Do people from Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland think they are oppressed by England?

[Liberty4eva]

Just wondering.

[karezza]

I think England is the oppressed one.

[arista]

I think England is the oppressed one.


Fair Point

[Livia]

England pays more for the upkeep of Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales. For now anyway... I think England is getting sick of being the one footing the bill. And considering there are more than five times as many people in England as there are in the other three countries, eventually votes will count.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish/irish/Welsh people feel sorry for English people as they have no identity, no national pride and are hated the world over

[Lee.]

Scottish/irish/Welsh people feel sorry for English people as they have no identity, no national pride and are hated the world over

:laugh2:

Dont hold back now LT.. Just say what you feel!

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh2:

Dont hold back now LT.. Just say what you feel!

I was trying to be tactful as I know that English people have very low self esteem:bawling:

[Livia]

We're a bit like Millwall - everybody hates us and we don't care.

Hey LT... long time no see.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We're a bit like Millwall - everybody hates us and we don't care.

Hey LT... long time no see.

or violent and mid table at best

hello L:blush:

[Livia]

or violent and mid table at best

hello L:blush:


I'm going to have the good grace not to speak of Scotland and Football in the same breath.

Where have you been? I've been worried. I called the hospitals and everything.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm going to have the good grace not to speak of Scotland and Football in the same breath.

Where have you been? I've been worried. I called the hospitals and everything.

I dont go to traditional hospitals in case they alert the fuzz. I sew all my wounds my self

[Livia]

I dont go to traditional hospitals in case they alert the fuzz. I sew all my wounds my self

LOL... nutter.

[Shasown]

I dont go to traditional hospitals in case they alert the fuzz. I sew all my wounds my self

You made a total mess of that one across your forehead from the self administered total lobotomy, it needs looking at mate.

[Zippy]

Scottish/irish/Welsh people feel sorry for English people as they have no identity, no national pride and are hated the world over

er, no we're not. Please get a clue.

but keep thinking that if it cheers you up

[Mystic Mock]

I think England is the oppressed one.

this,the governments always give all the best treatment to scotland.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this,the governments always give all the best treatment to scotland.

its because we are worth it




baby

[Lee.]

er, no we're not. Please get a clue.

but keep thinking that if it cheers you up

Sorry to contradict you, (and I'm not talking personally here) but the English are pretty much disliked everywhere.

Asa Scot I can tell you that foreigners change instantly towards you when they find out you are Scottis and not English.

It's maybe not right, and again, I personally have yet to meet an Englishperson whom I have disliked, but it is the truth I'm afraid

[Mystic Mock]

Sorry to contradict you, (and I'm not talking personally here) but the English are pretty much disliked everywhere.

Asa Scot I can tell you that foreigners change instantly towards you when they find out you are Scottis and not English.

It's maybe not right, and again, I personally have yet to meet an Englishperson whom I have disliked, but it is the truth I'm afraid

bloody hell if we are disliked by other countries,then the americans and germans better watch out.:joker:

[Livia]

Sorry to contradict you, (and I'm not talking personally here) but the English are pretty much disliked everywhere.

Asa Scot I can tell you that foreigners change instantly towards you when they find out you are Scottis and not English.

It's maybe not right, and again, I personally have yet to meet an Englishperson whom I have disliked, but it is the truth I'm afraid

And yet... I've travelled quite extensively, worked in several countries and I have made lifelong friends all over the world. Funny isn't it, people's perceptions. As a Scot, you perceive that everyone in the world dislikes the English (except you, obviously...) and yet my findings have been very different. The one place in the world where I felt threatened was Glasgow, funnily enough.

[MTVN]

And yet... I've travelled quite extensively, worked in several countries and I have made lifelong friends all over the world. Funny isn't it, people's perceptions. As a Scot, you perceive that everyone in the world dislikes the English (except you, obviously...) and yet my findings have been very different. The one place in the world where I felt threatened was Glasgow, funnily enough.

Yeah I agree, the vast majority of people I've come across have never held any bad feeling towards someone for being English

[Zippy]

Sorry to contradict you, (and I'm not talking personally here) but the English are pretty much disliked everywhere.

