Should we contact the lost Amazonian Tribe?

[lostalex]

You guys have probably seen the footage recently of a tribe in the Brazilian Amazon rain forrest.

Video link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12360013

http://www.beardface.com/files/news_images/brazil_tribe.jpg

I find the whole thing very fascinating. It also makes me think of people's attitudes towards UFO's and aliens. The people who say "if there were aliens, they would show themselves, and land on the White House lawn".

Well maybe they wouldn't. We are specifically not contacting this tribe because people think it would be immoral, but what must those tribal people think when they see a helicopter flying over filming them? Maybe the aliens have the same attitude.

I think it's immoral to not contact this tribe. Imagine how many people must die of diseases we have cures for. Imagine the infant mortality rate and the short lifespan these people have.

In the same way, if aliens have a cure for cancer, we'd want them to land and share it with us, i think we have a moral responsibility to contact this tribe, and share our medical technology with them.

What do you think?

[Angus]

I think they should be left alone - what right does anyone have to stick their arrogant oar in (under the pretence of altruism) and **** up a perfectly viable ecosystem that has served this tribe well for millennia. Any outside interference is what I would call immoral.

[MTVN]

No, I think they should be left alone to live their lives

[Benjamin]

This footage isn't recent.

And no, we should not contact them. They have the means to explore and make contact with us if they so wish. Leave them to it, they are causing no harm and live their lives the way they want. Why mess with the last remaning piece of untouched life and bring it to our confusing and messed up ways?

[lostalex]

This footage isn't recent.

And no, we should not contact them. They have the means to explore and make contact with us if they so wish. Leave them to it, they are causing no harm and live their lives the way they want. Why mess with the last remaning piece of untouched life and bring it to our confusing and messed up ways?

It is actually recent. The photo i used is an old photo, but if you go to the BBC news site i linked, it is the first film of them.

I think is is incredibly condescending to say they are happy as they are. Would you say that to a m other who lost her child in that tribe? If you could save their children's lives, i think they would want us to help them.

Why does contacting them, and giving them our knowledge and techology mean destroying their "way of life"? it doesn't.

They can still have their culture, but we can help them cure diseases.

By your logic, no countries should share their information with each other because it would "destroy their culture".
So why do American scientists share their knowledge with British scientists? Is it destroying British culture?

We're talking about saving lives, not setting up a shopping mall.

[InOne]

Leave them alone but sorta watch over them. Protect them from illegal miners and stuff.

[lostalex]

I definitely agree we should protect their land, and not allow the people that want to bulldoze down the forrest. But we can protect their land, and also contact them too. In fact, if this is a legal issue, shouldn't they be allowed to represent themselves in court? We are talking about what rights they have, and they don't even know that their rights are threatened. They have a right to know imo.

[Shasown]

I definitely agree we should protect their land, and not allow the people that want to bulldoze down the forrest. But we can protect their land, and also contact them too. In fact, if this is a legal issue, shouldn't they be allowed to represent themselves in court? We are talking about what rights they have, and they don't even know that their rights are threatened. They have a right to know imo.

If you do a little research on this you will find they do have contact with the outside world, they themselves choose to limit it. Why, look it even says that in the link you provided:

They are known as "uncontacted" because they have only limited dealings with the outside world.

As for contacting them, its quite possible that the people contacting them could introduce viruses etc that to us are relatively harmless but which could pose a major threat to them.



As for them representing themselves in court, thats not a very realistic viewpoint is it?

[lostalex]

If you do a little research on this you will find they do have contact with the outside world, they themselves choose to limit it. Why, look it even says that in the link you provided:



As for contacting them, its quite possible that the people contacting them could introduce viruses etc that to us are relatively harmless but which could pose a major threat to them.



As for them representing themselves in court, thats not a very realistic viewpoint is it?


have they been told though, that the average lifespan in the modern age is over 70? Have they been offered access to our libraries?

Can you imagine if aliens contacted us, would we turn them away? IUf we did, i think it would be a mistake.

I would hope we would welcome new information and new technology.

[Scarlett.]

It's thier culture and we should respect it, not go forcing our culture on them

[lostalex]

It is possible though, that they don't know what's best for their culture. If that's the case then perhaps it would be our obligation to do what's best for them with or without their consent.

Like with a child, they don't want to get an immunization shot, but we hold them down and give it to them.

Doing what's right isn't always easy or pleasant. Like Iraq.

[Shasown]

have they been told though, that the average lifespan in the modern age is over 70? Have they been offered access to our libraries?

Can you imagine if aliens contacted us, would we turn them away? IUf we did, i think it would be a mistake.

I would hope we would welcome new information and new technology.
I dont know if they have been offered access to our libraries, but you could send them your library card. Might be a bit premature though dont you think? Do you think they will be able to read?

Dont presume to impose your beliefs etc onto other.

Modern civilisation seeks out knowledge etc. This indigenous tribe could make contact with the outside world if they wanted. They have chosen not to avail themselves of that opportunity to any great extent. That is obviously their choice.

As for aliens contacting us, ever thought they work on a similar system of non interference?

[lostalex]

As for aliens contacting us, ever thought they work on a similar system of non interference?

yes i have, read my original post. I also believe, as I stated, that it would be immoral for aliens to withhold their technology from us, the example i gave was that if they had a cure for cancer.

It would be like having a beached whale, and refusing to help it back to the ocean, because we don't want to "interfere with nature" of course we will push a whale back into the ocean, and try to help it. The first order of business in any situation is protecting life.

Should we let a whale die on a beach because we don't want to interfere? or should we help push the whale back into the water?

[MTVN]

It is possible though, that they don't know what's best for their culture. If that's the case then perhaps it would be our obligation to do what's best for them with or without their consent.

Like with a child, they don't want to get an immunization shot, but we hold them down and give it to them.

Doing what's right isn't always easy or pleasant. Like Iraq.

What makes you think you are in a better position to make a decision on their lifestlye & culture than they are themselves?

[Shasown]

It is possible though, that they don't know what's best for their culture. If that's the case then perhaps it would be our obligation to do what's best for them with or without their consent.

Like with a child, they don't want to get an immunization shot, but we hold them down and give it to them.

Doing what's right isn't always easy or pleasant. Like Iraq.

Yeah and if they dont like the American way and approve a macdonalds franchise you could always bomb them back to the stone age.

[lostalex]

What makes you think you are in a better position to make a decision on their lifestlye & culture than they are themselves?

Our innovations in science, technology and medicine i believe does make us superior. Imagine telling them that America has put a man on the moon.

[Ninastar]

We should leave them to do as they wish, but they I think we should study them

[arista]

Leave them alone but sorta watch over them. Protect them from illegal miners and stuff.


Yes thats what is going on.

[MTVN]

Our innovations in science, technology and medicine i believe does make us superior.

That was exactly the argument that Colonialists used back in the 19th century..

[arista]

Our innovations in science, technology and medicine i believe does make us superior. Imagine telling them that America has put a man on the
moon.





No as they might think how you will cook
in there dinner pots.

[Shasown]

Our innovations in science, technology and medicine i believe does make us superior. Imagine telling them that America has put a man on the moon.

Yes then you can also tell them about rates of morbid obesity, colo-rectal (amongst other) cancers and all the other good things you lead the field in, including most hated nation status.

[lostalex]

That was exactly the argument that Colonialists used back in the 19th century..

and it's worked out. Do you think the USA would be a better place if we all lived in tee-pee's. The world would not have all the inventions created by the USA. Do you honestly think the world would be a better place if European colonialists never came to America?

I don't.

Just like America became something new and wonderful after colonialism. America became more powerful than Europe. So these tribes could become more power aswell. They just need access to information. Who knows? Maybe their creativity could be just as great as the USA's creativity after being contacted by europe.

Creativity should never be underestimated.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

yes

[lostalex]

Yes then you can also tell them about rates of morbid obesity, colo-rectal (amongst other) cancers and all the other good things you lead the field in, including most hated nation status.'

sorry but yur wrong, there are many more hated nations than the USA. Stop lying plzz. China, Russia, North Korea, Isreal are all more hated than the USA.

[Shasown]

and it's worked out. Do you think the USA would be a better place if we all lived in tee-pee's. The world would not have all the inventions created by the USA. Do you honestly think the world would be a better place if European colonialists never came to America?

I don't.

Just like America became something new and wonderful after colonialism. America became more powerful than Europe. So these tribes could become more power aswell. They just need access to information. Who knows?

Are you beliberately missing the point, they have access to information if they choose to avail themselves of it

They have chosen not to. Their choice not yours.

[Shasown]

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sorry but yur wrong, there are many more hated nations than the USA. Stop lying plzz. Chgina, Russia, North Korea, Isreal are all more hated than the USA.

Nah its something to do with arrogance and a superiority complex based on hot air.


Go Google.

[lostalex]

go on, google it, i have. America is not the most hated nation.

[lostalex]

It's a stupid question anyway. It's like saying Lady gaga is one of the most hated people in the world just because there are so many anti-gaga websites.

The most successful are always hated more.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

they look like those little orange things from willy wonka

and S T F U about america :nono:

[Shasown]

It's a stupid question anyway. It's like saying Lady gaga is one of the most hated people in the world just because there are so many anti-gaga websites.

The most successful are always hated more.

So, no link to a website stating otherwise, just some pathetic excuse about success causing hate?

[lostalex]

Iran, Israel and Pakistan – most unpopular countries in the world

Every year, since 2005, the BBC World Service commissions an international poll that ranks the popularity of various countries. It surveys more than 13,000 people across 21 countries. The three most unpopular countries in this survey this year (as they were in last year’s) are Iran, Israel and Pakistan. Iran is universally viewed, it appears, as a demon. Iran seems to have few friends in the world. Israel was negatived viewed by 19 out of the 21 countries polled. It scored a positive result in the US and a divided score in Russia only . The results were recorded prior to the Gaza incursion, the situation would only be worse given the increase in anti-Semite violence around the globe after that conflict. Pakistan also scored very negatively, as it is also on every one’s radar, particularly post the attacks in Mumbai in November 2008.

What is interesting is that these three are all, to one degree or another, democracies. So the democratic process, as a measure of popularity, is subservient, it appears, to the domestic and foreign policy of the countries involved. Two are Muslim, two are in the Middle East, all are immersed, to some extent, in militaristic campaigns, and the three as a result are almost universally disliked. Others not performing well in the survey include China, Russia and North Korea. Some of these are naturally viewed with suspicion by others around the world. All are militarily strong. Is it the threat factor that motivates those polled to rank these countries so poorly?

In terms of the movers and shakers on the list, the US still has a negative standing, but has improved moderately since Obama’s victory. However, at a macro level almost twice as many countries still disapprove of the US than approve, though its standing among European countries remain mainly unchanged. Russia has slid markedly in terms of world approval seemingly in correlation to its more aggressive foreign policies in the last 12 months. The Europeans in fact lead the pack in terms of their approval rating with Germany heading the list, and the UK marked as improved with a 7 point lift in its rating.

So what conclusions can one draw from the poll findings? The survey tends to reflect global suspicions of the agendas of the unpopular sovereign states. The findings are relatively consistent across surveyed countries – a demonized country is viewed as such relatively consistently across the world. The results should be reviewed soberly by the countries called for improvement. The people appeared to care less about the type of government but more about its policy set. Of the bottom 6 countries, 4 are nominally democratic forms of governance. It also appears that international implications rather than regional concerns were the prinmary drivers of the results, although the growing disapproval raking for Russia is to a degree a reaction to European regional tensions. It appears, when it comes to foreign policy, the world does watch and listen, so maybe there is a hope for us all yet.

[lostalex]

World's Most Well-Liked Countries
Lauren Sherman, 10.05.09, 05:00 PM EDT
The U.S. claims the top spot in a global survey of culture, tourism, governance and residents.




In Depth: Most Admired Countries
Chicago was dropped from hosting the Olympics in the first round of decisions last week. And stateside, Barack Obama's average approval rating last month was 52%, according to Gallup. That's compared to spring numbers in the mid-60s.

But two recent reports show that globally, positive opinion of the U.S. has blossomed. Approval of America among the French rose to 75% this year, from 42% in 2008. In Britain, those numbers are 69% and 53%, respectively, according to this year's Pew Global Attitudes Project. The 2009 Anholt-GfK Roper Nation Brands Index, released Monday, also supports this notion.

For the first time since 2005 when Simon Anholt--an independent policy adviser to 20 national, regional and city governments--started conducting the survey, the U.S. has been named the most admired country in the world, climbing six spots in the rankings from 2008. Rounding out the top five are other beloved countries like France, Germany, the U.K. and Japan.

In Depth: Most Admired Countries

Anholt attributed the U.S.' rank to global confidence in Obama. He also believes that former president George W. Bush's incredibly unpopular foreign policy pulled the country down in terms of image. After he left office this year, the only way for the U.S. to go was up. "The country's position was artificially depressed by Bush," says Anholt.

An increase in U.S. popularity meant a decrease for its neighbor Canada. The country dropped three spots.


"I prophesied that if the image of the U.S. ever improved, the perception of Canada would suffer," says Anholt. While Canada scores high for its friendly people and beautiful landscape, outsiders know little else about the country's culture. All they do believe, Anholt deduces, is that Canada is the opposite of the United States in policy. "If the U.S. is illiberal, intolerant and aggressive, then Canada is liberal, tolerant and passive," he says. "Now the seesaw has gone the other way, and Canada is losing its identity."

Behind The Numbers
To complete this survey, Anholt, in partnership with Princeton, N.J.-based market research firm GfK Roper, surveyed 20,000 people from 20 countries--chosen for geographic and economic diversity--over the summer of 2009. The survey asked respondents to rank 50 countries in six categories: governance, culture, products and services, people, tourism and immigration/investment.


The "governance" section of the survey included questions on human rights and foreign policy, while "culture" encompassed heritage, popular culture and sports. The "products and services" section asked about brands each country is known for (e.g., IKEA is associated with Sweden). The "people" category included queries on the perceived attitudes of each country's citizens (that is, whether or not they seem hard-working, warm, friendly or tolerant). Questions in "tourism" focused on whether or not the respondents would want to visit these countries on vacation. And "immigration/investment" asked about living in these countries and investing in their businesses.

Most countries in the top 10 scored fairly well in every area, but with exceptional strength in one category. For example, Australia, with its enviable beaches, mountains and distinctive cityscapes, is "a tourist destination to die for," says Anholt. And while the French aren't, for the most part, thought of as particularly friendly or warm, Anholt says that in terms of culture and tourism, the country scores high. Germany is widely admired for its brands such as Adidas ( ADDDY.PK - news - people ), Volkswagen ( VLKAF.PK - news - people ) and Hugo Boss.

All in all, these are places many of us would like to visit, and possibly live. The question is, will the U.S. remain in the top spot next year?

"It'll keep its place for as long as Obama is in office," says Jose Filipe Torres, chief executive of Bloom Consulting, a Madrid-based brand strategy firm with clients including Spain, which tied with Sweden for 10th place. However, he doesn't think that U.S.' newfound branding power indicates anything about its economic future. "Good brand positing doesn't always mean more tourism, economic development and foreign investment."

[Angus]

I definitely agree we should protect their land, and not allow the people that want to bulldoze down the forrest. But we can protect their land, and also contact them too. In fact, if this is a legal issue, shouldn't they be allowed to represent themselves in court? We are talking about what rights they have, and they don't even know that their rights are threatened. They have a right to know imo.


Translation: I definitely think the Americans should put them on a reservation to "protect" them whilst exploiting any natural resources they may have, before anyone else does. After all we are the font of all wisdom and knowledge in the world, what we say goes, and if you don't like it we'll send in the troops:bored:

[lostalex]

Translation: I definitely think the Americans should put them on a reservation to "protect" them whilst exploiting any natural resources they may have, before anyone else does. After all we are the font of all wisdom and knowledge in the world, what we say goes, and if you don't like it we'll send in the troops:bored:


wow, once against showing your anti-Americanism. How you got that out of anything i said is dumbfounding. What does the USA have to do with this story AT ALL??


Are you actually as dumb as you seem? Are you actually this ignorant? Have you not been paying attention to the conversation at all??

Lord help us.

[Shasown]

World's Most Well-Liked Countries
Lauren Sherman, 10.05.09, 05:00 PM EDT
The U.S. claims the top spot in a global survey of culture, tourism, governance and residents.






Ah I see cant find a survey about the most hated country in the world not having the USA as number 1 so you went and found a feel good article by Lauren Sherman (an American Journalist).

In the last international survey by BBC July 2010 - United States, Israel, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran respectively were voted are the countries with "Least Favorable" Image.


OR

Once the most beloved country in the world, the US is now the most hated
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/feb/14/comment.businesscomment

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071209064720AAw1PwD

[lostalex]

Ah I see cant find a survey about the most hated country in the world not having the USA as number 1 so you went and found a feel good article by Lauren Sherman (an American Journalist).

In the last international survey by BBC July 2010 - United States, Israel, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran respectively were voted are the countries with "Least Favorable" Image.


OR

Once the most beloved country in the world, the US is now the most hated
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/feb/14/comment.businesscomment

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071209064720AAw1PwD

None of those links show the US as the most hated country. What are you on about?

A GUardian survey is NOT a REAL survey idiot. The guardian, incase you don't know, is a propaganda smear sheet produced by the far left in ONE country, England.

No multi-country independent study has EVER found the US to be most hated. Wow you are incredibly ignorant.

None of the links you provided are any kind of LIst whatsoever, but simply racist opinion pieces, are you serious??

You are clearly not an intelligent person, and once again, you've wasted my time. Why do i keep falling for it? i don't know. I only blame myself.

[Angus]

wow, once against showing your anti-Americanism. How you got that out of anything i said is dumbfounding. What does the USA have to do with this story AT ALL??


Are you actually as dumb as you seem? Are you actually this ignorant? Have you not been paying attention to the conversation at all??

Lord help us.

The Lord has nothing to do with America - he left you all to it the moment you stole it from the indigenous population. American arrogance and global ignorance is what's dumbfounding my dear - but I don't hate Americans, I just despise and pity them:pat:

[lostalex]

I don't hate Americans, I just despise and pity them


Well at least you admit how bigoted and xenophobic you are. It doesn't make it okay, but i'm glad you have admitted it.

[BB_Eye]

Leave them alone. Hasn't global imperialism annihilated enough cultures and languages beyond repair and made the world small enough already?

[Angus]

Well at least you admit how bigoted and xenophobic you are. It doesn't make it okay, but i'm glad you have admitted it.

An American accusing others of Xenophobia and bigotry:laugh3::joker: You really are deluded:pat:

[bananarama]

You guys have probably seen the footage recently of a tribe in the Brazilian Amazon rain forrest.

Video link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12360013

http://www.beardface.com/files/news_images/brazil_tribe.jpg

I find the whole thing very fascinating. It also makes me think of people's attitudes towards UFO's and aliens. The people who say "if there were aliens, they would show themselves, and land on the White House lawn".

Well maybe they wouldn't. We are specifically not contacting this tribe because people think it would be immoral, but what must those tribal people think when they see a helicopter flying over filming them? Maybe the aliens have the same attitude.

I think it's immoral to not contact this tribe. Imagine how many people must die of diseases we have cures for. Imagine the infant mortality rate and the short lifespan these people have.

In the same way, if aliens have a cure for cancer, we'd want them to land and share it with us, i think we have a moral responsibility to contact this tribe, and share our medical technology with them.

What do you think?


No. We should leave them alone........You mention about diseases and cures........That's the very reason we should stay away.......They will not have the same rugged immune system to modern infections that we have......Even with treatment if they are exposed to our diseases it will most likely kill them in great numbers........

We should just mind our own business and let them evolve if they so wish or can......

[Crimson Dynamo]

We should catch them and restyle them.

[arista]

We should catch them and restyle them.


Typical of you


Destroying it all.

[Chuck]

Just let my family alone.

[Smithy]

I rang and noone answered

Obviously they don't want to talk :shrug:

[Zippy]

Leave them alone.

maybe drop some goodies now and then from a plane.

[GypsyGoth]

I think we should enslave them and make them make trainers for us!!

[billy123]

Theres always one that ruins the shot they look all wild and tribal until one of them wanders past wearing an arsenal shirt. :hugesmile:

They are fine just leave them be.

[Jords]

I think this is pretty amazing, I dont see the problem of going to say hello as long as we dont distrupt their livelihood and let them be as they are, as the video said its good to have people like this still around. :)

[Benjamin]

It is actually recent. The photo i used is an old photo, but if you go to the BBC news site i linked, it is the first film of them.

I think is is incredibly condescending to say they are happy as they are. Would you say that to a m other who lost her child in that tribe? If you could save their children's lives, i think they would want us to help them.

Why does contacting them, and giving them our knowledge and techology mean destroying their "way of life"? it doesn't.

They can still have their culture, but we can help them cure diseases.

By your logic, no countries should share their information with each other because it would "destroy their culture".
So why do American scientists share their knowledge with British scientists? Is it destroying British culture?

We're talking about saving lives, not setting up a shopping mall.


So? We can help them cure stuff? Maybe they do not want that? They have different beliefs. Not everyone wants the same thing. Have you ever stopped to consider that? Clearly not!

If they wanted to know the outside world, then they can explore themselves, let them choose themselves to come to our culture, not force them to see our world because we want them to.

Very shallow and naive comment from a person that comes across as just that. :bored:

[Zippy]

I bet they could teach us a thing or two about natural cures. Not chemical ones that can lead to further and even bigger problems. They can no doubt teach us tons of other stuff too.

We are the ones that have lost our way, not them. Theyre living how nature intended. Simple, but I bet theyre happier in their souls.

[Jords]

I bet they could teach us a thing or two about natural cures. Not chemical ones that can lead to further and even bigger problems. They can no doubt teach us tons of other stuff too.

We are the ones that have lost our way, not them. Theyre living how nature intended. Simple, but I bet theyre happier in their souls.

This is true Zipper. :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I bet they could teach us a thing or two about natural cures. Not chemical ones that can lead to further and even bigger problems. They can no doubt teach us tons of other stuff too.

We are the ones that have lost our way, not them. Theyre living how nature intended. Simple, but I bet theyre happier in their souls.

yes i am sure that their very high infant mortality rate is a big boon.