When, to you (if ever), is violence acceptable?

[Kerry]

Self defence? General anger? Protection of another? Not at all ever? Other?

Discuss

[Beastie]

Self Defence. Yes.
In protection of another person who I care about. Yes.

Just in Anger becaause of my own self pitying angered feelings. No.

[Angus]

Well according to the law you are only able to use "reasonable" violence in self defence or in defence of another person - but the definition of "reasonable" is wide open to interpretation.

Personally, I wouldn't be standing there debating with myself whether I might hurt someone "too much" if that person is attempting to harm me or someone I care about. Instinct would kick in and strangely enough I wouldn't be giving a toss about the attacker at that moment.:rolleyes:

[lostalex]

i guess it depends which country you're in at the time right? Every country has different definitions of what's acceptable and what's illegal.

In Texas you can kill a person for trying to rob your house, in Britain you'd be considered a murder.

I guess i fall somewhere in the middle as a Californian, i definitely think you have a right to protect your property, but not at the expense of someone else's life. I think you should be able to beat the intruder severely.

I think a baseball bat to the knee-caps would be appropriate.

[joeysteele]

I personally do not believe violence in any form solves anything but obviously if someone is being violent to me and I am unable to get away then I have to defend myself,so in the context of self defence or helping someone else who was unable to defend themselves then I would have to act to get free or help free the other person.

Sadly,you have to be careful just how you look at someone lately,people seem to want to pick fights for no reason whatsoever,then you have the added problem that they are likely to stab you with something. Even worse when alcohol is involved.

[30stone]

Self defence? Yes
Protection of another i care of? Yes

When i feel its needed.. Yes lol.

[ILoveTRW]

When you hate your fellow reality TV housemate.
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[Niamh.]

I think self defence or to protect a loved one is acceptable, I mean who wouldn't it's a basic instinct really isn't it? I don't like violence and am not a violent person though.

[lostalex]

I think self defence or to protect a loved one is acceptable, I mean who wouldn't it's a basic instinct really isn't it? I don't like violence and am not a violent person though.

If you are woken up in the middle of the night, to someone intruding into your house, how do you know their intentions?? how do you know if they are just trying to steal an ipod? or to rape your daughter? what drugs is he on? how would you know? and how much time would you take to decide?

[InOne]

I think I'm impulsively violent, but if there is a chance to calm the situation I would.

[Niamh.]

If you are woken up in the middle of the night, to someone intruding into your house, how do you know their intentions?? how do you know if they are just trying to steal an ipod? or to rape your daughter? what drugs is he on? how would you know? and how much time would you take to decide?

well, in short you wouldn't but are you going to take a risk that it may just be a friendly intruder wanting to steal your ipod and then regret that fact that your daughter was raped because you gave the intruder the benefit of the doubt?

How much time would it take me to decide? no idea, I have never been in the situation (thank God) and couldn't even hazard a guess at my reaction times if I were.

[lostalex]

well, in short you wouldn't but are you going to take a risk that it may just be a friendly intruder wanting to steal your ipod and then regret that fact that your daughter was raped because you gave the intruder the benefit of the doubt?


I wouldn't. I'd bash his kneecaps in and wait for the police to figure it out. I'd incapacitate him, make a citizen's arrest, then face whatever justice the courts dole out.

I've seen lots of cases like this in daily mail, where the person protecting their property/family, end up being prosecuted. And the intruder/criminal ends up being made out to be the "victim".

[InOne]

I wouldn't. I'd bash his kneecaps in and wait for the police to figure it out.

LOL it's not like the movies, most people panic under those situations and freeze.

[lostalex]

LOL it's not like the movies, most people panic under those situations and freeze.
well atleast those type of people don't have to worry about being prosecuted by thir own government for protecting their own family.

Seems like the government rewards cowardice these days.

[InOne]

well atleast those type of people don't have to worry about being prosecuted by thir own government for protecting their own family.

Seems like the government rewards cowardice these days.

Well it's different for us as it's illegal for us to even carry a knife yet you have the right to bare arms.

[Lee.]

I don't do violence at all.. Obviously I would protect my loved ones in a situation in which they were going to be harmed, but violence would be a last resort.

There's nothing I hate more than unnecessary violence!

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't. I'd bash his kneecaps in and wait for the police to figure it out. I'd incapacitate him, make a citizen's arrest, then face whatever justice the courts dole out.

I've seen lots of cases like this in daily mail, where the person protecting their property/family, end up being prosecuted. And the intruder/criminal ends up being made out to be the "victim".

well, the way I see it, whether a person has come into your house to steal your Ipod, rape your daughter or murder you makes no difference, the bottom line is they shouldn't be in your home at all and if something happens to them while they're in there then it's there own fault. I believe the law was changed here not so long ago and you are actually allowed to use force to protect yourself, family or property (about time for it too) not that whether it was legal or not would even enter your head I think if it actually happened, I think you would just react really, the whole fight or flight adrenaline would kick in.