Asa Scot I can tell you that foreigners change instantly towards you when they find out you are Scottis and not English.

It's maybe not right, and again, I personally have yet to meet an Englishperson whom I have disliked, but it is the truth I'm afraid

your truth. your perception.

Ive travelled abroad many times and have never felt any hate. Certainly not in English speaking nations like US, Australia etc English people seem to be well liked.

I think in certain holiday resorts where the union jack wearing English go on mass there can be some negativity from the locals. But generally there is no open animosity when just travelling more low key.

I live surrounded by foreigners here and two of my best mates are from Brazil and Belgium. They love English people.

No, they are not conclusive proof of anything but neither are the foreigners youve encountered who apparently hate the English. And I doubt youve been everywhere either so you're certainly generalising.

[Lee.]

And yet... I've travelled quite extensively, worked in several countries and I have made lifelong friends all over the world. Funny isn't it, people's perceptions. As a Scot, you perceive that everyone in the world dislikes the English (except you, obviously...) and yet my findings have been very different. The one place in the world where I felt threatened was Glasgow, funnily enough.

I'm not saying every individual Englishperson is disliked.. but in general,as a nation, England isn't exacly the most popular country in the world.

My OH is English (he insists our children are half English, which I go along with for a qiet life, but insecret I tell them that they are only Scottish! :D)
Most of his immediate family and exrtended family are down south and I find them to be the warmest, friendliest and welcoming people I know, so Ido realise that it's not a dislike of individuals but of a nation..

[Novo]

They can all hate us but they all know deep down we are the greatest country that is why so many of them want to live here.

[Lee.]

They can all hate us but they all know deep down we are the greatest country that is why so many of them want to live here.

Don't be silly! You know where the greatest country is!

[MTVN]

I'm not saying every individual Englishperson is disliked.. but in general,as a nation, England isn't exacly the most popular country in the world.

My OH is English (he insists our children are half English, which I go along with for a qiet life, but insecret I tell them that they are only Scottish! :D)
Most of his immediate family and exrtended family are down south and I find them to be the warmest, friendliest and welcoming people I know, so Ido realise that it's not a dislike of individuals but of a nation..

Dont really see why they would dislike England and not Scotland, we're all the same nation after all.

[Niamh.]

OMG today is pick on a different nationality day :/

[Lee.]

Dont really see why they would dislike England and not Scotland, we're all the same nation after all.

Two different countries

[Lee.]

OMG today is pick on a different nationality day :/

Hahah.. seems to be! Will we move on to the Hot Guy thread or summat?

[Zippy]

The only reason there isnt any historical resentment towards countries like Scotland is because you are a small non threatening country that has never had the power to piss off other countries. Or build an empire by colonising a third of the world.

you are the small embattled underdog country. Everybody likes underdogs.

[Niamh.]

Hahah.. seems to be! Will we move on to the Hot Guy thread or summat?

oh yes, we should find beautiful men from all nationalities and order shall be restored!

[Lee.]

oh yes, we should find beautiful men from all nationalities and order shall be restored!

I like that idea!

[Lee.]

Bagsy doing Irish!

[MTVN]

Two different countries

Not really, they're only constituent countries within the UK

[Niamh.]

Bagsy doing Irish!

no probs, I'm doing Scotland!!

[MTVN]

The only reason there isnt any historical resentment towards countries like Scotland is because you are a small non threatening country that has never had the power to piss off other countries. Or build an empire by colonising a third of the world.

you are the small embattled underdog country. Everybody likes underdogs.

They still managed to piss the Americans off by releasing the Lockerbie bomber though :tongue:

[Iceman]

They can all hate us but they all know deep down we are the greatest country that is why so many of them want to live here.

It's arrogant people like you that actually put me off the UK. If anyone I met over there was like you i'd be gutted, hopefully they aren't though.

[Novo]

It's arrogant people like you that actually put me off the UK. If anyone I met over there was like you i'd be gutted, hopefully they aren't though.

Calm down Freckles.

[Iceman]

Calm down Freckles.

:laugh2: Nice

[Lee.]

