Stinking of Fags is Vile (shops to display Fags in plain white packs)

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/08/article-0-0D80EB43000005DC-215_634x581.jpg

Old Tim having a go at Jason.

Jason has said he teeth not cleaned and stinking of fags
was to much ,that close.


Smokers need to be banned more.
That is Logical.

[Shasown]

Smokers need to be banned more.
That is Logical.

Oh do be serious.

This is serious debates section.

[arista]

Oh do be serious.

This is serious debates section.


And because Smaller Shops will have to change there
overhead signs
a better date for change on small shops is 2015.



Big tobacco counter cover-up: Cigarette displays to be banned in shops from next April

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1364453/Government-bans-cigarette-displays-shops-April.html#ixzz1G710bJhu

[Glenn.]

Is this thread a piss-take?

[arista]

Is this thread a piss-take?


No as this new plan
means Shops will only have fags
in plain white packs
no colors

[Iceman]

So where will the 11 Billion youre getting come from if you ban smokes?

[Shaun]

I'd rather ban the holier-than-thou, miserable anti-smoking arses.

[arista]

So where will the 11 Billion youre getting come from if you ban smokes?


No they will be OK to smoke
but not in public places.


So there will be a open area
just for the Stinking Rotten Smokers
Like on a Big Roundabout
which has underground tunnels to get to.


Logical.


And Funky Shaun
Anti Smokers are Fun,
so long as the Stench from your lung does not get near us.

[InOne]

It's an awful idea. Hate all this health madness, it's stupid. If people want to smoke let them smoke. Should be brought back in pubs too.

[Angus]

I gave up smoking over 20 years ago because my son was asthmatic, and I was diagnosed with asthma myself 6 years ago. However, I think it should be an individual's personal choice to smoke so long as they do not pollute the airspace of another person. Therefore it is right and proper that there should be public no smoking areas, so long as smoking areas are also provided. No-one is allowed to smoke in my home, simply because I am asthmatic and the smoke triggers off an attack. I would expect smokers to respect the fact that non smokers find their smoke invasive and potentially harmful. That doesn't mean I would welcome or support a blanket ban.

It is hypocritical for the anti smoking brigade to bang on about how much smokers cost the NHS in view of the fact that the amount of duty they pay on tobacco and cigarettes is probably what is funding it in the first place!

[arista]

I gave up smoking over 20 years ago because my son was asthmatic, and I was diagnosed with asthma myself 6 years ago. However, I think it should be an individual's personal choice to smoke so long as they do not pollute the airspace of another person. Therefore it is right and proper that there should be public no smoking areas, so long as smoking areas are also provided. No-one is allowed to smoke in my home, simply because I am asthmatic and the smoke triggers off an attack. I would expect smokers to respect the fact that non smokers find their smoke invasive and potentially harmful. That doesn't mean I would welcome or support a blanket ban.

It is hypocritical for the anti smoking brigade to bang on about how much smokers cost the NHS in view of the fact that the amount of duty they pay on tobacco and cigarettes is probably what is funding it in the first place!


But these Stinking Cocky Lads Fecking do
if you ask them in a polite way - they want to know if I want a Fight.


Fecking Smokers can be Evil.



Ban in Public Places will be the Future.

[arista]

It's an awful idea. Hate all this health madness, it's stupid. If people want to smoke let them smoke. Should be brought back in pubs too.


No
to many Die from this.



Its the Future


Deal With It.

[Angus]

But these Stinking Cocky Lads Fecking do
if you ask them in a polite way - they want to know if I want a Fight.


Fecking Smokers can be Evil.



Ban in Public Places will be the Future.


I agree that the selfish, inconsiderate smokers are a pain in the a*se. As I said they need to respect the rights of non smokers NOT to have to breathe in their second hand smoke, then they might get more sympathy and support for their right to smoke themselves to death if they wish.

What I can't abide is the fascist anti smoking brigade who just want to impose a blanket ban on ALL smokers, which I think is wrong. If there is one right we do all actually have, then it's the right to do what we want with our own bodies, the only thing we truly own and that belongs to us alone.

[joeysteele]

I have never smoked but don't mind when people do,there are lots of things that can cause people to become ill, too much alcohol, not eating enough,eating too much and other things.

If the smokers who get treated like near lepers were all to stop smoking the Govt would have massive problems and a great big hole in its treasury coffers too.
It would need to get the revenue from other taxes, then the non smokers would be wishing the smokers were still around.

Live and let live, if people wnat to smoke let them, I have never objected to people smoking, I have friends who do and others who don'tand I am happy in the company of either.

[arista]

I agree that the selfish, inconsiderate smokers are a pain in the a*se. As I said they need to respect the rights of non smokers NOT to have to breathe in their second hand smoke, then they might get more sympathy and support for their right to smoke themselves to death if they wish.

What I can't abide is the fascist anti smoking brigade who just want to impose a blanket ban on ALL smokers, which I think is wrong. If there is one right we do all actually have, then it's the right to do what we want with our own bodies, the only thing we truly own and that belongs to us alone.


Yes but these Cocky Lads
respect very little.

Second Hand smoke over a long time is Deadly.


"fascist anti smoking brigade"
Yes they can be over the top.
Leave it to the people in charge of our Nation.

[arista]

I have never smoked but don't mind when people do,there are lots of things that can cause people to become ill, too much alcohol, not eating enough,eating too much and other things.

If the smokers who get treated like near lepers were all to stop smoking the Govt would have massive problems and a great big hole in its treasury coffers too.
It would need to get the revenue from other taxes, then the non smokers would be wishing the smokers were still around.

Live and let live, if people wnat to smoke let them, I have never objected to people smoking, I have friends who do and others who don'tand I am happy in the company of either.


Sure
But not in my Face.

[Angus]

I have never smoked but don't mind when people do,there are lots of things that can cause people to become ill, too much alcohol, not eating enough,eating too much and other things.

If the smokers who get treated like near lepers were all to stop smoking the Govt would have massive problems and a great big hole in its treasury coffers too.
It would need to get the revenue from other taxes, then the non smokers would be wishing the smokers were still around.

Live and let live, if people wnat to smoke let them, I have never objected to people smoking, I have friends who do and others who don'tand I am happy in the company of either.

I'm with you, but it doesn't take much to be considerate to those that don't smoke bearing in mind some people have life threatening conditions which are aggravated by breathing in other people's smoke.

Years ago when I used to smoke, I was always considerate towards others - it's just common courtesy and respect. It's one thing to pollute your own lungs but another to pollute a non smoker's airspace.

[Jayson]

I don't see how plain white packs will make people want to smoke less. It's not as if the only reason kids smoke is because of pretty colours on the boxes.

[InOne]

I also heard they won't be behind the counter as well or something now :S

[arista]

I don't see how plain white packs will make people want to smoke less. It's not as if the only reason kids smoke is because of pretty colours on the boxes.


Its to do with the Young
those well thought out sexy color streams get them in.

[arista]

I also heard they won't be behind the counter as well or something now :S


No
Small shops may have them under the counter.

[Iceman]

I also heard they won't be behind the counter as well or something now :S

They'll just put them behind a machine, like what we have here.... it makes no difference....

[arista]

They'll just put them behind a machine, like what we have here.... it makes no difference....


Yes InOne can kill himself in pain
with deadly Smoke



Give it Up

[Ramsay]

white boxes?!!
aw i gotta stop now if its a WHITE BOX

[arista]

white boxes?!!
aw i gotta stop now if its a WHITE BOX


Yes No Color
all plain white packs.


Not Sexy.

[Ramsay]

i dont think smoking was sexy in the first place :joker:

[Stephanie]

i smoke because i like the blue colour of mayfair boxes, and i like the font used.

[arista]

i smoke because i like the blue colour of mayfair boxes, and i like the font used.


Yes thats Why sexy color /sexy design is going


You will have a White Box of fags
like everyone will have

[arista]

i dont think smoking was sexy in the first place :joker:


Sure
but girls do.

[arista]

On Ch4News Now


Of course the bloke from the Traders
says young people do not impulse buy.


But he is Wrong & Stupid as
Girls interviewed
who just pointed out "its Sexy , I can do it
I do not need a man to show me"


300,000 Teens take up smoking, each year
so InOne
these new ways are to save younger
folks than you.

[MTVN]

Terrible idea, I doubt it will even be that effective but that's not even the point. The government should stop thinking it's their job to protect people from themselves, people should have the right to choose to smoke if they so wish, trying to hide cigarettes away in the desperate hope that it will make people give up or not start is a stupid idea.

Where do they draw the line as well? What about alcohol? Causes a lot more violence, leads to a lot of deaths and illness as well, why dont they hide that below the counter. Or even chocolates? Obesity is a big health problem as well, shouldnt they be hidden so that fat people can resist temptation

[joeysteele]

I'm with you, but it doesn't take much to be considerate to those that don't smoke bearing in mind some people have life threatening conditions which are aggravated by breathing in other people's smoke.

Years ago when I used to smoke, I was always considerate towards others - it's just common courtesy and respect. It's one thing to pollute your own lungs but another to pollute a non smoker's airspace.

I agree angus58, a bit of courtesy and rspect,(ideally both ways) solves the problem.

[joeysteele]

Terrible idea, I doubt it will even be that effective but that's not even the point. The government should stop thinking it's their job to protect people from themselves, people should have the right to choose to smoke if they so wish, trying to hide cigarettes away in the desperate hope that it will make people give up or not start is a stupid idea.

Where do they draw the line as well? What about alcohol? Causes a lot more violence, leads to a lot of deaths and illness as well, why dont they hide that below the counter. Or even chocolates? Obesity is a big health problem as well, shouldnt they be hidden so that fat people can resist temptation

3 massive cheers for this post, well said MTVN.

[arista]

Terrible idea, I doubt it will even be that effective but that's not even the point. The government should stop thinking it's their job to protect people from themselves, people should have the right to choose to smoke if they so wish, trying to hide cigarettes away in the desperate hope that it will make people give up or not start is a stupid idea.

Where do they draw the line as well? What about alcohol? Causes a lot more violence, leads to a lot of deaths and illness as well, why dont they hide that below the counter. Or even chocolates? Obesity is a big health problem as well, shouldnt they be hidden so that fat people can resist temptation


Fat people is a problem yes - but not like Fags.


And Even on this Thread a Charming Lady has posted
how she wants her Color Design packs.


They are Drawing Lines to save life.

And all Political people agree
except UKIP.

[Benjamin]

How is making the packets all white going to change anything? If they are that bothered by smoking then they should just ban it full stop, but they won't as they will lose too much revenue that smokers bring.

And as for pollution, what about the pollution from all the cars/vehicles etc. :bored:

[arista]

How is making the packets all white going to change anything? If they are that bothered by smoking then they should just ban it full stop, but they won't as they will lose too much revenue that smokers bring.

And as for pollution, what about the pollution from all the cars/vehicles etc. :bored:



It will
as many Young Girls Smoke due to Ultra Sexy Design Color packs.

Shame you did not see the report on Ch4News tonight.

[Shasown]

How is making the packets all white going to change anything? If they are that bothered by smoking then they should just ban it full stop, but they won't as they will lose too much revenue that smokers bring.

And as for pollution, what about the pollution from all the cars/vehicles etc. :bored:

Its quite a cunning plan by the government. It means cigarette manufacturers dont need to use high grade cardboard for the boxes to take inks etc.

They will be able to pick up the cheap job lots of recycled cardboard that cereal manufacturers are now discarding.

The mineral oils that caused the cereal makers to stop using recycled stuff will then leach into the tobacco, killing off the smokers quicker.

Less smokers will mean it will appear to the general public that the government have finally got the message across that smoking kills.

