Elton John buys a baby boy

[arista]

Why not a Baby Girl?

Why does it Have to be a boy.


This Stinks


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/28/article-1342092-0C9456E0000005DC-752_468x676.jpg
Proud parents: Sir Elton John and David Furnish seen shopping in Beverly Hills last week. They are now parents to a healthy baby boy

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1342092/Elton-John-David-Furnish-welcome-son-Zachary-help-surrogate-mother.html#ixzz19PXNjjaM

[red]

Nice Xmas prezzie :D

[Harry!]

:bored:

I don't see the Daily Mail fussing about this story when they fuss about any other celebrity adoptions.

[Iceman]

:bored:

I don't see the Daily Mail fussing about this story when they fuss about any other celebrity adoptions.

He went through surrogacy, he didnt go to a country and pick one out like a puppy.

[Pyramid*]

Why not a Baby Girl?

Why does it Have to be a boy.


This Stinks




Errr... because like any other parent to be who adopts... they have a choice in whether to opt for a boy or a girl. Why does it stink? Because you don't agree with his choice? :conf:

His money, his choice.

I'm more respectful of Elton doing this, having been in a solid relationship for many many years - than someone like Madonna for example - who has different partners every few years - at least Elton & David have long term stability about them.

[arista]

He should have had a baby Girl.

[Pyramid*]

He should have had a baby Girl.

Why? Why SHOULD he have?

His choice. Not yours.

[arista]

Why? Why SHOULD he have?

His choice. Not yours.


Because it would Punish him
and be Harder work.

[Harry!]

He went through surrogacy, he didnt go to a country and pick one out like a puppy.

But still if it was any other celebrity there would be a outpour of negative energy.

Errr... because like any other parent to be who adopts... they have a choice in whether to opt for a boy or a girl. Why does it stink? Because you don't agree with his choice? :conf:

His money, his choice.

I'm more respectful of Elton doing this, having been in a solid relationship for many many years - than someone like Madonna for example - who has different partners every few years - at least Elton & David have long term stability about them.

Madonna had a partner for 9 years before she had a divorce :bored:

[arista]

He went through surrogacy, he didnt go to a country and pick one out like a puppy.


Yes he Did
But it had to be a Boy



No Girls permitted.


That Stinks

[Tom4784]

it was a surrogacy, I don't think he had much choice in the matter either way Arista :laugh:

[Pyramid*]

Because it would Punish him
and be Harder work.

Nice informative, interesting & intelligent post. :sleep:

But still if it was any other celebrity there would be a outpour of negative energy.



Madonna had a partner for 9 years before she had a divorce :bored:

Not so. Many 'celebrities' have adopted without outpouring of negative energy. Usually the ones who jumped on the 'latest fad' bandwagon.

Read my post again Harry..... I said 'for example'. I didn't use Madonna as an absolute. Since her divorce, she's had quite a few partners - in and out, in and out......

[Pyramid*]

it was a surrogacy, I don't think he had much choice in the matter either way Arista :laugh:

:laugh2:

Oh err... good point!!

[Harry!]

Nice informative, interesting & intelligent post. :sleep:



Not so. Many 'celebrities' have adopted without outpouring of negative energy. Usually the ones who jumped on the 'latest fad' bandwagon.

Read my post again Harry..... I said 'for example'. I didn't use Madonna as an absolute. Since her divorce, she's had quite a few partners - in and out, in and out......

Madonna's life for the past few years has been unstable , including her carrear.

[Kazanne]

Why not a Baby Girl?

Why does it Have to be a boy.


This Stinks


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/28/article-1342092-0C9456E0000005DC-752_468x676.jpg
Proud parents: Sir Elton John and David Furnish seen shopping in Beverly Hills last week. They are now parents to a healthy baby boy

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1342092/Elton-John-David-Furnish-welcome-son-Zachary-help-surrogate-mother.html#ixzz19PXNjjaM

I think it was a surrogate mum,so perhaps that is just what came.

[Pyramid*]

Madonna had a partner for 9 years before she had a divorce :bored:

Madonna's life for the past few years has been unstable , including her carrear.

Which proves my very point.

The same point that you have contradicted yourself on between your two posts above.

[arista]

it was a surrogacy, I don't think he had much choice in the matter either way Arista :laugh:



You are Having a Laugh.


No way in Hell would Elton have a Girl


it would have been have been put in the bin
at the Early stage,


this was like a Shopping trip Part 2.


With UnLimited Funding
Elton made sure no baby Girl was alive
for him.
It Stinks - I tell You.

[arista]

:laugh2:

Oh err... good point!!


You lack the Full Info.

[Pyramid*]

You lack the Full Info.


Ah...I think I have the full info... you're just doing a bit of posting absolute pish to help see in an otherwise boring day. Surely you could have thought of something a bit more....well..... challenging?

[arista]

Ah...I think I have the full info... you're just doing a bit of posting absolute pish to help see in an otherwise boring day. Surely you could have thought of something a bit more....well..... challenging?


Are You Telling Me
If it was A Girl


Elton would take it?