The only reason there isnt any historical resentment towards countries like Scotland is because you are a small non threatening country that has never had the power to piss off other countries. Or build an empire by colonising a third of the world.

you are the small embattled underdog country. Everybody likes underdogs.

And here is the kind of attitude that backs up what I'm saying.

[Niamh.]

And here is the kind of attitude that backs up what I'm saying.

lol yep.

[Novo]

Neither of you have denied it's not true though...

[Angus]

We have never been a "United Kingdom"; the Scots, Welsh and Irish have always hated us, and the English have not cared one jot. Even now, with most of the world despising us and laughing at us, the English rise above it, secure in the honour and privilege of just being English - the bulldog spirit is still alive and well:wink:

[Lee.]

The only reason there isnt any historical resentment towards countries like Scotland is because you are a small non threatening country that has never had the power to piss off other countries. Or build an empire by colonising a third of the world.

you are the small embattled underdog country. Everybody likes underdogs.

Neither of you have denied it's not true though...
Which part? I'd say it's true that we have never invaded and colonized a third of the world..but I don't really see how that's something to be proud of to be honest and I think zippys apparent pride in this part of Englands history is what pisses people e off.

I'd also say that yes it is true that we are a small country but I disagree that we are umderdogs. Just because we are smaller, does not mean we are in any way inferior to England. I find zippys suggestion that we are umderdogs very typical and basically a fine example of the type of **** that puts people's backs up!

[Niamh.]

Which part? I'd say it's true that we have never invaded and colonized a third of the world..but I don't really see how that's something to be proud of to be honest and I think zippys apparent pride in this part of Englands history is what pisses people e off.

I'd also say that yes it is true that we are a small country but I disagree that we are umderdogs. Just because we are smaller, does not mean we are in any way inferior to England. I find zippys suggestion that we are umderdogs very typical and basically a fine example of the type of **** that puts people's backs up!

Well said.

[Novo]

You are always made out to be the underdogs, just watch Braveheart or repeats of the Euro 2000 Qualifier in 1999 which we obviously won over two legs :)

[Niamh.]

You are always made out to be the underdogs, just watch Braveheart or repeats of the Euro 2000 Qualifier in 1999 which we obviously won over two legs :)

Braveheart? you say that like it was some sort of competition.

[Novo]

Braveheart? you say that like it was some sort of competition.

http://onstartups.com/Portals/150/images/charlie-sheen-winning-resized-600.jpg

[Stu]

We have never been a "United Kingdom"; the Scots, Welsh and Irish have always hated us, and the English have not cared one jot. Even now, with most of the world despising us and laughing at us, the English rise above it, secure in the honour and privilege of just being English - the bulldog spirit is still alive and well:wink:
You're a ****ing dope, so you are. It's 2011. Irish people have about as much of a grudge against the English as the English do with us. Which is to say none at all save for a meaningless minority of extremists.

Stop trying to fight the world. Fold away your trash rags and cool your jets.

[Niamh.]

http://onstartups.com/Portals/150/images/charlie-sheen-winning-resized-600.jpg

http://img.skysports.com/11/03/800x600/Brian-O-Driscoll-Ronan-O-Gara-post-england_2575957.jpg

[Lee.]

You are always made out to be the underdogs, just watch Braveheart or repeats of the Euro 2000 Qualifier in 1999 which we obviously won over two legs :)

Ahh.. well the way I look at it is we all live ina great part of the world. You only have to watch the news to realise how lucky we are to be Scottish/English/Irish/Welsh/British/whatever.

underdogs? away and have a word with yourself! you're just jealous because we are in fact the greater country! We have our own national anthem, our own language, our own national dress, national drink, national dress etc etc.. What do you have? morris dancers?? :laugh:

*please nobody start an argument with me re my last statement.. I cba and it's really just banter and I enjoy winding young Novo up... ta

[Novo]

http://img.skysports.com/11/03/800x600/Brian-O-Driscoll-Ronan-O-Gara-post-england_2575957.jpg

http://footballcraze.contentcreatorz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/1966-world-cup.jpg

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/fairplay/2010/06/08/Goal_Eng_Color460.jpg


http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/081johnson_468x823.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01764/ashes_1764287b.jpg

http://www.inthestands.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/45212534_416_eng_owen.jpg

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/becks-argentina-goal2.jpg

[Lee.]

