Queen to visit eire

[karezza]

Her Majesty the Queen is to visit Eire. Will the Eire populace protest against this gracious visit?

:hugesmile:

[patsylimerick]

First off, it's Ireland. And second, we've got more important things to worry about. I hope she enjoys her visit.

[karezza]

First off, it's Ireland. And second, we've got more important things to worry about. I hope she enjoys her visit.

Sinn Fein plan to hurl potatoes at her - it is a disgrace.

[arista]

How very nice for the Old and Young folks of Eire.

[patsylimerick]

Sinn Fein plan to hurl potatoes at her - it is a disgrace.

Potatoes?! Aren't they softening in their old age.......................

[Pyramid*]

Her Majesty the Queen is to visit Eire. Will the Eire populace protest against this gracious visit?

:hugesmile:

How utterly enthralling.

[Angus]

Seeing as how Eire were quick enough to snatch the £7 billion bail out from the UK to prop up their economy, the very least they can do is to treat the Queen with respect and give her a warm welcome.

Sinn Fein are definitely going soft - it used to be bombs they threw, not potatoes.

[BB_Eye]

Times have moved on. They prefer her to the Pope now... understandably.

[Shaun]

well she is much fitter.

[Ramsay]

well she is much fitter.

:joker:

['Conor]

eww.

[patsylimerick]

Seeing as how Eire were quick enough to snatch the £7 billion bail out from the UK to prop up their economy, the very least they can do is to treat the Queen with respect and give her a warm welcome.

Sinn Fein are definitely going soft - it used to be bombs they threw, not potatoes.

I dunno.................. taking inflation into consideration and all, I think the UK probably got off lightly for 700 years or raping our livestock, crops and natural resources................................. €7 billion sounds like a steal

[Angus]

I dunno.................. taking inflation into consideration and all, I think the UK probably got off lightly for 700 years or raping our livestock, crops and natural resources................................. €7 billion sounds like a steal

Nah, I think the atrocities committed by the IRA are enough revenge for anyone to exact, without resorting to daylight robbery as well. If you want to be independent that means paying your own bills.

[Shaun]

yay, irish/british tension that never really goes anywhere since none of those still alive on either side are directly accountable for said atrocities (well, the IRA...maybe...)

[patsylimerick]

Nah, I think the atrocities committed by the IRA are enough revenge for anyone to exact, without resorting to daylight robbery as well. If you want to be independent that means paying your own bills.

Politically independent, financially tied into the EU, as is the UK. And the major banking interests who fuelled the outlandish lending here and in so many other countries are scattered across Europe. This is a global issue and culpability knows no traditional geographic boundaries.
Oh, and there were atrocities on both sides. I'm no apologist for the IRA and have spent most of the last week ranting at anyone who would listen about the dangerously significant protest vote Sinn Fein picked up in our national election.
However, in a historical context - which is what I was addressing - they didn't lick all that anger off the ground, you know. A great many people who comment on this would do well to read up a bit on the genesis of the republican movement in Northern Ireland.
Also, I'm a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and the activities of a small number of extremists does not speak for me or settle any debts on my score - no more than those who most recently planted bombs on London busses spoke for you.

[patsylimerick]

yay, irish/british tension that never really goes anywhere since none of those still alive on either side are directly accountable for said atrocities (well, the IRA...maybe...)

Were you paying attention to the recent report into the Bloody Sunday atrocities by the paras?

[joeysteele]

All Nations have some reasons for holding negative thoughts to certain things and people visiting their country where in history there has been tensions.
English hands in history are very far from clean as to the Republic of Ireland too.

However the President of Ireland has invited the Queen to the Nation and she has accepted,naturally some will welcome the visit,others not so, that does not mean necessarily disrespect to the Queen but its only natural there will be some reservations to the visit.

Whatever any protests may take, I am sure they will be lower key protests but as I said English(and I am English) hands are far from clean as to our treatment of the Irish in parts of history so it is never likely our Monarch would be welcomed by everyone there.

I hope in the end it goes well for her and all the great people of the Republic of Ireland too.

[patsylimerick]

All Nations have some reasons for holding negative thoughts to certain things and people visiting their country where in history there has been tensions.
English hands in history are very far from clean as to the Republic of Ireland too.

However the President of Ireland has invited the Queen to the Nation and she has accepted,naturally some will welcome the visit,others not so, that does not mean necessarily disrespect to the Queen but its only natural there will be some reservations to the visit.

Whatever any protests may take, I am sure they will be lower key protests but as I said English(and I am English) hands are far from clean as to our treatment of the Irish in parts of history so it is never likely our Monarch would be welcomed by everyone there.

I hope in the end it goes well for her and all the great people of the Republic of Ireland too.

Thanks for that very fair post. I think she'll get a cordial, courteous welcome. The suggestion earlier in the thread that Ireland is somehow beholden to England because of the EU/IMF Euro rescue package - because that's what it was, a self-serving currency rescue package - riled me. I should know better.
In any event, that issue has nothing to do with the Queen visiting Ireland. I have little interest in the Queen or the rest of her family but, as I said earlier, I hope she enjoys her visit.

