Cannabis - Whats The Harm?

[Kerry]

Interesting Documentory (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/bbc_three/watchlive)

Views?

Mine - I don't mind what people choose to do. I don't agree with dealing but if people want to grow their own for personal use, go for it

[Stu]

Regardless of your own personal opinion on it, the law does more damage than the substance itself and that's a stone cold fact.

Man.

[Ramsay]

Ive gotten into this conversation hundreds and hundreds of times
cant be arsed now
i know ill just get into it:laugh:

[Iceman]

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww250/jh2up/2kop6rjpg.gif

[Joe.]

is cannabis a drug?

[Smithy]

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww250/jh2up/2kop6rjpg.gif

fail

[Kerry]

Haven't posted this for an argument. I'm currently watching the above documentory and am interested. I don't know enough about it myself and thought it would make a good topic

[Smithy]

is cannabis a drug?

fail[2]

[Patrick]

Legalise Drugs, End Of.

is cannabis a drug?

Oh Dear.

[Patrick]

Ive gotten into this conversation hundreds and hundreds of times
cant be arsed now
i know ill just get into it:laugh:

I'm literally LOLing at how this thread is made after what I PMed you earlier, I'ma write back now btw, one sec..

Regardless of your own personal opinion on it, the law does more damage than the substance itself and that's a stone cold fact.

Man.

This.

The fact it's illegal, makes people want to buy it even more.
If everyone's given a chance to take it if they want or to avoid it, then it's less likely to be took.

Same goes for Alcohol's age limit.

[MTVN]

It does very little harm in comparison to alcohol and tobacco, I say legalise it. I would be in favour of legalising all drugs really, regardless of how harmful they are, lets allow people to start making the decisions for themselves on things like this and stop having the government make it for them.

[Joe.]

Legalise Drugs, End Of.



Oh Dear.

I was being sarcastic :spin:

[Ramsay]

the fact tobacco and alchohol are legal and its a proven fact they are more harmful then weed just confuses me

[Kerry]

I actually think it'd be something I may turn to if I had certain medical conditions. I doubt I'd use it otherwise as I hate feeling out of control and dizzy so that first try I'd be terrified but if in enough pain or whatever I'd do it

[Iceman]

fail

usually theres a ****storm of a thread when this is brought up...maybe people have chilled out and had a spliff :evilgrin:

[Shaun]

we should just copy everything the Netherlands does. :spin2:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

weed made me go crazy :sad:

like actual hearing voices crazy :sad:

[Kerry]

Haha loving 'WeGrow' in America where you can just pop along and buy all the stuff to grow it :joker:

[Patrick]

I was being sarcastic :spin:

Er No, Just No, No you weren't. :bored:

You were either:

1) Proving to us that you probably don't go to some Posh Private School by showing that level of stupidity.

Or

2) You were trying to win a few of the lads over by acting stupid and making everyone LOL in some weird attempt to become TiBB's Answer to Jade Goody.

[Stu]

we should just copy everything the Netherlands does. :spin2:
That would be a bad idea. Because they have not got the balls to just fully legalize it the coffee shops are still supplied by illegal growers and what was once a nice cottage industry has now been hijacked by criminal gangs competing with violence to be the main suppliers in a lot of border towns.

Portulgal is a far better success story with regard to full drugs decriminalization.

Haha loving 'WeGrow' in America where you can just pop along and buy all the stuff to grow it :joker:
You can buy the stuff you need to grow it here too.

[Patrick]

the fact tobacco and alchohol are legal and its a proven fact they are more harmful then weed just confuses me

This :bored:

[Stu]

http://www.torontohemp.com/hempuses.jpg

[Beastie]

If the people who use cannabis themselves are responsible and don't harm other people while using it then they can do what they want. I am all for cannabis drug dealing too. It's creating business and people need a job. I don't agree with the more harmful drugs like cocaine and ecstasy though!

Apparently the drug "poppers" is legal? That one is for gay men isn't it? For their bum holes to widen?

[Stu]

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[InOne]

If the people who use cannabis themselves are responsible and don't harm other people while using it then they can do what they want. I am all for cannabis drug dealing too. It's creating business and people need a job. I don't agree with the more harmful drugs like cocaine and ecstasy though!