OMFG!! 1966? Are you serious? Nah you can't be!

We have drinking games up here based on how long it takes for footie commentators to mention 1966 during every world cup!

It was 45 years ago! 45 years!

[Novo]

Ahh.. well the way I look at it is we all live ina great part of the world. You only have to watch the news to realise how lucky we are to be Scottish/English/Irish/Welsh/British/whatever.

underdogs? away and have a word with yourself! you're just jealous because we are in fact the greater country! We have our own national anthem, our own language, our own national dress, national drink, national dress etc etc.. What do you have? morris dancers?? :laugh:

*please nobody start an argument with me re my last statement.. I cba and it's really just banter and I enjoy winding young Novo up... ta

You all speak English and then you have the language Claymores uses which nobody on here understands including yourself... Rangers fans prefer singing GSTQ then your national anthem, We have World cup Winners which is more then you'll ever have.

[Novo]

OMFG!! 1966? Are you serious? Nah you can't be!

We have drinking games up here based on how long it takes for footie commentators to mention 1966 during every world cup!

It was 45 years ago! 45 years!

I added the 2003 rugby World cup in there and the 2010 Ashes victory in case you started.

[Niamh.]

http://footballcraze.contentcreatorz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/1966-world-cup.jpg

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/fairplay/2010/06/08/Goal_Eng_Color460.jpg


http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/081johnson_468x823.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01764/ashes_1764287b.jpg

http://www.inthestands.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/45212534_416_eng_owen.jpg

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/becks-argentina-goal2.jpg




lol ehhhh.........

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_05/danaDM310_468x681.jpghttp://www.eurovisionary.com/files/images/Johnny%20Logan_0.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2806654136_3c8bb40cd9.jpghttp://www.esceurovision.com/include/esc/Linda-Martin.jpghttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNZDHZ9r1ystY7_Ost2XIgbmzhId6z8 Vf3tXmcS76P2dUh6y6q1Q&t=1http://www.eurovisionary.com/files/images/Paul%20Harrington%20and%20Charlie%20McGettigan.pre view.jpghttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/TpdRtIM45ts/0.jpg

[Novo]

lol ehhhh.........

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_05/danaDM310_468x681.jpghttp://www.eurovisionary.com/files/images/Johnny%20Logan_0.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2806654136_3c8bb40cd9.jpghttp://www.esceurovision.com/include/esc/Linda-Martin.jpghttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNZDHZ9r1ystY7_Ost2XIgbmzhId6z8 Vf3tXmcS76P2dUh6y6q1Q&t=1http://www.eurovisionary.com/files/images/Paul%20Harrington%20and%20Charlie%20McGettigan.pre view.jpghttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/TpdRtIM45ts/0.jpg


These guys have probably sold more then all them put together.

http://www.xxlmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/the_beatles2.jpg

[Lee.]

You all speak English and then you have the language Claymores uses which nobody on here understands including yourself... Rangers fans prefer singing GSTQ then your national anthem, We have World cup Winners which is more then you'll ever have.



:laugh3:

Rangers fans are all :crazy:

The GSTQ thing isn't a pro English thing.. It's an anti Irish/catolic/celtic thing!

Celtic fans are just as crazy.. singing fecking Irish /pro IRA stuff!

Both teams are needing to realise that it should be about football and not religion/bigotry!

[Niamh.]

These guys have probably sold more then all them put together.

http://www.xxlmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/the_beatles2.jpg

well, I think these guys would give them a run for their money

http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/u211.jpg

[Stu]

My arse. Good lord.

[Novo]

:laugh3:

Rangers fans are all :crazy:

The GSTQ thing isn't a pro English thing.. It's an anti Irish/catolic/celtic thing!

Don't be silly, Rangers fan's are proud of their British routes, their are more suitable songs for the things you mentioned.

[Novo]

well, I think these guys would give them a run for their money

http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/u211.jpg

Doubt they are anywhere near the Beatles in terms of sales

[Lee.]

