View Full Version : Predujice against Muslims "Now Acceptable"
Crimson Dynamo
20-01-2011, 11:36 AM
http://www.channel4.com/news/prejudice-against-muslims-is-socially-acceptable
Prejudice against Muslims has "passed the dinner table test" and is seen as socially acceptable in Britain, Baroness Warsi - the first Muslim woman in the Cabinet - will say.
Well she would say it but perhaps she should look at why first and keep her trap shut or open it when terrorists in the ridiculous name of Islam kill British people.
deal with the cause first
InOne
20-01-2011, 11:44 AM
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4064041#post4064041
Crimson Dynamo
20-01-2011, 12:58 PM
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4064041#post4064041
just for balance
i would not want any muslim supporters to miss an opportunity to defend their faith
InOne
20-01-2011, 01:49 PM
It's annoying how random Islamic nonsense like this always seems to pop in the news now and then :bored: Muslims love the limelight eh
I can see her point. It's not nice for the overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims who get branded as terrorists because of a stupid few that latch onto a ridiculous 'cause' that they don't understand, they just want to make a statement. I don't really approve of religion as a concept because I think it causes more problems than it solves, but it'd help if people could drop their prejudice and preconceived ideas...
InOne
20-01-2011, 01:55 PM
I can see her point. It's not nice for the overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims who get branded as terrorists because of a stupid few that latch onto a ridiculous 'cause' that they don't understand, they just want to make a statement. I don't really approve of religion as a concept because I think it causes more problems than it solves, but it'd help if people could drop their prejudice and preconceived ideas...
That is a myth. Who are these people that supposedly brand them?
Crimson Dynamo
20-01-2011, 02:12 PM
I can see her point. It's not nice for the overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims who get branded as terrorists because of a stupid few that latch onto a ridiculous 'cause' that they don't understand, they just want to make a statement. I don't really approve of religion as a concept because I think it causes more problems than it solves, but it'd help if people could drop their prejudice and preconceived ideas...
It might help if we saw a few more out in demonstrations against terrorists, or supporting this country instead of hiding away making ghettos and trying their level best to be not British
That is a myth. Who are these people that supposedly brand them?
Making comments like "Muslims love the limelight" are exactly what I'm talking about - making sweeping statements that are lined with prejudice. I read your comments in the other thread, saying that Muslims "change areas", "make them dirty" and "have a lower standard of living than us" which, again, are prejudiced comments. Maybe that is your experience of Muslim people and I'm sorry that you feel that way, but what Baroness Warsi is saying is that the media are very flippant when discussing Muslims and help to perpetuate these negative connotations; causing people such as yourself to make statements like that without even questioning that they might be controversial and prejudiced.
It might help if we saw a few more out in demonstrations against terrorists, or supporting this country instead of hiding away making ghettos and trying their level best to be not British
I agree that Muslims need to help themselves firstly and foremostly; I have Muslim friends who have made every effort to integrate as best they can (that is to say, within the boundaries of their faith - e.g. making friends with non-Muslims but not drinking alcohol at social occasions, for example.)
arista
20-01-2011, 02:24 PM
I can see her point. It's not nice for the overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims who get branded as terrorists because of a stupid few that latch onto a ridiculous 'cause' that they don't understand, they just want to make a statement. I don't really approve of religion as a concept because I think it causes more problems than it solves, but it'd help if people could drop their prejudice and preconceived ideas...
She is a Top Woriking Muslims
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Shaun
20-01-2011, 02:35 PM
I don't understand how this can be described as "prejudice" tbh. Religion is a choice :bored:
joeysteele
20-01-2011, 02:57 PM
I find Baroness Warsi the most patronising and condescending person if front line politics at the present time. While she may have a point in some instances there is as much vice versa too.
I think she does have a point, even if all Muslims arent necessarily branded terrorists, they are often tarred with the same brush. You often see headlines saying "Muslims want to ban Christmas" or something like that, the Daily Express is especially bad for it. And there is a bit of a "them and us" attitude among a lot of Brits towards Muslims I think.
