View Full Version : Mario wants to go to Dave's Glory Fest
Vodka Drinka
12-01-2011, 04:02 PM
Yes really according to his Twitter. I'm disgusted , not that I ever had anytime for him anyway (as you all know). I can't believe any of the housemates are condoning this. Dave is a charlatan and his religion is more like a "cult" that prays on the young and the vulnerable. But Mario said when he left the house he didn't want anything to do with Dave, so why the sudden change of heart? I can't imagine he'd be very welcome there being openly gay(we all know Dave's views on gay people). I'm surprised he suddenly wants to be so pally with him, but maybe there's a photo opportunity involved or something? ;)
Sam Pepper had an argument on Twitter with someone about this the other day, defending Dave to the hilt, saying what a "nice man he is" and how we "dont really know him". Sure it's not his daughter clouding your judgment there Sam? ;)Steve has gone up in my estimation for saying he won't go because he doesn't believe in that kind of thing, and Shabby is a legend for challenging Dave directly on Twitter asking him where the money from the Gloryfest will be going?:joker:
The three of them Mario, John James and Sam Pepper should hang their heads in shame. John James and Pepper especially for appearing in a Youtube video promoting it!
Niamh.
12-01-2011, 04:11 PM
How dare Mario change his mind about a person! The vile, horrible creature!
Vodka Drinka
12-01-2011, 04:22 PM
How dare Mario change his mind about a person! The vile, horrible creature!
Mario is a vile horrible, creature. That aside they are promoting an event that is aimed at brainwashing vulnerable young people. Why do they think Dave is so bloody well off? He preys on the weak!
BigBrotherfan4ever
12-01-2011, 04:26 PM
Mario is a vile horrible, creature. That aside they are promoting an event that is aimed at brainwashing vulnerable young people. Why do they think Dave is so bloody well off? He preys on the weak!
100% agree with you, in everything you've just written.
Vicky.
12-01-2011, 04:47 PM
What exactly is a 'glory fest'? :S
Sounds a bit like a gangbang to me...
pices
12-01-2011, 04:49 PM
Mario is a vile horrible, creature. That aside they are promoting an event that is aimed at brainwashing vulnerable young people. Why do they think Dave is so bloody well off? He preys on the weak!
Indeed he is both vile and horrible......I would however add a few more to that if he really wants to go and support Dave, I dont really care if these housemates like and respect Dave as a friend, they just should not be supporting and condoning what essentially is a con aimed at the most vunerable in society.This conman is making his living off people that are weak and vunerable, they hand over their dosh and Dave spends it on holidays and cruises all the while pretending to be charitable and creating miracles, having watched a lot of Dave's videos I am sickened that any of the housemates would turn up to his freak show, shame on them.:mad::mad::mad:
James
12-01-2011, 04:51 PM
Dave was a great housemate, really funny. Some of his banter was legendary. :hugesmile:
pices
12-01-2011, 04:54 PM
Dave was a great housemate, really funny. Some of his banter was legendary. :hugesmile:
His vids are not so humerous, pretending to be wheelchair bound while preaching about performing miracles and then taking the piss out of the fact people believed he was confined to a wheelchair is hardly funny, all the while conning money from these folk is sick....not funny.
Vodka Drinka
12-01-2011, 04:57 PM
Indeed he is both vile and horrible......I would however add a few more to that if he really wants to go and support Dave, I dont really care if these housemates like and respect Dave as a friend, they just should not be supporting and condoning what essentially is a con aimed at the most vunerable in society.This conman is making his living off people that are weak and vunerable, they hand over their dosh and Dave spends it on holidays and cruises all the while pretending to be charitable and creating miracles, having watched a lot of Dave's videos I am sickened that any of the housemates would turn up to his freak show, shame on them.:mad::mad::mad:
I can't believe anyone would actually like Dave as a friend? We know that Mario watched all of the live feed back after leaving the house, did he not see what he was really like? Trust me the stuff Dave said about him behind his back was far worse than what anyone else said (no names mentioned ;))
Dave was a great housemate, really funny. Some of his banter was legendary. :hugesmile:
A great housemate who is homophobic, hates women, is sly, devious, manipulative, a conman, pretends to be disabled, stabs his friends in the back etc?
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
12-01-2011, 04:58 PM
His vids are not so humerous, pretending to be wheelchair bound while preaching about performing miracles and then taking the piss out of the fact people believed he was confined to a wheelchair is hardly funny, all the while conning money from these folk is sick....not funny.
i havent seen the vids but i expect that of him :bored:
the man is vile :bored:
Vicky.
12-01-2011, 04:58 PM
What is a glory fest? D:
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
12-01-2011, 05:01 PM
What is a glory fest? D:
basically a big piss up but getting drunk on god instead of beer :bored:
What is a glory fest? D:
It's the party he throws where they all get drunk "on the glory" :laugh:
Vicky.
12-01-2011, 05:01 PM
basically a big piss up but getting drunk on god instead of beer :bored:
Oh, sounds fun D:
His vids are not so humerous, pretending to be wheelchair bound while preaching about performing miracles and then taking the piss out of the fact people believed he was confined to a wheelchair is hardly funny, all the while conning money from these folk is sick....not funny.
Yeah some of that vid was funny:
"I'm a real monk all the way from the monastery... which is basically my living room" :laugh2:
I saw his videos but didnt really care about them, he was a good housemate, he was entertaining when he was in there and that's what I'll judge him on
pices
12-01-2011, 05:06 PM
It's the party he throws where they all get drunk "on the glory" :laugh:
They dont get drunk on the Glory though, just like lesser mortals they get pissed on alcohol, which is most likely double priced at the bar.
Niamh.
12-01-2011, 05:06 PM
I can't believe anyone would actually like Dave as a friend? We know that Mario watched all of the live feed back after leaving the house, did he not see what he was really like? Trust me the stuff Dave said about him behind his back was far worse than what anyone else said (no names mentioned ;))
A great housemate who is homophobic, hates women, is sly, devious, manipulative, a conman, pretends to be disabled, stabs his friends in the back etc?
how does he hate women?
and also, he doesn't hate gay people, he said he wouldn't marry a gay couple, neither would must priests or vicars etc, that doesn't mean they hate gay people
Vodka Drinka
12-01-2011, 05:09 PM
how does he hate women?
and also, he doesn't hate gay people, he said he wouldn't marry a gay couple, neither would must priests or vicars etc, that doesn't mean they hate gay people
How would you explain the issues he had with the first Rachael then? She was obviously very pretty and the other straight men in the house all fancied her, so he decides to put her up in save and replace. She'd done nothing to him that I am aware. Other than being attractive, sexy and having a good figure that she liked to show off. Same goes for Keeva, the way he behaved when he saw her boobs in the bathroom was pathetic, has he never seen a pair of tits before?
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
12-01-2011, 05:09 PM
Yeah some of that vid was funny:
"I'm a real monk all the way from the monastery... which is basically my living room" :laugh2:
I saw his videos but didnt really care about them, he was a good housemate, he was entertaining when he was in there and that's what I'll judge him on
-_-
pices
12-01-2011, 05:09 PM
Yeah some of that vid was funny:
"I'm a real monk all the way from the monastery... which is basically my living room" :laugh2:
I saw his videos but didnt really care about them, he was a good housemate, he was entertaining when he was in there and that's what I'll judge him on
I detested him in the house and found him quite loathsome, sly,sexist and a bully to boot, but now he is out of the house and I am judgeing him on his behaviour now, which is conning vunerable people from their wallet so he can swan off on holidays.
Angus
12-01-2011, 05:10 PM
Dave was a great housemate, really funny. Some of his banter was legendary. :hugesmile:
All the best conmen are utterly charming, witty and believable - that's how they are able to defraud people. Yes, he was good value on BB, but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Niamh.
12-01-2011, 05:11 PM
How would you explain the issues he had with the first Rachael then? She was obviously very pretty and the other straight men in the house all fancied her, so he decides to put her up in save and replace. She'd done nothing to him that I am aware. Other than being attractive, sexy and having a good figure that she liked to show off. Same goes for Keeva, the way he behaved when he saw her boobs in the bathroom was pathetic, has he never seen a pair of tits before?
because he choose rachael for his save and replace that makes him a woman hater??? and I know plenty of people who would feel uncomfortable by a drunk woman running around topless, doesn't make them woman haters:conf:
Angus
12-01-2011, 05:12 PM
Of course Mario wants to get involved - he'd go to the opening of a door - so desperate is he for any attention at all.
