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I presume most of you have seen the tragic case currently in the news about the healthy 3 year old who died of swine flu and the very brave parents' appeal to people to make sure they immunise their children?
Well, has anybody actually tried to GET the vaccine. I spent almost all morning on the phone trying to get it for my daughter.. My nhs doc surgery don't do it so they told me to get in touch with Boots or Asda pharmacy as they were doing it. I phoned every pharmacy in my vicinity, only to conclude that they have all been instructed not to order any more in..
I tried Bupa and various other private practices before finally tracking some down in Edinburgh where she is having it done on Monday (for a rather steep I though £60!)
Last year the Scottish gov said they had stockpiled enough of the vaccine to immunise everybody! Where has it all gone?
My son was offered it last year as he was under 5 but surely they should be doiing all children as a precaution, particularly as another oubreak is imminent?! (27 people have died from it already this year in Scotland!)
Anyway! Rant over! :D
Beastie
14-01-2011, 01:05 PM
The jab should be available for everyone for free.
Niamh.
14-01-2011, 01:06 PM
Well, both my kids were offered it through school last year. I was unsure about the vaccine so I asked a friend of my mothers who's husband is a doctor and she said that they have not and will not be getting their kids vaccinated. I decided against having my kids vaccinated for it in the end.
I think I've already had Swine Flu, not really sure though. The risk has been exaggerated though, I think I read that more people die from normal flu than they do swine flu
Sunday
14-01-2011, 01:14 PM
No-one can get it where I am either.
I had it, but with the normal flu jab I have every year.
Well, both my kids were offered it through school last year. I was unsure about the vaccine so I asked a friend of my mothers who's husband is a doctor and she said that they have not and will not be getting their kids vaccinated. I decided against having my kids vaccinated for it in the end.
Yeah, I know a few people who don't vaccinate their children at all, which is fair enough; it's their decision. I did a lot of research during the mmr panic and both my kids had it in the end...
I spoke to my gp re the swine flu vaccine and she said she couldn't advise me as it was my decision but her little one had had it, as had she (she was pregnant)
I think I've already had Swine Flu, not really sure though. The risk has been exaggerated though, I think I read that more people die from normal flu than they do swine flu
It's not just the risk of death that bothers me; My friend has it just now which has developed into pneumonia AND pleurasy and she says she wouldn't wish how she feels on her worst enemy.. Says she'll never complain over a cold or normal flu again.
I think the vaccine my daughter is having immunises against the normal flu too, so it's just peace of mind for me.
Sunday
14-01-2011, 01:20 PM
I think I've already had Swine Flu, not really sure though. The risk has been exaggerated though, I think I read that more people die from normal flu than they do swine flu
But if you do get it, its really nasty. Everyone should have the option of a normal flu jab too.
Niamh.
14-01-2011, 01:28 PM
Yeah, I know a few people who don't vaccinate their children at all, which is fair enough; it's their decision. I did a lot of research during the mmr panic and both my kids had it in the end...
I spoke to my gp re the swine flu vaccine and she said she couldn't advise me as it was my decision but her little one had had it, as had she (she was pregnant)
I'm not against vaccines in general, my kids have all the other ones (mmr etc) The problem with this one was that it was so new and hadn't been tested properly and had made some people ill. They were in such a rush to get it out there last year, I was just very unsure about it
I'm not against vaccines in general, my kids have all the other ones (mmr etc) The problem with this one was that it was so new and hadn't been tested properly and had made some people ill. They were in such a rush to get it out there last year, I was just very unsure about it
Yeah, I know what you mean.I was a bit unsure because of it's newness, but then we got a letter home from school saying there were 2 cases of swine flu in the school, and I just thought oh bugger it.. What if the worst happened, would I be able to forgive myself.. so he got marched to the doctors straight away. I know it's quite a tricky decision to make but I have to say he was neither up nor down with it.. :)
Niamh.
14-01-2011, 01:49 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean.I was a bit unsure because of it's newness, but then we got a letter home from school saying there were 2 cases of swine flu in the school, and I just thought oh bugger it.. What if the worst happened, would I be able to forgive myself.. so he got marched to the doctors straight away. I know it's quite a tricky decision to make but I have to say he was neither up nor down with it.. :)
well, thankfully there wasn't actually any cases of it in my kids schools, I may have changed my mind about if there was.
arista
14-01-2011, 03:16 PM
I think I've already had Swine Flu, not really sure though. The risk has been exaggerated though, I think I read that more people die from normal flu than they do swine flu
Yes and Evey year amounts of people Die from this.
That mother was angry
that her child did not get the injection.
But the rules will not change over her very sad loss.
She was on Daybreak
and after each time talking to her Live they went
to there Doctor Hilary who said the rules will not change
if only he could debate with her.
Sign Of The Times.
Bloody hell.. was just talking to one of the dads down at the school and one of his colleagues jus died from swine flu!! 48 years old and healthy. :(
Niamh.