[lostalex]

Well it's different for us as it's illegal for us to even carry a knife yet you have the right to bare arms.

weapons don't even matter, the crown would prosecute you for even using the vulcan death grip it seems.

[lostalex]

well, the way I see it, whether a person has come into your house to steal your Ipod, rape your daughter or murder you makes no difference, the bottom line is they shouldn't be in your home at all and if something happens to them while they're in there then it's there own fault. I believe the law was changed here not so long ago and you are actually allowed to use force to protect yourself, family or property (about time for it too) not that whether it was legal or not would even enter your head I think if it actually happened, I think you would just react really, the whole fight or flight adrenaline would kick in.

Your perspective sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Basically what yur saying, is, when it comes to violence...

If you are minding your own business, and someone intrudes, the person being intruded upon should get the benefit of the doubt. Not the intruder.

If someone intrudes, they should expect a violent reaction. That's how i feel.

You cannot intrude on someone else, and expect to be considered a victim.

[Niamh.]

Your perspective sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Basically what yur saying, is, when it comes to violence...

If you are minding your own business, and someone intrudes, the person being intruded upon should get the benefit of the doubt. Not the intruder.

If someone intrudes, they should expect violence. That's how i feel.

You cannot intrude on someone else, and expect to be considered a victim.

absolutely. It's just a shame, like you said that the court systems seem to be so sympathetic to the criminals. He had a bad up bringing, he's a junkie blah blah blah..... If criminals were punished more severely then maybe they'd think twice before breaking into somebodies house

[Lee.]

Even if it came to an intruder, I don't think I would naturally become violent. The only time I though I had an intruder was when I still stayed at my mams and I was home alone. I thought I heard my OH come in and come up the stairs as we were going out.. After about 2 mins I realised he hadn't made an appearance, so I went downstairs to see where he was..As I came downstairs there was the loudest crash from the living room.. My gut reaction was to run. I remember running so fast down the hall that I could hear the wind in my ears, managed to get myself into the toilet and lock the door.. I was whimpering, shaking and couldn't breath.. Then it dawned on me that my hips were too wide to get out the small loo window, which had been my plan! I opened the door without making a sound, got the phone and locked the door again.The pub next door got a mental, whispery message telling people to come quickly.. My OH and his friends appeared seconds later to "save" me. Turns out my intruder was just a mirror falling off the wall :laugh:

So, I don't think violence come naturally to people even in panic and when you think you're in danger.

Again though, it would be a different story if somebody was trying to get to my kids.

[lostalex]

happyland, you don't have a family though, you were alone, so only interested in self-preservation. You might feel differently if you had loved ones vulnerable to such an intrusion.

yur reaction in that scenario sounds perfectly reasonble though.

[Niamh.]

Even if it came to an intruder, I don't think I would naturally become violent. The only time I though I had an intruder was when I still stayed at my mams and I was home alone. I thought I heard my OH come in and come up the stairs as we were going out.. After about 2 mins I realised he hadn't made an appearance, so I went downstairs to see where he was..As I came downstairs there was the loudest crash from the living room.. My gut reaction was to run. I remember running so fast down the hall that I could hear the wind in my ears, managed to get myself into the toilet and lock the door.. I was whimpering, shaking and couldn't breath.. Then it dawned on me that my hips were too wide to get out the small loo window, which had been my plan! I opened the door without making a sound, got the phone and locked the door again.The pub next door got a mental, whispery message telling people to come quickly.. My OH and his friends appeared seconds later to "save" me. Turns out my intruder was just a mirror falling off the wall :laugh:

So, I don't think violence come naturally to people even in panic and when you think you're in danger.

Again though, it would be a different story if somebody was trying to get to my kids.

You're probably right and tbh If it was a man breaking into my home I doubt I'd have much hope of stopping him anyway but If it was a case of protecting your self or your loved ones then you would have to try. I have no doubt if I were home alone and I had the option of just getting out of the house or taking on the intruder, I'd probably just get out and ring the police.

[lostalex]

You're probably right and tbh If it was a man breaking into my home I doubt I'd have much hope of stopping him anyway but If it was a case of protecting your self or your loved ones then you would have to try. I have no doubt if I were home alone and I had the option of just getting out of the house or taking on the intruder, I'd probably just get out and ring the police.

you can't negotiate with a psycho, and IMO anyone willing to break into someone's house has to be a bit psycho.

CAN'T TALK TO A PSYCHO LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING. (+1 for anyone who knows what song that is)

[Lee.]

happyland, you don't have a family though, you were alone, so only interested in self-preservation. You might feel differently if you had loved ones vulnerable to such an intrusion.

yur reaction in that scenario sounds perfectly reasonble though.

I didn't have kids at the time,but I do now,and yeah I do agree if there was somebody in my house, trying to get my kids, I would do anything to keep them safe.

[Niamh.]

you can't negotiate with a psycho, and IMO anyone willing to break into someone's house has to be a bit psycho.

CAN'T TALK TO A PSYCHO LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING. (+1 for anyone who knows what song that is)

Yes, indeed and even if they just want to steal your stuff it's such a violation, the thought of it makes me sick tbh

don't know the song sorry, is it GaGa one by any chance?

[Vicky.]

Self defense and in defense of other people/your home...definitely.

Mind I have a tendancy to get quite violent during heated arguments...usually regret it afterwards but am just too hot headed.

Not excusing it or anything but I think it has something to do with where I grew up...was kinda fight or be fought type thing especially at school. learnt to look after myself from a very young age. And it stuck.

[Shasown]

Its about using reasonable force to deter, bearing in mind in the eyes of the law force should only be used as a last resort.

Your legal aim is to protect your family and property, if there is no direct threat to yourself or others, shout and scream to scare off the intruder. is the correct action as opposed to lying in wait with a knife or other weapon.

If the intruder was intent on raping or assaulting someone in the house, then a warning if practicable followed by physical action, may be deemed to be appropriate, again your actions will be judged as to what a normal person would consider reasonable.

Trigger happy jack

[Vicky.]

I also think the reasonable force thing is a load of bollocks.

Who on earth will think...when being attacked...oh I shouldnt hit them too hard or whatever, incase I hurt them too much :rolleyes:

[lostalex]

And the idea that shouting and screaming will even create a response is ridiculous. Most people now if they do hear someone shouting and screaming, will just close the window and turn the TV volume up.

[Shasown]

I also think the reasonable force thing is a load of bollocks.

Who on earth will think...when being attacked...oh I shouldnt hit them too hard or whatever, incase I hurt them too much :rolleyes:

Bit different if you are being attacked, you use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack, if that means hitting them over the head with something heavy, then hit them.

It steps over the line past self defence if, when the assailant is lying on the floor you then lay in and kick seven bells out of him.

[lostalex]

Bit different if you are being attacked, you use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack, if that means hitting them over the head with something heavy, then hit them.

It steps over the line past self defence if, when the assailant is lying on the floor you then lay in and kick seven bells out of him.

because of course, it's so easy for the average person to know whensomeone is incapacitated right?

the idea that you are making excuses for someone who is in YOUR home, someone who has NO BUSINESS in anyone's home, let alone yours, prolly the only place they have a business being in, is in jail, which is exactly where you are sending them, and you still have the nerve to defend this scum.


seriously?

REALLY? SRSLY, like, REALLY?

i think yur just being contrarian and argumentative for the sake of it. i can't believe you would actually think that.

[Vicky.]

Bit different if you are being attacked, you use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack, if that means hitting them over the head with something heavy, then hit them.

It steps over the line past self defence if, when the assailant is lying on the floor you then lay in and kick seven bells out of him.

Except it doesnt quite work out like that unfortunately.

I was in a club a few years ago, and when I left some random bitch jumped me, so I naturally reacted...nothing was broken or anything, and tbh it only took a few punches to floor her. And then I was the one who got arrested because she was bleeding more :laugh:

Load of ****e, and one of the many reasons I hate the police :bored:

[lostalex]

Except it doesnt quite work out like that unfortunately.

I was in a club a few years ago, and when I left some random bitch jumped me, so I naturally reacted...nothing was broken or anything, and tbh it only took a few punches to floor her. And then I was the one who got arrested because she was bleeding more :laugh:

Load of ****e, and one of the many reasons I hate the police :bored:

eggggsactly. Because in dysfunctional BROKEN BRITAIN, anyone stronger = guilty.

Doesn't matter who is right or wrong, in BROKEN BRITAIN, it's always the weak is innocent, the STRONG is guilty.

It's *******ed up.

Darwin is rolling in his grave.

[Lee.]

I used to be part of a crowd who's answer to everything was violence.. All the blokes were little rich boys whose mammys used to keep them dressed in designer gear,but ultimately,they were no more than football hooligans. If their team lost at football,they'd fight,if their team won, they'd fight.If anybody looked at them the wrong way, they'd fight. I remember an old bloke felt my arse once in a pub and the lot of them (would never fight alone) took him outside and beat him until he was unconscious! When I saw what they'd done I went to phone for an ambulance, and got told that if I didn't get back in the pub and shut my face, I'd get the same.. that's the only time I've ever hit someobody.

So the "protecting your own" thing aside, I just have a hatred for violence, and to answer the OP, I really don't think it is ever acceptable.

[Vicky.]

I used to be part of a crowd who's answer to everything was violence.. All the blokes were little rich boys whose mammys used to keep them dressed in designer gear,but ultimately,they were no more than football hooligans. If their team lost at football,they'd fight,if their team won, they'd fight.If anybody looked at them the wrong way, they'd fight. I remember an old bloke felt my arse once in a pub and the lot of them (would never fight alone) took him outside and beat him until he was unconscious! When I saw what they'd done I went to phone for an ambulance, and got told that if I didn't get back in the pub and shut my face, I'd get the same.. that's the only time I've ever hit someobody.

So the "protecting your own" thing aside, I just have a hatred for violence, and to answer the OP, I really don't think it is ever acceptable.

Eugh dont even get me started on those daft wankers.

I have such hatred for people like that...seriously. They need to grow the **** up.

Theres a group of football hooligans round newcastle called the gremlins...and whenever newcastle is playing, you can gurantee trouble everywhere, wether they win or lose. Once newcastle lost and they went round smashing all the bars up(probably happened more, but only the once that I actually know of). Seriously...wtf is the point :rolleyes:

[Shasown]

Except it doesnt quite work out like that unfortunately.

I was in a club a few years ago, and when I left some random bitch jumped me, so I naturally reacted...nothing was broken or anything, and tbh it only took a few punches to floor her. And then I was the one who got arrested because she was bleeding more :laugh:

Load of ****e, and one of the many reasons I hate the police :bored:

Of course it doesnt work like that, but thats the way its supposed to happen, thing is the plod will have decided who to do by the way you and the other girl put yourselves over when being interviewed. At the time I bet she was shaken and you were calm and rational.

Top tip always emphasise how scared you were and reacted out of fear etc. It may not get you off all the time but its the best defence.

[Shasown]

eggggsactly. Because in dysfunctional BROKEN BRITAIN, anyone stronger = guilty.

Doesn't matter who is right or wrong, in BROKEN BRITAIN, it's always the weak is innocent, the STRONG is guilty.

It's *******ed up.

Darwin is rolling in his grave.

People in glass houses honey.

[Vicky.]

Of course it doesnt work like that, but thats the way its supposed to happen, thing is the plod will have decided who to do by the way you and the other girl put yourselves over when being interviewed. At the time I bet she was shaken and you were calm and rational.

Top tip always emphasise how scared you were and reacted out of fear etc. It may not get you off all the time but its the best defence.

Yeah thats about it actually. I seem to remember laughing about it too D:

I dont exactly think straight in situations like that, especially when drinking. Should have known to put on the 'poor me' act :laugh2:

[lostalex]

i think i can solve this problem...
Violence is Okay when yur the good guy protecting GOOD, like a superhero.

and it's Bad when yur the bad guy, only acting in a selfish way.

If yur violence only benefits yourself, then it's wrong.

If yur violence benefits the innocent, then it's good.

[Shasown]

i think i can solve this problem...
Violence is Okay when yur the good guy protecting GOOD, like a superhero.

and it's Bad when yur the bad guy, only acting in a selfish way.

If yur violence only benefits yourself, then it's wrong.

If your violence benefits the innocent, then it's good.

In a civilised society all violence is wrong.

[Captain.Remy]

I used to have anger issues, as a child and teenager I brought hell to everyone who didn't agree with me...and I was pretty good at it. I got banned of 3 pubs, I almost got arrested countless times, the police went after me but I managed to never getting arrested.

Then I came to the conclusion that my behaviour is hurting the people I love the most, it ****ed my relationship up with my ex-girlfriend and I realized I couldn't live my life like this anymore. So basically, I went to Anger Management.

The question "When, to you, is violence acceptable?" is a simple question they ask you at the end of the programme. Simple yet complicated to answer.
I came to the conclusion that violence will ever be acceptable if anyone is trying to prevent me from being free. I think freedom is possibly one of the most important thing we should take care about.

That being said, I ain't no Mother Theresa either, I still can scare the **** out of people but I'm not fighting anymore, I don't need violence anymore. However, some loud mouthed bitches would better watch their back. :hugesmile:

[lostalex]

In a civilised society all violence is wrong.

name a civilized society? it doesn't exist. we're talking about reality, not science fiction.

[Lee.]

In a civilised society all violence is wrong.

Yeah,I agree

[lostalex]

Anyone with this utopian idea of "violence is never acceptable" i wonder what you'd do if someone treatened yur own mother's life. Would you kill a guilty man to save an innocent man?

If you wouldn't, you are a guilty man. IMO.

[Lee.]

Anyone with this utopian idea of "violence is never acceptable" i wonder what you'd do if someone treatened yur own mother's life. Would you kill a guilty man to save an innocent man?

If you wouldn't, you are a guilty man. IMO.

I'm sure that however we were to react to a situation like that (and lets face it, we'd all react differently) is something called instinct. I mean, nobody is going to willingly sit back and watch their own mother be killed without trying to stop it.. But not everybody would react with violence and nobody really know what their reaction wo9uld be until actually in a situation like that.

I have already said that unnecessary violence is very different to whatever it is that kicks in when you need to protect.

But in general, (when not faced with the threat of murder or whatever) I think violence is usually uncalled for.

[Shasown]

Anyone with this utopian idea of "violence is never acceptable" i wonder what you'd do if someone treatened yur own mother's life. Would you kill a guilty man to save an innocent man?

If you wouldn't, you are a guilty man. IMO.

I would laugh at a man threatening my mothers life, she died when I was 18.

Simple hypothetical comments like that mean nothing.

It is easy to say you would take someones life but take it from me in reality its not so simple.

[Niamh.]

I would laugh at a man threatening my mothers life, she died when I was 18.

Simple hypothetical comments like that mean nothing.

It is easy to say you would take someones life but take it from me in reality its not so simple.

I think it would be simple if you were in a situation where you needed to protect yourself or a loved one, as in you have a gun in your hand and someone was about to slit your childs throat, i doubt any of us would hesitate to pull the trigger but the likely hood of ever find yourself in such a situation is pretty slim.

[lostalex]

I would laugh at a man threatening my mothers life, she died when I was 18.

Simple hypothetical comments like that mean nothing.

It is easy to say you would take someones life but take it from me in reality its not so simple.


well my mother is also dead, like happy, but if you wanna test my theory, try attacking my brother. I can promise you, this is not a hypothetical situation. I'd be more than happy to show you how serious i am. It's EXACTLY that simple to me :)

I would *******ing kill you. I really would. and there's not a single cell in my body that would regret it.

[Lee.]

well my mother is also dead, like happy, but if you wanna test my theory, try attacking my brother. I can promise you, this is not a hypothetical situation. I'
d be more than happy to show you how serious i am. It's EXACTLY that simple to me :)

I would *******ing kill you. I really would. and there's not a single cell in my body that would regret it.

?

[Shasown]

well my mother is also dead, like happy, but if you wanna test my theory, try attacking my brother. I can promise you, this is not a hypothetical situation. I'
d be more than happy to show you how serious i am. It's EXACTLY that simple to me :)

I would *******ing kill you. I really would.

It is a hypothetical situation, oh brilliant one. Why would I want to attack your brother?

[Vicky.]

It is a hypothetical situation, oh brilliant one. Why would I want to attack your brother?

he knocked over your pint in the pub 2 years ago and you only just recognised him :)

[lostalex]

It is a hypothetical situation, oh brilliant one. Why would I want to attack your brother?

maybe yu arn't paying attention. The entire premise of this thread is hypothetical.

[Shasown]

he knocked over your pint in the pub 2 years ago and you only just recognised him :)

Nah he bought me a fresh pint straight away after a little chat. ;)

maybe yu arn't paying attention. The entire premise of this thread is hypothetical.

I think you are getting confused, you said in your previous post it wasnt a hypothetical situation.

Do make up your mind.

In the meantime take two of these and go lie down in a darkened room for a few days.

[lostalex]

Do make up your mind.

In the meantime take two of these and go lie down in a darkened room for a few days.


umm, what? when did i ever say this isn't a hypothetical situations??? It obviously is, obviously none of us have never been in a situation where we truly had to be violent. now yur just lying.

Why are you lying?

I hate liars.

[Lee.]

Geez!

This thread could go on for ever with hypothetical situations and they'll eventually get silly.

I think the general gist of the thread is "do you think violenc is acceptable?" My answer is no and nobody has a right to question or argue with that. IMO violence only makes things worse. :nono:

[Shasown]

umm, what? when did i ever say this isn't a hypothetical situations??? It obviously is, obviously none of us have never been in a situation where we truly had to be violent. now yur just lying.

Why are you lying?

I hate liars.

I hate liver but whats that got to do with the price of beans?

Short term meomory loss? Or have you been drinking, smoking some loco weed or something? Try this:

well my mother is also dead, like happy, but if you wanna test my theory, try attacking my brother. I can promise you, this is not a hypothetical situation. I'd be more than happy to show you how serious i am. It's EXACTLY that simple to me :)

I would *******ing kill you. I really would. and there's not a single cell in my body that would regret it.

[lostalex]

Geez!

This thread could go on for ever with hypothetical situations and they'll eventually get silly.

I think the general gist of the thread is "do you think violenc is acceptable?" My answer is no and nobody has a right to question or argue with that. IMO violence only makes things worse. :nono:

if violence was never acceptable, you'd be speaking either german or russian right now, you do realize that right?

And i have every right to argue with that, i pay 50 bucks a month for broadband, so i have every right to disagree and argue with anyone i like to online. lol

[lostalex]

I hate liver but whats that got to do with the price of beans?

Short term meomory loss? Or have you been drinking, smoking some loco weed or something? Try this:


don't be jealous. it's not my fault you pay more for beans, why are you taking it out on me??