Vodka Drinka
12-01-2011, 05:14 PM
because he choose rachael for his save and replace that makes him a woman hater??? and I know plenty of people who would feel uncomfortable by a drunk woman running around topless, doesn't make them woman haters:conf:
She wasn't topless though was she? She had a white shirt on that had water splashed on it. And yes, I think being made uncomfortable by a woman's breasts hints at misogyny.
I wonder if Dave still "dates" his darling daughter? Like that's normal behaviour :rolleyes:
She wasn't topless though was she? She had a white shirt on that had water splashed on it. And yes, I think being made uncomfortable by a woman's breasts hints at misogyny.
I wonder if Dave still "dates" his darling daughter? Like that's normal behaviour :rolleyes:
Misogyny? :joker: That's like saying Josie was a misandrist and hates men becuase she didnt like it when Mario walked around with his balls flapping around
And he meant date as in take her out for a lunch or something like that, he didnt intend for it to have incestous connotations
pices
12-01-2011, 05:33 PM
Misogyny? :joker: That's like saying Josie was a misandrist and hates men becuase she didnt like it when Mario walked around with his balls flapping around
And he meant date as in take her out for a lunch or something like that, he didnt intend for it to have incestous connotations
Well Dave did not mind getting his own arse out on camera, nor did he mind Mario flaunting his nakedness and bollox around all the time, he was apopolexic though because Rachael1 was not wearing any panties UNDER her clothes and when Keeva got splashed with water on her shirt, something a little odd and hypocritical about that lot.
He dates his daughter just like a boyfriend would, dinner, cinema, bowling etc, hopefully without the intimacy of a boyfriend, though it does have incestuous conotations when he declares that he wants to be under the bed on her wedding night to witness the nuptuals, he is a freak.
BigBrotherfan4ever
12-01-2011, 05:42 PM
I can't believe anyone would actually like Dave as a friend? We know that Mario watched all of the live feed back after leaving the house, did he not see what he was really like? Trust me the stuff Dave said about him behind his back was far worse than what anyone else said (no names mentioned ;))
A great housemate who is homophobic, hates women, is sly, devious, manipulative, a conman, pretends to be disabled, stabs his friends in the back etc?
Well said:thumbs:
patsylimerick
13-01-2011, 10:18 PM
Right, firstly, sorry for the long multi quote:blush:
Yeah some of that vid was funny:
"I'm a real monk all the way from the monastery... which is basically my living room" :laugh2:
I saw his videos but didnt really care about them, he was a good housemate, he was entertaining when he was in there and that's what I'll judge him on
Normally, I'd 100% agree with you but after the first four hl shows I thought Dave was one of the most offensive hms in the entire 10 series. I wouldn't mind so much him being a shyster if he even made sense - but he didn't. He was so incredibly incoherent and I never, ever, found him funny. Never. He tried so hard to be funny that I watched most of his footage from behind my fingers. Stomach churningly embarrassing stuff. Once I'd seen the Youtube stuff it all made sense. CH4 should be prosecuted for giving such an idiotic charlatan airtime.
how does he hate women?
and also, he doesn't hate gay people, he said he wouldn't marry a gay couple, neither would must priests or vicars etc, that doesn't mean they hate gay people
Oh come on, Niamh, as a fellow Corkwoman I know you know that the 'I'm doing what I'm told by the Vatican' line doesn't really wash at any decent moral or ethical level. He was and is a misogynistic, homophobic, incoherent twat. The fact that most priests or vicars wouldn't marry a gay couple either doesn't exactly make them admirable, now does it? Mind you, I don't think Dave really has a moral compass. Whatever it takes to get cash in the collection plate at the end of the evening is what he'll say and do.
How would you explain the issues he had with the first Rachael then? She was obviously very pretty and the other straight men in the house all fancied her, so he decides to put her up in save and replace. She'd done nothing to him that I am aware. Other than being attractive, sexy and having a good figure that she liked to show off. Same goes for Keeva, the way he behaved when he saw her boobs in the bathroom was pathetic, has he never seen a pair of tits before?
As usual, Vodka, spot on. Precisely, exactly, right. The man who displayed astonishing single bloodymindedness in blackening the name of the girl who dared to question his frankly idiotic religious gurgitations was, weeks later, revelling in slapping fake tan on a naiive male student; beside himself with mirth as Mario swung his left testicle around the house and splitting his jawline with glee as he tried to detach sam's nipples. What an odious, thick, dangerous cretin.
Jordan.
13-01-2011, 10:24 PM
I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.
He made Laura look entertaining.
Ultra Violet
13-01-2011, 11:43 PM
I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.
He made Laura look entertaining.
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: So true ... and so funny ... the man is really just so dreadful and so revolting ... oh I just want to expunge him from my memory now ... he won't be popping up anywhere else so we can all breathe a sigh of relief ... ooofffff ... doesn't that feel good ... ? Bye!
Niamh.
13-01-2011, 11:47 PM
Normally, I'd 100% agree with you but after the first four hl shows I thought Dave was one of the most offensive hms in the entire 10 series. I wouldn't mind so much him being a shyster if he even made sense - but he didn't. He was so incredibly incoherent and I never, ever, found him funny. Never. He tried so hard to be funny that I watched most of his footage from behind my fingers. Stomach churningly embarrassing stuff. Once I'd seen the Youtube stuff it all made sense. CH4 should be prosecuted for giving such an idiotic charlatan airtime.
Oh are you from Cork? I assumed Limerick from the user name!
InOne
13-01-2011, 11:49 PM
Dave was a total fake lol And pretty nasty at times
You lot love to get melodramatic over housemates dont you? :laugh:
Ultra Violet
14-01-2011, 12:08 AM
You lot love to get melodramatic over housemates dont you? :laugh:
Well ... the thing is that Dave is actually in a position to do a lot of harm ... and he has been given the power to affect people by his inclusion in Big Brother ... so I am not sure if 'melodramatic' is the most accurate word to be honest ... I think it is right and proper to draw attention to the situation ... and also to the fact that some of the HMs are definitely NOT supporting his chicanery while some of the others are trying to drum up even more business for him ...
Shining a spotlight on this (and noticing which way the different HMs are reacting to Dave's ludicrous but ultimately potentially VERY toxic nonsense) is interesting ... and quite necessary and even important ... but 'melodramatic' ... I wouldn't have thought that was the most suitable description of many peoples' responses to this charlatan's cynical and fraudulent manipulation ... :conf:
Well ... the thing is that Dave is actually in a position to do a lot of harm ... and he has been given the power to affect people by his inclusion in Big Brother ... so I am not sure if 'melodramatic' is the most accurate word to be honest ... I think it is right and proper to draw attention to the situation ... and also to the fact that some of the HMs are definitely NOT supporting his chicanery while some of the others are trying to drum up even more business for him ...
Shining a spotlight on this (and noticing which way the different HMs are reacting to Dave's ludicrous but ultimately potentially VERY toxic nonsense) is interesting ... and quite necessary and even important ... but 'melodramatic' ... I wouldn't have thought that was the most suitable description of many peoples' responses to this charlatan's cynical and fraudulent manipulation ... :conf:
Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be
He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.
Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.
Ultra Violet
14-01-2011, 12:38 AM
Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be
He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.
Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.
I wonder if you really have seen any of the videos which were up during the summer - maybe a lot of them have disappeared by now - but the one in India where he was clearly ripping off the poorest and most vulnerable ill or troubled Indians which he could lure into his (or John Crowder's) clutches was one of the most despicable and unforgivable scenes I have ever witnessed - and the one where he spoke with barely believable disrespect about some Palestinians he had encountered (in Palestine, too - not on anyone else's turf) was truly wicked and lacking in any real understanding or intelligence or (maybe most importantly of all) compassion - and could have lead to great anger and even violence (quite understandable and 'righteous' anger ...)
So no ... Dave is not a bumbling innocent and basically good guy - he is a knave and a rogue and a fool and should NEVER have been given any air time at all (and the fact that he was allowed onto our screens will probably long remain a mystery which we should all be trying to solve - but it does seem to reek of some sort of corruption not just to me, but to many other Forum Members as well - it has all been discussed in various places for some considerable time ... and rightly so ... imho ... :shocked:)
I wonder if you really have seen any of the videos which were up during the summer - maybe a lot of them have disappeared by now - but the one in India where he was clearly ripping off the poorest and most vulnerable ill or troubled Indians which he could lure into his (or John Crowder's) clutches was one of the most despicable and unforgivable scenes I have ever witnessed - and the one where he spoke with barely believable disrespect about some Palestinians he had encountered (in Palestine, too - not on anyone else's turf) was truly wicked and lacking in any real understanding or intelligence or (maybe most importantly of all) compassion - and could have lead to great anger and even violence (quite understandable and 'righteous' anger ...)