I added the 2003 rugby World cup in there and the 2010 Ashes victory in case you started.

Ahem.. me? starting? :nono:

You clearly have me confused with someone else!

[Locke.]

I have travelled to the other side of the world and back and I'm yet to hear anyone say they don't like England. I have heard plenty say they don't like Ireland, Scotland and Wales though

[Stu]

Can't have made many stops then.

[Locke.]

Stopped at one in every 2 countries all the way to Australia and back

[Lee.]

I have travelled to the other side of the world and back and I'm yet to hear anyone say they don't like England. I have heard plenty say they don't like Ireland, Scotland and Wales though

Really? where about?

[Novo]

According to this accurate list the Beatles have out sold everyone by a massive margain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Niamhxo have you got anything you would like to say?

[Lee.]

Doubt they are anywhere near the Beatles in terms of sales

I give you....

http://idiotflashback.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/bay_city_rollers_146.jpg
The Bay City Rollers!

[Niamh.]

Doubt they are anywhere near the Beatles in terms of sales

I actually don't know tbh but I would have thought they'd be close

[Stu]

Really? where about?

His just on a wind up.

Seriously though ... not that I agree with the sentiment ... but in plenty of places in Europe before we were actually offered better service/brought meals faster/brought to tables faster when we told them we were Irish, not English.

It's not an uncommon thing to happen. The Irish and Scots in particular are very well liked in most countries as being the alcoholic bastard cousins of the English pricks.

And this is coming from someone who is fully aware of what a cesspool his country is.

Wales on the other hand ... most foreigners I've spoken with seem as of yet unaware of it's existence. Or if they do all they know about the Welsh is that they like talking about how they are ... Welsh. Lets all just get along and mock Wales instead.

[Locke.]

Really? where about?

There are too many to mention I can't list them all :nono:

[Niamh.]

According to this accurate list the Beatles have out sold everyone by a massive margain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Niamhxo have you got anything you would like to say?

yes but but I'm a moderator so I better not:D

[Novo]

I actually don't know tbh but I would have thought they'd be close

They are roughly about 120 Million Copies behind them if my calculations serve me correct which they usually do.

[Stu]

They are roughly about 120 Million Copies behind them if my calculations serve me correct which they usually do.
Far more than that I would imagine. The Beatles have probably sold close to a billion records worldwide even though that's the unofficial statistic.

Heck Depeche are near enough to U2. And that's without the massive publicity.

[Lee.]

Don't be silly, Rangers fan's are proud of their British routes, their are more suitable songs for the things you mentioned.

*roots

And don't you be silly.. I know more Rangers fans than youand believe me they are proud to be Scottish.. but because of their anti Celtic views, GSTQ has become a good clean offensive song to sing to the Tic supporters

[Josy]

*Leaves thread quietly to go watch braveheart*


:joker:

[MTVN]

Which part? I'd say it's true that we have never invaded and colonized a third of the world..but I don't really see how that's something to be proud of to be honest and I think zippys apparent pride in this part of Englands history is what pisses people e off.


Oh come on that's ridiculous, you did colonise a quarter of the world because Scotland is part of the UK. Dont know why you think that you're free from responsibility for British Imperialism because your constituent country isnt the biggest. It was not England that had the largest Empire in the world, it was Britain; England, Scotland, Wales and, at that time, Ireland. Plenty of Scots would have fought for the Empire and for colonial forces, it's stupid to pin the whole thing on England

[Lee.]

His just on a wind up.

Seriously though ... not that I agree with the sentiment ... but in plenty of places in Europe before we were actually offered better service/brought meals faster/brought to tables faster when we told them we were Irish, not English.
It's not an uncommon thing to happen. The Irish and Scots in particular are very well liked in most countries as being the alcoholic bastard cousins of the English pricks.

And this is coming from someone who is fully aware of what a cesspool his country is.

Wales on the other hand ... most foreigners I've spoken with seem as of yet unaware of it's existence. Or if they do all they know about the Welsh is that they like talking about how they are ... Welsh. Lets all just get along and mock Wales instead.

I'm not saying it's right either,but it definitely happens.. I'm glad somebody else has experienced this!

[Novo]

*roots

And don't you be silly.. I know more Rangers fans than youand believe me they are proud to be Scottish.. but because of their anti Celtic views, GSTQ has become a good clean offensive song to sing to the Tic supporters

They don't just sing it at old firm games you know :joker:, your saying they only sing it because it annoys them so much.. Do you not see the British flags at the games? The British ties the players wear? the British stripes of the Kit? you have No idea.

[Niamh.]

I'm not saying it's right either,but it definitely happens.. I'm glad somebody else has experienced this!

I have as well, I remember years ago we were in France and our car broke down and we needed to get towed, the guys towing us were being awful until we said we were Irish then their attitude changed instantly.

[Niamh.]

*Leaves thread quietly to go watch braveheart*


:joker:

http://briantudor.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/braveheart-mad-stephen.jpg

[Lee.]

They don't just sing it at old firm games you know :joker:, your saying they only sing it because it annoys them so much.. Do you not see the British flags at the games? The British ties the players wear? the British stripes of the Kit? you have No idea.

I know they don't just sing it at old firm games.. they sing it everywhere they go!

[Novo]

I know they don't just sing it at old firm games.. they sing it everywhere they go!

So how is it you Class it as an Anti Celtic song? it's got nothing to do with them at all.

[Benjamin]

If you go to Australia they hate both the English and the Irish. Many landlords refuse to let houses to both nationalities because we are the heaviest and loudest drinkers who cause the most distruction. ;)

[MTVN]

Braveheart is a load of crap, if you want a real impressive victory look at the Battle of Agincourt, 6000 Englishmen against 36,000 Frenchmen and the English came out on top :spin:

[Lee.]

If you go to Australia they hate both the English and the Irish. Many landlords refuse to let houses to both nationlaities because we are the heaviest and loudest drinkers who cause the most distruction. ;)

Really??And the Scots aren't included in this??

Well I'll be damned

[Niamh.]

If you go to Australia they hate both the English and the Irish. Many landlords refuse to let houses to both nationalities because we are the heaviest and loudest drinkers who cause the most distruction. ;)

The aussies hate everyone bar aussies

[Stu]

Oh come on that's ridiculous, you did colonise a quarter of the world because Scotland is part of the UK. Dont know why you think that you're free from responsibility for British Imperialism because your constituent country isnt the biggest. It was not England that had the largest Empire in the world, it was Britain; England, Scotland, Wales and, at that time, Ireland. Plenty of Scots would have fought for the Empire and for colonial forces, it's stupid to pin the whole thing on England
That's faulty logic I would say. I can't speak for Wales because I don't know their history, but the majority of Scottish and Irish people resented England and being a part of the British empire back in the day. Why would they be considered part of Englands ills just because that's what it said on paper? England created the British empire. It was Englands empire. Are you telling me Ireland - being that it was a part of Britain - had the biggest empire in the world? Not a chance. Are you telling me they should be part of the blame for the atrocities of the British empire even though they fell to those atrocities themselves? That if England beats you you then get considered part of the problem and should shoulder some of the blame?

It's like saying the Polish were part of the grave threat the axis posed in World War II because Germany overran the place.

[Lee.]

So how is it you Class it as an Anti Celtic song? it's got nothing to do with them at all.

I'm bored. I don't really like football. I really have no interest in Celtic or Rangers.. I quite fancy Neil Lennon but that's about it!

I'm going to start a thread about shopping, make up and shagging

[Stu]

Hell yeah. I love make up and shagging!

[Benjamin]

I'm bored. I don't really like football. I really have no interest in Celtic or Rangers.. I quite fancy Neil Lennon but that's about it!

I'm going to start a thread about shopping, make up and shagging

-really wants you to start this thread-

[Harry!]

According to this accurate list the Beatles have out sold everyone by a massive margain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Niamhxo have you got anything you would like to say?

:love: at M at top female :spin:

[Novo]

:love: at M at top female :spin:

Get to bed you little fart

[Stu]

:love: at M at top female :spin:
http://www.cicsworld.org/blogs/ralasure/yawn-380x540.jpg

[Niall]

I've never had problems abroad when people know I'm english. O_o Is that a Europe only thing?

[Shaun]

-has entered the thread too late to pooh-pooh Niamh's U2 sales statistics and so begins prodding my belly button-

[Stu]

I've never had problems abroad when people know I'm english. O_o Is that a Europe only thing?


It's not a 'thing'. It's not anything. Some people hate the English, some hate the Irish, some hate everyone. It was just one example of a few times I was treated by a few people on a planet that has six billion other people.

Means nothing. Nobody will know for sure who hates who the most until the results of that survey that was never done that interviews those six billion comes in.

Everything is just examples.

[Niamh.]

I'm bored. I don't really like football. I really have no interest in Celtic or Rangers.. I quite fancy Neil Lennon but that's about it!

I'm going to start a thread about shopping, make up and shagging

:amazed:

[Niamh.]

-has entered the thread too late to pooh-pooh Niamh's U2 sales statistics and so begins prodding my belly button-

lmao shut up you, it was the closest thing I had.....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Niall]

It's not a 'thing'. It's not anything. Some people hate the English, some hate the Irish, some hate everyone. It was just one example of a few times I was treated by a few people on a planet that has six billion other people.

Means nothing.

Oh right. D:

[Locke.]

I'm bored. I don't really like football. I really have no interest in Celtic or Rangers.. I quite fancy Neil Lennon but that's about it!

I'm going to start a thread about shopping, make up and shagging

:crazy:

[Lee.]

-has entered the thread too late to pooh-pooh Niamh's U2 sales statistics and so begins prodding my belly button-

Does your bely button hurt when you prod it?

*shudders* Pet hate

[MTVN]

That's faulty logic I would say. I can't speak for Wales because I don't know their history, but the majority of Scottish and Irish people resented England and being a part of the British empire back in the day. Why would they be considered part of Englands ills just because that's what it said on paper? England created the British empire. It was Englands empire. Are you telling me Ireland - being that it was a part of Britain - had the biggest empire in the world? Not a chance. Are you telling me they should be part of the blame for the atrocities of the British empire even though they fell to those atrocities themselves? That if England beats you you then get considered part of the problem and should shoulder some of the blame?

It's like saying the Polish were part of the grave threat the axis posed in World War II because Germany overran the place.

There might have been a greater enthusiasm for Imperialism in England but that doesnt just rid the other constituent countries of any responisiblity, and engaging in finger pointing and pinning the blame fully on England seems a bit petty to me. There were still the same Scottish regiments in the Army fighting for the Empire and furthering Imperialism. I'm not saying it was Ireland's Empire, not at all, but it was Britain's and Shasown made an interesting post recently detailing the importance of Irish forces in the British Army during the Colonial days. To say that "we didnt do it" and "it was England" doesnt really stand up in my eyes, and you cant really fully rid yourself (that's a general you btw, not directed at you personally) of any responsibility, even if it was mainly driven by England. There were several Scottish Prime Ministers during this time after all, couple of Welshman as well

[Shaun]

Does your bely button hurt when you prod it?

*shudders* Pet hate

Can't say it does :laugh:

and it's alright Niamh, at least you didn't mention The Nolans. But you do have the Pogues, Van Morrison and the Cranberries :D


...and Daniel O'Donnell :evilgrin:

[Stu]

There might have been a greater enthusiasm for Imperialism in England but that doesnt just rid the other constituent countries of any responisiblity, and engaging in finger pointing and pinning the blame fully on England seems a bit petty to me. There were still the same Scottish regiments in the Army fighting for the Empire and furthering Imperialism. I'm not saying it was Ireland's Empire, not at all, but it was Britain's and Shasown made an interesting post recently detailing the importance of Irish forces in the British Army during the Colonial days. To say that "we didnt do it" and "it was England" doesnt really stand up in my eyes, and you cant really fully rid yourself of any responsibility, even if it was mainly driven by England. There were several Scottish Prime Ministers during this time after all, couple of Welshman as well
A tiny minority of Irishmen fought for England in the colonial days. Many of them were treated as lepers by the Irish for treason and betrayal. A sizeable number of Irishmen fought in the first World War but then that was on another scale altogether. To say Ireland should shoulder some responsibility for the British Empire's atrocities I feel is both ignorant and insulting. By becoming victim to these atrocities we became unwitting participants in the British Empire ... to then have to shoulder some of the responsibility?

