Will muslim population of Britain want independence at some point?

[Grimnir]

It has happened quite often in various parts of the world throughout history.

What would your reaction be?

[Liberty4eva]

It has happened quite often in various parts of the world throughout history.

What would your reaction be?

No, they'll just try to change the government rather than demand independence from it. Anyways, my own advice to the Brits (as someone on the outside looking in) is that they need to stop being distracted by some extreme Muslims and start paying attention to that massive European cock that being rammed into the British lion's arse deeper and deeper as time goes by. Maybe you should demand your own independence from the EU.

Going back to this immigration issue, Britain still needs experience taking in immigrants. The amazing thing is America is better than Europe in handling and accepting new immigrants like Muslims. Yes, we're actually better than you at something! :cheer:

[Angus]

They already have it to all intents and purposes:bored: They are the new darlings of the liberal elite.

[InOne]

Pffft they can want, but we'll laugh. Plus it can't happen seen as Sunnis and Shia's hate eachother anyway

[ILoveTRW]

they already do, its called blackburn

[Tom4784]

They already have it to all intents and purposes:bored: They are the new darlings of the liberal elite.

:laugh3:

You're such a hoot Angus.

All this Islam paranoia is so draining, like Liberty said everyone's so focused on the extreme minority that they don't realise that most muslims just want to live here peacefully. Some people need to stop taking the tabloids to heart and actually experience different cultures once in a while instead of griping from their armchairs thinking they know everything because they've read a few badly written newspapers or watched a few documentaries focused on the very worst of a society.

Those kind of things DEPEND on depicting the worst case scenairios, you wouldn't buy a newspaper if the headline was 'All is right with the world' but if you saw 'MUSLIM EXTREMISTS TAKING OVER' chances are you'd be more inclined to look. That's all the media is, showing us the worst to make us listen. Look at the whole Swine flu debacle, weren't we meant to be brought to our knees by it? It was the media telling us the worst possible outcome to make us pay attention.

Most Muslims aren't out to get you, you're more likely to get mugged or assaulted then being killed in a terrorist attack.

[Stu]

the ~LIBERAL ELITE!

[Scarlett.]

Going back to this immigration issue, Britain still needs experience taking in immigrants. The amazing thing is America is better than Europe in handling and accepting new immigrants like Muslims. Yes, we're actually better than you at something! :cheer:

lol k, what about all those Mexican's illegally crossing the border everyday, or those Eastern Europeans sneaking over on the boats? Though you do have a better legal immigration system

[Stu]

The illegal Mexicans don't have the Daily Mail to market them to idiots.

[Scarlett.]

The illegal Mexicans don't have the Daily Mail to market them to idiots.

True, but America has a much worse version of the Daily Mail

http://media.industrygamers.com/editorial/2009/06/fox-news-sex-box.jpg

[Stu]

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[MTVN]

True, but America has a much worse version of the Daily Mail

http://media.industrygamers.com/editorial/2009/06/fox-news-sex-box.jpg

Plus the Tea Party lot :laugh:

http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tea-party-signs2.jpg

[arista]

True, but America has a much worse version of the Daily Mail

http://media.industrygamers.com/editorial/2009/06/fox-news-sex-box.jpg


Yes Chewy Fox News
is Very Funny.

[arista]

It has happened quite often in various parts of the world throughout history.

What would your reaction be?




Not in the UK.


Anyway they can move to Libya or something out there

[Judas]

Quite simply - No. And my reaction to angus ****e -

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[Angus]

:laugh3:

You're such a hoot Angus.

All this Islam paranoia is so draining, like Liberty said everyone's so focused on the extreme minority that they don't realise that most muslims just want to live here peacefully. Some people need to stop taking the tabloids to heart and actually experience different cultures once in a while instead of griping from their armchairs thinking they know everything because they've read a few badly written newspapers or watched a few documentaries focused on the very worst of a society.

Those kind of things DEPEND on depicting the worst case scenairios, you wouldn't buy a newspaper if the headline was 'All is right with the world' but if you saw 'MUSLIM EXTREMISTS TAKING OVER' chances are you'd be more inclined to look. That's all the media is, showing us the worst to make us listen. Look at the whole Swine flu debacle, weren't we meant to be brought to our knees by it? It was the media telling us the worst possible outcome to make us pay attention.

Most Muslims aren't out to get you, you're more likely to get mugged or assaulted then being killed in a terrorist attack.


Don't presume to know me, you silly little boy. When you have some experience of life behind you, I might deign to give a **** about what you have to say. Meanwhile, I suggest you go back to reading the Guardian and Time Out, or whatever other rag you get your deluded opinions from. In other words go patronise someone who gives a ***** about what you have to say.

As a mod you should know way better than to persistently attempt to insult by innuendo and supposition. How about just allowing FMs the courtesy of expressing their opinion without your right on, politically correct, liberal bigotry sense of entitlement to try and silence anyone with a different point of view from you and your little mates?

You'll note I don't follow YOU around the forum because I find your posts uninteresting, naive and pointless to read so don't waste my time with them. YOU on the other hand seek ME out - go figure:xyxwave:

[MTVN]

Don't presume to know me, you silly little boy. When you have some experience of life behind you, I might deign to give a **** about what you have to say. Meanwhile, I suggest you go back to reading the Guardian and Time Out, or whatever other rag you get your deluded opinions from. In other words go patronise someone who gives a ***** about what you have to say.

As a mod you should know way better than to persistently attempt to insult by innuendo and supposition. How about just allowing FMs the courtesy of expressing their opinion without your right on, politically correct, liberal bigotry sense of entitlement to try and silence anyone with a different point of view from you and your little mates?

You'll note I don't follow YOU around the forum because I find your posts uninteresting, naive and pointless to read so don't waste my time with them. YOU on the other hand seek ME out - go figure:xyxwave:

Another post ridden with the same angry rhetoric and cliches you've repeated a million times before, because we're all just Guardian reading, politically correct liberal bigots with no life experience in your eyes eh angus?

[Tom4784]

Don't presume to know me, you silly little boy. When you have some experience of life behind you, I might deign to give a **** about what you have to say. Meanwhile, I suggest you go back to reading the Guardian and Time Out, or whatever other rag you get your deluded opinions from. In other words go patronise someone who gives a ***** about what you have to say.

As a mod you should know way better than to persistently attempt to insult by innuendo and supposition. How about just allowing FMs the courtesy of expressing their opinion without your right on, politically correct, liberal bigotry sense of entitlement to try and silence anyone with a different point of view from you and your little mates?

You'll note I don't follow YOU around the forum because I find your posts uninteresting, naive and pointless to read so don't waste my time with them. YOU on the other hand seek ME out - go figure:xyxwave:

You've got such an inflated sense of self worth if you think I seek you out, I click on a topic and if I see an opinion that I find quite frankly laughable I'll point it out. It's a debate section Angus so if you don't want your points of view discussed then I advise you stay away. Also I didn't insult you, I don't see any insults directed at you in that post at all. If that's what you got from it then you're oversensitive. In fact you've insulted me a lot more with direct attacks in that post so don't play the victim card because it's blatantly hypocritical.

You harp on about age and life experience but that post is you essentially getting in a huff and taking your ball home. If you can't handle a debate or defend your views then you're in the wrong section.

Please, why don't you try to argue my points instead of insulting me? If you think I'm being patronising about my views on the media then why don't you try to counter it? Why must you constantly accuse me and others of grouping up against you? You're answer to everything is essentially ' I'M OLDER AND WISER RAWR YOU'RE POINT OF VIEW MEANS NOTHING AND IF YOU DARE QUESTION MINE I'LL RESPOND LIKE AN IRATE BANSHEE RAWR'.

Also i don't read the newspapers, I read a few different sites because I like to hear the different sides to a story instead of taking everything as gospel from one publication.....I must be a Liberal communist! or a democratic nazi! Or whatever nonsensical oxymorons you've got up your sleeve. I enjoy different points of views and i also like to challenge them like people challenge mine. If you can't deal with that then that's your own problem.

[Shasown]

Why would Muslims want independence?

Surely they live here because its better than other places. If they dont like the fabric of our society they can always move elsewhere that suits them better.

[BB_Eye]

I don't think so. In most cases where the muslim population demand a degree of independence is where there is a majority of muslims in certain provinces, such as in Indonesia and Nigeria. In the UK, muslims are mostly gathered in cities.

[Shaun]

Why would they? There's no strong claim to it, it would just be pointless, and this topic just smacks of trouble-making.

[joeysteele]

I cannot see the vast majority of them even trying to be honest. I don't see it happening here in the UK, there are some extreme voices but I doubt very much if any Govt in the UK of any party would ever go down that road and listen to the extreme elements.

[lostalex]

If the Irish couldn't do it on THEIR OWN ISLAND, what would make the muslims think they could?

[Livia]

Yes, we're actually better than you at something! :cheer:

Yes... criticising other countries. which is odd when you think that only a tiny fraction of Americans will ever visit another country.

[cub]

Yes... criticising other countries. which is odd when you think that only a tiny fraction of Americans will ever visit another country.

Only because they don't need to. In the US you can ski, surf, sunbathe, visit lots of different cultures - you cannot do that in most other counties. Where can you sunbathe in December in the UK?

When I move to New York (one day) I'll never leave the US again.

[Stu]

Yeah I hear there are some swell views of all the various historical European monuments and Asian temples from the cosy confines of an internet cafe in Backwash Georgia.

[lostalex]

Only because they don't need to. In the US you can ski, surf, sunbathe, visit lots of different cultures - you cannot do that in most other counties. Where can you sunbathe in December in the UK?

When I move to New York (one day) I'll never leave the US again.

exactly. Traveling between states in the US, is like traveling between countries in Europe. Most countries in Europe are more comparable to the size of a US state. And until recently you didn't even need a passport to travel to Canada. So North America as a whole, is much bigger than Europe, and you didn't even need a passport to go anywhere on the entire continent.

New York on the east coast of the US is as culturally different to Los Angeles on the west coast as London is to Rome.
Turkey is closer to the UK than Florida is to Alaska.

Europeans don't realize how culturally diverse the USA is.

[Stu]

I fully respect how culturally diverse the USA is but even if I were an American I would myself want to get out of there and experience another continent. Just like I do as a European. Are you honestly advocating staying landlocked like that for life?

You are right America is incredibly diverse but saying the difference between LA and New York is comparable to the difference between Rome and London is ri****ingdiculous.

[lostalex]

I fully respect how culturally diverse the USA is but even if I were an American I would myself want to get out of there and experience another continent. Just like I do as a European. Are you honestly advocating staying landlocked like that for life?

You are right America is incredibly diverse but saying the difference between LA and New York is greater than the difference between Rome and London is ri****ingdiculous.
i'm not advocating anything. And i disagree., You do realize at one point london was part of the roman empire don't you?

[Stu]

You do realize at one point london was part of the roman empire don't you?
~relevancy

[Angus]

exactly. Traveling between states in the US, is like traveling between countries in Europe. Most countries in Europe are more comparable to the size of a US state. And until recently you didn't even need a passport to travel to Canada. So North America as a whole, is much bigger than Europe, and you didn't even need a passport to go anywhere on the entire continent.

New York on the east coast of the US is as culturally different to Los Angeles on the west coast as London is to Rome.
Turkey is closer to the UK than Florida is to Alaska.

That may well be true, but who wants to see just a reproduction or facsimile of a country or a landmark? I want to see the real thing! I've been to Alaska which is a unique and beautiful place, but I could just as easily compare south central Alaska to Sweden as they are very similar. Doesn't mean I don't want to see Sweden though! I've been to San Francisco and sailed under the Golden Gate Bridge, I've seen the Pyramids and the Valley of the Kings in Egypt, the Dancing Fountains and Las Ramblas in Barcelona, the Colisseum and the Vatican City in Rome, St Mark's Square and the Canals of Venice, the Parthenon in Greece and a thousand other marvellous and unique places in the world - I would never be satisfied with poor copies.

Also I live in London which is jam packed with historical sights and landmarks and you can replicate them all you want but that's all they would ever be, replicas.

But hey, if you're easily pleased and don't want to travel, that's your choice and your loss.

[lostalex]

~relevancy

That london and rome are not as separate as you might like to believe. They are very separate, but not any more separate than new york and LA.

[MTVN]

That london and rome are not as separate as you might like to believe.

India was part of the British Empire, by your logic the two countries are the exact same?

[lostalex]

India was part of the British Empire, by your logic the two countries are the exact same?

They certainly have a shared history.

[Stu]

That london and rome are not as separate as you might like to believe.
I wasn't aware that the Roman empire was still at large.

I could draw comparisons. But they would be entirely irrelevant to the discussion. So I won't.

[lostalex]

I wasn't aware that the Roman empire was still at large.

I could draw comparisons. But they would be entirely irrelevant to the discussion. So I won't.

Umm, look at the architecture in london, yur telling me yu can't find roman architecture in london? Rome brought civilization to London. London would not be London without it's roman past.

[Stu]

Umm, look at the architecture in london, yur telling me yu can't find roman architecture in london?
Once again that is entirely irrelevant when discussing both cultures as a whole today. Once again I could draw a dozen comparisons for every one you make. But this is all irrelevant. So once again ... I won't.

[lostalex]

Once again that is entirely irrelevant when discussing both cultures as a whole today. Once again I could draw a dozen comparisons for every one you make. But this is all irrelevant. So once again ... I won't.

What are we arguing about? New york is very different than LA, and ROme is very different than London.

If you wanna make a point proving me wrong, i'm still waiting to hear it.

[Stu]

That the differences are not comparable. I have said this already.

[InOne]

This whole topic is ridiculous lol

[lostalex]

That the differences are not comparable. I have said this already.


Okay. I guess logic isn't yur strong suit.

I'm waiting to hear yur argument as to how london and rome are SO mucn more different than New york and LA are. You don't seem capable of comming up with anything, so i'll just let it go. I guess we're just meant to believe you.

[Shasown]

i'm not advocating anything. And i disagree., You do realize at one point london was part of the roman empire don't you?

Yes, funny old thing, they teach it in schools over here.

And you do of course realise that America was part of the British Empire?

[Stu]

They exist in seperate countries, for one. On a day to day basis that makes a whole world of difference. You are going to make light of any argument I have anyway ... what with your woeful use of a keyboard ... so I don't know why I bother but a tourist going from London to Rome and vice versa can expect a different primary language, a different system of politics and government services, a different currency, an entirely different near exclusive ethnicity of people with their own traits ... lord do I have to go on?

The differences between the two examples are in no way comparable. LA has different monuments, a different ethnic mix a different temperature, different languages and whatnot to New York, along with different state laws. Sure. But both are still quintessentially American. You're still in America. I'm not sure have you been to all four places but I have and the differences are not comparable.

One lovely country, united and standing tall with a smorgasboard of different cultures versus two lovely countries with two different cultures. Unless you're now arguing that your beloved country is nothing more than a loosely tied together melting pot of different cultures? That would go against your previous posts general theme of 'American' culture and 'American' inventions and whatnot. Is it all in reality seperate cultures just coming under the one banner? A pseudo country only in name?

You can't have it both ways can you, surely? Christ you are a drag. I'll just leave you be.

[ILoveTRW]

Okay. I guess logic isn't yur strong suit.

I'm waiting to hear yur argument as to how london and rome are SO mucn more different than New york and LA are. You don't seem capable of comming up with anything, so i'll just let it go. I guess we're just meant to believe you.

stu isn't known for being very logical.

[Stu]

But hey, a lot people around here actually like me and want me to continue posting. It's a fair trade.

[lostalex]

Yes, funny old thing, they teach it in schools over here.

And you do of course realise that America was part of the British Empire?

13 states out of 50 were british colonies. and yes, i do know that. (this feels like deja vu)

[lostalex]

But hey, a lot people around here actually like me and want me to continue posting. It's a fair trade.
when did i ever say i don't want you to post here?? Now yu really are being over the top dramatic. No one said you shouldn't post.

[Stu]

when did i ever say i don't want you to post here?? Now yu really are being over the top dramatic. No one said you shouldn't post.
I never said you said that. In fact ... none of that post responding to ILoveTRW had anything to do with you.

Maybe you should chill out and take your time with these things. Read, comprehend, respond. Or not.

[MTVN]

13 states out of 50 were british colonies. and yes, i do know that. (this feels like deja vu)

What are you talking about, the 50 states didnt exist as they are today back then

[lostalex]

okay, no one is making sense in this thread to me anymore.

*smiles and nods*

[Stu]

You don't seem capable of comming up with anything

Information.

okay, no one is making sense in this thread to me anymore.

*smiles and nods*

http://passionforcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/the-end-031.jpg

[Shasown]

13 states out of 50 were british colonies. and yes, i do know that. (this feels like deja vu)

Thirteen states out of how many states?

Our history lessons differ from yours, at that time there wasnt 50 states or was there?

[lostalex]

Thirteen states out of how many states?

Our history lessons differ from yours, at that time there wasnt 50 states or was there?

i'm sorry, i thought we were talking in the present tense. as in right now. Remind me again which year this is...?

[Shasown]

i'm sorry, i thought we were talking in the present tense. as in right now. Remind me again which year this is...?

No need to apologise, I know that the original 13 states that formed the US were ALL British.

Incidentally wasnt it you who brought up the fact that London was part of the Roman Empire?

[lostalex]

No need to apologise, I know that the original 13 states that formed the US were ALL British.

Incidentally wasnt it you who brought up the fact that London was part of the Roman Empire?

yea, i was speaking about the past in reference to the present. I thought it was appropriate. Some people here seem to think that speaking about the UK before it was the UK is inappropriate somehow. not sure why. I'm confused too.

I think there are a lot of british people on this forum that think british people just sprang from the earth on the british isles. lol. I don't think they realize that just like America, Britain was created via colonization as well.

[bananarama]

They already have it to all intents and purposes:bored: They are the new darlings of the liberal elite.


Indeed. That sums up the actual truth of the matter......

They don't in general intergrate due to their dark ages culture......In effect where ever they settle they become a self isolated community and indeed will at some point when numbers are even greater will fight a bloody savage war to get Britain into an islamic dominated society........Its not a matter of if but just when........Civil war for Britain is just around the corner and now completely inevitable.....