[joeysteele]

Thanks for that very fair post. I think she'll get a cordial, courteous welcome. The suggestion earlier in the thread that Ireland is somehow beholden to England because of the EU/IMF Euro rescue package - because that's what it was, a self-serving currency rescue package - riled me. I should know better.
In any event, that issue has nothing to do with the Queen visiting Ireland. I have little interest in the Queen or the rest of her family but, as I said earlier, I hope she enjoys her visit.

You are welcome,I am sure the visit will go well. As to any EU/IMF rescue package,well the UK has had to have IMF assistance in the past too and if the UK has contributed to the rescue package decreed by the EU for the Republic of Ireland,then I for one am glad to see the UK doing something for one of our closer neighbours in the World rather than shifting massive funds to all and sundryall over the globe elesewhere.
I think you had some justification to be a little angry.
I too also think the Queen will get a courteous welcome, the Irish are well known for their hospitality.

[Jessica.]

I think the woman is okay I suppose, if she wants to visit Ireland it's not really a big deal, Irish people are awful though, some kids will probably try to petrol bomb whichever form of transportation she uses. Irish children are brought up to hate the queen and to hate the English, I know it's wrong but people are automatically against anything the queen does, I know she wasn't even born, so I can't possibly dislike her. Hopefully everything will go well during her visit, I have nothing against her or the rest of her family personally.

[patsylimerick]

I think the woman is okay I suppose, if she wants to visit Ireland it's not really a big deal, Irish people are awful though, some kids will probably try to petrol bomb whichever form of transportation she uses. Irish children are brought up to hate the queen and to hate the English, I know it's wrong but people are automatically against anything the queen does, I know she wasn't even born, so I can't possibly dislike her. Hopefully everything will go well during her visit, I have nothing against her or the rest of her family personally.

Irish people are amongst the best educated in the world. You, on the other hand, went through an education system that conveniently ignores all of England's 'activities' in Ireland.
Oh, and for the first time since I joined TiBBs, reported.

[Stu]

I'm going to seek her out and sex her up. Rawr.

[Stu]

Irish people are amongst the best educated in the world. You, on the other hand, went through an education system that conveniently ignores all of England's 'activities' in Ireland.
Oh, and for the first time since I joined TiBBs, reported.
She's from Limerick.

[patsylimerick]

She's from Limerick.

You have seriously got to be kidding me? The only assumption I can now make is that she's under 12.

[Stu]

I think she has a point. Irish kids are thick. Most kids are. They will be gatheting in their droves to throw empty coke bottles and cigarette butts as close as they can at the proceedings.

I'm from Cork, I should mention. Huns out etc.

[Jessica.]

Irish people are amongst the best educated in the world. You, on the other hand, went through an education system that conveniently ignores all of England's 'activities' in Ireland.
Oh, and for the first time since I joined TiBBs, reported.

I am Irish love. I live in Limerick.

[patsylimerick]

I think she has a point. Irish kids are thick. Most kids are. They will be gatheting in their droves to throw empty coke bottles and cigarette butts as close as they can at the proceedings.

I'm from Cork, I should mention. Huns out etc.

I'm in the unfortunate position of not posting often enough to be able to recall quickly who I'm interacting with.
Funnily enough, though, it's coming back to me.

[Jessica.]

You have seriously got to be kidding me? The only assumption I can now make is that she's under 12.

:xyxwave: 18

[Smithy]

I think the woman is okay I suppose, if she wants to visit Ireland it's not really a big deal, Irish people are awful though, some kids will probably try to petrol bomb whichever form of transportation she uses. Irish children are brought up to hate the queen and to hate the English, I know it's wrong but people are automatically against anything the queen does, I know she wasn't even born, so I can't possibly dislike her. Hopefully everything will go well during her visit, I have nothing against her or the rest of her family personally.

:conf2:

Was she hatched then?

[Jessica.]

:conf2:

Was she hatched then?

She wasn't born when the English Royal family decided that they wanted to won Ireland boo.

[patsylimerick]

Self-hatred is a truly disgusting and deeply pitiful attribute - you might figure that out as you get older. I'll leave it at that, because you're just a child.

[Smithy]

She wasn't born when the English Royal family decided that they wanted to won Ireland boo.

what D:

[Jessica.]

what D:

own* oops :blush:

[Stu]

I'm in the unfortunate position of not posting often enough to be able to recall quickly who I'm interacting with.
Funnily enough, though, it's coming back to me.
We best be on our finest behaviour then or Angus will lead a royal battalion to sort us out. She's so economically clued up that she knows England only bailed the micks out because of their endless mercy and it has nothing at all to do with putting an investment in ... you know ... stabilizing things for the betterment of all and all that sort of intercontinental gibberish.

Self-hatred is a truly disgusting and deeply pitiful attribute - you might figure that out as you get older. I'll leave it at that, because you're just a child.
Yeah it's only fair to be blindly devotional to your shithole of a country.

[Jessica.]

Self-hatred is a truly disgusting and deeply pitiful attribute - you might figure that out as you get older. I'll leave it at that, because you're just a child.