Apparently the drug "poppers" is legal? That one is for gay men isn't it? For their bum holes to widen?

Yeah they sell poppers at joke shops

[Beastie]

I remember in Blue Banana they were selling Cannabis lollypops! :hugesmile: Not sure if they still do and I have been meaning to try a SPACE CAKE.

[Stu]

Can't wait for the Dail Heil brigade to get here with their grave misunderstandings and joie de vivre.

[Iceman]

been a smoker of it for about 10 years now, never had anything bad happen except get arrested for it and at that I got a JLO, but was fine cause my sister is my legal guardian so I didnt get in trouble.

[Beastie]

It does very little harm in comparison to alcohol and tobacco, I say legalise it. I would be in favour of legalising all drugs really, regardless of how harmful they are, lets allow people to start making the decisions for themselves on things like this and stop having the government make it for them.

Actually.. Now.. I think you are right. Legalise the lot! We are all taught "not" to take them. Therefore if someone takes the cocaine and ecstasy and dies then it's their fault. It will take the drugs to be legalised to actually send out a message of how harmful the products can be.

[Stu]

Legalize Cannabis. Decriminalize the rest. I have no problem with something like LSD which can be a wonderful experience when done correct but the average Joe is a little too thick to be viable to gain access to it over the counter down the high street.

[Patrick]

Addressing people like Karl, Iceman and Stu who I assume know what they're talking about when it comes to this:

What are the chances of Cannabis ever being legalized in the UK?
If it's been proven to be good for your bones and less of a threat than Booze and Cigarettes then, why are the government still so strict about it?

My mate had an argument with a teacher a few months back about it and he basically stated that it will be legalized but it's 'just a matter of time'.

What are the chances really?

[Kerry]

Actually.. Now.. I think you are right. Legalise the lot! We are all taught "not" to take them. Therefore if someone takes the cocaine and ecstasy and dies then it's their fault. It will take the drugs to be legalised to actually send out a message of how harmful the products can be.

If people want it bad enough, they'll get it.

I'm in two minds about the 'harder' stuff. But like I say, it doesn't really deter people, it being illegal. Tricky one

[Kerry]

Would like tougher laws on drug-driving though but that goes for drink driving too. Sick of people thinking it's fine to do either and just getting a slap on the wrist

[Stu]

Addressing people like Karl, Iceman and Stu who I assume know what they're talking about when it comes to this:

What are the chances of Cannabis ever being legalized in the UK?
If it's been proven to be good for your bones and less of a threat than Booze and Cigarettes then, why are the government still so strict about it?

My mate had an argument with a teacher a few months back about it and he basically stated that it will be legalized but it's 'just a matter of time'.

What are the chances really?
It is just a matter of time. That's the best answer I can give you. There are a multitude of reasons as to why it is still illegal. Ignorance, a lack of understanding about the substance, huge pressure from alcohol, tobacco and textile lobby groups, an unwillingness by the government to throw their hands up and admit that maybe they were wrong to ban it in the early part of the last century for reasons that had nothing whatsoever to do with your health ... the list goes on.

Big pharma companies don't want it because THC can alleviate a whole laundry list of medical ailemnts without side effects or constant pill popping. Vinters don't want it because god forbid people may drink less. Tobacco groups don't want it because it would render tobacco even more pointless and riddiculous than it already is.

Oh and it's very hard for the government to tax and make money off. It's a plant. Anyone can grow it.

[Twilight]

You already know what i think, i do not like the idea of any drugs.

[Kerry]

You already know what i think, i do not like the idea of any drugs.

What about legal ones? Paracetomol?

[MTVN]

Actually.. Now.. I think you are right. Legalise the lot! We are all taught "not" to take them. Therefore if someone takes the cocaine and ecstasy and dies then it's their fault. It will take the drugs to be legalised to actually send out a message of how harmful the products can be.

Yeah I think responsibility should be given to the individual to use whatever substance they so wish. I dont think it's the role of the government to protect people from themselves and if someone wants to compromise their health by using drugs then they can go ahead, it's their choice at the end of the day. How far and to what great an extent I would go with this view I'm not too sure, but, generally, I think people should have the freedom and the responsiblity to take drugs if that is what they want to do.

Maybe I'm being a bit unrealistic with that but that is my belief on the issue

[Iceman]

It's a plant. Anyone can grow it.

Yeah i agree with this, it's the simplest of things, I grew it in my back shed for about a year and it wasnt hard at all...

One of the main pros I have for it is that you just relax when you smoke it and can just talk to people and feel chilled....

[Ramsay]

Well if that Prop passed in California there prob would be a way bigger chance of it legalising over here but it didnt..what was it like 54% said no? so close

[Stu]

Yeah i agree with this, it's the simplest of things, I grew it in my back shed for about a year and it wasnt hard at all...

One of the main pros I have for it is that you just relax when you smoke it and can just talk to people and feel chilled....
I think people who think it makes you feel 'out of control' and who have never taken it probably think it's like some trippy version of getting drunk. It's nothing like that really. You can still walk, talk and act completely fine. You can think fine if needs be like a switch you can flick on and off. It just gives you this limitless capacity for fascination. TV becomes too interesting for it's own good, food tastes just ****ing brilliant, and you just can't help but giggle at how good this whole life business is. It's completely useless on it's own. It's not a drug you can use to paper over cracks or drown things out. It enhances and brings to the fore whatever your current mood and activity is.

Well if that Prop passed in California there prob would be a way bigger chance of it legalising over here but it didnt..what was it like 54% said no? so close
It's still effectively decriminalized though. Cops won't fine you anymore for it. The prop would have just put it in writing. The vast, vast majority of no voters were ageing conservatives, unsurprisingly.



Check out these quotes from Harry J. Anslinger. The guy who got weed banned in America.

Plenty of lolz within.

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_by/harry+j.+anslinger

[Stephanie]

You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Ramsay]

It's still effectively decriminalized though. Cops won't fine you anymore for it. The prop would have just put it in writing. The vast, vast majority of no voters were ageing conservatives, unsurprisingly.

well yeah but if they did make it legal america would probably see the benifits of it and make it legal in their whole country and then UK would do the same after a while

[Ramsay]

''Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.''

such a fooking idiot:laugh:

[Iceman]

yeah i agree stu I mean the simplest way i can put it is if you watch TV ads like Harvey Norman, you know wher they keep saying SALE SALE BIG SALE. I was down in my mates a while ago and the ad came on for Harvey Norman and it was like "Harvey Norman are going to WAR. All prices SLASHED. Come before the SALE is over, remember we have SHOT down all prices, you can make a KILLING" now watching that without smoking I never noticed anything but when I was stoned I was like "oh **** this is some heavy propaganda **** going on....all the sordfs at the end related to War or hurting someone... so I said it to my mate and he hadnt smoked anything and was a bit freaked out bye me when I said..... "do you think they have an Army?" an hour later when he was stoned he replied "yeah they definitely have an army and we fell about laughing at how stupid it was.....

I dunno why I wrote all that??? :/

[Stu]

Yeah Karl. Where America goes the world follows. I honestly think it could happen here faster than in the UK. We need the money a lot more and the E.U. recently passed legislation that now allows member states to legalize drugs.

We [Cork branch of the Irish legalize group] are trying to get Howard Marks for our march this year :laugh:.

yeah i agree stu I mean the simplest way i can put it is if you watch TV ads like Harvey Norman, you know wher they keep saying SALE SALE BIG SALE. I was down in my mates a while ago and the ad came on for Harvey Norman and it was like "Harvey Norman are going to WAR. All prices SLASHED. Come before the SALE is over, remember we have SHOT down all prices, you can make a KILLING" now watching that without smoking I never noticed anything but when I was stoned I was like "oh **** this is some heavy propaganda **** going on....all the sordfs at the end related to War or hurting someone... so I said it to my mate and he hadnt smoked anything and was a bit freaked out bye me when I said..... "do you think they have an Army?" an hour later when he was stoned he replied "yeah they definitely have an army and we fell about laughing at how stupid it was.....

I dunno why I wrote all that??? :/
Are you drunk?

Anyway, yeah. I love stoned convorsations. You know in your head they are bollocks but it's all part of the fun. We spent 20 minutes once setting out plans for a theme park in my backyard that would consist entirely of intercrossing zip lines run by an arch dandy Cheetah with a monocle and pimp cane.

That was after the bit where we envisioned FBI agents Dana Scully and Fox Mulder tracking everyones favourite layabouts down only to hit the bizong and chill out with them talking alien conspiracy lore.

[Ramsay]

hahaha thats class eoin
you might be on to something there
like that time i stayed up listening to charles mansons album all night
and got an itch to kill my family
but was too stoned and tired to do anything:laugh:

[Ramsay]

one time me and fowley were really stoned playing call of duty
and i tried to get him to team kill for the laugh
then he got really scared and convinced me that if he team killed the person we killed would report us to xbox and xbox would find us and kill us
we got so freaked out:laugh:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

hahaha thats class eoin
you might be on to something there
like that time i stayed up listening to charles mansons album all night
and got an itch to kill my family
but was too stoned and tired to do anything:laugh:

O_O

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

one time me and fowley were really stoned playing call of duty
and i tried to get him to team kill for the laugh
then he got really scared and convinced me that if he team killed the person we killed would report us to xbox and xbox would find us and kill us
we got so freaked out:laugh:

and you enjoy these experiences? :shocked:

[Iceman]

Are you drunk?

Anyway, yeah. I love stoned convorsations. You know in your head they are bollocks but it's all part of the fun. We spent 20 minutes once setting out plans for a theme park in my backyard that would consist entirely of intercrossing zip lines run by an arch dandy Cheetah with a monocle and pimp cane.

That was after the bit where we envisioned FBI agents Dana Scully and Fox Mulder tracking everyones favourite layabouts down only to hit the bizong and chill out with them talking alien conspiracy lore.

LOL no, I'm just really tired man.....anyway im off for 5 days of Pollin smoking :D see ya later!

[Stu]

I spent the two weeks of uni with a free gaf doing Gruntpocalypse on Halo Reach with the biys up every night doing the bizong.

memories

Then everyone done an impersonation of Roberto from Futurama and later after that we fell asleep.

Good times.

[Ramsay]

http://www.whale.to/b/mansonAP3108_468x705.jpg

and yeah scott they are just so fun cus we spend about 15 mins rolling around laughing our heads off:laugh:

[Iceman]

Just noticed the 3 biggest stoners on here are all irish........haha thats amazing!

[Stu]

Just noticed the 3 biggest stoners on here are all irish........haha thats amazing!
Let's laugh at the Queen lads.

HELEN MIRREN RUNS ENGLANG ROFL~!

[Stu]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4ni85WCgf1qcqorzo1_500.jpg

[Ramsay]

Fowleys here and hes smoking a joint how ironic:laugh:
he says hi
and hes smiling just like that dog:laugh:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i must be like the only person to not enjoy weed :|

i thought robots had killed my family and taken over their bodies :|

[Ramsay]

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[Stu]

i must be like the only person to not enjoy weed :|

i thought robots had killed my family and taken over their bodies :|
Did it ever occur to you that you may have been spiked?

Stuff like that simply doesn't happen on weed. It's about as realistic as me saying WKD made my cock fall off and **** me in the ear.

[Stu]

Show this to Fowley :

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/kingofthering/Mezey3JOOOOOOOOOOOOO.jpg

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Did it ever occur to you that you may have been spiked?

Stuff like that simply doesn't happen on weed. It's about as realistic as me saying WKD made my cock fall off and **** me in the ear.

no it wasnt spiked :laugh:

it was because i was aready like kinda unwell :|

i had already had psychosis then i started feeling really depressed i was on antidepressants so they werent doing anything and a friend suggested weed so i tried it and got addicted i was like self medicating (thats what the doctor said i dont even know what it means)

some of it was like good though

good psychosis if you get what i mean like there are good hallucinations and bad :amazed:

[Ramsay]

Ah ya cant blame weed if you mixed it with antidepressents so

[Stu]

And were you shocked to find that drugs and psychosis don't mix all that well?

Jaysus Chrisht.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

no i wasnt shocked :sad:

i just felt dead and so empty and being psychotic was better than that

eugh i dont know im not normal i cant explain it :bored:

[patsylimerick]

I think people who think it makes you feel 'out of control' and who have never taken it probably think it's like some trippy version of getting drunk. It's nothing like that really. You can still walk, talk and act completely fine. You can think fine if needs be like a switch you can flick on and off. It just gives you this limitless capacity for fascination. TV becomes too interesting for it's own good, food tastes just ****ing brilliant, and you just can't help but giggle at how good this whole life business is. It's completely useless on it's own. It's not a drug you can use to paper over cracks or drown things out. It enhances and brings to the fore whatever your current mood and activity is.


It's still effectively decriminalized though. Cops won't fine you anymore for it. The prop would have just put it in writing. The vast, vast majority of no voters were ageing conservatives, unsurprisingly.



Check out these quotes from Harry J. Anslinger. The guy who got weed banned in America.

Plenty of lolz within.

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_by/harry+j.+anslinger


There are all kinds of ways your physiology can respond to weed - and the grades and quality vary so much that you can have an entirely different reaction on two separate occasions. Cannabis is mind altering, which is where it differs from alcohol and tobacco and, as someone who has been relatively familiar with all three, it's facetious to lump cannabis in with the other two and you all know it is.
A few points. Firstly, I abhor my own indulgence in dope smoking because it directly funded a dirty, filthy, violent and exploitative business. I didn't grow my own. For the little time I indulged, I fed a horrendous beast that preys on the extremely vulnerable.
So the easy answer is to legalise it....right? mmmm..............
If you legalise cannabis, you open the door to legalising everything else that alters your consciousness. I've been absolutely blathered in my life, but being high is an entirely different ball of yarn. So where do we stop legalisation and how do we decide which level of completely out of it is a step too far?
One of the major sociological arguments against the legalisation of drugs is the revelation that this step would make life easier for politicians and power brokers. 1. They could stop spending so much money trying to track down drug dealers and would remove at least this purpose for escalated levels of violent crime. 2. Excessive spending on specific drug treatment programmes would fade away as drug addiction treatment would become a mainstay on your health insurance package.
Most interestingly, though, is number 3. If drugs are legalised, society completely stands back, shuts it eyes and holds its hands up in the face of the compulsion to remove oneself entirely from reality. If we say it's OK to get high, we abdicate responsibility for the reasons people have to get ****faced from dawn till they pass out. We should be looking at why the three dimensional cold light of day is that abhorrent to so many that they have to look at it from an entirely different dimension to get through the day. Legalise them all. Let's see what happens.............

[Stu]

Cannabis is mind altering, which is where it differs from alcohol and tobacco.
:joker:

[patsylimerick]

Take a break, Stu, you deserve it................

[Stu]

After wading my way through that paragraph of doom? You bet I do.

[Lee.]

*wonders how anyone can get all overheated about a drugs discussion*

Just chill everyone..

;) :laugh:

[patsylimerick]

After wading my way through that paragraph of doom? You bet I do.

What exactly is your problem with me? The section is called serious debates, no? One would think the point was to agree or disagree, with some level of critical consideration, with a previous post. Or simply address the opening question. Your interpretation of serious debate appears to be point and giggle as you elbow your mates. I hope they're impressed...........................

[Stu]

What exactly is your problem with me? The section is called serious debates, no? One would think the point was to agree or disagree, with some level of critical consideration, with a previous post. Or simply address the opening question. Your interpretation of serious debate appears to be point and giggle as you elbow your mates. I hope they're impressed...........................
If you cannot understand why I did what I did you are not worth the debate, sorry.

I need a worthy foe, here.

[lostalex]

No harm in my opinion. I voted YES on prop 19. don't blame me.

[patsylimerick]

If you cannot understand why I did what I did you are not worth the debate, sorry.

I need a worthy foe, here.

Well perhaps you'd be better elaborating rather than simply posting :joker:. It's a bit lazy, isn't it? I've been extremely pissed in my life but I never thought the four walls were going to envelope me under the influence of alcohol. I did under the influence of cannabis. Now do you have a counterargument or are you just going to hit me with a :dance:, oh worthy foe?

[lostalex]

Well perhaps you'd be better elaborating rather than simply posting :joker:. It's a bit lazy, isn't it? I've been extremely pissed in my life but I never thought the four walls were going to envelope me under the influence of alcohol. I did under the influence of cannabis. Now do you have a counterargument or are you just going to hit me with a :dance:, oh worthy foe?


I have a "counterargument" for you. No one in the history of the planet has ever died as a direct result of Marijuana use. Millions die of alcohol poisoning ever year. Millions die of Tobacco use every year. Millions die of prescription drug overdose every year.