[cub]

What kind of parent will Elton be? He can't even look after himself. It's just a status thing. I can't see him doing the school run and so on.

[Pyramid*]

Are You Telling Me
If it was A Girl


Elton would take it?

Prove to me he would not have.

[Pyramid*]

What kind of parent will Elton be? He can't even look after himself. It's just a status thing. I can't see him doing the school run and so on.

Given his age, I think it's fair to say he managed to look after himself well enough.....

I'd have thought he wouldn't be doing the 'school run'. After all, many 'normal parents' don't do the school run... seeing as many are out working - and either are already in work, or on their way to work. Don't see that being an issue for everyday folk, not doing the school run.

[arista]

Prove to me he would not have.



You are having a Laugh


No way in Hell would Elton Pay for a Baby Girl,
Thats Right they made sure there Money Bought a Baby Boy.




It Stinks.

[Pyramid*]

You are having a Laugh


No way in Hell would Elton Pay for a Naby Girl,
Thats Right they made sure there Money Bought a Naby Boy.




It Stinks.


Okay. So you can't prove it.

That's your argument kinda fecked then eh.

[arista]

Okay. So you can't prove it.

That's your argument kinda fecked then eh.



Money Proves it.

Any Baby Girls were withdrawn
Only Baby Boys got through.




It Stinks.

[Pyramid*]

Money Proves it.

Any Baby Girls were withdrawn
Only Baby Boys got through.




It Stinks.

Yeah.. so you've said.

His money, his choice, his child. He can make whatever choice he wishes to.

Do you protest as much about the many who actually go to the bother of aborting female babies (and do so repeatedly) as females are not wanted, only male children? I'd say that was something that would be far more deserving a cause for your consternation.

[Tom4784]

You are Having a Laugh.


No way in Hell would Elton have a Girl


it would have been have been put in the bin
at the Early stage,


this was like a Shopping trip Part 2.


With UnLimited Funding
Elton made sure no baby Girl was alive
for him.
It Stinks - I tell You.

You do know how surrogacy works right? They can't really back out after it's all set in motion.

[arista]

You do know how surrogacy works right? They can't really back out after it's all set in motion.


Yes.



And you are wrong as this info before the baby is in a Lawyers Safe.



So you set up a Baby on this system it comes back after it is born as a Girl.
Eltons Legal team refused those.

When a Baby Boy came
the 2nd Contract came in.



Dezzy no way in Hell was the Elton and other bloke
having a Baby Girl.

Money Rules Here

[arista]

"The couple made their surprise announcement to U.S. magazine Us,
saying that out of respect for the surrogate mother's privacy
they would not be disclosing any further information"


Dezzy with so much Cash
you can Ensure all Baby Girls are chucked,
Until a Baby Boy pops out.

Elton Paid For a Baby Boy.
No Baby Girls Fit his Vision.



It Stinks

[Pyramid*]

"The couple made their surprise announcement to U.S. magazine Us,
saying that out of respect for the surrogate mother's privacy
they would not be disclosing any further information"


Dezzy with so much Cash
you can Ensure all Baby Girls are chucked,
Until a Baby Boy pops out.

Elton Paid For a Baby Boy.
No Baby Girls Fit his Vision.



It Stinks

Prove it.

Oh wait. You can't. :sleep:

Apart from anything, this concerns the surrogate mother, the parents to be and the child - the adults there are at liberty to chose not to disclose any personal information that they wish not to be made public. That's nothing to do with money - but it is everything to do with the laws of privacy.


On a side your posting style is far more annoying.

[arista]

"this concerns the surrogate mother"


Yes she is Rich now.
You need to Understand
That Elton Does Not Want a Baby Girl.


He Only wants a Baby Boy.

Thats why it Stinks.
No Baby Girls were looked at.

[Pyramid*]

"this concerns the surrogate mother"


Yes she is Rich now.
You need to Understand
That Elton Does Not Want a Baby Girl.


He Only wants a Baby Boy.

Thats why it Stinks.
No Baby Girls were looked at.
the only thing I need to understand is that, despite your rather limited conversational abilities or provision of absolute proof on the matter - this is simply nothing more than you saying you don't like it.

As I asked earlier on: are you so passionate about all the thousands upon thousands of abortions that are carried out on female babies - terminated for no other reason than that they are not of male sex?

I bet you don't even bat an eyelid at that, or give that a second thought.

so what. Elton is rich. If he has done what you think he has, if he had several surrogate mothers on the go, you can be as sure as hell that each of them will want for nothing - and that includes any child he may or may not have decided he did not want. They will be well looked after finanacially for the rest of their lives - if what you are digging at,has gone on. If so.... it's hardly like there are any real losers in the whole scenario.

There. You can put your petted lip away now..... all is well.

[arista]

No Digging
This is Simple
No Baby Girl was Wanted by Elton.


Only a Baby Boy.


That Stinks.

[Shaun]

Why wouldn't he want a baby girl, arista?

[Pyramid*]

No Digging
This is Simple
No Baby Girl was Wanted by Elton.


Only a Baby Boy.


That Stinks.

Strange that the record seem to be stuck as far as Elton is concerned: but you completely shy away from answering my question that I've asked a few times now:

As I asked earlier on: are you so passionate about all the thousands upon thousands of abortions that are carried out on female babies - terminated for no other reason than that they are not of male sex?

I bet you don't even bat an eyelid at that, or give that a second thought.


that's a damn sight worse.

As for Elton...



So what???

and???

It's his choice. His. Not yours. His. The End.

[arista]

"It's his choice. "


Bang On Right

Elton Only wanted a Baby Boy.

No BabyGirls can enter his Zone.

[arista]

Why wouldn't he want a baby girl, arista?


Thats the Question he keeps secret.


He should have been Given a Baby Girl.


But his Money Ensured in his Zone
only a Baby Boy can live.


It Stinks

[Pyramid*]

Thats the Question he keeps secret.


He should have been Given a Baby Girl.


But his Money Ensured in his Zone
only a Baby Boy can live.


It Stinks

Here, have this. It's your very own award....

http://blogs.salon.com/0002786/images/2005/07/01/bush_at_fort_bragg.jpg

[Livia]

You are having a Laugh


No way in Hell would Elton Pay for a Baby Girl,
Thats Right they made sure there Money Bought a Baby Boy.




It Stinks.

As in so many of your posts Arista, you're making it up as you go along.

[Angus]

What kind of parent will Elton be? He can't even look after himself. It's just a status thing. I can't see him doing the school run and so on.

He's the sort of parent who will can afford the best nannies and schools for his son and will be leaving his child a multi millionaire when he pops his clogs in a few years' time. Seeing as he used a surrogate mother, perhaps he provided the sperm so at least he will be the biological father.

[bbfan1991]

Congratulations to them:).

[cub]

He's the sort of parent who will can afford the best nannies and schools for his son and will be leaving his child a multi millionaire when he pops his clogs in a few years' time. Seeing as he used a surrogate mother, perhaps he provided the sperm so at least he will be the biological father.

He's just a bored millionaire. Watch him tire of it in a few years.

[arista]

As in so many of your posts Arista, you're making it up as you go along.


Nothing to make Up.


His Money Ensured he would only have a BabyBoy


No Baby Gils can Enter his Zone..

[InOne]

Doesn't Elton have like 20 god kids or something? His money will be stretched when he dies.

[Pyramid*]

Nothing to make Up.


His Money Ensured he would only have a BabyBoy


No Baby Gils can Enter his Zone..



It Stinks

I fixed your post for you Arista, you left a bit out.

[Angus]

He's just a bored millionaire. Watch him tire of it in a few years.

So basically people only breed out of boredom, not because perhaps they actually have the very human desire to have a child of their own that they can love and nurture? At least he can support any child he has without expecting everyone else to.

[Angus]

Nothing to make Up.


His Money Ensured he would only have a BabyBoy


No Baby Gils can Enter his Zone..

You need to get yourself a job with the media Arista, what with your insightful inside information-you'd either make a fortune or be sued to high heaven for libel:rolleyes:

[Zippy]

LOL @ arista on this thread.

there's no talking sense to him when he acts like this.

Congrats, Elton & David. Lucky child....whatever sex it is.

[Malza]

Only thing that bothers me about this adoption is, that it's a quite selfish act to adopt a child at the age of 62.
I doubt the kid will have as much play time and activities with his father, like kids with a "normal" age father.
He will probably lose his (one) father at the age of 20.

Of course there is no wrong or right age to get a child, but at that age you should know that it will very likely be a problem for the kid at some point.

Same goes for artificial insemination of women who, by nature, shouldn't get pregnant any more

[Kerry]

Only thing that bothers me about this adoption is, that it's a quite selfish act to adopt a child at the age of 62.
I doubt the kid will have as much play time and activities with his father, like kids with a "normal" age father.
He will probably lose his (one) father at the age of 20.

Of course there is no wrong or right age to get a child, but at that age you should know that it will very likely be a problem for the kid at some point.

Same goes for artificial insemination of women who, by nature, shouldn't get pregnant any more

Isn't David, his husband, quite a lot younger though?

[arista]

You need to get yourself a job with the media Arista, what with your insightful inside information-you'd either make a fortune or be sued to high heaven for libel:rolleyes:


You do not know the place I work.
No One Does , here.

[Malza]

Isn't David, his husband, quite a lot younger though?

Yes, he is, but still ;)

[Angus]

You do not know the place I work.
No One Does , here.

Now I'm intrigued:shocked:

[Pyramid*]

Only thing that bothers me about this adoption is, that it's a quite selfish act to adopt a child at the age of 62.
I doubt the kid will have as much play time and activities with his father, like kids with a "normal" age father.
He will probably lose his (one) father at the age of 20.

Of course there is no wrong or right age to get a child, but at that age you should know that it will very likely be a problem for the kid at some point.

Same goes for artificial insemination of women who, by nature, shouldn't get pregnant any more


I really don't see that as being an issue at all. Look at the amount of single mothers - and by that, I mean with absent fathers who have nothing at all to do with the child - or couples who divorce with one of the parents having very little to do with the child thereafter - that happens a lot.