[Shasown]

if violence was never acceptable, you'd be speaking either german or russian right now, you do realize that right?

Extend the context if violence was never acceptable leaders of countries wouldnt invade other countries or extend their own countries' borders.

And i have every right to argue with that, i pay 50 bucks a month for broadband, so i have every right to disagree and argue with anyone i like to online. lol

Bet you dont I bet its your parents who pay for it. Havent you got school later?

[Lee.]

if violence was never acceptable, you'd be speaking either german or russian right now, you do realize that right?

And i have every right to argue with that, i pay 50 bucks a month for broadband, so i have every right to disagree and argue with anyone i like to online. lol

I do speak German.. and Russian

[Shasown]

don't be jealous. it's not my fault you pay more for beans, why are you taking it out on me??

Ah so now you just ignore saying one thing, then a couple of posts later say the opposite and when its pointed out to you, you accuse the person of lying.

How brash, How arrogant, how Very American! Now sod off to bed my colonial cousin.

[Vicky.]

Can we get this back on topic please :laugh:

[lostalex]

Extend the context if violence was never acceptable leaders of countries wouldnt invade other countries or extend their own countries' borders.


Oh right, i forgot, cause when people say they'll do something, they always live by it right.

Just like when Churchill signed a pact with Hitler saying HItler could keep moving east, and britain wouldn't react, aslong s HItler never moved west.

Funny how britatin did absolutely nothing while hitler was moving east taking over austria, hungary, poland... wasn't until Hitler started moving west and took france, that all of a sudden britain cared...

Funny how when someone INTRUDES your own territory, all of a sudden you get very defensive, right??? Funny how people get very reactionary when their own territory is threatened.

[Shasown]

Oh right, i forgot, cause when people say they'll do something, they always live by it right.

Just like when Churchill signed a pact with Hitler saying HItler could keep moving east, and britain wouldn't react, aslong s HItler never moved west.

Funny how britatin did absolutely nothing while hitler was taking over austria, hungary, polnd... wasn't until Hitler started moving east and took france, that all of a sudden britain cared...

Funny how when someone INTRUDES, all of a sudden you get very defensive, right???

Oh perrrrlease get your facts right.

[lostalex]

Oh perrrrlease get your facts right.

shut up i corrected it.

[Tom4784]

I'd say violence is only acceptable in self defense or the defense of others. As for the thief/burglar/mugger scenairio, Your life is more important then any material possesions. Let them take what they want, most expensive items should be insured or under warranty anyway. You never know what they might be carrying these days.

[Shasown]

shut up i corrected it.

Ok let me correct you with a few facts.

Britain and most of the British Empire declared war on Germany on 1 September 1939, when the Germans invaded Poland.

Churchill didnt become Prime Minister until May 1940.

Seriously Alex, history according to Hollywood never happened. DYLAC

And as I said if violence was unacceptable then Hitler wouldnt have invaded anywhere would he?

[lostalex]

I'd say violence is only acceptable in self defense or the defense of others. As for the thief/burglar/mugger scenairio, Your life is more important then any material possesions. Let them take what they want, most expensive items should be insured or under warranty anyway. You never know what they might be carrying these days.


i'm sorry, maybe i'm confused. How do you know if someone is intruding your house for yur material posessions or to kill you?

Do they announce themselves, and once they do announce themselves, that then gives them the right to continue robbing you???

[lostalex]

Ok let me correct you with a few facts.

Britain and most of the British Empire declared war on Germany on 1 September 1939, when the Germans invaded Poland.

Churchill didnt become Prime Minister until May 1940.

Seriously Alex, history according to Hollywood never happened.

And as I said if violence was unacceptable then Hitler wouldnt have invaded anywhere would he?


coming from a country that has a hereditary monarchy, i don't think it's Me that needs to worry about selective memory.

Give me a ring when yu get rid of your national church, hereditary head of state, and completely undemocratic upper house of lords.

Don't act like yur history is anything but a fiction plzzz. Is there any official historical document older than 50 years that was written by anyone democratically elected in England? NOPE.

so if you wanna talk about selective history...

[Lee.]

I'd say violence is only acceptable in self defense or the defense of others. As for the thief/burglar/mugger scenairio, Your life is more important then any material possesions. Let them take what they want, most expensive items should be insured or under warranty anyway. You never know what they might be carrying these days.

Yeah, I agree with that. I'm all for locking my loved ones and myself in somewhere and letting them take whatever the feck they want. People trying to play hero just annoy me.

[Lee.]

i'm sorry, maybe i'm confused. How do you know if someone is intruding your house for yur material posessions or to kill you?Do they announce themselves, and once they do announce themselves, that then gives them the right to continue robbing you???

The former would be carrying a bag with "SWAG" written on it

[Shasown]

coming from a country that has a hereditary monarchy, i don't think it's Me that needs to worry about selective memory.

Give me a ring when yu get rid of your national church, hereditary head of state, and completely undemocratic upper house of lords.

Don't act like yur history is anything but a fiction plzzz. Is there any official historical document older than 50 years that was written by anyone democratically elected in England? NOPE.

so if you wanna talk about selective history...



What has your irrational hatred of the British Establishment got to do with your inaccurate posts?

Stop trying to body swerve the fact you dont have a fecking clue what you post about.

[lostalex]

What has your irrational hatred of the British Establishment got to do with your inaccurate posts?

Stop trying to body swerve the fact you dont have a fecking clue what you post about.

Nothing inaccurate about my posts.

I only speak the truth.

(and if i had a hatred of the british establishment, i doubt i'd choose such an irrelevant site as a big brother website to protest against it) I know this website is totally irrelevant, and i'm talking to big brother fans, if i was really serious about being "anti-british" don't you think i choose a better forum than a big brother forum??? lol

[Shasown]

Nothing inaccurate about my posts.

I only speak the truth.

lol

ROFLMFHAO

You posted that with a straight face?

[Tom4784]

coming from a country that has a hereditary monarchy, i don't think it's Me that needs to worry about selective memory.

Give me a ring when yu get rid of your national church, hereditary head of state, and completely undemocratic upper house of lords.

Don't act like yur history is anything but a fiction plzzz. Is there any official historical document older than 50 years that was written by anyone democratically elected in England? NOPE.

so if you wanna talk about selective history...

You don't know anything about the UK if you think the Royal Family or the Church has any sort of real power over how the country is run these days. l suggest you stop watching The Tudors for any insight into our modern day politics systems :laugh: The house of Commons are the ones that proposes most actions, Also the House of Lords is hardly hereditory based any more, only 91 out of 700 and odd are there because of their heredity.

The rest of your post is rather silly, we've had elections for more then 50 years so that point is rather....pointless.

i'm sorry, maybe i'm confused. How do you know if someone is intruding your house for yur material posessions or to kill you?

Do they announce themselves, and once they do announce themselves, that then gives them the right to continue robbing you???

That, I thought, would be obvious. If a burglar is going to rob you in the night then they're gonna play it safe, they won't go anywhere near any bedrooms for fear of waking someone up, the only time you hear about violent burglars is when they're confronted. A murderer on the other hand would obviously be less concerned so you'd hear them upstairs (given that this scenairio is based around being aware of an intruder in you house I'm guessing the same would apply to a murderer). I'd act cautiously but I'd act if someone was approaching the bedrooms but if they stuck to the downstairs, let them carry on. You can get possessions back on insurance. Better that then die on the edge of a knife over an iPod.

[King Gizzard]

If a bastard is in my house and I catch him, I am going to twat him over the head with a hardback book

[lostalex]

ROFLMFHAO

You posted that with a straight face?

yup. i know you british think you can smirk off everything, but it's really not cute anymore.

[lostalex]

You don't know anything about the UK if you think the Royal Family or the Church has any sort of real power over how the country is run these days.


ummm, then if they have no power, why are you still paying taxes to them? just for fun? lol

[Tom4784]

ummm, then if they have no power, why are you still paying taxes to them? just for fun? lol

Because they are traditional institutions, nothing more. Neither of them can really change how the country is run.

[Shasown]

yup. i know you british think you can smirk off everything, but it's really not cute anymore.

I know, your lack of knowledge isnt cute anymore, I am just glad you can see it. I am starting to feel embarrassed for you actually.

[MTVN]

I know, your lack of knowledge isnt cute anymore, I am just glad you can see it. I am starting to feel embarrassed for you actually.

I started to feel the same when he said that the USA were the most powerful country in the history of the world

[Niall]

I would only use violence if someone attacked me first. Self defence basically. :)

[lostalex]

I know, your lack of knowledge isnt cute anymore, I am just glad you can see it. I am starting to feel embarrassed for you actually.


my lack of knowledge about what? os far it seems i know more about yur political system than most of yur actual citizens.

Still waiting for a good excuse for why every british citizen, including athiests, muslims, hindu's etc, are paying taxes to support yur national CHRISTIAN church. If i was muslim, hindu or athiest,i'd be pretty upset about that.

But i guess because it's "tradition", that makes it okay...?

Thank gawd for separation of church and state in the USA.

[Shasown]

my lack of knowledge about what? os far it seems i know more about yur political system than most of yur actual citizens.

Still waiting for a good excuse for why every british citizen, including athiests, muslims, hindu's etc, are paying taxes to support yur national CHRISTIAN church. If i was muslim, hindu or athiest,i'd be pretty upset about that.

But i guess because it's "tradition", that makes it okay...?

Thank gawd for separation of church and state in the USA.

Your lack of knowledge about pretty much everything.

Take for example your comment about tax supporting the Church of England


Income for the Church of England:

Around three-quarters (£750 million) comes from worshippers in the parishes. Over the past five years, parishes have increased their giving by around £100 million to meet increased ministry and pension costs.

Across the Church, regular, tax-efficient giving rose by nearly 50% in the five years between 1999 and 2004.

Today:

•over £200 million is given tax-efficiently each year through Gift Aid and a further £60 million is recovered from the Inland Revenue in tax;
•£200 million is given in cash and donations by congregations and visitors;
•£250 million is raised through legacies, special events, the letting of church halls, bookstalls, fundraising and parish magazines etc.
Around 15 per cent (over £160 million) comes from the Church Commissioners who manage assets of £4.4 billion (at the end of 2008) on behalf of the Church:

In addition, income for the Church of England is generated from:

•£50 million through income on reserve funds in parishes;
•£50 million through income on reserves in dioceses and cathedrals;
•£30 million from fees paid for weddings, funerals and chaplaincies.

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/info/funding/


So what proportion of that comes from everyone who pays taxes?

[lostalex]

Your lack of knowledge about pretty much everything.

Take for example your comment about tax supporting the Church of England


Income for the Church of England:

Around three-quarters (£750 million) comes from worshippers in the parishes. Over the past five years, parishes have increased their giving by around £100 million to meet increased ministry and pension costs.

Across the Church, regular, tax-efficient giving rose by nearly 50% in the five years between 1999 and 2004.

Today:

•over £200 million is given tax-efficiently each year through Gift Aid and a further £60 million is recovered from the Inland Revenue in tax;
•£200 million is given in cash and donations by congregations and visitors;
•£250 million is raised through legacies, special events, the letting of church halls, bookstalls, fundraising and parish magazines etc.
Around 15 per cent (over £160 million) comes from the Church Commissioners who manage assets of £4.4 billion (at the end of 2008) on behalf of the Church:

In addition, income for the Church of England is generated from:

•£50 million through income on reserve funds in parishes;
•£50 million through income on reserves in dioceses and cathedrals;
•£30 million from fees paid for weddings, funerals and chaplaincies.

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/info/funding/


So what proportion of that comes from everyone who pays taxes?

does the church of englnd pay property taxes on it's land the same as all other religious buildings???

no they don't, therefore they are subsidized by the STATE (aka, the british TAX payer)

why are muslim, and hindus paying property taxes on their places of worship, but state churches don't?

[Shasown]

does the church of englnd pay property taxes on it's land the same as all other religious buildings???

no they don't, therefore they are subsidized by the STATE (aka, the british TAX payer)

why are muslim, and hindus paying property taxes on their places of worship, but state churches don't?

Oh and what property taxes do muslims hindus etc pay?

Would you like some fries with that order of foot in mouth?

[lostalex]

Oh and what property taxes do muslims hindus etc pay?

Would you like some fries with that order of foot in mouth?


whatever. the fact that i got this far without you realizing i was making it up as i was going along says more about you, then about me.

lol :devil:

Keep on defending yur National Church dude. it's funny.

['Conor]

well if he pointed a gun at my friend or relative, id defo inflict violence on him?

[MojoNixon]

From Police Squad (Lesile Nielsen TV series) : "Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet, I'm gonna break your face!"

[Shasown]

well if he pointed a gun at my friend or relative, id defo inflict violence on him?

Guns are funny old things, if it is pointed at someone its best not to interfere with the person holding it. Unless of course you can be certain it isnt ready to fire. Or it isnt pointed at anyone.

[Shasown]

whatever. the fact that i got this far without you realizing i was making it up as i was going along says more about you, then about me.

lol :devil:

Keep on defending yur National Church dude. it's funny.

Yes it says I know what I am talking about and you know next to jack.

Oh and I am not defending anything just showing you the error of your beliefs and correcting your ignorance.

[MojoNixon]

well if he pointed a gun at my friend or relative, id defo inflict violence on him?

Sam Peckinpah : "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't."

['Conor]

Guns are funny old things, if it is pointed at someone its best not to interfere with the person holding it. Unless of course you can be certain it isnt ready to fire. Or it isnt pointed at anyone.

Good point :) never thought about that actually

[arista]

I think I'm impulsively violent, but if there is a chance to calm the situation I would.


You Need a Female Doctor
To Sort You Out.

[Shasown]

You Need a Female Doctor
To Sort You Out.

Surely a nurse could give him a hand in an emergency?

[InOne]

D:

['Conor]

:joker:

[Kerry]

Speaking as someone who was domestically abused for years I don't condone it. I never retaliated. Never could. Even having being hopitalised. I never felt the urge to fight him, just protect myself until it was over

I've been in two fights as a kid. Kid stuff. If you could call one a fight. I just kicked her up the arse...

As for defending my family I'd kill for them if I needed to. Self defence is self explanitory. You do fight for your life

Fighting for fights sake, like football violence for example - no. Walk away