Nah. Not buying it. Not in this lifetime, sorry.

[Lee.]

Can't say it does :laugh:

-books doctor appointment-

[Niamh.]

Can't say it does :laugh:

and it's alright Niamh, at least you didn't mention The Nolans. But you do have the Pogues, Van Morrison and the Cranberries :D


...and Daniel O'Donnell :evilgrin:

You know, I think the Nolans are bigger in Britain than in Ireland, we were watching Family fortunes last week, and the question was name an Irish band and the Nolans were up there, Gav was like, who the ****** are they? I had heard of them but only from british programmes and I couldn't name one of their songs!

[Stu]

Father Ted is the best thing to come out of this country. And RTE were too stupid to buy it.

[Niamh.]

Father Ted is the best thing to come out of this country. And RTE were too stupid to buy it.

this is the the truth

[MTVN]

A tiny minority of Irishmen fought for England in the colonial days. Many of them were treated as lepers by the Irish for treason and betrayal. A sizeable number of Irishmen fought in the first World War but then that was on another scale altogether. To say Ireland should shoulder some responsibility for the British Empire's atrocities I feel is both ignorant and insulting. By becoming victim to these atrocities we became unwitting participants in the British Empire ... to then have to shoulder some of the responsibility?

Nah. Not buying it. Not in this lifetime, sorry.

You've kind of taken me away from the main point of my argument, I can kind of understand Ireland's case and was reluctant to include them in my first post but I dont think you can say the same for Scotland. Scots were hardly hostile to Britain's actions, the Scramble for Africa encouraged a wave of Popular Imperialism in Scotland just as much as it did in England and there were several prominent Scottish missionaries which encouraged expansion, most notably David Livingstone. And when this was, at times, done by Scottish Prime Ministers with the full support of plenty of Scottish Regiments then nah, you're not blameless and above being held responsible.

Ireland I'll give you, Scotland I wont.

[Stu]

Fair dues. I need to brush up on my Scottish history.

[Niamh.]

You've kind of taken me away from the main point of my argument, I can kind of understand Ireland's case and was reluctant to include them in my first post but I dont think you can say the same for Scotland. Scots were hardly hostile to Britain's actions, the Scramble for Africa encouraged a wave of Popular Imperialism in Scotland just as much as it did in England and there were several prominent Scottish missionaries which encouraged expansion, most notably David Livingstone. And when this was, at times, done by Scottish Prime Ministers with the full support of plenty of Scottish Regiments then nah, you're not blameless and above being held responsible.

Ireland I'll give you, Scotland I wont.

http://blog.davidhoyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/braveheart.jpg

[MTVN]

Fair dues. I need to brush up on my Scottish history.

I'm not really an expert at all but I've looked at British Imperialism in the 19th century in quite a bit of detail, I'm not sure about Scottish involvement in the earlier days of Colonialism though tbh

[Beso]

As a scot living in england I can safely say england is a cesspot.

[Stu]

You must fit in comftorably.

[MTVN]

http://blog.davidhoyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/braveheart.jpg

:nono:

[Beso]

You must fit in comftorably.

Is english your first language?

[Niamh.]

:nono:

:joker: I'm sorry, I couldn't resist:blush:

[Stu]

Is english your first language?
It's third, after Jive and Klingon.

[MTVN]

:joker: I'm sorry, I couldn't resist:blush:

That film is inaccurate anyway http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo12/TyphoonUK-08/huff.gif

/bitter

[Shaun]

Excuse me, stewardess, I speak jive :love:

[Niamh.]

That film is inaccurate anyway http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo12/TyphoonUK-08/huff.gif

/bitter

what eva, you would say that evil English man!









jk

[Stu]

Excuse me, stewardess, I speak jive :love:
'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!

[MTVN]

what eva, you would say that evil English man!









jk

:laugh: