Jedward Are Eurovision Bound

[Iceman]

They just won the Eurosong ompetition to represent Ireland.

Have to say its such a eurovision song......

(oh and rebecca from bel Ami is a backing singer from them.) Will add a video when I find one.

[Niamh.]

G'wan Jedward!!!!

[Beastie]

Be amazing if the UK comes first and Ireland comes 2nd in Eurovision! :) GOOD LUCK JEDWARD!

[Niamh.]

Be amazing if the UK comes first and Ireland comes 2nd in Eurovision! :) GOOD LUCK JEDWARD!

It'd be even better if it was the other way round:wink:

[Stacey.]

I seriously hope they win! :D

[Shaun]

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found this on my FB stream

[Iceman]

They actually sang and danced better than I thought..... the backing singers were a bit loud though.....

['Conor]

i actually really liked song 5 :(

but yeah Jedwards song isnt that bad, if they could sing.

[Stu]

Nation of ****ing tards voting two ****ing tards to disgrace us even further. Wonderful. letsz all get behind them they are only two sweet boys enjoying der tym!?!!

[Niamh.]

Nation of ****ing tards voting two ****ing tards to disgrace us even further. Wonderful. letsz all get behind them they are only two sweet boys enjoying der tym!?!!

The Eurovision is complete ****, no one takes it seriously anyway

[MTVN]

So do they have to compete in the semi-finals now or was that what was on tonight?

Either way, doesnt matter, they wont beat Blue :tongue:

[Shaun]

^ oh thanks for reminding me of Blue :(

[Stu]

The Eurovision is complete ****, no one takes it seriously anyway
Most of Europe take it seriously. That's also why we were booed off the stage when we thought it would be utter hillarity to put a puppet turkey up to do a number. I will look foward to the same thing happening this year.

Yeah it's car crash TV but Ireland was looking to regain some of the past fame it had in the competition and actually had a few credible songs from credible songwriters on offer this year. Instead we vote for these two absoloute helmets who have no right to be anywhere near even the most riddiculous of song contests.

At the risk of sounding pretentious even at their age I would be smart enough to say 'no thank you' to whatever agent my mum and Louis Walsh hired to rope me into the Eurovision. I would say 'no thank you, but I'm really no fit for this'. Jedward clearly have no qualms about 'avin der bit of fun' and dicking around to the delight of nobody over the age of twelve.

It's creepy and I hope someone runs into them with an automobile of any kind. My problem I guess is not with them decrediting a creditless competition ... more the douches who actually paid money to pick up a telephone and ensure their success.

/rant

[Niamh.]

Most of Europe take it seriously. That's also why we were booed off the stage when we thought it would be utter hillarity to put a puppet turkey up to do a number. I will look foward to the same thing happening this year.

Yeah it's car crash TV but Ireland was looking to regain some of the past fame it had in the competition and actually had a few credible songs from credible songwriters on offer this year. Instead we vote for these two absoloute helmets who have no right to be anywhere near even the most riddiculous of song contests.

At the risk of sounding pretentious even at their age I would be smart enough to say 'no thank you' to whatever agent my mum and Louis Walsh hired to rope me into the Eurovision. I would say 'no thank you, but I'm really no fit for this'. Jedward clearly have no qualms about 'avin der bit of fun' and dicking around to the delight of nobody over the age of twelve.

It's creepy and I hope someone runs into them with an automobile of any kind. My problem I guess is not with them decrediting a creditless competition ... more the douches who actually paid money to pick up a telephone and ensure their success.

/rant

lmao at you putting the word credible in post about the eurovision. The eurovision is cheesey as are Jedward, perfectly suited if you ask me.

[Novo]

Blue are a lot more credible then Jedward.. I feel sorry for the Irish that they are representing them

[Beastie]

Most of Europe take it seriously. That's also why we were booed off the stage when we thought it would be utter hillarity to put a puppet turkey up to do a number. I will look foward to the same thing happening this year.

Yeah it's car crash TV but Ireland was looking to regain some of the past fame it had in the competition and actually had a few credible songs from credible songwriters on offer this year. Instead we vote for these two absoloute helmets who have no right to be anywhere near even the most riddiculous of song contests.

At the risk of sounding pretentious even at their age I would be smart enough to say 'no thank you' to whatever agent my mum and Louis Walsh hired to rope me into the Eurovision. I would say 'no thank you, but I'm really no fit for this'. Jedward clearly have no qualms about 'avin der bit of fun' and dicking around to the delight of nobody over the age of twelve.

It's creepy and I hope someone runs into them with an automobile of any kind. My problem I guess is not with them decrediting a creditless competition ... more the douches who actually paid money to pick up a telephone and ensure their success.

/rant

The luck of the Irish! :hugesmile:

[Novo]

lmao at you putting the word credible in post about the eurovision. The eurovision is cheesey as are Jedward, perfectly suited if you ask me.

In fact now you put it that way Blue are far to good for this ****ty show

[Niamh.]

In fact now you put it that way Blue are far to good for this ****ty show

most likely

[Stu]

lmao at you putting the word credible in post about the eurovision. The eurovision is cheesey as are Jedward, perfectly suited if you ask me.
I called it a creditless competition. Stop being daft.

[InOne]

I can't quite work out Jedward. Dunno if it's all an act or if they're just a little slow or something. The way they act, it's just socially abnormal D:

[Niamh.]

I called it a creditless competition. Stop being daft.

I'm not being daft, I just think it's a pretty cheesy, rubbish competition and I do genuinely think Jedward are well suited to it. Any decent acts we've had in it lately do terrible anyway, same with the UK

[Niamh.]

I can't quite work out Jedward. Dunno if it's all an act or if they're just a little slow or something. The way they act, it's just socially abnormal D:

I think it's a bit of both, I do think they're a bit slow but also exaggerate it

[Jessica.]

I bought their single from itunes this morning, I love it. :love: They are great, I think they are well suited for the eurovision tbh. :amazed:

[Stu]

I'm not being daft, I just think it's a pretty cheesy, rubbish competition and I do genuinely think Jedward are well suited to it. Any decent acts we've had in it lately do terrible anyway, same with the UK
It's just really annoying constantly mentioning the point 'but but but it's cheesy anyway' when I already know that. And I already said that.

Like I said I'm more concerned for the mental welfare of the good folks that pushed them through by phoning in I suppose.

Now that it's settled in I'm kind of glad it's happened I suppose. Watching them continually get zero points will be a joy during the voting stages.

[Princess]

They can't be much worse than the turkey. I havn't even heard the song though.

[Pyramid*]

The Eurovision Song Contest is only good for showing how little talent each country has, and has the balls to put forward as supposedly credible singers. Good for a laugh, that's for sure.

[MTVN]

Quite a lot of Europe do actually take the contest quite seriously, they often send acts that are quite big in their own country

[Jessica.]

Jedward are big in Ireland though.

[Pyramid*]

Jedward are big in Ireland though.

There's a joke in there .........

[MTVN]

I'm not being daft, I just think it's a pretty cheesy, rubbish competition and I do genuinely think Jedward are well suited to it. Any decent acts we've had in it lately do terrible anyway, same with the UK

A couple of years ago we launched a big campaign to find our Eurovision act and she toured round Europe promoting her song and ended up coming fifth, you can quite easily do well in the competition if you take it a little bit seriously. If you just enter acts like Jedward or Andy Abraham like we did, it's no surprise when they fail to pick up points, and lose out to the countries who did actually put forward a half-decent act.

[Jessica.]

There's a joke in there .........

O_o

[Pyramid*]

A couple of years ago we launched a big campaign to find our Eurovision act and she toured round Europe promoting her song and ended up coming fifth, you can quite easily do well in the competition if you take it a little bit seriously. If you just enter acts like Jedward or Andy Abraham like we did, it's no surprise when they fail to pick up points, and lose out to the countries who did actually put forward a half-decent act.

Fair point MTVN.

[Niamh.]

It's just really annoying constantly mentioning the point 'but but but it's cheesy anyway' when I already know that. And I already said that.

Like I said I'm more concerned for the mental welfare of the good folks that pushed them through by phoning in I suppose.

Now that it's settled in I'm kind of glad it's happened I suppose. Watching them continually get zero points will be a joy during the voting stages.

ok, well, look I realise they're pretty crap but I just find them hilarious, I can't help the fact that they amuse me no end, I wasn't planning on watching the Eurovision this year but I probably will now because they're in it:joker:

[Niamh.]

Jedward are big in Ireland though.

are they? I never hear of them on the radio or anything though admittedly I don't have any of the Irish channels (don't ask!)

[Niamh.]

A couple of years ago we launched a big campaign to find our Eurovision act and she toured round Europe promoting her song and ended up coming fifth, you can quite easily do well in the competition if you take it a little bit seriously. If you just enter acts like Jedward or Andy Abraham like we did, it's no surprise when they fail to pick up points, and lose out to the countries who did actually put forward a half-decent act.

I quite like Andy

[Jessica.]

are they? I never hear of them on the radio or anything though admittedly I don't have any of the Irish channels (don't ask!)

:joker:

They mention them a lot on the radio I think. :o They got to #1 and stuff, they are very popular.

[MTVN]

I quite like Andy

So did I, he was my favourite from that year :D He was never going to do well though, it was no surprise we scored so few points that year

[Niamh.]

So did I, he was my favourite from that year :D He was never going to do well though, it was no surprise we scored so few points that year

yeah and this is why I think Jedward are suited and decent acts are wasted tbh

[joeysteele]

I hope they win it too, it will be great. Ireland have won it the most times and although countries say they don't want to win, they do.

Go on Jedward, I can't wait.

[Locke.]

They will be going the same way Jemini did a few years ago for us

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_Baby_(Jemini_song)

[Stacey.]

I actually loved the UK's last year, am sure it was Josh Dubovie or someone. He sang well and was hot :love:

[Stu]

I hope they win it too, it will be great. Ireland have won it the most times and although countries say they don't want to win, they do.

Go on Jedward, I can't wait.
No, we really don't want to win. We can't afford to host it next year. Father Ted was prophetic and 100% on the money with this.

Also Jedward are not big in Ireland. Let's not go crazy. They fill GAA halls with twelve year olds and have had one novelty #1 that faded as fast as my last hangover. That's not 'big in Ireland'.

Also, that bloke Don Mescal that was in the running last night played all the time in a pub we used to frequent back in Portugal when we used to holiday there.

Far out.

[joeysteele]

No, we really don't want to win. We can't afford to host it next year. Father Ted was prophetic and 100% on the money with this.

Also Jedward are not big in Ireland. Let's not go crazy. They fill GAA halls with twelve year olds and have had one novelty #1 that faded as fast as my last hangover. That's not 'big in Ireland'.

Also, that bloke Don Mescal that was in the running last night played all the time in a pub we used to frequent back in Portugal when we used to holiday there.

Far out.

They had a number one album too which had massive advance orders for it too. That's no fluke.

They represent the real fun and full of life side of Ireland, I have many Irish friends and family from my Mother's parents side, they all adore Jedward and are over the moon that they are representing Ireland.

I can really see them doing well in Eurovision and even winning it.

[Stu]

They had a number one album too which had massive advance orders for it too. That's no fluke.

They represent the real fun and full of life side of Ireland, I have many Irish friends and family from my Mother's parents side, they all adore Jedward and are over the moon that they are representing Ireland.

I can really see them doing well in Eurovision and even winning it.
My full time job is living on an island full of Irish people and I can tell you that for the most part you are wrong. Sure some kids and mammies love them - the same ones who got the album - but calling them 'big in Ireland' is ridonkulos. Most Irish people despise and revile them. That's from someone who lives in Ireland.

[BB_Eye]

The only listenable part of Eurovision is the intro.
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[joeysteele]

My full time job is living on an island full of Irish people and I can tell you that for the most part you are wrong. Sure some kids and mammies love them - the same ones who got the album - but calling them 'big in Ireland' is ridonkulos. Most Irish people despise and revile them. That's from someone who lives in Ireland.

Well obviously I cannot say you are wrong but I have relations living in Ireland too, I don't, but I talk to them the most because I love the Irish people,I have many friends there too, from Mullingar, to Dublin to Killarney and many other places too, who when I talk to them, if we talk about Jedward or the Charts there,they always sing massive praises of them.

I even came to Ireland to see Jedward in concert and the audience was very wide, adults there because they liked them, adults there with their younger kids, teenagers and also other people in their 20s and 30s, none of whom said a bad thing about them as they left,all had a great night and loved every minute of a truly entertaining, lively and varied performance by them.

So I can only speak from what I hear and what I have seen myself,clearly you and I do not talk to the same people but I think you may find Jedward are far more than just well liked in Ireland and also soon they will be over Europe too and the States.

Companies spending money advertising are in a queue to get Jedward for their ads,that in itself shows the potential those comapnies feel they have to reach big audiences.

All that aside, I just hope they do really well in the Contest and I somehow think the vast majority of people in Ireland watching the Eurovision song contest will be right behind them all the way and loving every minute. As I will here in England too.

[BB_Eye]

Well obviously I cannot say you are wrong but I have relations living in Ireland too, I don't, but I talk to them the most because I love the Irish people,I have many friends there too, from Mullingar, to Dublin to Killarney and many other places too, who when I talk to them, if we talk about Jedward or the Charts there,they always sing massive praises of them.

I even came to Ireland to see Jedward in concert and the audience was very wide, adults there because they liked them, adults there with their younger kids, teenagers and also other people in their 20s and 30s, none of whom said a bad thing about them as they left,all had a great night and loved every minute of a truly entertaining, lively and varied performance by them.

So I can only speak from what I hear and what I have seen myself,clearly you and I do not talk to the same people but I think you may find Jedward are far more than just well liked in Ireland and also soon they will be over Europe too and the States.
:crazy:

Companies spending money advertising are in a queue to get Jedward for their ads,that in itself shows the potential those comapnies feel they have to reach big audiences.Newsflash, advertisers cling to the latest fads and flashes in the pan like leeches to dead flesh. If you judge somebody's merit and lasting appeal on their bankability to advertisers, you are beyond help.

All that aside, I just hope they do really well in the Contest and I somehow think the vast majority of people in Ireland watching the Eurovision song contest will be right behind them all the way and loving every minute. As I will here in England too.I know I'll be enjoying it. The results that is.

[Iceman]

They arent that big here, louis walsh has friends in high places so they get in the media a lot......they hype they have is certainly nowhere near to the actual fanbase.....

[Stu]

You found Jedward fans at a Jedward concert? Fair ****ing play.

Companies are lining up to get Jedward in their adverts because Jedward have their legs spread wide open to be nailed hard and fast by any potential corporation. Louis Walsh and whoever else is pulling the strings is pushing them into adverts hard and fast because it is their main money spin. Most reality stars do the advert circuit in their dying days. Jedward started it right away. They have had more adverts than hit singles and thus have to be considered a first ballot pick for the great party in the underworld.

Ask any Irish member of this forum not named Jessica and they will tell you that in general they are despised by the masses as two insignificant turds. That fact is in no way debased by the fact that they can fill venues and flog greasy Abrakebabra meals to four year olds and their thick mothers. Of course they can. But the masses despise them.

[InOne]

Let us be thankful Jedward Fever isn't here.

[Iceman]

Let us be thankful Jedward Fever isn't here.

I got the jab woop woop..... watch out for Bieber fever too it's more painful than death.

[InOne]

I got the jab woop woop..... watch out for Bieber fever too it's more painful than death.

I meant the member lol That weird one

[Iceman]

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/FAIL

I thougght you meant here as in the UK, im gonna go set myself on fire now.

[Jords]

Thought we were just getting rid of them too. Not heard of them in ages.

[Niamh.]

You found Jedward fans at a Jedward concert? Fair ****ing play.

Companies are lining up to get Jedward in their adverts because Jedward have their legs spread wide open to be nailed hard and fast by any potential corporation. Louis Walsh and whoever else is pulling the strings is pushing them into adverts hard and fast because it is their main money spin. Most reality stars do the advert circuit in their dying days. Jedward started it right away. They have had more adverts than hit singles and thus have to be considered a first ballot pick for the great party in the underworld.

Ask any Irish member of this forum not named Jessica and they will tell you that in general they are despised by the masses as two insignificant turds. That fact is in no way debased by the fact that they can fill venues and flog greasy Abrakebabra meals to four year olds and their thick mothers. Of course they can. But the masses despise them.

this is true.

[Zippy]

I quite like Andy

Andy had a great voice and I personally liked that song he did. It was too good for eurovision if anything!

Ridiculous to lump a great singer in with Jedward.

[joeysteele]

:crazy:

Newsflash, advertisers cling to the latest fads and flashes in the pan like leeches to dead flesh. If you judge somebody's merit and lasting appeal on their bankability to advertisers, you are beyond help.

I know I'll be enjoying it. The results that is.

Advertisers also know who will increase their sales of their services and products and that's why they not only use celebrities but pay vast sums to secure them for their ads, David Beckham as an example. An extreme example I admit, but Jedward have just landed a million pound advertising deal and that's not peanuts and shows their status as sales and service generators for the companies using them.

This is about the Eurovision song contest though,I just wish them well in it for Ireland, I hope they win and sadly the argument will always be by those who don't like them to say they are talentless and not popular.
However, clearly the Irish people have just voted for them to represent them in the contest. Much to the great delight of those of us who do like them and realise they are young guys who are entertaining and doing their best.
Making a very lucrative and strong living out of it too.

[Kerry]

Well it'll be erm.... entertaining....... :laugh:

When I posted that thread saying they were in the running I never thought they'd actually win :shocked:

[red]

I predict they'll win... And I haven't even heard their song , EV is all about the gimmicks and jedward are just that
Perfect.

[Novo]

Ireland won't win because they don't have the backing of enough countries, they will get a few 4 or 5's here and there though

[Zippy]

I predict they'll win... And I haven't even heard their song , EV is all about the gimmicks and jedward are just that
Perfect.

I don't think it is about gimmicks actually.

so I predict they won't win.

I can barely be bothered to say how awful it is. No surprise whatsoever that their vocals are minimilised to the nth degree.

[joeysteele]

Ireland won't win because they don't have the backing of enough countries, they will get a few 4 or 5's here and there though

Actually in a more open contest, those kind of votes 5 to 8s could be enough to win if it was near across the board. That of course is 'if' the voting in Eurovision this year will be the same as last year.

[Kerry]

It's been a political contest for years now. I just watch for Terry (past) and now Grahams remarks :joker:

[Stu]

Advertisers also know who will increase their sales of their services and products and that's why they not only use celebrities but pay vast sums to secure them for their ads, David Beckham as an example. An extreme example I admit, but Jedward have just landed a million pound advertising deal and that's not peanuts and shows their status as sales and service generators for the companies using them.

This is about the Eurovision song contest though,I just wish them well in it for Ireland, I hope they win and sadly the argument will always be by those who don't like them to say they are talentless and not popular.
However, clearly the Irish people have just voted for them to represent them in the contest. Much to the great delight of those of us who do like them and realise they are young guys who are entertaining and doing their best.
Making a very lucrative and strong living out of it too.
The entire nation didn't vote on that show for **** sake. It recieved a very low viewer response and obviously an already established, kid friendly act would have gotten the votes. Lots or parents would have done it for their kids who were in the room watching.

Stop pretending Ireland has a love affair with the two. Out of everyone in Ireland or even out of those who even watched the show how many do you think voted? It was an utterly miniscule, insignifigant amount.

[Novo]

Actually in a more open contest, those kind of votes 5 to 8s could be enough to win if it was near across the board. That of course is 'if' the voting in Eurovision this year will be the same as last year.

But it hasn't been an open contest for years.. so it's not going to be enough, there is always a few countries that create a massive lead over the rest and pick up 10 & 12 points from neighbouring countries

[joeysteele]

But it hasn't been an open contest for years.. so it's not going to be enough, there is always a few countries that create a massive lead over the rest and pick up 10 & 12 points from neighbouring countries

You are absolutely right, but Ireland is not as hated like the UK is across the newer countries who vote highly for each other,if the song is liked and you have 2 full of life characters like Jedward then as with Norway one year who always got near no points every year, then the votes can swing their way.

I accept its a political contest now but Ireland is seen as a better country than the UK.

To the comment by Stu that the whole of Ireland didn't vote for Jedward to be the representing act for the country,that's also true , but of all the choices to represent Ireland in the contest, they were the ones chosen by public vote, so maybe you are right that the whole country may not love Jedward but they certainly don't appear to dislike them much either.Certainly not the way you do anyway.

I think they are well suited to Eurovision, I think Louis also knows full well, this can really establish them worldwide,they are likely to at some point in the future become like an Ant and Dec, love them or hate them,they are here to stay, the haters of them can huff and puff all they like until they go red in the face but Louis is going to keep these lads well in the media and develop a massive career for them on TV,likely even in the States too.

[Stu]

Yes, they do dislike them much. Take the Crazy Frog analogy. It was a number one song yet most people disliked it. Hated it. Simple. I don't know how else to explain this to you.

[Pyramid*]

It's been a political contest for years now. I just watch for Terry (past) and now Grahams remarks :joker:

This.

It was one of the highlights of the show when I used to watch it when Terry Wogan was presenting - with his wicked one liners and pot shots at which country would vote for which, with his not so 'tongue in cheek' acknowledgement that allies were sooking up each others arses to keep in each others good books. Even if the songs were the worst thing ever.....

As I said earlier: the contest is a joke. Anyone taking it seriously need their heads looked at.

[joeysteele]

Yes, they do dislike them much. Take the Crazy Frog analogy. It was a number one song yet most people disliked it. Hated it. Simple. I don't know how else to explain this to you.

I think its best that you and I just agree to diagree on this one.
I know what my friends,their friends and my family all across Ireland think of Jedward and its nothing like the massive dislike you are stating.

Neither of us know the whole populations thoughts, but it seems when it has the chance, Ireland always supports Jedwards ventures, buys their records and gave them a number one album. Now of those who did vote more wanted Jedward to represent their country in Eurovision. So they can't be that disliked there.

I will leave it at that and agree to disagree with you.All the best to you anyway.

[Stu]

No, neither of us know the whole populations thoughts but I have the advantage of living here. Ireland doesn't 'support Jedward ventures'. The people who buy Jedward products do. Again I point you to the Crazy Frog analogy. Your line of logic here is baffling. It seems to be just the Irish who support IRA attacks too. Well, a few of us do. We have as many hardcore republicans as we do Jedward fans I imagine. It doesn't mean the entire nation has a fascination with driving boats armed with plastic explosives into the river Thames for christ sake.

By the way you should check out the sales figures for Irish album charts. It really doesn't take a lot to get to number one.

[joeysteele]

This.

...

As I said earlier: the contest is a joke. Anyone taking it seriously need their heads looked at.

I agree Pyramid, it is more of a joke but a highly prestigious one for International recognition. I actually find I like the diversity of the other countries and the songs they put in,its a highly enjoyable joke but that's only my opinion.

I don't take it seriously,but enjoy it enormously.as do all my student friends who watch it avidly too. It still gets a massive audience watching it and voting in it too.

[Pyramid*]

I agree Pyramid, it is more of a joke but a highly prestigious one for International recognition. I actually find I like the diversity of the other countries and the songs they put in,its a highly enjoyable joke but that's only my opinion.

I don't take it seriously,but enjoy it enormously.as do all my student friends who watch it avidly too. It still gets a massive audience watching it and voting in it too.

Highly prestigious? Oh come on!!! :hugesmile:

It's never that in it's life. Entertaining in a completely inane way, but never ever could it be considered of prestigious International recognition.

[joeysteele]

No, neither of us know the whole populations thoughts but I have the advantage of living here. Ireland doesn't 'support Jedward ventures'. The people who buy Jedward products do. Again I point you to the Crazy Frog analogy. Your line of logic here is baffling. It seems to be just the Irish who support IRA attacks too. Well, a few of us do. We have as many hardcore republicans as we do Jedward fans I imagine. It doesn't mean the entire nation has a fascination with driving boats armed with plastic explosives into the river Thames for christ sake.

By the way you should check out the sales figures for Irish album charts. It really doesn't take a lot to get to number one.

I have said I think it best we agree to diagree on Jedward in the Eurovision song contest.

Your post above has me totally baffled and I have no intention of responding to the contents of it.

I have enjoyed mosy of our banter on theis and wish you well, all best wishes,have a good remainder of the weekend.

[Stu]

I have said I think it best we agree to diagree on Jedward in the Eurovision song contest.

Your post above has me totally baffled and I have no intention of responding to the contents of it.

I have enjoyed mosy of our banter on theis and wish you well, all best wishes,have a good remainder of the weekend.
Yes you said it was best to agree to disagree then continued on arguing, which is why I responded.

If you want to agree to disagree you don't need my permission. Just stop replying to my posts.

[joeysteele]

Highly prestigious? Oh come on!!! :hugesmile:

It's never that in it's life. Entertaining in a completely inane way, but never ever could it be considered of prestigious International recognition.

Surprised you take that line sadly, it used to be the vehicle for some artists to break through worldwide, Celine Dion,Johnny Logan had massive world success and they were in Eurovision but it openred the door for loads of UK acts across Europe after they represented the UK.

The last 7 or 8 years it has lost that status but it did if you read the history of Eurovision,open the door for many acts worldwide that otherwise may have stayed closed to them.

[joeysteele]

Yes you said it was best to agree to disagree then continued on arguing, which is why I responded.

If you want to agree to disagree you don't need my permission. Just stop replying to my posts.

And you to mine also please,

[Stu]

And you to mine also please,
That's for me to decide isin't it? And I'm having too much fun now that it's apparent that you have some weird obsession with having the last post.

[Pyramid*]

Surprised you take that line sadly, it used to be the vehicle for some artists to break through worldwide, Celine Dion,Johnny Logan had massive world success and they were in Eurovision but it openred the door for loads of UK acts across Europe after they represented the UK.

The last 7 or 8 years it has lost that status but it did if you read the history of Eurovision,open the door for many acts worldwide that otherwise may have stayed closed to them.


It might have opened the doors, in that it gave them a platform to be heard, but they still would not have won due to talent, but due to who was pally with who, which country had fallen out with which one, and what countries were trying to curry favour with others. If the winning country happened to have a singer/group who were half decent, I'd have thought that was a lucky byproduct for the singer/group concerned - - but to class it as Highly Prestigious on an international level? Nope, can't agree on that one at all.

And I'd say it's been a laughing stock for about double the length of time you feel it lost it's way - if not even longer than that.

[MTVN]

It might have opened the doors, in that it gave them a platform to be heard, but they still would not have won due to talent, but due to who was pally with who, which country had fallen out with which one, and what countries were trying to curry favour with others. If the winning country happened to have a singer/group who were half decent, I'd have thought that was a lucky byproduct for the singer/group concerned - - but to class it as Highly Prestigious on an international level? Nope, can't agree on that one at all.

And I'd say it's been a laughing stock for about double the length of time you feel it lost it's way - if not even longer than that.

I dont think that used to be the case, look which 4 countries have won it the most; Ireland, France, the UK & Luxembourg. None of those countries have that many guranteed votes, or that many other countries that can be relied on to give them points. It's become a lot more about voting for your neighbours since Yugoslavia was dissolved but before then I dont necessarily think it was. It was Eurovision that first launched the career of Abba who went on to become one the most successful bands of all time, I dont think you can just put that win down to Sweden being "pally" with other countries

[joeysteele]

Good heavens,MTVN thank you. How on earth did I forget to mention ABBA one of the biggest groups ever that may never have broken through but for Eurovision.

[Pyramid*]

It might have opened the doors, in that it gave them a platform to be heard, but they still would not have won due to talent, but due to who was pally with who, which country had fallen out with which one, and what countries were trying to curry favour with others. If the winning country happened to have a singer/group who were half decent, I'd have thought that was a lucky byproduct for the singer/group concerned - - but to class it as Highly Prestigious on an international level? Nope, can't agree on that one at all.

And I'd say it's been a laughing stock for about double the length of time you feel it lost it's way - if not even longer than that.

I dont think that used to be the case, look which 4 countries have won it the most; Ireland, France, the UK & Luxembourg. None of those countries have that many guranteed votes, or that many other countries that can be relied on to give them points. It's become a lot more about voting for your neighbours since Yugoslavia was dissolved but before then I dont necessarily think it was. It was Eurovision that first launched the career of Abba who went on to become one the most successful bands of all time, I dont think you can just put that win down to Sweden being "pally" with other countries

Abba won in 1974. 36 years ago. You'll see the last part of my post above, bolded in blue - made reference to it being a laughing stock and not to be taken seriously for quite some time.

I didn't suggest the policital aspect had any impact 36 years ago: given that Joeysteele quoted 7 or 8 years and I suggested double that time frame - that's clearly the point at which I personally fel the political side came into play and at which point politics decided the winner rather than talent.

[Pyramid*]

Good heavens,MTVN thank you. How on earth did I forget to mention ABBA one of the biggest groups ever that may never have broken through but for Eurovision.

Possibly because you weren't even born then to be aware of the difference between in the show way back in the 70's, and how it has changed over the decades.....just a thought!

[patsylimerick]

So here's the thing with Jedward. When they first appeared on our screen, I hid behind my hands and cringed, as I did for quite a few weeks. The smallies make me watch X Factor and I found them growing on me against my better judgement. And here's why.
They are unfailingly polite, positive and full of energy. They are somewhat talented, though not greatly, but make up for that by working like Clydesdales, exuding energy and positivity and accepting criticism with a 'fair enough, but our fans like us so we'll keep doing it for them'. They don't respond with 'g'way u sad &^%$ you have a sad little life and I've got a new car nanananaa'. They carry on with what they're doing.
Friday night they were on cloud 9,999,999 because they were (just) selected to represent Ireland in the Eurovision. Their excitement was infectious.
They are polite and sweet and, In One, I think Niamh is bang on, not the sharpest knives in the drawer but extremely driven. They are well spoken (if you can get past the weird planet Jedward pseudo-American accents ). According to several industry insiders who have spoken about them on the X Factor and since, they work twice as hard as everyone around them and then for a little bit longer. They have been booed by thousands and never once utter a word in martyrdom. NEVER. They understand that they are not to everyone's taste and are immensely grateful to have the fans that they have.
They are, in actual fact, the exact opposite in attitude and demeanour to so many zelebrities and, in particular, the spawn of some Reality shows we are all familiar with. A perfect contrast. I'm delighted for them.

[patsylimerick]

Most of Europe take it seriously. That's also why we were booed off the stage when we thought it would be utter hillarity to put a puppet turkey up to do a number. I will look foward to the same thing happening this year.

Yeah it's car crash TV but Ireland was looking to regain some of the past fame it had in the competition and actually had a few credible songs from credible songwriters on offer this year. Instead we vote for these two absoloute helmets who have no right to be anywhere near even the most riddiculous of song contests.

At the risk of sounding pretentious even at their age I would be smart enough to say 'no thank you' to whatever agent my mum and Louis Walsh hired to rope me into the Eurovision. I would say 'no thank you, but I'm really no fit for this'. Jedward clearly have no qualms about 'avin der bit of fun' and dicking around to the delight of nobody over the age of twelve.

It's creepy and I hope someone runs into them with an automobile of any kind. My problem I guess is not with them decrediting a creditless competition ... more the douches who actually paid money to pick up a telephone and ensure their success.

/rant

No, we really don't want to win. We can't afford to host it next year. Father Ted was prophetic and 100% on the money with this.Also Jedward are not big in Ireland. Let's not go crazy. They fill GAA halls with twelve year olds and have had one novelty #1 that faded as fast as my last hangover. That's not 'big in Ireland'.

Also, that bloke Don Mescal that was in the running last night played all the time in a pub we used to frequent back in Portugal when we used to holiday there.

Far out.


Firstly, which is is, Stu? We do or we don't?
Secondly, Ireland won the Eurovision in 92, 93 and 94. From mid-Summer 94 on the running joke in every pub and around every kitchen table was where we could find a bad enough song so we wouldn't win it again. Father Ted was made between 1995 and 1998. Prophetic? Emm. No.

[Stu]

Firstly, which is is, Stu? We do or we don't?
Secondly, Ireland won the Eurovision in 92, 93 and 94. From mid-Summer 94 on the running joke in every pub and around every kitchen table was where we could find a bad enough song so we wouldn't win it again. Father Ted was made between 1995 and 1998. Prophetic? Emm. No.
I don't see the contradiction. Eurovision nuts and the other songwriters wanted a credible song to be put in. RTE would favour a loss because they would be the ones who would have to foot the bill the next year.

[joeysteele]

Possibly because you weren't even born then to be aware of the difference between in the show way back in the 70's, and how it has changed over the decades.....just a thought!

I accept your point to be fair to you, maybe 7 to 8 years was too much a small time to give, so I accept that I was over zealous to Eurovision on that point and concede you make a better point on that time scale than I did, however you also did say the Eurovision had 'never' in its life been prestigious.


Time was until the mid 90s at least that the winning song of Eurovision near always charted here in the UK and in other countries,often very highly too which gave that act a introduction and success in many countries that may otherwise likely not have happened for them.

It has a history and as MTVN pointed ABBA, admittedly from 1974,Waterloo I am told was considered a joke entry but what it led to was one of the best and most successful groups of the 70s and 80s, Worldwide.

I love the whole show that is Eurovision,its not all bad and its not all good and no matter the result its good in my opinion to have so many nations of the World involved that one night in a contest.
Loved or hated,its ran since the mid 1950s and seems to in no way be running out of steam yet.

[Zippy]

They are unfailingly polite, positive and full of energy.

No, they are rude, arrogant and obnoxious. Like when they went into the BB house and rammed past certain HMs.

They only started to tone down the arrogance when they re-appeared for the live shows on XF. Clearly they'd been instructed to change their behaviour by Louis walsh because they needed to actually win votes from the public.

[Stu]

Looks like we are cracking open a few Eurovision closets eh? Come on out folks.

It is a circus of forgettable euro-pap and high camp, a musical black hole of unfathomable depth and a huge waste of time, money and effort in a celebration of utterly meaningless mediocrity.

Though the gheys seem to love it.

[Pyramid*]

I accept your point to be fair to you, maybe 7 to 8 years was too much a small time to give, so I accept that I was over zealous to Eurovision on that point and concede you make a better point on that time scale than I did, however you also did say the Eurovision had 'never' in its life been prestigious.


Time was until the mid 90s at least that the winning song of Eurovision near always charted here in the UK and in other countries,often very highly too which gave that act a introduction and success in many countries that may otherwise likely not have happened for them.

It has a history and as MTVN pointed ABBA, admittedly from 1974,Waterloo I am told was considered a joke entry but what it led to was one of the best and most successful groups of the 70s and 80s, Worldwide.

I love the whole show that is Eurovision,its not all bad and its not all good and no matter the result its good in my opinion to have so many nations of the World involved that one night in a contest.
Loved or hated,its ran since the mid 1950s and seems to in no way be running out of steam yet.


Which has been my point all along. It never was a competition that was ever taken too seriously. Entertaining, but not to be taken seriously.

Kudos to Abba and some of the other acts that came off the back of it - many of them from the UK (ie: Cliff Richard, Lulu, Olivia Newton John -ok an aussie -, Black Lace and many others) but as I say, I seriously couldn't give it the International Prestige that you placed upon it.

[joeysteele]

So here's the thing with Jedward. When they first appeared on our screen, I hid behind my hands and cringed, as I did for quite a few weeks. The smallies make me watch X Factor and I found them growing on me against my better judgement. And here's why.
They are unfailingly polite, positive and full of energy. They are somewhat talented, though not greatly, but make up for that by working like Clydesdales, exuding energy and positivity and accepting criticism with a 'fair enough, but our fans like us so we'll keep doing it for them'. They don't respond with 'g'way u sad &^%$ you have a sad little life and I've got a new car nanananaa'. They carry on with what they're doing.
Friday night they were on cloud 9,999,999 because they were (just) selected to represent Ireland in the Eurovision. Their excitement was infectious.
They are polite and sweet and, In One, I think Niamh is bang on, not the sharpest knives in the drawer but extremely driven. They are well spoken (if you can get past the weird planet Jedward pseudo-American accents ). According to several industry insiders who have spoken about them on the X Factor and since, they work twice as hard as everyone around them and then for a little bit longer. They have been booed by thousands and never once utter a word in martyrdom. NEVER. They understand that they are not to everyone's taste and are immensely grateful to have the fans that they have.
They are, in actual fact, the exact opposite in attitude and demeanour to so many zelebrities and, in particular, the spawn of some Reality shows we are all familiar with. A perfect contrast. I'm delighted for them.

I 100% agree with you on this really good post, the only difference is I liked Jedward on the X Factor right from the auditions,but really, congratulations on a really informative and very fair post.

[patsylimerick]

No, they are rude, arrogant and obnoxious. Like when they went into the BB house and rammed past certain HMs.

They only started to tone down the arrogance when they re-appeared for the live shows on XF. Clearly they'd been instructed to change their behaviour by Louis walsh because they needed to actually win votes from the public.

I don't know if you missed the point of the Ignore the Obvious task. They did exactly what they were asked to do and it was hilarious. The most hilarious part of it was the look on that pathetic twonk Andrew's face. If he was looking at me like that, he'd have got a lot more than rammed. That silly little twerp - who was going to go in and confront Dave, remember?, and ends up at Gloryfest a few months later because his nose is so deeply embedded in the obnoxious JJ's arse. John, or Edward, or whoever it was, didn't ram him half hard enough.

edit: so other when they did what they were asked to do and cause chaos - where's the link for someone who spent time with them describing them as rude and/or obnoxious? I'd love to see it.

[Pyramid*]

So here's the thing with Jedward. When they first appeared on our screen, I hid behind my hands and cringed, as I did for quite a few weeks. The smallies make me watch X Factor and I found them growing on me against my better judgement. And here's why.
They are unfailingly polite, positive and full of energy. They are somewhat talented, though not greatly, but make up for that by working like Clydesdales, exuding energy and positivity and accepting criticism with a 'fair enough, but our fans like us so we'll keep doing it for them'. They don't respond with 'g'way u sad &^%$ you have a sad little life and I've got a new car nanananaa'. They carry on with what they're doing.
Friday night they were on cloud 9,999,999 because they were (just) selected to represent Ireland in the Eurovision. Their excitement was infectious.
They are polite and sweet and, In One, I think Niamh is bang on, not the sharpest knives in the drawer but extremely driven. They are well spoken (if you can get past the weird planet Jedward pseudo-American accents ). According to several industry insiders who have spoken about them on the X Factor and since, they work twice as hard as everyone around them and then for a little bit longer. They have been booed by thousands and never once utter a word in martyrdom. NEVER. They understand that they are not to everyone's taste and are immensely grateful to have the fans that they have.
They are, in actual fact, the exact opposite in attitude and demeanour to so many zelebrities and, in particular, the spawn of some Reality shows we are all familiar with. A perfect contrast. I'm delighted for them.

Fair points you've raised Patsy. I don't like them but in all honestly, now that you've put up this post, I can't recall them taking the high and mighty stance - but they do seem to take it on the chin and just get on with what they are doing. so yep, I can see where you are coming from.

[Zippy]

where's the link for someone who spent time with them describing them as rude and/or obnoxious? I'd love to see it.

Link? firstly, I dont care enough to find links, my dear.

and maybe your memory fails you but after the XF pre-recorded auditions were aired everybody was slagging them and commenting on their obnoxious arrogant attitudes. Everybody.

Then, just like with Darius, somebody seemed to have coached them into acting more likeable when they returned for the live XF shows months after. Because being obnoxious and full of yourself doesn't win public votes.

and the reason they don't complain about all the boo's and hatred is because they are well aware that they are DAMN LUCKY to be where they are. Y'know, given that they clearly have no talent whatsoever!

pffft its bad enough arguing with Gaga obsessives now Im having to deal with Jedward fanatics? I wouldnt bother normally but Im bored enough to right now.

[patsylimerick]

Link? firstly, I dont care enough to find links, my dear.

and maybe your memory fails you but after the XF pre-recorded auditions were aired everybody was slagging them and commenting on their obnoxious arrogant attitudes. Everybody.

Then, just like with Darius, somebody seemed to have coached them into acting more likeable when they returned for the live XF shows months after. Because being obnoxious and full of yourself doesn't win public votes.

and the reason they don't complain about all the boo's and hatred is because they are well aware that they are DAMN LUCKY to be where they are. Y'know, given that they clearly have no talent whatsoever!

pffft its bad enough arguing with Gaga obsessives now Im having to deal with Jedward fanatics? I wouldnt bother normally but Im bored enough to right now.

BIB 1. Who? Simon Cowell and the viewers? How do they know what they're like? Cowell sees less of the contestants than the viewers do and the viewers that I heard talking about it said lots about Jedward being annoying and untalented - but never rude. Never.

BIB 2. I more or less agree with this - I was talking about their attitude, work ethic and energy. Go back and read my initial post again, if you like. Mind you, they can sing as well as Cheryl Cole can..............

BIB 3. :joker: My kids are fans of theirs. They are a long distance from my musical tastes, but as I monitor where my children's interests lie, I've reluctantly seen a fair bit of them and have been surprised by how well they come across. Please stop making ridiculous assumptions and base your responses on what I actually said. Not once did I say anything about their singing, dancing or performing, other than that they are 'mildly' talented; as in, they can hold a tune and, if you're a girl aged under 12, are fairly easy on the eye, I would imagine.

[MTVN]

Link? firstly, I dont care enough to find links, my dear.

and maybe your memory fails you but after the XF pre-recorded auditions were aired everybody was slagging them and commenting on their obnoxious arrogant attitudes. Everybody.

Then, just like with Darius, somebody seemed to have coached them into acting more likeable when they returned for the live XF shows months after. Because being obnoxious and full of yourself doesn't win public votes.

and the reason they don't complain about all the boo's and hatred is because they are well aware that they are DAMN LUCKY to be where they are. Y'know, given that they clearly have no talent whatsoever!

pffft its bad enough arguing with Gaga obsessives now Im having to deal with Jedward fanatics? I wouldnt bother normally but Im bored enough to right now.

Agreed. Cant remember exactly but in the boot camp auditions where different contestants had to sing with each other didnt they sing over someone else bit or something? They didnt strike me as "unfailingly polite" there..

[MTVN]

Looks like we are cracking open a few Eurovision closets eh? Come on out folks.

It is a circus of forgettable euro-pap and high camp, a musical black hole of unfathomable depth and a huge waste of time, money and effort in a celebration of utterly meaningless mediocrity.

Though the gheys seem to love it.

:laugh:

It is actually a guilty pleasure of mine :blush: Sure it's a joke but you just have to accept it for what it is, I'm not going to pretend it epitomises musical talent but it does make for some light-hearted, entertaining viewing

[patsylimerick]

:laugh:

It is actually a guilty pleasure of mine :blush: Sure it's a joke but you just have to accept it for what it is, I'm not going to pretend it epitomises musical talent but it does make for some light-hearted, entertaining viewing

Of course it's shoite, but that's the fun of it. If you take it with a lorry load of salt and listen to the BBC commentary on the voting, it's great craic altogether. Ever since Johnny Logan I've tried to catch it every year. It's become a routine in our house that himself beats a hasty retreat to the pub and I crack open a bottle and laugh my ass off for a couple of hours. Everyone needs a good dose of camp inanity every now and again. It's good for the soul.

[Stu]

Nothing beats Marty Wheelan on RTE. I love hearing him get progressively more pissed off at eastern europe as the voting goes along.

[James]

I don't know if you missed the point of the Ignore the Obvious task. They did exactly what they were asked to do and it was hilarious. The most hilarious part of it was the look on that pathetic twonk Andrew's face. If he was looking at me like that, he'd have got a lot more than rammed. That silly little twerp - who was going to go in and confront Dave, remember?, and ends up at Gloryfest a few months later because his nose is so deeply embedded in the obnoxious JJ's arse. John, or Edward, or whoever it was, didn't ram him half hard enough.

edit: so other when they did what they were asked to do and cause chaos - where's the link for someone who spent time with them describing them as rude and/or obnoxious? I'd love to see it.

You can't compare Big Brother housemates with X Factor. Totally different shows. We don't know what X Factor contestants are really like behind-the-scenes. We never get shown that like BB.

[Kerry]

I see Jedward were in the crowd on Dancing on Ice earlier. Apparent guests of Vanilla Ice. Also jibing the judges (well, Jason) - Keeping up appearances?? :D

[patsylimerick]

You can't compare Big Brother housemates with X Factor. Totally different shows. We don't know what X Factor contestants are really like behind-the-scenes. We never get shown that like BB.

What now? This post refers to John and Edward while they were in the Big Brother house. How is that comparing them to Big Brother housemates? Where did I do that?

[joeysteele]

I thought they were rather funny jibing Jason on Dancing on Ice, it also got them interviewed on the programme, again, wherever they are they are not ignored by the hierarchy there.

They were also funny in the BB house when they were in it however, it is Eurovision they have been chosen to currently represent their country,Ireland in and I hope they do well in it, remembering of course that they have to get throught the semi-final stage first.

I feel sure they will and I hope go on to win the whole thing this year.Good luck to them.

[Niamh.]

I heard the song on the radio earlier and it isn't actually that bad.