InOne
20-01-2011, 03:34 PM
Making comments like "Muslims love the limelight" are exactly what I'm talking about - making sweeping statements that are lined with prejudice. I read your comments in the other thread, saying that Muslims "change areas", "make them dirty" and "have a lower standard of living than us" which, again, are prejudiced comments. Maybe that is your experience of Muslim people and I'm sorry that you feel that way, but what Baroness Warsi is saying is that the media are very flippant when discussing Muslims and help to perpetuate these negative connotations; causing people such as yourself to make statements like that without even questioning that they might be controversial and prejudiced.
Those comments I made are true. Because I live in a city with a very high population of Muslims and I live in a Muslim area. I've seen it happen through the years, they are by my own personal experience.
It's mostly every day life for people, as has been said before, the Muslim community needs to make an effort as well, it needs to work both ways. Why do we never hear about the Jews in the media yet they live a lot like Muslims in the way they segregate themselves, there must be something different within the Muslim community for it to happen. It's also a mix of over PC people giving Muslims privilegdes and changing things that they didn't even ask for.
Maybe she should just get to the root of it, the people who actually write these stories? Instead of making a big song and dance with a speech and probably ending up causing muslims more aggro.
InOne
20-01-2011, 03:36 PM
I think she does have a point, even if all Muslims arent necessarily branded terrorists, they are often tarred with the same brush. You often see headlines saying "Muslims want to ban Christmas" or something like that, the Daily Express is especially bad for it. And there is a bit of a "them and us" attitude among a lot of Brits towards Muslims I think.
That works both ways.
arista
20-01-2011, 03:42 PM
I don't understand how this can be described as "prejudice" tbh. Religion is a choice :bored:
She sits at meetings with white trash
Do you not get her Vibe
Fit Shaun
Judas
20-01-2011, 04:16 PM
That is a myth. Who are these people that supposedly brand them?
Muslims love the limelight eh
Muslims make no effort whatsoever to intergrate into the community. Also they change areas and make them dirty, seems they have a lower standard of living than us.
The problem is not all muslims are as good as her
many are wanting to Blow us up.
Yourself and robo-twat arista are some of these people. Some of these views are so ignorant, seriously, open your eyes. You sound like a modern adaptation of a Nazi trying to say that muslims make an area dirty, or have a lower standard of living. Seriously, form some constructive opinions if your going to hold any at all.
InOne
20-01-2011, 04:18 PM
Yourself and robo-twat arista are some of these people. Some of these views are so ignorant, seriously, open your eyes. You sound like a modern adaptation of a Nazi trying to say that muslims make an area dirty, or have a lower standard of living. Seriously, form some constructive opinions if your going to hold any at all.
A Nazi? lol
Not like I'm wishing death upon them or anything.
Judas
20-01-2011, 04:20 PM
A Nazi? lol
Not like I'm wishing death upon them or anything.
Yes, but your branding them all as one and hold a unjustified and negative stereoype of them. Your also basically trying to blame any random problem upon Muslims - even the fact that where your live is dirty.
InOne
20-01-2011, 04:24 PM
Yes, but your branding them all as one and hold a unjustified and negative stereoype of them. Your also basically trying to blame any random problem upon Muslims - even the fact that where your live is dirty.
Nope, going by their supermarkets and various other establishments. I can only go by what I see, what is the point in me lying?
You seem the UAF type, who like to make arguments over nothing and actually cause loads of trouble yourself. You base your PC opinions on nothing, or bounce off my informed opinions and turn it upside down. It doesn't work with me...
Judas
20-01-2011, 04:38 PM
Nope, going by their supermarkets and various other establishments. I can only go by what I see, what is the point in me lying?
You seem the UAF type, who like to make arguments over nothing and actually cause loads of trouble yourself. You base your PC opinions on nothing, or bounce off my informed opinions and turn it upside down. It doesn't work with me...
Oh sorry, I didn't realise that trying to say all Muslims aren't dirty counted as being 'PC'. I just thought it was being, well, fair and unstereotypical. I think you need to research what 'PC' means if you think my views are held just to be politcally correct. Your views are not politically correct, yes, but they are also ignorant, stupid, unjustified and bigoted... I think you need to draw the difference.
