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You know when we were all at primary school? Remember the last few days before the end of term were relaxed and non stop fun?
Well it was my daughters 2nd last day yesterday and part of their "fun day" involved watching a film about Jesus Christ!! She told me all about it today and her words were " oh mummy, I couldn't even look when they made Jesus stand at a cross and hammer a nail through his wrist! He was still alive!!" WTF??
Last easter I had to sit through an excruciating school service where Reverend Thom told them the same story including all about his resurrection.. Do you know how difficult it is to explain to a 6 year old that people dont come back to life!
Makes me mad!
Mystic Mock
21-12-2010, 08:33 PM
but i am alive again so you told your daughter the truth.:hugesmile:
all jokes aside it is not nice to show films off like that to 6 year olds.
So what do you want to do, protect them from the the story of Jesus' crucifixition their whole lives? They will learn about it someday, I dont see the problem with watching it. I saw a film about it as well when I was about that age.
And at an Easter service they're obviously going to tell the story of Easter. Whether you believe it or not, that is what Christians believe happened and that is the whole reason we have Easter
Sorry, but I dont see why it'd make you mad tbh
Jack_
21-12-2010, 08:36 PM
Is it a religious school?
And unfortunately, things seem to have changed nowadays...there's not much 'fun' stuff around the last days of term anymore. And if there is, it always has to be related to some educational aspect - quite often the subject you're actually present in too. So if I was in Maths, we could play a game...but it'd have to be a Maths game. I think it's because some people just don't bother coming in on the last day because 'it's just games all day' was the excuse they were using...and so they had to change that.
Stupid, I know...but there you go.
So what do you want to do, protect them from the the story of Jesus' crucifixition their whole lives? They will learn about it someday, I dont see the problem with watching it. I saw a film about it as well when I was about that age.
And at an Easter service they're obviously going to tell the story of Easter. Whether you believe it or not, that is what Christians believe happened and that is the whole reason we have Easter
Sorry, but I dont see why it'd make you mad tbh
If I wanted my daughter to be learn about religion, I'd send her to church.. Schools should be for learning maths, English, science,languages etc..
My daughter had just lost her great gran (and her rabbit) soobviously she was delighted when Rev Thom (or the prime minister as she refers to him) happened to mention that people could come back to life!
I'm all for teaching children the deiiferences in religion and cultures all over the world but to fill their head with far fetched stories at such a young age is just wrong IMO!
If I wanted my daughter to be learn about religion, I'd send her to church.. Schools should be for learning maths, English, science,languages etc..
My daughter had just lost her great gran (and her rabbit) soobviously she was delighted when Rev Thom (or the prime minister as she refers to him) happened to mention that people could come back to life!
I'm all for teaching children the deiiferences in religion and cultures all over the world but to fill their head with far fetched stories at such a young age is just wrong IMO!
R.E is now a compulsory subject as well I believe; it is expected that she will learn the history of Christianity isnt it?
I dont know whether it is a religous school or how much they've taught about Christianity but I would have thought it would be made clear that Jesus was a bit of a special case?
They are just saying what is said in the Bible, you may personally believe it is far fetched stories but I doubt they will. Why would crucifixtion be far fetched anyway? Personally, I dont think you can ignore the reason behind these holidays. If you dont believe in God fair enough, but the whole point of Easter is supposed to be to celebrate Jesus' resurrection so it's not that surprising that it was mentioned in an Easter service
Shaun
21-12-2010, 08:48 PM
I don't mean to sound judgmental LOL but surely you should've known the religious nature of the school when you were applying for a place?
I mean from my experience (I went to a Church of England school) there really wasn't that much religious input. I assume there're secular primaries available.
I don't mean to sound judgmental LOL but surely you should've known the religious nature of the school when you were applying for a place?
I mean from my experience (I went to a Church of England school) there really wasn't that much religious input. I assume there're secular primaries available.
It's not a religious school.. Just a run of the mill primary school!
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
21-12-2010, 08:53 PM
the other day when i went with my mum to pick my neice up from school all the kids were coming out in tears and i was like omg whats happened D:
then the teacher told my mum it was because they had watched bambi and i know i shouldnt but i was like
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:
R.E is now a compulsory subject as well I believe; it is expected that she will learn the history of Christianity isnt it?
