England: A weak nation?

[Benjamin]

While travelling I came across many people from other countries and many of who said that England was a weak nation as we are cowardly, let other nations walk all over us, cannot stand up for ourselves and that we are generally a laughable nation.

Do you agree with this?

[MTVN]

I think it's time to stop thinking we're this great world power that we might have been a century ago if I'm honest, I'd prefer if we started to keep out of other countries affairs instead of taking it upon ourselves to be the moral police in the world. I wouldnt say we're unable to defend ourselves though, we're one of the only countries with nuclear weapons for a start

[Smithy]

-waits for LostAlex to say something obnoxious and condescending-

[InOne]

It seems we are yeah. We'd get killed if we got into a war on our own or somebody actually invaded us. We'd always need America to step in.

Plus we waste loads on other wars and give aid to countries to keep up this outer image that we're a decent country.

[ILoveTRW]

Very Weak, infact, pathetic.
Ireland, Scotland and Wales are the only countries I can think of that are more pathetic.

[Mystic Mock]

if they said that we sucked as a football team then i would agree with them.

and i think every country has parts where they are cowardly,so its a bit stupid to point out us.

[Novo]

One of the strongest Nations.. how many countries are actually in a better situation then us?

[arista]

While travelling I came across many people from other countries and many of who said that England was a weak nation as we are cowardly, let other nations walk all over us, cannot stand up for ourselves and that we are generally a laughable nation.

Do you agree with this?


No I do not.


The Cowards are the Yanks that Carpet Bombed Public
in Iraq,

[Scarlett.]

We are hardly weak, we have the second largest navy in the world, we have soldiers in almost every part of the world, sorting out other countries problems, we're keeping ourselves afloat during the financial crisis unlike other countries across the world. Not bad for an island nation.

[Shasown]

We are hardly weak, we have the second largest navy in the world, we have soldiers in almost every part of the world, sorting out other countries problems, we're keeping ourselves afloat during the financial crisis unlike other countries across the world. Not bad for an island nation.

2nd largest in NATO to the US. There are several countries outside of NATO with larger navies, Russia, Japan, France and China spring to mind. India could also give us a run after recent defence cuts.

However if you mean powerful again third to US and Russia, chinese nuclear strike vessels are still some way behind

[billy123]

We have had things so good for so long we take it for granted and have become a spoilt nation that moans about the littlest thing.
Instead of being proud of what we have got brits seem to concentrate on any negative they can find. Compared to most countrys we have a hell of a lot to be proud of but dont seem to see it.
If we are so weak why does half the world want to live here?

[bananarama]

We may be quite strong from a military point of view but sadly as a nation we are weak in the head........Or to be more pecise our leaders no matter what party are weak in the head......

Brave people have died in two world wars to save the culture of the nation they faught for..........Only for the nations culture to be sabotaged by multi culturism complements of our treacherous leaders over a period of decades.

Multi racism can work. No reason race differences alone should make any difference. Multi culturism however destroys the the basic culture of the host country to the point it has no personal culture therefore has no personal identity therefore is weak in the head like those responsible for allowing it to happen........

If ever there were to be another world war based on east against the west.....This country and indeed all countries that have secumbed to multiculturism would be faced with multiple 5th columns that would be insurmountable and bring about the total destruction of the multi cultural countries....

The future is bleak..........For sooner or later such a war will emerge......

[BB_Eye]

We probably have the weakest politicians in the world. Not that dishonesty and lack of integrity don't come with the job description, but I look at the vast majority of British politicians and think 'Christ, grow a pair!' or 'Come back Ann Widdecombe, all is forgiven'. One or the other.

[Niall]

I don't think Britain should really think of itself so highly anymore. We are a world power no longer - that time passed long ago. And I don't really think we let other nations walk all over us. :/

Militarily though I do think that we are quite strong as we have our nuclear defences and strong military. We also have the 3rd highest military expenditure in the world so I don't think out defences are that weak. D:

[Zippy]

While travelling I came across many people from other countries and many of who said that England was a weak nation as we are cowardly, let other nations walk all over us, cannot stand up for ourselves and that we are generally a laughable nation.

