Patriotism

[Princess]

Taken from the 'What do you love about Britain' thread. Are people meant to love their country no matter what? And why is that? And why is it so frowned on not to be patriotic?

[Niamh.]

I would say I'm very patriotic, like in the way you can bitch about your brother but if someone else does you get defensive, same applies for Ireland:joker: But you don't have to be anyway Laura, If you're not you're not!

[Kerry]

I am, very much so. That said, I can't abide people slating other countries for the sake of it

[Stu]

Couldn't be buggered. We are a nation of mostly **** ups. With a long history of ****ing up. I like our writers, our guiness and our way with words and outgoing nature but that's about it. I don't feel any burning obligation to care past that. Most of the culture I devour and like is not Irish culture.

Patriotism is the belief that the country where you happened to be born is the best country in the world. I have no desire to stay in Ireland and if most 'patriotic' people won the lottery they would flee too.

[Princess]

People are so defensive though. I get completely slated for not liking Ireland. And I don't see why people hate it?

[MTVN]

Not really, I dont think Britain is particularly better than a whole load of other countries out there, and it was only by chance that I was born here so in that respect I dont see why I would celebrate my nationality

[Kerry]

Had I the money I'd not leave England. Yes, I'd have retreats but I'd not leave on a permanent basis and yes I've mulled it over before. A year or two ago I was actually given the chance of a home/job/set up in Canada with my family but we turned it down.

[flemin]

I'm not particularly patriotic but I am thankful to live here. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else put it that way.

[letmein]

There's a fine line between being patriotic, and a flat out Nationalist. People don't want bad things to happen to their countries, and will defend it, but people shouldn't just put their heads in the sand and pretend that everything they do is just wonderful. Everywhere has problems, and unless you admit to them, they'll never be solved. That's what's so dangerous about Nationalism.

[Mystic Mock]

Taken from the 'What do you love about Britain' thread. Are people meant to love their country no matter what? And why is that? And why is it so frowned on not to be patriotic?

i believe you should be patriotic to your country as your born there and its pride to be from that country.

and the only reason its frowned upon to be patriotic is because the labour party wanted to make the right wing people look racist.

[Princess]

i believe you should be patriotic to your country as your born there and its pride to be from that country.

and the only reason its frowned upon to be patriotic is because the labour party wanted to make the right wing people look racist.

Yeah but why does being born there mean you have to like it? There is plenty of other countries out there to like instead. *and has no idea whether that Labour party thing is about the UK or Ireland*

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah but why does being born there mean you have to like it? There is plenty of other countries out there to like instead. *and has no idea whether that Labour party thing is about the UK or Ireland*

i was just joking about the labour part,and everybody has there opinion but i like alot of stuff in england but hate others so thats why i lean more to the patriotic side,and i love alot of countries like america,i just wouldnt want to live there incase a gang member randomly shot me on the streets.

[Princess]

See I like wayyyy more things about England than I do about Ireland. So it makes perfect sense for me not to be that patriotic.

[Mystic Mock]

See I like wayyyy more things about England than I do about Ireland. So it makes perfect sense for me not to be that patriotic.

fair enough ive never been to ireland so i cant comment.:)

[InOne]

I am sort of Patriotic, but my Grandparents were Irish so had some of that in me too. I love traditional Irish culture.

But to me being pariotic is keeping the pub culture alive, appreciating and visiting what's on your own soil. (Stone Henge, Hadrians Wall) Stuff like that. Plus exploring what takes your fancy. It seems to some people going down the local to watch England or flying some flags outside your house makes you Patriotic :S. I like History and all that so love to learn about English and British History.
I've been quite a few places but at the moment prefer England the most, maybe it's cos I grew up there or maybe it's cos I actually like it haha Still want to travel all over though.

[Patrick]

Nah I don't really give a sh*t tbh, but obviously you'll defend your country and your country is 'the best' and that'll always be the way but I'm fine with saying when another country is actually better at doing something than us.

[Lee.]

I love my country and although I complain about the weather and say I'm going to emigrate, I know I couldn't live anywhere else permanently.

So yeah, I feel very patriotic towards Scotland and am proud of being Scottish..

I also have Irish ancestors both maternally and paternally, so although I haven't yet visited, I do feel drawn to it and will trace my family properly one day and visit their home :)

[BB_Eye]

British 'culture' is an oxymoron.

[Ramsay]

i really couldnt give a shyte

[Callum]

No I really dislike Wales and can't wait to move to another country. That's not to say it's a terrible country because it's not but I couldn't live my whole life here. The scenery here is good, there are lots of nice places to visit but it's not for me.

[Jords]

Nat really, I like living in England but I dont parade around going on about it. :laugh:

[arista]

There's a fine line between being patriotic, and a flat out Nationalist. People don't want bad things to happen to their countries, and will defend it, but people shouldn't just put their heads in the sand and pretend that everything they do is just wonderful. Everywhere has problems, and unless you admit to them, they'll never be solved. That's what's so dangerous about Nationalism.


Sure on a BNP Forum.

But on Here
its not such a big problem.

[arista]

I love my country and although I complain about the weather and say I'm going to emigrate, I know I couldn't live anywhere else permanently.

So yeah, I feel very patriotic towards Scotland and am proud of being Scottish..

I also have Irish ancestors both maternally and paternally, so although I haven't yet visited, I do feel drawn to it and will trace my family properly one day and visit their home :)


I would like to see
The Republic of Scotland.


It would be great on Trading Deals

['Conor]

I am very patriotic

[arista]

I am very patriotic


Nothing Wrong with that


Keep it Spunky

['Conor]

Nothing Wrong with that


Keep it Spunky

like i am patriotic and wil always live here and love it, but i dont go around saying irelands the best irelands the best! im not like that.. :joker:

[lostalex]

You should only be patriotic if you live in a great country. Obviously as an American I am very patriotic.

But if i lived in like Cuba, or North Korea, or Canada, i wouldn't be patriotic.


http://inpursuitofamerica.com/images/patriotic-poster_y13q.jpg

[Vicky.]

Not patriotic at all. Couldnt really care less if people slag off england, which is good I guess, because it happens so regularly :p

[lostalex]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/03/cutecap.jpg

[Lee.]

You should only be patriotic if you live in a great country. Obviously as an American I am very patriotic.

But if i lived in like Cuba, or North Korea, or Canada, i wouldn't be patriotic.


http://inpursuitofamerica.com/images/patriotic-poster_y13q.jpg

Oh welcome back :)

[Stu]

What's wrong with Canada?

[lostalex]

Oh welcome back :)


thanks!! enjoy it while it lasts lol.

i'm a naughty boy :(

[Lee.]

thanks!! enjoy it while it lasts lol.

i'm a naughty boy :(
Hmm.. You are what I would call a wind-up merchant! :D

[Scarlett.]

British 'culture' is an oxymoron.

A 'culture' isn't just a posh word for a place that has statues and trees and toffs sat around drinking coffee, a culture could also be used to describe a rundown council estate, as there, they have their own way of doing things ect.

So, no, it isn't an oxymoron.

Plus not all of England behaves as the Daily Mail would have you believe, "Broken Britian" is a myth, there has always been areas of the country that have been downtrodden, they just don't want to remind you of that, as it lessens their impact.

I don't think patriotism is a bad thing, as long as it's not blind patriotism.

[lostalex]

Hmm.. You are what I would call a wind-up merchant! :D

In my world, everyone else is a toy with a pull string in the back, and it's my job to pull the string. :D

[MTVN]

You should only be patriotic if you live in a great country. Obviously as an American I am very patriotic.

But if i lived in like Cuba, or North Korea, or Canada, i wouldn't be patriotic.


http://inpursuitofamerica.com/images/patriotic-poster_y13q.jpg

Yeah but you're patriotism is more or less blind from what I've seen, you will defend your country to the hilt regardless of the discussion.

[Lee.]

In my world, everyone else is a toy with a pull string in the back, and it's my job to pull the string. :D

Hahaha.. yeah, I can see that! :D

[lostalex]

Yeah but you're patriotism is more or less blind from what I've seen, you will defend your country to the hilt regardless of the discussion.


Wrong. have no problem criticizing my country, I'm a liberal. But like someone else said in this thread. It's like when you complain about your own family, but if someone not in your family says something against your family, you defend them.


Just because you are critical and objective about your own kind, doesn't mean you'll tolerate attacks from outside.

I love Michael Moore, but if Michael Moore was not American, i wouldn't, if he was canadian or british, i'd be like, don't you have enuf problems in yur own country?? who are YOU to focus on OUR problems, when you have so many problems of your own.

[Stu]

Micahel Moore is an idiot. And Canada is great, eh.

[lostalex]

Micahel Moore is an idiot. And Canada is great, eh.

Canada is not great. It's a mini-america, and everything it is is just a second-rate imitation of America.

[Stu]

Canada is not great. It's a mini-america, and everything it is is just a second-rate imitation of America.
Like the healthcare system? :joker:

When I was there I found it a very warm, friendly place. It seems to contain most of America's best elements without most of the worst.

Of course I'm judging on strength of character, gun control, general state of culture, cleanliness and functionality of cities and transport that sort of thing.

Not 'they need to rely on us nyah!' type judgements.

[Lee.]

I have always fancied going to Canada actually. Everybody I know that's been there says it's fantastic... miles better than the USA in fact! :tongue:

[lostalex]

Like the healthcare system? :joker:

When I was there I found it a very warm, friendly place. It seems to contain most of America's best elements without most of the worst.

Of course I'm judging on strength of character, gun control, general state of culture, cleanliness and functionality of cities and transport that sort of thing.

Not 'they need to rely on us nyah!' type judgements.

Canada's healthcare syustem has plenty of problems of their own. And the cancer survival rates are higher int he US than in Canada. There wwas a case recently that outraged canadians of even Canadian Politicians coming to the US to get surgeries.

SO if Canadian elites trust the US healthcare more than Canadian, what does that tell you?

I never said there weren't plenty of fantastic things about Canada. I"m just saying Canada is "great". "Great" mean's it's special, it's something to talk about,. something amazing.

There's nothing AMAZING about Canada. Anything you can find in Canada you can find done bigger and better in the USA.

[lostalex]

I have always fancied going to Canada actually. Everybody I know that's been there says it's fantastic... miles better than the USA in fact! :tongue:
Then why do all the best of Canada move to the USA?

Even though Canada is only 1/10th the population of the US, there are more Canadians trying to move to the USA, than American's trying to move to Canada.

So obviously Canadians disagree with you.

[Lee.]

Then why do all the best of Canada move to the USA?

Even though Canada is only 1/10th the population of the US, there are more Canadians trying to move to the USA, than American's trying to move to Canada.

So obviously Canadians disagree with you.

Lol.. I'm just pulling your string!!

I've never been to the States or Canada and would like to visit both equally.

My brother in law and cousin in law are both American and have said that America is a fantastic place to visit.

My cousins are in LA and keep on at us to go and visit, but I can't really be arsed with the long flight when my kids are so young. May do it in a few years :)

[lostalex]

It is a nightmare of a flight. I can't even bear the 4 hour flights to the east coast, so i can't imagine all the way from Europe.

I hate flying.

[Lee.]

It is a nightmare of a flight. I can't even bear the 4 hour flights to the east coast, so i can't imagine all the way from Europe.

I hate flying.

Oh I love flying.. if you get peace to have a few drinks,get a blanket and get stuck into a good book. This sort of thing just doesn't happen though when you have a 6 and a 4 year old in tow! :)

[Stu]

Can you actually give me examples of things in Canada being done bigger and better in America? It's a bit of a blanket argument that's useless on it's own. In my experience I found Canadians more pleasant, levelheaded and knowledgable than their Ameircan counterparts. That's what I'm judging things on from my perspective. Not which country has the largest shopping mall.

[Claymores]

It is a nightmare of a flight. I can't even bear the 4 hour flights to the east coast, so i can't imagine all the way from Europe.

I hate flying.

Try 14 hours in an Air France 747 where the movie is in French and about 7 miles away at the front of the cabin. Then they're gonna land you at Charles De Gaulle @ 4am where it's -6C and all your warm clothes are in the suitcase for onwards flight.

Americans are such wimps!

[lostalex]

Can you actually give me examples of things in Canada being done bigger and better in America?


No worries. I'll give plenty of examples...

Science, Technology, Medicine, Education, Art, Film, Music, Military, Literature, Agriculture....

Need i go on?

And on an interesting side-note to your statement, i believe that actually Canada has a larger shopping mall than any in America, so they did get us on ONE thing. LOL.

[Stu]

No worries. I'll give plenty of examples...

Science, Technology, Medicine, Education, Art, Film, Music, Military, Literature, Agriculture....

Need i go on?
Because all of those things are done biggest and best in America and that is a fact :joker:.

[lostalex]

Try 14 hours in an Air France 747 where the movie is in French and about 7 miles away at the front of the cabin. Then they're gonna land you at Charles De Gaulle @ 4am where it's -6C and all your warm clothes are in the suitcase for onwards flight.

Americans are such wimps!

Hey, it's not my fault you live so close to france! don't blame Americans for that! :P

did you see that funny story about the french guy arrested in new york for smoking in the bathrooms on his flight? and when the police arrested him he said "I'm French, ****** You!" LOL

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/im-french-f-you-smoker-on-flight-charged-with-assault-20110112-19n6s.html

[lostalex]

Because all of those things are done biggest and best in America and that is a fact :joker:.
ummm, yup. :)

Do you have a rebuttal? or is a silly little cartoon emoticon the best you can come up with?

[Niamh.]

Because all of those things are done biggest and best in America and that is a fact :joker:.

the people are also bigger.

[Stu]

ummm, yup. :)

Do you have a rebuttal? or is a silly little cartoon emoticon the best you can come up with?
I don't need a rebuttal. Don't be so characteristically abrasive, Yank. Many of those things you listed are sheer matter of opinion. America has certainly not produced the vast majority of cream of the crop scientists, the UK has the title for 'most invented', dozens of better healthcare systems exist in the world than America's, and I personally prefer all of the UK's art, music and literature. Film I will give you.

You are doing a wonderful job of demonstrating why I would rather live in Canada than the UK. I can take my American movies with me in a hard drive. The general mindset of the people and their attitude to life is a little bit more difficult though. I find too high a proportion - too high, not all - of Americans to be distant, dehumanized, utterly plastic, egotistical ****tards to ever consider living their. I find most Irish people to be close minded, ignorant, gossip obsessed closet racists if that balances it out for you and you think I am simply attacking a country for the heck of it.

[lostalex]

the people are also bigger.

Canadians and Brits are just as fat as Americans, so plz don't rtry to use the obesity thing. Srsly, it would be pathetic. All modern prosperous countries have obesity issues.

A Brit calling an American fat, would be like Vanessa Feltz calling Dawn French a fatty.

[Smithy]

canadians and brits are njust as fat as Americans, so plz don;'t rtry to uase the obesity thing. Srsly, it would be pathjetic. All modern prs[erous countries have obesity issues.


Christ are you typing in the dark or are you just drunk :shocked:

[lostalex]

Christ are you typing in the dark or are you just drunk :shocked:

My Brain is faster than my fingers.
Don't blame me, blame yur suicidal friends.

[Smithy]

My Brain is faster than my fingers.
Don't blame me, blame yur suicidal friends.

You must have some very very slow fingers

[Niamh.]

canadians and brits are njust as fat as Americans, so plz don;'t rtry to uase the obesity thing. Srsly, it would be pathjetic. All modern prs[erous countries have obesity issues.

A Brit calling an American fat, would be like Vanessa Feltz calling Dawn French a fatty.

actually I can use that since the USA is the third fattest country in the world, Canada isn't even in the top 10 :bigsmile:

[lostalex]

I don't need a rebuttal. Don't be so characteristically abrasive, Yank. Many of those things you listed are sheer matter of opinion. America has certainly not produced the vast majority of cream of the crop scientists, the UK has the title for 'most invented', dozens of better healthcare systems exist in the world than America's, and I personally prefer all of the UK's art, music and literature. Film I will give you.

You are doing a wonderful job of demonstrating why I would rather live in Canada than the UK. I can take my American movies with me in a hard drive. The general mindset of the people and their attitude to life is a little bit more difficult though. I find too high a proportion - too high, not all - of Americans to be distant, dehumanized, utterly plastic, egotistical ****tards to ever consider living their. I find most Irish people to be close minded, ignorant, gossip obsessed closet racists if that balances it out for you and you think I am simply attacking a country for the heck of it.


Ok so basically you've just said, you' love the UK and hate everything that's not british, but you'd prefer CANADA TO AMERICA, CAUSE ATLEAST YOU CAN STILL FEEL SUPEWRIOR IN CANADA.

OKAY, BUT STILL, BRITAIN IS SMALL, AND INSIGNIFICANT

oops, just realized i accidentally hit that caps button...
but anyways, America is the most power and prosperous country in the history of the world, and you hate that.

You love Britain.

Noted and Recorded. Fantastic for you. The rest of the world gets a say too though.

[Claymores]

Hey, it's not my fault you live so close to france! don't blame Americans for that! :P

did you see that funny story about the french guy arrested in new york for smoking in the bathrooms on his flight? and when the police arrested him he said "I'm French, ****** You!" LOL

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/im-french-f-you-smoker-on-flight-charged-with-assault-20110112-19n6s.html

LOL mate - we do this quite often in each other's countrys in Europe

In Edinburgh it is illegal to drink alcohol in public - so when my German pals were drinking alcohol it the public park I just told them to remember they couldn't speak english when the police arrived and I'd do the pretend interpret (I can't really speak Deutsch!)

[lostalex]

actually I can use that since the USA is the third fattest country in the world, Canada isn't even in the top 10 :bigsmile:

according to who? have you ever seen canadian eskimo's?? they are ******ing FAT. They look like hamsters carrying seeds in their cheeks.

[Lee.]

Try 14 hours in an Air France 747 where the movie is in French and about 7 miles away at the front of the cabin. Then they're gonna land you at Charles De Gaulle @ 4am where it's -6C and all your warm clothes are in the suitcase for onwards flight.

Americans are such wimps!

Hahaha.. did someone travel home from Mauritius in their Bermuda shorts Ian?? :laugh:

[Niamh.]

according to who? have you ever seen canadian eskimo's?? they are ******ing FAT. They look like hamsters carrying seeds in their cheeks.

actually according to a couple of websites the USA is still the fattest so I was being generous when I said you were 3rd:joker:

[Stu]

Ok so basically you've just said, you' love the UK and hate everything that's not british, but you'd prefer CANADA TO AMERICA, CAUSE ATLEAST YOU CAN STILL FEEL SUPEWRIOR IN CANADA.

OKAY, BUT STILL, BRITAIN IS SMALL, AND INSIGNIFICANT

oops, just realized i accidentally hit that caps button...
but anyways, America is the most power and prosperous country in the history of the world, and you hate that.

You love Britain.

Noted and Recorded. Fantastic for you. The rest of the world gets a say too though.
I am being schooled by the master of the rebuttal it would seem. Nothing to say for America not having the best healthcare system in the world or the highest proportion of groundbreaking scientists and inventions in the world? Nothing to say for acknowledging that art, literature, music and film are merely a matter of opinion? Nothing to say to either take back or expand on your bold 'AMERICA DOES ALL THESE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE' claptrap?

Just an illogical, downright bizarre post full of rambling, poorly typed assumptions. A true product of the worlds greatest education system!

[Stu]

according to who? have you ever seen canadian eskimo's?? they are ******ing FAT. They look like hamsters carrying seeds in their cheeks.
According to the World Health Organization's 2010 statistical report :

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/health/101119/fat-top-10-obese

[Claymores]

Hahaha.. did someone travel home from Mauritius in their Bermuda shorts Ian?? :laugh:

Almost Lee - it was bluddy roasting in Mauritius when I left so you tend to forget that Paris is gonna be freezing and have to sit there for 4 hours with 0 to do except shiver! I called ahead to get my dad to come to EDI with a cosy jacket!

[lostalex]

Who cares about ranking? All developed countries have obesity epidemics. For any european opr North American countries to trade insults about fattness, is dumb. We're all fat. SO what.

I'm not fat, but i don't have a problem with fat people. I know lots of awesome fat people.

Being anti-fat people is no different than racism or homophobia. Just live yur life, and be kind to people. WHo cares if they are fat??

My brother is a little bit fat, and he's the most awesome person in the world.

[Niamh.]

Who cares about ranking? All developed countries have obesity epidemics. For any european opr North American countries to trade insults about fattness, is dumb. We're all fat. SO what.

I'm not fat, but i don't have a problem with fat people. I know lots of awesome fat people.

Being anti-fat people is no different than racism or homophobia. Just live yur life, and be kind to people. WHo cares if they are fat??

My brother is a little bit fat, and he's the most awesome person in the world.

I have nothing against fat people :/ I just thought we were naming things that were bigger in America

[Vicky.]

I have nothing against fat people :/ I just thought we were naming things that were bigger in America

:laugh2:

[Claymores]

Who cares about ranking? All developed countries have obesity epidemics. For any european opr North American countries to trade insults about fattness, is dumb. We're all fat. SO what.

I'm not fat, but i don't have a problem with fat people. I know lots of awesome fat people.

Being anti-fat people is no different than racism or homophobia. Just live yur life, and be kind to people. WHo cares if they are fat??

My brother is a little bit fat, and he's the most awesome person in the world.



This sounds like a Kenneth Tong thread now :joker:

[Lee.]

Almost Lee - it was bluddy roasting in Mauritius when I left so you tend to forget that Paris is gonna be freezing and have to sit there for 4 hours with 0 to do except shiver! I called ahead to get my dad to come to EDI with a cosy jacket!

:joker:
I can't remember why or how I managed it, but the first time I did it, had a 7 hour stopover in Paris,but for some reason I love being in airporst so actually loved every hour of it..

[Stu]

I have nothing against fat people :/ I just thought we were naming things that were bigger in America
WIN

:laugh:

[Claymores]

:joker:
I can't remember why or how I managed it, but the first time I did it, had a 7 hour stopover in Paris,but for some reason I love being in airporst so actually loved every hour of it..

Did alcohol play some part perchance Lee?!?!?!

[lostalex]

WIN

:laugh:

I'd rather have 1,000 more fat people and have landed 1 man on the moon, than have 100 more =fat people, and not ever have left the atmosphere by ourselves, like britain.

As fat as we are, at least we arn't as stuck and dependent as britain.

Go crawling to the EU for some semblance of world relevance plzzz. And keep bitching about how yur attempts at world conquest (which was really just an excuse for genocide and slavery) have been thwarted. but you really didn't mean any harm right???

[Vicky.]

I'd rather have 1,000 more fat people and have landed 1 man on the moon, than have 100 more =fat people, and not ever have left the atmosphere by ourselves, like britain.

As fat as we are, at least we arn't as stuck and dependent as britain.

Go crawling to the EU for some semblance of world relevance plzzz. And keep bitching about how yur attempts at world conquest (which was really just an excuse for genocide and slavery) have been thwarted. but you really didn't mean any harm right???Oh dear lord, this gets better :D

As moon landings are all to strive for in life :D

[Claymores]

I've a feeling alex and Kenneth Tong would get on well.

[MTVN]

I'd rather have 1,000 more fat people and have landed 1 man on the moon, than have 100 more =fat people, and not ever have left the atmosphere by ourselves, like britain.

As fat as we are, at least we arn't as stuck and dependent as britain.

Go crawling to the EU for some semblance of world relevance plzzz. And keep bitching about how yur attempts at world conquest (which was really just an excuse for genocide and slavery) have been thwarted. but you really didn't mean any harm right???

When does anyone "bitch" about our "attempts at world conquest" being "thwarted"?

And no, the Empire was not just an excuse for genocide and slavery.

[lostalex]

yall keep mentioning him, when are you going to introduce me?

[lostalex]

When does anyone "bitch" about our "attempts at world conquest" being "thwarted"?

And no, the Empire was not just an excuse for genocide and slavery.

yes it was, and unlike the germans, which at least have a healthy respect for history, we do often see brits on not only this forum, but all over the internet, having reverence for their own attempt at genocide in the world, in fact the british colonial genocide against native americans, carribeans, south americans, australians, indians africans etc, is far worse than anything Hitler ever did against the homosexuals, disabled, and jews during the "holocaust".

Add then the slave trade they spread through the America's, and there's no comparison. Hitler wishes he could have inflicted so much suffering as british colonialism.

[Stu]

And keep bitching about how yur attempts at world conquest (which was really just an excuse for genocide and slavery) have been thwarted. but you really didn't mean any harm right???
I'm Irish. Given my ancestors were victim to the British empire I doubt I'm the right person you should be directing this to.

But who cares how many people the British killed. Nobody cares about statistics, right?

It was German scientists who put you guys on the moon, by the way.

[lostalex]

I'm Irish. Given my ancestors were victim to the British empire I doubt I'm the right person you should be directing this to.

But who cares how many people the British killed. Nobody cares about statistics, right?

It was German scientists who put you guys on the moon, by the way.
again proving yurself racist. I guess immigrants arn't "real" Americans according to you right?

[Vicky.]

Why has this been directed in the angle of slavery again?

You know, this is going to be a VERY controversial view, but I really dont get people who get so upset by things that happened absolutely ages ago. like, if it came out that for example, the polish had enslaved britain 2000 years ago, I wouldnt get pissed about it now and bring it up at every oppertunity just(seemingly) to score points :S

[MTVN]

yes it was, and unlike the germans, which at least have a healthy respect for history, we do often see brits on not only this forum, but all over the internet, having reverence for their own attempt at genocide in the world, inf act the british colonial genocide against native americans, carribeans, south americans, australians, indians africans etc, is far worse than anything Hitler ever did against the homosexuals, disabled, and jews during the "holocaust"

Having an Empire wasnt an "excuse" for anything, countries were Colonised for trade and economic purposes primarily, and so we could continue to compete with nations worldwide, possessing an Empire wasnt exclusive to Britain you know.

Of course the actions of the British Imperialism were reprehensible, although they weren't considered to be by the standards of the time, but Britons do not exactly revere the Empire, far from it I would say.

Hitler wiped out half of the worlds Jewish population, as well as millions of other "undesirables" in the space of three years, I doubt he "wishes he could have inflicted so much suffering as british colonialism"

[Stu]

again proving yurself racist. I guess immigrants arn't "real" Americans according to you right?
You mean Nazi scientists spared by the U.S. from war trials with the express intent of shipping them over to the states to get them to work on the 'American' space program?

Yeah, them.

[Scarlett.]

but anyways, America is the most power and prosperous country in the history of the world, and you hate that.

lol fail

Let's forget about Roman Empire, the fathers of the modern day democracy, who lasted from 509BC to 476AD (or 1453AD if you include the Eastern Roman Empire)

Do you think America will still exist in 1000/1500 years?

[MTVN]

lol fail

Let's forget about Roman Empire, the fathers of the modern day democracy, who lasted from 509BC to 476AD (or 1453AD if you include the Eastern Roman Empire)

Do you think America will still exist in 1000/1500 years?

Oh no, I've had this agrument before, according to him the US today is far more powerful than the Roman Empire ever was because all they had was catapults and the US has nukes :rolleyes:

[Scarlett.]

Oh no, I've had this agrument before, according to him the US today is far more powerful than the Roman Empire ever was because all they had was catapults and the US has nukes :rolleyes:

lmao, the Roman Empire would own the American's if they battled :joker: unless America decided to forever ruin another area of the world by dropping their oh so great nuke

[InOne]

Why has this been directed in the angle of slavery again?

You know, this is going to be a VERY controversial view, but I really dont get people who get so upset by things that happened absolutely ages ago. like, if it came out that for example, the polish had enslaved britain 2000 years ago, I wouldnt get pissed about it now and bring it up at every oppertunity just(seemingly) to score points :S

Yep, we always seem to have to apologize for slavery, when in some cases their own people sold them off :bored:

[Vicky.]

Yep, we always seem to have to apologize for slavery, when in some cases their own people sold them off :bored:

Its not even this that annoys me though.

Its just a case of why should we apologise for things that wasnt even us. I know its a bit more complicated than that, but it doesnt need to be.

Basically, its just a big ass grudge...

Its like...I all germans for killing my great great great grandad or anything. Thats just stupid. And I certainly wouldnt hold it against them. It was nothing to do with them :/

[lostalex]

Hitler wiped out half of the worlds Jewish population, as well as millions of other "undesirables" in the space of three years, I doubt he "wishes he could have inflicted so much suffering as british colonialism"


And what percentage of Americans, Canadians, all native people of the Americas, did the britsh wipe out? The native Austraiians? Indians? Africans??

Oh yea, that's right, no one BOTHERED to write it down...

[Smithy]

Where's Patrick when you need him

[lostalex]

You mean Nazi scientists spared by the U.S. from war trials with the express intent of shipping them over to the states to get them to work on the 'American' space program?

Yeah, them.

who are you referring to specifically? ALl the major german scientists i know of escaped to the US, not "kidnapped by the US" as you are implying.

Please edify us all of the specific NAZI scientists yu are referring to in the US space program.

[lostalex]

Where's Patrick when you need him

I scared him away *smiles sweetly* :)

[Stu]

who are you referring to specifically? ALl the major german scientists i know of escaped to the US, not "kidnapped by the US" as you are implying.

Please edify us all of the specific NAZI scientists yu are referring to in the US space program.
Rudolph Ammann, Rudi Beichel, Werner Dahm, Konrad Dannenberg, Kurt H. Debus, Ernst R. G. Eckert, Krafft Arnold Ehricke, Ernst Geissler, Dieter Grau, Walter Häussermann, Karl Heimburg, Otto Hirschler, Helmut Hoelzer, Hans Hueter, Wilhelm Jungert, Heinz-Hermann Koelle, Hermann H. Kurzweg, Fritz Mueller, Willy Mrazek, Erich W. Neubert, Theodor A. Poppel, Eberhard Rees, Gerhard Reisig, Georg Rickhey, Werner Rosinski, Ludwig Roth, Arthur Rudolph, Harry Ruppe, August Schulze, Walter Schwidetzky, Ernst Stuhlinger, Bernhard Tessmann, Adolf Thiel, Wernher von Braun, Albert Zeiler, Theodor Karl, Otto Vowe Georg von Tiesenhausen.

What makes you think I implied kidnap? They escaped just like you said to the US. The US gave them a helping hand though. Many of those men could have been tried but were not because they were needed by the US.

Take a look at the case of central figure Wernher von Braun. A former SS officer who ended up director of the United States Marshall Space Flight center. He spearheaded the Saturn V booster rocket that put your countrymen on the moon.

Why don't you look up Operation Paperclip. Once a project your government kept secret but these days you can read all about it. Knowledge is power.

[lostalex]

Let's get this thread back on track...


http://gooseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/captain_america.jpg

[lostalex]

Rudolph Ammann, Rudi Beichel, Werner Dahm, Konrad Dannenberg, Kurt H. Debus, Ernst R. G. Eckert, Krafft Arnold Ehricke, Ernst Geissler, Dieter Grau, Walter Häussermann, Karl Heimburg, Otto Hirschler, Helmut Hoelzer, Hans Hueter, Wilhelm Jungert, Heinz-Hermann Koelle, Hermann H. Kurzweg, Fritz Mueller, Willy Mrazek, Erich W. Neubert, Theodor A. Poppel, Eberhard Rees, Gerhard Reisig, Georg Rickhey, Werner Rosinski, Ludwig Roth, Arthur Rudolph, Harry Ruppe, August Schulze, Walter Schwidetzky, Ernst Stuhlinger, Bernhard Tessmann, Adolf Thiel, Wernher von Braun, Albert Zeiler, Theodor Karl, Otto Vowe Georg von Tiesenhausen.

What makes you think I implied kidnap? They escaped just like you said to the US. The US gave them a helping hand though. Many of those men could have been tried but were not because they were needed by the US.

Take a look at the case of central figure Wernher von Braun. A former SS officer who ended up director of the United States Marshall Space Flight center. He spearheaded the Saturn V booster rocket that put your countrymen on the moon.

Why don't you look up Operation Paperclip. Once a project your government kept secret but these days you can read all about it. Knowledge is power.


Well, would you rather they were working for the Soviets?

[Stu]

Well and truley rattled. You put up a lovely pedantic front demanding names you didn't think I could give you about information you didn't think I knew of, then the best you can do - the man who complains about others lack of rebuttals - is sidestep it and bring ze Russians into it?

I couldn't care less who would have gotten to the moon first. The Russians put a man in space first before the Germans put an American on the moon. If it were the other way around I doubt I would have felt any differently. It's a pointless comparison.

[lostalex]

Well and truley rattled. You put up a lovely pedantic front demanding names you didn't think I could give you about information you didn't think I knew of, then the best you can do - the man who complains about others lack of rebuttals - is sidestep it and bring ze Russians into it?

I couldn't care less who would have gotten to the moon first. The Russians put a man in space first before the Germans put an American on the moon. If it were the other way around I doubt I would have felt any differently. It's a pointless comparison.



no dear, i'm not rattled, i'm just too lazy to confirm all that you say. I appreciate yur list, which i doubt you compiled yourself, you obviously cut/pasted it from some one else who actually did the work, but like i said befopre you posted it, i want this thread to get back on track.

Is Patriotism a bad thing?

No, imo.

Are german ex-pats a bad thing (even if they work in our aerospace tech industry)? No, imo.

Can we all just be decent human beings? YES! :)

[Stu]

Your contant attempts at trying to undermine anyone who may have gotten the upper hand are laughable. Of course I didn't compile the list myself you nitwit. I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of German implants. However I am familiar with Operation Paperclip. It was as easy as looking it up on Wikipedia, following through the link to 'List of German rocket scientists in the United States' and et voila.

Someone else typed the list. I took it. The person who typed it also took it from someone or something else. Does it change anything? Absoloutely not.

[lostalex]

lol @ "operation paperclip"

anyways. do you honestly think i give a flying crap? I was born in 1982. The fact thjat my forefathers aquired the knowledge to end the worst war in modern history is a source of pride for me. Do i give a a flying ******* how they did it? no, i'm just glad not to be speaking japanese or russian right now. as you should be.

Gratitude is a dying art.

[Stu]

lol @ "operation paperclip"

anyways. do you honestly think i give a flying crap? I was born in 1982. The fact thjat my forefathers aquired the knowledge to end the worst war in modern history is a source of pride for me. Do i give a a flying ******* how they did it? no, i'm just glad not to be speaking japanese or russian right now. as you should be.

Gratitude is a dying art.
You are tragically stupid. No point continuing on with you.

[lostalex]

You are tragically stupid. No point continuing on with you.


if that means you'll stop baiting me into pointless banter, then i whole-heartedly applaud yur decision! :xyxwave:

[InOne]

It's the WASP Americans that are the worst. Probs what lostalex is :bored:

[lostalex]

It's the WASP Americans that are the worst. Probs what lostalex is :bored:

don't be racist.

[Niamh.]

WASP American?

[InOne]

don't be racist.

Eh?

[lostalex]

WASP American?


wasp= white anglo-saxon protestant.

[Vladimir]

I'm not patriotic at all, but I'm not comfortable when someone offends my country. I would really love to get out of here.

[lostalex]

I'm not patriotic at all, but I'm not comfortable when someone offends my country. I would really love to get out of here.

Which country would you emigrate to? the UK?

[Shasown]

And keep bitching about how yur attempts at world conquest (which was really just an excuse for genocide and slavery) have been thwarted. but you really didn't mean any harm right???

Why do you keep bringing up slavery? Seems like a thorn in your side, or a real chip on your shoulder.

Anyways just to show you what a stupid and ignorant argument that one is, just like all your arguments really, what do you make of this:

1502 First African slaves taken to the Americas.

1776 Declaration of Independence made by Continental Congress

1781 Effective end of the land war between US and UK

1783 Cessation of Hostilities between US and UK

1787 Constitution of the US adopted by the Continental Convention.

1790 William Wilberforce presents the first abolition bill to the House of Commons, but it does not pass

1791 US adopted Bill of Rights.

1807 The Transatlantic Slave Trade is abolished by the British Parliament. US also bans the slave trade, to take effect the following year.

1833 Abolition of Slavery Act – Britain abolishes slavery and provides for the emancipation of enslaved people in the British West Indies, to take effect in August 1834.

1861 US Civil War starts (one of the reasons being slavery)

1865 The Thirteenth Amendment marks the abolition of slavery in the USA at the end of the American Civil War.

Seems like you Yanks were a lot fonder of slavery than us.

[Beastie]

Fish and Chips and Yorkshire Puddings :love:

[InOne]

Fish and Chips and Yorkshire Puddings :love:

Screw England, we're Yorkshire :hugesmile:

[Beastie]

Oh yeah.. some foreigners at work were sort of going on at me about England and it's history and how we "took over" other countries. Seems like some people still have a chip on their shoulder. Was going to answer back.. was going to say that it's a bit hypocritcal of them to say that. Why are you in this country then? I didn't though.. I would have got the sack I bet. It's a bit disgusting really. Lack of freedom of speech but foreigners can say what they like. Most of them are fine. I just started talking and then 1 or 2 of them were goading me a bit. Mmm.

[Beastie]

Screw England, we're Yorkshire :hugesmile:

:love: We should take over Joe Joe. Yorkshire should not be a county, it should be a country. We need to take over.

[InOne]

:love: We should take over Joe Joe. Yorkshire should not be a county, it should be a country. We need to take over.

I love it when you're at a gig or something and everyone just chants YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE

[Vicky.]

Oh yeah.. some foreigners at work were sort of going on at me about England and it's history and how we "took over" other countries. Seems like some people still have a chip on their shoulder. Was going to answer back.. was going to say that it's a bit hypocritcal of them to say that. Why are you in this country then? I didn't though.. I would have got the sack I bet. It's a bit disgusting really. Lack of freedom of speech but foreigners can say what they like. Most of them are fine. I just started talking and then 1 or 2 of them were goading me a bit. Mmm.

Yeah, they hate us/our country, but are happy to live here.

Pretty used to that attitude now tbh :)

[InOne]

Oh yeah.. some foreigners at work were sort of going on at me about England and it's history and how we "took over" other countries. Seems like some people still have a chip on their shoulder. Was going to answer back.. was going to say that it's a bit hypocritcal of them to say that. Why are you in this country then? I didn't though.. I would have got the sack I bet. It's a bit disgusting really. Lack of freedom of speech but foreigners can say what they like. Most of them are fine. I just started talking and then 1 or 2 of them were goading me a bit. Mmm.

And now it's the other way round.




oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo lol

[Beastie]

I love it when you're at a gig or something and everyone just chants YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE

Oh. I don't think I have heard that before :( The last gig I went to was full of sweaty teens. lol

[Beastie]

Yeah, they hate us/our country, but are happy to live here.

Pretty used to that attitude now tbh :)

Disgusting. And now we have to learn to take a "blind eye" to it all! I think it is creeping me out a bit that in years to come.. white British will be a minority. Okay I don't mind this but I know a few foreigners would want to take over. Mainly for the reason to get their "payback" I reckon. 2 wrongs don't make a right. These foreigners with a chip on their shoulder need to get with the times. The UK is generous. Arn't we the most giving country in the world when it comes to giving money to charity?? I thought we are!

[Beastie]

And now it's the other way round.




oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo lol

I bet in years to come I will be forced out of this country. May end up being emmigrated to Austrlia or New Zealand. I can imagine that happening.

[InOne]

Thing is though, it's the 2nd generation that are the worst, cos they're brought up with the attitudes of their parents, so they're born with a chip on their shoulder

[Vicky.]

I bet in years to come I will be forced out of this country. May end up being emmigrated to Austrlia or New Zealand. I can imagine that happening.

Perfect :D

[MTVN]

Oh yeah.. some foreigners at work were sort of going on at me about England and it's history and how we "took over" other countries. Seems like some people still have a chip on their shoulder. Was going to answer back.. was going to say that it's a bit hypocritcal of them to say that. Why are you in this country then? I didn't though.. I would have got the sack I bet. It's a bit disgusting really. Lack of freedom of speech but foreigners can say what they like. Most of them are fine. I just started talking and then 1 or 2 of them were goading me a bit. Mmm.

Well I dont really know who the foreigners are but generally they're here because we offer a better standard of living than their home countries, and a lot of this countries prosperity was built on the back of it's imperialism.

[Beastie]

Well I dont really know who the foreigners are but generally they're here because we offer a better standard of living than their home countries, and a lot of this countries prosperity was built on the back of it's imperialism.

I know they are here because it is better standard of living here and that they would work for peanuts. They would do the jobs that most of us English people can't do. Like I said it was just 2 of the foreigners having a go at me. 1 of them looked at me like a piece of sh!t when I was in work last. But yes.. I don't mind the majority of them. I do treat people for the person who they are. Not what race they come from. I am just saying that I am a bit paranoid that it would only take the odd 1 or 2 foreigners to try and take over the country. Who are deluded because they hate the British White people. It's the same for British White people. Some of them are racists and don't give foreigners a chance. It works both ways. I don't agree with British white people who sponge off the system, don't work or even try to get work. (I know we are in hard times) and who keep having babies. However another reason some foreigners are in this country is also to sponge of the system. To get a council house and free stuff like this because they can't get it in their own country. When it comes down to it all. Yes. It is the government to blame. The government needs to start being more strict and stop handing out these free goods. When people who have to work.. or people who are trying to look for work and are just coping on JSA are the ones who have to pay the price!!

[MTVN]

I know they are here because it is better standard of living here and that they would work for peanuts. They would do the jobs that most of us English people can't do. Like I said it was just 2 of the foreigners having a go at me. 1 of them looked at me like a piece of sh!t when I was in work last. But yes.. I don't mind the majority of them. I do treat people for the person who they are. Not what race they come from. I am just saying that I am a bit paranoid that it would only take the odd 1 or 2 foreigners to try and take over the country. Who are deluded because they hate the British White people. It's the same for British White people. Some of them are racists and don't give foreigners a chance. It works both ways. I don't agree with British white people who sponge off the system, don't work or even try to get work. (I know we are in hard times) and who keep having babies. However another reason some foreigners are in this country is also to sponge of the system. To get a council house and free stuff like this because they can't get it in their own country. When it comes down to it all. Yes. It is the government to blame. The government needs to start being more strict and stop handing out these free goods. When people who have to work.. or people who are trying to look for work and are just coping on JSA are the ones who have to pay the price!!

Yeah fair enough, there's always going to be some bad apples in the basket, and that applies to Brits and immigrants. I agree that the welfare system is definitely to open to abuse as well.

[Beastie]

Yeah fair enough, there's always going to be some bad apples in the basket, and that applies to Brits and immigrants. I agree that the welfare system is definitely to open to abuse as well.

Yes it applies to everyone. Unfortunately for minions like myself we just have to get on with it. Anyway it is mainly the welfare system that is wrong with the country.

[Vladimir]

Which country would you emigrate to? the UK?

No. Spain, Italy (already been to both countries and I think they're great) or America.

[Livia]

Well I dont really know who the foreigners are but generally they're here because we offer a better standard of living than their home countries, and a lot of this countries prosperity was built on the back of it's imperialism.

Let's not forget that while the Empire took a lot from various countries, it gave a lot too, especially in the last half-century when people realised the mistakes of the past. India's infrastructure was built by the British, and Britain gave them a system of government. Ever since India gained independence in the forties we've been giving them aid. Millions every year... over a billion last year. At the same time, they have a fast-growing economy and they're developing their space programme, hoping to have a man in space within the next ten years. So why are we still sending them money when there are people in this country who are homeless and poor?

Furthermore, the Empire became the Commonwealth. If the Commonwealth smacks of imperialism and is not beneficial, how come Mozambique chooses to be a part of it when it was never a part of the Empire?

The vast majority of people in Britain never made a penny from the Empire, especially the working class. But when people come here for a better standard of living from places like India and Pakistan, almost without exception they are housed amongst the working class who have to listen to them moaning about how they were oppressed by the Empire while during that same period most working class Brits lived in squalor with no access to proper education or healthcare and almost no chance of bettering themselves.

Should Italy still be paying for the countries they invaded under their Roman Empire? How much more will Britain have to pay before people latch on to the fact that it happened generations ago yet we're still apologising for it?

Everyone should be rightly proud of their own country, without feeling the need to pick over the past of someone else's.

[Mystic Mock]

No worries. I'll give plenty of examples...

Science, Technology, Medicine, Education, Art, Film, Music, Military, Literature, Agriculture....

Need i go on?

And on an interesting side-note to your statement, i believe that actually Canada has a larger shopping mall than any in America, so they did get us on ONE thing. LOL.

but kid vs kat,my goldfish is evil and johnny test are canadian productions and they beat most american shows imo.

[lostalex]

but kid vs kat,my goldfish is evil and johnny test are canadian productions and they beat most american shows imo.


You might be right, i'm not 12, so i'm not up to date about what's HOT in the saturday morning cartoons department.

[MTVN]

Let's not forget that while the Empire took a lot from various countries, it gave a lot too, especially in the last half-century when people realised the mistakes of the past. India's infrastructure was built by the British, and Britain gave them a system of government. Ever since India gained independence in the forties we've been giving them aid. Millions every year... over a billion last year. At the same time, they have a fast-growing economy and they're developing their space programme, hoping to have a man in space within the next ten years. So why are we still sending them money when there are people in this country who are homeless and poor?

Furthermore, the Empire became the Commonwealth. If the Commonwealth smacks of imperialism and is not beneficial, how come Mozambique chooses to be a part of it when it was never a part of the Empire?

The vast majority of people in Britain never made a penny from the Empire, especially the working class. But when people come here for a better standard of living from places like India and Pakistan, almost without exception they are housed amongst the working class who have to listen to them moaning about how they were oppressed by the Empire while during that same period most working class Brits lived in squalor with no access to proper education or healthcare and almost no chance of bettering themselves.

Should Italy still be paying for the countries they invaded under their Roman Empire? How much more will Britain have to pay before people latch on to the fact that it happened generations ago yet we're still apologising for it?

Everyone should be rightly proud of their own country, without feeling the need to pick over the past of someone else's.

Oh yeah, the Empire did definitely do a lot of good in some respects, something that is often ignored today. But we still took over their countries, killed and manipulated a lot of their people and built prosperity off the back of it.

You're making a bit of a generalisation when you say they come over here moaning though, most of them don't.

[Beastie]

Oh yeah, the Empire did definitely do a lot of good in some respects, something that is often ignored today. But we still took over their countries, killed and manipulated a lot of their people and built prosperity off the back of it.

You're making a bit of a generalisation when you say they come over here moaning though, most of them don't.

This is what paranoies me a bit. What we did to other countries many years ago, them countries could do the same to us. A "payback". However 2 wrongs don't make a right. People need to get with the times.

[MTVN]

This is what paranoies me a bit. What we did to other countries many years ago, them countries could do the same to us. A "payback". However 2 wrongs don't make a right. People need to get with the times.

I'd like to think it would never happen again, we've learnt the mistakes of history now and have moved on

[Beastie]

I'd like to think it would never happen again, we've learnt the mistakes of history now and have moved on

Hopefully.

[InOne]

You might be right, i'm not 12, so i'm not up to date about what's HOT in the saturday morning cartoons department.

:joker:

[bananarama]

As a multi cultural society Britain as Britain no longer has a culture identity.........Being patriotic is there for more and more unlikely as people revert to there own origins when it comes to loyalty.....

[Livia]

Oh yeah, the Empire did definitely do a lot of good in some respects, something that is often ignored today. But we still took over their countries, killed and manipulated a lot of their people and built prosperity off the back of it.

You're making a bit of a generalisation when you say they come over here moaning though, most of them don't.

Yes, I see it looks like a generalisation. Obviously they don't all moan, but like everything, it's the ones that make the most fuss who get the most attention.

The prosperity benefited a minority of the British public. It's not like we're all living high on the hog because the century before last, we took India before France of Germany did.

[lostalex]

Yes, the British empire did some good. There might be some people that would disagree, but they're already dead.

The best thing that can be said about the "british empire" is that it's finished.

I saw an episode of "who do you think you are?" recently, featured a woman who learned of how her family built their wealth on the slave trade.

While Britain had outlawed slavery on their own soil, didn't stop the British elite from still profiting from the slave trade in the carribean and south and north america.

I notice brit's love to mention slavery in reference to denigrating America, but who is really to blame? Follow the money.

[lostalex]

Captain AMERICA IS TOO HOT NOT TO BE PATRIOTIC.:....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/14/article-0-0CC342C1000005DC-946_468x320.jpg

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[patsylimerick]

yes it was, and unlike the germans, which at least have a healthy respect for history, we do often see brits on not only this forum, but all over the internet, having reverence for their own attempt at genocide in the world, in fact the british colonial genocide against native americans, carribeans, south americans, australians, indians africans etc, is far worse than anything Hitler ever did against the homosexuals, disabled, and jews during the "holocaust".

Add then the slave trade they spread through the America's, and there's no comparison. Hitler wishes he could have inflicted so much suffering as british colonialism.

:joker: Oh, you're funny. So who are 'Americans' in the context of the bits in bold? :conf: i'm confused......................
I'd suggest a book to you - it's by a wonderful CANADIAN author, Lawrence Hill, entitled 'The Book of Negroes'. Fascinating insight into the role the withdrawing British played in removing slaves from the grasp of their 'American' slavemasters.

[lostalex]

:joker: Oh, you're funny. So who are 'Americans' in the context of the bits in bold? :conf: i'm confused......................
I'd suggest a book to you - it's by a wonderful CANADIAN author, Lawrence Hill, entitled 'The Book of Negroes'. Fascinating insight into the role the withdrawing British played in removing slaves from the grasp of their 'American' slavemasters.

and what year was that? Cause they had no problem hijacking American ships, and STEALING Americans, forcing them to enlist in the British Navy to figtht the French long after 1776. Maybe you should check out how the war of 1812 started.

Trying to portray the British as anti-slavery is like trying to portray the French as anti-cheese.

[patsylimerick]

and what year was that? Cause they had no problem hijacking American ships, and STEALING Americans, forcing them to enlist in the British Navy to figtht the French long after 1776. Maybe you should check out how the war of 1812 started.

Trying to portray the British as anti-slavery is like trying to portray the French as anti-cheese.

C'mere, I'm Irish, and EXTREMELY patriotic. I'm not trying to help the British out here, (I'd be disowned :joker:) I'm just making the point that the 'Americans' were complicit in slavery. It's kind of like an argument on here elsewhere that's left me nearly without the will to live. Supply and demand, baby. Someone has to pay you for the slaves. I was just wondering, if you were going to use slavery and the near annihilation of Native American tribes as criticisms of the British - at what point you would consider these particular 'British' became 'American'.

Sorry, in answer to your question, between April and November 1783, the Book of Negroes was compiled as the British helped some 3,000 former slaves leave New York for Nova Scotia. It was a bit of a failed experiment, in many ways, but the intent was admirable in a skewed sort of way. It was in contravention of the peace treaty signed in Paris the year before and the American congress demanded the return by the British of all American property - including slaves.

[Angus]

Since when has "Patriotism" been a dirty word? Since it has been hijacked by the ivory towered minority as a derogatory term denoting "racism" in order to slap down any dissent. We are now in the invidious position in Britain where to be proud to be British is practically a criminal offence, whilst we are expected, no required, to celebrate, respect and promote the national identities of those who CHOOSE to come and settle here. Even the loony left have now admitted that multiculturalism does NOT work and WHY? Surprise, surprise - it's because the cultural practices and norms of the different nationalities jostling for scarce resources on our tiny island are often diametrically opposed and any possibility of integration is impossible. Immigrants to this country are positively discouraged from integration by the ridiculous laws that dismiss any signs of patriotism from the host nation as being racist or bigoted.

One example would be the rising tide of anti-semitism in this country against a Jewish community that have lived here for centuries and contributed much to our history and culture. How are their rights and freedoms to be protected against the anti-semitic views of recently arrived immigrants?

[arista]

Captain AMERICA IS TOO HOT NOT TO BE PATRIOTIC.:....

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Kinda Sad
that the Yanks are scared to now have a Capt America.
but then again
GW Bush Carpet Bombing in Iraq
that is Evil.

So maybe
re-name him Capt Evil -America
and be Honest.

[lostalex]

Kinda Sad
that the Yanks are scared to now have a Capt America.
but then again
GW Bush Carpet Bombing in Iraq
that is Evil.

So maybe
re-name him Capt Evil -America
and be Honest.

Evil? nah.... maybe captain NAUGHTY America though... :)

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[lostalex]

Had I the money I'd not leave England. Yes, I'd have retreats but I'd not leave on a permanent basis and yes I've mulled it over before. A year or two ago I was actually given the chance of a home/job/set up in Canada with my family but we turned it down.

Turning down a home in Canada, would be like turning down a big mac at a 4 star french restaurant. It's a no-brainer.

[lostalex]

No I really dislike Wales and can't wait to move to another country. That's not to say it's a terrible country because it's not but I couldn't live my whole life here. The scenery here is good, there are lots of nice places to visit but it's not for me.


I hate to break the news to you, but Wales isn't a country. You live in the The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is your country.

Does Wales have a seat at the UN? NOPE. not a country.

[Smithy]

I hate to break the news to you, but Wales isn't a country. You live in the The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is your country.

Does Wales have a seat at the UN? NOPE. not a country.

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[lostalex]

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Sir Tom does...

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