No one has ever died of a Marijuana overdose in the history of the world.

That's a hell of a "counterargument". imo.

[patsylimerick]

i have a "counterargument" for you. No one in the history of the planet has ever died as a direct result of Marijuana use. Millions die of alcohol poisoning ever year. Millions die of Tobacco use every year. Millions die of prescription drug overdose every year.

No one has ever died of a Marijuana overdose in the history of the world.

That's a hell of a "counterargument". imo.

Not really, given that the original argument was that cannabis alters your state of consciousness and alcohol does not. I've never said one single word about which is more harmful. Please go back and read my original post. Is this what happens in here all the time? People come in and want to make a point but feel they have to argue with someone to do so? Why not just make the point. It's got nothing to do with what I was saying.

[Livia]

The vast majority of the most talented, educated, successful and creative people I know smoke marijuana in one form or another. They - and occasionally I – smoke it the way they – and I – drink alcohol, that is, without kicking the arse out of it. Some people I know have been doing it for years and years and years and have not yet turned into Charles Manson. I have never known anyone to smoke a joint then pick a fight. What tires me most are those people who ensconce themselves on the moral high ground and preach that it will lead to "stronger stuff". Not necessarily it won't. And if it does, chances are you were heading for the harder stuff anyway.

[lostalex]

Not really, given that the original argument was that cannabis alters your state of consciousness and alcohol does not. I've never said one single word about which is more harmful. Please go back and read my original post. Is this what happens in here all the time? People come in and want to make a point but feel they have to argue with someone to do so? Why not just make the point. It's got nothing to do with what I was saying.

you win this round, Mr. Bond. :devil:

[patsylimerick]

The vast majority of the most talented, educated, successful and creative people I know smoke marijuana in one form or another. They - and occasionally I – smoke it the way they – and I – drink alcohol, that is, without kicking the arse out of it. Some people I know have been doing it for years and years and years and have not yet turned into Charles Manson. I have never known anyone to smoke a joint then pick a fight. What tires me most are those people who ensconce themselves on the moral high ground and preach that it will lead to "stronger stuff". Not necessarily it won't. And if it does, chances are you were heading for the harder stuff anyway.

One question, Livia, do you think those who buy an illegal drug are in any way complicit in the violence associated with the industry they are funding? If people grow their own, fine. The best of luck to them. But if they're buying it from dealers, they're putting money in the pockets of thugs who don't, generally, confine themselves to marijuana. I don't remember anyone on this thread saying that people turn into Charles Manson but there's considerable evidence linking prolonged and excessive cannabis use to psychoses. There's a very interesting report HERE (http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7374/1212.full.pdf) and several more on the British Medical Journal's website. Personally speaking, it's not about the high moral ground; it's about the risks and a reasoned debate on exactly what legalisation would achieve.

[patsylimerick]

you win this round, Mr. Bond. :devil:

It's Ms :hugesmile: and thanks

[Livia]

One question, Livia, do you think those who buy an illegal drug are in any way complicit in the violence associated with the industry they are funding? If people grow their own, fine. The best of luck to them. But if they're buying it from dealers, they're putting money in the pockets of thugs who don't, generally, confine themselves to marijuana. I don't remember anyone on this thread saying that people turn into Charles Manson but there's considerable evidence linking prolonged and excessive cannabis use to psychoses. There's a very interesting report HERE (http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7374/1212.full.pdf) and several more on the British Medical Journal's website. Personally speaking, it's not about the high moral ground; it's about the risks and a reasoned debate on exactly what legalisation would achieve.

I don’t think people who buy the end product are necessarily responsible, no. Personally I think it should be legalised, which would take the problem off the streets and the quality of the stuff we buy would be more controlled, but that’s another topic entirely. Neither I, nor the people that I know buy stuff from street corners. Of course that doesn’t mean that I know for sure that someone hasn’t been persecuted or abused along the way. But then, if you’re wearing a pair of Nike trainers, or have ever worn anything from any of the clothing stores that support Third World sweatshops, I could say the same about you.

There’s a massive picture of Charles Manson posted on page 3. That’s the reason I mentioned him.

Any kind of psychosis is relative. If you are psychotic from smoking dope, chances are that without it, you would be psychotic from prolonged use of alcohol or prescription drugs. If you have an addictive personality you will become an addict.