Do you agree with this?

no

cannot stand up for ourselves? yeah thats why we haven't lost a war in the past 100 years.

[karezza]

The Labour Party has ruined England. Everything wrong with Albion is due to the hated Labour Party.

[Z]

I don't know if this is meant in a military sense or not... I think England suffers from a lack of national identity; whereas the other nations in the United Kingdom, if nothing else, can at least unite against England when it comes to sporting events in a sort of pantomime way. There's a very distinct national identity in Scotland, for example, the kilt, whisky, Irn Bru, being ginger, Flower Of Scotland, ceilidhs... I don't know much about England really, but I've just never gotten the impression that there are any equivalents to that. So in that sense, I'd say England is a weak nation, there's no cultural identity there for people to be attached to or be proud of.

[Shasown]

I don't think Britain should really think of itself so highly anymore. We are a world power no longer - that time passed long ago. And I don't really think we let other nations walk all over us. :/

Militarily though I do think that we are quite strong as we have our nuclear defences and strong military. We also have the 3rd highest military expenditure in the world so I don't think out defences are that weak. D:

We may have the 3rd highest expenditure, but we dont exactly get value for money for what is spent. Take the recent announcements that the MOD were buying lightbulbs that cost 65p on the High Street for the princely sum of £22 each.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/14713/

Or because the project had already gone dramatically over budget and the In Service date was likely to be put back yet again. The MOD decided just to scrap the Nimrod MRA4 project, having already spent over £3.6bn on it. Leaving the UK reliant on other countries for Maritime Reconnaisance and Airborne Control Systems.

Then instead of retro fitting the airframes with older equipment and selling the aircraft overseas to recoup some of the loss. Simply destroyed the airframes by bulldozer. On top of which Bae are seeking compensation for the closure of the Woodford works which was solely reliant on that contract.

Its a shame that most of the money that is thrown at the MOD isnt spent where its needed most - at the sharp end.

http://video.news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/A-Committee-Of-MPs-Finds-Defence-Projects-Are-Over-Spending-At-Cost-Of-8-Billion-Pounds-To-Taxpayer/Article/201102315938186?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_4&lid=ARTICLE_15938186_A_Committee_Of_MPs_Finds_Defe nce_Projects_Are_Over-Spending_At_Cost_Of_8_Billion_Pounds_To_Taxpayer

[Beastie]

While travelling I came across many people from other countries and many of who said that England was a weak nation as we are cowardly, let other nations walk all over us, cannot stand up for ourselves and that we are generally a laughable nation.

Do you agree with this?

I agree. But some people still have a chip on their shoulder on what happened many years ago about England "taken over" other countries.

These people need to get over themselves. And the UK needs to shape itself up BIG TIME. The main problem in this country is over population. Well.. just stop bloody immigrants coming in! I am not racist at all. I like it that we have a metropolitain country but there is not enough room for everyone just to live here!

Thank God David Cameron is PM because I think he is meant to be sorting this immigraton thing out.

In America you can't just be a resident and live there..

The UK is tiny in comparison to most other countries!!

I think us.. as the UK are scared to be honest. Scared to put our foot down. There needs to be less lenient sentences in the justice system.. STOP PUSSY FOOTING AROUND. And less immigrants.

An immigrant at my work says he is applying for a council house. But he already lives in a house :S Mmm.

[Beastie]

We have had things so good for so long we take it for granted and have become a spoilt nation that moans about the littlest thing.
Instead of being proud of what we have got brits seem to concentrate on any negative they can find. Compared to most countrys we have a hell of a lot to be proud of but dont seem to see it.
If we are so weak why does half the world want to live here?

This. The only thing I am complaining about is the 2 main things I have mentioned. Mainly an overcrowded population. Due to too many immigrants coming in or too many unwanted babies. This all needs to stop!

[Shasown]

The Labour Party has ruined England. Everything wrong with Albion is due to the hated Labour Party.

How conveniently you forget:

UK Parliament ratified the European Convention on Human Rights 1951, with it coming into force in 1953, both under Winston Churchill (Conservative)

1962 Britain applied for the first time to join the European Economic Community under Harold MacMillan (Conservative) France vetoed the application.

1973 Britain entered the EEC under Prime Minister Edward Heath (Conservative)

The Treaty of Maastricht signed (1992) and ratified (1993) under John Major (Conservative)

[BB_Eye]

I agree. But some people still have a chip on their shoulder on what happened many years ago about England "taken over" other countries.

These people need to get over themselves. And the UK needs to shape itself up BIG TIME. The main problem in this country is over population. Well.. just stop bloody immigrants coming in! I am not racist at all. I like it that we have a metropolitain country but there is not enough room for everyone just to live here!PThe situation is more complex than that. For every resident of the UK, there is over an entire acre of land area. The vast majority of it consists of uninhabited agricultural land with unspoilt wilderness coming a distant second. Villages, towns and cities barely make up 9% of the UK's landmass due to archaic laws that make it extremely difficult buy land. Hence the ridiculously high property prices in places like London.

Thank God David Cameron is PM because I think he is meant to be sorting this immigraton thing out.Good luck with that. Cameron is a complete doormat where foreign policy is concerned, particularly in Europe, where most of our immigrants come from, whether from home in Poland or or dumped on Britain from French refugee camps.

In America you can't just be a resident and live there..

The UK is tiny in comparison to most other countries!!

I think us.. as the UK are scared to be honest. Scared to put our foot down. There needs to be less lenient sentences in the justice system.. STOP PUSSY FOOTING AROUND. And less immigrants.

An immigrant at my work says he is applying for a council house. But he already lives in a house :S Mmm.http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/7422/original/Cool_story_bro.JPG?1249311684

[Beastie]

The situation is more complex than that. For every resident of the UK, there is over an entire acre of land area. The vast majority of it consists of uninhabited agricultural land with unspoilt wilderness coming a distant second. Villages, towns and cities barely make up 9% of the UK's landmass due to archaic laws that make it extremely difficult buy land. Hence the ridiculously high property prices in places like London.

Good luck with that. Cameron is a complete doormat where foreign policy is concerned, particularly in Europe, where most of our immigrants come from, whether from home in Poland or or dumped on Britain from French refugee camps.

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/7422/original/Cool_story_bro.JPG?1249311684

Piss taker.

Other counties have to be made more accessible. And the UK has to become a lot more stricter like other countries to scare off immigrants coming here!

[Livia]

I don't know if this is meant in a military sense or not... I think England suffers from a lack of national identity; whereas the other nations in the United Kingdom, if nothing else, can at least unite against England when it comes to sporting events in a sort of pantomime way. There's a very distinct national identity in Scotland, for example, the kilt, whisky, Irn Bru, being ginger, Flower Of Scotland, ceilidhs... I don't know much about England really, but I've just never gotten the impression that there are any equivalents to that. So in that sense, I'd say England is a weak nation, there's no cultural identity there for people to be attached to or be proud of.

England his a rich culture and national identity. Just because they don't feel the need for a fancy dress costume doesn't mean they are weak and without identity. England has a very rich heritage of language and literature for example, which doesn't include the word "gotten".



This is kind of an insulting thread. Everyone should be proud of their culture, wherever they come from, without people calling them weak. There's a lot of hate vented towards England by the other nations of the UK for stuff that happened lifetimes ago. That hate just isn't returned by the English. They just keep paying the lion's share of the bills, quietly and without much moaning. For the time being, at least.

[Benjamin]

England his a rich culture and national identity. Just because they don't feel the need for a fancy dress costume doesn't mean they are weak and without identity. England has a very rich heritage of language and literature for example, which doesn't include the word "gotten".



This is kind of an insulting thread. Everyone should be proud of their culture, wherever they come from, without people calling them weak. There's a lot of hate vented towards England by the other nations of the UK for stuff that happened lifetimes ago. That hate just isn't returned by the English. They just keep paying the lion's share of the bills, quietly and without much moaning. For the time being, at least.

This thread isn't designed to be insulting, it's how some people around the world see us. :thumbs:

[Zippy]

enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg

[Benjamin]

enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg

There is a difference between being seen as popular and seen as a cowardly nation though.

I think our ties with the USA don't help that matter as even some English people believe we are their lapdog sometimes.

[Mystic Mock]

enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg

but germany had hitler.:joker:

[Zippy]

but germany had hitler.:joker:

John Galliano has made Hitler cool again.

[InOne]

I still don't think England is what it was. Whatever we have/had, it's still gradually fading. I dread to think what it will be like in 30 years.

[Mystic Mock]

I still don't think England is what it was. Whatever we have/had, it's still gradually fading. I dread to think what it will be like in 30 years.

same here,as im scared.:sad:

[Zippy]

I still don't think England is what it was. Whatever we have/had, it's still gradually fading. I dread to think what it will be like in 30 years.

no country is what it was. People will still hold on to the same perceptions of us just like we've held the same perceptions of the French and Germans for centuries.

Germany have been castrated military wise since the 2nd world war. France likewise are no longer viewed as a military force because they got pussywhipped in the 2nd world war. At least we still have our military record to be proud of and we aint gonna lose a war anytime soon.

Economically I seriously doubt foreigners keep check of our GDP and then adjust their opinions of us accordingly. So really, our general perceptions of different nationalities is set in stone. We will always like the yanks and the French will always dislike us etc etc. These things never change.

[arista]

"Yanks and the French "


No I hate them both.

[joeysteele]

I don't necessarily think the UK as a whole is a weaker Nation but it is and should be a changing Nation.

It's time to realise we don't have an empire anymore,that the Commonwealth that wasa strong part of our identity has all bit gone now too,however as a Nation we can still be influential as long as we stop poking our noses into other Countries as if we were rulers of the World and carried on sorting out our own identity and status now in the modern World.

Within our Country we are worst served not by the population as a whole but by extremely bad politicians,the worst of whom seem to get the most influence and power in politics.
Having said that,as a multi cultural Nation full of diversity and also the means of great success we can still have a very important voice and role in the World,as long we now realise that we cannot go it alone now and that we have to become team players in the modern World. Hopefully our politicians will realise that eventually.

The Great that should be still in Great Britain should now mean the greatness of a bit more humility and learning from other Nations.
Look at the chaos Germany had,it had all the re-unification of 20 years ago,the massive costs and financial chaos that caused them, its history steeped in defeat in the 20th century,it too badly suffered under the recent global recession it is now though a strong example of what good politicians and determination can do for a Nation.

If we start to look at Countries like them and learn too then the UK can and will remain a strong Nation but with much greater respect than it has now from some parts of the World.

[lostalex]

enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg


hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

[Benjamin]

hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

They didn't ask 16 countries, they asked for opinions ON the 16 countries.

[Shasown]

hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

You obviously know very little about the BBC then!

[Angus]

John Galliano has made Hitler cool again.

When was Hitler ever "cool" except to the terminally moronic and braindead creeps that crawled up his arse 70 odd years ago????

I would seriously question the mentality of anyone who has been influenced by the talentless little gob****e that is Galliano to think that Hitler is "cool"........... "again".:bored:

[Zippy]

When was Hitler ever "cool" except to the terminally moronic and braindead creeps that crawled up his arse 70 odd years ago????

I would seriously question the mentality of anyone who has been influenced by the talentless little gob****e that is Galliano to think that Hitler is "cool"........... "again".:bored:

LOL @ you taking that comment seriously! :laugh3:

[Niall]

LOL @ you taking that comment seriously! :laugh3:

This. :joker::joker::joker::joker:

[letmein]

LMAO!

A whole portion of the British army was captured in Libya. It's one of the most embarrassing moments for the UK in modern years.

[letmein]

hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

The BBC is not funded by the government.

[Pyramid*]

hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

PSML..... The BBC is a British Government funded media company -really ?!!:laugh3:

When are you going to stop making a complete fool of yourself? In fact, keep it up, it's highly amusing!

[Pyramid*]

LMAO!

A whole portion of the British army was captured in Libya. It's one of the most embarrassing moments for the UK in modern years.

Sssshhh...... I won't shout Vietnam too loudly

[arista]

Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?


Losta you need to travel
you have so much wrong data.


You are not a normal Yank.

[Angus]

LOL @ you taking that comment seriously! :laugh3:

Why bother posting in a Serious Debates forum then? I suspect, in that case, that nothing you have to say is intended seriously or is of any import, and is just mere attention seeking BS:rolleyes:

[Angus]

Losta you need to travel
you have so much wrong data.


You are not a normal Yank.

Be careful Arista! I was infracted for daring to suggest that provincials have no perspective on issues or realistic opinions about the world around them. Apparently such an obvious truth is considered an insult.

[Zippy]

Why bother posting in a Serious Debates forum then? I suspect, in that case, that nothing you have to say is intended seriously or is of any import, and is just mere attention seeking BS:rolleyes:

Oh ffs lighten up. You really need to yank that stick out your ass.

I contribute to this forum plenty when I have an opinion. Doesn't mean I can't throw in the odd flippant remark. I certainly don't need your permission.

not my fault you're so anal you can't read an obvious joke!

[Angus]

Oh ffs lighten up. You really need to yank that stick out your ass.

I contribute to this forum plenty when I have an opinion. Doesn't mean I can't throw in the odd flippant remark. I certainly don't need your permission.

not my fault you're so anal you can't read an obvious joke!

And it's not my fault for mistaking a serious debates thread as one where people are going to debate seriously - except those of course out to get some attention with inappropriate flippancy.

[Zippy]

And it's not my fault for mistaking a serious debates thread as one where people are going to debate seriously - except those of course out to get some attention with inappropriate flippancy.

if anybody sucks up attention in this forum its definitely YOU!

and you need to sharpen your reading, comprehension and perception skills.

[Beso]

We have had things so good for so long we take it for granted and have become a spoilt nation that moans about the littlest thing.
Instead of being proud of what we have got brits seem to concentrate on any negative they can find. Compared to most countrys we have a hell of a lot to be proud of but dont seem to see it.
If we are so weak why does half the world want to live here?

because you are so weak:spin:

[Angus]

if anybody sucks up attention in this forum its definitely YOU!

and you need to sharpen your reading, comprehension and perception skills.

As I've told you before dear - if you don't like my posts stick me on ignore - VOILA job done.

My reading, comprehension and perception skills have served me well throughout my life - I have both BSc(Hons) and BA(Hons) degrees in Sociology and Psychology respectively; several assorted diplomas in Health and Social Welfare; a PGCE, an ILEX qualification and I speak several languages as well as having a more than respectable grasp of my own mother tongue. I can confidently assert that my qualifications are probably far superior to your own!

It is you, dear Zippo, who needs to attend to your own lack of education before throwing insults around about others.

[lostalex]

The BBC is not funded by the government.

Remind me again who collects the license fees then? remind me again who enforces the license fee? Enlighten me.

[Shasown]

Remind me again who collects the license fees then? remind me again who enforces the license fee? Enlighten me.

No worries.

Its "licence".

Funny isnt it licence and licensing. Quirky eh?

[Beastie]

I like England. I am proud that I was born in England.

It obviously is a popular place, hence why it is now densley populated.

Some foreigners at work asked me ages ago to name things what I like about the UK/England. They said they can name like 50 things..

One foreigner at work has kept goading on at me.. saying.. "I am not English". << Mmm can't really call this racist. It is kind of like reverse racism. He is being annoying now. 3 days in a row at work he has said to me I am not English. :S

[Angus]

I like England. I am proud that I was born in England.

It obviously is a popular place, hence why it is now densley populated.

Some foreigners at work asked me ages ago to name things what I like about the UK/England. They said they can name like 50 things..

One foreigner at work has kept goading on at me.. saying.. "I am not English". << Mmm can't really call this racist. It is kind of like reverse racism. He is being annoying now. 3 days in a row at work he has said to me I am not English. :S

The fact he is making a comment about your racial origin is racist by the definitions of the Race Relations Act, since the comment is designed to upset and harrass you. - report him.

[Beastie]

The fact he is making a comment about your racial origin is racist by the definitions of the Race Relations Act, since the comment is designed to upset and harrass you. - report him.

Mmm I might do. But then I fear it could get twisted around. Make more harm than good for myself. I am just going to ignore him.

[Angus]

Mmm I might do. But then I fear it could get twisted around. Make more harm than good for myself. I am just going to ignore him.

I do see your point, but personally I would report him simply because it is too often assumed that racism is a one way street, and that view should be challenged sometimes. Good luck.

[MTVN]

Course it's not racist to say "I am not English", dont be so ridiculous

[Beastie]

I do see your point, but personally I would report him simply because it is too often assumed that racism is a one way street, and that view should be challenged sometimes. Good luck.

Thanks Angus :)

[Beastie]

Course it's not racist to say "I am not English", dont be so ridiculous

Noo someone said to me that I am not English.

[MTVN]

Noo someone said to me that I am not English.

Oh right, well why were they saying that? :conf2:

[Zippy]

Noo someone said to me that I am not English.

well thats not racist either

just stupid

assuming you are English...

[Angus]

Race Relations Act 1976

[F4] 3A Harassment

(1)A person subjects another to harassment in any circumstances relevant for the purposes of any provision referred to in section 1(1B) where, on grounds of race or ethnic or national origins, he engages in unwanted conduct which has the purpose or effect of—.
(a)violating that other person’s dignity, or.
(b)creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for him..
(2)Conduct shall be regarded as having the effect specified in paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1) only if, having regard to all the circumstances, including in particular the perception of that other person, it should reasonably be considered as having that effect.].

Beastie this is the relevant section of the Act (which I think was amended and included in 2000) if you decide to report this guy.

[Rob]

i think we are far from being a weak nation

[Liberty4eva]

While travelling I came across many people from other countries and many of who said that England was a weak nation as we are cowardly, let other nations walk all over us, cannot stand up for ourselves and that we are generally a laughable nation.

Do you agree with this?

Relative to previous centuries, 21st century England absolutely is a weak nation. But this is a trend for all western nations and England could easily rectify it by doing the following:

Immediately secede from the EU. Tell the illegals to get back on the banana boats they came from or be forcibly removed. Stop incorporating Sharia Law into judicial decisions.

And for extra credit, consider doing the following: Allow citizens to own firearms. Ban gay marriage. Bring back the death penalty.

[MTVN]

Relative to previous centuries, 21st century England absolutely is a weak nation. But this is a trend for all western nations and England could easily rectify it by doing the following:

Immediately secede from the EU. Tell the illegals to get back on the banana boats they came from or be forcibly removed. Stop incorporating Sharia Law into judicial decisions.

And for extra credit, consider doing the following: Allow citizens to own firearms. Ban gay marriage. Bring back the death penalty.

Not really living up to your username there are you?

[Liberty4eva]

Not really living up to your username there are you?

Explain how I am not living up to it.

[MTVN]

Explain how I am not living up to it.

Banning gay marriage, and taking someone's life, doesnt seem the normal viewpoint of a believer in liberty and the freedom of the individual. What ever gave you the right to take the life of someone else, or tell them they're sexual practices are wrong and not deserving of marriage?

I suppose you're also against abortion?

[Liberty4eva]

Banning gay marriage, and taking someone's life, doesnt seem the normal viewpoint of a believer in liberty and the freedom of the individual. What ever gave you the right to take the life of someone else, or tell them they're sexual practices are wrong and not deserving of marriage?

I was giving a list of things England could do to alter people's perception. It doesn't necessarily mean I whole-heartedly believe in them. To be honest I don't think England should really care what other people think of them. If we're gonna make this about what I believe then let me say that I don't think government should be involved in marriage one way or the other. It's a religious instrument and, in my ideal world, the state should stay out of it altogether. I generally am against the death penalty but would be hard-pressed to say that it should never be considered or on the table.