There are also many children who lose a parent - through sickness, accident, job related (ie: armed forces).

[Kerry]

My parents were mid 40's when they had me

Though they were both dead by the time I was ten......

Not age related though.

Lets face it, any parent in their 20's could be hit by a bus. Good luck to them

[Zippy]

Lets face it, any parent in their 20's could be hit by a bus.

merry christmas!

[Pyramid*]

My parents were mid 40's when they had me

Though they were both dead by the time I was ten......

Not age related though.

Lets face it, any parent in their 20's could be hit by a bus. Good luck to them

Sorry to learn that Kerry. :hug:

On a lighter note: I laughed at the way your last line 'read'........ :blush:

[Kerry]

merry christmas!

LOL I'm a realist and it's true. OK being an older parent I have never thought is ideal but sh!t happens

[Kerry]

Sorry to learn that Kerry. :hug:

On a lighter note: I laughed at the way your last line 'read'........ :blush:

Thanks. Long time ago...... (for me anyway at 33 now!)

Anyway LOL, it doesn't read right does it :joker: I'll leave it though :D

[Pyramid*]

Thanks. Long time ago...... (for me anyway at 33 now!)

Anyway LOL, it doesn't read right does it :joker: I'll leave it though :D


It was funny!

But I'm with you, good luck to them. They have a stable and loving partnership, they have now the time on their hands to truly devote to the child (particularly since Elton has 'retired' from the music industry as such), and the child will have the very best of everything. It's not the worst start to life, that's for sure.

[Livia]

Nothing to make Up.


His Money Ensured he would only have a BabyBoy


No Baby Gils can Enter his Zone..

You have no proof or knowledge of that. You've obviously got a bee in your bonnet because he's gay and he's had a kid by a surrogate... so you're making it up as you go along.

Good luck to him.

[Kerry]

LOL Arista what do you think they did? Sieved the girl sperm out? :joker: The boy just swam quicker :D

[Niamh.]

well they seem like a stable couple and have alot to give a baby, so good luck to them

[arista]

LOL Arista what do you think they did? Sieved the girl sperm out? :joker: The boy just swam quicker :D


With big Money
All Baby Girls are avoided.


The Baby Boy is Bought.



Utter Fact.

[Kerry]

With big Money
All Baby Girls are avoided.


The Baby Boy is Bought.



Utter Fact.

I don't think it'd make a difference what gender child they had

Anyway, one to agree to disagree on. One of those that will just go around in circles :)

[arista]

I don't think it'd make a difference what gender child they had

Anyway, one to agree to disagree on. One of those that will just go around in circles :)



Elton would not have a Baby Girl
That is a Fact.


It Stinks.

[Kerry]

Elton would not have a Baby Girl
That is a Fact.


It Stinks.

Have you smelt some fumes tonight?

[arista]

Have you smelt some fumes tonight?

No.

Elton Stinks

[Kerry]

No.

Elton Stinks

OK. You're in an odd mood :D

[icecakes]

I carnt understand people saying good luck to them, why would anyone give a child to a fat old hasbeen pensioner like elton john,he will probably only see it 10 mins a week when he,s having his picture taken with it for the papers,the poor kid will end up a rich orphen
never knowing a mothers love,with more hang ups than a wardrobe.

[Pyramid*]

I carnt understand people saying good luck to them, why would anyone give a child to a fat old hasbeen pensioner like elton john,he will probably only see it 10 mins a week when he,s having his picture taken with it for the papers,the poor kid will end up a rich orphen
never knowing a mothers love,with more hang ups than a wardrobe.



Mother's love!!! Not all Mothers are loving. Tracey Connelly ring any bells with you? Karen Matthews perhaps?

Pfft.

[Kerry]

I carnt understand people saying good luck to them, why would anyone give a child to a fat old hasbeen pensioner like elton john,he will probably only see it 10 mins a week when he,s having his picture taken with it for the papers,the poor kid will end up a rich orphen
never knowing a mothers love,with more hang ups than a wardrobe.

Do you live in the dark ages? I was brought up by my father until the age of 10. I never felt I missed out

Life isn't all about perfection and a mum, dad and 2.4 kids you know?

[Stu]

Why wouldn't he want a baby girl, arista?
Because him and his partner are obviously just rearing him just for the semi incestual threesome down the line like all other gay couples. Oh and it's a status symbol or something. Like cub said. And who would ever doubt cub. He was adopted. He knows what it feels like to have Elton John as your father and all of that, like.

[icecakes]

Do you live in the dark ages? I was brought up by my father until the age of 10. I never felt I missed out

Life isn't all about perfection and a mum, dad and 2.4 kids you know?

yes your real dad,and i bet he wasnt 60 when you were born

[Kerry]

yes your real dad,and i bet he wasnt 60 when you were born

No he was in his 40's. Quite 'past it' in some peoples eyes. Blinkered ones mainly

[icecakes]

Mother's love!!! Not all Mothers are loving. Tracey Connelly ring any bells with you? Karen Matthews perhaps?

Pfft.

