Should Hayden Panettiere have played FOXY KNOXY?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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"Miss Kercher's father John said the images in the U.S. film are 'absolutely horrific'. 'It's so awful what these film people have done. Your imagination runs riot as it is about what happened but to actually see it like this is very different and very distressing,' he said."


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1353568/Meredith-Kercher-murder-Hayden-Panettiere-oblivious-fury-Amanda-Knox-movie.html

[InOne]

Foxy Knoxy isn't bad herself

[Crimson Dynamo]

Foxy Knoxy isn't bad herself

well she did murder someone so I guess quite bad

[InOne]

well she did murder someone so I guess quite bad

I meant looking lol I saw a doc about her and there was some interesting vids and pics :evilgrin:

[arista]

Foxy Knoxy isn't bad herself


But Is She Guilty?

[InOne]

But Is She Guilty?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/27/article-1030042-01C565B800000578-234_468x627.jpg


Is that a guilty face?

[Crimson Dynamo]

But Is She Guilty?

court says ....yeah

[Niall]

I love Hayden. She was freaking awesome in Heroes :love:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

um why are they making a movie about her? O_O

what did she even do anyway?

[Shasown]

Is serious debates the correct forum to discuss casting

[Niall]

um why are they making a movie about her? O_O

what did she even do anyway?

She allegedly murdered someone. :/

So they are like making a film about the trial I think.

[Niall]

Wikipedia Article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Knox:_Murder_On_Trial_In_Italy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is serious debates the correct forum to discuss casting

:hugesmile:

now now

you know wot oi mean

[GypsyGoth]

I don't think she did it.

[Shasown]

:hugesmile:

now now

you know wot oi mean

Nope to be quite frank you have been here long enough to understand what forums you should post threads various.

I think the thread should be moved to the movies forum and also you should be taken out and flogged sir.

As one of the more respected members of the forum you should be leading by example and this lapse is scandalous.

More junior members will follow your example and start posting other rubbish in serious debates and the forum will descend into anarchy.

Eventually it could snowball and threaten civilisation as we know it.

[Ninastar]

She could play anyone and I'd still :love: her

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope to be quite frank you have been here long enough to understand what forums you should post threads various.

I think the thread should be moved to the movies forum and also you should be taken out and flogged sir.

As one of the more respected members of the forum you should be leading by example and this lapse is scandalous.

More junior members will follow your example and start posting other rubbish in serious debates and the forum will descend into anarchy.

Eventually it could snowball and threaten civilisation as we know it.

do you mean Arista?

[Livia]

She allegedly murdered someone. :/

So they are like making a film about the trial I think.

Hardly "alleged". She was tried and found guilty.

[Niall]

Hardly "alleged". She was tried and found guilty.

Oh so she was found guilty? I never payed attention when it came up on the news rofl. :bigsmile:

[Livia]

I don't think she did it.

Wow Gyps, I imagine you had to wade through a massive pile of evidence to have come to that conclusion, considering the verdict of the court!

[Niamh.]

Is serious debates the correct forum to discuss casting

I actually saw a snippet about this on the news today (well, I was in a shop so they had the volume down but they had subtitles) from what I could catch there may be a retrial so the question is should they have made the film at all when the case hasn't been finished yet which would be a serious debate, not so much about the casting though granted!

[Shasown]

I actually saw a snippet about this on the news today (well, I was in a shop so they had the volume down but they had subtitles) from what I could catch there may be a retrial so the question is should they have made the film at all when the case hasn't been finished yet which would be a serious debate, not so much about the casting though granted!

No not a retrial, appeals hearings are currently underway, both for prosecution (to increase the sentence) and defence appeals (re examination of forensic evidence and the trial judges rulings on it). They have been for a few months.

Its pre-release publicity for the movie covering the murder and trial.

[Niamh.]

No not a retrial, appeals hearings are currently underway, both for prosecution (to increase the sentence) and defence appeals (re examination of forensic evidence and the trial judges rulings on it). They have been for a few months.

Its pre-release publicity for the movie covering the murder and trial.

well, like I said I only caught a bit of it while in the shop. Still though the publicity I have seen regarding it would turn me off the film tbh

[Angus]

It's amazing how having a wealthy family and good connections can get a murderess a biopic featuring a well known actress in the title role, in order to promote the propaganda that she is of course innocent of all charges:bored:

I'm sure the victim's family are overjoyed and it won't upset them one little bit.:bored:

[Beastie]

I actually saw a snippet about this on the news today (well, I was in a shop so they had the volume down but they had subtitles) from what I could catch there may be a retrial so the question is should they have made the film at all when the case hasn't been finished yet which would be a serious debate, not so much about the casting though granted!

If there is a retrial then no way should the film come out first.

[Niamh.]

I had never even heard of this story tbh before now

[Beastie]

No not a retrial, appeals hearings are currently underway, both for prosecution (to increase the sentence) and defence appeals (re examination of forensic evidence and the trial judges rulings on it). They have been for a few months.

Its pre-release publicity for the movie covering the murder and trial.

Oh. Well doesn't matter what background you come from. Whatever crime you did.. you do the time and should not get special treatment for whoever you are.

[lostalex]

The film shows the murder from different points of views. It shows events as the prosecution describes, also as Amanda's defence see's it. So they show both sides of the story.

I'm looking forward to this movie. I've been following the story for quite a while, and it is a very fascinating case.

[Angus]

I'm sure the Kercher family are over the moon that their daughter's brutal murder will be providing prime time entertainment for the masses, and millions of dollars for the film makers - so nice to know she didn't die in vain eh?:bored:

[Lee.]

I'm sure the Kercher family are over the moon that their daughter's brutal murder will be providing prime time entertainment for the masses, and millions of dollars for the film makers - so nice to know she didn't die in vain eh?:bored:

Yeah I agree Angus.. I think it's disgraceful that this film is being made. The media have glamourised a murderer, which lets face it wouldn't have happened had she been a plain Jane. During the trial, I found it REALLY distasteful having to read about "Foxy Knoxy" .

I certainly will not be watching this film :bored:

[Angus]

Yeah I agree Angus.. I think it's disgraceful that this film is being made. The media have glamourised a murderer, which lets face it wouldn't have happened had she been a plain Jane. During the trial, I found it REALLY distasteful having to read about "Foxy Knoxy" .

I certainly will not be watching this film :bored:

Same here. I haven't forgotten how she smirked and preened herself in court - irrespective of whether she was innocent or guilty - it was inappropriate and insensitive. Personally, I believe she and her boyfriend are guilty as hell - there are so many inconsistencies with their alibis and testimony. It will be a travesty if this film influences the decision of the appeal judges. I feel for the Kercher family who clearly don't have the big bucks necessary to get an injunction to prevent this film being screened.

It is very telling that they have chosen a glamourous, immensely popular and famous actress to play Knox, yet a complete unknown to play Kercher. They are also going to film scenes showing the murder of this poor girl. If that were my child, I would be going insane right now. But that's the Americans for you - money and looks talk and to hell with the truth.

[InOne]

Films have always been made about high publicised crimes, it's nothing new.

[lostalex]

This case does not only effect the Kercher family. And Amanda's family, the Knox's deserve justice too.

The idea that just because the victim's family will suffer a trauma, that we shouldn't explore all the information is ridiculous.

Meredith will not receive justice by demonizing AMANDA. I'm sure Meredith would want JUSTICE to be done. and for the TRUE guilty person to be punished.

There is a lot more to this case than most people realize.

[lostalex]

During the trial, I found it REALLY distasteful having to read about "Foxy Knoxy" .

I certainly will not be watching this film :bored:

Just to tell you, it's the PRESS that ran with the "foxy knoxy" thing. The truth about "foxy knoxy" is that it was a nickname given to her when she was 8 years old on her pee-wee soccer team, because she was quick like a fox. It had nothing to do with being good looking. But the press ran with it, and turned it into something sexual.

[Lee.]

Just to tell you, it's the PRESS that ran with the "foxy knoxy" thing. The truth about "foxy knoxy" is that it was a nickname given to her when she was 8 years old on her pee-wee soccer team, because she was quick like a fox. It had nothing to do with being good looking. But the press ran with it, and turned it into something sexual.

Yeah.. that's what I mean.The press should not be allowed to glamourise and sexualise a murderer. It's distasteful. I notice the men involved in the case aren't getting quite the same attention.

[Angus]

This case does not only effect the Kercher family. And Amanda's family, the Knox's deserve justice too.

The idea that just because the victim's family will suffer a trauma, that we shouldn't explore all the information is ridiculous.

Meredith will not receive justice by demonizing AMANDA. I'm sure Meredith would want JUSTICE to be done. and for the TRUE guilty person to be punished.

There is a lot more to this case than most people realize.

They've already got the guilty parties - end of discussion. It will be a travesty of justice if Knox gets away with it, especially if this piece of propaganda is aired before the apeals. The Kercher family have lost a daughter FOREVER - I have no sympathy for the killers.

[lostalex]

They've already got the guilty parties - end of discussion. It will be a travesty of justice if Knox gets away with it, especially if this piece of propaganda is aired before the apeals. The Kercher family have lost a daughter FOREVER - I have no sympathy for the killers.

You obviously know very little about the evidence in this case. Every British lawyer that looked at this case has said that Amanda would NOT have been convicted in the UK based on the evidence presented. Same for the US.

If you feel this strongly, you should be campaigning to change your own justice system to be be more in line with Italy's. Italy still has thew same justice system it had during the Inquisition days.

Italy has a very old and primitive justice system.

[Angus]

Just to tell you, it's the PRESS that ran with the "foxy knoxy" thing. The truth about "foxy knoxy" is that it was a nickname given to her when she was 8 years old on her pee-wee soccer team, because she was quick like a fox. It had nothing to do with being good looking. But the press ran with it, and turned it into something sexual.

Yeah, that explains why she was smirking, pouting and preening herself during the trial. If anyone has courted that opinion of her, it's Knox herself.

[lostalex]

Yeah, that explains why she was smirking, pouting and preening herself during the trial. If anyone has courted that opinion of her, it's Knox herself.


umm, if she was guilty, wouldn't she be worried and sad, and anxious?? If you'd just been accussed by the police of something you DID do, you'd be scared ****less, you wouldn't SMILE. If she was GUILTY as you seem to think, why would she be smiling? WOuldn't only someone who DIDN"T have a guilty conscious smile? because she knew she had nothing to worry about?

If she was guilty, then how could she be so light hearted about it? Obviously she was light hearted, because she believed in the justice sysrtem, that she had nothing to worry about because she was INNOCENT.

You make no sense.

Europeans hate seeing Americans happy and confident, because Europeans can't accept American superiority. Europeans are bitter about it, they want to punish Americans wherever possible for being superior. This is the basis of this whole case. Punish the American.

[Shasown]

umm, if she was guilty, wouldn't she be worried and sad, and anxious?? If you'd just been accussed by the police of something you DID do, you'd be scared ****less, you wouldn't SMILE. If she was GUILTY as you seem to think, why would she be smiling? WOuldn't only someone who DIDN"T have a guilty conscious smile? because she knew she had nothing to worry about?

If she was guilty, then how could she be so light hearted about it? Obviously she was light hearted, because she believed in the justice sysrtem, that she had nothing to worry about because she was INNOCENT.

You make no sense.

Europeans hate seeing American's happy and confident, because Europeans can't accept American superiority. Europeans are bitter about it, they want to punish American's wherever possible for being superior. This is the basis of this whole case. Punish the American.

Oh dear god. Why do you always come out with that pathetic childish argument, pick on the spams because we are so much better than you.

You are like your country, immature, full of ***t and self importance.

Even your own state department refused to back up Maria Cantwell's claim of anti American bias.
There were three people found guilty of the murder only one was American. Two were Italian so does that make the Italian judge guilty of anti American and anti Italian behaviour?

[Angus]

You obviously know very little about the evidence in this case. Every British lawyer that looked at this case has said that Amanda would NOT have been convicted in the UK based on the evidence presented. Same for the US.

If you feel this strongly, you should be campaigning to change your own justice system to be be more in line with Italy's. Italy still has thew same justice system it had during the Inquisition days.

Italy has a very old and primitive justice system.


Let's hope it spectacularly backfires on her since I understand the prosecution are also appealing for a longer sentence. As for Italy having a very old and primitive justice system, I should look in your own backyard my dear - especially some of the individual state statutes are positively medieval and gung ho. Pot, Kettle springs to mind. You don't even HAVE a joined up justice system FFS:bored:

[lostalex]

You are like your country, immature, full of ***t and self importance.




Thank you for illustrating my point. lol

And Amanda Knox got a fair trial from people with this attitude towards Americans. Yea right. *rolls eyes*

[lostalex]

Let's hope it spectacularly backfires on her since I understand the prosecution are also appealing for a longer sentence. As for Italy having a very old and primitive justice system, I should look in your own backyard my dear - especially some of the individual state statutes are positively medieval and gung ho. Pot, Kettle springs to mind. You don't even HAVE a joined up justice system FFS:bored:

i find it incredibly disturbing that you seem to take some sort of pleasure from the idea that Amanda will get a longer sentence. It doesn't effect me in any way. I have no plans on visiting your corrupt ****ed up continent anytime soon, so it doesn't matter to me. But the fact that you take PLEASURE in an American being in jail in primitive Italy says everything about you. Italy is the Mexico of Europe.


You have no conscience obviously.

[Angus]

i find it incredibly disturbing that you seem to take some sort of pleasure from the idea that Amanda will get a longer sentence. It doesn't effect me in any way. I have no plans on visiting your ancient ****ed up continent anytime soon, so it doesn't matter to me. But the fact that you take PLEASURE in an American being in jain in primitive Italy says everything about you.


You have no conscience obviously.


Not everything is about America my dear. I don't give a flying ***** whether she's American, Chinese, English, Portugese or whatever. She's a killer and I hope she gets what she deserves. It's bloody hypocritical and patronising to accuse Italy, who abolished capital punishment in 1948, of having an antiquated justice system when you still have thousands of prisoners on death row in the United States - that paragon of virtue and shining example to the rest of the world:rolleyes::bored:

[Shasown]

Thank you for illustrating my point. lol

And Amanda Knox got a fair trial from people with this attitude towards Americans. Yea right. *rolls eyes*

I am not Italian, I had nothing to do with her trial.

If you are going to criticise another country's system of justice you should make sure your own justice system is beyond reproach.

[lostalex]

If you are going to criticise another country's system of justice you should make sure your own justice system is beyond reproach.
That doesn't make any sense at all. The idea that any countries system of justice is perfect is dumb. Name a single country that hasn't puyt an innocent person in jail. Name just one.

You can't. So basically your saying no one in the world can critisize any trial around the world, just because no justice system is perfect?

That actually makes sense to you??

That's stupid.

[Angus]

That doesn't make any sense at all. The idea that any countries system of justice is perfect is dumb. Name a single country that hasn't puyt an innocent person in jail. Name just one.

You can't. So basically your saying no one in the world can critisize any trial around the world, just because no justice system is perfect?

That actually makes sense to you??

That's stupid.


Sad attempt at backtracking. And still no comment from you on the fact that USA puts killers to death, whereas Italy gives them indefinite room and board?

[Shasown]

That doesn't make any sense at all. The idea that any countries system of justice is perfect is dumb. Name a single country that hasn't puyt an innocent person in jail. Name just one.

You can't. So basically your saying no one in the world can critisize any trial around the world, just because no justice system is perfect?

That actually makes sense to you??

That's stupid.

Not quite as clever as you seem are you?

I am simply using your own debating style against you, when you talk crap, I do, when you start insulting other countries because of your over inflated ego I will criticise your country.

When you debate sensibly with valid points, I will debate sensible valid points with you.

Why does your State Department not back up Maria Cantwell's claims of Anti American Bias in the trial, in fact they made a statement to the opposite effect.

[lostalex]

The USA has not executed anyone in over a hundred years. You may be talking about specific states and specific cases, i dunno. WHich case would you like to discuss specifically? You should make a thread about it.

We are talking about Amanda Knox though, IN ITALY.

[lostalex]

Not quite as clever as you seem are you?

I am simply using your own debating style against you, when you talk crap, I do, when you start insulting other countries because of your over inflated ego I will criticise your country.

When you debate sensibly with valid points, I will debate sensible valid points with you.

Why does your State Department not back up Maria Cantwell's claims of Anti American Bias in the trial, in fact they made a statement to the opposite effect.

WHAT THE THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAVE TO DO WITH AMANDA'S CASE? THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS NO MADE ANY COMMENT EIGTHER WAY.

oops caps.

[lostalex]

Anyway, i've made my point of view known, and the bigotry displayed in this thread has more than proven my point about old european ignorance. The same continent that brought the world the Spanish inquisition, the model to the world for justice... LOL

Meredith Kercher must be rolling in her grave.

[Shasown]

Anyway, i've made my point of view known, and the bigotry displayed in this thread has more than proven my point about old european ignorance. The same continent that brought the world the Spanish inquisition, the model to the world for justice... LOL

Meredith Kercher must be rolling in her grave.

The inquisition finished a long time ago, more refined methods are still being used in the Guantanamo Bay recreational(:wink:) facility.

Yes the same continent that gave birth to the US amongst lots of other countries.

You make us so proud!

[lostalex]

Yes the same continent that gave birth to the US amongst lots of other countries.

You make us so proud!

The US exists DESPITE europe, not BECAUSE of it. Immigrants came here to ESCAPE europe, not to mimic it. Get it right. I know you Brits love to revise history for yur own means, but i won't stand for it.

[MTVN]

The USA has not executed anyone in over a hundred years. You may be talking about specific states and specific cases, i dunno. WHich case would you like to discuss specifically? You should make a thread about it.

We are talking about Amanda Knox though, IN ITALY.

What are you talking about, there were 46 executions in the US in the last year alone

[lostalex]

What are you talking about, there were 46 executions in the US in the last year alone

and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.

[MTVN]

and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.

"In 1972, in Furman v. Georgia, the United States Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional. It was only a five to four votes, and three of the majority votes noted taht it wasn't so much the death penalty that was the problem, but rather the system was not working under the current law.

The Furman decision left open the right of the states to bring back the death penalty after changes had been made and by 1977 the death penalty was reinstated into American law"

Clearly the death penalty is still in use in the US, that is an undeniable fact

[MTVN]

Wikipedia:

"The United States federal government (in comparison to the separate states) applies the death penalty for certain crimes: treason, espionage, federal murder, large scale drug trafficking and attempting to kill a witness, juror, or court officer in certain cases. Military law allows execution of soldiers for several crimes. Executions by the federal government have been rare compared to those by state governments. Twenty-six federal (including military) executions have been carried out since 1950. Three of those (none of them military) have occurred in the modern post-Gregg era. This list only includes those executed under federal jurisdiction. The Federal Bureau of Prisons manages the housing and execution of federal death row prisoners. As of May 14, 2010 (2010 -05-14)[update], fifty-two people are on the federal death row for men at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana; two women located at Federal Medical Center, Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas are on the federal death row"

You're talking sh*t I'm afraid

[Angus]

and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.