And no one in the cardboard industry looses jobs. For the foreseeable future by which time the cardboard and tobacco workers take up the dead smokers jobs.

[Jords]

Dont see the point, it wont make people want to stop and it wont stop those who intend to start.

Let people smoke if they want to, thats what I say!

[arista]

Dont see the point, it wont make people want to stop and it wont stop those who intend to start.

Let people smoke if they want to, thats what I say!



Sure as long as they do not Smoke
in No Smoking places or in kids places

[InOne]

They should focus more money and time with helping people who are addicted to hard drugs. Not this silly smoking stuff

[Iceman]

white boxes?!!
aw i gotta stop now if its a WHITE BOX

So gonna start making my own smoke boxes.... anyway I have my JPB tin from Oxegen last year = WIN

[Ramsay]

So gonna start making my own smoke boxes.... anyway I have my JPB tin from Oxegen last year = WIN

linda still has hers too :joker:
WINNING!

[Ramsay]

are oxegen the only place that sells those tins i can never find them anywhere else

[Iceman]

are oxegen the only place that sells those tins i can never find them anywhere else

eh they had them in the shops a few years ago but only Oxegen do them now as far as I know..... I have 3 :D

[Benjamin]

It will
as many Young Girls Smoke due to Ultra Sexy Design Color packs.

Shame you did not see the report on Ch4News tonight.

-Imagines young girls glitzing up their packets with glittery moon and heart stickers-


-Goes into the sticker business-

:hugesmile:

[Kerry]

I also heard they won't be behind the counter as well or something now :S

Yeah from 2015 cigarettes can't be seen in shops anymore and (from what I've gathered) have to be sold from a hatch. Only prices can be shown instore

Silly. Even as a non-smoker I see this as pathetic

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/09/article-1364527-0D89FBB6000005DC-888_634x779.jpg
Yesterday was No Smoking Day
and Kate Moss the Utter Trouble Maker
marches out with her stinking fag in her gob.
She is one Stinker that gets younger girls smoking
and feeling Sexy.

They used to have ads back in 1968
that showed women being more Free as they smoked.
In 1969 they were banned.


Kate Moss Rear
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/09/article-1364527-0D8A71E0000005DC-439_306x549.jpg

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Dont see what making the packet white will do, people smoke because of the tatse, not because they think the packet colour is cool.

Young people smoke to look hard/be social accepted by the so called "cool" kids. It wont make a difference with young children.

[arista]

Dont see what making the packet white will do, people smoke because of the tatse, not because they think the packet colour is cool.

Young people smoke to look hard/be social accepted by the so called "cool" kids. It wont make a difference with young children.



It will with Younger Girls
who smoke more than boys now.


Branding is Power.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

It will with Younger Girls
who smoke more than boys now.


Branding is Power.

Well I saw yesterday that young women looking for jobs will be hit hard the worst... so they wont have enough money to spend on fags anymore :p

[Angus]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/09/article-1364527-0D89FBB6000005DC-888_634x779.jpg
Yesterday was No Smoking Day
and Kate Moss the Utter Trouble Maker
marches out with her stinking fag in her gob.
She is one Stinker that gets younger girls smoking
and feeling Sexy.

They used to have ads back in 1968
that showed women being more Free as they smoked.
In 1969 they were banned.


Kate Moss Rearhttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/09/article-1364527-0D8A71E0000005DC-439_306x549.jpg

Saggy cellulite - not a good look especially in her profession. It's well known that smoking ages the skin.

[Stephanie]

pimpyourfagbox.com

snm.

[Pyramid*]

Saggy cellulite - not a good look especially in her profession. It's well known that smoking ages the skin.

I'd say that her fags, her penchance for all sorts of drugs, her heavy partying and utterly hedonistic lifestyle all combined might have a lot to do with the nick she's in than just fags.

I'm a good bit older and though the wrinkles are showing due to the fags, and far too much sun worshipping (and major sunbed sessions for years!!), I still look a damn sight better, facially and in my body than this supposed supermodel. My teeth are also nice and straight - unlike the wonkey set of gnashers Miss Moss has.

how the feck she ever made it as an International model, I will never know. She is as skanky looking as they come.

(You can I adore her eh!!!........ seriously though, compare her to Elle McPherson, Cindy Crawford etc..... much older supermodel who could wipe the floor with Moss on all counts).

As far as the thread goes: if the government really give a damn - they would BAN cigarettes and tobacco. They won't ever do that because they pull in FAR too much money via tax on said items to ever contemplate making it illegal.

Far as I'm concerned, they are pretending to be doing something - when the fact of the matter remains: it's all smoke and mirrors. they cannot do without the massive financial injection that smokers contribute to the economy. What is spent on health care is clawed back by the fact that smokers die far earlier: saving on pensions, further health care, social services care etc.

[patsylimerick]

I'd say that her fags, her penchance for all sorts of drugs, her heavy partying and utterly hedonistic lifestyle all combined might have a lot to do with the nick she's in than just fags.

I'm a good bit older and though the wrinkles are showing due to the fags, and far too much sun worshipping (and major sunbed sessions for years!!), I still look a damn sight better, facially and in my body than this supposed supermodel. My teeth are also nice and straight - unlike the wonkey set of gnashers Miss Moss has.

how the feck she ever made it as an International model, I will never know. She is as skanky looking as they come.

(You can I adore her eh!!!........ seriously though, compare her to Elle McPherson, Cindy Crawford etc..... much older supermodel who could wipe the floor with Moss on all counts).

As far as the thread goes: if the government really give a damn - they would BAN cigarettes and tobacco. They won't ever do that because they pull in FAR too much money via tax on said items to ever contemplate making it illegal.

Far as I'm concerned, they are pretending to be doing something - when the fact of the matter remains: it's all smoke and mirrors. they cannot do without the massive financial injection that smokers contribute to the economy. What is spent on health care is clawed back by the fact that smokers die far earlier: saving on pensions, further health care, social services care etc.


You beat me to it :hugesmile: Studies have shown that smokers cost a lot less, in actual fact. They tend to die quite young.
Also, there's a lot of talk in this thread about young women smoking because they think it's cool. Young women smoke because it suppresses their appetite and keeps them thin.

[Jayson]

It's not as if fag boxes are beautifully coloured, either. Blue, silver and red are the only colours you see on fag counters.

[Pyramid*]

It's not as if fag boxes are beautifully coloured, either. Blue, silver and red are the only colours you see on fag counters.

You forgot about Gold, (B&H) Black (JPS) Green (Mayfair Menthol) ;) - the colour variety of packaging is quite broad.

Putting pictures of damaged lungs, rotting teeth, tumours on fag packets didn't make much difference...... I for one used to look at the ones with the rotting teeth - usually with the subject looking like some very impoverished soul - who probably couldn't have afforded any basic health care, never mind dental care. so the pictures always seemed misleading - they always seemed to show people who clearly had no money, or access to regular health / dental facilities.

People will smoke if they want to smoke, it really is as simply as that - and the goverenment know this all too well. It suits our ~Government to allow that to continue - whilst they pretend to want smokers to stop. All they are doing is 'seemingly' taking some action. - when in reality - the economy simply could not afford to lose the revenue from extortionately taxed cigarettes and tobacco. That's the truth.

[InOne]

All the goverment are doing is making people buy knock off cigs and bacci

[Pyramid*]

All the goverment are doing is making people buy knock off cigs and bacci


My twice a year holidays are the reason for me going abroad - with the main reason for my 6monthly supply of cheap tobacco - and the money I save (if I'd be buying here), pays for holiday to boot. !!!

I was reading somewhere recently that Belgium is stopping stocking many British tobaccos (and some cigs too) - that Amberleaf, and I think Mayfair fags are hard as hell to get now - for that very reason - because Brits are going over there to stock up, and are losing billions in revenue. There's a big kick up over it far as I understand.

[Angus]

You forgot about Gold, (B&H) Black (JPS) Green (Mayfair Menthol) ;) - the colour variety of packaging is quite broad.

Putting pictures of damaged lungs, rotting teeth, tumours on fag packets didn't make much difference...... I for one used to look at the ones with the rotting teeth - usually with the subject looking like some very impoverished soul - who probably couldn't have afforded any basic health care, never mind dental care. so the pictures always seemed misleading - they always seemed to show people who clearly had no money, or access to regular health / dental facilities.

People will smoke if they want to smoke, it really is as simply as that - and the goverenment know this all too well. It suits our ~Government to allow that to continue - whilst they pretend to want smokers to stop. All they are doing is 'seemingly' taking some action. - when in reality - the economy simply could not afford to lose the revenue from extortionately taxed cigarettes and tobacco. That's the truth.

It's been a cynical ploy by every government in the last 40 odd years; increasing the taxes on cigarettes and tobacco to supposedly deter smoking, whilst conveniently inflating the coffers of the Treasury. The economy would probably have been in even more dire straits without the contribution of the smokers. When I was still smoking 20 years ago, price rises and pictures of diseased lungs weren't enough to put me off - it took a personal decision based on not damaging my children's health to motivate me into stopping - it was one thing to damage my own lungs but quite another to be responsible for damaging my children's lungs.

Leave smokers be so long as they don't inflict their smoke on others. They should at least be provided with smoking areas.

[Vicky.]

Terrible idea, I doubt it will even be that effective but that's not even the point. The government should stop thinking it's their job to protect people from themselves, people should have the right to choose to smoke if they so wish, trying to hide cigarettes away in the desperate hope that it will make people give up or not start is a stupid idea.


This isnt what they are doing though. They dont actually want people to stop. They would be fecked, moneywise.

They just need to appear to be doing stuff to make people stop. Afterall, surely if they were that concerned about peoples health, they would just stop selling cigarettes/tobacco all together.

Nah, they just have to LOOK like they are concerned, whilst hoping that the changes wont deter anyone.

[arista]

It's not as if fag boxes are beautifully coloured, either. Blue, silver and red are the only colours you see on fag counters.


You are Wrong Jay
the design hooks younger girls before they are legal to smoke.

That is a Problem.

[Judas]

They just need to appear to be doing stuff to make people stop. Afterall, surely if they were that concerned about peoples health, they would just stop selling cigarettes/tobacco all together.


Loads of people seem to support this conspiracy, and I understand why. Smoking DOES make the government money but I really do think they want to cut the smoking rate - else why would they spend billions on schemes to try and cut the rates. In a way the government have some kind of stable income from cigarettes, so it makes a certain percent of revenue. As more people quit, the tax goes up. Simple. I personally think they want a low smoking rate so we appear better in all of the global health indexes.

I smoke/d so I am not of those people saying this just to be against smoking.

[Shasown]

Loads of people seem to support this conspiracy, and I understand why. Smoking DOES make the government money but I really do think they want to cut the smoking rate - else why would they spend billions on schemes to try and cut the rates. In a way the government have some kind of stable income from cigarettes, so it makes a certain percent of revenue. As more people quit, the tax goes up. Simple. I personally think they want a low smoking rate so we appear better in all of the global health indexes.

I smoke/d so I am not of those people saying this just to be against smoking.

Its dead simple to answer that one, they invest money in advertising etc, so that they are seen to be doing something.

Otherwise one day in the future some smoker who is slowly dying of some smoking related disease/illness could take the government to court and say, "how come you never informed us/banned smoking?".

The way that past governments have imposed controls on not only smoking but other health related issues (COSHH, Sale of foods etc) negates the possibility of being sued for taking taxes through tobacco while at the same time not bothering about the health of smokers.

[MTVN]

The advert above this thread is promoting a smokers dating service lol :laugh:

[Pyramid*]

The advert above this thread is promoting a smokers dating service lol :laugh:

pmsl. Actually quite a nifty name.... Smokers match.com !!! Brilliant:hugesmile: