Have you ever contemplated...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

...suicide? If so what brought you out of that despair?

Apologies to anyone this may offend. Sorry.

[Zippy]

No.

but I think it's valid option if life is too much for you. Everybody assumes people who commit suicide are somehow not thinking straight. What BS. You can make a rational choice that you just don't want to live anymore.

[Twilight]

Nope, i never have.
i've done a lot of stupid things when i've been upset, but i've not even thought of doing that.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

No.

but I think it's valid option if life is too much for you. Everybody assumes people who commit suicide are somehow not thinking straight. What BS. You can make a rational choice that you just don't want to live anymore.

By valid what do you mean exactly? Acceptable?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

yes :L

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

yes :L
I won't lie when I was younger I drank clearasil, shampoo and took 11 pills.
Sometimes life does get depressing but my mum who is a Christian has convinced me that if you kill yourself, you are going straight to hell. lol.

[Zippy]

By valid what do you mean exactly? Acceptable?

Valid as in they have the right to cease living if they choose. Of course, many do it due to mental health issues or emotional trauma. That's a different issue and they probably can be helped...with counselling or medication.

Whether its acceptable is irrelevent. Nobody who wants to kill themselves cares about whether it's acceptable by society.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i slashed my wrists :bawling:

[Twilight]

i slashed my wrists :bawling:

:( <3

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

:( <3

:hug:

[Shasown]

Yes.

RTA then pills

[Zippy]

i slashed my wrists :bawling:

but did you actually want to die or did you want attention? There is a big difference. Not that you wanting attention is a bad thing. Just means you require help sorting out your issues. Whatever they may be.

[Stephanie]

yeah.

[Twilight]

Mehh i might as well say >< i've self harmed before and still do.. but i don't do it for attention.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

but did you actually want to die or did you want attention? There is a big difference. Not that you wanting attention is a bad thing. Just means you require help sorting out your issues. Whatever they may be.

well :L

it was self harm not suicide really, i wanted to bleed i didnt want to die, but i nearly did *_*

[Twilight]

Yeah most people that self harm, don't actually want to die.

[Maia]

Yep :/ I've never self-harmed though.

[Zippy]

Yeah most people that self harm, don't actually want to die.

yes, that's my point. For some it's the only way they feel they can get peoples attention. A cry for help. Theyre not actually suicidal.

If I wanted to kill myself I'd make damn sure the job was done properly.

[Kerry]

No

Lifes not a rehearsal. You don't get a chance to try again

[Zippy]

No

Lifes not a rehearsal. You don't get a chance to try again

unless you believe in reincarnation....

[Kerry]

unless you believe in reincarnation....

I don't. At a guess it just goes black cos I sure as hell can't remember another life

[Shaun]

Nope. I just don't understand the mentality - I've been miserable and lost a lot and been depressed a lot but I can't understand how one could ignore everything that's good about life: art, friends, relationships, learning - in favour of not existing.

[Kerry]

Nope. I just don't understand the mentality - I've been miserable and lost a lot and been depressed a lot but I can't understand how one could ignore everything that's good about life: art, friends, relationships, learning - in favour of not existing.

Same here. I could write all day why I'd not want to be here. Being ill and death and... well alsorts..... but I'm alive

[Shasown]

Nope. I just don't understand the mentality - I've been miserable and lost a lot and been depressed a lot but I can't understand how one could ignore everything that's good about life: art, friends, relationships, learning - in favour of not existing.

Depressed? How depressed were you? A little hacked off with life being unfair, or feeling that everything good in life had been removed from you and there was no chance of it ever being returned? So depressed you lose all interest in art music and all that you consider good in life?

How about being so depressed you just wanted to lie in bed and stay there till you died?

Ever gone to sleep and seen dead bodies, decayed corpses even when you wake in sweat the bodies are still there. Seen friends die over and over again in dreams that just keep coming back and feel you should have died either with them or in their place?

Its a funny thing the mind, it can cope with some heavy duty emotional trauma and bounce right back and then sometimes small upsets can cause it to spiral down into a deep abyss where self loathing is about all its capable of.

[seanraff07]

Never even thought about suicide. I've considered self-harm but i haven't actually done it before cause i tend to convince myself out of it.

I normally let my frustration and concerns out through anger, not by physically hurting others cause i wouldn't do that but by punching/hitting any thing in sight whether it's my bed matress, my dartboard, my wall. Then normally after i've let my anger out i just get a bit emotional.

[Livia]

In my experience, people who really want to kill themselves, do it. People who want attention, get it.

[Patrick]

Lovely thread :love: [sarcastic btw]

And Yes.

I threatened to hang myself back in June '09 because of bullying and stuff like that but then my mum and my school started talking to me and got me signed up to different counsellors and bollocks like that.

Then about a year later, I tried to hang myself but was kind of interrupted moments before I jumped off the stool.
That was pretty much the same reason as before, being bullied and this time I found out I had a few mental problems such as Aspergers and Bipolar Disorder which ******ed me off even more because now I'm not normal and also rejection from a girl I really cared about also added onto me actually making a plan and trying to kill myself.

[Iceman]

Yeah a few years ago, I think I'm wiser to it now after what happened though and stuff thats happened in my life.

[Ramsay]

not gonna get into it ..loooong story but yeah

[spitfire]

Yes.
Every time Celtic beat Rangers but after a few pints the pain and depression goes away.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Lovely thread :love:

And Yes.

I threatened to hang myself back in June '09 because of bullying and stuff like that but then my mum and my school started talking to me and got me signed up to different counsellors and bollocks like that.

Then about a year later, I tried to hang myself but was kind of interrupted moments before I jumped off the stool.
That was pretty much the same reason as before, being bullied and this time I found out I had a few mental problems such as Aspergers and Bipolar Disorder which ******ed me off even more because now I'm not normal and also rejection from a girl I really cared about also added onto me actually making a plan and trying to kill myself.

:bawling: :sad: :hug:

[InOne]

Yeah, it's weird when you're in that state of mind. Felt really embarrassed and ashamed. I was a silly boy :bored:

[Stacey.]

I've thought about it, but I'd never do it, no matter what D:

I can't stand like veins and stuff like that, ugh

[Patrick]

In my experience, people who really want to kill themselves, do it. People who want attention, get it.

I was going to go into an argument about how that's bollocks because some things stop people from doing it, people who aren't attention seekers.

If you were attention seeking you'd hang yourself from a tree in your garden at 10 in the morning so everyone can see you whilst eating their breakfast.

But then I realised it was just in your experience.

[Smithy]

Yeah, but suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem

[Patrick]

Yeah, but suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem

That's what Life Line's New Advertising slogan is :love:
Got one in the mail the other day rofl.

[Patrick]

I've thought about it, but I'd never do it, no matter what D:

I can't stand like veins and stuff like that, ugh

Veins....?

[Lee.]

No, never. Even during bad times I am still the type who is thanful for everything I am and have.

I used to get mad at people contemplating or commiting suicide. I thought it was just an easy way out away from peoples problems and incredibly selfish towards the people and loved ones left behind.

I realised recently it's not quite as simple as that though. :(

[InOne]

It's actually pretty hard to die as well. So people who go all out must be in a pretty bad place.

[Stacey.]

Veins....?

I mean when people self-harm like slitting their wrists or whatever, I couldn't, I can't even look at veins or anything like that

[Patrick]

It's actually pretty hard to die as well. So people who go all out must be in a pretty bad place.

Sometimes.

If you do it right, it's easy.

If you hang yourself and jump at the right height, your neck will break and you're gone in a second and won't feel a thing.

If you fail, You're left hanging there for a few minutes.
Your body will try to fight suffocation, until eventually it fails and you slowly suffocate to death.

Alot like drowning.




I realised recently it's not quite as simple as that though. :(

Yeah,
Because at the end of the day it isn't actually the loved ones who are living through the pain or whatever the other person is going through.

[Patrick]

I mean when people self-harm like slitting their wrists or whatever, I couldn't, I can't even look at veins or anything like that

Oh yeah I get'cha know.

Yeah it'd be kind of creepy, seeing your veins pumping or something if you slit your wrists :shocked:

[Benjamin]

I have several times in my life. I don't believe I would actually ever go through with it though, but it did trigger off my interest in suicide (sounds morbid) for my poetry and creative work. The emotional state people are in at that point in their lives, and the reprocussions of the event on other people intrigues and saddens me deeply.

It does however annoy me when people state that 'people who commit suicide are selfish'. They are in such a dark, despairing place that it seems like the only option and people can neglect to see (sometimes intentionally) the signs before suicide or the plea for help.

[Twilight]

Hmm imo you can't really understand why people self harm unless you have actually done it :/

[Boothy]

Nah, never. Can't imagine anything happening in life that would make me want to kill myself either.

If I was to, for whatever reason, I'd make sure I died though. Like, I'd jump off a really tall building or hanging myself, something like that. Quick death, sure fire way to die. Couldn't be doing with cutting my wrists, putting myself through all that pain when the chances of dying at the end of it are pretty slim.

[Niall]

No I've never contemplated suicide. I've never had those sort of feelings before and I hope I never do.

I really do feel sorry for those who do get those feelings. I mean it must be horrible to think there is nothing left in the world for you. And I do agree that half the time it is a cry for help by the person who attempts suicide.

[InOne]

I think mostly people drinks loads of alcohol and take a load of pills before they slit their wrists.

[Boothy]

I think mostly people drinks loads of alcohol and take a load of pills before they slit their wrists.

If I tried that I just wouldn't be able to cut straight and end up messing it up.

[InOne]

If I tried that I just wouldn't be able to cut straight and end up messing it up.

I think people who try that often do get found unless they're alone for hours. Slow way to die.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Hmm imo you can't really understand why people self harm unless you have actually done it :/

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

[Boothy]

I think people who try that often do get found unless they're alone for hours. Slow way to die.

See, I can sort of understand why someone might want to kill themselves but that's no way to do it. Surely they'd want to experience minimal pain?

[Ninastar]

this thread is well upsetting. i want to hug everyone here :hug:

[Twilight]

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

Its true :') people automatically think they have the right to judge people because of it, and that ****ing annoying me. x

[Benjamin]

See, I can sort of understand why someone might want to kill themselves but that's no way to do it. Surely they'd want to experience minimal pain?

Sometimes people feel that they deserve the pain. :sad:

[InOne]

See, I can sort of understand why someone might want to kill themselves but that's no way to do it. Surely they'd want to experience minimal pain?

Sometimes people feel that they deserve the pain. :sad:

Yep. Every case is different so it's almost impossible to know what they're going through.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Its true :') people automatically think they have the right to judge people because of it, and that ****ing annoying me. x

Preach!

well its not even like that they judge, its just like that they think they know anything about it, when really, if they havent been in that place themselves, they know nothing :L

[Lee.]

this thread is well upsetting. i want to hug everyone here :hug:

This :(

[Jack_]

I've thought about how life is pretty much pointless before, which, when you think about it...it is, but there is no way I would ever end my life. Ever. You're only here once, and yes there are some sh!t things, but not all things are. Thankfully I'd say my life at the moment is actually amazing.

Reading some of the replies to this thread is :( too. :hug:

EDIT: One of the main reasons I couldn't end my life is because of the people I'd be leaving behind, the thought of it kills me. Just like how it'd kill me the other way round too...

[Twilight]

This :(

:hug:

[Boothy]

Sometimes people feel that they deserve the pain. :sad:

Oh, fair enough :sad:

As I said, I've never felt like that so I don't understand what people are feeling at the time. Must be a lonely place though and hard to get through.

[Boothy]

I've thought about how life is pretty much pointless before, which, when you think about it...it is, but there is no way I would ever end my life. Ever. You're only here once, and yes there are some sh!t things, but not all things are. Thankfully I'd say my life at the moment is actually amazing.

Reading some of the replies to this thread is :( too. :hug:

Oh, I think this too.

[Lee.]

:hug:

:hug:

[InOne]

Sometimes these 'cries for help' as some people call them make things a lot worse. Family sometimes don't want to know, you lose friends, stuff like that. Often makes people loads more icolated

[Patrick]

Nah, never. Can't imagine anything happening in life that would make me want to kill myself either.

If I was to, for whatever reason, I'd make sure I died though. Like, I'd jump off a really tall building or hanging myself, something like that. Quick death, sure fire way to die. Couldn't be doing with cutting my wrists, putting myself through all that pain when the chances of dying at the end of it are pretty slim.

See, I completely disagree with ignorant people that say people who attempt suicide and stuff are attention seeking.

But slitting your wrist, alot of the time is done by people to try and come across as cool.

I know teenagers that walk about showing eachother their 'scars' on their wrists, trying to be all emo and sh*t.

You're right, if you're going to kill yourself you'd do it without wanting a slow death, these people that slit their wrists are pathetic and don't do it because they want to die, they do it because they want to look hard and emo to all their friends, because as you said the chances of dieing from it are very slim.

Hmm imo you can't really understand why people self harm unless you have actually done it :/

Well said.

[Patrick]

I've thought about how life is pretty much pointless before, which, when you think about it...it is, but there is no way I would ever end my life. Ever. You're only here once, and yes there are some sh!t things, but not all things are. Thankfully I'd say my life at the moment is actually amazing.

Reading some of the replies to this thread is :( too. :hug:

EDIT: One of the main reasons I couldn't end my life is because of the people I'd be leaving behind, the thought of it kills me. Just like how it'd kill me the other way round too...

Very true.

Yeah, this is a reason why I haven't tried hanging myself since my dad caught me the last time.

Because now I have like a little cousin who I kind of want to see grow up and stuff and It'd really break my heart after spending alot of time with him, if I died and he grew up and didn't even know me.

[Benjamin]

See, I completely disagree with ignorant people that say people who attempt suicide and stuff are attention seeking.

But slitting your wrist, alot of the time is done by people to try and come across as cool.

I know teenagers that walk about showing eachother their 'scars' on their wrists, trying to be all emo and sh*t.

You're right, if you're going to kill yourself you'd do it without wanting a slow death, these people that slit their wrists are pathetic and don't do it because they want to die, they do it because they want to look hard and emo to all their friends, because as you said the chances of dieing from it are very slim.



Well said.


Would just like to point out that is a generalisation there. Not all people that cut their wrists are seeking attention...

[Rob]

I can't imagine being in a situation where things are so bad that killing myself is the only solution, and i really hope that I never am.

In addition i can't stand people with the "suicide is selfish" opinions, suicide is a last resort for someone, things are obviously so bad for them that they really can't take it anymore, i can't see that it's a quick decision someone would come to, people must think about it for months. At the end of the day that person is in such a bad mental state that they just can't carry on, i honestly don't see how that is selfish myself.

[Patrick]

Sometimes people feel that they deserve the pain. :sad:

That's also very true actually come to think of it, like when they feel guilty.

Or, they actually like the pain.
I myself kind of enjoy pain, but I wouldn't like to see blood pouring out of my wrists as Stace said earlier.

[Stu]

Yes many times - when I was a complete dope. Unless your brain is wired different to everyone elses and you have some sort of genuine serotogenic depletion that gives you a very real, logical chance of not being able to feel happiness I have no idea why suicide should be a viable solution.

Life can always be made better if given time. If you are at the bottom you can only go up. Most suicides are by nature irrational acts often done under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Then you have a lot of people who simply need to straighten up and cop on. Young people for instance. Suicide should never even cross their minds, IMO. They should be out enjoying life. Fact is a lot of teens do self harm because they work themselves into a self induced frenzy and it goes with their 'scene' or 'image'.

[Twilight]

See, I completely disagree with ignorant people that say people who attempt suicide and stuff are attention seeking.

But slitting your wrist, alot of the time is done by people to try and come across as cool.

I know teenagers that walk about showing eachother their 'scars' on their wrists, trying to be all emo and sh*t.

You're right, if you're going to kill yourself you'd do it without wanting a slow death, these people that slit their wrists are pathetic and don't do it because they want to die, they do it because they want to look hard and emo to all their friends, because as you said the chances of dieing from it are very slim.



Well said.
Indeed, i ever understood why people actually self harm to look cool, it is not cool! I have scars, but i don't plan on letting anyone actually see them, and tbh i wish i could get rid of them, they aren't a fashion item.

[InOne]

It's silly that there is a stereotype that only 'Emo' or 'deep, depressed teens' self harm though. People from all walks of life do it.

[Rob]

Very true.

Yeah, this is a reason why I haven't tried hanging myself since my dad caught me the last time.

Because now I have like a little cousin who I kind of want to see grow up and stuff and It'd really break my heart after spending alot of time with him, if I died and he grew up and didn't even know me.

I'm sorry to hear that you have felt this way before Patrick, i do hope things are better for you now.

I know this is of no comparison, i'm not going to even try to say it is, but i've gone through periods of depression in my life, not to the point where i've thought about commiting suicide thankfully, but i have always found that time is the best healer, i tried buying things, doing things i wanted to do, but after the hype goes you're just back to stage one, but i found that over time things do get better, this of course isn't the case for everyone, hopefully it is for more than it isn't

[Rob]

It's silly that there is a stereotype that only 'Emo' or 'deep, depressed teens' self harm though. People from all walks of life do it.

To me "emo's" are very mis-understood, i used to be very against the whole idea of them and had a negative view, that was until about a year ago when my sister turned "emo". Although she may dress like one and dye her hair funny and hang around with some "weird looking" people, i find she is the same person, and her friends are very nice people to, their personalities are majorly different to how they were years ago as a resut. Emo's have got the seterotype of self harming, and unfortunately this is phase that my sister went through, however talking to her friends, some faint at the sight of blood, let alone cause harm to themselves.

[Jords]

Ive thought about it before for like, 5 mins then I realise Im over-reacting and remember all the good things that life offers. Id never do it, would be too scared.

I like Smithy's saying.

[Callum]

No, can't say I have. I'm grateful for life and although sometimes I do get annoyed with it, who doesn't? This thread is so sad to read, so many people have contemplated suicide and this forum makes up less than 1% of the UK's population. Can't imagine how many have in the UK as a whole :(

[Stu]

No, can't say I have. I'm grateful for life and although sometimes I do get annoyed with it, who doesn't? This thread is so sad to read, so many people have contemplated suicide and this forum makes up less than 1% of the UK's population. Can't imagine how many have in the UK as a whole :(
TiBB's a nutter magnet though. You may as well be offering free rubber ducks and boat rides around the severn in a floating caravan to attract the clientele we get.

[Lee.]

TiBB's a nutter magnet though. You may as well be offeting free rubber ducks and boat rides around the severn in a floating caravan to attract the clientele we get.

Blunt, but true

[Rob]

TiBB's a nutter magnet though. You may as well be offeting free rubber ducks and boat rides around the severn in a floating caravan to attract the clientele we get.

That's a very close minded and quite arrogant view, you can't really take a bite of anyones personality on here as you can only really interpret them as they post on, in real life you see so much more to a person...

[Benjamin]

I remember reading an article a few weeks back that found the statistic to be that 1 in 5 people in the UK had contemplated suicide at least once in their lives.

[Benjamin]

It's not the article I was referring to, but still interesting statistics to read:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article1829999.ece

[Stu]

That's a very close minded and quite arrogant view, you can't really take a bite of anyones personality on here as you can only really interpret them as they post on, in real life you see so much more to a person...
It was a joke. You know. Based on the lollycaust view that anyone who willingly submits themselves to a BB forum is a bit of a loony tune.

Still a bit of truth in it though. And not nessacerily in a bad way. I reckon a good 60-70% of the regulars are not the full monty. One even runs a weather site.

[Ninastar]

I remember reading an article a few weeks back that found the statistic to be that 1 in 5 people in the UK had contemplated suicide at least once in their lives.

i wouldnt be suprised if it was more tbh

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

TiBB's a nutter magnet though. You may as well be offeting free rubber ducks and boat rides around the severn in a floating caravan to attract the clientele we get.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Harry!]

My dad is/has depression currently and has once said to me that he was going to commit suicide by overdose (Not explaing why) but though is still suffering from depression he feels better now he has a job and is working again.

[Lee.]

It was a joke. You know. Based on the lollycaust view that anyone who willingly submits themselves to a BB forum is a bit of a loony tune.

Still a bit of truth in it though. And not nessacerily in a bad way. I reckon a good 60-70% of the regulars are not the full monty. One even runs a weather site.

I completely agree.. I have spoken on a one to one basis with quite a few people on here and I'm not calling them nutters, but almost every one has some sort of"issue"

It would be interesting to see just how many posters suffer from mental illness/depressed/bi-polar/self harmers/OCD/etc etc

[Patrick]

I completely agree.. I have spoken on a one to one basis with quite a few people on here and I'm not calling them nutters, but almost every one has some sort of"issue"

It would be interesting to see just how many posters suffer from mental illness/depressed/bi-polar/self harmers/OCD/etc etc

You could start a poll? That actually does sound quite interesting and not in the 'Let's poke fun' kind of way, because that'd be disgusting.

But yeah It would be quite interesting to see how many posters share the same sort of disability/mental illness etc

[Stu]

I completely agree.. I have spoken on a one to one basis with quite a few people on here and I'm not calling them nutters, but almost every one has some sort of"issue"

It would be interesting to see just how many posters suffer from mental illness/depressed/bi-polar/self harmers/OCD/etc etc
I don't really imply anything too serious in most of the forums case but it's certainly full of borderline narcissists going through adolescence to whom TiBB has become their main base of operation for establishing their 'personality'.

See : Meet The Members/Vanity Fair.

You could start a poll? That actually does sound quite interesting and not in the 'Let's poke fun' kind of way, because that'd be disgusting.

But yeah It would be quite interesting to see how many posters share the same sort of disability/mental illness etc
Sounds like a terrible idea. I don't think that many people have been genuinly diagnosed with mental disorders. Certainly not enough worth making a poll about. Think about this.

One depressing thread a night is enough I reckon.

[Lee.]

You could start a poll? That actually does sound quite interesting and not in the 'Let's poke fun' kind of way, because that'd be disgusting.

But yeah It would be quite interesting to see how many posters share the same sort of disability/mental illness etc

Hahah.. yeah. I'd get away with a poll asking people to tell me if they're mad or not! I'd be lynched for sure!!

[Twilight]

I completely agree.. I have spoken on a one to one basis with quite a few people on here and I'm not calling them nutters, but almost every one has some sort of"issue"

It would be interesting to see just how many posters suffer from mental illness/depressed/bi-polar/self harmers/OCD/etc etc

Well i self harm :/ and i know someone from here is bi-polar, not gonna say any names though.

[Stu]

The fact that you broadcast it is odd. If I self harmed for genuine reasons and didn't want my own friends to see my scars I wouldn't be telling strangers on the internet. But maybe that's just me.

[Angus]

There have been times in my life when I haven't wanted to go on, but I would never have killed myself and put my family and friends through such awful pain and guilt. I know that if someone I loved committed suicide I would never, ever get over it and it would probably cast a shadow over the rest of my life. Why would I want to inflict that sort of torture on anyone else?

[Twilight]

The fact that you broadcast it is odd. If I self harmed for genuine reasons and didn't want my own friends to see my scars I wouldn't be telling strangers on the internet. But maybe that's just me.

I guess for some people its different, i'm open about it online because i know i haven't actually got to meet any of the people that know online, if i thought for a second that you'd tell any of the people i actually know, i wouldn't say anything.

[Patrick]

I guess for some people its different, i'm open about it online because i know i haven't actually got to meet any of the people that know online, if i thought for a second that you'd tell any of the people i actually know, i wouldn't say anything.

Yeah, I'm alot like that on here too when saying stuff.

I'll never forget when I had to take about a week or so off school the first time when I threatened to do it, and some how my classmates found out and the minute I walked in kept asking me and actually some how had twisted it into me actually trying to kill myself [which I didn't do at that stage] and they came up with their own reason for it too :rolleyes:

Ever since then I realised people like that aren't worth talking to for help or anything because some how, when one of them find out everyone else knows and you become a laughing stock.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

There have been times in my life when I haven't wanted to go on, but I would never have killed myself and put my family and friends through such awful pain and guilt. I know that if someone I loved committed suicide I would never, ever get over it and it would probably cast a shadow over the rest of my life. Why would I want to inflict that sort of torture on anyone else?

Because at that time when you're the darkest place you have ever been when all you feel is despair, no self worth, no purpose, no way up, no escape you don't think about other people and their lives, you think about the pain you are going through and how not existing must surely be better than existing the way you are at that moment.
If you do think about your family and friends you're probably thinking they might cry for an hour then they'll get over, they'll get on with life. That's your state of mind at that darkest moment;you don't matter that much, there's no other way out. Matt Lucas ex boyfriend was an example of this " "Kevin McGee thinks death is much better than life." How about Alexander McQueen, all that money, successful business, loads of friends and all that mattered in those last moments was him, his demons in total darkness. I have come to this moment so many times :( what got me out of that like I mentioned before was the fact that my family but the fear of god in me that suicide equals=murder as our body is not our own and murder is a sin therefore eternal fire. I keep thinking about that scene in ghost when the dark ghosts come and take the friend and drag him away screaming lol, or one of Kanye west's video where a woman jumps off a cliff and as she's falling a large dark spirit comes out the water and expands their arms to catch her lol

I don't know what goes through the mind of people that self harm to be honest. Does the pain make you feel good for a bit? Do you feel you deserve pain?

[keithafc]

Nope. Would not be afraid too though because of my paranormal beliefs :)

[Zippy]

If you are gonna top yourself make sure you wipe all the porn off your hard drive first.

[Tom4784]

I could never consider it personally. It's a controversial view (and by no means a blanket statement) but I find the notion of it quite selfish, chances are you're leaving someone behind to deal with grief, confusion, guilt and any debt or problems that they'll inherit because of it. I couldn't do that to my loved ones. I agree with Euthanasia but with suicide there's always a chance things will get better, It's just a sad waste really.

[MTVN]

No never, although I've never had cause to do so, I've been lucky so far in life I think. I'm not sure if I ever could because I would always cling on to the hope that things could improve but I guess I can't relate to the situations that people who do commit suicide have been in.

[lostalex]

I;ve never tried to commit suicide really wanting to die. But i have done a lot of drugs and didn't really care if i died or not. So i guess that's kinda like attempted suicide.

But not really. If i really wanted to die, i'd just jump off of something i think.

There's a really good documentary i saw called "The Bridge" which is all about the suicides from the Golden Gate Bridge, which is the suicide capital of the world.

[Niamh.]

I;ve never tried to commit suicide really wanting to die. But i have done a lot of drugs and didn't really care if i died or not. So i guess that's kinda like attempted suicide.

But not really. If i really wanted to die, i'd just jump off of something i think.

There's a really good documentary i saw called "The Bridge" which is all about the suicides from the Golden Gate Bridge, which is the suicide capital of the world.

actually India is the suicide capital of the world.

[Stephanie]

The Golden Gate Bridge is the most popular place to commit suicide in the entire world.[43] The deck is approximately 245 feet (75 m) above the water.[44] After a fall of approximately four seconds, jumpers hit the water at some 76 miles per hour (122 km/h). At such a speed water has been determined to take on properties similar to concrete.[citation needed] Because of this, most jumpers die on their immediate contact with the water. The few who survive the initial impact generally drown or die of hypothermia in the cold water.

[Niamh.]

The Golden Gate Bridge is the most popular place to commit suicide in the entire world.[43] The deck is approximately 245 feet (75 m) above the water.[44] After a fall of approximately four seconds, jumpers hit the water at some 76 miles per hour (122 km/h). At such a speed water has been determined to take on properties similar to concrete.[citation needed] Because of this, most jumpers die on their immediate contact with the water. The few who survive the initial impact generally drown or die of hypothermia in the cold water.

http://updatedfrequently.com/india-the-suicide-capital-of-the-world

[lostalex]

Stop arguing, i meant the most popular SPOT in the world, not the most popular COUNTRY.

[Niamh.]

Stop arguing, i meant the most popular SPOT in the world, not the most popular COUNTRY.

:joker: I know you did, sorry but I couldn't resist!

[MTVN]

http://updatedfrequently.com/india-the-suicide-capital-of-the-world

But isnt that just talking in terms of countries, not in terms of specific places

Edit - already been mentioned

[lostalex]

It is a really interesting documentary though, you should watch it. Very heartbreaking. They actually set up cameras around the bridge for an entire year and filmed every suicide.

[Lee.]

It is a really interesting documentary though, you should watch it. Very heartbreaking. They actually set up cameras around the bridge for an entire year and filmed every suicide.

I couldn't watch that.

[lostalex]

I couldn't watch that.

It's very difficult to watch. They track down the families of each one, and interview them, and reveal the life circumstances for each of the suicides they filmed. It's very difficult hearing the families.

Suicide is a very selfish act for sure.

[Stephanie]

i might watch it, it does sound interesting.

[Niamh.]

It's very difficult to watch. They track down the families of each one, and interview them, and reveal the life circumstances for each of the suicides they filmed. It's very difficult hearing the families.

Suicide is a very selfish act for sure.

It's very easy to say that if you don't suffer from depression or a mental illness

[lostalex]

It's very easy to say that if you don't suffer from depression or a mental illness

I do suffer from depression, i'm a diagnosed manic-depressive, and it was still very easy for me to say that.

How is suicide not selfish? If you are going to disagree, at least explain yourself, don't just presume that only people without mental illness would say that, explain yourself.

Alleviating your own pain, by inflicting massive pain on others (especially your own family and loved ones) is selfish by my estimation.

[Zippy]

I couldn't watch that.

ooh I could

*goes off to ghoulishly find a download*

[Stephanie]

*has it downloading right now*

[Lee.]

It's very difficult to watch. They track down the families of each one, and interview them, and reveal the life circumstances for each of the suicides they filmed. It's very difficult hearing the families.

Suicide is a very selfish act for sure.

I'mnot going to go down the "it's selfish" path as I understand that people's minds must be beyond being able to see it as that to make them willingly put people through that.

A friend of mine comitted suicide just a few months ago.. He had just graduated from University, had a beautiful wife, a gorgeous 3 year old son plus his inlaws who were South African had just sold off alot of land or summat and had basically told them that they would clear any outstanding debt they should have and told them to go and choose themselves a house up to the value of 150k.. He basically had everything going for him, but for reasons nobody will ever know, he went into the woods one day and hung himself.. :(
The funeral was probably the most heartbreaking one I've been to.. I've known the parents since I was about 8 and they were so broken looking, they were barely recogniseable..
I just thought whilst there that not only are they going to have to live with the pain of losing a child, but also of thinking that their son was in such a bad place and couldn't even go to his own mum.. That would break my heart.
And I know none of this stuff is as simple as it seems and there is stuff that I don't suppose all of us understand, but I would still be devastated to think that my own son would take his own life rather than reach out to me for help :(

[Zippy]

*has it downloading right now*

bitch, I wanna see the suicides first!

[Stephanie]

bitch, I wanna see the suicides first!
well if you download it you'll probably see it first, seeing as my internet is super slow :L

[lostalex]

Just because it's selfish, doesn't mean i'm denigrating their bravery.

I also believe that suicide is incredibly brave. It takes a a lot of courage. And it's very selfish.

It's like a person running into a burning building to retrieve a winning lottery ticket.

Is it brave? yes. Is it selfish? yes.

[Niamh.]

I do suffer from depression, i'm a diagnosed manic-depressive, and it was still very easy for me to say that.

How is suicide not selfish? If you are going to disagree, at least explain yourself, don't just presume that only people without mental illness would say that, explain yourself.

Alleviating your own pain, by inflicting massive pain on others (especially your own family and loved ones) is selfish by my estimation.

Well, maybe the person thinks that it's equally as selfish to carry on living and put their parents/partner through a life of dealing with a depressed person.

[lostalex]

Well, maybe the person thinks that it's equally as selfish to carry on living and put their parents/partner through a life of dealing with a depressed person.

Well when you hear the interviews with family, i promise you, not one of the family/friends felt any kind of relief. So the idea that it's "doing them a favour" is really ridiculous, imo.

[Stephanie]

the only reason i haven't committed suicide is because thinking about my family and stuff being upset that i died and all that and putting them through that, makes me feel worse than i currently do being depressed. i think it's kind of selfish.

[Niamh.]

Well when you hear the interviews with family, i promise you, not one of the family/friends felt any kind of relief. So the idea that it's "doing them a favour" is really ridiculous, imo.

I don't think that the families believe that a favour was done for them, in fact I know that's not the case. My point is that the person doesn't always do it from a selfish place.

My best friend when I was younger committed suicide, it was the worst thing I've had to deal with so far in my life, she left me a note and tried to explain why she had done it, and I kind of understood and was glad she did. She was not a selfish person.

[Zippy]

I find the idea of blame pretty absurd when it comes to suicidal tendencies. I think youre kinda missing the whole point. Nobody commits suicide to hurt others. They do so because theyve reached a point of no hope. Or theyre just not in a fit state mentally.

Everybody has the right to own their own destiny. We're all selfish creatures ultimately.

[lostalex]

My best friend when I was younger committed suicide, it was the worst thing I've had to deal with so far in my life, she left me a note and tried to explain why she had done it, and I kind of understood and was glad she did. She was not a selfish person.


I'm sorry, did you just say you are glad she committed suicide?


WTF.

[Stephanie]

was glad she did.
wut.

[lostalex]

Everybody has the right to own their own destiny. We're all selfish creatures ultimately.

I'm not selfish. I'm incredibly generous.

[Niamh.]

I'm sorry, did you just say you are glad she committed suicide?


WTF.

No:shocked: glad she left me the letter

[lostalex]

No:shocked: glad she left me the letter

oh sorry, read that wrong. That would be really ****ed up.

[Zippy]

I'm not selfish. I'm incredibly generous.

Try missionary work in Africa or India then. If you're so selfless.

[Vicky.]

A few times. Never anything serious came of it though.

[Lee.]

Try missionary work in Africa or India then. If you're so selfless.

:nono:

He doesn't like flying

[Zippy]

:nono:

He doesn't like flying

well thats very selfish of him to put his own fears before the poor starving pot bellied babies.

[lostalex]

Try missionary work in Africa or India then. If you're so selfless.

Who are you to judge?? Britney, you have like millions of dollars and you spend it all on Crack, so $tFv.

[Angus]

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

[Niamh.]

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

Well, my friend did get help but it obviously wasn't enough. She was also only 18 and probably wasn't as capable of thinking about the repercussions as maybe you were. I don't think it's fair to lump everyone who's committed suicide into a box and label them all as selfish.

[lostalex]

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

Perfect Post. I agree in every way possible.

[lostalex]

Well, my friend did get help but it obviously wasn't enough. She was also only 18 and probably wasn't as capable of thinking about the repercussions as maybe you were. I don't think it's fair to lump everyone who's committed suicide into a box and label them all as selfish.

just because she was selfish, doesn't mean she was a bad person.

Obviously you knew her, and loved her, and you knew that she was an awesome person.

But just because you liked her, doesn't mean what she did wasn't selfish.


and just because someone is selfish doesn't mean that they are a bad person.

We miss everyone. We wish everyone was alive forever.

[Zippy]

Suicide is an introverted, completely self-involved, ultimately totally selfish act, no matter how you dress it up. Those on here who have attempted suicide, whether genuinely or for attention, are more than aware there is lots of help out there if they really want it. Yes, I have been diagnosed in the past with clinical depression and I have been in those dark places where there seems to be no hope, and no future, but knowing how much I would hurt those I love, or thinking about those I would leave who need me and depend on me emotionally, financially, or whatever, I would never go through with killing myself. I found that I loved others more than I hated myself and that's what stopped me from doing something that others would regret all THEIR lives.

Judgemental toss.

Because it's not enough that theyve reached the point of absolute despair and hopelessness...they now also have people like you wagging the finger of blame at them?

Oh great. That really helps.

[lostalex]

Judgemental toss.

Because it's not enough that theyve reached the point of absolute despair and hopelessness...they now also have people like you wagging the finger of blame at them?

Oh great. That really helps.


helps who then??
they're ******ing dead, you're defending someone who is worm food. WTF. MAybe instead of having compassion for a rotting CORPSE, you should try having compassion for people that are actually alive, And actually EXIST. The family and friends that are left behind to feel like $h*t.

[Zippy]

helps who then??
they're ******ing dead, you're defending someone who is worm food. WTF. MAybe instead of having compassion for a rotting CORPSE, you should try having compassion for people that are actually alive, And actually EXIST.

and blaming them helps who?

following your logic all opions on their suicide is pointless because THEYRE DEAD.
There are people contemplating suicide who don't need to be told how selfish theyre being. It's also selfish to expect somebody to carry on living in absolute anguish and misery.

See, we can all throw the word selfish around.

[Niamh.]

and blaming them helps who?

following your logic all opions on their suicide is pointless because THEYRE DEAD.
There are people contemplating suicide who don't need to be told how selfish theyre being. It's also selfish to expect somebody to carry on living in absolute anguish and misery.

See, we can all throw the word selfish around.

great point Zippy.

[lostalex]

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

[lostalex]

I don't agree with yall.

Don't kill yourself.

I stand by that.

[Niamh.]

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

yeah........that's what he's saying:rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

Is it ok for people who dont get on with their family or have no friends to kill themselves then?

:laugh:

[MTVN]

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

I love the way you make out as though he is the one presenting an illogical and ridiculous viewpoint

[lostalex]

yur a selfish ***** if you kill yourself. If you feel bad abnout yurself, if you don't feel good enuf for yourself. Then youj kill yourself, and place that burden on all your family and all your friends.

All yur family, yur mom and dad, for the rest of their lives, will now feel that bureden, they will feel like "well maybe i could have saved him/her, it's my fault he/she is dead"

How Fv*king DARE you put that on yur family. HOW FV*KING DARE YOU.


Shame on any who commits suicide. ShaME A MILLION TIMES.

If any of my family memebrrs ever committed suicide, i search Hell faR and wide to kick their ASS. SElfish *****s. If my brother killed himself tomorrow, i'd never forgive him.

It's not fair, and it's not right. There is no excuse to be made for it.

[Zippy]

So basically yur arguing FOR the idea that If you feel like a Burden, you are justified in killing yourself.


Seriously? No, but... really? yur honestly saying that? REALLY?

WTF

:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

dunno where you've plucked that nugget from but...whatever, Mary.

My view is that if somebody really REALLY wants to get the fuk outta here then they should be able to get the fuk outta here. And everybody else should just respect the fact that they wanted to get the fuk outta here.

[Lee.]

I have to say that although I realise this isn't a black/white argument and there must be a LARGE grey area, I have to admit I'm more with Angus and Alex on this one.

The person who commits suicide is away from all their pain and troubles, whereas their family and friends will have to start facing a lifetime of them.

[Lee.]

:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

dunno where you've plucked that nugget from but...whatever, Mary.

My view is that if somebody really REALLY wants to get the fuk outta here then they should be able to get the fuk outta here. And everybody else should just respect the fact that they wanted to get the fuk outta here.



I could maybe accept it, but not respect the fact

[Vicky.]

Personally I also think its selfish to expect people to put up with deep depression...so much so that they would be willing to end their own life, possibly very painfully, no views of anything getting better or anything like that.

But thats just me.

[Niamh.]

Personally I also think its selfish to expect people to put up with deep depression...so much so that they would be willing to end their own life, possibly very painfully, no views of anything getting better or anything like that.

But thats just me.

yeah, and this what I meant by I understood why my friend did what she did. It didn't make it any less painful for me or even more so her family but I atleast hope that she now has found the peace she couldn't in life.

[lostalex]

I have to say that although I realise this isn't a black/white argument and there must be a LARGE grey area, I have to admit I'm more with Angus and Alex on this one.

The person who commits suicide is away from all their pain and troubles, whereas their family and friends will have to start facing a lifetime of them.


who is Angus?

[Lee.]

There are other ways to get on top of depression.. I actually find it quite selfish of somebody to wallow in it rather than get help. There is a lot of help available for mental illness and people need to be made aware that there are so many options to try before suicide!

[Zippy]

I could maybe accept it, but not respect the fact

no, you should respect it. Thats if you respect them and the fact that its THEIR LIFE. Not your life, their life. If theyve had enough then they have every right to end it all.

be happy theyre at peace finally.

[Lee.]

who is Angus?

Angu58, who commented back there ^^ a bit

[Niamh.]

There are other ways to get on top of depression.. I actually find it quite selfish of somebody to wallow in it rather than get help. There is a lot of help available for mental illness and people need to be made aware that there are so many options to try before suicide!

my friend did get help though, it just didn't help her enough :/ I do often think though would she have grown out of it as she was still only a teenager when she did it.

[Vicky.]

my friend did get help though, it just didn't help her enough :/ I do often think though would she have grown out of it as she was still only a teenager when she did it.

I dont think this so called 'professional help' is enough for some people either.

I had to see a counceller once, and they actually made me worse. That was back in my really dark days.

I do think, as horrible as it sounds, that there is a kinda 'point of no return' with depression :/

[Lee.]

no, you should respect it. Thats if you respect them and the fact that its THEIR LIFE. Not your life, their life. If theyve had enough then they have every right to end it all.

be happy theyre at peace finally.

I respect your opinion, so respect mine please..

Even thinking about what it would do to my family,my children, my mum if I were to do away with myself hurts.. I know it is something they would never ever get over for the rest of their lives and the thought of my kids growing up motherless is just heartbreaking..

I don't think any of my family would feel happiness at my peace if I were to commit suicide. I think they would feel the natural emotions you feel towards a suicide; anger/confusion/guilt and then a lifetime of grief.

I personally wouldn't think that would be fair to do that to them.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand about depression,but there are ways of coping with depression which a lot of people can't find the motivation to do..

[Niamh.]

I dont think this so called 'professional help' is enough for some people either.

I had to see a counceller once, and they actually made me worse. That was back in my really dark days.

I do think, as horrible as it sounds, that there is a kinda 'point of no return' with depression :/

yeah, the one line in her letter that got to me was "I'm never going to be the happy person I was in primary school" I don't know whether or not that was actually true but she definitely believed it was, that's for sure.

[Lee.]

my friend did get help though, it just didn't help her enough :/ I do often think though would she have grown out of it as she was still only a teenager when she did it.

Yeah it's very frustrating when somebody commits suicide.. there are so many "what ifs?"

and yeah, I suppose getting help won't help everybody, but there are a lot of people who try and cope with depression on their own and in their own ways without realising that treatment and talking may actually help.. I suppose a lot feel that nothing can help.

Ach, I don't know, it's all just sad!

[Niamh.]

Yeah it's very frustrating when somebody commits suicide.. there are so many "what ifs?"

and yeah, I suppose getting help won't help everybody, but there are a lot of people who try and cope with depression on their own and in their own ways without realising that treatment and talking may actually help.. I suppose a lot feel that nothing can help.

Ach, I don't know, it's all just sad!

she was in a group though, she went every week and had numbers she was supposed to call if she was feeling particularly bad

[Zippy]

Nobody knows what demons others have to live with in their heads.

I just don't see the need for blame or judgement. You will never know their pain.

[Niamh.]

Nobody knows what demons others have to live with in their heads.

I just don't see the need for blame or judgement. You will never know their pain.

exactly.

[InOne]

Nobody knows what demons others have to live with in their heads.

I just don't see the need for blame or judgement. You will never know their pain.

Exactly, I hate these "pull up your socks" type people.

[Lee.]

Nobody knows what demons others have to live with in their heads.

I just don't see the need for blame or judgement. You will never know their pain.

I'm not blaming or judging..I just know that if any of my closest killed themselves I would be left with a lifetime of pain to cope with.. I would then know pain!

It's a difficult subject, but I know one thing for sure, I could never destroy my family in that way.. I'm not condemning those that do, as we are all different and the mind is a beautiful but very complicated, complex thing which most of us can't even begin to understand..

[Lee.]

Exactly, I hate these "pull up your socks" type people.

I don't think anyone has mentioned pulling up ones socks on this thread. I know depression isn't something people can shake off and just get on with things in a normal manner..

[Niamh.]

I'm not blaming or judging..I just know that if any of my closest killed themselves I would be left with a lifetime of pain to cope with.. I would then know pain!

It's a difficult subject, but I know one thing for sure, I could never destroy my family in that way.. I'm not condemning those that do, as we are all different and the mind is a beautiful but very complicated, complex thing which most of us can't even begin to understand..

I also think the fact that you have 2 young children makes a difference, you couldn't imagine leaving them motherless, I understand that, I would be the same but my friend had no children.

[Lee.]

I also think the fact that you have 2 young children makes a difference, you couldn't imagine leaving them motherless, I understand that, I would be the same but my friend had no children.

Yeah.. that has a lot to do with my feelings probably.I can't stand to think of it actually.
But I'm very close to my mum too and can't bear the thought of her grieving over me and wondering why I would choose not to be in her life any more..
My friend died of cancer when we were 21 and I remember praying that I would outlive my mum so she would never have to face the devastation of losing a child and becoming the broken woman my friends mum turned into :(

[Niamh.]

Yeah.. that has a lot to do with my feelings probably.I can't stand to think of it actually.
But I'm very close to my mum too and can't bear the thought of her grieving over me and wondering why I would choose not to be in her life any more..
My friend died of cancer when we were 21 and I remember praying that I would outlive my mum so she would never have to face the devastation of losing a child and becoming the broken woman my friends mum turned into :(

well, the whole issue, like you said is very grey, everyone is in a different situation, with a different mind and different problems. I just think it's wrong to label every person that does this as selfish.

[Lee.]

well, the whole issue, like you said is very grey, everyone is in a different situation, with a different mind and different problems. I just think it's wrong to label every person that does this as selfish.

Yeah.. I do agree with you. Every situation is individual and very personal I suppose. It wouldn't be a great world is we were all the same would it?

I suppose depression is kind of like drug/alcohol dependence; There is help available,not everybody seeks help, some do, some see the light at the end of the tunnel, some get there, some don't. :)

[Angus]

Judgemental toss.

Because it's not enough that theyve reached the point of absolute despair and hopelessness...they now also have people like you wagging the finger of blame at them?

Oh great. That really helps.

What a load of arrogant bollocks! I'm not wagging my finger at anyone - BUT I am entitled to my opinion that suicide is the ultimate act of SELFishness, do you not get that? It's that single moment when the person is thinking ONLY of THEMSELVES for whatever reason, with no thought of how their actions will destroy their loved ones' lives forever.

The current culture of saying "there, there" to everyone who has a hard time, instead of educating them with the tools and strategies they need to face life's challenges and overcome them, is the very reason that suicide is on the rise. Society generally has become more selfish and "me" orientated. Responsibility for oneself has been undermined by the State and it's always someone else's fault when things go wrong.

Whatever life you have, that is the hand you've been dealt, so you have to deal with it the best you can - and let's face it there IS plenty of help available these days if you can't make it alone. Depression is well recognised nowadays and it is no longer a stigma to have mental health issues, so there's really no need to suffer in silence.

[InOne]

What a load of arrogant bollocks! I'm not wagging my finger at anyone - BUT I am entitled to my opinion that suicide is the ultimate act of SELFishness, do you not get that? It's that single moment when the person is thinking ONLY of THEMSELVES for whatever reason, with no thought of how their actions will destroy their loved ones' lives forever.

The current culture of saying "there, there" to everyone who has a hard time, instead of educating them with the tools and strategies they need to face life's challenges and overcome them, is the very reason that suicide is on the rise. Society generally has become more selfish and "me" orientated. Responsibility for oneself has been undermined by the State and it's always someone else's fault when things go wrong.

Whatever life you have, that is the hand you've been dealt, so you have to deal with it the best you can - and let's face it there IS plenty of help available these days if you can't make it alone. Depression is well recognised nowadays and it is no longer a stigma to have mental health issues, so there's really no need to suffer in silence.

Oh really? I'm pretty sure it is. God knows where you got that from.

[Patrick]

Just been reading back on the few pages, the people that say Suicide is a selfish act are really quite pathetic.

It's selfish to ask people to live through depression and heartache just so they can please others, and chances are really if you're going to commit suicide, it's because these people that are meant to 'love' you so much, couldn't give a ****** about you or don't show it.

[Angus]

Oh really? I'm pretty sure it is. God knows where you got that from.

Oh really, well maybe that's just you who considers it a stigma, or other narrow minded, intellectually inept people who don't realise that mental illness is a fact of life for many people, and getting the right treatment is as crucial as getting the right treatment for a physical illness. So God knows why you would think it is still a stigma in this day and age:bored: Such an ignorant view doesn't cut it these days.

Why would anyone want to remain in a state of deep depression when there are treatments that can help you cope with your feelings of hopelessness and misery. I have no problem admitting that I have been clinically depressed and even had suicidal thoughts at my lowest ebb, and I have recognised that I needed intervention and got help to cope. I have mastered strategies to cope now, and uppermost is always the knowledge that depression is an inward illness that damages the very essence of self. You know what they say, what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.

[InOne]

Oh really, well maybe that's just you who considers it a stigma, or other narrow minded, intellectually inept people who don't realise that mental illness is a fact of life for many people, and getting the right treatment is as crucial as getting the right treatment for a physical illness. So God knows why you would think it is still a stigma in this day and age:bored: Such an ignorant view doesn't cut it these days.

Why would anyone want to remain in a state of deep depression when there are treatments that can help you cope with your feelings of hopelessness and misery. I have no problem admitting that I have been clinically depressed and even had suicidal thoughts at my lowest ebb, and I have recognised that I needed intervention and got help to cope. I have mastered strategies to cope now, and uppermost is always the knowledge that depression is an inward illness that damages the very essence of self. You know what they say, what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.

To be fair, you're pretty narrow minded to say stigma doesn't exist. And you make getting help sound as easy as going for a check up. You really have some pretty warped and stiff views.
Have you taken into account that some families don't want to know if they find out you're mentally ill? It's not all lovey dovey and support. Families deal with it in all sorts of different ways and sometimes it's to push the 'bad seed' so to say, away. Which pushes people closer to the point of no return. I've seen your type before, the over bearing know it all type who thinks everything can be solved by just doing. You also presume loads, hope nobody has ever taken your 'advice'.

[Pyramid*]

I've waited to see how this thread was going before putting up this post - this might throw some perspective on 'both sides of the argument' (in respect of selfish or brave act etc).

My father took his own life some years ago. I don't want to go into the reasons why, but suffice to say, the reasons for him doing so were that he saw no other way out - but in making his choice, what happened simply was that the matters that he had created, had caused, would not go away, and ultimately - as an only child, it was me alone who had to endure almost 2 years of 'clearing up what had been left behind'.

Seven years on, I still fleet between a range of emotions. Guilt that he felt he couldn't tell people before making his choice. Distraught at the sheer hell he must have gone through psychologically that he felt that was his only option. Anger at being left to deal with what he couldn't - but expected me (and I say me, which will become clear) to deal with instead. Sadness, hurt, frustration, bewilderment. It completely changed me, certainly in the first 2 years and ultimately has had a lasting effect - and not for the good.

My father chose to download instructions on how to disable the C.A.T. in his car, then meticulously left 7 folders/files, detailing all of the problems, all the paperwork, documentation etc - with instructions left for me on who to contact for which respective 'matter'. thoughtful some would say? I didn't say that - I felt incredibly angry and bitter. I also felt distressed that this was being carefully planned in an attempt to 'make it easier' for me in it's own warped way. Once he had attended to that, he considered the best place to be was the garage at the family home - and that is where he died through carbon monoxide poisoing. In a place where he kne it would be me that found him.

It completely tore the family (by that I mean aunt/uncles etc).

The final 'kick in the stomach' for me (yes, I know some wil say I am being self absorbed here), but a letter was left for my mother - apologising. To my mother only (who had severe mental issues and eventually was sectioned). No letter left for me - the only child - who he knew would be the one left to deal with the aftermath. Hurt? Doesn't begin to describe it. Selfish on my part - absolutely, but hurt was uppermost.

My father's suicide drove me far too close to following on in the same way - and the only thing that stopped me was knowing what it feels like for the people like me. I could not put that devastation (and I don't use that word lightly) that it causes, onto anyone I ever cared about. It has resonating effects that simply will never go away.

To anyone on this thread who has these suicidal feeling wash over them - or feels the desire to attempt - you have no idea how much it destroys those who are left. Nothing I can ever put down in writing can articulate enough the damage caused to those left behind. I certainly cannot tell anyone not to consider suicide, but what I can tell you is: whatever you are feeling that may make you want to consider it, should you be successful - those you leave behind will carry the feeling you had, multiplied by 100 - for the rest of their lives. I don't think anyone's loved ones deserve that.

[lostalex]

^^ i believe him.

To all those who glorify or try to justify suicide in any way shape or form. It is a selfish, hurtful act that only puts exponential pain on those that have ever cared for you.

I would never call suicide "cowardly" as some would, but it is ABSOLUTELY selfish.

Very sorry for your loss Pyramid.

[Angus]

Aw Pyramid, I can only imagine the hurt and loss you must still feel:hug:, and I hope that everyone on here, on reading your tragic story, will understand the utter devastation it would cause their loved ones.

[Zippy]

To all those who glorify or try to justify suicide in any way shape or form. It is a selfish, hurtful act that only puts exponential pain on those that have ever cared for you.



Oh FFS quit talking about it like its a criminal act. And quit making stupid irrelevent remarks...nobody has glorified it on this thread.

and get over the whole selfish thing. Nobody is selfless.

Plus, if you really insist on blasting suicidal people as if they are committing an atrocious act...

consider them well and truly punished when they inflict the death penalty on themselves. Or is that not enough punishment?

[Benjamin]

^^ i believe him.

To all those who glorify or try to justify suicide in any way shape or form. It is a selfish, hurtful act that only puts exponential pain on those that have ever cared for you.

I would never call suicide "cowardly" as some would, but it is ABSOLUTELY selfish.

Very sorry for your loss Pyramid.

Nobody has tried to glorify suicide. We are just suggesting that we do not know what a person who commits suicide is feeling, sometimes when trapped, they may see no other alternative to escape and feel that their friends/family are better off without them, obviously that is not the case, but that is how they feel. Linked to serious mental health issues also majority of the time, their brain may see things in a very different light to ours.

[Shaun]

Depressed? How depressed were you? A little hacked off with life being unfair, or feeling that everything good in life had been removed from you and there was no chance of it ever being returned? So depressed you lose all interest in art music and all that you consider good in life?

How about being so depressed you just wanted to lie in bed and stay there till you died?

Ever gone to sleep and seen dead bodies, decayed corpses even when you wake in sweat the bodies are still there. Seen friends die over and over again in dreams that just keep coming back and feel you should have died either with them or in their place?

Its a funny thing the mind, it can cope with some heavy duty emotional trauma and bounce right back and then sometimes small upsets can cause it to spiral down into a deep abyss where self loathing is about all its capable of.

Well thanks for comparing the death of my brother + father within 4 months of each other to "a little unfair". It's pretty narrowminded to belittle me just because I don't live in a ****ing mortuary or whatever unique Hell it is you're describing.

[Niamh.]

^^ i believe him.

To all those who glorify or try to justify suicide in any way shape or form. It is a selfish, hurtful act that only puts exponential pain on those that have ever cared for you.

I would never call suicide "cowardly" as some would, but it is ABSOLUTELY selfish.

Very sorry for your loss Pyramid.

excuse me but not one person in this thread tried to "glorify" suicide.

[Angus]

To be fair, you're pretty narrow minded to say stigma doesn't exist. And you make getting help sound as easy as going for a check up. You really have some pretty warped and stiff views.
Have you taken into account that some families don't want to know if they find out you're mentally ill? It's not all lovey dovey and support. Families deal with it in all sorts of different ways and sometimes it's to push the 'bad seed' so to say, away. Which pushes people closer to the point of no return. I've seen your type before, the over bearing know it all type who thinks everything can be solved by just doing. You also presume loads, hope nobody has ever taken your 'advice'.

To be fair, you are still a very young man who has had very little experience of life, so you are not really equipped to comment on where I'm coming from on this issue, so I'll have to make allowances for your naivety. You have deliberately misinterpreted what I have said but then that is your usual modus operandi on this forum in order to try and score points - I sussed you out a long time ago:wink:

It's hypocritical to accuse me of being narrow minded when you have clearly already stereotyped me and "presume" to know me. I have offered no advice whatsoever on this thread or any other to anyone, just given my opinion which doesn't happen to jive with yours -(oh dear, what a shame, never mind) - so get over yourself FFS.

I really don't give a toss about your ill-formed views, most of which are based on what you have read or been told by others, rather than what you have actually lived and experienced yourself:rolleyes: Unfortunately, that is the curse of youth so go patronise someone who gives a sh*t about your views:pat:

[InOne]

To be fair, you are still a very young man who has had very little experience of life, so you are not really equipped to comment on where I'm coming from on this issue, so I'll have to make allowances for your naivety. You have deliberately misinterpreted what I have said but then that is your usual modus operandi on this forum in order to try and score points - I sussed you out a long time ago:wink:

It's hypocritical to accuse me of being narrow minded when you have clearly already stereotyped me and "presume" to know me. I have offered no advice whatsoever on this thread or any other to anyone, just given my opinion which doesn't happen to jive with yours -(oh dear, what a shame, never mind) - so get over yourself FFS.

I really don't give a toss about your ill-formed views, most of which are based on what you have read or been told by others, rather than what you have actually lived and experienced yourself:rolleyes: Unfortunately, that is the curse of youth so go patronise someone who gives a sh*t about your views:pat:

I think you love yourself a bit too much sweetie. There is nothing 'suss' with me, I tell it how it is lol You seemed to dodge every point I made with total bullshit. You were wrong and got called up on it, so you make a long winding post that amounts to pretty much nothing.

It's good to take people down a peg or two. :)

[Angus]

Nobody has tried to glorify suicide. We are just suggesting that we do not know what a person who commits suicide is feeling, sometimes when trapped, they may see no other alternative to escape and feel that their friends/family are better off without them, obviously that is not the case, but that is how they feel. Linked to serious mental health issues also majority of the time, their brain may see things in a very different light to ours.


I understand what you're saying, but feeling suicidal is usually the end result of a period of deep depression, grief or some traumatic event - it is not the beginning point. I am simply saying that there is help out there if you seek it out and prompt intervention can often help, whether it be medication, counselling or both. Your first step is your GP, and you have to be totally honest about how you are feeling. Depression is well recognised now, as are behaviour signposts of serious mental health issues, and there are medications available to help you cope which, along with counselling, can be a lifesaver in every sense of the word.

[Vicky.]

Medication and counselling dont work for everyone though. I know from experience.

Counselling made me worse, and medication sent me totally nutty D:

Its all well and good saying everyone who is depressed should seek help,. but the 'help' does not necessarily help.

[InOne]

Angus you're too old and out of touch. You might have 'life experience', but we're talking about the here and now.

[Zippy]

Angus you're too old and out of touch...

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/MargaretCho.jpg

[Angus]

Medication and counselling dont work for everyone though. I know from experience.

Counselling made me worse, and medication sent me totally nutty D:

Its all well and good saying everyone who is depressed should seek help,. but the 'help' does not necessarily help.


Straightforward depression is one thing, but if it accompanies an underlying mental health issue(s) that's another - even more imperative to get yourself checked out.

I have to admit the medication I was put on was totally impractical for me as it made me fairly out of it and I couldn't afford to be, having to work and look after two small children at the time without any support, but the counselling helped inasmuch it allowed me to vocalise a lot of stuff I had kept hidden for so long and confront various issues. I also followed various strategies based on diversionary tactics, but I'm certainly not suggesting that what worked for me would work for everyone, people may need different interventions and it may be trial and error to find the best ones.

[Angus]

InOne - you're too young and haven't even got "in touch" yet. Till you do, stop patronising old ladies.

[Vicky.]

Straightforward depression is one thing, but if it accompanies an underlying mental health issue(s) that's another - even more imperative to get yourself checked out.

I have to admit the medication I was put on was totally impractical for me as it made me fairly out of it and I couldn't afford to be, having to work and look after two small children at the time without any support, but the counselling helped inasmuch it allowed me to vocalise a lot of stuff I had kept hidden for so long and confront various issues. I also followed various strategies based on diversionary tactics, but I'm certainly not suggesting that what worked for me would work for everyone, people may need different interventions and it may be trial and error to find the best ones.

I was one of the weird ones who eventually just snapped out of it, with no help as such.

They had me on citalopram to start with, and it made me really really bad. I was lashing out at everyone, the moodswings were awful and I still to this day say it made me worse.

Counselling, they made me remember things from my youth, and talk about it when I didnt WANT to talk about it, and brought back loads of terrible memories, which again, made me worse.

I guess though, if you are feeling suicidal and tell the doctors that, they could section you...but again, I dont think this does much good if your mind is set.

The docs are still trying to force pills down my neck now, despite me being ok. I have a stash of fluoxetine downstairs, that I have been saving for months as they are basically pressuring me to get them. I refuse to take them when I dont need them, but they wont listen :rolleyes:

[InOne]

I have more than you probably, you're very closed minded.

[Zippy]

No one is happy all of the time, but some people feel as if they can never find happiness. Some people feel as if their entire life is devoted to nothing but pain and hurt and loneliness. Every day is a struggle, and every breath a fight for survival. These people have a deep understanding of the word Depression.

[Patrick]

^^ i believe him.

To all those who glorify or try to justify suicide in any way shape or form. It is a selfish, hurtful act that only puts exponential pain on those that have ever cared for you.

I would never call suicide "cowardly" as some would, but it is ABSOLUTELY selfish.

Very sorry for your loss Pyramid.

Oh Jesus Christ.

It ISN'T SELFISH!
YOU are being selfish by asking the person to live through pain and suffer just because you don't want to loose them.

If people actually cared that much about the person who committed suicide, they would of shown it more or would of recognized their cries for help.

[Vicky.]

If people actually cared that much about the person who committed suicide, they would of shown it more or would of recognized their cries for help.

This isnt very fair, there is not always signs, some people do it totally out of the blue :/

[Benjamin]

Straightforward depression is one thing, but if it accompanies an underlying mental health issue(s) that's another - even more imperative to get yourself checked out.

I have to admit the medication I was put on was totally impractical for me as it made me fairly out of it and I couldn't afford to be, having to work and look after two small children at the time without any support, but the counselling helped inasmuch it allowed me to vocalise a lot of stuff I had kept hidden for so long and confront various issues. I also followed various strategies based on diversionary tactics, but I'm certainly not suggesting that what worked for me would work for everyone, people may need different interventions and it may be trial and error to find the best ones.

But unfortunately we still live in a society where some mental health still holds a stigma, and help is not always available, not the help that they feel they need. Every person's brain is fine tuned uniquely, so what may work to help one may not work for another. And trial and error is all good and well, but that doesn't help the person right when they need it...

[lostalex]

excuse me but not one person in this thread tried to "glorify" suicide.
Then i obviously wasn't talking about YOU then, was i?

[Benjamin]

Then i obviously wasn't talking about YOU then, was i?

Oh do stop getting pissy.

Nobody has glorified suicide, people have just offered opinions in a debate. :bored:

[lostalex]

Oh Jesus Christ.

It ISN'T SELFISH!
YOU are being selfish by asking the person to live through pain and suffer just because you don't want to loose them.

If people actually cared that much about the person who committed suicide, they would of shown it more or would of recognized their cries for help.

wow. what great logic. If someone commits suicide, it is the fault of all the people that loved them. What a wonderful messege to send.

How very convenient to blame the surviving members.

Disgusting. Sorry but that is DISGUSTING logic.

[Angus]

I was one of the weird ones who eventually just snapped out of it, with no help as such.

They had me on citalopram to start with, and it made me really really bad. I was lashing out at everyone, the moodswings were awful and I still to this day say it made me worse.

Counselling, they made me remember things from my youth, and talk about it when I didnt WANT to talk about it, and brought back loads of terrible memories, which again, made me worse.

I guess though, if you are feeling suicidal and tell the doctors that, they could section you...but again, I dont think this does much good if your mind is set.

The docs are still trying to force pills down my neck now, despite me being ok. I have a stash of fluoxetine downstairs, that I have been saving for months as they are basically pressuring me to get them. I refuse to take them when I dont need them, but they wont listen :rolleyes:

I think that medication, if possible, should only be a short term solution, and cognitive behaviour therapy is probably more beneficial in the long run to manage clinical depression. I was always worried about getting too dependent on the pills. I have found I can cope without anti-depressants now by implementing the strategies that work for me to divert my mood. I do believe that depression is better recognised and managed these days but treatments have to be tailored to the individual - what works for one may not for another.

Like you said, not everyone wants or needs to confront bad stuff from their past. Often the depression arises because that self imposed barrier on one's memories and thoughts has somehow broken down, so the last thing you need is to be forced to remember bad things.

However, people suffering with serious mental illnesses such as schizophrenia will obviously need to take lifelong, regular medication.

[lostalex]

Oh do stop getting pissy.

Nobody has glorified suicide, people have just offered opinions in a debate. :bored:


You seem very certain of yourself. How unattractive.

[lostalex]

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/MargaretCho.jpg

Margaret Cho :bow: x a million

[Patrick]

This isnt very fair, there is not always signs, some people do it totally out of the blue :/

There's that too, I know what you mean.

I knew this girl [actually I quite fancied her] and she was totally fine all year and was having banter with me and stuff and when our school went off for Halloween last year, she killed herself over the very short period we were off.

I didn't live with her obviously so I don't know if she had been depressed in the house and her parents had ignored it but I do see what you mean.

I just think what that American bird is saying, cba spelling her name, is abit unfair too because it's basically saying anyone that's killed themselves is Selfish and isn't thinking of others, of course they are.
It isn't an easy decision to make at the end of the day but, you if things are really that bad and you've made your mind up, it'd be selfish to put yourself through the pain of living just to please other people.

[lostalex]

it's never out of the blue.

[Niamh.]

There's that too, I know what you mean.

I knew this girl [actually I quite fancied her] and she was totally fine all year and was having banter with me and stuff and when our school went off for Halloween last year, she killed herself over the very short period we were off.

I didn't live with her obviously so I don't know if she had been depressed in the house and her parents had ignored it but I do see what you mean.

I just think what that American bird is saying, cba spelling her name, is abit unfair too because it's basically saying anyone that's killed themselves is Selfish and isn't thinking of others, of course they are.
It isn't an easy decision to make at the end of the day but, you if things are really that bad and you've made your mind up, it'd be selfish to put yourself through the pain of living just to please other people.

alot of times people who suffer from depression present themselves in public as the happy go lucky, joker types

[lostalex]

I just think what that American bird is saying, cba spelling her name

how incredibly rude. FU2.

[Vicky.]

it's never out of the blue.

Load of bollocks.

Some people even just get pissed and decide to do it, some just want attention and something goes wrong. Others have been thinking about it for a while but hid it well...so to others, its out of the blue.

[Angus]

But unfortunately we still live in a society where some mental health still holds a stigma, and help is not always available, not the help that they feel they need. Every person's brain is fine tuned uniquely, so what may work to help one may not work for another. And trial and error is all good and well, but that doesn't help the person right when they need it...

Certainly with the more serious mental illnesses there probably is some stigma still, but when it comes to depression, it is now such a well recognised and understood condition, that it's quite possibly the one illness we have all suffered with to some degree or another. My point is that those that get to the level of depression that compels them to consider taking their own lives, did not arrive at that point instantaneously, it must have got worse over a period of time, during which help could have been sought.

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available.

[lostalex]

Load of bollocks.

Some people even just get pissed and decide to do it, some just want attention and something goes wrong. Others have been thinking about it for a while but hid it well...so to others, its out of the blue.

i disagree. Anyone who is gonna do it, will have reached out in their own way, in some form or another.

I'm not saying it's anyone's responsibility to have noticed, but it's never out of the blue.

[Niamh.]

Then i obviously wasn't talking about YOU then, was i?

I hope not but If not me then WHO were you refering to because I haven't seen anyone try to glorify it?

[Benjamin]

You seem very certain of yourself. How unattractive.

I am both certain of myself and unattractive. But I'm not the one with a sharp edged view on the world and unable to see both sides of a debate. ;)

[Vicky.]

I am both certain of myself and unattractive. But I'm not the one with a sharp edged view on the world and unable to see both sides of a debate. ;)

I disagree wholeheartedly :bored:

[lostalex]

I hope not but If not me then WHO were you refering to because I haven't seen anyone try to glorify it?


i was OBVIOSLY making a generalization. You often hear on anti-suicide campaigns about how "cowardly" it is. that was what i was referring to.

[Benjamin]

Certainly with the more serious mental illnesses there probably is some stigma still, but when it comes to depression, it is now such a well recognised and understood condition, that it's quite possibly the one illness we have all suffered with to some degree or another. My point is that those that get to the level of depression that compels them to consider taking their own lives, did not arrive at that point instantaneously, it must have got worse over a period of time, during which help could have been sought.

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available .

This I agree with.

[Niamh.]

I disagree wholeheartedly :bored:

I second your wholehearted disagreement

[Patrick]

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available.

This is true.

A few Lifeline or Child Support leaflets with stupid slogans like 'Suicide, Is it worth it?' written on them, isn't going to save lives.

There should be assemblers organized a few times a year where they get people in from these organizations to talk to teens about Suicide.

Rather than wasting money every October on 'Firework Safety' assemblies, I think all know how to light a ******ing firework.

[Patrick]

I do think there should be better education about such issues in schools and colleges, so that kids realise that what they're feeling and experiencing in certain situations, such as relationship breakups, bullying etc, is not insurmountable, and that help is available.

This is true.

A few Lifeline or Child Support leaflets with stupid slogans like 'Suicide, Is it worth it?' written on them, isn't going to save lives.

There should be assemblers organized a few times a year where they get people in from these organizations to talk to teens about Suicide.

Rather than wasting money every October on 'Firework Safety' assemblies, I think all know how to light a ******ing firework.

[InOne]

Is everyone mentally ill on this site? Is this what BB attracts lol

[lostalex]

Is everyone mentally ill on this site? Is this what BB attracts lol

replace "BB" with "internet forums" and the answer is definitely YES.

[Pyramid*]

Oh Jesus Christ.

It ISN'T SELFISH!
YOU are being selfish by asking the person to live through pain and suffer just because you don't want to loose them.

If people actually cared that much about the person who committed suicide, they would of shown it more or would of recognized their cries for help.

Clearly you know very little. My father showed no signs of depression (indeed, it was if anything, the opposite) and gave no indications that anything was wrong to the point that he was preparing to take his own life. He was the last person on earth who anyone had thought would take that route.

Not everyone does the 'cry for help' part....or the attention seeking part Patrick. You might do well to learn some facts about suicide - many people who are successful in their suicide bids - many - give no indication, no talk of it, no signs, no signals, no 'cry for help'. Those types are the very ones who want to ensure they are successful - they aren't crying out for help - they are the ones hell bent on ensuring they will achieve death - long before anyone will be able to intervene.

(angus and Alex... thanks btw.)

[keithafc]

Just seek help if you ever get suicide thoughts. Talk to some one.

[Stu]

http://www.fonejacker.tv/wp-content/uploads/terry.jpg
Talk't'me.

Sorry.

[Livia]

i disagree. Anyone who is gonna do it, will have reached out in their own way, in some form or another.

I'm not saying it's anyone's responsibility to have noticed, but it's never out of the blue.


To quote your own previous post... You seem very certain of yourself. Many people who want to end it all make their arrangements quietly, and then take themselves off and just do it. It comes as a shock to people who knew them.

[BB_Eye]

I'm not sure I agree with this real potential suicide case vs. attention seeking dichotomy. Nobody should take threats of suicide from somebody lightly. Granted, some people have far more reason to top themselves than others and some people want far attention far more than others, but few people are thinking clearly in this state of mind. Moral platitudes don't exactly help, although knowing how it would affect your family is possibly the most important reason for not going through with it.