I dont know whether it is a religous school or how much they've taught about Christianity but I would have thought it would be made clear that Jesus was a bit of a special case?
They are just saying what is said in the Bible, you may personally believe it is far fetched stories but I doubt they will. Why would crucifixtion be far fetched anyway? Personally, I dont think you can ignore the reason behind these holidays. If you dont believe in God fair enough, but the whole point of Easter is supposed to be to celebrate Jesus' resurrection so it's not that surprising that it was mentioned in an Easter service
Yeah but the service was for the nursery kids, P1 2 & 3, so we're talking age 3- 7. Surely you agree that that much detail is too much for infants? I mean, Iwould imagine they will at some point learn about Hitler but I wouldn't expect them to show 6 year olds images of women and children being gassed!
the other day when i went with my mum to pick my neice up from school all the kids were coming out in tears and i was like omg whats happened D:
then the teacher told my mum it was because they had watched bambi and i know i shouldnt but i was like
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:
God, Bambi is bad! My little un cried her eyes out the first time we watched it!
Yeah but the service was for the nursery kids, P1 2 & 3, so we're talking age 3- 7. Surely you agree that that much detail is too much for infants? I mean, Iwould imagine they will at some point learn about Hitler but I wouldn't expect them to show 6 year olds images of women and children being gassed!
Hmm true, I dont know how much detail there was but yeah there does have to be a line
Kerry
21-12-2010, 09:05 PM
I'd just explain the truth that sadly people don't come back once they die and that the bible is just a story that some people believe and some people don't
Jack_
21-12-2010, 09:14 PM
the other day when i went with my mum to pick my neice up from school all the kids were coming out in tears and i was like omg whats happened D:
then the teacher told my mum it was because they had watched bambi and i know i shouldnt but i was like
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:
:laugh3:
joeysteele
21-12-2010, 09:30 PM
I would say its an odd event to cover at the Christmas season,I really think that for children as young as your child then you should have been made aware of what they were going to cover and for them to ask for your view as to whether you wanted her to watch it or not.
Easter is a very different time so this film was more appropriate then, still though I would say with your permission.
You have a right to feel rather disappointed with the School at the very least.
InOne
21-12-2010, 10:34 PM
I don't think they expect many kids to question or even think about it.
I don't think they expect many kids to question or even think about it.
You're joking? Kids question everything!
InOne
22-12-2010, 12:00 AM
You're joking? Kids question everything!
Yeah but I never figured kids paid attention to such detail if you get me. I never paid attention in church D:
I would say its an odd event to cover at the Christmas season,I really think that for children as young as your child then you should have been made aware of what they were going to cover and for them to ask for your view as to whether you wanted her to watch it or not.
Easter is a very different time so this film was more appropriate then, still though I would say with your permission.
You have a right to feel rather disappointed with the School at the very least.
It wasn't a film solely about the resurrection..it must have been about his whole life, as she was talking about him as a baby too. (some confusion over who his dad was; Joseph or God?!)
I don't mind the nativity story, but to tell them absolute rubbish like his ability to walk on water and come back from the dead really gets to to me!
Jessica.
22-12-2010, 12:15 AM
:bored: Kids in Ireland learn about that stuff from the age of four, it's not a big deal.
I'm all for teaching children the deiiferences in religion and cultures all over the world but to fill their head with far fetched stories at such a young age is just wrong IMO!
Surely all children's "reading" material is far-fetched ?
Fairy stories, Christmas, Panto, Comics, Cartoons ..... to name a few .....
InOne
22-12-2010, 12:27 AM
Jesus loves you. Well, maybe...
Surely all children's "reading" material is far-fetched ?
Fairy stories, Christmas, Panto, Comics, Cartoons ..... to name a few .....
Yeah, but they know these are make believe (although my one swears she's seen Peter Pan!)
They are getting told in a very serious manner from people they trust (their teachers) that this is actually true! It's just madness to me!
My daughter is clever enough to differentiate between fairy tales and real life, but her questions re JC are just too much!..
