Libya the bloodbath starts

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358972/Libya-protests-Gaddafi-flees-Tripoli-parliament-building-set-alight.html


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/21/arab-and-middle-east-protests-middleeast


On SkyNewsHD
they report Libya is a sinking ship.
The Tribes are in the battle with hitmen hired to take
them out all those against Gaddafi.
he is on the run.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Violent-Protests-Paralyse-Country-As-Colonel-Gaddafis-Son-Threatens-Civil-War/Article/201102315937579?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15937579_Libya%3A_Violent_Protests_Par alyse_Country_As_Colonel_Gaddafis_Son_Threatens_Ci vil_War


Blair set up the deals
but that ain't my problem
as I Never Ever Voted that Stinking War Criminal in , here.

[MTVN]

I dont think Gadaffi will fall, he's prepared to go to such great lengths to stay in power and it looks like the military are still loyal to him

[arista]

I dont think Gadaffi will fall, he's prepared to go to such great lengths to stay in power and it looks like the military are still loyal to him


It depends if enough Hitmen Kill all those that are against him.

The fact he is on the run
tells the World
he is going to go.

[MTVN]

Maybe but they say they'll fight to the last bullet, they're going to use the kind of force that Mubarak wouldnt ever have dared to. Either way, it's going to be extremely bloody

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/21/article-1358972-0D4BCBED000005DC-91_308x122.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/21/article-1358972-0D49D597000005DC-926_634x515.jpg
His Son made matters worse using his finger to attack them

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/20/article-1358972-0D3DD9E2000005DC-189_634x396.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/20/article-1358972-0D4450AD000005DC-331_634x341.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/21/article-1358972-0D1362D8000005DC-825_306x316.jpg
Back in 2004 WarCriminals Unite.

[King Gizzard]

Horrible video of the peaceful protesters being shot. Hard viewing

There will be planes dropping bombs very soon at this rate :\

[King Gizzard]

We should REALLY be pressing on with this immediatly. This is far worse than Mubarak as the soldiers were neutral in that case. But this, the army will slaughter the protesters.

EU Crisis meeting tommorow if I'm not mistaken

[InOne]

Horrible video of the peaceful protesters being shot. Hard viewing

There will be planes dropping bombs very soon at this rate :\

Where is the video? Liveleak or something?

[King Gizzard]

Nope. Openly on youtube, loads of videos of them and they havn't even been taken down (think the owners of youtube are letting them) It shows them walking down a street, then the gun shots, the camera goes all shaky then it pans back to 3-4 people on the floor. Inevitably the internet's been switched off in Libya

Heres the link anyway

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[InOne]

Wow that's mental :shocked: Jesus the Middle East is a mess at the moment, really not good D:

[arista]

Where is the video? Liveleak or something?


You are only here
for the bloodbath.


Tune into Al Jazeera english
(also free to view online)

[arista]

Wow that's mental :shocked: Jesus the Middle East is a mess at the moment, really not good D:


Its more worse now
Planes can Drop scatter bombs on groups.

[arista]

A Man in Cario just on SkyNews
claims its not a civil war in Libya
its a gamble as with no Cameras/Internet
he can kill them all.

But he also says how can the UK and USA standby
he demands we help them.

But then what?
another Freaking Iraq?

[King Gizzard]

Wouldn't surprise me if the streets were littered with bodies by now. They've hidden most of them..

something need's to be done. If only the next country to revolt was Zimbabwe.

[arista]

Wouldn't surprise me if the streets were littered with bodies by now. They've hidden most of them..

something need's to be done. If only the next country to revolt was Zimbabwe.


South African Hitmen are
being paid to do Killings
many claim.

[Benjamin]

Something needs to be done, this is unacceptable. This will only get worse though and the more countries that get involved the more that this could lead to a mass war. :(

[arista]

Something needs to be done, this is unacceptable. This will only get worse though and the more countries that get involved the more that this could lead to a mass war. :(

Only if the Yanks Invade.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Feb/Week3/15938127.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Feb/Week3/15938142.jpg

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http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Feb/Week3/15938176.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Feb/Week3/15938140.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Feb/Week3/15938148.jpg

[Josy]

He's due to make a statement.

[MTVN]

A Man in Cario just on SkyNews
claims its not a civil war in Libya
its a gamble as with no Cameras/Internet
he can kill them all.

But he also says how can the UK and USA standby
he demands we help them.

But then what?
another Freaking Iraq?

Yep, exactly. Whar are we supposed to do, go to war everytime a nation makes abuses against human rights. If we did that then we'd be sending our army all over the globe. I think we're best of staying out, any military intervention on our part will probably just cause more death and destruction, reality is there's very little we can realistically do to help. We dont even know what's really going on in there.

[MTVN]

0012: Reports of poor weather in Tripoli tonight do seem to back up Col Gaddafi's statement that he is still in the Libyan capital.

0011: Reuters quotes Col Gaddafi: "I am in Tripoli and not in Venezuela."

0008: Almost as soon as Col Gaddafi appeared on the screen he disappeared. State TV now showing partiotic images of marching soldiers and playing Arabic music.

0007: Interview with Col Gaddafi now running on Libyan TV.

[Judas]

My good friend who is on my course is from Tripoli, who family are there now. Obviously they are devasted and haven't been coming in or speaking to anyone - it must be awfull to know someone there. It would be such a shame if it remains in power and these lifes are wasted - and I wonder if this could temporarily halt the domino effect.

[ILoveTRW]

i hope this ends up with his execution

[arista]

He is Live on all TV News now
blaming outside nations and Clans
he is not going to leave
you would have to Shoot him in the head.

He just shouted out against
the USA and Italy.

He is the Warrior, he shouts.


He just warned them
saying do you want another Iraq , here

[red]

This guy is mental :s he'd rather burn down his country and the ppl than to step down
Sick ****

[red]

Double post

[arista]

This guy is mental :s he'd rather burn down his country and the ppl than to step down
Sick ****


He controls the TV station
but the Enemy control his Oil area.


He is Shouting for the fight of his Life
and blaming America and other nations.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/22/article-1358972-0D4FCA3D000005DC-11_634x463.jpg

He shouts at the Cockroach rebels
that now have his Oil area.

[arista]

Libya's Gaddafi DID personally order Lockerbie bombing and I have PROOF, claims former Justice minister

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359910/Libyan-leader-personally-ordered-Lockerbie-bombing-says-Justice-minister.html#ixzz1Enr5d8jm


Yes he has all the Dirty Secrets
as he is against him now

[King Gizzard]

He'll admit it one of these days when he declares war on the whole world

Then he'll get snipered

[arista]

He'll admit it one of these days when he declares war on the whole world

Then he'll get snipered


No he is due to be taken out soon
as Muslims groups want full power
before Yanks get in there

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/25/article-1360436-0D5948AA000005DC-245_634x368.jpg
Amazing the Workers stuck in Oil areas
in the desert
trying hard to hide there mobile phones.
As the Rebel gangs will kill you for your phone.


And women in the UK,
contacting our TV and Radio
saying there husbands are not being helped.


Hang on - They choose to work in that nation of a Mad Ruler.

We are Not sending in Troops
to get them out
they must get to the Airports or Coast
on their own.
then they can try to get connections.


Stop moaning on our TV and Radio.

[ILoveTRW]

Gaddafi meets his match

http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/14d667a91c845a.jpg

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/25/article-1360679-0D5CE65F000005DC-644_634x451.jpg

"Gaddafi's last stand

UN Secretary General says it is 'time for action' from world powers
Gaddafi tells supporters to 'fight for dignity' in Green Square address
Demonstrators defy 'shoot on sight' warning on streets of Tripoli
We expect thousands to die in Tripoli in next 24 hours, says Libyan diplomat
Cameron warns Gaddafi: 'The world is watching you'
Britain sends second warship to rescue stranded Brits
United States to impose unilateral sanctions on Libya
Gaddafi's son hints at ceasefire"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360679/At-shot-dead-Libyan-capital-Gaddafis-troops-open-demonstrators.html#ixzz1F0sHAAIi

[arista]

A Irish Girl in Libya
screaming at SkyNews
saying they are not a numbers
why are the World not helping.

Well we do not want another Iraq.


The Mad Dog in charge will get worse if
the Yanks invade.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/25/article-1360764-0D598C3F000005DC-421_634x424.jpg

Yes Rebals
Big Guns but no rebel leader
makes that nation not worth anything.