[MTVN]

I was giving a list of things England could do to alter people's perception. It doesn't necessarily mean I whole-heartedly believe in them. To be honest I don't think England should really care what other people think of them. If we're gonna make this about what I believe then let me say that I don't think government should be involved in marriage one way or the other. It's a religious instrument and, in my ideal world, the state should stay out of it altogether. I generally am against the death penalty but would be hard-pressed to say that it should never be considered or on the table.

Ok fair enough then, I agree with most of that, ignore my edit on the other post :p

[Liberty4eva]

I suppose you're also against abortion?

Absolutely I'm against abortion. Absolutely, 100%, against it. And holding that position does not contradict my username at all because the life and liberty of a baby is of greater importance than a few months of bodily freedom of a woman who got drunk and stupid one night. She can always adopt, ya know.

[MTVN]

Absolutely I'm against abortion. Absolutely, 100%, against it. And holding that position does not contradict my username at all because the life and liberty of a baby is of greater importance than a few months of bodily freedom of a woman who got drunk and stupid one night. She can always adopt, ya know.

Hmm it's a difficult issue but I'm in the pro-choice camp. Due to the contentiousness of the issue I think it best not to have a certain view to be imposed one way or the other, and it should be left to the individual to make their own personal decision

[Benjamin]

Hmm it's a difficult issue but I'm in the pro-choice camp. Due to the contentiousness of the issue I think it best not to have a certain view to be imposed one way or the other, and it should be left to the individual to make their own personal decision

I just started a thread on abortion, it's an interesting, if not sensitive, subject.

[Shasown]

Relative to previous centuries, 21st century England absolutely is a weak nation. But this is a trend for all western nations and England could easily rectify it by doing the following:

Immediately secede from the EU. Tell the illegals to get back on the banana boats they came from or be forcibly removed. Stop incorporating Sharia Law into judicial decisions.

And for extra credit, consider doing the following: Allow citizens to own firearms. Ban gay marriage. Bring back the death penalty.

We couldnt just secede from the EU the economic costs to the country would cripple us. There isnt many turn up on banana boats ( thats quite a racist term you realise in that context), we do forcibly repatriate illegal entrants though not enough. Which Judicial decisions have incorporated Sharia Law?

Citizens dont need the right to bear arms etc they often get into enough troubles themselves without the added bonus of firearms. Bring back the death penalty? Oh right because it really does deter murders etc as we can see from US crime rates. Isnt the death penalty also prescribed in Sharia Law?

[Pyramid*]

Relative to previous centuries, 21st century England absolutely is a weak nation. But this is a trend for all western nations and England could easily rectify it by doing the following:

Immediately secede from the EU. Tell the illegals to get back on the banana boats they came from or be forcibly removed. Stop incorporating Sharia Law into judicial decisions.

And for extra credit, consider doing the following: Allow citizens to own firearms. Ban gay marriage. Bring back the death penalty.


Christ. It's a long while since i've read such an obviously bigoted and racist comment. Liberty? You clearly have no idea what the word means.

Your post is hypocritical -clearly you are either being deliberately posting in a trolling like manner for the reaction - or have no idea what you are talking about.

[Liberty4eva]

We couldnt just secede from the EU the economic costs to the country would cripple us.

Absolutely you can secede from the EU. There were American colonists who thought America couldn't secede from the British Empire because of economic reasons like trade. But if you look at the statistics, if anything, trade ties grew stronger after the war. The sooner you get out of the EU, the better.

There isnt many turn up on banana boats ( thats quite a racist term you realise in that context), we do forcibly repatriate illegal entrants though not enough.

One reason people perceive you as weak is because many of you are hyper-sensitive to statements that allegedly could be racist or politically incorrect. There are few things in this world I dislike more than the rampant and suffocating political correctness environment where every comment people make that could be remotely perceived as racist is assumed to be racist until shown otherwise. Personally, I'd love it if the British government said get back on the banana boats not to be mean or racist but to show, in no uncertain terms, that they're not going to let asylum seekers walk all over them anymore.

Which Judicial decisions have incorporated Sharia Law??

Do a google search. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=britain+sharia+law&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1g-v2g-b3&aql=&oq=)

[Pyramid*]

Absolutely you can secede from the EU. There were American colonists who thought America couldn't secede from the British Empire because of economic reasons like trade. But if you look at the statistics, if anything, trade ties grew stronger after the war. The sooner you get out of the EU, the better.



One reason people perceive you as weak is because many of you are hyper-sensitive to statements that allegedly could be racist or politically incorrect. There are few things in this world I dislike more than the rampant and suffocating political correctness environment where every comment people make that could be remotely perceived as racist is assumed to be racist until shown otherwise. Personally, I'd love it if the British government said get back on the banana boats not to be mean or racist but to show, in no uncertain terms, that they're not going to let asylum seekers walk all over them anymore.



Do a google search. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=britain+sharia+law&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1g-v2g-b3&aql=&oq=)

I'd like you to explain something. Take a Russia asylum seeker as an example - how does your terminology 'ge back on the banana boats' apply to them. Please...... explain that. Far as I'm aware, no banana boats ever came in from Russia????

so please, tell me how that is not a racist comment?

[karezza]

"Men of England, heirs of Glory,
Heroes of unwritten story,
Nurslings of one mighty Mother,
Hopes of her, and one another;
Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you-
Ye are many — they are few"

Percy Shelley

[Liberty4eva]

I'd like you to explain something. Take a Russia asylum seeker as an example - how does your terminology 'ge back on the banana boats' apply to them. Please...... explain that. Far as I'm aware, no banana boats ever came in from Russia????

so please, tell me how that is not a racist comment?

I don't think I need to tell you how that is not a racist comment because last time I checked bananas have nothing inherently to do with race. And if you think bananas have something to do with race, then perhaps you are the racist here. And for Russian asylum seekers you could come up with some other phrase to use but considering there are probably few Russian asylum seekers I'm not sure it would be worth it.

[Zippy]

I don't think I need to tell you how that is not a racist comment because last time I checked bananas have nothing inherently to do with race. And if you think bananas have something to do with race, then perhaps you are the racist here.

Hahaha

you got her there!

yeah I think she is

[MTVN]

On what grounds would a Russian be granted asylum? That cant be very common

['Conor]

in reply to *let nations walk all over us*

ehm how you invaded like half the world at one point?

[Shasown]

in reply to *let nations walk all over us*

ehm how you invaded like half the world at one point?

I think the word should be we, after all Ireland was part of the United Kingdom and men from all over Ireland willingly took the King's/Queen's shilling. In fact some still do. At various points in history but especially during the Victorian era over 60% of the British Army was composed of Irishmen.

Some very prominent Irishmen were appointed colonial government positions and also held responsible positions in companies like the East India Company

Irishmen played a key role in the British conquest and administration of India. The Irish contribution to the making of the British Empire in India took many forms, including viceroys such as the Anglo-Irish aristocrats Lord Mayo and Lord Dufferin. In the late nineteenth century, as much as one quarter of the Indian Civil Service (ICS) was made up of Irishmen, including prominent colonial administrators such as Sir Michael O’Dwyer, the controversial lieutenant governor of the Punjab during the Amritsar massacre of 1919. In addition, Irishmen made up a large part of British military forces in India; in the mid-nineteenth century, as many as forty per cent of the East India Company’s soldiers were Irish. Finally, Irishmen played an important role in the Indian police, a service with neither the prestige of the ICS or the glamour of the Indian army, but one that in the twentieth century was of tremendous importance in the maintenance of British rule in India.
http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume8/issue4/features/?id=242

['Conor]

I think the word should be we, after all Ireland was part of the United Kingdom and men from all over Ireland willingly took the Queens shilling. (At various points in history but especially during the Victorian era over 60% of the British Army was composed of Irishmen.)

Some very prominent Irishmen were appointed colonial government positions and also held responsible positions in companies like the East India Company

ehm ireland was part of the united kingdom because you invaded us in the 1st place :joker:

[Shasown]

ehm ireland was part of the united kingdom because you invaded us in the 1st place :joker:

I didnt invade Ireland nn.

The Normans did if you want the truth. But then again why let the facts stand in the way of your truth.