resist it when you are hungover at 10 in the morning.

[InOne]

I loved it when they all got battered by a load of Ice heads and ran lol

[Lee.]

She's looking better nowadays and has lost a LOT of weight but man those breests!! I've never seen anything like them! Good looking face though

[Stu]

I loved it when they all got battered by a load of Ice heads and ran lol
My personal favourite is when the ditzy daughter unexpectedly caught the criminal mastermind on her own and armed with her Hawiian charm and bun in the oven attempted to stop him with the force of err ... whatever ... then got pushed slightly as the guy ran away.

Cue The Dawg who bursts onto the scene ten minutes later demanding she press charges for assault.

[InOne]

My personal favourite is when the ditzy daughter unexpectedly caught the criminal mastermind on her own and armed with her Hawiian charm and bun in the oven attempted to stop him with the force of err ... whatever ... then got pushed slightly as the guy ran away.

Cue The Dawg who bursts onto the scene ten minutes later demanding she press charged for assault.

Ohhh I remember that, she made such a meal of it lol It looked like she pretty much tripped over herself. The Brother that ike dived on him playing hero would be more likely to get done for assault.

That is one thing that annoys me about the show, all the self righteous stuff they babble on about.

[Jamietwo]

I've tried all drugs to the point of over indulgence over many years , but don't touch them at all now....i think cannabis should be legalized and licensed and the tax should go into rehabs for people with other drug problems. In fact if you legalized all drugs it would massively undermine the criminals power. I like that idea

[Z]

Dooooggg the Bounty Hunterrrrr. My flatmate's obsessed with him, he's hilarious.

[Zippy]

Drugs are for the weak minded.

Thats my general view.

[lily.]

Do you include alcohol/cigarettes in that statement Zippy?

[Vladimir]

Don't see the point of it, but if someone likes it, I'm not going to judge.
Only smoked weed a couple of times, but that's it.

[Zippy]

Do you include alcohol/cigarettes in that statement Zippy?

well to some degree. I mean, most people start off on them through peer pressure or a great need to seem cool or mature. The strong minded who know themselves and don't feel any need to impress will just do their own thing.

But with cigs and booze they can start off pretty young so I guess its more forgivable as they are impressionable and easily led.

But more hardcore drugs taken with direct intent to alter your mindset, yeah, weak minded. Music and good company have always been enough to give me a great night out.

[lily.]

well to some degree. I mean, most people start off on them through peer pressure or a great need to seem cool or mature. The strong minded who know themselves and don't feel any need to impress will just do their own thing.

But with cigs and booze they can start off pretty young so I guess its more forgivable as they are impressionable and easily led.

But more hardcore drugs taken with direct intent to alter your mindset, yeah, weak minded. Music and good company have always been enough to give me a great night out.

I don't think you can generalise. I was never a drinker, and now I don't drink at all. Whereas others my age have serious drink problems.

I used to smoke, but I quit 7 years ago. Others my age are smoking 40+ per day and finding it impossible to quit.

I used to do drugs, but I haven't done them since I was 19/20. I don't consider myself weak minded, or a follower. I didn't do them to impress anyone. I did them because I wanted to. And you could argue that I was young and impressionable, but I think you are wrong to say I was/am weak-minded, because that is one thing I am certainly not.

I don't think there is any difference between drugs, alcohol or cigarettes. All of them ought to be legal. There will always be people who over-indulge, but there will be more who do not.

Anti-drugs campaigners need to get off their high-horse, especially ones who drink and/or smoke. I fail to see how anyone can take the moral high ground when they are indulging in their own brand of legal high.

[Zippy]

I don't think there is any difference between drugs, alcohol or cigarettes. All of them ought to be legal. There will always be people who over-indulge, but there will be more who do not.


Well laws are there to set guidelines and send out a message as to what society finds acceptable. Remove them and you are opening the floodgates. Which may not be pretty. And no form of drug taking should be encouraged at this point. Drugs are addictive and drug addicts are pathetic and useless to society; harsh but true.

If we were starting from scratch I think there is a case to be made that they are equal. But cigs and alcohol have been an acceptable part of our culture for centuries. Industries have been built on them. They are an integral part of society. It's just not realistic to now class them as first class drugs and make them illegal. But that doesnt mean we should now make more hardcore drugs as available and acceptable. Thats backwards logic.

[Angus]

Drugs should never be legalised, and as for alcohol the age limit should be raised to 21 years old. Cigarettes are already "illegal" in the sense that smokers can no longer smoke in most public places which protects non smokers from having to breathe in their obnoxious and potentially lethal smoke. Who is going to protect the public from irresponsible alcoholics/binge drinkers and drug users, especially those who get into a lethal weapon and kill people on the roads, or those that can't handle the stimuli and get violent and aggressive? People who use drugs or drink and drive should have the full weight of the law thrown at them if they're caught - absolutely zero tolerance.

[Stu]

Do people really believe the only reason anyone has ever popped a pill is so everyone noticed how cool they were or because they cannot have a good enough time without it? Jesus H. It's 2010, kids.

Drugs should never be legalised, and as for alcohol the age limit should be raised to 21 years old. Cigarettes are already "illegal" in the sense that smokers can no longer smoke in most public places which protects non smokers from having to breathe in their obnoxious and potentially lethal smoke. Who is going to protect the public from irresponsible alcoholics/binge drinkers and drug users, especially those who get into a lethal weapon and kill people on the roads, or those that can't handle the stimuli and get violent and aggressive? People who use drugs or drink and drive should have the full weight of the law thrown at them if they're caught - absolutely zero tolerance.
I agree. Something a large majority of people will continue to do should absoloutely be left in the hands of criminals because I personally don't like it, so other people who do should suffer or be more like me. If we taxed something like Cannabis all we would end up with is a safer product and enough tax money to build enough schools and hospitals to fill the inside of Jupiter.

Those stoner *******. Lol.

[BB_Eye]

I just think it's unfortunate that we live in a culture that is so blase and bored with life, that people need narcotics to make it seem more interesting or at least make us feel sensations we would otherwise have no access to. The extent to which Brits drink alcohol like water suggests an awful lot of lives one would rather escape from.

Not that I would ban people from having the option. Prohibition of alcohol resulted in mass organised crime in the United States, just as banning cannabis, cocaine and ecstasy results the underground sale of recreational drugs today.

[Jamietwo]

Well laws are there to set guidelines and send out a message as to what society finds acceptable. Remove them and you are opening the floodgates. Which may not be pretty. And no form of drug taking should be encouraged at this point. Drugs are addictive and drug addicts are pathetic and useless to society; harsh but true.

If we were starting from scratch I think there is a case to be made that they are equal. But cigs and alcohol have been an acceptable part of our culture for centuries. Industries have been built on them. They are an integral part of society. It's just not realistic to now class them as first class drugs and make them illegal. But that doesnt mean we should now make more hardcore drugs as available and acceptable. Thats backwards logic.

actually humanity has a long long history of drugs use in various forms and for long periods drugs now considered bad have been acceptable in some cultures and still are.

I find your comments about addicts being pathetic and useless to society a bit hurtful. actually many addicts hold responsible jobs and also have contributed a great deal to society, including many great philosophers artists, politicians etc.

although i respect your right to have an opinion I'd like to gently encourage you to consider that addicts are individuals who all have different stories. I'll give you an example. A close friend of mine who was generally considered to be one of the most thoughtful kind and considerate people and loved by many was an addict, he fought hard against his problems and managed to achieve considerable lengths of time clean but had various issues , which i wont go into out of respect for his privacy . sadly he relapsed and died, but the world was a better place because of his life, addict or not.

addicts can include all kinds of people from sweet old ladies to children who all have their own stories and reasons for the situation they end up in. The stereotype of dangerous young criminals is just a part of the story.

I wouldn't normally respond so emphatically to someone elses opinion which after all is not really any of my business, but i just wanted to ask you to be a little more open minded.

[Niall]

My attitude towards drugs is that they should remain banned. They degrade people's mental and physical health. I understand that one reason for drugs to be legalised is because they are under the control of criminal gangs but I don't think that mind altering substances should be distributed freely by the government.

However I do kinda think that less dangerous drugs such as weed should be legalised as I saw on TV in Holland how everybody there just treats weed as they would in countries where it is illegal. But drugs like ecstasy, meth and heroin should remain strictly banned.

I think the government should help those taking drugs more so they can ween themselves away from them. I've seen the effects of drugs first hand on my brother and I think its awful.

[Stu]

How many people die a year from Ecstacy? Three? Four? How many people get sick from contaminated pills? How many familys are destroyed by harsh sentences handed down for people dancing like a tit for a few hours? It's just another case where the law against the substance causes more harm than the substance itself. It doesn't take a math major.

The governments leading scientific adviser on drugs - Prof. David Nutt - published a report detailing deadpan how horse riding was a far more dangerous pastime.

He was sacked, of course.

[Zippy]

actually humanity has a long long history of drugs use in various forms and for long periods drugs now considered bad have been acceptable in some cultures and still are.

I find your comments about addicts being pathetic and useless to society a bit hurtful. actually many addicts hold responsible jobs and also have contributed a great deal to society, including many great philosophers artists, politicians etc.

although i respect your right to have an opinion I'd like to gently encourage you to consider that addicts are individuals who all have different stories. I'll give you an example. A close friend of mine who was generally considered to be one of the most thoughtful kind and considerate people and loved by many was an addict, he fought hard against his problems and managed to achieve considerable lengths of time clean but had various issues , which i wont go into out of respect for his privacy . sadly he relapsed and died, but the world was a better place because of his life, addict or not.

addicts can include all kinds of people from sweet old ladies to children who all have their own stories and reasons for the situation they end up in. The stereotype of dangerous young criminals is just a part of the story.

I wouldn't normally respond so emphatically to someone elses opinion which after all is not really any of my business, but i just wanted to ask you to be a little more open minded.

Lets not be glamourising drug addicts now. An addict is a slave to their addiction. Thats not a position of strength no matter how you wanna twist it. It's a position of weakness. Hardcore addicts become all consumed by their addiction, its all they can think about from one day to the next.

It's all very well you bringing sweet old ladies and innocent children into the mix but these are far more likely to be abused children or medical drug addictions. I'm referring to adults who choose to take drugs for recreational use. Lets be clear about that otherwise we're covering a huge minefield of issues.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

drugs are nawty

[Niall]

How many people die a year from Ecstacy? Three? Four? How many people get sick from contaminated pills? How many familys are destroyed by harsh sentences handed down for people dancing like a tit for a few hours? It's just another case where the law against the substance causes more harm than the substance itself. It doesn't take a math major.

The governments leading scientific adviser on drugs - Prof. David Nutt - published a report detailing deadpan how horse riding was a far more dangerous pastime.

He was sacked, of course.

Its not the deaths that ecstasy causes, its the mental illnesses that it causes in people which scares me a lot more.

I dunno, if a government took charge of drugs and made them safe then I'd support it but I can't see that happening.

[MTVN]

How many people die a year from Ecstacy? Three? Four? How many people get sick from contaminated pills? How many familys are destroyed by harsh sentences handed down for people dancing like a tit for a few hours? It's just another case where the law against the substance causes more harm than the substance itself. It doesn't take a math major.

The governments leading scientific adviser on drugs - Prof. David Nutt - published a report detailing deadpan how horse riding was a far more dangerous pastime.

He was sacked, of course.

Nutt's logic is completely flawed though. He said horse riding was worse because more people die of it; he said recently that alcohol was more dangerous than heroin because more people die of it. Both claims may be true but to simplify it down to such an extent that you are solely considering deaths just doesnt hold weight in my mind.

[Jamietwo]

Lets not be glamourising drug addicts now. An addict is a slave to their addiction. Thats not a position of strength no matter how you wanna twist it. It's a position of weakness. Hardcore addicts become all consumed by their addiction, its all they can think about from one day to the next.

It's all very well you bringing sweet old ladies and innocent children into the mix but these are far more likely to be abused children or medical drug addictions. I'm referring to adults who choose to take drugs for recreational use. Lets be clear about that otherwise we're covering a huge minefield of issues.

yes maybe to speak of old ladies and children was patronising and manipulative , but these people are addicts as well. i agree that being addicted is not a position of strength, but i disagree that they are necessarily 'pathetic and useless'. and yes addiction does cover an area with a huge minefield of issues, you need to accept this if you're going to enter into the debate with a degree of credibility.

[lily.]

Just because Alcohol has been legal for all this time doesn't make it better than illegal drugs. I'm not suggesting alcohol be made illegal, even though I hold strong feelings about it.

It seems the main reason most drugs are still illegal has more to do with governments aiming to please the people who sip their alcohol and sit in judgement about drug use.

[Jamietwo]

I'm referring to adults who choose to take drugs for recreational use.

well if an adult chooses to take drugs they are not an addict...many people choose to take drugs , once you are addicted you lose choice. Have you ever been addicted to anything?

[Zippy]

you need to accept this if you're going to enter into the debate with a degree of credibility.

er, I was the one who said it so obviously I accept it. :rolleyes:

and Im not interested in having credibility. Im not an expert on drugs...neither are you. I came into this thread stating that I generally see drug users as weak minded. I stand by that but understand there are exceptional cases.

Beyond thinking theyre weak minded I cast no great judgement on them. Everybody knows recreational drugs can lead you to a bad place. If you choose to take that route then you have made your bed.

Again, Im not referring to medication drugs.

[Pyramid*]

er, I was the one who said it so obviously I accept it. :rolleyes:

and Im not interested in having credibility. Im not an expert on drugs...neither are you. I came into this thread stating that I generally see drug users as weak minded. I stand by that but understand there are exceptional cases.

Beyond thinking theyre weak minded I cast no great judgement on them. Everybody knows recreational drugs can lead you to a bad place. If you choose to take that route then you have made your bed.

Again, Im not referring to medication drugs.


But in fairness, you can't ignore medication drugs.... many people are not prescribed them... but plenty take them / procure them for 'recreational' purposes as a choice. Not through necessity of needing them for medical reasons, so I don't think you can dismiss that aspect.

[Zippy]

But in fairness, you can't ignore medication drugs.... many people are not prescribed them... but plenty take them / procure them for 'recreational' purposes as a choice. Not through necessity of needing them for medical reasons, so I don't think you can dismiss that aspect.

but I mean drugs taken for medical reasons that have then become addictive. That is not recreational use.

[Lewis.]

Meh.. luckily enough it's something that I've never experienced in life or had around me in my family.

[Pyramid*]

but I mean drugs taken for medical reasons that have then become addictive. That is not recreational use.

My point is that medicinal drugs are not exclusive on the 'for medical reasons only' stance. They need to be considered in the debate as well. I understand what you are saying, I do, but I also understand what the other poster was saying too.

[Zippy]

My point is that medicinal drugs are not exclusive on the 'for medical reasons only' stance. They need to be considered in the debate as well. I understand what you are saying, I do, but I also understand what the other poster was saying too.

But Im not referring to any specific drugs. I thought Id made it clear that Im referring to adults who take drugs for recreational use? If you're taking prescribed drugs for anything other than medical conditions then that counts as recreational use.

It's about the intent rather than the actual labels on the drugs.

[AlexBigBrother]

I've tried all drugs to the point of over indulgence over many years , but don't touch them at all now....i think cannabis should be legalized and licensed and the tax should go into rehabs for people with other drug problems. In fact if you legalized all drugs it would massively undermine the criminals power. I like that idea

hi pete doherty

[Jamietwo]

er, I was the one who said it so obviously I accept it. :rolleyes:

and Im not interested in having credibility. Im not an expert on drugs...neither are you. I came into this thread stating that I generally see drug users as weak minded. I stand by that but understand there are exceptional cases.

Beyond thinking theyre weak minded I cast no great judgement on them. Everybody knows recreational drugs can lead you to a bad place. If you choose to take that route then you have made your bed.

Again, Im not referring to medication drugs.

I wouldn't describe myself as an expert either , but i do work in a drug and alcohol rehab and from experience i don't see addicts as weak minded, pathetic or useless in fact many of our clients are highly intelligent, creative and successful people and of those who are not when recovered go on to do amazing things. I believe the bottom line with drug use is that people want or need to change the way they feel, that is the common denominator that is combined with the physical addiction. medicinal drugs taken as prescribed are not considered a problem, but many addicts do abuse them for for the same reasons they would abuse any other drug. It is an interesting job and a real privilege to work with such an interesting an diverse set of clients. there are lots of theories about why addiction takes hold of a person, it's not just peer pressure but that obviously plays a part for many. Out of any group of teenage friends who smoke puff and use party drugs it's normal for one or two to go on to become addicts and it is often the more sensitive ones who for the first time feel more able to socialise or find a relief escape difficult feelings. unconscious self medication for various mental ailments and conditions , from depression, reactive stress (after a bereavement for eg) to mild autistic conditions. To say these people are somehow inherently weak (implying lack of moral fiber) is a common misunderstanding which fuels the stigma about addiction and addicts. I don't mean to sound like a complete soft touch, addicts through their addiction can often be a total pain in the arse and cause untold misery to their families and communities and have to face the consequences for this like anyone else. I'm just challenging the notion of them being completely weak, pathetic and useless. thanks x

[Zippy]

well if an adult chooses to take drugs they are not an addict...many people choose to take drugs , once you are addicted you lose choice. Have you ever been addicted to anything?

well quite. So choice comes before addiction.

which means you have time to back away.

And no, because I approach addictive things with great caution...especially if I know theyre bad for my health. Funnily enough, I don't find that very hard to do. It's called being sensible and actually giving a fck about myself and my body.

Some people just don't care enough about themselves. Weak minded people.

[GypsyGoth]

I don't bother with drugs apart from caffeine.

And I think junkies are selfish. I don't understand why someone would want to live like that.

[BB_Eye]

My attitude towards drugs is that they should remain banned. They degrade people's mental and physical health. I understand that one reason for drugs to be legalised is because they are under the control of criminal gangs but I don't think that mind altering substances should be distributed freely by the government.

However I do kinda think that less dangerous drugs such as weed should be legalised as I saw on TV in Holland how everybody there just treats weed as they would in countries where it is illegal. But drugs like ecstasy, meth and heroin should remain strictly banned.

I think the government should help those taking drugs more so they can ween themselves away from them. I've seen the effects of drugs first hand on my brother and I think its awful.But there is no evidence that ecstacy is more harmful than legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco. It's ludicrous how much the dangers of this drug are blown out of proportion, just because it's not a multi billion pound corporate industry like those said drugs are.

[Jamietwo]

hi pete doherty

oh hi :) does my bum look big in this hat?

[Stu]

Its not the deaths that ecstasy causes, its the mental illnesses that it causes in people which scares me a lot more.

I dunno, if a government took charge of drugs and made them safe then I'd support it but I can't see that happening.
The jury is still out on long term mental effects taking MDMA can have. Serotogenic changes have been observed in rats who have been blitzed in laboratory experiments with Happy Monday's style doses of the drug. Taking Ecstacy every day for a few years as many people did back in the rave heyday can exhibit serotonin imbalances or psychological changes in the human brain but then again these people were always idiots for taking it everyday. That would fall under gross abuse. Dropping pills soley on the weekend every now and then is not going to impair much on your mental health, I would imagine.

And yes, the government could very, very easily make all drugs safer. Dosage is the main problem with illegal drugs. Simply put you go from A to B straight away. The manner in which MDMA or something similar is taken would be akin to necking back a bottle of high proof vodka straight to get absoloutely rat arsed within minutes. If the chemical were legal could you not very easily lagerize it into a liquid, drinkable solution that has a very pleasant, slow release effect? Obviously some people would still abuse it but the vast majority of happy, open minded people should not be punished severely for the folly of the few as some slightly more sheltered people in this thread seem to think.

What about Cannabis? Most uneducated people seem to forget when discussing the mental health implications of smoking high grade skunk that this is yet another problem of prohibition, not the substance itself. Cannabis is being grown improper for fast and cheap by greedy blitzkrieg style growers who are simply trying to selectively breed the stuff to death so it has super high levels of the mindracing, psychoactive chemical THC but very, very low levels of CBD - Cannabidiol. The other Cannabinoid in the Cannabis plant that people seem to forget about.

It's an antipsychotic chemical that doesn't destroy the high but merely calms and mellows out the more mind bending effects of the THC. It also reduces growth of aggressive human breast cancer cells in vitro and reduces their invasiveness. It has also been shown to relieve convulsion, inflammation, anxiety, and nausea amongst other things.

Of course all of this is heavy reading for people who would much rather sit on their hands and denounce anyone who dares to light one up as someone leading an unfulfilled, dismal life of servitude to chemicals. If they don't like something, others who do should have the book thrown at them. A pattern of thought as dangerous as any bag of Crystal Meth.

[Niall]

The jury is still out on long term mental effects taking MDMA can have. Serotogenic changes have been observed in rats who have been blitzed in laboratory experiments with Happy Monday's style doses of the drug. Taking Ecstacy every day for a few years as many people did back in the rave heyday can exhibit serotonin imbalances or psychological changes in the human brain but then again these people were always idiots for taking it everyday. That would fall under gross abuse. Dropping pills soley on the weekend every now and then is not going to impair much on your mental health, I would imagine.

And yes, the government could very, very easily make all drugs safer. Dosage is the main problem with illegal drugs. Simply put you go from A to B straight away. The manner in which MDMA or something similar is taken would be akin to necking back a bottle of high proof vodka straight to get absoloutely rat arsed within minutes. If the chemical were legal could you not very easily lagerize it into a liquid, drinkable solution that has a very pleasant, slow release effect? Obviously some people would still abuse it but the vast majority of happy, open minded people should not be punished severely for the folly of the few as some slightly more sheltered people in this thread seem to think.

What about Cannabis? Most uneducated people seem to forget when discussing the mental health implications of smoking high grade skunk that this is yet another problem of prohibition, not the substance itself. Cannabis is being grown improper for fast and cheap by greedy blitzkrieg style growers who are simply trying to selectively breed the stuff to death so it has super high levels of the mindracing, psychoactive chemical THC but very, very low levels of CBD - Cannabidiol. The other Cannabinoid in the Cannabis plant that people seem to forget about.

It's an antipsychotic chemical that doesn't destroy the high but merely calms and mellows out the more mind bending effects of the THC. It also reduces growth of aggressive human breast cancer cells in vitro and reduces their invasiveness. It has also been shown to relieve convulsion, inflammation, anxiety, and nausea amongst other things.

Of course all of this is heavy reading for people who would much rather sit on their hands and denounce anyone who dares to light one up as someone leading an unfulfilled, dismal life of servitude to chemicals. If they don't like something, others who do should have the book thrown at them. A pattern of thought as dangerous as any bag of Crystal Meth.

Do you know what Stu? I've always been undecided on whether drugs should be legalised or not and I have to say your post has converted me. I've always thought that legalising cannabis would be a good idea it was just all the other drugs I was confused about. But you've cleared that up for me now.

I never actually knew ecstasy could be manufactured into a drink. That sounds like a brilliant idea if it makes the drug less intensive.

[Stu]

Well don't just take it from me. There is a wealth of information out there. As for MDMA's beverage potential virtually anything can be consumed in a drink. Even Cannabis's [fat soluble] chemicals can be extracted and used in a drink.

[Niall]

Tbh I have been thinking about it for a while and its what you said up there that convinced me. And cool.