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

[Kerry]

Davids pretty young. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Age? Or just the fact they are gay? Does it really matter? The little boys made for life. That aside look at the people around him. Didn't see many kicking up as much fuss as 50 odd year old Madonna adopted thousands

[Kerry]

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

Why? He's ditched his entire career to devote time to the baby

[icecakes]

Why? He's ditched his entire career to devote time to the baby

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

[Kerry]

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

He can write, he can sing. OK he might not be up for the crocodile rock but he's as fit as a fiddle

Flippin' 'eck grandparents don't get written off. Infact they get used to look after the kids and often have them more than the parents! He's not past it. Plus (again) he has David too

[Pyramid*]

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

you were the one banging on about a Mother's love, not 'ordinary couples'. I see you had no answer to my comments about Tracey Connelly, Karen Matthews then? What love did they show their children? Being a child's biological mother does not grant direct pathway to a loving, caring, protective and nuturing environment or upbringing.

As for your comments above: Elton has gone through the surrogacy route: not regular adoption -it's an entirely different process and cannot be compared in the way you are trying to do.

I'm quite sure Elton would be delighted never to need to take care of your dog. I'm sure he'll be far more delighted at taking care of his son.

[cub]

So basically people only breed out of boredom, not because perhaps they actually have the very human desire to have a child of their own that they can love and nurture? At least he can support any child he has without expecting everyone else to.

Um, no. People usually aren't bored creating a family. But he must be.

He's a millionaire, can buy anything he wishes. And now he's found the ability to buy a baby.

He's 63 by the way.

Now I read he's going on a world tour. So commitment is obviously very high on his list - commitment to his career I mean.

"Baby? What baby? Oh that baby ....

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

[Pyramid*]

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

It matters not a jot the reasons why he has retired from his career (and very long and fruitful one I might add). It allows him the time to devote to raising a young child - to devote his time soley to being a father along with a younger partner.

Hardly the crime of the century is it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

He went through surrogacy, he didnt go to a country and pick one out like a puppy.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Pyramid*]

Um, no. People usually aren't bored creating a family. But he must be.

He's a millionaire, can buy anything he wishes. And now he's found the ability to buy a baby.

He's 63 by the way.

Now I read he's going on a world tour. So commitment is obviously very high on his list - commitment to his career I mean.

"Baby? What baby? Oh that baby ....

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

so what if he's going anywhere - on tour / work ... so what?

plenty of 'regular parents' work away, plenty of them - on contracts abroad, on oil rigs, in the forces, on assignments that they cannot take family with them ....so you are saying that any parent who does that is not committed to their children? utter nonsense.

[Stu]

Plus plenty of celebrities bring the tots on the road. And before you get your knickers in a twist about 'nyah that's not suitable!' his tour bus is probably better equipped than most houses. I'm sure the wee lad will be fine.

[icecakes]

you were the one banging on about a Mother's love, not 'ordinary couples'. I see you had no answer to my comments about Tracey Connelly, Karen Matthews then? What love did they show their children? Being a child's biological mother does not grant direct pathway to a loving, caring, protective and nuturing environment or upbringing.

As for your comments above: Elton has gone through the surrogacy route: not regular adoption -it's an entirely different process and cannot be compared in the way you are trying to do.

I'm quite sure Elton would be delighted never to need to take care of your dog. I'm sure he'll be far more delighted at taking care of his son.

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

[Niamh.]

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i bet elton is reading this thread. nosy bastard.

[Kerry]

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

Usually yes. Sometimes they go by independant donors but the usual route is that one parent is the sperm or egg donor (sometimes both and the surrogate is no biological relation to the baby)

[Pyramid*]

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

Tell you what... if you're going to ask me a question, I'm big enough to answer it all by myself. Yes I do think Elton John would be a good father - I have no reason to suspect otherwise.

All you appear to be doing is coming across in your posts as being incredibly bitter at this news. Any particular reason why you should hold such a grudge - against Elton John or anyone of his age, becoming a father - by whatever means.

[icecakes]

Um, no. People usually aren't bored creating a family. But he must be.

He's a millionaire, can buy anything he wishes. And now he's found the ability to buy a baby.

He's 63 by the way.

Now I read he's going on a world tour. So commitment is obviously very high on his list - commitment to his career I mean.

"Baby? What baby? Oh that baby ....

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

good comment cub

[Zippy]

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

Oh don' be so silly. You don' know Elton at all yet here you are making all kinds of utterly ridiculous assumptions about his motives and intentions. And the very idea that he worries about status symbols is just laughable.

[Pyramid*]

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

There's 'talk' that it was David's sperm...... Elton may not necessarily be the biological Daddy.

The only ones who will know for sure, are those who need to know I guess. quite right too.... it's really buggar all to do with anyone (but it's good to guess!) :blush:

[letmein]

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!

[Kerry]

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!

Can see the fish hook around that post

[Pyramid*]

Can see the fish hook around that post

:laugh3:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!

:lovedup:

[icecakes]

Tell you what... if you're going to ask me a question, I'm big enough to answer it all by myself. Yes I do think Elton John would be a good father - I have no reason to suspect otherwise.