So no ... Dave is not a bumbling innocent and basically good guy - he is a knave and a rogue and a fool and should NEVER have been given any air time at all (and the fact that he was allowed onto our screens will probably long remain a mystery which we should all be trying to solve - but it does seem to reek of some sort of corruption not just to me, but to many other Forum Members as well - it has all been discussed in various places for some considerable time ... and rightly so ... imho ... :shocked:)
Never said he was a "bumbling innocent" or "basically a good guy" though did I?
Yes, I saw the video in India, and it doesnt change my stance at all. He was claiming he could dure through God, he's not the first to say God can heal people now is he? And no, I didnt see the other one but I dont much care for it.
But anyway, you've missed my point; I couldnt give a damn what he gets up to outside of the house. I will judge him based on how far he has entertained me in the weeks that he was in the house, not on a couple of youtube videos. There is no corruption here, there's no conspiracy. Dave was a wacky guy, one people might consider a "freak" as one member has said, well that's what BB is now, it's basically a freak show, that's why he was chosen. In the summer everyone was saying the papers had been silenced and then it turned out the NOTW had carried an article about Dave in India which left all the conspiracy theorists there looking a bit stupid.
Big Brother is simple and light-hearted entertainment, I am not going to tirelessly assess the morality of each contestant or what they do outside of the house; it's irrelevant, they can do as they please for all I care.
Ultra Violet
14-01-2011, 12:59 AM
Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be
He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.
Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.
You have clearly not seen what he has been getting up to in foreign countries with very simple and disadvantaged people ... there is no forgiving it ... have another look (if they are still there that is ... as I said I do not know if they are ... they sickened me and I have not wanted to see them a second time so simply do not know)
No judging of others ... so all behaviour however cruel or harmful or immoral or vicious (in the literal sense of that word) is acceptable and should be condoned and not criticised or curtailed ... would that include rape? Torture? Murder? You clearly would include theft - and theft from the very poorest at that - as acceptable and not worry about it as long as it seemed amusing to the outside world (all part of being a 'good housemate') ... I have to differ with you on this ... and differ very strongly ... some things ARE wrong and they must be exposed and condemned (and if at all possible stopped from recurring) - most especially if a former HM is using his following from the house and some other former HMs to help him with criminal activities :conf::conf::conf::conf::conf: :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:
I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.
He made Laura look entertaining.
I don't even think about Mario in relation to interesting BB housemates. I consider him a non-entity BB housemate for the most part and even after BB. That is why I rarely mention him in posts on this forum in particular, unless replying to a specific post mentioning him. I just don't think he is much worthy of wasting typing fingers on anymore. And I know I have made this post about him, but it's literally just a one off :joker: Because, as I said earlier in this post, I have done and probably will only mention him in reply to other posts that mention him if I feel the need be.
Vodka Drinka
14-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Do you remember when Dave said he wanted to use the winnings(had he won obviously) to open an orphanage in India? I actually laughed out loud when he said that, what a load of utter bollocks!
You have clearly not seen what he has been getting up to in foreign countries with very simple and disadvantaged people ... there is no forgiving it ... have another look (if they are still there that is ... as I said I do not know if they are ... they sickened me and I have not wanted to see them a second time so simply do not know)
No judging of others ... so all behaviour however cruel or harmful or immoral or vicious (in the literal sense of that word) is acceptable and should be condoned and not criticised or curtailed ... would that include rape? Torture? Murder? You clearly would include theft - and theft from the very poorest at that - as acceptable and not worry about it as long as it seemed amusing to the outside world (all part of being a 'good housemate') ... I have to differ with you on this ... and differ very strongly ... some things ARE wrong and they must be exposed and condemned (and if at all possible stopped from recurring) - most especially if a former HM is using his following from the house and some other former HMs to help him with criminal activities :conf::conf::conf::conf::conf: :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:
Yes I have already said, I have seen the videos. As far as I can recall the one in India just showed him supposedly healing some Indians of diseases. As I've said he's not the first to claim that God can heal the sick. What is the theft you speak of?
I'm a relativist for the most part, I dont really believe there are absolute and universal morals, it is relative to the people who hold them. The purpose of Dave being on the show was to entertain, in my view he did that, what he gets up to out of the house is not my business and as I said I'm not going to play moral Big Brother with myself. Dave gets no credibility from the wider public, the vast majority just think his views are ridiculous, but if some think they are getting drunk "on the glory" then that's up to them, it's not up to me to tell them. Don't compare this to murder because it isn't, Dave is not doing anything illegal and unless you can prove that he is then I stand by what I said.
honeydew
17-01-2011, 04:50 PM
If Mario gets drunk, he will proberly go stripping on the glory,
watch out..:yuk::amazed:
:joker::joker:
what a horrible sight that will be..:joker::joker::joker::joker:::amazed::amazed::
Malza
18-01-2011, 11:46 AM
Glad to hear that Mario won't go to the charlatans "drunk on the Lord" happening!
He tweeted a sec. ago:
Hey guys just to let you know so there is no confusion, I wont be appearing at Gloryfest this weekend.
Ultra Violet
18-01-2011, 11:53 AM
[/CENTER]Glad to hear that Mario won't go to the charlatans "drunk on the Lord" happening!
He tweeted a sec. ago:
Well ... that is a blessed relief ... :dance: :devil:
patsylimerick
19-01-2011, 11:23 PM
Niamh, no, Rebel born and bred. Limerick just has a special place in my heart :spin:
MTVN, OK he's not breaking any laws that we're aware of but he parades down high streets in a monk's garb and in a wheelchair seeking donations. If he got any money from an eldelry relative of mine I wouldn't be checking the local constabulary's book of offences - would you? He's a shyster. As regards how entertaining he was in the house - really? Repeating inanities and lying down pretending to be 'drunk' and misquoting the bible? Seriously? That's entertaining? I can't, genuinely, remember him being funny once. I can remember him pinching, nipple-tweaking and arse-slapping all of the younger men in the house and turning purple with indignation when Caoimhe's shirt got wet. I remember him giving out about his friends not being on his from home video, until Steve's was played and Steve cried when he saw the message from his kids. All of a sudden Dave's upset because his kids weren't in the message. I remember him lying on the grass looking up his wife's skirt........ I could go on but I'm feeling slightly queasy............
James
21-01-2011, 01:30 AM
From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.
I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there isn't real evidence for it.
Ultra Violet
21-01-2011, 03:12 AM
From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.
I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there 'isn't real evidence for it.'
Oh James ... James ... you just haven't been seeing or reading the stuff that is out there to be seen and read have you?
Why do you think so many John James fans are shaking their heads in despair and puzzlement and disappointment
All for 'nothing much to worry about' ... ?
Surely you can't honestly believe that there isn't real evidence for it?
You must be brighter than you are giving yourself credit for in our eyes ...
Mustn't you ... ? :conf: Surely you must ... ? :conf::conf::conf:
patsylimerick
21-01-2011, 01:57 PM
From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.
I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there isn't real evidence for it.
Oh dear. He has confirmed that he dressed as a monk and pretended to need to use a wheelchair and rolled up and down a High Street looking for money. He then laughed about what he'd done and advised others on how to buy wheelchairs on e-Bay. How, by any standard of logic, can that make your last sentence legitimate?
Truth Teller
21-01-2011, 06:01 PM
Dave was a total fake lol And pretty nasty at times
Nice and succint:xyxwave:
James
21-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Oh dear. He has confirmed that he dressed as a monk and pretended to need to use a wheelchair and rolled up and down a High Street looking for money. He then laughed about what he'd done and advised others on how to buy wheelchairs on e-Bay. How, by any standard of logic, can that make your last sentence legitimate?
Well, from what I watched he wasn't asking people for money in that.
Ultra Violet
21-01-2011, 10:51 PM
Well, from what I watched he wasn't asking people for money in that.
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What part of James' post confused you? I cant see where he is asking for money, he's even got a sign saying "free blessings".
Don't see any conning there, just a lot of glory :spin:
Ultra Violet
21-01-2011, 11:59 PM
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What part of James' post confused you? I cant see where he is asking for money, he's even got a sign saying "free blessings".
Don't see any conning there, just a lot of glory :spin:
This is not the right video clip ... ?
Not the incriminating one which has revolted everyone so much ... :devil:
This is not the right video clip ... ?
Not the incriminating one which has revolted everyone so much ... :devil:
This was the video that patsylimerick was talking about, the one where he supposedly "rolled up and down a High Street looking for money" before laughing about buying more chairs on eBay. You can see that he is not charging people money here, he is actually giving "free blessings". So what confused you when James said he didnt see Dave ask anybody for money in that video of him in the wheelchair?
patsylimerick
22-01-2011, 09:19 AM
This was the video that patsylimerick was talking about, the one where he supposedly "rolled up and down a High Street looking for money" before laughing about buying more chairs on eBay. You can see that he is not charging people money here, he is actually giving "free blessings". So what confused you when James said he didnt see Dave ask anybody for money in that video of him in the wheelchair?
Right, firstly, several startling Dave videos were removed from Youtube never to be seen again once they'd been unearthed. Secondly, how do YOU think he finances trips to the US several times a year and luxury cruises, given that he's a self-confessed layabout who hasn't worked in years? Thirdly, how about charging, is it £30, a ticket for Gloryfest and actively advertising that sam pepper (average fan age 10-14) and JJ are going to be there to take pocket money out of the piggy banks of naiive teenagers? And fourthly, you see NOTHING wrong with pretending to need a wheelchair and p***ing yourself laughing about conning people afterwards - if he never took a penny off of them?
I really hope the world always stay so fine for you. As In One so succintly and correctly put it, he's a nasty fake.
edit: Just for the record - why do you think the New Ecstatics include a Paypal link prominently on their pages? Are they hoping people will send them virtual hugs?
patsylimerick
22-01-2011, 09:32 AM
Those defending Dave on here, please view this:
http:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHTNZn938g
and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OcPrMSeP9o&feature=related
I'm hoping to be back later with more. There are plenty..........
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 11:38 AM
Those defending Dave on here, please view this:
http:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHTNZn938g
and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OcPrMSeP9o&feature=related
I'm hoping to be back later with more. There are plenty..........
You know Pats ... you need to have some sort of a moral compass to appreciate the utter squalor and wrongness of this sort of chicanery ...
I am just no longer sure that everyone has that sort of inner equipment ... :conf: :conf: :conf: :shocked:
Right, firstly, several startling Dave videos were removed from Youtube never to be seen again once they'd been unearthed. Secondly, how do YOU think he finances trips to the US several times a year and luxury cruises, given that he's a self-confessed layabout who hasn't worked in years? Thirdly, how about charging, is it £30, a ticket for Gloryfest and actively advertising that sam pepper (average fan age 10-14) and JJ are going to be there to take pocket money out of the piggy banks of naiive teenagers? And fourthly, you see NOTHING wrong with pretending to need a wheelchair and p***ing yourself laughing about conning people afterwards - if he never took a penny off of them?
I really hope the world always stay so fine for you. As In One so succintly and correctly put it, he's a nasty fake.
edit: Just for the record - why do you think the New Ecstatics include a Paypal link prominently on their pages? Are they hoping people will send them virtual hugs?
I know nothing of his trips to the US and his cruises and I dont much care, I have no knowledge of Dave and his finances and I'm not going to leap to stupid, and baseless, judgements.
What's wrong with charging entry? It costs money, believe it or not, to put on events like that, you can hardly criticise him for putting a price on tickets.
So do you admit that you were wrong about him asking for money when in the wheelchair? He didnt, and if he wants to go rolling around in a wheelchair then be my guest, you can go give it a try too if you want I dont mind.
Pretty simple why he has a paypal link on hsi pages, it's for people to donate to his Church. All Church's seek funding don't they? Nothing wrong with that.
You know Pats ... you need to have some sort of a moral compass to appreciate the utter squalor and wrongness of this sort of chicanery ...
I am just no longer sure that everyone has that sort of inner equipment ... :conf: :conf: :conf: :shocked:
Oh come on, let's cut the moralistic high horse crap. If you're such a beacon of morality there are better things to devote your efforts to then trying to discredit a strange Minister.
Everyone is not born with a moral compass that's rubbish, and you do not have the deciding say on what is moral and what isnt; it's all subjective, and I'm not going to hold a consuming hatred for someone who I thought was a good house mate, just because of a couple of youtube videos where he rolls around in a wheelchair.
lauraC
22-01-2011, 01:11 PM
Yes really according to his Twitter. I'm disgusted , not that I ever had anytime for him anyway (as you all know). I can't believe any of the housemates are condoning this. Dave is a charlatan and his religion is more like a "cult" that prays on the young and the vulnerable. But Mario said when he left the house he didn't want anything to do with Dave, so why the sudden change of heart? I can't imagine he'd be very welcome there being openly gay(we all know Dave's views on gay people). I'm surprised he suddenly wants to be so pally with him, but maybe there's a photo opportunity involved or something? ;)
Sam Pepper had an argument on Twitter with someone about this the other day, defending Dave to the hilt, saying what a "nice man he is" and how we "dont really know him". Sure it's not his daughter clouding your judgment there Sam? ;)Steve has gone up in my estimation for saying he won't go because he doesn't believe in that kind of thing, and Shabby is a legend for challenging Dave directly on Twitter asking him where the money from the Gloryfest will be going?:joker:
The three of them Mario, John James and Sam Pepper should hang their heads in shame. John James and Pepper especially for appearing in a Youtube video promoting it!
Did you get it wrong again pet?
Mario isn't going Sam, John James, Sunshine and andrew are and i noticed you tweeted dave to ask if ben was going lol, I imagine if he was you would think it's the greatest gig on earth, infact you would be starting a thead on how wondefully forgiving ben is, how the glory shines out of his arse and you would be planning a trip to the fest yourself
pices
22-01-2011, 01:20 PM
I know nothing of his trips to the US and his cruises and I dont much care, I have no knowledge of Dave and his finances and I'm not going to leap to stupid, and baseless, judgements.
What's wrong with charging entry? It costs money, believe it or not, to put on events like that, you can hardly criticise him for putting a price on tickets.
So do you admit that you were wrong about him asking for money when in the wheelchair? He didnt, and if he wants to go rolling around in a wheelchair then be my guest, you can go give it a try too if you want I dont mind.
Pretty simple why he has a paypal link on hsi pages, it's for people to donate to his Church. All Church's seek funding don't they? Nothing wrong with that.
Dave has Churches??
he is not an ordained bonafide minister, the money goes to fund his lifestyle, pay his bills put food in his familys mouth, go on holidays all around the world conning vunerable ill people out of their money, he does not work so how do you think he funds his life, as for not asking for money in that vid..............of course he was, he was touting for customers to attend his sloshfest, they dont get in free, he charges on entry, promising miracles and spouting crap is his forte.He does not even read the bible that he had BB give him everyday in the house, I watched a clip of Ben discussing how dave gets given the bible each day but never ever reads it.
I dont understand why you are even trying to defend this con man when you yourself say that you know nothing of his world trips or finances, people on here who are discussing this charlatan are not talking about baseless suspicion but hard facts............facts that Dave himself has stated and all the vids which are out there for all interested parties to see.
If you dont want to know about his seedy life thats fine, but if you are going to defend the indefensible then you at least ought to arm yourself with hard facts.
I also do know that the forum member you are slating does indeed devote a lot of their efforts and time into very worthwhile causes and injustices that happen in our world, very important issues, and dave is just one of the injustices we have to live with.BB should hang their head in shame that they ever believed it was OK to foist this nasty, conning, fake cult leader upon us in prime time TV, let alone protect the slimy poor excuse for a human being.
As for him being a good housemate.........he was awful, boring, fake, sexist, homophobic and a slime ball, I was appalled at his inclusion.
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Dave has Churches??
he is not an ordained bonafide minister, the money goes to fund his lifestyle, pay his bills put food in his familys mouth, go on holidays all around the world conning vunerable ill people out of their money, he does not work so how do you think he funds his life, as for not asking for money in that vid..............of course he was, he was touting for customers to attend his sloshfest, they dont get in free, he charges on entry, promising miracles and spouting crap is his forte.He does not even read the bible that he had BB give him everyday in the house, I watched a clip of Ben discussing how dave gets given the bible each day but never ever reads it.
I dont understand why you are even trying to defend this con man when you yourself say that you know nothing of his world trips or finances, people on here who are discussing this charlatan are not talking about baseless suspicion but hard facts............facts that Dave himself has stated and all the vids which are out there for all interested parties to see.
If you dont want to know about his seedy life thats fine, but if you are going to defend the indefensible then you at least ought to arm yourself with hard facts.
I also do know that the forum member you are slating does indeed devote a lot of their efforts and time into very worthwhile causes and injustices that happen in our world, very important issues, and dave is just one of the injustices we have to live with.BB should hang their head in shame that they ever believed it was OK to foist this nasty, conning, fake cult leader upon us in prime time TV, let alone protect the slimy poor excuse for a human being.
As for him being a good housemate.........he was awful, boring, fake, sexist, homophobic and a slime ball, I was appalled at his inclusion.