Is Jesus real? (me; yip)
Is God real (me; hmmm)
Was Jesus bad? (me; no)
Why would they hammer nails through his wrists? (me; hmmm)
Did Jesus come back to life? (me; nope, that's not true)
Why did Rev Thom say he did? (me;cos that's what he believes)
Can The Gran come back to life (me; nope)
Can Thumpy come back tolife? (me; nope)
She's never asked i I believe if a pumpkin can be turned into a golden coach.. she just knows that they're fairy tales
:bored: Kids in Ireland learn about that stuff from the age of four, it's not a big deal.
That is probably one of the reason's why Ireland is so ****ed up
Yeah, but they know these are make believe (although my one swears she's seen Peter Pan!)
They are getting told in a very serious manner from people they trust (their teachers) that this is actually true! It's just madness to me!
My daughter is clever enough to differentiate between fairy tales and real life, but her questions re JC are just too much!..
Is Jesus real? (me; yip)
Is God real (me; hmmm)
Was Jesus bad? (me; no)
Why would they hammer nails through his wrists? (me; hmmm)
Did Jesus come back to life? (me; nope, that's not true)
Why did Rev Thom say he did? (me;cos that's what he believes)
Can The Gran come back to life (me; nope)
Can Thumpy come back tolife? (me; nope)
She's never asked i I believe if a pumpkin can be turned into a golden coach.. she just knows that they're fairy tales
Well they hammered nails through his wrists as punishment because they thought he was lying, why not say that?
And you kind of put your foot in it by telling her Jesus was real, not denying God's existance and then saying that he didnt come back to life tbh :p
GypsyGoth
22-12-2010, 12:49 AM
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InOne
22-12-2010, 12:53 AM
:joker:
Well they hammered nails through his wrists as punishment because they thought he was lying, why not say that?
And you kind of put your foot in it by telling her Jesus was real, not denying God's existance and then saying that he didnt come back to life tbh :p
Oh yeah.. I'm going to tell a 6 year old that the normal punishment for lying is crucifiction!
How did I out my foot in it? I believe there was a man called Jesus.. I don't belive in god though. I don't belive JC's mam was a virgin,I don't belive he could walk on water and I certainly don't belive he rose from the dead! It's NOT true and anybody who argues these points with me must be barking!
Mystic Mock
22-12-2010, 01:15 AM
Jesus loves you. Well, maybe...
i do.:joker:
I can not be bothered to read all of that but yes you are right to be angry, it's a humans right to experience all emotions.
Oh yeah.. I'm going to tell a 6 year old that the normal punishment for lying is crucifiction!
How did I out my foot in it? I believe there was a man called Jesus.. I don't belive in god though. I don't belive JC's mam was a virgin,I don't belive he could walk on water and I certainly don't belive he rose from the dead! It's NOT true and anybody who argues these points with me must be barking!
Umm.. where did I say "normal" punishment? I didnt. It was simply the punishment they used for Jesus, nothing normal about it, well it wouldnt be normal today. Back then crucifixition was a method of punishment, I dont see the problem with telling your daughter what used to be done.
You told her that Jesus was real, you didnt deny the existance of God, therefore it is logical for her to assume that what she heard about Jesus was correct. I dont care whether you think Christians are "barking" or not, but you cannot ignore the fact that Easter & Christmas exist because of Christianity and I'm not surprised the school discussed the origins behind the two holidays.
Look, you asked for members opinions and I gave you mine. That's fine if you dont agree with me but dont get wound up over what I say after you ask for input.
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
22-12-2010, 01:31 AM
i was desensitised to this stuff at an early age coz i sneaked the evil dead out of my sisters room and watched it when i was like 5
i pissed the bed every night for weeks after :bawling:
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
22-12-2010, 01:32 AM
I can not be bothered to read all of that but yes you are right to be angry, it's a humans right to experience all emotions.
:joker:
Umm.. where did I say "normal" punishment? I didnt. It was simply the punishment they used for Jesus, nothing normal about it, well it wouldnt be normal today. Back then crucifixition was a method of punishment, I dont see the problem with telling your daughter what used to be done.
You told her that Jesus was real, you didnt deny the existance of God, therefore it is logical for her to assume that what she heard about Jesus was correct. I dont care whether you think Christians are "barking" or not, but you cannot ignore the fact that Easter & Christmas exist because of Christianity and I'm not surprised the school discussed the origins behind the two holidays.
Look, you asked for members opinions and I gave you mine. That's fine if you dont agree with me but dont get wound up over what I say after you ask for input.
I'm not wound up at all.. not in the slightest. This thing we're doing is called deabte and is perfectly healthy and not personal in the slightest. I like you but also like the fact that we can discuss our differing opinions, hopefull without falling out..
However, I need to sleep so shall hit they hay now.
To be continued... :)
I'm not wound up at all.. not in the slightest. This thing we're doing is called deabte and is perfectly healthy and not personal in the slightest. I like you but also like the fact that we can discuss our differing opinions, hopefull without falling out..
However, I need to sleep so shall hit they hay now.
To be continued... :)
Ok, fair enough :)
Guess I was wrong, I just thought you seemed a bit pissed off :laugh:
letmein
22-12-2010, 07:43 AM
R.E is now a compulsory subject as well I believe; it is expected that she will learn the history of Christianity isnt it?
I dont know whether it is a religous school or how much they've taught about Christianity but I would have thought it would be made clear that Jesus was a bit of a special case?
They are just saying what is said in the Bible, you may personally believe it is far fetched stories but I doubt they will. Why would crucifixtion be far fetched anyway? Personally, I dont think you can ignore the reason behind these holidays. If you dont believe in God fair enough, but the whole point of Easter is supposed to be to celebrate Jesus' resurrection so it's not that surprising that it was mentioned in an Easter service
"Easter" came from the Pagans, and the Christians stole it. That's just a historical fact.
letmein
22-12-2010, 07:44 AM
It's not a religious school.. Just a run of the mill primary school!
Then you have every right to be angry, and I would do something about it. I'm not sure what the laws are in your country of origin though.
Then you have every right to be angry, and I would do something about it. I'm not sure what the laws are in your country of origin though.
Oh I don't think there are any laws involved really.. I'm not bothered about them learning about religion, as long as they are taught about other religions too and don't have Christianity rammed down their throat and told that that's the only religion! I just think that for infants,the school makes things a bit graphic :(
That can be pretty hard to explain to a child! Why show it at such a young age? They're not going to understand the whole extent of it all
That can be pretty hard to explain to a child! Why show it at such a young age? They're not going to understand the whole extent of it all
That's kinda how I feel.. I mean, I've nothing against the yearly nativity play,they always make it fun and it's lovely to see and they are made aware of Jesus and the xmas story through that, but to show them a film of Jesus having a nail hammered through his wrist whilst alive (this is what seems to have upset her the most;the fact that he was alive) is IMO a little OTT for 6 year olds..
Jack_
22-12-2010, 02:06 PM
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Jords
22-12-2010, 02:08 PM
I can not be bothered to read all of that but yes you are right to be angry, it's a humans right to experience all emotions.
:laugh2:
Harry!
22-12-2010, 02:08 PM
This is why schools have become to PC and 'Health and Saftey'. The story of Jesus' crucifixition shouldn't be taught at christmas time as it is not the correct time as it happened.
Mystic Mock
22-12-2010, 04:49 PM
Oh I don't think there are any laws involved really.. I'm not bothered about them learning about religion, as long as they are taught about other religions too and don't have Christianity rammed down their throat and told that that's the only religion! I just think that for infants,the school makes things a bit graphic :(
well my primary school was a church of england and i learnt more about the muslim religion than the others.:joker:
Barbie
22-12-2010, 04:59 PM
Your daughter is going to be exposed to religion, she will make up her own mind on the matter and probably like you decide its a load of rubbish.
the video is a bit worrying for me, depends on how graphic the film was. I remember being shown one of it and for my age then it was too graphic. This is the only bit you should be annoyed about i think.
Mystic Mock
22-12-2010, 05:01 PM
i saw my first jesus christ film at school when i was 10,so im surprised op that your daughter saw it at only 6 years old.
InOne
22-12-2010, 06:49 PM
All you CofE lot :bored: You're gonna burn in Hell
All you CofE lot :bored: You're gonna burn in Hell
I was baptised a Catholic then sent to a CoE school :/
InOne
22-12-2010, 11:49 PM
I was baptised a Catholic then sent to a CoE school :/
:devil:
:devil:
I'm hoping I get away with a few years in purgatory :angel:
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