You’ve posted links to a couple of reports, one from the British Medical Journal, so I guess you’re assuming I’ve never read any of this stuff previously. I have, of course… and I’ve read the opposing view too.

More people are hospitalised with serious illnesses related to obesity than are admitted with problems centred around smoking cannabis. I get more upset about that, to be honest.

[Ramsay]

There’s a massive picture of Charles Manson posted on page 3. That’s the reason I mentioned him.



no no i said i smoked up and listened to charles manson which made me wanna kill my family as a joke and someone was like O_o so i just posted a picture of him :laugh:

[patsylimerick]

I don’t think people who buy the end product are necessarily responsible, no. Personally I think it should be legalised, which would take the problem off the streets and the quality of the stuff we buy would be more controlled, but that’s another topic entirely. Neither I, nor the people that I know buy stuff from street corners. Of course that doesn’t mean that I know for sure that someone hasn’t been persecuted or abused along the way. But then, if you’re wearing a pair of Nike trainers, or have ever worn anything from any of the clothing stores that support Third World sweatshops, I could say the same about you.

There’s a massive picture of Charles Manson posted on page 3. That’s the reason I mentioned him.

Any kind of psychosis is relative. If you are psychotic from smoking dope, chances are that without it, you would be psychotic from prolonged use of alcohol or prescription drugs. If you have an addictive personality you will become an addict.

You’ve posted links to a couple of reports, one from the British Medical Journal, so I guess you’re assuming I’ve never read any of this stuff previously. I have, of course… and I’ve read the opposing view too.

More people are hospitalised with serious illnesses related to obesity than are admitted with problems centred around smoking cannabis. I get more upset about that, to be honest.

BIB1 I strongly disagree - no market = no industry.
BIB2 Absolutely correct. We should all be much more conscious of where and how what we consume is produced. But this thread is about cannabis....
BIB3 I didn't assume anything. I don't know you. But I think there are very many very credible studies linking cannabis use to increased risk of psychoses.
BIB4 I'm very concerned about this too and think there's way too much focus on the very thin when there are FAR more who are very fat. It's just not PC to say that. Again, though, as with point 2, this thread is about cannabis....

[Stu]

Well perhaps you'd be better elaborating rather than simply posting :joker:. It's a bit lazy, isn't it? I've been extremely pissed in my life but I never thought the four walls were going to envelope me under the influence of alcohol. I did under the influence of cannabis. Now do you have a counterargument or are you just going to hit me with a :dance:, oh worthy foe?
Alcohol is as mind altering as Cannabis, merely in a different way. Picking fights with your closest friends, thinking you really should give an acting career a run and honest to god thinking you have superhuman strength and intelligence have all occured to me after too much booze. But I guess that's not 'mind altering'? I tried to pick a fight with my dad and could have swore I hated my mum countless times after boozing. Countless times. I love them both of course. Sounds like mind altering to me.

Anyone who thinks the walls are closing in after smoking Cannabis has no business smoking it and should stop straight away. Like I did with Alcohol after I realized that it turns me into an obnoxious, nasty jackass.

The relationship between Cannabis and psychosis is largely based on bringing out underlying, pre existing psychotic symptoms. There is a difference between causation and acceleration. That and the fact that THC enriched, unbalanced Cannabis plants make for a mind racing experience. This super skunk that forms the backbone of the British Cannabis industry is a direct result of prohibition. Eager criminals set up blitzkreig style grow operations in houses caring only for the fastest grow and the strongest plant, neglecting Cannabis's other essential compount.

CBD. Cannabidiol. Give it a look up. It's a promising antipsychotic drug that gives Cannabis it's calming, sedative effects.

Also RE : the chain of supply thing : Do you know where every thread of clothing in your wardrobe comes from? Where the coco in your chocolate comes from? Where your fuel comes from? Can you be sure they are all from conflict free, exploitation free sources?

Just wondering.

[patsylimerick]

Alcohol is as mind altering as Cannabis, merely in a different way. Picking fights with your closest friends, thinking you really should give an acting career a run and honest to god thinking you have superhuman strength and intelligence have all occured to me after too much booze. But I guess that's not 'mind altering'? I tried to pick a fight with my dad and could have swore I hated my mum countless times after boozing. Countless times. I love them both of course. Sounds like mind altering to me.

Anyone who thinks the walls are closing in after smoking Cannabis has no business smoking it and should stop straight away. Like I did with Alcohol after I realized that it turns me into an obnoxious, nasty jackass.

The relationship between Cannabis and psychosis is largely based on bringing out underlying, pre existing psychotic symptoms. There is a difference between causation and acceleration. That and the fact that THC enriched, unbalanced Cannabis plants make for a mind racing experience. This super skunk that forms the backbone of the British Cannabis industry is a direct result of prohibition. Eager criminals set up blitzkreig style grow operations in houses caring only for the fastest grow and the strongest plant, neglecting Cannabis's other essential compount.

CBD. Cannabidiol. Give it a look up. It's a promising antipsychotic drug that gives Cannabis it's calming, sedative effects.

Also RE : the chain of supply thing : Do you know where every thread of clothing in your wardrobe comes from? Where the coco in your chocolate comes from? Where your fuel comes from? Can you be sure they are all from conflict free, exploitation free sources?Just wondering.

The point is that the underlying symptoms may never be overt without the kick in the arse that cannabis can be. It's a question of whether or not you think it's worth the risk.
And no, I don't, though I do tend to buy free trade when it's available. However, while I can't be sure my clothes are ethically produced, I KNOW cannabis - other than whatever I choose to produce in my own back garden - is not.

[InOne]

Moderation.

[bananarama]

It does very little harm in comparison to alcohol and tobacco, I say legalise it. I would be in favour of legalising all drugs really, regardless of how harmful they are, lets allow people to start making the decisions for themselves on things like this and stop having the government make it for them.



You have just made a compelling argument as to why drugs should not be legalised.......You state Alcohol and tobacco do more harm. Why do you think that is...Blindingly obvious.......They are legal so more take such substances hence more harm.......A case why no more drugs should be legalised. If they were then you would see the same amount of harm as does alcohol and tobacco........


The drugs culture be it alcohol or others is a sad culture........People who are failing personality wise to enjoy life without the assistance of chemicals.......A dependancy on a fake drug induced personality..Unreal people while under the influence like alcoholics .........

What a sad sad 21st century of plastic people created by modern chemistry and a lack of ability to live life naturally..........

[lostalex]

You have just made a compelling argument as to why drugs should not be legalised.......You state Alcohol and tobacco do more harm. Why do you think that is...Blindingly obvious.......They are legal so more take such substances hence more harm.......A case why no more drugs should be legalised. If they were then you would see the same amount of harm as does alcohol and tobacco........


The drugs culture be it alcohol or others is a sad culture........People who are failing personality wise to enjoy life without the assistance of chemicals.......A dependancy on a fake drug induced personality..Unreal people while under the influence like alcoholics .........

What a sad sad 21st century of plastic people created by modern chemistry and a lack of ability to live life naturally..........
if you think the 21st century is bad, you should try the 19th or 18th over and farther back.

Do you honestly think that we live in worse times than centuries past?

I assure you....We don't.

[Chuck]

I've never done canabis, wondering where I can get it.:conf:

[Zippy]

I suspect like most things it depends how much you use it and what you use it for. I just don't know enough about cannabis to give any great opinion.

But I would think that those who are willing to use it would be naturally more inclined to try other, maybe harder, drugs. Plus if you're around others who use it and buying it from dealers then you're gonna be offered harder drugs at some point. I can imagine younger people especially being pressured into stepping up to the harder stuff if theyre already using cannabis. So it can be a gateway drug.

[Stu]

The mind is a gateway drug. I get what you are saying but what you are describing has more to do with social and cultural nuances than Cannabis itself.

I'm betting most of anyone who ever smoked dope started off smoking a normal fag and wondering what the difference was. Or how it compared to that first time they got knackered off booze.

I know I did. I drank before I smoked and always wondered what the difference was. I couldn't even imagine what an altered state would feel like before I drank. After I drank I wondered what the other stuff did.

That and the fact that our schools wonderful homework journals carried a full colour, rather comprehensive discionary of drugs, what they looked like, and what their effects were. Wasn't long before that ended up as roach paper.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I've never done canabis, wondering where I can get it.:conf:

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[Boothy]

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