He is a Minister and is head of his Church yes, dont see why that confuses you. Do you think Ministers should not be paid at all? He's a prominent figure among his branch of Christianity, the Sloshfest is a popular event.
So now it's a crime to advertise an event?
You, or someone else, has already stated that he's done nothing illegal so it is none of your business what he does, and he has every entitlement to do what the hell he wants without a few Ben-obssessives dicatating how you should live your life. We all have free will, if people want to pay to attend Dave's sloshfest then go ahead, and if people want to donate to his Church then they can go ahead. Just live and let live without trying to impose your value of what is right and wrong on everyone else; people can decide that for themselves.
pices
22-01-2011, 02:08 PM
He is a Minister and is head of his Church yes, dont see why that confuses you. Do you think Ministers should not be paid at all? He's a prominent figure among his branch of Christianity, the Sloshfest is a popular event.
So now it's a crime to advertise an event?
You, or someone else, has already stated that he's done nothing illegal so it is none of your business what he does, and he has every entitlement to do what the hell he wants without a few Ben-obssessives dicatating how you should live your life. We all have free will, if people want to pay to attend Dave's sloshfest then go ahead, and if people want to donate to his Church then they can go ahead. Just live and let live without trying to impose your value of what is right and wrong on everyone else; people can decide that for themselves.
Dave does not have a church and is not an ordained minister, he wears a fancy dress costume and spouts crap, he is not ordained, there is no church, and what the hell does it have to do with being a ben supporter, I am not obsessed with anyone and would ask you to refrain from personal insults, Its everyones business what Dave does as he is the one who puts all the info out there, I dont give a toss that he is staying within the bounds of legality, its still wrong and what he does is repulsive, you seem to like it and dont care what he does, thats fine....your perogative, just dont keep telling others not to be appalled at what he does, he sickens me, he is a lowlife imo, i am entitled to that opinion and also to shout it from the rooftops if i wish.
Dave does not have a church and is not an ordained minister, he wears a fancy dress costume and spouts crap, he is not ordained, there is no church, and what the hell does it have to do with being a ben supporter, I am not obsessed with anyone and would ask you to refrain from personal insults, Its everyones business what Dave does as he is the one who puts all the info out there, I dont give a toss that he is staying within the bounds of legality, its still wrong and what he does is repulsive, you seem to like it and dont care what he does, thats fine....your perogative, just dont keep telling others not to be appalled at what he does, he sickens me, he is a lowlife imo, i am entitled to that opinion and also to shout it from the rooftops if i wish.
I brought up the Ben supporter thing because you all seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding Ben's relationship with Dave. You seem to judge other characters by their relationship with Ben, which I suppose soured when Dave was alleged to have slagged him off behind his back, and I presume they are no longer in touch.
It is not a case of me telling you not to be appalled, not at all. On the contrary, my issue is that you are acting as though I am obliged to hate Dave because you dissaprove of his actions on the outside world. If you hate him and he repulses you that's fine, but dont demean other people who did happen to like him when he was in the house.
Jords
22-01-2011, 02:19 PM
Dont we all.
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 02:20 PM
I brought up the Ben supporter thing because you all seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding Ben's relationship with Dave. You seem to judge other characters by their relationship with Ben, which I suppose soured when Dave was alleged to have slagged him off behind his back, and I presume they are no longer in touch.
It is not a case of me telling you not to be appalled, not at all. On the contrary, my issue is that you are acting as though I am obliged to hate Dave because you dissaprove of his actions on the outside world. If you hate him and he repulses you that's fine, but dont demean other people who did happen to like him when he was in the house.
Not at all true ... while watching during the summer Ben thought Dave was fine but much as I liked and respected Ben I knew all the way through that I profoundly disagreed with his assessment of Dave ...
Liking Ben is one thing ... but sharing his judgement of character ... well it really is not one of his strong points ... is it ... ?
patsylimerick
22-01-2011, 02:21 PM
I know nothing of his trips to the US and his cruises and I dont much care, I have no knowledge of Dave and his finances and I'm not going to leap to stupid, and baseless, judgements.What's wrong with charging entry? It costs money, believe it or not, to put on events like that, you can hardly criticise him for putting a price on tickets.
So do you admit that you were wrong about him asking for money when in the wheelchair? He didnt, and if he wants to go rolling around in a wheelchair then be my guest, you can go give it a try too if you want I dont mind.
Pretty simple why he has a paypal link on hsi pages, it's for people to donate to his Church. All Church's seek funding don't they? Nothing wrong with that.
BIB 1 & 2 completely contradict each other - can you not see that? I, on the other hand, know quite a lot about them because I made it my business to find out BEFORE I commented on the issue. So how is my judgement stupid and baseless? Did you view the videos? Are you remotely aware of how confoundingly ridiculous your contradictions are?
BIB 3. Yes he did. But the video in question was removed from Youtube, I assume by his organisation, once it was highlighted.
BIB 4. What Church? This is a cult.
pices
22-01-2011, 02:28 PM
I brought up the Ben supporter thing because you all seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding Ben's relationship with Dave. You seem to judge other characters by their relationship with Ben, which I suppose soured when Dave was alleged to have slagged him off behind his back, and I presume they are no longer in touch.
It is not a case of me telling you not to be appalled, not at all. On the contrary, my issue is that you are acting as though I am obliged to hate Dave because you dissaprove of his actions on the outside world. If you hate him and he repulses you that's fine, but dont demean other people who did happen to like him when he was in the house.
I dont give a monkeys uncle what you think about Dave, its your business, but I have not slated you for that opinion at all, I asked why you defend him when you admit yourself not to having any of the info that the people on here do have, its that info which is all fact that people are commrnting on, you came into this thread not knowing or caring to know about any of it and slate other posters for the discussion they are having based on facts, I dont base my opinion of others based on their relationship with Ben at all, but in life as a whole I guess its natural to judge people on how you see their interaction with other people, in this case its all the housemates because I witnessed the nasty freak for 12 weeks and his behaviour first towards Rachel 1, Then keeva and all the others, I dont hate anyone, but yes as a human being he repulses me, but he repulses me because of who and what he is, not anything to do with Ben
Not at all true ... while watching during the summer Ben thought Dave was fine but much as I liked and respected Ben I knew all the way through that I profoundly disagreed with his assessment of Dave ...
Liking Ben is one thing ... but sharing his judgement of character ... well it really is not one of his strong points ... is it ... ?
Fair enough, I take that back then
BIB 1 & 2 completely contradict each other - can you not see that? I, on the other hand, know quite a lot about them because I made it my business to find out BEFORE I commented on the issue. So how is my judgement stupid and baseless? Did you view the videos? Are you remotely aware of how confoundingly ridiculous your contradictions are?
BIB 3. Yes he did. But the video in question was removed from Youtube, I assume by his organisation, once it was highlighted.
BIB 4. What Church? This is a cult.
They dont contradict, I dont know about his trips to the US, well not the financial aspects of them, so how am I expected to make a judgement regarding them. I dont think you know his financial situation either to be honest.
I find it unlikely that while going around offering "free blessings" he was charging for those "blessings".
Yes ok, consider it a cult if you wish
patsylimerick
22-01-2011, 02:31 PM
He is a Minister and is head of his Church yes, dont see why that confuses you. Do you think Ministers should not be paid at all? He's a prominent figure among his branch of Christianity, the Sloshfest is a popular event.
So now it's a crime to advertise an event?
You, or someone else, has already stated that he's done nothing illegal so it is none of your business what he does, and he has every entitlement to do what the hell he wants without a few Ben-obssessives dicatating how you should live your life. We all have free will, if people want to pay to attend Dave's sloshfest then go ahead, and if people want to donate to his Church then they can go ahead. Just live and let live without trying to impose your value of what is right and wrong on everyone else; people can decide that for themselves.
BIB 1. Who are you talking about now?
BIB 2. Which is exactly why we're perfectly entitled to RESEARCH and then comment upon a BB housemates in a - well would you look at that - BB FORUM.
BIB 3. Who was it who handcuffed your wrists to the keyboard? Is anyone forcing you to join in the discussion? It's a discussion board, funnily enough, on which people voice opinions. That's what happens. No-one's imposing anything on anyone.
Only if you want to answer now, but did you watch the last two videos I posted?
lauraC
22-01-2011, 02:36 PM
Not at all true ... while watching during the summer Ben thought Dave was fine but much as I liked and respected Ben I knew all the way through that I profoundly disagreed with his assessment of Dave ...
Liking Ben is one thing ... but sharing his judgement of character ... well it really is not one of his strong points ... is it ... ?