You have tribes
Tribes can not do Democracy.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/25/article-1360764-0D5D5B3C000005DC-84_306x480.jpg







Expensive
but so long as they are Home.

[MTVN]

The Gadaffi regime will fall now I think, it's almost inevitable.. but a hell of a lot of people are gonna die before that happens, he literally will not give up, there isnt any point in him doing so, as long as he has the means to fight he'll continue to do so but there's only so long that he can keep it up, the anti-Gadaffi forces' control is spreading. There cant be many other significant places still in his control than Tripoli, I havent heard of any anyway

[arista]

He has a Row of Tanks
procting him.


No Rebals can take his Zone out
they are chicken

[arista]

MTVN

From Ch4 news
they showed a Clever move
from the Mad Ruler
his men giving out £400 to each person outside the
local town hall.
He passed the Cash through a Locked Gate
at the Entrance of the building.

[MTVN]

MTVN

From Ch4 news
they showed a Clever move
from the Mad Ruler
his men giving out £400 to each person outside the
local town hall.
He passed the Cash through a Locked Gate
at the Entrance of the building.

Oh I hadnt seen that, he really is trying anything now :laugh:

I do think there are quite a vocal minority who do support him but a lot of the men fighting for him must have been paid or been coerced or something like that. I heard one his soldiers say that anyone who refused to shoot on protesters was burned alive :/

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/quiz/2011/mar/01/muammar-gaddafi-charlie-sheen-quiz


Gaddafi or Sheen.

I got a Low score - Told to Try again.

Are they so alike?

[MTVN]

I got 9 out of 10 :shocked: I only knew 2 for sure and guessed the rest

[Josy]

You scored 6 out of a possible 10.

[arista]

The Son of that Leader
has made a solid case on SkyNews.


He is saying Terror Gangs are attacking Libya. (some are)
(and of course,
also many public Claim they have family killed by Gaddifi)

He also says give him proof.
And of course - there is no solid real reports
just bits and bobs from bad filmed mobiles.


I do not think they are going to leave
or be killed.
They can still pay all there locals every day.


Libya is still under his Solid Family Control.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Cameron-Gaddafi-Libyas-Saif-Gaddafi-Accuses-Cameron-Of-Hidden-Agenda/Article/201103115943033?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15943033_Libya%2C_Cameron%2C_Gaddafi%3 A_Libyas_Saif_Gaddafi_Accuses_Cameron_Of_Hidden_Ag enda



Ch4 news showed Gaddafi Public
shot in there side or back.


United Nations can give help to those stranded at Ports
and borders.
But Invasion - No Way, that would backfire.

[Liberty4eva]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/quiz/2011/mar/01/muammar-gaddafi-charlie-sheen-quiz


Gaddafi or Sheen.

I got a Low score - Told to Try again.

Are they so alike?

This was referenced on "The View" yesterday when Sheen's friend Alex Jones said we should be comparing Bush (and by implication Blair) to Gaddafi.

4sM8_6r9jAE

[arista]

Yes Thanks
like that Guy at the ending
GW Bush chucked in the Fire.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Mar/Week1/15943690.jpg

Yes the United Nations must send in Food
and tents.

Meanwhile the Ruler remains solid.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/02/article-1362098-0D6F83BE000005DC-642_634x452.jpg

This is the Problem
Not Everyone is against Gaddifi

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/04/article-1362667-0D759D3B000005DC-107_634x405.jpg
Canvas city: Hundreds of tents for displaced refugees occupy
ground close to the Tunisia-Libyan border, in Ras Ajdir

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362667/Libya-Gaddafis-boy-soldiers-eyes-terror-gun-head.html#ixzz1FdSPBtfM


Some Nations
are not picking up there people though
'Bangladesh',
for example.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Mar/Week1/15946899.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/americas-secret-plan-to-arm-libyas-rebels-2234227.html

Stupid Yanks
they will make matters worse.

[Beso]

**** em all. IT MAKES GOOD TV .

ps this is not to inflame or wind people up(so don't even bother quoting me), this is my opinion on the matter.

[arista]

The Son of the leader
has said again they ain't going to leave
they will Die in there nation.

And some Dutch Nato Troops were let go
but he said we keep there Helicopter.


And Experts have said a No Fly Zone
will not stop the war.

The Rebels are weak
and are soon giving up
or will be killed.
As They are trying to kill the Leader of that Nation.


Many Libya people
in the UK are still saying 'why is no one helping us'

They best put down there arms
and stop there attacks.


Game Over

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/al-jazeera-cameraman-lured-into-trap-gaddafi-libya

Video Report on that link.

Al Jazeera Cameraman lured into a trap and killed, they say.

You would think Gaddafi would tell his men to leave the Arab news alone,
then again ,Now Japan is the Top News,
he is able to take more of his Land Faster and by any means.

[MTVN]

Yeah that's the problem with the news, as soon as another major story comes along the current headlines kind of get forgotten and ignored. I think it's hard to deny that it's a civil war over there now and from the looks of things, Gaddafi is winning

[Judas]

**** em all. IT MAKES GOOD TV .

ps this is not to inflame or wind people up(so don't even bother quoting me), this is my opinion on the matter.

WHAT THE ****? You can't just say that and then say "don't even bother quoting me". That's an absoloute HORRID thing to say, if you think 'Good TV' is seeing people dying and a nation of turmoil you obviously have some disturbing issues. I can't believe people have ignored this.

This is what I have to say to you.

go ****ing suffocate yourself. IT MAKES GOOD TV.
ps this is not to inflame or wind people up(so don't even bother quoting me), this is my opinion on the matter.

Christ, your messed up :shocked:

[MTVN]

What's with Cameron being all gun ho and suddenly being a huge supporter of military intervention, seems to conflict with what he's been telling us the last 3 or 4 years. Doesnt look like we've learnt anything from Iraq & Afghanistan

[arista]

A Man in Libya phoned Radio 5 Live
he said 'what is the world doing'


Well fella we are helping Japan first.

And you must behave and not fight the Leader of your nation.

[arista]

WHAT THE ****? You can't just say that and then say "don't even bother quoting me". That's an absoloute HORRID thing to say, if you think 'Good TV' is seeing people dying and a nation of turmoil you obviously have some disturbing issues. I can't believe people have ignored this.

This is what I have to say to you.

go ****ing suffocate yourself. IT MAKES GOOD TV.
ps this is not to inflame or wind people up(so don't even bother quoting me), this is my opinion on the matter.

Christ, your messed up :shocked:


Judas
take a breath!

Not everyone is Political or Up with it
like your good self.


Anyway Japan is the main News now
Libya is going back to the Leader in control.


Sign Of the Times

[arista]

On Ch4 News
The son of Leader
says No Fly Zone - Go Ahead
but he is fighting Terror gangs in HIS nation.

[MTVN]

Not looking good for the rebels, Gadaffi's forces getting closer and closer to Benghazi

[arista]

Not looking good for the rebels, Gadaffi's forces getting closer and closer to Benghazi


Yes
a No Fly Zone is slow to enforce

No wonder the Cocky London Educated Son
is not bothered.


The Army Tanks
are not effected by No Fly Zones


Sign Of The Times.

[arista]

Now
USA , UK and France want a War
in Libya.


But other like Germany or Egypt say no.


Someone is making money on this deal.

And who is the Leader of this Rebals Group?
Sounds Dodgy.

[MTVN]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12781009

Libya: UN backs action against Colonel Gaddafi

"The UN Security Council has backed a resolution on Libya that supports a no-fly zone and "all necessary measures" to protect civilians"

[arista]

China, Russia, Brazil, Germany and India abstained.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Video-Libya-UN-Security-Council-Votes-In-Favour-Of-A-No-Fly-Zone/Article/201103315954268?lpos=Politics_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15954268_Video_Libya%3A_UN_Security_Co uncil_Votes_In_Favour_Of_A_No-Fly_Zone

At War
not a good move

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12781009

Libya: UN backs action against Colonel Gaddafi

"The UN Security Council has backed a resolution on Libya that supports a no-fly zone and "all necessary measures" to protect civilians"

Earlier reports suggested that if the resolution was passed, air attacks on Col Gaddafi's forces by the British and French air forces could begin within hours.

I hope it's not too little too late ..... :conf2:

[Shaun]

WHAT THE ****? You can't just say that and then say "don't even bother quoting me". That's an absoloute HORRID thing to say, if you think 'Good TV' is seeing people dying and a nation of turmoil you obviously have some disturbing issues. I can't believe people have ignored this.