14-01-2011, 03:23 PM
Bloody hell.. was just talking to one of the dads down at the school and one of his colleagues jus died from swine flu!! 48 years old and healthy. :(
really?:shocked: cos there was a doctor on the local radio here this morning that said only people suffering from something else (obesity, diabetes etc) are in danger. We have had as many cases here as ye though and I don't think anyone has died from it this time round either
Stacey.
14-01-2011, 03:26 PM
I think I read that more people die from normal flu than they do swine flu
:o
*holds Jack*
really?:shocked: cos there was a doctor on the local radio here this morning that said only people suffering from something else (obesity, diabetes etc) are in danger. We have had as many cases here as ye though and I don't think anyone has died from it this time round either
Yeah thats what we keep getting told, but that's two cases I've heard of now of perfectly healthy people dying from it! Yikes
:o
*holds Jack*
:(
Has Jack got flu?
Stacey.
14-01-2011, 03:31 PM
:(
Has Jack got flu?
Not anymore, but he did have :L
Patrick
14-01-2011, 03:31 PM
The Jab does ****** all.
All it gives is more harm than good, It doesn't keep you immune in the slightest.
The Jab does ****** all.
All it gives is more harm than good, It doesn't keep you immune in the slightest.
How so??
Niamh.
14-01-2011, 03:36 PM
Yeah thats what we keep getting told, but that's two cases I've heard of now of perfectly healthy people dying from it! Yikes
Jesus! I don't know, I don't know what to believe anymore :/
Jesus! I don't know, I don't know what to believe anymore :/
I know! It's really difficult!
And now bloody Patrick is telling the the vaccine doesn't actually work! :nono:
Niamh.
14-01-2011, 03:42 PM
I know! It's really difficult!
And now bloody Patrick is telling the the vaccine doesn't actually work! :nono:
well, when it first came out i heard that the vaccine they were giving out wasn't even made for swine flu but that was probably just rumour:conf:
arista
14-01-2011, 03:43 PM
The Jab does ****** all.
All it gives is more harm than good, It doesn't keep you immune in the slightest.
Some Parents do not Trust it,
let alone Angry Pat.
So there is a fair amount that are not with it
Jack_
14-01-2011, 03:59 PM
:o
*holds Jack*
-holds back-
:bawling: :love:
Angus
14-01-2011, 04:07 PM
I know! It's really difficult!
And now bloody Patrick is telling the the vaccine doesn't actually work! :nono:
And he graduated from which medical school?:joker:
Well I had the jab in October because I'm apparently in one of most at risk groups as I'm asthmatic, as is one of my sons. But I do think all kids under 5 at least should have it.
I read somewhere today that they are on the brink of producing a vaccine which will give protection against ALL flu strains, but what's the point if it's not going to be available to everyone?
And he graduated from which medical school?:joker:
Well I had the jab in October because I'm apparently in one of most at risk groups as I'm asthmatic, as is one of my sons. But I do think all kids under 5 at least should have it.
I read somewhere today that they are on the brink of producing a vaccine which will give protection against ALL flu strains, but what's the point if it's not going to be available to everyone?
:joker:
Yeah they did my son last year as he was under 5, but I don't really like just one of them being immunised and not the other one.. The docs surgery did say she could have it on the nhs if she was asthmatic (which she' snot)
But as you say, what is the point in spending the time and the money researching this sort of thing then devloping a vaccine if it's not actually widely available. it's just daft!
billy123
14-01-2011, 06:39 PM
I wouldnt touch the vaccine with a barge pole in 1976 there was an outbreak of swine flu that started on a military base in america so the american goverment wanted to give everbody the vaccine but they abandoned it after 10 weeks after realising the vaccine caused guillain-Barre syndrome a neurological condition that paralysed 500 people and killed 25.
-More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
-500 cases of GBS were detected.
-The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
-The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
-The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.
http://healthandsurvival.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-vaccine-of-1976-more-harm-than-good/
The 1976 pandemic never materialised and the swine flu was found to be less serious than normal flu which kills between 250,000 to 500,000 every year.
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Kerry
14-01-2011, 08:29 PM
I was offered it last year (though it might have been the general flu jab) but turned it down. I know my docs has it as I was in there today and heard someone making an appointment to have it
MrGaryy
14-01-2011, 08:37 PM
I got it in school last year as did about half of my school. My friend has a suspected case at the moment, her uncle definitely has it and she's visited him recently so it's quite likely that she indeed has it :/
I never had it but most people in my old school got it when vaccines were offered for absoloutely no reason. The idiots just saw it as some sort of 'event'. Ohhh I know let's go and get a ****ing needle it will be great. I sat it out. I don't need it.
Shaun
14-01-2011, 08:51 PM
it's made me paranoid about this cough I've just got :(
Kerry
14-01-2011, 08:53 PM
it's made me paranoid about this cough I've just got :(
Thats the news for you. Scare the living crap out of people
MrGaryy
14-01-2011, 09:08 PM
I never had it but most people in my old school got it when vaccines were offered for absoloutely no reason. The idiots just saw it as some sort of 'event'. Ohhh I know let's go and get a ****ing needle it will be great. I sat it out. I don't need it.
well I mean you can never be too safe right? :spin: my way of thinking was, if they're handing out free vaccination why not get it?
well I mean you can never be too safe right? :spin: my way of thinking was, if they're handing out free vaccination why not get it?
Because injections make me **** bricks and it is essentially the sensationalist sniffles.
Shasown
14-01-2011, 10:45 PM
I wouldnt touch the vaccine with a barge pole in 1976 there was an outbreak of swine flu that started on a military base in america so the american goverment wanted to give everbody the vaccine but they abandoned it after 10 weeks after realising the vaccine caused guillain-Barre syndrome a neurological condition that paralysed 500 people and killed 25.
-More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
-500 cases of GBS were detected.
-The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
-The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
-The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.
http://healthandsurvival.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-vaccine-of-1976-more-harm-than-good/
The 1976 pandemic never materialised and the swine flu was found to be less serious than normal flu which kills between 250,000 to 500,000 every year.
Now thats what I call sensationalism and panic mongering.
Dont you think in the twenty odd years since that pandemic, the understanding of viruses, protection against them, vaccine production methods, safety standards and testing have advanced just a little, or do you think technology only advanced in the communications industry?
InOne
14-01-2011, 10:51 PM
Bring it on Swine Flu
billy123
15-01-2011, 04:16 AM
Now thats what I call sensationalism and panic mongering.
Dont you think in the twenty odd years since that pandemic, the understanding of viruses, protection against them, vaccine production methods, safety standards and testing have advanced just a little, or do you think technology only advanced in the communications industry?
No not sensationalism just facts like them or not.
You would hope standards and testing have advanced and that lessons were learnt but another fact is that its another untested vaccine.
You talk about sensationalism just type "swine flu" into google then click the news tab now that is sensationalism!
A relatively mild strain strain of influenza that causes problems to a tiny fraction of the amount of people that contract it compared to seasonal influenza that kills half a million people a year FACT.
When was the last time you heard people getting worried and rushing out to seek a vaccine because they heard somebody they knew might have caught seasonal flu???? and that is by far the more serious of the two strains of influenza.
And you talk about sensationalism :conf:
Shasown
15-01-2011, 02:48 PM
No not sensationalism just facts like them or not.
You would hope standards and testing have advanced and that lessons were learnt but another fact is that its another untested vaccine.
You talk about sensationalism just type "swine flu" into google then click the news tab now that is sensationalism!
A relatively mild strain strain of influenza that causes problems to a tiny fraction of the amount of people that contract it compared to seasonal influenza that kills half a million people a year FACT.
When was the last time you heard people getting worried and rushing out to seek a vaccine because they heard somebody they knew might have caught seasonal flu???? and that is by far the more serious of the two strains of influenza.
And you talk about sensationalism :conf:
No not facts, what can only be described as half truths.
You mentioned Guillain-Barre syndrome and stated it was responsible for 500 cases, what you failed to mention that there was no link established by anyone as to whether a naturally occuring disorder was caused by the vaccine.
Heres something you probably dont know about GBS - in 1976 there were over 1000 cases recorded in the US.
Overall, there were 1098 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) recorded nationwide by CDC surveillance, 532 of which occurred after vaccination and 543 before vaccination. There are about one to two cases of GBS per 100,000 people every year, whether or not people have been vaccinated
Due to the numbers of people vaccinated, In total, 48,161,019 Americans, or just over 22% of the US population were vaccinated, this would put 1 in 105,000 individuals who were vaccinated as possibly reacting and developing GBS. That puts the vaccine causing possibility in the same risk area as it naturally occuring.
Numerous studies have since shown no increased risk of developing GBS occured after being vaccinated against H1N1.(see the cdc and doi links at the bottom of this post)
However studies have shown people who received the 1976 virus at that time do have significantally increased resistance to the current swine flu virus
The current vaccine is totally different from the 1976 version, you see in making a vaccine they take antibodies from the current virus mutation otherwise the vaccine wouldnt be up to date and would be only mildly effective.
The current seasonal flu vaccine not only protects against H1N1 it also protects against two other strains, Influenza B and H3N2. The WHO classifies H1N1 as being the seasonal flu threat. Most of the deaths this season in the UK have been related to H1N1 (45 of 50 deaths since October).
Saying that, in some areas the seasonal flu vaccine is running low, so they are using the 2009 stockpiles that were made specifically for the H1N1 pandemic that occured in 2009-2010, it's shelf life means it will only start to lose its effectiveness after Nov 2011.
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=7361749
http://www.census.gov/popest/archives/1990s/popclockest.txt
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=463869
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/gbs_qa.htm
http://dx.doi.org/10.2165%2F00002018-200932040-00005
http://dx.doi.org/10.1001%2Fjama.248.6.698
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2011/01January/Pages/h1n1-swine-flu-vaccination-in-2011.aspx
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