David Cameron Stopping Labours Multiculturalism

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Feb/Week1/15923407.jpg


Yes New Labour made a mess of the UK
on this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-my-war-on-multiculturalism-2205074.html


"David Cameron launches a devastating attack today on 30 years of multiculturalism in Britain, warning it is fostering extremist ideology and directly contributing to home-grown Islamic terrorism.
Signalling a radical departure from the strategies of previous governments, Mr Cameron says that Britain must adopt a policy of "muscular liberalism" to enforce the values of equality, law and freedom of speech across all parts of society.
He warns Muslim groups that if they fail to endorse women's rights or promote integration, they will lose all government funding. All immigrants to Britain must speak English and schools will be expected to teach the country's common culture. "

"David Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/feb/05/david-cameron-muslim-extremism
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/David-Cameron-Signals-Tougher-Stance-On-Islamic-Extremism-During-A-Speech-in-Munich-Germany/Article/201102115923432?lpos=Politics_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15923432_David_Cameron_Signals_Tougher _Stance_On_Islamic_Extremism_During_A_Speech_in_Mu nich%2C_Germany_



Yes standing up for women stuck
in this mess.

[Angus]

Admirable but I fear it may be too little, too late. Nobody can stop "multiculturalism", since it has NEVER existed, only in the tiny minds of idealistic idiots who were unable to understand the consequences of what they inflicted upon this country.

It is Labour's most iniquitous attempt at social engineering, imposing an ill thought out ideology on the citizens of this country, without putting in place any practical measures, ie where are all these people going to live, go to school, receive medical attention, work etc etc? How are they to integrate into society when they can't speak a word of English? Instead Labour implemented a raft of legislation, like the infamous Human Rights Act, criminalising anyone who had the audacity to question the folly of allowing unrestricted immigration of hundreds of thousands immigrants with diametrically opposed cultures and practices, and failing to impose on said immigrants any expectations that they would at least have the courtesy to learn our language, attempt to integrate with the host culture, and obey the laws of the land.

What have we ended up with? A fractured society comprising isolated ethnic communities who still continue to live the lifestyles and traditions of the countries they have come from, irrespective of whether their cultural practices are in violation of our laws or offensive to our own traditions.

Good luck to Cameron for at least having the balls to voice the problem and to attempt a solution. The very least requirement for those settling here is that they learn English -a common language is the single most valuable and essential tool for integration and communication and it is really unbelievable that it has taken so long for that to be recognised. Instead of wasting millions supplying interpreters Labour should have been supplying English teachers. But then we all know the real reason Labour encouraged mass immigration don't we? Pity it didn't work for them at the last election.

Most importantly, any practices that subjugate and demean women and which deprive them of equal treatment, should NEVER be tolerated. Women have fought long and hard in this country for equality and yet we still have idiots promoting the idea that we should allow immigrant men the right to subjugate, dominate and control their women folk. How are second, third and fourth generation immigrant males going to view women if they have been brought up in such male dominated households?

[joeysteele]

I can't see how he can do much really, this is more like sound bytes to a long standing issue.

He does however state that over the last '30' years this has been allowed to be the case so while I would attack the Labour party for not doing anything in 13 years, reading through political history then I would also masisvely take to task the Conservative party too since of those last 30 years they were in power for 17(nearly 60%) of those years and also did nothing..

I think its likely too little too late and that its also language that won't help presently either.

[arista]

I can't see how he can do much really, this is more like sound bytes to a long standing issue.

He does however state that over the last '30' years this has been allowed to be the case so while I would attack the Labour party for not doing anything in 13 years, reading through political history then I would also masisvely take to task the Conservative party too since of those last 30 years they were in power for 17(nearly 60%) of those years and also did nothing..

I think its likely too little too late and that its also language that won't help presently either.


I can
Stop the Money going to the
Muslim Trouble makers.


This was New Labour Funding.

[Angus]

I can't see how he can do much really, this is more like sound bytes to a long standing issue.

He does however state that over the last '30' years this has been allowed to be the case so while I would attack the Labour party for not doing anything in 13 years, reading through political history then I would also masisvely take to task the Conservative party too since of those last 30 years they were in power for 17(nearly 60%) of those years and also did nothing..

I think its likely too little too late and that its also language that won't help presently either.

It is the direction that immigration took once Labour took power that is the problem. It was unrestricted - far too many people, over too short a time, with no proper infrastructure in place to cope with the numbers. It was Labour that deliberately caused the massive problem we have now, not the Tories. Labour more or less cocked a snook at the electorate, presenting them with a fait accompli, thousands upon thousands of immigrants all jostling for housing, school places, doctors, benefits, health care, yet no extra resources for these essentials being provided by the government.

It was not the Tories that threw our borders open to the world and his wife. Integration and mutual tolerance cannot be enforced, it must evolve organically over time with the help of fair and evenhanded legislation, and clear and consistent rules applied to new immigrants - that they learn to speak English and agree to obey the laws of this country and do nothing to violate or abuse the freedoms we enjoy. I have no idea why some on here dispute the need for immigrants to respect our culture and integrate with society. FGS, what is the alternative?

[InOne]

Hmmmm, having a national indentity doesn't seem to likely at the moment. It's good the PM is finally saying something. But think it will probably just die down and nothing will change.

[joeysteele]

It is the direction that immigration took once Labour took power that is the problem. It was unrestricted - far too many people, over too short a time, with no proper infrastructure in place to cope with the numbers. It was Labour that deliberately caused the massive problem we have now, not the Tories. Labour more or less cocked a snook at the electorate, presenting them with a fait accompli, thousands upon thousands of immigrants all jostling for housing, school places, doctors, benefits, health care, yet no extra resources for these essentials being provided by the government.

It was not the Tories that threw our borders open to the world and his wife. Integration and mutual tolerance cannot be enforced, it must evolve organically over time with the help of fair and evenhanded legislation, and clear and consistent rules applied to new immigrants - that they learn to speak English and agree to obey the laws of this country and do nothing to violate or abuse the freedoms we enjoy. I have no idea why some on here dispute the need for immigrants to respect our culture and integrate with society. FGS, what is the alternative?

I don't really disagree with what you say at all,I am no sympathiser for Labour but I just feel this is a vocal rather than practical thing from David Cameron and also I am afraid I have little trust in politicians anyway no matter what party.

They seem to,once in power, just make things worse, over political history since the 1930s, there has only been a succession of mostly Conservative and lesser so Labour govts each seeming to seek to dismantle most of what the previous govt did rather than build on successes and also look for compromises.

Immigration is such an issue where I just feel its a political game and no one has the answers but will not wprk together to get the answers either.

I am very weak on political matters, I would admit that, but from what I have read I feel politicians from all parties once in power fail very badly most of the time the people who put them there.

[lostalex]

People support multi-culturalism, unless that culture is English. Then it's bad, very bad.

[InOne]

People support multi-culturalism, unless that culture is English. Then it's bad, very bad.

Then people often turn around and say "well you don't have a culture anyway". As if they've made an effort to try find out what it is

[bananarama]

Hmmmm, having a national indentity doesn't seem to likely at the moment. It's good the PM is finally saying something. But think it will probably just die down and nothing will change.

Indeed nothing will change......It's a cynical attempt by Cameron to get votes in the local elections.....by short circuiting more radical points of view......

Until Cameron and others realise that reigions that brainwash children from birth (Islam is by no means the only offender) then nothing will change........Governments will tolorate the intolorable.......In the name of the public.......

[Crimson Dynamo]

come to Scotland as we dont have much call for immigrants due to the weather. we have lots of Poles but they work hard and adopt our culture.

[arista]

"It's a cynical attempt"


No it Ain't he uising LibDem
to free all these women Forced into Illegal partners.

Even Labour MP's back this
but under there Toffy Nosed Leader Ed
they can not speak up enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Thousands of English Defence League (EDL) supporters descended on the town that spawned the far-right movement for an inflammatory protest today.

The far-right street protest movement opposes what it sees as the spread of Sharia law and militant Islam in England. The group gathered in Luton, where counter-demonstrations have been organised by Unite Against Fascism (UAF) and sections of the town's Muslim community.

A massive police operation has been launched with more than a thousand officers on the streets at a cost of more than £800,000. So far, one arrest has been made"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353993/Extreme-Islam-protest--Police-operation-far-right-EDL-descends-Luton.html#ixzz1D6i9xdKd

[arista]

"Thousands of English Defence League (EDL) supporters descended on the town that spawned the far-right movement for an inflammatory protest today.

The far-right street protest movement opposes what it sees as the spread of Sharia law and militant Islam in England. The group gathered in Luton, where counter-demonstrations have been organised by Unite Against Fascism (UAF) and sections of the town's Muslim community.

A massive police operation has been launched with more than a thousand officers on the streets at a cost of more than £800,000. So far, one arrest has been made"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353993/Extreme-Islam-protest--Police-operation-far-right-EDL-descends-Luton.html#ixzz1D6i9xdKd

Yes was on the news
So what

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes was on the news
So what

how was it, did you get hit by the police?

[arista]

how was it, did you get hit by the police?


I do not live in Luton.

Police Do Not Hit Me.

[Angus]

come to Scotland as we dont have much call for immigrants due to the weather. we have lots of Poles but they work hard and adopt our culture.

Give it a few more years and when England is full up, they'll be coming north of the border- perhaps some enterprising manufacturer up there can knock out some furlined tartan burkas?

[letmein]

Indeed nothing will change......It's a cynical attempt by Cameron to get votes in the local elections.....by short circuiting more radical points of view......

Until Cameron and others realise that reigions that brainwash children from birth (Islam is by no means the only offender) then nothing will change........Governments will tolorate the intolorable.......In the name of the public.......

So, are you saying that religion should be banned? Where did they do that before?

[BB_Eye]

So, are you saying that religion should be banned? Where did they do that before?http://daryldean.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/north-korea-is-best-korea.jpg
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[Angus]

How predictable! Sadiq Khan, the Shadow Justice Minister, accuses Cameron of racism for daring to voice an intent to tackle one of the most serious problems in our society. No doubt Khan would like the status quo to remain, where immigrant women remain subjugated to their men folk, unchecked radicalisation leading to brainwashed extremists in our midst, and the relentless advance of separatism in our society due to the inability and/or lack of desire of many immigrants to learn English to promote integration and communication with others.

I sincerely hope Cameron and his government have the guts to ignore the blatant playing of the race card (perfected under the Labour Regime to quash any dissent of their iniquitous attempts of social engineering) and carry on with long overdue reforms to immigration - after all the main reason the British electorate kicked out Labour is because of their damaging pursuit of multiculturalism despite all the evidence to the contrary that it cannot work without a proper infrastructure in place, as well as legislation outlining the obligations as well as the rights of immigrants who CHOOSE to settle here.

[Beastie]

There was a debate about this today on "The Big Questions". I hope Muslims don't take over our country. They have the right to believe in their religion and practise it but not brainwash us that was born in this country to do what they do!!

The Muslim man on The Big Questions today seemed like he had so much anger. People like him move to this country because it is richer than their's with more opportunity. They have to comprimise. Would they rather be in their own country where they can enforce their religion in full? Or lay low in their "religion" to be in in the UK? Where this is a place full of diversity, culture, and race. A polish person even said to me "there are too many people coming into the UK". Mmm...

[Angus]

There was a debate about this today on "The Big Questions". I hope Muslims don't take over our country. They have the right to believe in their religion and practise it but not brainwash us that was born in this country to do what they do!!

The Muslim man on The Big Questions today seemed like he had so much anger. People like him move to this country because it is richer than their's with more opportunity. They have to comprimise. Would they rather be in their own country where they can enforce their religion in full? Or lay low in their "religion" to be in in the UK? Where this is a place full of diversity, culture, and race. A polish person even said to me "there are too many people coming into the UK". Mmm...

Thankfully, more and more people are voicing their concerns, no longer intimidated by those that brandish the race card to shut them up. It is NOT racist to debate legitimate and serious concerns about unrestricted immigration, or scarce resources stretched to the limit by the unprecedented numbers, or the inability of immigrants to integrate into society because they cannot speak English, or the radicalisation of young muslims in some mosques and some faith schools, OR, in my opinion, the not so hidden agenda any longer of extremist muslims' desire to Islamify Britain - and I'm not talking about the religion, but the political ideology of Islam.

[BB_Eye]

I welcome this if truth be told. A savvy political move from Cameron too at a time when he is very unpopular. I hope he starts by reigning in on serial libel litigants like Iqbal Sacrani (Muslim Council of Britain chairman) and blinkered Student Union reps who report anybody who criticises Islam to the equally clueless police.

And what a pathetic jab from Sadiq Khan. Is he not aware that the EDL are a gang of racist thugs? They are nothing alike.

[Tom4784]

He'll say anything for votes. His reign so far has been shambolic and the sooner we can kick him and Clegg out the better.

[MTVN]

He'll say anything for votes. His reign so far has been shambolic and the sooner we can kick him and Clegg out the better.

As will every politician though in fairness

[Tom4784]

As will every politician though in fairness

It's all pointless now, It's been the same for years. We try to pick the best out of a bad bunch each time but even then crap is still crap. We've got a snake and a turncoat with his tongue wedged firmly in the snake's arse now. I think I prefer Gordon Brown.

[MTVN]

It's all pointless now, It's been the same for years. We try to pick the best out of a bad bunch each time but even then crap is still crap. We've got a snake and a turncoat with his tongue wedged firmly in the snake's arse now. I think I prefer Gordon Brown.

Yeah it's just become a case of trying to pick the lesser evil, the opposition party will always be offering all the answers and then you vote them in and they fail to live up to their promises. People talk about Clegg breaking promises and not living up to his word - which obviously he hasnt - but the Tories are just as guilty.

I think I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned with politics tbh, I dont intend to vote for any of the main three when I become eligible

[Tom4784]

I'm not gonna vote anymore myself, I wanna vote for a prime minister not the dregs of semen that regurlarly get offered up.

[Angus]

He'll say anything for votes. His reign so far has been shambolic and the sooner we can kick him and Clegg out the better.

Yeah, cos we all really wanted another 5 years of overspending, mass immigration, and the cancer that is political correctness to spread even further into our daily lives restricting our freedoms.:rolleyes: Cameron was voted in by the electorate on the mandate that he would clear up the economic mess left by Labour (hence the need for savage and inevitable cuts) and tackle the shambolic immigration system that has led to a society where people live in isolation from one another (hence this latest initiative). It's not like it's a surprise now is it?

Labour couldn't get enough votes to even form a coalition. LibDems got a pitiful amount of seats so clearly the majority of the electorate were left unimpressed, and they're bloody lucky to have any say at all now.

Like it or not the Tories won the most seats, which shows that there's a hell of a lot of people who don't want the asylum run by the lunatics any more.
Tough if those who support the Labour Party don't like it - the rest of us have had to bide our time for 13 long years as we watched in frustration and despair as Labour ran our country into the ground. I shudder to think what would happen if Milliband, the Union's puppet, were to ever be voted in. You could kiss democracy goodbye as the country would be held to ransom by the bully boys.

[joeysteele]

Yeah, cos we all really wanted another 5 years of overspending, mass immigration, and the cancer that is political correctness to spread even further into our daily lives restricting our freedoms.:rolleyes: Cameron was voted in by the electorate on the mandate that he would clear up the economic mess left by Labour (hence the need for savage and inevitable cuts) and tackle the shambolic immigration system that has led to a society where people live in isolation from one another (hence this latest initiative). It's not like it's a surprise now is it?

Labour couldn't get enough votes to even form a coalition. LibDems got a pitiful amount of seats so clearly the majority of the electorate were left unimpressed, and they're bloody lucky to have any say at all now.

Like it or not the Tories won the most seats, which shows that there's a hell of a lot of people who don't want the asylum run by the lunatics any more.
Tough if those who support the Labour Party don't like it - the rest of us have had to bide our time for 13 long years as we watched in frustration and despair as Labour ran our country into the ground. I shudder to think what would happen if Milliband, the Union's puppet, were to ever be voted in. You could kiss democracy goodbye as the country would be held to ransom by the bully boys.

You make the right judgements on some of Labours failure Angus58, I however do not think at this time David Camerons comments are helpful and may well increase tensions and suspicions on both sides of the Immigration debate.
It is an issue I believe should not be a party political one,so I would prefer to see 'all' parties working on the issue together.

Your analysis of the Election is a fair one however I would have to say,this being the first election I was voting in, I looked back and researched past elections and from the so called chaos of the Labour govt and the failure of Gordon Brown as a leader, I remain stunned the Conservatives didn't walk this election,clearly the voters didn't like what they were offering and nearly two thirds of voters (just under 64%) voted against the Conservatives and voted for other parties who all in the main had similar policies.
For my sins I voted Lib Dem but will never do so again or trust them again.

It is also a fact David Cameron does concede this problem has been there for 30 years at least,also likely getting worse under Labour,but in those 30 years plus, there has been firstly 18 years of unbroken Conservative govt and then 13 years of unbroken Labour govt.

Well, to me putting it simply,if both the main parties cannot get most or all right in that time with 2 periods of longevity of govt with good overall majorities, then they are both serving the Country badly and really neither deserve to govern again unbridled.

As I said earlier in this thread, I think this Country is treated very badly by whoever gets into power and like Dezzy I have to say I am already massively disillusioned with politicians,its even possible that this coalition is shaping up to cause at least as much devastation as the last govt did.

The problem being that they listen to get the votes but then do what they like and stop listening once they have the votes and power.

Back on topic though, I believe its time that immigration was taken out of party politics altogether and that consensus on policy is worked on rather than dangerous whims of popular rather inappropriate language from any single party or leader.

[Angus]

No party is perfect, but as far as I'm concerned the Tories are the lesser of all evils. Clearly a lot of other people thought so too, since neither Labour or the LibDems convinced enough of the electorate to vote for them - in fact put the total of the seats they polled together and it was still not enough for them to form a coalition.

I, for one, am horrified at the recklessness of the Labour Party who completely lost control of our borders during their time in office. I need to know that any party in power is going to tackle the problem, and as for "dangerous whims of popular rather inappropriate language", what exactly does that mean? That we must pussyfoot and skirt around the nitty gritty of such a serious and contentious issue as immigration, for fear of offending WHO precisely? People like Sadiq Khan screaming "racism" everytime anyone has the audacity to mention the subject are completely unhelpful and hinder any meaningful cross party attempts to reach a consensus.

The fact is that we are a small island with finite resources which can only stretch so far. The social infrastructure necessary to support the numbers that have been settling in this country is totally inadequate, resulting in an unfair distribution of limited resouces. It is in everybody's interest to get some sort of handle on the situation, since Labour's irresponsible solution was to just leave the doors open, whilst throwing more and more borrowed money at the problem. I've yet to hear any viable alternative solutions from anyone opposing Cameron's proposals.

[MTVN]

And what exactly is Cameron's proposals? The majority of immigration to Britain recently has been from European countries, he is completely powerless to stop that with us being a member of the EU and will not stop that. The only thing he is claiming to be able to do is cap the number of non-EU immigrants, a cap that he is yet to give a figure on. It is also the workers from outside the EU that are often the most skilled, and are also often students, they are the ones providing the most benefit to this country.

[joeysteele]

Dangerous in that not carefully worded or planned statements can fuel suspicion,lso between peoples living in this Country, further afield in the rest of the World some of what David Cameron vaguely stated could be taken as an attack on certain peoples and faiths which could fuel even more hatred.

No one party has the answers to this problem,the whims part of my post is in my opinion David Camerons bad judgement on not actually being able to spell out clearly to everyone else just what his proposals may be, could be or should be,albeit in the absence of even him likely not knowing what his proposals really are himself yet.

Immigration is too big an issue for one man or one party to solve in a consensual and practically correct way, as is rightly pointed out, Labour made a mess of this when in power, but so did the Conservatives before them for near 18 years in power.

I would have much more respect and faith in a leader who said, this issue needs to be sorted once and for all,not from one ideological point of view or policy but from full consensus and agreement with all the UK parties,that would be a statement that would command respect and support rather than looking for short term political gain from a badly made and badly planned stab at Immigration like this with no meat to the bone.

That should be the case for all political parties and leaders in my opinion,its not an appropriate game to play politics with this issue.

[Angus]

I am very pleased that the majority of Labour MPs have distanced themselves from Khan and refused to back his inflammatory accusations of racism - perhaps being kicked out of office have given them the time to get back in touch with reality.

I am delighted too that Trevor Phillips has praised Cameron's speech. Phillips has been saying for a while that it's about time the Government tackled this issue.

[Angus]

Dangerous in that not carefully worded or planned statements can fuel suspicion,lso between peoples living in this Country, further afield in the rest of the World some of what David Cameron vaguely stated could be taken as an attack on certain peoples and faiths which could fuel even more hatred.

No one party has the answers to this problem,the whims part of my post is in my opinion David Camerons bad judgement on not actually being able to spell out clearly to everyone else just what his proposals may be, could be or should be,albeit in the absence of even him likely not knowing what his proposals really are himself yet.

Immigration is too big an issue for one man or one party to solve in a consensual and practically correct way, as is rightly pointed out, Labour made a mess of this when in power, but so did the Conservatives before them for near 18 years in power.

I would have much more respect and faith in a leader who said, this issue needs to be sorted once and for all,not from one ideological point of view or policy but from full consensus and agreement with all the UK parties,that would be a statement that would command respect and support rather than looking for short term political gain from a badly made and badly planned stab at Immigration like this with no meat to the bone.

That should be the case for all political parties and leaders in my opinion,its not an appropriate game to play politics with this issue.



Unfortunately, that's not how politics work or ever will work. The ideological divide between the Labour Party and the Tories is unbridgeable. Are you saying that Labour's policy of unrestricted mass immigration is just as bad as that of the previous Tory policy of controlled immigration. Are you suggesting that neither policy is viable, or do you back one over the other?

[Harry!]

I am not being racist but when I went down town on sunday there was more foriegn people then I had ever seen down town before.

[Tom4784]

Yeah, cos we all really wanted another 5 years of overspending, mass immigration, and the cancer that is political correctness to spread even further into our daily lives restricting our freedoms.:rolleyes: Cameron was voted in by the electorate on the mandate that he would clear up the economic mess left by Labour (hence the need for savage and inevitable cuts) and tackle the shambolic immigration system that has led to a society where people live in isolation from one another (hence this latest initiative). It's not like it's a surprise now is it?

Labour couldn't get enough votes to even form a coalition. LibDems got a pitiful amount of seats so clearly the majority of the electorate were left unimpressed, and they're bloody lucky to have any say at all now.

Like it or not the Tories won the most seats, which shows that there's a hell of a lot of people who don't want the asylum run by the lunatics any more.
Tough if those who support the Labour Party don't like it - the rest of us have had to bide our time for 13 long years as we watched in frustration and despair as Labour ran our country into the ground. I shudder to think what would happen if Milliband, the Union's puppet, were to ever be voted in. You could kiss democracy goodbye as the country would be held to ransom by the bully boys.

If you believe Cameron's any better then Brown then you're a fool. They're all self serving snakes. We haven't had a worthy PM in years.

[bananarama]

So, are you saying that religion should be banned? Where did they do that before?

I am saying like any civilised person would want to say that children should be protected from brainwashing from beliefs that can be controlling and harmfull....

We have in law a "dangerous pictures act banning extreme violent images"

We should also have a "dangerous religions act" banning dangerous and controlling practices.......

Religions in society have almost a blank cheque as to what they can get away with.......Call a belief a religion and you can get away with murder......

We are far to tolorent towards intolerent religions and intolorent religious practices.....

[joeysteele]

Unfortunately, that's not how politics work or ever will work. The ideological divide between the Labour Party and the Tories is unbridgeable. Are you saying that Labour's policy of unrestricted mass immigration is just as bad as that of the previous Tory policy of controlled immigration. Are you suggesting that neither policy is viable, or do you back one over the other?

I don't back either of them in full, I believe Immigration is an issue that should be above party politics, I think all parties of the UK with elected MPs should have input to Immigration policy and since single party plans have failed with both main parties for decades its time they were made to form consensus policy on this issue.

If the statis quo of single party politics on this issue continues then just as it has for decades now it will fail and fail everytime.
Cameron has not got the answer with his party alone, the Lib Dems have not either and definately Lbaour has not but there should be enough brains in all those parties to get Immigration out of party politics so party point scoring cannot be done on this issue thereby ensuring failure of all that's tried.

I actually think there is now little to choose between the main parties except for the cuts programme and the NHS. On immigration and the fact its such a sensitive issue its time all the parties got heads together not tongues yelling nonsense at each other now.
These are very different times from over 30 years ago.

[letmein]

Cameron was NOT voted in by the electorate. God, how can you people not know how voting works in the UK??! With everything supposedly bad that Labour did, the Tories still could not get a majority. The public wasn't buying what they were selling.

This "multicuturalism is bad" meme, is only going to show the rest of the world that the UK can no longer tout itself as a progressive society. That will go straight to the Americans, who have made it work to their benifit. It's not perfect there, but they've made it work incredibly for generations.

The UK is a Nanny State. Everyone needs to be babyproofed from everything. No one can think for themselves. The UK has a lot to learn from the Americans. Get a grip peeps! You've turned into a bunch of whiny babies. Now go cry to Ofcom!

[letmein]

I am not being racist but when I went down town on sunday there was more foriegn people then I had ever seen down town before.

Yes, you are racist. You have the right to be, but don't pretend that you're not.

[InOne]

Yes, you are racist. You have the right to be, but don't pretend that you're not.

It's people like you who make it worse for the people who do actually have to suffer from racism. You can't just bat it around with every comment made

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=letmein;4099396]Cameron was NOT voted in by the electorate. God, how can you people not know how voting works in the UK??! With everything supposedly bad that Labour did, the Tories still could not get a majority. The public wasn't buying what they were selling.



I absolutely agree with the above. In fact from the 1997 election according to the figures when the Conservatives fell to just over 30% in the polls in the whole 13 years following they could only get to just over 36% in the 2010 election.64% nearly two thirds of those who voted voting against them,the main opposition.
Hardly an endorsement of any kind at all to them.

[Harry!]

Yes, you are racist. You have the right to be, but don't pretend that you're not.

There wasnt many but there was more then I had seen before. Thats all. I repect forigners in the UK as long as they stay in the law and do not come to our country illigally (Taking money and jobs).

[Beastie]

France is an "EU" country. It is bigger than the UK but yet has dramatially a lot less people living in it. I don't get why some people don't immigrate to France? The UK is not the only rich EU country....

Our country is too lenient and needs to be more strict.

Edit - Oh there is about the same population in France as there is in the UK but there is still a lot less people living per square mile in France than there is in the UK..

[Angus]

[QUOTE=letmein;4099396]Cameron was NOT voted in by the electorate. God, how can you people not know how voting works in the UK??! With everything supposedly bad that Labour did, the Tories still could not get a majority. The public wasn't buying what they were selling.

I absolutely agree with the above. In fact from the 1997 election according to the figures when the Conservatives fell to just over 30% in the polls in the whole 13 years following they could only get to just over 36% in the 2010 election.64% nearly two thirds of those who voted voting against them,the main opposition.
Hardly an endorsement of any kind at all to them.

Endorsement or not, they were the party with the MOST seats after the 2010election and the only party with the ability to form a government. I am thankful they finally managed to remove the corrupt and immoral Labour party from power.

Irrespective of anything, the Tories WON the last election with 306 seats, a 3.7% swing and 36.1% of the vote as opposed to Labour's 258 seats and 29%of the vote and Clegg's 57 seats and 23% of the vote. The Tories had the option to form a minority government (which would have been my preference despite the potential difficulties) but instead chose to form a coalition with the spineless LibDems. Until such time as electoral reform gives us proportional representation (which I am in favour of, by the way), this is how the voting system works in this country, and just because you or anyone doesn't like the result doesn't change it.

After all I had to live under the Labour jackboot for the previous 13 years, although the last term was not a valid one in my opinion, since King Tony thought it fit and proper to hand over the crown to the unelected Brown. Even at the end that charlatan was still clinging on to power he had not been elected to wield.

[Angus]

If you believe Cameron's any better then Brown then you're a fool. They're all self serving snakes. We haven't had a worthy PM in years.

I am delighted that the Tories are in power, and I sure ain't no fool. The fools are the morons who voted BLAIR's government back in even after he had led us into an ILLEGAL war only to see him then hand over the leadership (without so much as a "by your leave" to the electorate) to an incompetent,dangerous unelected idiot.

[Angus]

There wasnt many but there was more then I had seen before. Thats all. I repect forigners in the UK as long as they stay in the law and do not come to our country illigally (Taking money and jobs).


Take no notice of the race card punters - you are in good company in your observations: Trevor Phillips has been making similar observations and statements for a while now but no-one dare accuse HIM of racism:bored: I would have thought, too, that Phillips is in poll position to actually know what he's talking about regarding numbers, as opposed to the fake statistics we were force fed by the outgoing Labour scum trying to cover up their years of incompetence on this issue.

[joeysteele]

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Endorsement or not, they were the party with the MOST seats after the 2010election and the only party with the ability to form a government. I am thankful they finally managed to remove the corrupt and immoral Labour party from power.

Irrespective of anything, the Tories WON the last election with 306 seats, a 3.7% swing and 36.1% of the vote as opposed to Labour's 258 seats and 29%of the vote and Clegg's 57 seats and 23% of the vote. The Tories had the option to form a minority government (which would have been my preference despite the potential difficulties) but instead chose to form a coalition with the spineless LibDems. Until such time as electoral reform gives us proportional representation (which I am in favour of, by the way), this is how the voting system works in this country, and just because you or anyone doesn't like the result doesn't change it.

After all I had to live under the Labour jackboot for the previous 13 years, although the last term was not a valid one in my opinion, since King Tony thought it fit and proper to hand over the crown to the unelected Brown. Even at the end that charlatan was still clinging on to power he had not been elected to wield.


The real fact of the 2010 election is that all the main parties lost it, no one won, its just the Conservatives,(who should have strolled into power with a massive overall majority after as you say a disastrous 3rd term from Labour),well they lost the least.

I personally.likely along with all the voters who voted for Labour, Lib Dem,SNP, Green,Plaid Cymru etc,chose to vote Lib Dem,I did that believing there would be a hung parliament and that if they could join with the Conservatives,they would prevent as they promised to, to stop cuts in the coming year being made and not support raising tuition fees,likewise if they could join forces with Labour that they would then too ensure Labour stuck to its gurantee not to make cuts in the coming year and also make sure Labour stuck to its promise not to raise tuition fees.
In an election tomorrow, I would use my vote but for the party that was best placed to get the Lib Dem out.

No one however won the election, we don't have a Conservative govt, we have a supposed coalition that is doing badly,because principles and promises are being thrown out, left, right and centre.

That is why now despite all before, voters who could never bring themselves to support the Conservatives cuts programme and who voted Lib Dem to stop that, also Labour sympathisers who loaned their votes to Lib Dems in vital seats for them in the election are now in near every poll that comes out saying they have gone into the Labour camp now.

Those two thirds who voted against Conservatives are being seen as right by the electorate, the Lib Dems have damaged their cause massively for likely as long as Clegg is their leader now.

This immigration policy is another badly thought out, presented idea, hastily made which will cause yet more problems, just like the NHS proposals that are despised already in the NHS system by most GPs and Nursing front line staff alike.

After only 9 to 10 months in power,this govt has caused more doubt, more suspicion across the Country than any other before it and its simply a case that in the 2010 election, people did not vote for an unbridled Conservative govt, maybe a minority one that would have to water down its policies massively but not the one we have,the insurance for that was a hung parliament with the Lib Dems able to influence. However the Lib Dems have folded totally on their main policies and have badly let the voters down, lost the faith and trust of a massive chunk of those who voted for them.

Now this ill thought out immigration proposals policy will create new distrust, suspicion and division across the Country. I certainly don't like the direction we seem to be going in under this coalition,we seem to be being taken into uncharted waters by a crew who have never manned a ship before.Who also don't seem to know for certain whats at the other end or even what they are even looking for.

[Shasown]

The real fact of the 2010 election is that all the main parties lost it, no one won, ......

.... seem to know for certain whats at the other end or even what they are even looking for.



Was going to read carefully through this post but got to this paragraph

"... personally.likely along with all the voters who voted for Labour, Lib Dem,SNP, Green,Plaid Cymru etc,chose to vote Lib Dem,I did that believing there would be a hung parliament and that if they could join with the Conservatives,they would prevent as they promised to,..."

And realised you dont have a clue really do you?

[Tom4784]

I am delighted that the Tories are in power, and I sure ain't no fool. The fools are the morons who voted BLAIR's government back in even after he had led us into an ILLEGAL war only to see him then hand over the leadership (without so much as a "by your leave" to the electorate) to an incompetent,dangerous unelected idiot.

Labour, Liberal Democrats, Tories. They're all the same beast. Not one of those parties are fit to lead the UK and none of them have offered up a worthy candidate since before I was born. To throw your support behind one while deriding another is foolish, It's like being chased by three big animals that want to eat you but favouring one in particular, they won't thank you for your support and they'll still end up killing and eating you whether you like them or not.

...not the most elegant metaphor but still. The Tories will end up *****ing everyone over just like labour did. It's all the same and there's no point taking part in it since it's just the same thing over and over again. Cameron won't keep any promises, and he'll keep saying buzzwords and phrases 'immigration limits' 'Multiculturism has failed' in order to lure the fools out of their armchairs to take part in the farce they call a vote. It's all empty words and he's just like the rest of them. *****ING USELESS. I'm sick of the mediocrity we're made to suffer, where's the REAL PMs? I've had enough of the Jesters ruling the court.

[joeysteele]

Was going to read carefully through this post but got to this paragraph

"... personally.likely along with all the voters who voted for Labour, Lib Dem,SNP, Green,Plaid Cymru etc,chose to vote Lib Dem,I did that believing there would be a hung parliament and that if they could join with the Conservatives,they would prevent as they promised to,..."

And realised you dont have a clue really do you?

and your point is, rather than just making an insulting remark?

All those other parties, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP,Plaid Cymru and even UKIP,all had in their maifesto's, total opposition to making cuts in the coming year and also not raising tuition fees,Scotland aside from that as they haven't them.

So only the Conservatives had those 2 policies set in their manifesto of all the parties, so where do I not have a clue since near 64% of voters voted for those parties, even with the 29% and 24% for the Labour and Lib Dem Parties over half the voters backed their policies too,29% and 24% being 53%.

The Lib Dems changed totally their manifesto policies 'after' they got the votes and seats.

I am not sure its me that hasn't got a clue as you rudely state,come the next election voters I feel sure, won't make the same mistake again, they will band mostly behind the main opposition party as Lib Dem voters who feel betrayed change their vote to likely Labour as they clearly don't want the Conservatives either.
Then we get bad govt again just like we have now and over the last 40 to 50 years at least.

Maybe you are right and I haven't a clue, but I have the right to state my opinion,actually though,the sad thing for me is that its more like the UKs politicians haven't got a clue and thats why both parties get us into a real mess time and time again when they get into power.

[joeysteele]

Labour, Liberal Democrats, Tories. They're all the same beast. Not one of those parties are fit to lead the UK and none of them have offered up a worthy candidate since before I was born. To throw your support behind one while deriding another is foolish, It's like being chased by three big animals that want to eat you but favouring one in particular, they won't thank you for your support and they'll still end up killing and eating you whether you like them or not.

...not the most elegant metaphor but still. The Tories will end up *****ing everyone over just like labour did. It's all the same and there's no point taking part in it since it's just the same thing over and over again. Cameron won't keep any promises, and he'll keep saying buzzwords and phrases 'immigration limits' 'Multiculturism has failed' in order to lure the fools out of their armchairs to take part in the farce they call a vote. It's all empty words and he's just like the rest of them. *****ING USELESS. I'm sick of the mediocrity we're made to suffer, where's the REAL PMs? I've had enough of the Jesters ruling the court.

I totally agree with the above comments from Dezzy.
I should have read this first before my last post Dezzy, you say everything I mean and put it far better than I could have.

[Livia]

The turnout for the general election was pretty low. If everyone who moaned, voted... the outcome might have been different.

[Tom4784]

The turnout for the general election was pretty low. If everyone who moaned, voted... the outcome might have been different.

It doesn't matter who won, that's the point. All the candidates were spineless and impotent leaders. Give me a PM and I'll vote for them, I'm not voting again if these candidates are the only options. I want real leaders, not cumstains.