You say you can 'only go by what I see' - you obviously don't see enough of the world, and what you do see obviously cannot be through very open eyes. Unless, of course, you live in stereotype city where Mohammed has a bomb in his turban and blows up the corner shop everytime he pops out to but the latest edition of the Quaran, nobody is employed as all the jobs are taken by 'them poles' and every religious figure nearby has 10 children locked in their closet.
InOne
20-01-2011, 04:43 PM
Oh sorry, I didn't realise that trying to say all Muslims aren't dirty counted as being 'PC'. I just thought it was being, well, fair and unstereotypical. I think you need to research what 'PC' means if you think my views are held just to be politcally correct. Your views are not politically correct, yes, but they are also ignorant, stupid, unjustified and bigoted... I think you need to draw the difference.
You say you can 'only go by what I see' - you obviously don't see enough of the world, and what you do see obviously cannot be through very open eyes. Unless, of course, you live in stereotype city where Mohammed has a bomb in his turban and blows up the corner shop everytime he pops out to but the latest edition of the Quaran, nobody is employed as all the jobs are taken by 'them poles' and every religious figure nearby has 10 children locked in their closet.
You're changing what I said. And you use the old bring in more irrlevent points tactic. It's not about seeing more of the world or how I portray it, it's what happens. Why do I need to compare my own city with anywhere else whilst I'm living there, what is the point in that?
And what the hell is your last paragraph even about? lol Seems a little off topic and makes me think you don't really have much to say or a point to make.
Judas
20-01-2011, 04:48 PM
You're changing what I said. And you use the old bring in more irrlevent points tactic. It's not about seeing more of the world or how I portray it, it's what happens. Why do I need to compare my own city with anywhere else whilst I'm living there, what is the point in that?
And what the hell is your last paragraph even about? lol Seems a little off topic and makes me think you don't really have much to say or a point to make.
Sorry, I can see how it may seem like I am doing an arista and going off topic. The last topic was me using humour to strengthen my point to highlight how ignorant you are being when you branded all muslims as dirty, and as having lower living standards than us. You were being stereotypical.
You argue that "It's not about seeing more of the world or how I portray it, it's what happens" - then I refer you to my early claims, you need to open your eyes. It is not what happens - at least, not on the majority case you make it out to be.
InOne
20-01-2011, 04:58 PM
Sorry, I can see how it may seem like I am doing an arista and going off topic. The last topic was me using humour to strengthen my point to highlight how ignorant you are being when you branded all muslims as dirty, and as having lower living standards than us. You were being stereotypical.
You argue that "It's not about seeing more of the world or how I portray it, it's what happens" - then I refer you to my early claims, you need to open your eyes. It is not what happens - at least, not on the majority case you make it out to be.
It's not stereotypical, it might just be in the areas I live in it happens who knows, but I doubt it is. That isn't being stereotypical it's going by personal experience. I'm not gonna go round every city just to see lol
And I said the areas are dirty not the people themselves.
I love the overuse of the nonchalant 'lol' and the 'the person who disagrees with me is just being PC' stuff you always use when someone dares question the fact that you might just be a *teeny* bit prejudice in your views towards Muslims.
BB_Eye
20-01-2011, 09:00 PM
I never ever thought I would end up agreeing with Baroness Warsi on anything, but there you go.
Make no mistake though, beneath the facade of bridge-building, Warsi has a cynical faith-driven agenda (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/15/coalition-does-god-baroness-warsi) to push (not just Islamic either) so I'm inclined to treat any of her comments with suspicion.
bananarama
20-01-2011, 09:34 PM
I don't understand how this can be described as "prejudice" tbh. Religion is a choice :bored:
Religion is a choice!!!!!! If only.......All too often religion is not a choice it is a compulsion or the so called "choice" has come about as a result of brainwashing children with what ever load of tosh parents and granparents hand down to them from their brain washed days as children.
No. More often than not religion is not a choice. Indoctrenated people are damaged people and any so called "choice" they make is a mockery to the principle of free choice......
Crimson Dynamo
21-01-2011, 09:35 AM
Religion is a choice!!!!!! If only.......All too often religion is not a choice it is a compulsion or the so called "choice" has come about as a result of brainwashing children with what ever load of tosh parents and granparents hand down to them from their brain washed days as children.