I am eighteen years old, I know what I am talking about, I studied History in Secondary School, since I'm not ancient, which I'm guessing you are, I know what young people are like and what their interpretation is of the queen and England is. This isn't self hate, I am not the Irish people, I am one person and I don't speak for everyone. You can't expect me to love everything about Ireland just because I have Irish blood in me, I love a lot of things about Ireland, but lets be rational, it has it's faults.

[patsylimerick]

We best be on our finest behaviour then or Angus will lead a royal battalion to sort us out. She's so economically clued up that she knows England only bailed the micks out because of their endless mercy and it has nothing at all to do with putting an investment in ... you know ... stabilizing things for the betterment of all and all that sort of intercontinental gibberish.


Yeah it's only fair to be blindly devotional to your shithole of a country.

There's nothing blind about my appreciation of the society in which I live. But it is tempered by having lived in a few others. Makes you appreciate what you've got. You can be equally miserable or contented in any continent or '**** hole' of a country in the world. It's about so much more than your GDP or climate. I feel quite sorry for those who don't appear to have figured that out yet.

[patsylimerick]

I am eighteen years old, I know what I am talking about, I studied History in Secondary School, since I'm not ancient, which I'm guessing you are, I know what young people are like and what their interpretation is of the queen and England is. This isn't self hate, I am not the Irish people, I am one person and I don't speak for everyone. You can't expect me to love everything about Ireland just because I have Irish blood in me, I love a lot of things about Ireland, but lets be rational, it has it's faults.

:conf:.....and I quote 'Irish people are awful though'.....
Not some Irish people are awful; not somethings about Ireland and the Irish are awful, just a lazy, mindnumbing sweeping generalisation. Which, of course, is at the heart of every good debate.............

[Iceman]

dont care, wont bother me at all, although if she goes to the presidents house i live opposite it so that could be interesting....

[Stu]

It's nice to keep assuming you are the only one who has everything figured out, isin't it.

I like some things about Ireland but I have absoloutely no intention whatsoever of staying here. It's full of some humorous, amicable characters but it's also in equal part full of miserable, closet racist purveyors of doom. Other countries do what we do bigger and better. And they don't **** it all up for everyone.

I have no business here and feel no reason to hide that because it just happens to be the land where I popped out of my mums vadge.

[arista]

It's nice to keep assuming you are the only one who has everything figured out, isin't it.

I like some things about Ireland but I have absoloutely no intention whatsoever of staying here. It's full of some humorous, amicable characters but it's also in equal part full of miserable, closet racist purveyors of doom. Other countries do what we do bigger and better. And they don't **** it all up for everyone.

I have no business here and feel no reason to hide that because it just happens to be the land where I popped out of my mums vadge.


Is Ireland more Anti Gay?

I think it is.

[Stu]

Is Ireland more Anti Gay?

I think it is.
Maybe England appears more accepting in sheer numbers due to the fact that English cities are full of more foreigners, minorities and open minded types than Irish cities by plain virtue of the fact that it has more people and more cities but if you were to gauge it by sector of society, one against the other, I would imagine they are about the same.

[Vicky.]

I have no business here and feel no reason to hide that because it just happens to be the land where I popped out of my mums vadge.
Such a lovely way with words :laugh2:

[Stu]

I'm heir apparent to a great Irish tradition of being crafty with you ****ers language.

[Jessica.]

I'm heir apparent to a great Irish tradition of being crafty with you ****ers language.

:laugh3:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i heard all the royal family are lizards

[Shaun]

i heard all the royal family are lizards

just Phillip.

[Tom.]

I reckon Harry should be king. that would be fun

[patsylimerick]

I think they should re-name the 'Serious Debates' section.............

[Jessica.]

I think they should re-name the 'Serious Debates' section.............

wurk it patsy

[Pyramid*]

I think they should re-name the 'Serious Debates' section.............

Given the multitudie of banal threads full of fun and lightheartedness and daftness- you'd think it wouldn't be hard to leave Serious Debates to those mature enough to want to have serious debates. Or at least, for the few live threads in the Serious Debates section to be moderated to allow that nature of discussion to flow.

[Niamh.]

The biggest problem I have with a visit from the queen is how much it'll cost us when we're in the middle of a recession and getting tax hikes, pay cuts left right and centre

[Iceman]

Was just in the park there, they're cutting down all the trees near the presidents house and making it look nice by planting shrubs and stuff....

[Shasown]

Was just in the park there, they're cutting down all the trees near the presidents house and making it look nice by planting shrubs and stuff....

Its not about making it look nice, its about clearing fields of observation and fire for security purposes.

[patsylimerick]

The biggest problem I have with a visit from the queen is how much it'll cost us when we're in the middle of a recession and getting tax hikes, pay cuts left right and centre

I hadn't thought of that, and you're right. Imagine the Garda overtime bill out of this :shocked:

[Niamh.]

I hadn't thought of that, and you're right. Imagine the Garda overtime bill out of this :shocked:

yeah, definitely, I just think in these times, we just can't afford extravagances like this. It would make your blood boil seeing them take money from the poorest of the poor, the elderly, carers etc on the one hand and then spending a fortune on things like this, and their expenses and helicopter trips etc