This is what I have to say to you.

go ****ing suffocate yourself. IT MAKES GOOD TV.
ps this is not to inflame or wind people up(so don't even bother quoting me), this is my opinion on the matter.

Christ, your messed up :shocked:

He's what we call a troll. Every single one of his posts is a foul-mouthed tirade or offensive 'joke'.

[arista]

I hope it's not too little too late ..... :conf2:


What do you think they can Do?


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/17/article-1367063-0B39D2AF00000578-400_634x441.jpg

[MTVN]

Talking about it on Question Time now, Kelvin Mackenzie is an arrogant tosser, he's also completely right. We've been funding and cosying up to Gadaffi the last few years and it's only in the last 3 or 4 weeks he's become a brutal dictator who needs to be removed. We're also just picking and choosing which dictators deserve military action against and which one's we'll just ignore, no intervention is even being thought about in Zimbabwe where Mugabe's butchering his people, or in Bahrain or Saudi or Iran..

[Shasown]

Talking about it on Question Time now, Kelvin Mackenzie is an arrogant tosser, he's also completely right. We've been funding and cosying up to Gadaffi the last few years and it's only in the last 3 or 4 weeks he's become a brutal dictator who needs to be removed. We're also just picking and choosing which dictators deserve military action against and which one's we'll just ignore, no intervention is even being thought about in Zimbabwe where Mugabe's butchering his people, or in Bahrain or Saudi or Iran..

Hey come on, one blood thirsty dictator or undemocratic regime at a time please.

The US cant Americanise all these countries at once, I am sure they have this lovely long "to do" list and those other countries will be on it somewhere.

Makes me wonder what caused the US shift on intervention today.

[Omah]

What do you think they can Do?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467

The UN resolution is so broad it allows military action against all threats to civilians - so could even involve bombing Col Gaddafi's forces on the ground if deemed necessary.

Britain could contribute Tornado GR4 ground attack aircraft as well as reconnaissance and early-warning aircraft and tankers for air-to-air refuelling.

The resolution means they could also attack Libyan helicopter gunships as well as Libya's fixed-wing aircraft, most of which are Soviet-era fighters as well as some more modern French Mirage F1s.

It would permit air strikes on Libyan warships if they were attacking civilians

It also calls for an immediate ceasefire, an end to the violence, measures to make it more difficult to bring foreign mercenaries into Libya and a tightening of sanctions.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Mar/Week3/15954601.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Mar/Week3/15954641.jpg

[arista]

So they want a iraq 2

[joeysteele]

Talking about it on Question Time now, Kelvin Mackenzie is an arrogant tosser, he's also completely right. We've been funding and cosying up to Gadaffi the last few years and it's only in the last 3 or 4 weeks he's become a brutal dictator who needs to be removed. We're also just picking and choosing which dictators deserve military action against and which one's we'll just ignore, no intervention is even being thought about in Zimbabwe where Mugabe's butchering his people, or in Bahrain or Saudi or Iran..

I watched QT too,I agree with you in full,also like you I don't care for Kelvin but on this issue he is right.
Mugabe has no oil or anything we want so that's the likely real reason we won't ever do anything there.

[Omah]

So they want a iraq 2

No, Libya 1 - End Of Gaddafi ..... :thumbs2:

[Judas]

Judas
take a breath!

Not everyone is Political or Up with it
like your good self.


Anyway Japan is the main News now
Libya is going back to the Leader in control.


Sign Of the Times

I guess the end bit of this post is irrelevant now. Arista he isn't 'up with politics' but simply being a pig ignorant twat.

He's what we call a troll. Every single one of his posts is a foul-mouthed tirade or offensive 'joke'.

I hope so... surely nobody is that dim to feel such a thing.

We're also just picking and choosing which dictators deserve military action against and which one's we'll just ignore, no intervention is even being thought about in Zimbabwe where Mugabe's butchering his people, or in Bahrain or Saudi or Iran..
I suppose this statement is true - I think the reason for Libyan action is that the people actively pushed for revolution. I think lots of the leaders are hoping that if Gadaffi is toppled the 'domino effect' will continue, spreading western ideals of democracy.

So they want a iraq 2
Completely different cases really though. This has been approached in a completly different manner. Maybe if Iraq hadn't happened that wouldn't of been the case.

[arista]

No, Libya 1 - End Of Gaddafi ..... :thumbs2:


We shall see
as they claim they are not going to take him
out.
So a No Fly Zone will cost public money
to keep going for years.

[Iceman]

We shall see
as they claim they are not going to take him
out.
So a No Fly Zone will cost public money
to keep going for years.

Just watching Sky News this morning talking about the possibilty of a No Drive zone too.... not sure how that would work though....

[arista]

Just watching Sky News this morning talking about the possibilty of a No Drive zone too.... not sure how that would work though....


Yes its many ideas
but if he can not Fight
the Rebals can not Fight.

So nothing will change

[Omah]

We shall see
as they claim they are not going to take him
out.
So a No Fly Zone will cost public money
to keep going for years.

Not just No Fly .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12784729

The prime minister said preparations were already underway for a joint operation led by the UK, France and US.

It follows a UN resolution authorising "all measures necessary" short of sending in ground troops.

Mr Cameron said there was a "clear and unequivocal" legal basis for action, which is being supported by Labour.

A French government spokesmen has said initial air raids on Libyan positions could take place "within a few hours".

The aircraft likely to be deployed are Tornado GR4 ground attack planes, which could bomb tanks, artillery and air defences, and Typhoons, which could be used in air-to-air combat if the Libyan airforce tries to get airborne.

[arista]

Libya Official
in control
has just said they accept the UN Ceasefire order


So what now
nothing will change


Libya declares immediate ceasefire... but British fighters jets are already on way to Middle East

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367063/Libya-crisis-World-strikes-Gaddafi-UN-votes-protect-Libyan-rebels.html#ixzz1GxIupQmN


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Gaddafi-Closes-Air-Space-Over-Libya-As-Britain-Sends-Aircraft-To-Enforce-No-Fly-Zone-Ceasefire/Article/201103315954839?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15954839_Gaddafi_Closes_Air_Space_Over _Libya_As_Britain_Sends_Aircraft_To_Enforce_No-Fly_Zone%3A_Ceasefire

[Omah]

Libya Official in control has just said they accept the UN Ceasefire order


Ha ..... I say don't trust 'em and send in the bombers anyway ..... :mad:

[arista]

Ha ..... I say don't trust 'em and send in the bombers anyway ..... :mad:


You can not
as they have stopped fighting.


War Monger Blair trusted him.


You can not attack
for no reason.

Its a New day
but he stays in charge.


Sign Of The Times

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12787739

One of Col Gaddafi's sons, Saif al-Islam, said the resolution was "unfair" as Libya had not been bombing civilians.

What had they been bombing then ..... chickens ..... :conf:

:rolleyes:

Send in the bombers and target Saif the Slimy first ...... :cheer2:

[arista]

They can not as a Joint Force
they are Only there to stop the fighting

Not everyone supports the Rebals


This is not about killing people - From our planes

[MTVN]

Gadaffi's entered Benghazi http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12793919

So much for the ceasefire then I suppose

[arista]

It will only stop once the french planes take over
the area, later today.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/19/article-1367800-0B3E213800000578-104_634x435.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/19/article-1367800-0B3E22B700000578-701_634x403.jpg


Feel The Force

[Omah]

Libya Official in control has just said they accept the UN Ceasefire order


Ha ..... I say don't trust 'em and send in the bombers anyway ..... :mad:

You can not as they have stopped fighting.

You can not attack for no reason.



Gadaffi's entered Benghazi http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12793919

So much for the ceasefire then I suppose

Yeah, time for Typhoon and Tornado .....

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war !"

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

1246: Reports from Al-Jazeera say there are 26 dead and more than 40 wounded in Jala hospital in Benghazi after the eastern Libyan city was bombarded. No further details are available. Rebels say forces loyal to Colonel Gaddafi bombarded the city on Saturday. The Libyan government said it was respecting a ceasefire it announced on Friday, adding that rebels were raiding villages and towns to draw in the West.

:rolleyes:

[Rob]

So much for ceasefire then!

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

1304: Libya's state TV says Libya's green national flag has been hoisted in most neighbourhoods of Benghazi. Since the uprising against Col Gaddafi the old Libya flag - with red, black and green bands - has been used as a symbol of opposition.

Oh yeah ..... :laugh3:

[Omah]

#
1417: BFM, a French TV station, is reporting French fighter jets are over Benghazi enforcing the no-fly zone.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12795971

French military jets are preventing forces loyal to Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi from attacking the rebel-held city of Benghazi, French President Nicolas Sarkozy says.

It is believed to be the first act of intervention since the UN voted on Thursday for a no-fly zone over Libya.

[arista]

#
1417: BFM, a French TV station, is reporting French fighter jets are over Benghazi enforcing the no-fly zone.



Will a Rebal Shoot one Down?

[Omah]

1535: Mirage and Rafale fighter jets are flying over Benghazi and could strike Libyan tanks, a French official tells AP. The official says the French operation could strike Libyan tanks later on Saturday

[Omah]

1700: The Defence Ministry in Paris says a French warplane has fired the first shot in Libya as part of the enforcement of the no fly zone imposed by the United Nations. The target was a Libyan military vehicle.

[arista]

From the best News
SkyNewsHD

The Yanks are due to fire Tomahawk Cruise Missiles
from 1,700 miles away, at Gaddiffi's Main Army base.


Meanwhile the french planes
have fired at army trucks

[Omah]

The Yanks are due to fire Tomahawk Cruise Missiles from 1,700 miles away, at Gaddiffi's Main Army base.


Well, if you know that, so does the Libyan Army by now ..... :laugh:

[arista]

Well, if you know that, so does the Libyan Army by now ..... :laugh:


Sure
they can save there lives
but not the tanks and other Army Trucks.


They have bunkers hidden
I would think.

[Omah]

Sure they can save there lives but not the tanks and other Army Trucks.

They have bunkers hidden I would think.

Cruise missiles can go down air-shafts and find their way round tunnels ..... ;)

[Omah]

1850: France's air force has destroyed some tanks and armoured vehicles in Libya, a French defence ministry official confirms. Al-Jazeera had reported earlier that four Libyan tanks were destroyed to the south-west of Benghazi.

1904: A US defence official tells Reuters that the US Navy has three submarines in the Mediterranean preparing for operations in Libya.

#
1921: US President Barack Obama will make a statement on Libya to reporters in Brasilia, Brazil, within the hour, the White House says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

[arista]

The yanks
have Fired some long range missiles
hitting East Tripoli


SkyNews
and Fox News

[Omah]

#
1954: Reuters quotes a senior US military official saying US, British, French, Italian and Canadian forces are to launch a strike along the Libyan coast.

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/18/1300448615428/Tornado-GR4-fighter-jets--005.jpg

Our Tornado Jets

[Grimnir]

West intervene because they claim Gaddafi killing his own people and they emphasise the world brutally everytime they appear?

How many innocent people will die from all the bombings that will happen?

Its pathetic and everyone so blind to the truth

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12796972

The UK, the US and France have begun attacking Libya as enforcement of the UN-mandated no-fly zone gets under way.

Pentagon officials say the US and the UK have fired more than 110 missiles.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Oh ****. the beginning of world war 3 ya'll!:bawling:

[joeysteele]

Oh ****. the beginning of world war 3 ya'll!:bawling:

I don't think it will get to that point but a new precedence has now been set as to where in a Country's civil war, outside intervention with UN backing is on the agenda.
Libya will not be the last Nation in the area to have this unrest and if we go in for one then after that it will hard not to follow on into other Countries.
That will be a massive problem and also a very long and arduous involvement that will drain the West and the UK particularly.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

0028: A US military spokesman, Vice-Admiral William Gortney, has said the initial air and missile strikes by Western powers were "just the first phase of what will likely be a multiphase military operation designed to enforce the United Nations resolution and the deny the Libyan regime the ability to use force against its own people". "This is an international military effort urged by the Libyan people themselves and by other Arab nations," he told a news conference in Washington.

Shock and awe ..... :eek:

[Shasown]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418



Shock and awe ..... :eek:

No, not shock and awe, surgical strikes, to take out fixed air defence positions, military command and control centres etc.

Tomahawk Cruise Missiles are more accurate and reliable than even laser guided smart bombs. Only one integrated system to go wrong, whereas you have the bomb, its guidance and control system then a separate laser targetting system.

[Omah]

No, not shock and awe, surgical strikes, to take out fixed air defence positions, military command and control centres etc.

Tomahawk Cruise Missiles are more accurate and reliable than even laser guided smart bombs. Only one integrated system to go wrong, whereas you have the bomb, its guidance and control system then a separate laser targetting system.

So the Libyan Army and Air Force won't be shocked and awed, then ..... :conf:

[Shasown]

So the Libyan Army and Air Force won't be shocked and awed, then ..... :conf:

Not if they have any sense. If they work at a fixed air defence position (Medium Air defence Missile, entrenched ant aircraft cannons) or any of the other probable targets (C&C centres, etc). They would be well advised to keep their ears open.

If they hear a buzzing (cruise missile motor) they should either bend over and kiss their arse goodbye or run rapidly away from the position.

[Omah]

Not if they have any sense. If they work at a fixed air defence position (Medium Air defence Missile, entrenched ant aircraft cannons) or any of the other probable targets (C&C centres, etc). They would be well advised to keep their ears open.

If they hear a buzzing (cruise missile motor) they should either bend over and kiss their arse goodbye or run rapidly away from the position.

Ah, so just just a minor inconvenience ..... :dog:

[Grimnir]

cameron just admitted the real reason they attacking libya

i heard the words come out his mouth stood outside downing street

he said what they doing is in UK's interest

just like same thing Blair said back during Iraq war

how has invasion of Iraq benefitted UK? unless hundreds of dead soldiers and billions of pounds spent is considered a benefit by government

bunch of evil people they are

even though the propaganda is so transparent most people STILL fall for it, even after it was proven they lied about Iraq

retarded public

[arista]

Rubbish he said we can not standby and let him kill all the people.


WarMonger Evil Blair had Ground troops
so this is nothing like Iraq.


Iraq was a Criminal Invasion.

[Grimnir]

I saw him say it on the news at around 6am

I listen carefully to all the politicians say

It is exactly the same as Iraq

They want to take control of Libya same as they wanted to take control of Iraq

[Grimnir]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12797618

watch it quickly before they take off the air

at the very end he says its in our nations interest

all what he says before is a script, the end he slips out the truth

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

1003: Planes from Denmark are among the Western aircraft arriving at Mediterranean bases. Danish Defence Minister, Gitte Lillelund Bech, said she hoped the mission succeeded in bringing Col Gaddafi to justice. "The military action is not about killing Gaddafi. My hope is that what we can do is that we can make sure we can get Gaddafi, we can put him towards the International Criminal Court, and then it will be the International Criminal Court who actually judges him."

[Grimnir]

watching nicky campbell debate show on tele

everyone getting their knickers in a twist

most interesting part so far was a very knowledgeable guest stating a number of the rebels have been identified as terrorists previously wanted by the US

before that they were repeating over and over again how Gaddafi is killing his own people and killing innocent people, yet when someone mentions that some of the rebels are known terrorists the room fell silent

at the start someone said if we dont intervene hundreds of people are gonna die, then someone raised them and said if we dont intervene thousands of people are gonna die, then some crazy nutjob pulled a royal flush and said if we dont intervene 700,000 people are gonna die

talk about over exaggeration in the extreme

so this rebel army is 700,000 strong? really? most i ever seen on tv coverage is more like 70 maybe i would add a zero if i used my imagination. but 700,000? dont think so somehow

a terrorist with a gun is not an innocent civilian in my opinion

an innocent civilian is someone walking past a building that gets hit by a huge bomb with made in UK on the side

[joeysteele]

I think that's a good point and also part of the problem on this one, it may well be that some of those rebelling against Gaddaffi are indeed terrorists, what are we going to do, help put them into power in Libya?
It's why I still agree with Kelvin Mckenzie after QT on Thursday.we don't know who all these people are that are taking a stand against the Libyan dictatorship,we don't know who we are really benefiting by being involved in this and we should not be there at all.

[Omah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Fletcher

WPC Yvonne Joyce Fletcher (15 June 1958 – 17 April 1984)[1] was a British police officer who was shot and killed in London's St James's Square while on duty during a protest outside the Libyan embassy. Her death resulted in a police siege of the embassy, which lasted for eleven days. The shooting also caused the breakdown of diplomatic relations between the United Kingdom and Libya. Her death was the third murder or manslaughter of an on-duty mainland British policewoman, only 18 months after the first.

Fletcher was born in Wiltshire and joined the Metropolitan Police in 1977. At 5 ft 2¾in (159 cm) tall, she was believed to be Britain's shortest police officer (at the time, police officers were generally subject to minimum height requirements).

Nobody has ever been convicted of her murder, though after 15 years the Libyan government finally accepted responsibility for her death and agreed to pay compensation to her family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Libya#Lockerbie_bombing


In November 1991, two Libyan intelligence agents, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi and Lamin Khalifah Fhimah, were charged with the December 1988 Lockerbie bombing. Libya refused to extradite the two accused to the U.S. or to Scotland. As a result, United Nations Security Council Resolution 748 was approved on March 31, 1992, requiring Libya to surrender the suspects, cooperate with the Pan Am Flight 103 and UTA Flight 772 investigations, pay compensation to the victims' families, and cease all support for terrorism. The UN imposed further sanctions with Resolution 883, a limited assets freeze and an embargo on selected oil equipment, in November 1993. In 1999, six other Libyans who had been accused of the September 1989 bombing of Union Air Transport Flight 772 were put on trial in their absence by a Paris court. They were found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment.

The Libyan government eventually surrendered the two Lockerbie bombing suspects in 1999 for trial at the Scottish Court in the Netherlands and UN sanctions were suspended. On January 31, 2001, at the end of the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial, Megrahi was convicted of murder and sentenced to 27 years in prison. Fhimah was found not guilty and was freed to return to Libya. Megrahi appealed against his conviction but this was rejected in February 2002. In 2003, Libya wrote to the UN Security Council admitting "responsibility for the actions of its officials" in relation to the Lockerbie bombing, renouncing terrorism and agreeing to pay compensation to the relatives of the 270 victims.

Of course, there's lots more Libtan state-sponsored terrorism and aggreaaion :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Libya

[joeysteele]

Indeed Omah, you are right to point out those things, it shows that Gaddaffi has not turned into a tyrant/dictator/west hated figure just over the last few weeks,he always has been but I feel sure you may agree that none of those things you listed prompted military action at those times against him and Libya by our then Govts.

Throughout the last 15 years, the UK govt has edged closer to Libya despite all those events you list,wrongly in my view.

So why does those events not justify action against Gaddaffi then, while something now that he is likely doing to his own people but not directly at us or the West does.

Why don't we help the suffering of Burma for instance, their legitimate opposition leader has lived in fear of her own life for decades and been under house arrest until recently,what about what Mugabe does to his people,we turn a blind eye to that, what will we do if Saudi Arabia rebels against its rulers.where will all this end?

In my view we should have never have started to get involved,we are hated enough in the region anyway,if its true that any civilians get killed because of these air strikes and they will because you can never be sure you cannot not kill civilians in these actions, then the opinion and tide will turn against the UK and its allies doing this.
As a Nation we are hardly ever going to be top of the pops in these areas of the World.

I hope the people get rid of Gaddafi,I hope a better power and govt. comes for Libya from it, but like with Tunisia and Egypt,it is for them to do it not outside intervention from us.

[Grimnir]

When it was Gaddafi and his army vs rebel forces I didn't care which side won really as they both as bad as each other. Only thing that bothered me was the incessant lies of the media and government and we are backing one side over the other. Reason they backing rebels is they want Gaddafi out, they want regime change, they want to take control. Deja vu Iraq. They even using the same script they used for justifying Iraq invasion.

But now the west is bombing the country and innocent civilians will die, could be hundreds or even more, It makes me angry and sad because these people would not be dying if UK and US kept their noses out of other countries business and stop stirring up trouble throughout the middle east.

As well as innocent Libyans dying in may well lead to future terrorist attacks in this country.

[joeysteele]

The moment there is any substantiation of innocent civilian people in Libya being killed as a result of the UK,USA,French air strikes then most certaianly that will be used massively against the West, the death of civilians by outside forces is unacceptable,especially with no declaration of war between the Countries involved.

It will lead to a massive condemnation by States who hate the West as to propaganda of the West trying to dictate who rules where and it is sadly, as Grimnir says above, very likely to increase the likelihood of severe terrorist attacks against the coalition forces Countries.

We should keep our noses and our forces out,unless we are directly threatened by Nations.

[Grimnir]

it just said on news that 64 civilians dead

then next headline said osborne: casualty figures should be met with skepticism

so we are supposed to assume dropping BOMBS on people's heads is not gonna create that many innocent civilian casualties but when we are told innocent people die at hands of army, thats different

ok george whatever you say

[MTVN]

The Arab League's secretary general, Amr Moussa, has announced an emergency meeting of the grouping, saying that the current situation isn't what Arabs had envisaged. "What is happening in Libya differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone, and what we want is the protection of civilians and not the bombardment of more civilians," he said.

[Shasown]

it just said on news that 64 civilians dead

then next headline said osborne: casualty figures should be met with skepticism

so we are supposed to assume dropping BOMBS on people's heads is not gonna create that many innocent civilian casualties but when we are told innocent people die at hands of army, thats different

ok george whatever you say

Its a big IF though isnt it.

If there have been any civilian casualties, its a great shame however, if the targets were his air defence assets, it is possible that civilians were hit. As Libya does have fixed missile sites located within civilian areas.

If the arab league and the west want to overfly the country in order to set up a no fly zone around the rebel held terroritory, then they will destroy Libyan air defence assets in order not to lose their own aircraft to Libyan air defences.

As for a couple of your previous posts. The US has carried out raids in the past on Libya. The Arab League and the West are trying to protect the innocent civilians located in that rebel held territory, primarily because Gaddafi stated the intent to raze towns and and cities to the ground to rout out the rebels. (he uses the word terrorists to describe them)

[arista]

Yes some public may be killed if they are near to targets
that is normal.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Gadaffi declares threats to Mediterenean.....

**** sake why can't this man just step the **** down!!! And are all those weapons france, uk and us going to use, have been using actually going to get gadaffi or what....only civilians and other will suffer...:conf:

[Beso]

This whole thing pisses me off.

I wonder how Britain itself would deal with an uprising by it's citizens ?

Or America in the 60's with it's anti war student protests! How many died at the hands of it's army/police force during that? What would have happened if the students kept up the protest?

Let the arab council sort it all out, it has nothing to do with us.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/20/article-1368028-0B4273E500000578-504_964x465.jpg

[Omah]

#
2249: An administrative building inside Col Gaddafi's compound at Bab al-Aziziya in Tripoli has been "completely destroyed" by a missile, an AFP journalist reports.

:cool:

[Omah]

This whole thing pisses me off.

I wonder how Britain itself would deal with an uprising by it's citizens ?

Or America in the 60's with it's anti war student protests! How many died at the hands of it's army/police force during that? What would have happened if the students kept up the protest?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent State massacre—occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.

Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. Other students who were shot had been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.

Mary Ann Vecchio, a 14-year-old runaway, kneeling in anguish over the body of Jeffrey Miller minutes after he was shot dead by the Ohio National Guard
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/65/Kent_State_massacre.jpg/250px-Kent_State_massacre.jpg)

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students, and the event further affected the public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.

[Omah]

#
0005: The White House has dismissed the latest ceasefire announcement by the Libyan government. A spokesman said the ceasefire declaration had immediately been violated. The UK said Col Gaddafi would be judged by his actions, not his words.

:cool:

[BB_Eye]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Fletcher



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Libya#Lockerbie_bombing



Of course, there's lots more Libtan state-sponsored terrorism and aggreaaion :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Libya
And yet it took until now for us to intervene in Libya. How things change when the prospect of a Western-friendly military coup looms.

[Omah]

And yet it took until now for us to intervene in Libya. How things change when the prospect of a Western-friendly military coup looms.

"plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"

;)

[Omah]

#
0105: A coalition military official has confirmed that Col Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound in Tripoli was targeted by air strike on Sunday night, CNN reports. The official said the compound was targeted because it contained capabilities to exercise command and control over Libyan forces and the coalition goal is to degrade his military capabilities. Neither Col Gaddafi nor his residence was the intended target, the official added.

Shame ..... :sad:

[joeysteele]

I can see us getting embroiled in another long drawn out problem here and still be left with another major problem, what if it all kicks off in Saudi Arabia too.
The Arab league as MTVN has pointed out is now qestioning the actions of the coalition forces, Russia and China are condemning the action.

I can see the UK despite its good intentins on this issue becoming more and more sidelined and isolated for getting involved here at all.

We are not the Worlds police,we have problems and commitments of our own, its time we said NO to these involvements and I believed Cameron and particularly the Lib Dems said that same thing at the election.
Clearly it seems, its getting harder to be able to believe or trust ''anything'' politicians say.

We should not be there at all.

[arista]

"We should not be there at all. "


We are not there
we are all in the Sky.

[arista]

I can see us getting embroiled in another long drawn out problem here and still be left with another major problem, what if it all kicks off in Saudi Arabia too.
The Arab league as MTVN has pointed out is now qestioning the actions of the coalition forces, Russia and China are condemning the action.

I can see the UK despite its good intentins on this issue becoming more and more sidelined and isolated for getting involved here at all.

We are not the Worlds police,we have problems and commitments of our own, its time we said NO to these involvements and I believed Cameron and particularly the Lib Dems said that same thing at the election.
Clearly it seems, its getting harder to be able to believe or trust ''anything'' politicians say.

We should not be there at all.




Take a look at Parliament Live
Even Ed Miliband is backing this Attack.
So all 3 Conservative-Lib Dem and Labour
are United on this.


This is not World Police
it is a Air Attack only.
And if Gadiffi leaves it is over.
Of course they have said they will never leave Alive



In Yemen
that leader has asked the Saudi's
to take over.

So if Saudi Arabia is dealing with these other nations.
The Nato Group of USA, UK , France , Canada
and the Arab group (Qatar & United Arab Emirates)
are dealing with Libya.

[joeysteele]

Take a look at Parliament Live
Even Ed Miliband is backing this Attack.
So all 3 Conservative-Lib Dem and Labour
are United on this.


This is not World Police
it is a Air Attack only.
And if Gadiffi leaves it is over.
Of course they have said they will never leave Alive



In Yemen
that leader has asked the Saudi's
to take over.

So if Saudi Arabia is dealing with these other nations.
The Nato Group of USA, UK , France , Canada
and the Arab group (Qatar & United Arab Emirates)
are dealing with Libya.

I personally do not believe we should be there,on land, sea or air at all, it is an internal revolution and none of our business.

I dare bet that most of the UK is against us being there in any form at all also.

With full and due repsect to you as to your opinion,the one thing I have to say is that if the politicians are in favour of the action then that's hardly an endorsement for it since politicians get so much totally wrong anyway.

What would our response be, if people in the UK were demonstrating, sometimes violently against out government to throw it out and our govt used the police and forces to deal with them with a free hand,but then a country like Saudi or Libya came with air strikes on us?

That I am sure would be seen as an act of war against the UK and as far as I am concerned, what we are doing there is little different.I am very naive as to politics but I think we should keep our noses out of other Countries business and stop thinking we are the Worlds police,although its something we do very selectively ignoring great suffering elsewhere from regimes such as in Burma and Zimbabwe.

[joeysteele]

Also the Military leaders are stressing this is NOT a get Gaddaffi campaign so what is the real reasons and truth behind it, I know, Oil!!

[Grimnir]

Why did UK and US not intervene during Rwanda and Sudan civil wars? Hundreds of thousands of people died and UK and US did nothing.
Rwanda and Sudan were of no interest to them, no matter how many people died.

[arista]

"Zimbabwe"


Thats a Easy one
the other African nations do not want the UK going in.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Mar/Week3/15956718.jpg

[joeysteele]

"Zimbabwe"


Thats a Easy one
the other African nations do not want the UK going in.

Well,yes,I cannot dispute that, you are totally correct,I agree that it would be difficult to go in with no other African approval at least.

I really respect your view arista, you clearly know your stuff. The Foreign Secretary William Hague has made powerful comments on this issue as have many politicians namely Rory Stewart for Penrith and the Borders,he of course has immense knowledge of Afghanistan.

I just wish we were not involved,whether that is a right or wrong view only time will tell,I just hope this action doesn't backfire on the UK.

[Liberty4eva]

I get kind of pissed off when Obama feels he needs to get the UN's approval and ignore the US Congress. Constitutionally (not that people in Washington care anymore) a president has to get Congressional approval before launching a war. And what we are doing are acts of war. Ultimately, the US is going to get the bulk of the responsibility so if we're going to do it, why should Russia or France get a say?

[MTVN]

I get kind of pissed off when Obama feels he needs to get the UN's approval and ignore the US Congress. Constitutionally (not that people in Washington care anymore) a president has to get Congressional approval before launching a war. And what we are doing are acts of war. Ultimately, the US is going to get the bulk of the responsibility so if we're going to do it, why should Russia or France get a say?

Umm.. because they're in the UN? And that's who is taking the responsibility for this action. You're not another American who thinks the world revolves solely around you are you?

I see only 13 MP's voted against the war we're waging, anyone know who they were, cant seem to find it anywhere?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Gaddafis son dead. That's it...it's on now. Gaddafi will alert what ever terrorists he has here, in us and france to do some damage.

wasn't he responsible for the lockerbie or something?

[joeysteele]

Mainly Labour MPs voted against MTVN, but also one Tory MP did too and the Green Party MP Caroline Lucas,also I believe a SDLP MP did too.
Dennis Skinner and Ronnie Campbell were 2 of the Labour MPs who voted against.

[arista]

Mainly Labour MPs voted against MTVN, but also one Tory MP did too and the Green Party MP Caroline Lucas,also I believe a SDLP MP did too.
Dennis Skinner and Ronnie Campbell were 2 of the Labour MPs who voted against.



Not Enough.


Lucas is a Nutter

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/22/article-1368633-0B47B37400000578-873_964x769.jpg

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Mar/Week3/15957404.jpg

Of Course he stays alive
by moving around homes
with Public that would have to go with him.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/22/libya-gaddafi-forces-offensive
Also reported on Worldwide news
Gaddafi's army have gone across land in trucks or cars
and its claimed they have killed rebals
and any non gaddafi public.

[joeysteele]

Not Enough.


Lucas is a Nutter

Not sure I would term her a nutter but I guess you don't agree with much she stands for and on that I agree with you totally as I don't find much practical or that is sense from her.

[MTVN]

Mainly Labour MPs voted against MTVN, but also one Tory MP did too and the Green Party MP Caroline Lucas,also I believe a SDLP MP did too.
Dennis Skinner and Ronnie Campbell were 2 of the Labour MPs who voted against.

Ah thanks for that joey, yes I thought the Green Party MP would have done but wasnt sure of the others

[Liberty4eva]

Umm.. because they're in the UN? And that's who is taking the responsibility for this action. You're not another American who thinks the world revolves solely around you are you?

I see only 13 MP's voted against the war we're waging, anyone know who they were, cant seem to find it anywhere?

I want the US to withdraw from the UN and then watch this organization's credibility crumble. It's an afront to American sovereignty to think that we have to abide by regulations and laws set up by them. When Gaddafi(?) is ranting does he rant about the UN or does he rant about the US? Of course the US will get the blame for whatever happens.

[arista]

I want the US to withdraw from the UN and then watch this organization's credibility crumble. It's an afront to American sovereignty to think that we have to abide by regulations and laws set up by them. When Gaddafi(?) is ranting does he rant about the UN or does he rant about the US? Of course the US will get the blame for whatever happens.



They are making planes for Nato to take control
America wants out.

And the UN is a Yank set up, forever.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/24/article-1369452-0B50BD7F00000578-789_636x323.jpg

Today
French Fighter jet has shot down a Gaddafi warplane in breach of the no-fly zone.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369452/Libya-Fighter-jets-shoot-Gaddafi-warplane-regimes-troops-parade-charred-bodies.html#ixzz1HWo89ZI5



Life In The Fast Lane.

[arista]

Ch4 News
Jon Snow was on Live Camera link to Tripoli
with the Libyan Government Spokesman
Dr. Ibrahim Moussa
who says he is protecting Libya from the rebals.
He said these people are killing us,
and the rebals have never stopped attacking us.

Jon pointed out his name is on the War Criminal Court List.

He will have to kill himself
if rebals get him.

The war is still going on.

[arista]

Nato now takes over of the No Fly Zone.

Attacks from the USA, UK, France is still going on.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/24/article-0-0B53068700000578-205_233x673.jpg

[arista]

Now Gadiffi still is not leaving

Nato's Job is only to help the Rebals, but
on RT Russia News TV they have found Terrorists Al Qaeda
are in Liba taking the arms and bombs out of the country.


Who is in Charge of the rebals - Bin Laden?

[Beso]

Why should gadaffi leave?

not so long ago britain was killing and slaughtering people because they were not happy with british rule, as were the french in the sixties.

One question! are you happy with your lot/ If not get up and fight the system/government, cause seemingly this lot will not defend themselves to the end if it looks like it will all come crumbling down.

[arista]

"Why should gadaffi leave?"

To stay alive.

But he is taking his chances.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/30/article-0-0B405DE300000578-685_634x530.jpg


Gadiffi 's daughter getting behind the troops.


The rebals were pushed back - well they are not Pro -Fighters


Why do they need to go to Tripoli
set up your own Mobile system using Eygpt

[letmein]

I want the US to withdraw from the UN and then watch this organization's credibility crumble. It's an afront to American sovereignty to think that we have to abide by regulations and laws set up by them. When Gaddafi(?) is ranting does he rant about the UN or does he rant about the US? Of course the US will get the blame for whatever happens.

Then be prepared for the US to go every war alone.

The US cannot survive if they break free from the UN if they want to continue their Military Industrial Complex. On second thought, yes, break free now!

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/01/article-1372203-0B6DE3E200000578-499_634x411.jpg

"Supporters: Libyans loyal Gaddafi form a human shield
as they chant slogans at Bab Al-Aziziyah, Gaddafi's heavily
fortified compound, in Tripoli yesterday"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372203/Libya-Gaddafi-envoy-visits-UK-secret-Government-talks.html#ixzz1IHg4ITlo

So are the Nato Forces going to Snuff these People out
or do they have Rights for that area?

[arista]

Nato Fired and Murdered
Rebals today.

One was a Medic Van - Burnt up by the power of the Nato Jet Fighter Missile.

Ch4News Live


Bound to happen
No wonder the Yanks left it to Nato fast.

[arista]

Nato Killed rebals today
but they were in Tanks
how the hell would the Fighter Pilot know that Rebals were
inside it.

The Rebals by now
could try so much harder to talk with Nato,
but they do not even talk to each other , half the time.

ref: Ch4News , SkyNewsHD

[joeysteele]

I think since the rebels are believed to be different factions anyway that if Gaddafi goes and his Govt falls then there is likely to be more conflict between the opposing side of the rebels after that as to who and which element takes control.
I think we are involved in something that will get even worse.The media and even we,the UK, still don't know for sure what is the make up of these rebel forces.

[Rob]

How much longer is this going to continue? I see this being another Iraq...

[joeysteele]

How much longer is this going to continue? I see this being another Iraq...

I think you are right.

[arista]

The African Council
with the Leader of South Africa in charge
visted both sides and made up a ceasefire plan.

But the Rebals said No
as they Demand Gaddafi gone in the deal.


So the Rebals again mucked up all the work ,
this time by the African Council.


Sign Of The Times

[Beso]

Just saw a video on the net regarding rebels making people and kiss and eat dead dog.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Apr/Week2/15972710.jpg

They are United
but it is now a stale mate.

Many are now saying it will be a Split Nation.
The rebals have the Oil Income , though.

[arista]

The Yank president has now confirmed
unmaned Drone bombers are on the way to Libya.


The Drone Bombs Kill everyone in a area.
Even the General public.


CNN, SkyNewsHD ,Fox News

[Liberty4eva]

The rebels have strong ties to al-Qaeda. Does this mean I'm a bad American if I don't support al-Qaeda in Libya?

[arista]

The rebels have strong ties to al-Qaeda. Does this mean I'm a bad American if I don't support al-Qaeda in Libya?


No
as many rebals are alone

[arista]

Gaddifi has been on his TV station
saying he will not leave.

But he then said come and talk with us
make a deal.

Nato could send in African leaders
to see what his deal is,
its better than doing nothing.

Nato keep hitting the wrong people.

Ref: Ch4 News ,
AlJazeera, SkyNewsHD, & CNN

[joeysteele]

We have talked to worse and I think it's already time to find a face saving way to get out of this action before this ends up a millstone around the UKs neck.

We should not have been involved there in the first place.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/31/article-1392532-0C57040300000578-556_634x433.jpg
Gaddafi talks with South African President Zuma at an undisclosed location. It was the first time the tyrant leader has been seen by the world since May 11

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392532/Libya-Gaddafi-appears-TV-SA-leader-Jacob-Zuma-says-tyrant-open-truce.html#ixzz1NwurHHzf

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Jun/Week3/16014975.jpg


It was just a matter of time.
And what does Nato say --- a Tech problem.

Utter Bollocks.
You Murder the wrong people.

How many years is this going to go on?

[joeysteele]

NATO is losing credibility more and more in this conflict, we should get out of it now, we had no right to be there in the frist place.

How we can afford to beats me with all we are told of the mess we are supposed to be in. This is going to be a real millstone round the UKs neck if we don't terminate our being involved at all, very quickly too.

[arista]

NATO is losing credibility more and more in this conflict, we should get out of it now, we had no right to be there in the frist place.

How we can afford to beats me with all we are told of the mess we are supposed to be in. This is going to be a real millstone round the UKs neck if we don't terminate our being involved at all, very quickly too.



Very True


Its a Civil War now.

[MTVN]

Interesting article (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html) in the Independent today, it's looking questionable at best whether Gaddafi did carry out the crimes that were used as a pretext for Nato involvement. Looks like we've raced into another conflict based on misinformation & without knowing the full story

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019174/Libya-Freeing-Lockerbie-bomber-great-mistake-says-William-Hague.html


Now Libya is under a new Council.
And UK Libya Embassy Staff sent home.




And even Gaddafi can stay in his sector.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/27/article-2019174-0D2D767B00000578-891_634x435.jpg

[arista]

Reports from SkyNews and Ch4 News
today both confirm its a matter of weeks before Libya
is under new control.


Also both say Gaddafi is getting ready to leave
a few nations will let him him there back door.


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week3/16053893.jpg

[Iceman]

They're about 6 KM to the city centre of Tripoli. Reports saying Gadaffi has gone. New Parliament.

All live Now on SKY NEWS HD

[Iceman]

Seriously turn this on, its something Ive never seen before they're nearly in Tripoli.

[MTVN]

Got it on now, didn't expect an end to this war so soon, I'm worried about who exactly will replace Gadaffi in power though

[Iceman]

Yeah they meant what they said today when they claimed it'd be over.

[King Gizzard]

Gaddafi is apparently dead

Shot in a hotel

[King Gizzard]

MalikAlAbdeh Malik Al-Abdeh
CONFIRMED: Mu'amar #Gaddafi, leader of #Libya for 42 years, has been shot DEAD in vicinity of Rixos Hotel in #Tripoli. #FF
35 minutes ago

[Iceman]

His son has been captured

[Iceman]

Government call for all Military offense to stop saying 1300 people have been killed in the past 11 hours and 5000 injured.

[Iceman]

Govt saying they have whole cities on the way to fight if they need to

[MTVN]

Gadaffi dead!? ******ing hell :shocked:

[Iceman]

Govt havent said anything about him dead, but then again why would they.

[Iceman]

He's not dead, guy got his wires crossed.

rebels now half a mile from centre of Tripoli

[King Gizzard]

Might of just been a dude trying to get more followers..but I don't think he's going to come out of this alive..

If not assinated then probably hanged

[Wildcat!]

this is all during ramaan too! HOw fckiung sad! Dont they know what Ramadan means, youre not supposed to d these thingS!

I blame the fcuking West for this!

[arista]

'We'll let Gaddafi go safely if he steps down,' say Libyan rebels swarming streets of Tripoli

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2028415/Libya-Rebels-capture-military-base-near-Tripoli-warn-zero-hour-Gaddafi.html#ixzz1VhocFRjS


Will they find him?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/21/article-2028415-0D85D2DE00000578-845_634x359.jpg

[Iceman]

ICC Spokeswoman: Confirms Gaddafi has been detained.

[MTVN]

this is all during ramaan too! HOw fckiung sad! Dont they know what Ramadan means, youre not supposed to d these thingS!

I blame the fcuking West for this!

The West didn't create this civil war

[Iceman]

ICC have said they only have his son now.

According to Sky News 2 planes from South Africa have landed to try get Gaddafi out.

[ElProximo]

The West didn't create this civil war

'The West' did a lot to prevent something much worse from happening (and happening much longer),
however,
Already a small army of commentators, pundits, guilt-ridden elitists, professors and authors now build the story of:

The West is to Blame for this.

[Sunny_01]

this is all during ramaan too! HOw fckiung sad! Dont they know what Ramadan means, youre not supposed to d these thingS!

I blame the fcuking West for this!

Why, how, we did not make Gaddafi a dictator. This madman has led his country under iron rule for decades, they are just fighting back against his rule now.

All the west have tried to do is support the people who want freedom from oppression.

:cloud:

[joeysteele]

I still think we were wrong to get involved in any way in the first place but I do hope Gaddafi goes obviously.

I feel sorry for Cameron, every time he goes off on holiday something big happens that he needs to get back home to address or deal with.

[arista]

I still think we were wrong to get involved in any way in the first place but I do hope Gaddafi goes obviously.

I feel sorry for Cameron, every time he goes off on holiday something big happens that he needs to get back home to address or deal with.



If a rebal gets Gaddafi Alone he can kill him
saving mega money.


But they are still fighting
as some that support Gaddafi fear what will happen to them
after he is gone.

[Sunny_01]

I agree our country should not have gotten involved, but they did what they felt was best to try and ease the oppression in Libya.

Cant do right for doing wrong, but it annoys me when it becomes "the west to blame" get a new drum to beat is what I say.

[MTVN]

I agree our country should not have gotten involved, but they did what they felt was best to try and ease the oppression in Libya.

Cant do right for doing wrong, but it annoys me when it becomes "the west to blame" get a new drum to beat is what I say.

I really dont think we intervened out of a genuine desire to ease the Libyan's suffering; we've been cosying up to Gaddafi the last few years and besides, even if that was the reason we got involved then why wouldn't we do the same in, say, Syria where they are also oppressed and being slaughtered in their thousands?

Nah we're just in it for our own interests as ever

[joeysteele]

I really dont think we intervened out of a genuine desire to ease the Libyan's suffering; we've been cosying up to Gaddafi the last few years and besides, even if that was the reason we got involved then why wouldn't we do the same in, say, Syria where they are also oppressed and being slaughtered in their thousands?

Nah we're just in it for our own interests as ever

Excellent comment MTVN, I agree with every word too.

[letmein]

The West had nothing to do with this.

I really hope the posting about feeling bad for Cameron, was sarcasm.

[MTVN]

Looks like his son hasnt been captured after all, he's turned up in Tripoli!

[arista]

Looks like his son hasnt been captured after all, he's turned up in Tripoli!


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/23/article-2028982-0D890B6500000578-113_634x321.jpg



Yes the first reports smell of Corruption by the Rebals
trying to trick the locals.

Not Over Yet.

[MTVN]

The Rebels have breached Gaddafi's compound now, apparently anyway. I'm not putting too much trust in that though, we heard they controlled 90% of Tripoli 2 days ago and that Gaddafi was captured and looks like that wasn't true

[arista]

The Rebels have breached Gaddafi's compound now, apparently anyway. I'm not putting too much trust in that though, we heard they controlled 90% of Tripoli 2 days ago and that Gaddafi was captured and looks like that wasn't true


Yes they will make use of there many Tunnels


Source : Tim Marshal of SkyNewsHD.


We need to await proper US/UK News TV cameras in there
I do not trust what the Rebals claim.

[Iceman]

the rebels are trying to fool the general public into thinking they won when infact they were far from it.

[arista]

SkyNews is Live from Inside the compound
now.

[arista]

the rebels are trying to fool the general public into thinking they won when infact they were far from it.



Yes they are a mixed bunch
not very Pro.

But there are many tunnels
get a camera down there.


The Bloated BBC could use the SkyNews Live Foottage
to get up to date

[arista]

Wanted Dead or Alive: £1m reward to capture runaway Gaddafi

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029384/Libya-Gaddafis-bust-stamped-rebels-scream-theyll-him.html#ixzz1VxrFeF3U


Of Course Angola says he can come to there nation.

[lostalex]

Wanted Dead or Alive: £1m reward to capture runaway Gaddafi



Dead plz.

[arista]

The rebals claim Gaddafi is in a building in front of them.
All News media


Go in and kill him thats your £1million

[lostalex]

It's actually obnoxious that we even have to pretend like it matters. The middle east was a cess pool, it is a cess pool, and it will always be a cess pool.

Every Dollar spent on that cess pool is a dollar wasted,.

PULL the troops out, and don't spend another muthafooking cent on those basterds, BRINg THE TROOPS HOME plzzzzzzzzzz.

NUke them or LEAVE, that;'s what i think. FFS, wtf are we still doing there.

Every hospital we built, they blow up, so what the FOOK are we doing there. LEt them kill each other, save my tax money, and let them kill themselves.

[arista]

Oil is the key here


So the yanks , brits or italians
are all protecting there oil deals.

[lostalex]

Oil is the key here


So the yanks , brits or italians
are all protecting there oil deals.

ACTUALLY the western oil companies already were well set up in Libya,. this war is costing them millions of dollars. SO sorry, yur war for oil conspiracy doesn't work in this case. FAIL.

[MTVN]

ACTUALLY the western oil companies already were well set up in Libya,. this war is costing them millions of dollars. SO sorry, yur war for oil conspiracy doesn't work in this case. FAIL.

Hence why they want an end to the war ASAP by backing the rebels who overtook most of the East where all the oil is early on in the conflict

[lostalex]

Hence why they want an end to the war ASAP by backing the rebels who overtook most of the East where all the oil is early on in the conflict

Um but if they wanted to protect their investments, wouldn't it have been easier to just let Ghadaffi crush the rebels? which he could have easily done without NATO assisting them...

I don't follow yur logic,.

[MTVN]

Um but if they wanted to protect their investments, wouldn't it have been easier to just let Ghadaffi crush the rebels? which he could have easily done without NATO assisting them...

I don't follow yur logic,.

That's not really possible, the West couldn't oppose the Libyan uprising because they were fighting for the same values that the West always preach; freedom, democracy etc. So once the Libyans have rebelled, started making gains and taken control of a lot of the oil then naturally they're going to support them especially when they were promising to trade with the West. It was only later that Gadaffi started to take back a lot of the country and was knocking on the door in Benghazi, from there they couldnt just ignore it and if Gadaffi did succeed in ruthlessly crushing the uprising then they still couldnt really continue to trade with a dictator who the world had turned their back on and who has destroyed the very rebellion the West were supporting

[lostalex]

Well the west seems content to allow Cuba, and Syria, and China, and Iran, and North Korea to suffer without democracy...

[MTVN]

Well the west seems content to allow Cuba, and Syria, and China, and Iran, and North Korea to suffer without democracy...

Well yeah, there's either no uprising there or there's nothing to gain from military intervention

[lostalex]

Well yeah, there's either no uprising there or there's nothing to gain from military intervention
there;s nothing to gain from military intervention in Iran? really?

[MTVN]

there;s nothing to gain from military intervention in Iran? really?

Not really no, it would be bloody, destructive, expensive and there's unlikely to be support for such a move. What would you do, just bomb the place to sh*t and install an American puppet government?

[lostalex]

Not really no, it would be bloody, destructive, expensive and there's unlikely to be support for such a move. What would you do, just bomb the place to sh*t and install an American puppet government?


nooo, we'd free them and give them freedom and they'd be all like, OMG America thank you so much for giving us freedom :)

[MTVN]

nooo, we'd free them and give them freedom and they'd be all like, OMG America thank you so much for giving us freedom :)

Edit - Actually I'm a Mod now so I'd better spoiler this:
(contain's offensive language)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/353466683_b32f39724c.jpg

:D

[arista]

Edit - Actually I'm a Mod now so I'd better spoiler this:
(contain's offensive language)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/353466683_b32f39724c.jpg

:D




Bang On Right
MTVN.


The Yanks are Danger to the World.
to put it in my own Crude Way.

[arista]

Anyway in Libya Italy and France
are doing more deals than any other nation.

[joeysteele]

Anyway in Libya Italy and France
are doing more deals than any other nation.

Very true.

[MTVN]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15311520

Looks like some Gaddafi Loyalists have sprung up in Tripoli again, I think people underestimate the extent to which some people do support him tbh

[arista]

Looks like some Gaddafi Loyalists have sprung up in Tripoli again, I think people underestimate the extent to which some people do support him tbh




Yes a Civil War.

Maybe they need to talk more.