So the people who carried out the executions were NOT Americans? Talk about disingenuous! You really don't have a leg to stand on:pat:

[Shasown]

The US exists DESPITE europe, not BECAUSE of it. Immigrants came here to ESCAPE europe, not to mimic it. Get it right. I know you Brits love to revise history for yur own means, but i won't stand for it.

I knew the standard of education in schools was poor in the USA I didnt realise it was so poor. Or perhaps you just slipped through the system.

Go look up the early history of the land you so proudly but misguidely boast about, in particular look at places like Jamestown Virginia.

Another example is the victory of Yorktown, who was the Comte de Rochambeau and what was his army made up of?

The list is endless, but go on I dare you.

Oh by the way no answer to GTMO?

[MTVN]

He has conveniently just gone offline

[Shasown]

and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.

Really, who executed Timothy McVeigh and Juan Raul Garza?

[lostalex]

I knew the standard of education in schools was poor in the USA I didnt realise it was so poor. Or perhaps you just slipped through the system.

Go look up the early history of the land you so proudly but misguidely boast about, in particular look at places like Jamestown Virginia.


And citizens of Jamestown and all other colonies (along with native americans, and slaves) rejected their ties to europe in spectacular fashion, destroying you, and sending you home with your tails between your legs.

[lostalex]

He has conveniently just gone offline

umm, wtf, why are you keeping track of my online status? That's creepy.

[MTVN]

umm, wtf, why are you keeping track of my online status? That's creepy.

Because I was wondering why you were taking so long to admit you were wrong about the US not executing anyone for 100 years. As it happens you've just ignored it instead.

And because there's a big greeen circle that lights up when you're online, not exactly hard to tell is it

[Shasown]

And citizens of Jamestown and all other colonies (along with native americans, and slaves) rejected their ties to europe in spectacular fashion, destroying you, and sending you home with your tails between your legs.

Ok let me put it another way, hopefully you will be able to understand this because I am typing it slowly for you. I am talking about the establishment of the colonies. Who founded Jamestown and why was it established?

Incidentally it ceased to exist as a settlement before 1700 quite a few years before the War of Independence. Its primarily that point that meant it provided excellent archaeological evidence about the early life of the colonies.

all other colonies? I think not, try this article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_(American_Revolution)

[Angus]

Anyway, i've made my point of view known, and the bigotry displayed in this thread has more than proven my point about old european ignorance. The same continent that brought the world the Spanish inquisition, the model to the world for justice... LOL

Meredith Kercher must be rolling in her grave.


You really need to be careful about criticising other countries when European Immigrants to America (YOUR ancestors) were responsible for one of the most disgraceful genocides in history - that of the native American Indians. And how about Vietnam? Hardly covered yourselves in glory there did you?So get off your indignant, moral high horse and stop playing the race card - the last resort of someone on a losing argument:bored:

The only reason Meredith Kercher will be rolling in her grave is if that murdering bitch is released, or has her sentence reduced.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

why does every thread turn into an argument about america :bored:

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[lostalex]

why does every thread turn into an argument about america :bored:

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ferr realzzzz. it's boring now.

[lostalex]

The only reason Meredith Kercher will be rolling in her grave is if that murdering bitch is released, or has her sentence reduced.

I disagree, and i think i've made that known, so let's stop bickering. We disagree. ENUF.

[MTVN]

ferr realzzzz. it's boring now.

What the hell are you on about, you're the one who cant enter a thread without proclaiming how great and superior all things American are

[Marsh.]

Is somebody suggesting Amanda Knox is innocent? I hope that's not what the film is going to play. Knox should rot in hell, murdering bitch.

And how many more threads are there going to be with lostalex having an argument about America?