Vodka drinker wouldn't have started this topic if ben had been attending the gloryfest, I think Dave is a charlatan and a conman, it's wrong what he does but his friends wont see dave in the same way that an outsider will do, they will trust him and just think he's whacky but harmless, maybe after the fest they might see things from a different perspective who knows but i think it's wrong to attack Dave's friends for what dave does
BIB 1. Who are you talking about now?
BIB 2. Which is exactly why we're perfectly entitled to RESEARCH and then comment upon a BB housemates in a - well would you look at that - BB FORUM.
BIB 3. Who was it who handcuffed your wrists to the keyboard? Is anyone forcing you to join in the discussion? It's a discussion board, funnily enough, on which people voice opinions. That's what happens. No-one's imposing anything on anyone.
Only if you want to answer now, but did you watch the last two videos I posted?
Yes it's a discussion board, we're discussing Dave here, I'm giving my opinion and you're giving yours, what's the problem here?
Anyway, I'm just going to have agree to disagree with you lot or it's just going to go round in circles
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 02:42 PM
Vodka drinker wouldn't have started this topic if ben had been attending the gloryfest, I think Dave is a charlatan and a conman, it's wrong what he does but his friends wont see dave in the same way that an outsider will do, they will trust him and just think he's whacky but harmless, maybe after the fest they might see things from a different perspective who knows but i think it's wrong to attack Dave's friends for what dave does
But ... err ... that is not what they are doing ...
They are pointing out (attacking?) the way in which the HMs with a large following of impressionable underage girls are encouraging them to attend a fairly 'whacky' (charitable assessment) and possibly dangerous (already acknowledged by fans at the event this morning - it is getting scary ...) event
pices
22-01-2011, 02:42 PM
Vodka drinker wouldn't have started this topic if ben had been attending the gloryfest, I think Dave is a charlatan and a conman, it's wrong what he does but his friends wont see dave in the same way that an outsider will do, they will trust him and just think he's whacky but harmless, maybe after the fest they might see things from a different perspective who knows but i think it's wrong to attack Dave's friends for what dave does
Vodka would be appalled if Ben were attending GF, but she started this topic because mario was talking about going, fair do's as far as I can see, I know for a fact that she detests Dave and like me and other Ben supporters is glad that Ben has seen the light re Dave, no way on this earth that Vodka would attend, I am not speaking for her, just that I know what she thinks about Dave, and you should not be attacking or insulting other forum members , stick to the topic which is housemates.
lauraC
22-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Vodka would be appalled if Ben were attending GF, but she started this topic because mario was talking about going, fair do's as far as I can see, I know for a fact that she detests Dave and like me and other Ben supporters is glad that Ben has seen the light re Dave, no way on this earth that Vodka would attend, I am not speaking for her, just that I know what she thinks about Dave, and you should not be attacking or insulting other forum members , stick to the topic which is housemates.
Vodka drinker was tweeting dave asking if ben was going, i'm not attacking i'm stating a fact.
lauraC
22-01-2011, 02:45 PM
Vodka drinker wouldn't have started this topic if ben had been attending the gloryfest, I think Dave is a charlatan and a conman, it's wrong what he does but his friends wont see dave in the same way that an outsider will do, they will trust him and just think he's whacky but harmless, maybe after the fest they might see things from a different perspective who knows but i think it's wrong to attack Dave's friends for what dave does
But ... err ... that is not what they are doing ...
They are pointing out (attacking?) the way in which the HMs with a large following of impressionable underage girls are encouraging them to attend a fairly 'whacky' (charitable assessment) and possibly dangerous (already acknowledged by fans at the event this morning - it is getting scary ...) event
on twitter, there have been comments made to both John James and sam which could be considered attacks
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 02:47 PM
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on twitter, there have been comments made to both John James and sam which could be considered attacks
That may well be true indeed ...
But what I am TRYING to point out is that it is not attacking them because of what their 'friend' is doing ... it is attacking them because they are involved in 'luring' their supporters into something which is patently unsavoury and can be seen as so by anyone with any judgement at all
lauraC
22-01-2011, 02:49 PM
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That may well be true indeed ...
But what I am TRYING to point out is that it is not attacking them because of what their 'friend' is doing ... it is attacking them because they are involved in 'luring' their supporters into something which is patently unsavoury and can be seen as so by anyone with any judgement at all
well I don't think they are intentionality luring supporters in to be ripped off I think they are victims, they have been used by dave as pawns to get people to go to his fest.
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Vodka drinker was tweeting dave asking if ben was going, i'm not attacking i'm stating a fact.
Of course that may well have been a bit of a cheeky 'wind-up' ...
Apart from anything else ... she would know that Ben's life is usually pretty full of more interesting events with a little bit more style about them ... :devil:
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 02:51 PM
[QUOTE=Ultra Violet;4066661]
well I don't think they are intentionality luring supporters in to be ripped off I think they are victims, they have been used by dave as pawns to get people to go to his fest.
My heart bleeds for them ... imbecility is such a terrible cross to bear ... :joker:
lauraC
22-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Of course that may well have been a bit of a cheeky 'wind-up' ...
Apart from anything else ... she would know that Ben's life is usually pretty full of more interesting events with a little bit more style about them ... :devil:
ben never challenged dave about his dodgy talk or apparent bull**** how come you are not attacking him now, he was preaching it 24/7 on live feed, Ben heard more about dave and his cult than anyone
Vodka Drinka
22-01-2011, 02:53 PM
Of course that may well have been a bit of a cheeky 'wind-up' ...
Apart from anything else ... she would know that Ben's life is usually pretty full of more interesting events with a little bit more style about them ... :devil:
Of course I knew that Ben wouldn't have been seen dead at Gloryfest, but I was interested to know what Dave's response would have been to a question about Ben.
I would like to know why Laura is following me on Twitter. Some might call it stalking? The moleholers seem to have a creepy obsession with me. Why are you analyisng everything I say on there?
patsylimerick
22-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Yes it's a discussion board, we're discussing Dave here, I'm giving my opinion and you're giving yours, what's the problem here?
Anyway, I'm just going to have agree to disagree with you lot or it's just going to go round in circles
'the problem' is that you referred to those who disagree with you as Ben obsessives which none of them are and I certainly am not; and also that you accused me of expressing a baseless opinion. Then, when I gave you two videos clearly illustrating the basis for that opinion, you ignored them.
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 02:55 PM
ben never challenged dave about his dodgy talk or apparent bull**** how come you are not attacking him now, he was preaching it 24/7 on live feed
Just read back a few posts, would you ... ?
You will see that I never signed up to Ben's character assessments while he was in the house ... he was never wised up to the awfulness of some of his supposed 'friends' ... though now, with a bit of help, the scales do seem to have fallen from his eyes ... :dance:
Back in the real world he is no longer incarcerated with dolts and dullards and conmen/conwomen or charlatans ... he has a bit more choice and can spend his time with those people with whom he has at least something in common ...
:xyxwave:
lauraC
22-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Of course I knew that Ben wouldn't have been seen dead at Gloryfest, but I was interested to know what Dave's response would have been to a question about Ben.
I would like to know why Laura is following me on Twitter. Some might call it stalking? The moleholers seem to have a creepy obsession with me. Why are you analyisng everything I say on there?
I'm not following you on twitter :-)
lauraC
22-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Just read back a few posts, would you ... ?
You will see that I never signed up to Ben's character assessments while he was in the house ... he was never wised up to the awfulness of some of his supposed 'friends' ... though now, with a bit of help, the scales do seem to have fallen from his eyes ... :dance:
Back in the real world he is no longer incarcerated with dolts and dullards and conmen/conwomen or charlatans ... he has a bit more choice and can spend his time with those people with whom he has at least something in common ...
:xyxwave:
okay so maybe sam and john james have less friends to show them the error of their ways :-) but i think the attacks on twitter are over the top, if they want to attend the gloryfest it's their choice
Vodka Drinka
22-01-2011, 03:00 PM
I'm not following you on twitter :-)
Well then how do you know what Ive said on there then? You must have looked at my page? Why on earth would you look at a page your not following? I suppose you all stalk me don't you? Looking for every tweet that mentions the "M" word? Sorry to disappoint you by mentioning Ben and not your lord Mole:joker:
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 03:01 PM
okay so maybe sam and john james have less friends to show them the error of their ways :-)
No clearly not ... they do not have fewer friends ... but maybe they do not have many close, true friends ... or those myriads of 'friends' that they supposedly have are just not very bright, it would seem ...
The imbecilic fame seeking must have completely addled what was left of JJP and SP's brains ...