No. More often than not religion is not a choice. Indoctrenated people are damaged people and any so called "choice" they make is a mockery to the principle of free choice......
very true:thumbs:
how many people, especially islamics, would be religious if they were brought up secular and then shown religion when they were 18
answer? - about 1 %
Angus
21-01-2011, 12:05 PM
How dare this highly privileged yet clearly insensitive and ignorant woman make such inflammatory and offensive comments? - she needs to look at the Muslim community and their very blatant antisemetism. And how about their flagrant homophobic attitudes and subjugation of women, not to mention their disdain of christianity?
In fact if you were to substitute the word Christian or Jews instead of Muslim in her statement:
"Prejudice against Christians is now acceptable" or "Prejudice against Jews is now acceptable", either of those would be more accurate. We already bend over backwards in this country in attempting to "understand" Muslims, many of whom appear to have no desire to attempt to "understand" our culture and traditions and integrate, despite the fact they have CHOSEN to live here.
To take offence at the differentiation between moderate and extremist muslims is for her to miss the point that the differentiation in fact serves to emphasise to people that they are NOT all being lumped together. Her attack on the public is ill conceived and warped and is itself discriminatory since she is clearly only interested in promoting the interests of those who share her faith.
If extremist Muslims are tarnishing the image of Islam with terrorist acts carried out in its name, then it should be incumbent on the moderate Muslims to take action themselves to distance themselves from such maniacs.
Crimson Dynamo
21-01-2011, 02:53 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1349114/Islamophobia-What-kind-dinner-parties-Baroness-Warsi.html
Here's your problem:
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http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/storage/Now%20Muslims%20Get%20Their%20Own%20Laws.gif?__SQU ARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1177918923790
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http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/islamophobia_expressvi-vi.jpg?w=270
BB_Eye
21-01-2011, 08:32 PM
How dare this highly privileged yet clearly insensitive and ignorant woman make such inflammatory and offensive comments? - she needs to look at the Muslim community and their very blatant antisemetism. And how about their flagrant homophobic attitudes and subjugation of women, not to mention their disdain of christianity?Incidentally, Sayeeda Warsi was involved in some disgusting homophobic scaremongering of her own some years ago.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/apr/27/uk.conservatives1
Judas
23-01-2011, 11:29 PM
and some more MTVN!
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http://images54.fotki.com/v1594/photos/5/1222605/7387422/4b553ef00e54f1ad2ef8834800wivi-vi.jpg
And one more :wink:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn-LeUC-BnU/StZJ-IwruDI/AAAAAAAAAFk/65HqQEl9CY4/s320/090915+express.jpg
I know it's all mainly from two papers owned by the same company but still it does proves her point to an extent
Judas
24-01-2011, 04:52 PM
Yeah, definetly. The Sun has done some pretty rancid crap before, and of course we all know what the Daily Mail is like. I DETEST that paper!
Angus
24-01-2011, 05:52 PM
Yeah, definetly. The Sun has done some pretty rancid crap before, and of course we all know what the Daily Mail is like. I DETEST that paper!
What about The Telegraph, The Times or The Guardian, all of whom have reported on the same stories, albeit in less colourful style, language or eye grabbing headlines? Or is it the case that ANY story that shows muslims in a bad light is by definition "racist" or "rancid" or "scaremongering"? Talk about political correctness gone mad.
Like it or not, it is a FACT that muslims hold some pretty abhorrent beliefs, such as anti-semitism, homophobia and the subordination of women. And what about the draconian and often brutal penalties meted out by Sharia law, usually applied more strictly and unjustly towards females? Are we supposed to remain silent on that for fear of offending muslims? Debates on these issues are squashed by the politically correct brigade who see any criticisms as "racist".
Just because these issues are sensationalised by the red tops does not diminish their authenticity or the seriousness of their consequences. It is almost as if muslims have been elevated to some special status where any criticism of their beliefs and practices are somehow sacrosanct and beyond reproach, yet they are free to criticise, reproach and castigate the beliefs, culture and practices of anyone who is not a muslim with impunity, just as the vote chasing Baroness Warsi has done in this instance.
arista
24-01-2011, 06:06 PM
Yeah, definetly. The Sun has done some pretty rancid crap before, and of course we all know what the Daily Mail is like. I DETEST that paper!
Yes it is Number One for the Best photos you can post.
The Guardian is a good
Feel The Force.
What about The Telegraph, The Times or The Guardian, all of whom have reported on the same stories, albeit in less colourful style, language or eye grabbing headlines? Or is it the case that ANY story that shows muslims in a bad light is by definition "racist" or "rancid" or "scaremongering"? Talk about political correctness gone mad.
Like it or not, it is a FACT that muslims hold some pretty abhorrent beliefs, such as anti-semitism, homophobia and the subordination of women. And what about the draconian and often brutal penalties meted out by Sharia law, usually applied more strictly and unjustly towards females? Are we supposed to remain silent on that for fear of offending muslims? Debates on these issues are squashed by the politically correct brigade who see any criticisms as "racist".
Just because these issues are sensationalised by the red tops does not diminish their authenticity or the seriousness of their consequences. It is almost as if muslims have been elevated to some special status where any criticism of their beliefs and practices are somehow sacrosanct and beyond reproach, yet they are free to criticise, reproach and castigate the beliefs, culture and practices of anyone who is not a muslim with impunity, just as the vote chasing Baroness Warsi has done in this instance.
It isnt the stories as such, it is the way they are written. That's not to say the stories arent a problem, I'd question the validity and accuracy of every single one. Take the Daily Express headline for instance, thee "Muslim plot to kill Pope" one; all that had happened was that six foreign men were arrested on suspicion of plotting against the Pope, nothing was proven and as it happened they were released without charge.
But it's the tarring all Muslims with one brush which is the major problem here, taking the extreme and portraying it as the norm. I would go into detail with each headline but I dont see why I should need to, anyone with half a brain can see the problem with the headlines that myself and Judas has posted. Clearly you cannot because you are guilty of the exact same thing as the papers; you make sweeping statements like "Muslims hold abhorrent beliefs" and see the situation in a "them and us" manner. It's Islamophobia pure and simple, and no amount of "PC gone mad" rhetoric will change that.
Muslims are not elevated to a special status at all, on the contrary, it would seem that prejudice against them is far more acceptable than it is other religions.
Angus
24-01-2011, 10:44 PM
It isnt the stories as such, it is the way they are written. That's not to say the stories arent a problem, I'd question the validity and accuracy of every single one. Take the Daily Express headline for instance, thee "Muslim plot to kill Pope" one; all that had happened was that six foreign men were arrested on suspicion of plotting against the Pope, nothing was proven and as it happened they were released without charge.
But it's the tarring all Muslims with one brush which is the major problem here, taking the extreme and portraying it as the norm. I would go into detail with each headline but I dont see why I should need to, anyone with half a brain can see the problem with the headlines that myself and Judas has posted. Clearly you cannot because you are guilty of the exact same thing as the papers; you make sweeping statements like "Muslims hold abhorrent beliefs" and see the situation in a "them and us" manner. It's Islamophobia pure and simple, and no amount of "PC gone mad" rhetoric will change that.
Muslims are not elevated to a special status at all, on the contrary, it would seem that prejudice against them is far more acceptable than it is other religions.
What a predictable response - accusations of "racist" and "islamaphobe" towards anyone having the audacity to state the bleeding obvious. You really do live in cloud cuckoo land, and it's precisely because of woolly headed, idealistic views like yours that this country is in the virtually irredeemable mess it's in.
Your last paragraph is priceless since I sadly think you actually believe it. Now go patronise someone who actually gives a ***** about your juvenile opinions.:pat:
What a predictable response - accusations of "racist" and "islamaphobe" towards anyone having the audacity to state the bleeding obvious. You really do live in cloud cuckoo land, and it's precisely because of woolly headed, idealistic views like yours that this country is in the virtually irredeemable mess it's in.
Your last paragraph is priceless since I sadly think you actually believe it. Now go patronise someone who actually gives a ***** about your juvenile opinions.:pat:
Yeah just ignore everything and shrug it off as "wooly headed" and "idealistic". It's also pretty rich to say I was trying to patronise everyone, considering how pretentious most of your posts are. You know nothing of my views so dont try and categorise me please.
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