All you appear to be doing is coming across in your posts as being incredibly bitter at this news. Any particular reason why you should hold such a grudge - against Elton John or anyone of his age, becoming a father - by whatever means.

because every child should be brought up by someone who can give it a happy and active life not an old granddad,who only wants it for a status symbol

[Kerry]

How many times..... he's not alone. He's not taking this child on alone. My God if any child was going to be taken care of that one is

[Angus]

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight and that Elton will be a terrible father - hypocrisy? Much. Or is it that only YOUR opinion is valid, despite having based it purely on prejudice?:bored:

[Pyramid*]

because every child should be brought up by someone who can give it a happy and active life not an old granddad,who only wants it for a status symbol

you seem to be very selective here - are you forgetting that David, Elton's partner is in his 40's, is very fit and healthy and will also be one of the boy's parents? And who is to say the child will not have a happy life? You are one of the very few on here who have this ridiculous notion.

What about 'everyday non celeb parents' who are not able to give their children an active life (which is a weird thing to say: the child will be active,as all children are!!!) - if you mean someone who can go around kicking a ball with their kid - there are thousands of fathers out there who are overweight, obese, unfit, have health problems that prevent them doing this - and plenty who simply can't be arsed -and quite a number of fathers who work incredibly long hours to provide a roof and all that a child needs, and who simply don't have the time to have regular active play time with their children.

Your reasons are without substance, petty and to be perfectly honest: ludicrious. Firstly, you bleated on about adoption rules, when Elton and David are not adopting, they chose the surrogacy route. You then gave it the, "A child needing a 'mothers love' patter, which is nonsense as some mothers can be inherently evil - now you're banging the 'hes too old a man' drum. Are you homophobic by chance? I ask because all I'm seeing from you is an empty vessel making much noise.

Another little snippets for you in respect of your "the rich can adopt but ordinary couples have to meet strict rules" and your 'child needs a mother's love' nonsense....

But he and Mr Furnish then made a failed attempt to adopt a 14-month-old HIV-positive boy called Lev from an orphanage in Ukraine. They were rejected because of Sir Elton’s age and the fact that the country did not recognise gay partnerships.
That puts paid to your assertion that they got any special treatement. They in fact, didn't.


For, until that point, the orphanage in a bleak industrial town on the Russian border – where he’d been dumped by his alcoholic, HIV-positive mother seven months earlier – was all this little boy had ever known. Great 'mother' this little fella had eh? Alcoholic, HIV positive and dumped her child. So much for that wonderful thing you have in mind that you called, 'A mother's love' then huh!

How many ordinary couples out there would take on a child that was HIV positive. Not many. It's an absolute travesty that this little boy wasn't given the chance to be adopted by Elton & David - all through nothing more than bitter prejudices based on age and sexuality. The only person who has lost out was this little HIV positive boy.

[Angus]

Some of the homophobic and ageist opinions stated on this thread are disgusting and quite frankly I feel sorry for any kids whose parents hold such views which will, no doubt, be passed on to them, thereby perpetuating such nonsensical, prejudiced and malicious attitudes.

[Pyramid*]

Some of homophobic and ageist opinions stated on this thread are disgusting and quite frankly I feel sorry for any kids whose parents hold such views which will, no doubt, be passed on to them, thereby perpetuating such nonsensical, prejudiced and malicious attitudes.

Hard not to disagree. Very blinkered, overly prejudiced comments being thrown around - mind you - who is to say that it's not been done 'for effect'.... you know,adding a little drama and all that!! I'm finding it hard to take some of the comments seriously, so ridiculous they are!

[Pyramid*]

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight ..................?

:laugh2:

A talent wasted on a little forum !!!

[icecakes]

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight and that Elton will be a terrible father - hypocrisy? Much. Or is it that only YOUR opinion is valid, despite having based it purely on prejudice?:bored:

well excuse me for having an opinion,time will tell wont it, you dont know if he will be a good dad,and i dont know if he wont,we will just have to wait and see wont we.in the meantime i have more important things to worry about,

[Stu]

well excuse me for having an opinion,time will tell wont it, you dont know if he will be a good dad,and i dont know if he wont,we will just have to wait and see wont we.in the meantime i have more important things to worry about,
Really? Because you seemed pretty sure until some more intelligent posters with well thought out opinions picked you up on it.

[icecakes]

Hard not to disagree. Very blinkered, overly prejudiced comments being thrown around - mind you - who is to say that it's not been done 'for effect'.... you know,adding a little drama and all that!! I'm finding it hard to take some of the comments seriously, so ridiculous they are!

who died and made you king, is no one allowed an opinion but you, you come out all guns blazing browbeating people down. lighten up man.

[icecakes]

Really? Because you seemed pretty sure until some more intelligent posters with well thought out opinions picked you up on it.

:sleep:

[Kerry]

Icecakes of course you're allowed an opinion but don't blame people jumping on you for being bigotted

[Shaun]

-klaxons go off and confetti falls down, signalling the 1 millionth admittal of defeat with the "It's just my opinion" card-

[cub]

so what if he's going anywhere - on tour / work ... so what?

plenty of 'regular parents' work away, plenty of them - on contracts abroad, on oil rigs, in the forces, on assignments that they cannot take family with them ....so you are saying that any parent who does that is not committed to their children? utter nonsense.


Even when they're 62!

Poppycock!

[arista]

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!


And He will Never have a Baby Girl.

[icecakes]

-klaxons go off and confetti falls down, signalling the 1 millionth admittal of defeat with the "It's just my opinion" card-

ist that what forums are all about people airing their opinions,otherwise,they would be boring.

[Barbie]

I'm not sure if i agree with same sex couples having kids. I understand that they are obviously just as capable as a hetro couple as long as they are stable but a child needs both a male and female role model, there is an element missing, and kids being kids there will be some bullying for it, simply for being different.

[Kerry]

I'm not sure if i agree with same sex couples having kids. I understand that they are obviously just as capable as a hetro couple as long as they are stable but a child needs both a male and female role model, there is an element missing, and kids being kids there will be some bullying for it, simply for being different.

What if a parent dies or leaves then?

[icecakes]

Icecakes of course you're allowed an opinion but don't blame people jumping on you for being bigotted

definition of bigot, a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own, this could apply to a few other people dont you think.

[Kerry]

Actually what if a boy's mother dies and he's brought up by just his father and a brother, uncle or grandfather?

[Kerry]

definition of bigot, a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own, this could apply to a few other people dont you think.

I know what a bigot is or I wouldn't have used the word. You were totally intolerant until a few posts ago

[Barbie]

What if a parent dies or leaves then?

you've answered your own question, its not ideal is it. So is it right to put the child in the situation unnecessarily

[Kerry]

dunno why it'd be accepted if a parent brought up a child with a grandparent but as they are a same sex couple and he's a bit older it isn't

[Kerry]

you've answered your own question, its not ideal is it. So is it right to put the child in the situation unnecessarily

Why is it unnecessersary? Davids in his 40's. Theres absolutely no problem. People drop dead in their 20's. FFS just be happy in life. That kids going to have the world

[Barbie]

Why is it unnecessersary? Davids in his 40's. Theres absolutely no problem. People drop dead in their 20's. FFS just be happy in life. That kids going to have the world

each to their own obviously, im not totally closed off to the idea im just not sure its whats best for a child. Obviously its miles better than neglect and a dysfuctional family but compared to a mum and dad i dont think it is an equivalent option.

[Kerry]

each to their own obviously, im not totally closed off to the idea im just not sure its whats best for a child. Obviously its miles better than neglect and a dysfuctional family but compared to a mum and dad i dont think it is an equivalent option.

Well obviously nature says thats the best way. But times change

[letmein]

He can write, he can sing. OK he might not be up for the crocodile rock but he's as fit as a fiddle

Flippin' 'eck grandparents don't get written off. Infact they get used to look after the kids and often have them more than the parents! He's not past it. Plus (again) he has David too

Uh, no. He's past it.

[Kerry]

Just read they may be planning for another. Davids told Elton he'd like another by 2013 and they shouldn't wait long (according to the papers so take as you will)

[Z]

I think it's irresponsible to become a parent in your 60s to a new born child. I think the life expectancy in the UK is just short of 80 years old; so the underlying worry in all of this is that their child is going to lose him as a parent when they're a teenager in all likelihood - there's no way to predict the future, but being realistic, that is a very real and potential worry. You can throw arguments about single parents, same sex parents and bad parents around but when it comes down to it, the one thing a child needs the most is to be loved - it seems very cruel and irresponsible to me that Elton's taking on the role of a father when it's likely that his child is going to lose him long before most other children of his age will lose their father. This isn't any reflection on David's ability to be a parent, this is purely about how, from a realist point of view, it's irresponsible of Elton John to become a parent in his 60s. Why now? Why couldn't he have done this a few years ago, giving him more time? That question lends credibility to the argument of those saying it's partially about symbolism, not just a desire to have children. I don't really want to read into it too much because all of that aside, I think he'll be a great parent; he'll be able to give his son anything he wants.

arista, your fixation on him having a son and not a daughter seems to suggest some kind of sinister undertone, if you're implying some kind of seedy homosexual, incestuous comment or implying that Elton hates women, then just say it instead of persistently skirting around whatever point you're trying to make and avoiding answering people who are asking you what you mean. So what if he's been trying for a boy? Is it not the norm for expecting parents to have hopes for either a boy or a girl? Not all parents have a preference, but some do, so why is it any different in his case? Some men want sons so they can pass on their hobbies and interests, take them to the football; other men want daughters so they can spoil them rotten and give them away on their wedding day - these are stereotypical examples but I hope I get my point across. Why does it matter? He has his reasons.

[arista]

"Why does it matter"


People Like Elton will Kill off BabyGirls
that is not right.

[M X]

Congrats to Elton and David! :D

[Marc]

I LOL'ed at this thread title.

:laugh2:

[Z]

"Why does it matter"


People Like Elton will Kill off BabyGirls
that is not right.