:devil:
lauraC
22-01-2011, 03:03 PM
Well then how do you know what Ive said on there then? You must have looked at my page? Why on earth would you look at a page your not following? I suppose you all stalk me don't you? Looking for every tweet that mentions the "M" word? Sorry to disappoint you by mentioning Ben and not your lord Mole:joker:
you tweet mario a lot I can see both sides of the convo
lauraC
22-01-2011, 03:05 PM
No clearly not ... they do not have fewer friends ... but maybe they do not have many close, true friends ... or those myriads of 'friends' that they supposedly have are just not very bright, it would seem ...
The imbecilic fame seeking must have completely addled what was left of JJP and SP's brains ...
:devil:
so you are saying ben is thick without your imput?
Vodka Drinka
22-01-2011, 03:05 PM
you tweet mario a lot I can see both sides of the convo
I don't tweet Mario a lot at all?
It still doesn't explain how you were able to see a message I sent to Dave? Unless that shows up on Mario's newsfeed :rolleyes:
Ultra Violet
22-01-2011, 03:11 PM
so you are saying ben is thick without your imput?
As I said earlier ... character assessment is definitely NOT one of his stronger points ...
We all get good advice from friends sometimes ... and those of us who are wise know when to accept that advice because it is sound ...
I think that you meant input, in which case there is a certain amount of truth in your comment - if giving either Dave or Mario the time of day was a sign of 'thickness' I guess that he is guilty as charged
His nature is fundamentally sweet and accepting - mine is much more waspish and I do tend to spot character flaws pretty quickly
I do not have much time for knaves or fools - Ben is much gentler and sometimes comes to grief as a result ...
lauraC
22-01-2011, 03:11 PM
I don't tweet Mario a lot at all?
It still doesn't explain how you were able to see a message I sent to Dave? Unless that shows up on Mario's newsfeed :rolleyes:
I checked dave's twitter to find out what was going on
Vodka Drinka
22-01-2011, 03:14 PM
I checked dave's twitter to find out what was going on
But my tweet would not be on Dave's page would it? It would be on mine. As you well know ;)
Just keep digging yourself into that bigger whole why don't you:joker: Your making yourself look very stupid right now.
lauraC
22-01-2011, 03:17 PM
But my tweet would not be on Dave's page would it? It would be on mine. As you well know ;)
Just keep digging yourself into that bigger whole why don't you:joker: Your making yourself look very stupid right now.
yeah i have an iphone and when i typed in gloryboybb11 both sides on convo come up, why don't you hide your tweets then only those you stalk/tweet can read them
Vodka Drinka
22-01-2011, 03:23 PM
yeah i have an iphone and when i typed in gloryboybb11 both sides on convo come up, why don't you hide your tweets then only those you stalk/tweet can read them
Yeah right.... keep on digging:joker:
Bit rich of you to accuse me of "stalking" BTW. Pots, kettles and all that ;)
lauraC
22-01-2011, 03:25 PM
Yeah right.... keep on digging:joker:
Bit rich of you to accuse me of "stalking" BTW. Pots, kettles and all that ;)
seriously if you don't hide your tweets it's like posting on a forum anyone can read them
Vodka Drinka
22-01-2011, 03:27 PM
seriously if you don't hide your tweets it's like posting on a forum anyone can read them
I know anyone can read them :rolleyes: But you'd have to specifically look for my page to see what I'd said.
You've pretty much confirmed my suspicions anyway.
lauraC
22-01-2011, 03:29 PM
I know anyone can read them :rolleyes: But you'd have to specifically look for my page to see what I'd said.
You've pretty much confirmed my suspicions anyway.
no you don't
Vodka Drinka
22-01-2011, 03:34 PM
no you don't
Seriously grow up!
patsylimerick
23-01-2011, 01:34 AM
This issue seriously does supercede all hm squabbles.
Can I APPEAL to MTVN and all other Dave defenders to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNGPA6Idopg
Ultra Violet
23-01-2011, 01:55 AM
This issue seriously does supercede all hm squabbles.
Can I APPEAL to MTVN and all other Dave defenders to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNGPA6Idopg
Jackpot Joy ... oi oi oi ...
Only joking ... it brought back some 'oi oi oi' memories because I worked on that commercial ...
This John Crowder raving really is good old fashioned common or garden 'heresy' ... and it makes one realise why it was always viewed as such a terrible and wicked thing ... this ranting seems positively demonic ...
I don't think I have seen many things more sinister than this clip in my life ... :devil:
If the usual suspects write this one off once again as 'just harmless high spirits' delivered by an amusing sort of a bloke then I shall write off the human race ... :cloud:
honeydew
23-01-2011, 08:29 PM
This issue seriously does supercede all hm squabbles.
Can I APPEAL to MTVN and all other Dave defenders to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNGPA6Idopg
What a load complete rubbish, it is clear it is a scam Conning people.
I mean come on who the hell can't see this...complete disgrace..:mad:
Ultra Violet
23-01-2011, 09:07 PM
What a load complete rubbish, it is clear it is a scam Conning people.
I mean come on who the hell can't see this...complete disgrace..:mad:
It is pretty loathsome stuff, isn't it Honeydew ... ? :shocked:
I wonder if anyone can find a link to the video where Crowder is in Wales with Dave (dates back some time) ... they are sitting on a sofa in a modern hotel ... and Dave is simply parrotting after Crowder ... same words ... same intonation ... trying to get the same accent too ...
When I saw it in the summer I was flabbergasted ... and suddenly the shambolic and revolting Dave creature was understandable ... at last, I 'had his number' ...
It explains everything ... this is a revelation ... it shows the 'franchise' in operation ... it is Dave's living ... no more and no less than that ...
Well ... as they say in 'show business' ... it certainly 'beats working' ... ! :conf: :shocked: :dance: :devil:
patsylimerick
23-01-2011, 09:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3Ha1njo
Is this it UV? Here we have claims of Muslims and homosexuals relinquishing themselves to Jesus, along with the claim that a broken foot was healed on the spot. And, of course, at the end, the sales pitch and the hard sell.
Here you go MTVN, this is how they make the money - have a look.
Ultra Violet
23-01-2011, 10:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3Ha1njo
Is this it UV? Here we have claims of Muslims and homosexuals relinquishing themselves to Jesus, along with the claim that a broken foot was healed on the spot. And, of course, at the end, the sales pitch and the hard sell.
Here you go MTVN, this is how they make the money - have a look.
Genius, Pats ... you found it ... the very one ... clever clever clever you ...
I defy ANYONE to play this through and come away feeling that these vile creatures are anything other than very BAD NEWS indeed ...
(vomit icons - many MANY times over ... ) :nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:
James
23-01-2011, 10:47 PM
This issue seriously does supercede all hm squabbles.
Can I APPEAL to MTVN and all other Dave defenders to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNGPA6Idopg
Are you saying what Dave is doing is bad because of heresy and deviating from 'true religion' then? The person that made that video criticising Dave's thing seems to be someone who themself is a religious fundamentalist. Someone that takes the Bible ultra-literally.
And don't want to offend or anything but I found the preacher guy in it quite comical really. 'Yoy Yoy Yoy' lol. It just seems to be some brand of Christian-New Age hybrid. He wasn't exactly being coherent. I don't see why people are taking it seriously. If you saw a drunk politician trying to give a speech on, say, how to run the economy you wouldn't think it had much credibility would you?
patsylimerick
23-01-2011, 10:53 PM
Are you saying what Dave is doing is bad because of heresy and deviating from 'true religion' then? The person that made that video criticising Dave's thing seems to be someone who themself is a religious fundamentalist. Someone that takes the Bible ultra-literally.
And don't want to offend or anything but I found the preacher guy in it quite comical really. 'Yoy Yoy Yoy' lol. It just seems to be some brand of Christian-New Age hybrid. He wasn't exactly being coherent. I don't see why people are taking it seriously. If you saw a drunk politician trying to give a speech on, say, how to run the economy you wouldn't think it had much credibility would you?
I watched the video to watch Crowder. I thought it was superfluous to point out the bias of the edit - it being that bloody obvious. And no, I don't think Crowder has any credibility, but it's not people like me we should be worred about, is it?
Ultra Violet
23-01-2011, 10:53 PM
Are you saying what Dave is doing is bad because of heresy and deviating from 'true religion' then? The person that made that video criticising Dave's thing seems to be someone who themself is a religious fundamentalist. Someone that takes the Bible ultra-literally.
And don't want to offend or anything but I found the preacher guy in it quite comical really. 'Yoy Yoy Yoy' lol. It just seems to be some brand of Christian-New Age hybrid. He wasn't exactly being coherent. I don't see why people are taking it seriously. If you saw a drunk politician trying to give a speech on, say, how to run the economy you wouldn't think it had much credibility would you?
Comical ... ?
You canNOT be serious ... ?
No more to say on that one then ... :xyxwave:
Perhaps the next one with Vaughan and Crowder snuggled on the sofas will amuse you too ... all a good laugh, eh?
Why not google Jonestown in Guyana ... see how many people drank that Kool-Aid ... always a good giggle, I find ...
patsylimerick
23-01-2011, 10:57 PM
Also, James, take a look at the most recent video posted above; now, if this cretin hadn't been on BB I wouldn't give two hoots.
However, Ch4 for some inexplicable reason decided to actively pursue him and grant him a platform for this shoite. Then, this weekend, teenagers flocked to Gloryfester to catch a glimpse of Pepper and JJ. All because the producers of a TV show thought, much like yourself I'm assuming, hey, it's all just a bit of harmless fun. It's not, IMO. It's dangerous, exploitative and potentially mentally damaging for the very vulnerable and the extremely naive. I'm simply one of many people endeavouring to ensure that anyone who is interested is armed with the facts in relation to that utter, utter idiot, Dave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3Ha1njo
Is this it UV? Here we have claims of Muslims and homosexuals relinquishing themselves to Jesus, along with the claim that a broken foot was healed on the spot. And, of course, at the end, the sales pitch and the hard sell.
Here you go MTVN, this is how they make the money - have a look.
Nah doesnt change my opinion of Dave at all I'm afraid. The only thing that has angered me is that I just wasted 10 minutes watching that load of crap. That was just Dave rambling on about the glory, do I believe everything he said? No, of course not, but it doesnt bother me that he said it.
That was no different to any other program they show on those God channels, it's people going on about how great God is and why shouldnt they? Noone is forced to watch that and they have paid and produced it themselves. That bit at the end was bog-standard advertising. As I said, no different to any other preacher or God channel, they're advertising their products, money doesnt grown on tress you know.
Ultra Violet
23-01-2011, 11:07 PM
Nah doesnt change my opinion of Dave at all I'm afraid. The only thing that has angered me is that I just wasted 10 minutes watching that load of crap. That was just Dave rambling on about the glory, do I believe everything he said? No, of course not, but it doesnt bother me that he said it.
That was no different to any other program they show on those God channels, it's people going on about how great God is and why shouldnt they? Noone is forced to watch that and they have paid and produced it themselves. That bit at the end was bog-standard advertising. As I said, no different to any other preacher or God channel, they're advertising their products, money doesnt grown on tress you know.
OK ... well you have made it well and truly clear the way in which you look at the world ... so that is that ... for you ...
But many many other people are deeply nonplussed that Channel 4 gave free and unlimited airtime (on live feed) to a fraud/horror story like Dave Vaughan
The worst of it being that he was TOTALLY protected in all the highlights shows with NONE of his real awfulness ever being presented to a public who laboured under the illusion that he was a harmless and amusing eccentric
Whether you go along with the above description of Dave or not, a lot of discriminating viewers were given the heebeejeebees when they saw what Dave was actually all about ...
Not good ... truly ... NOT good at all ...
Also very hard to fathom how/why it happened ... which somehow makes it much much worse ...
:devil:
patsylimerick
23-01-2011, 11:13 PM
Nah doesnt change my opinion of Dave at all I'm afraid. The only thing that has angered me is that I just wasted 10 minutes watching that load of crap. That was just Dave rambling on about the glory, do I believe everything he said? No, of course not, but it doesnt bother me that he said it.
That was no different to any other program they show on those God channels, it's people going on about how great God is and why shouldnt they? Noone is forced to watch that and they have paid and produced it themselves. That bit at the end was bog-standard advertising. As I said, no different to any other preacher or God channel, they're advertising their products, money doesnt grown on tress you know.
So we should encourage egotistical no-mark twats who have fan-girl followings because of reality TV to actively encourage teenagers to attend events where people fall down 'drunk' on the 'glory' - and then get actually pissed at the bar; before heading off for another Carribean cruise paid for by their parents' credit cards? Just in case you missed this earlier - if this cretin hadn't been on BB I wouldn't give two hoots.
However, Ch4 for some inexplicable reason decided to actively pursue him and grant him a platform for this shoite. Then, this weekend, teenagers flocked to Gloryfester to catch a glimpse of Pepper and JJ. All because the producers of a TV show thought, much like yourself I'm assuming, hey, it's all just a bit of harmless fun. It's not, IMO. It's dangerous, exploitative and potentially mentally damaging for the very vulnerable and the extremely naive. I'm simply one of many people endeavouring to ensure that anyone who is interested is armed with the facts in relation to that utter, utter idiot, Dave.
OK ... well you have made it well and truly clear the way in which you look at the world ... so that is that ... for you ...
But many many other people are deeply nonplussed that Channel 4 gave free and unlimited airtime (on live feed) to a fraud/horror story like Dave Vaughan
The worst of it being that he was TOTALLY protected in all the highlights shows with NONE of his real awfulness ever being presented to a public who laboured under the illusion that he was a harmless and amusing eccentric
Whether you go along with the above description of Dave or not, a lot of discriminating viewers were given the heebeejeebees when they saw what Dave was actually all about ...
Not good ... truly ... NOT good at all ...
Also very hard to fathom how/why it happened ... which somehow makes it much much worse ...
:devil:
Turn on any God/Religious channel right now and I can gurantee you it wont be much different than that clip of Dave
Whenever you cut 24 hours down to an hour of highlights a lot will be left out. Dave was chosen because he was a complete oddball, I dont believe there was any conspiracy there. Why shouldnt he have been shown on live feed, because you diagree because his religous beliefs? People can make up their own mind on that, they dont need you to protect them from themselves. Most will see it and think "What a moron", and his views hold no credibility with the vast majority. You're just making a storm in a teacup here/
Ultra Violet
23-01-2011, 11:20 PM
Turn on any God/Religious channel right now and I can gurantee you it wont be much different than that clip of Dave
Whenever you cut 24 hours down to an hour of highlights a lot will be left out. Dave was chosen because he was a complete oddball, I dont believe there was any conspiracy there. Why shouldnt he have been shown on live feed, because you diagree because his religous beliefs? People can make up their own mind on that, they dont need you to protect them from themselves. Most will see it and think "What a moron", and his views hold no credibility with the vast majority. You're just making a storm in a teacup here/
Did you watch Live Feed? Did you clock the edits which he got ... and what was omitted?
I ask this in genuine curiosity ...
Once more - what is out there ( and there is a load of it in the US - and it does a lot of harm ) is neither here nor there - as it is NOT ON BIG BROTHER
That is the crux of the matter ... this is a BIG BROTHER FORUM
Capisce ... ?
honeydew
23-01-2011, 11:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3Ha1njo
Is this it UV? Here we have claims of Muslims and homosexuals relinquishing themselves to Jesus, along with the claim that a broken foot was healed on the spot. And, of course, at the end, the sales pitch and the hard sell.
Here you go MTVN, this is how they make the money - have a look.
Comical ... ?
You canNOT be serious ... ?
No more to say on that one then ... :xyxwave:
Perhaps the next one with Vaughan and Crowder snuggled on the sofas will amuse you too ... all a good laugh, eh?
Why not google Jonestown in Guyana ... see how many people drank that Kool-Aid ... always a good giggle, I find ...
I watched the video to watch Crowder. I thought it was superfluous to point out the bias of the edit - it being that bloody obvious. And no, I don't think Crowder has any credibility, but it's not people like me we should be worred about, is it?
OK ... well you have made it well and truly clear the way in which you look at the world ... so that is that ... for you ...
But many many other people are deeply nonplussed that Channel 4 gave free and unlimited airtime (on live feed) to a fraud/horror story like Dave Vaughan
The worst of it being that he was TOTALLY protected in all the highlights shows with NONE of his real awfulness ever being presented to a public who laboured under the illusion that he was a harmless and amusing eccentric
Whether you go along with the above description of Dave or not, a lot of discriminating viewers were given the heebeejeebees when they saw what Dave was actually all about ...
Not good ... truly ... NOT good at all ...
Also very hard to fathom how/why it happened ... which somehow makes it much much worse ...
:devil:
Well come on it does not take much to look at evidence..!!!!
Glory bull**** a complete CON. Dave is a con man ..
The sadest thing this the publicity the (B****d )got , on youbtube got him in to the Big Brother house , it was sheer publiicy and PEJ WERE not aware of. :conf:
He will continue doing as Long as he can get away with it . I have seen the vidoes on Youtube ON HIS WHEELCHAIR . complete deceiving man.:sleep:
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