You're deluded and prejudiced.

[arista]

You're deluded and prejudiced.


Not me.


He should have had a Baby Girl.

[letmein]

arista is nothing more than a troll. Ignore.

[lostalex]

arista is nothing more than a troll. Ignore.

Nice to see censorship is alive and well. Stalin and Mao would be so proud. *rolls eyes*

[InOne]

I really do see this as a trend kind of thing with some celebs. More money than love.

[Angus]

There are plenty of people who have kids for all the wrong reasons:

a) to try and save a faltering relationship
b) to get a leg up the housing list
c) to get extra state benefits and tax breaks
d) to fulfil other people's expectations
e) to accessorise their lifestyle (countless celebs guilty of this; Madonna, Jolie etc)


then don't let's forget the thousands upon thousands of feckless people (married or not) who have kids left, right and centre because they've never heard of contraception, and those kids are left to drag themselves up with all the commensurate problems for society later on.

The real reason people are censuring Elton is because he is old, gay and rich - all lynching crimes apparently:bored:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/27/article-1350891-0CED015D000005DC-165_634x588.jpg

Protective shield: Elton John and his newborn son were deemed too offensive
for young shoppers at a grocery store in Arkansas, U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350891/Picture-Elton-Johns-baby-covered-family-shield-U-S-supermarket-protect-children.html#ixzz1CK7c2kUO


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/27/article-1350891-0CF03D6C000005DC-949_634x826.jpg
Uncovered: Elton John and his husband of five years David Furnish
proudly showed off their baby son
Zachary Jackson Levi Furnish John
who was born via a surrogate mother on Christmas Day


Thats America for you.

[cub]

Elton John = bored millionaire.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is tragic is the vile Celtic strip the baby is in

that is child abuse

[MTVN]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/27/article-1350891-0CED015D000005DC-165_634x588.jpg

Protective shield: Elton John and his newborn son were deemed too offensive
for young shoppers at a grocery store in Arkansas, U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350891/Picture-Elton-Johns-baby-covered-family-shield-U-S-supermarket-protect-children.html#ixzz1CK7c2kUO


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/27/article-1350891-0CF03D6C000005DC-949_634x826.jpg
Uncovered: Elton John and his husband of five years David Furnish
proudly showed off their baby son
Zachary Jackson Levi Furnish John
who was born via a surrogate mother on Christmas Day


Thats America for you.

It's always amusing to read the Daily Mail's highest rated comments under articles like these, shows how bigoted all their readers are

Top rated: "So there's freedom of expression when it comes to gay rights, but hetrosexual concerned parents have none. I see. Bit of an extremist one way street, isn't it"

3rd highest rated: "Those customers have every right to protest that cover. Believe it or not, our freedom of expression in this country extends to freedom of our individual ideas and beliefs, as well, regardless of whether or not they're popular or the "norm" -- just as the gays do. To hell with political correctness!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's always amusing to read the Daily Mail's highest rated comments under articles like these, shows how bigoted all their readers are

Top rated: "So there's freedom of expression when it comes to gay rights, but hetrosexual concerned parents have none. I see. Bit of an extremist one way street, isn't it"

3rd highest rated: "Those customers have every right to protest that cover. Believe it or not, our freedom of expression in this country extends to freedom of our individual ideas and beliefs, as well, regardless of whether or not they're popular or the "norm" -- just as the gays do. To hell with political correctness!"

These are valid views and are popular

dont mistake your views for truths

they are just your views

[MTVN]

These are valid views and are popular

dont mistake your views for truths

they are just your views

Very true and if they want to believe that then go ahead. What annoys me is the way that they fervently deny having anything against gay people but you'll find them repeatedly taking the anti-homosexual point of view; they wouldnt be happy until it was forced back into the closet and eliminated throughout the whole of society.

I wasnt trying to say they were wrong exactly, I was just pointing out what I consider to be the bigoted nature of the majority of their readers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Very true and if they want to believe that then go ahead. What annoys me is the way that they fervently deny having anything against gay people but you'll find them repeatedly taking the anti-homosexual point of view; they wouldnt be happy until it was forced back into the closet and eliminated throughout the whole of society.

I wasnt trying to say they were wrong exactly, I was just pointing out what I consider to be the bigoted nature of the majority of their readers.

Good post

I agree

[Angus]

Very true and if they want to believe that then go ahead. What annoys me is the way that they fervently deny having anything against gay people but you'll find them repeatedly taking the anti-homosexual point of view; they wouldnt be happy until it was forced back into the closet and eliminated throughout the whole of society.

I wasnt trying to say they were wrong exactly, I was just pointing out what I consider to be the bigoted nature of the majority of their readers.

Whereas the readers of the Guardian, Independent, Telegraph,Times etc are of course totally unbiased, completely non PC, and absolutely politically and morally balanced:bored: Yeah, sure they are:pat:

[MTVN]

Whereas the readers of the Guardian, Independent, Telegraph,Times etc are of course totally unbiased, completely non PC, and absolutely politically and morally balanced:bored: Yeah, sure they are:pat:

Well you managed to miss the point :pat: