What Went Wrong?

[The_Big_Send_Off]

i dont get it, everyone used to watch big brother! it used to have really high rating, what the hell happend to it?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

People used to like voting for joe public to become household names and change their lives coz we could relate to them but when BB was literally full of people who thought they deserved fame people stopped caring about them and switched off.

[Sawyer]

Race row happened. That's what. Channel 4 got scared. Got too PC, Big Brother feeds of controversy and needed it like we need air.

Channel 4 strangled Big Brother so no controversy was hitting the front page. Got boring. Viewers switched off.

Nutshell.

[Locke.]

They started having freaks as housemates instead of normal interesting people.

[Jordan.]

Race Row, **** housemates, Bad tasks/twists. :bored:

[Stu]

Not enough Science. That's what happened.

Not enough Science.

[Shaun]

Charlie Sheen.

[The_Big_Send_Off]

i think cbb5 and bb8 killed big bro, bb7 was an epic series :/

[Stu]

And they would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you pesky kids.

[Doogle]

I'm guessing C4 stopped the controversy and made things a lot stricter when it came to arguments and stuff like that, after the Race Row.

Why couldn't I have been born 10 years earlier? That way I could've enjoyed the best series'. :( :joker:

[MrFrost]

well.... A main reason is reality tv moved on. It copies big brother and big brother should of sued eg. I'm a celeb, love island..

Other shows like dancing on ice and strictly stole the older fans away from us and now with shows like jersey shore and towie may have even stole some of the younger age

[JohnnyBB]

Think bb8 was better than bb10 and bb11 put together it just got **** after bb7 cause they couldn't top it.

[Stu]

How could you possibly sue? It created a boom in a genre of television it didn't invent. Could Coronation Street sue EastEnders?

[georgehudson]

Race row happened. That's what. Channel 4 got scared. Got too PC, Big Brother feeds of controversy and needed it like we need air.

Channel 4 strangled Big Brother so no controversy was hitting the front page. Got boring. Viewers switched off.

Nutshell.

This.

And I would just like to add... Jade Goody was not racist! To be racist you have to intend to be, Jade just didn't have a very big dictionary, she wasn't a horrible person and she had a good heart. Shilpa Shetty was a stuck up, snobby, pathetic biitch who ruined Jade's life.

And the picture attached is so unnecessary it's un-real.

[Stu]

Yeah Shilpa Shetty really set out to ruin Jade, didn't she. It was all her fault. Stupid woman.

[Doogle]

I just used to assume Jade was some racist woman who was once on Big Brother.

But now I've looked deeper into the matter, I have to agree. I can't believe Jo and Danielle got out of it so easily. Oh and Jade's mum and Jack.

[georgehudson]

Yeah Shilpa Shetty really set out to ruin Jade, didn't she. It was all her fault. Stupid woman.

I never said she set out to ruin Jade's life. But she did being the snobby, patronising, pathetic person she is.

[Stu]

And that's what ruined Jade's life?

Jesus help me.

So what particular act of snobbery ruined Jade's life then? Name a few.

[joeysteele]

People used to like voting for joe public to become household names and change their lives coz we could relate to them but when BB was literally full of people who thought they deserved fame people stopped caring about them and switched off.

You are so right and its also a good reason for you to apply to go in this year, get it back to its roots again,the good roots.

I think it will get good viewing figures again though, I think people will want to see what it's like on Channel 5, I know a lot of people who haven't watched it regularly for years but they are going to watch it on Channel 5.

[MrFrost]

How could you possibly sue? It created a boom in a genre of television it didn't invent. Could Coronation Street sue EastEnders?

Lyle and scott sued next for having a simular bird logo on the top left chest. I'm sure there are ways around it

[Beastie]

Of course Shilpa didn't set out to ruin Jade's life. Jade did that on her own accord. Shilpa was such a lovely, elegant, forgiving person. She was bullied by Jade, Jackiey, Jack, Danielle and Jo. These 5 were threatened by her because Shilpa was everything they weren't. I do agree that Jade got a lot more stick than what she deserved and the other 4 got away scott free. Well maybe not Jo. But Danielle just fluttered her eyelashes and got away with it.

Shilpa was the first to forgive Jade. Then the public forgave Jade. Well the public began to feel sorry for her when she got cancer. Jade should have never got cancer or die at the tender age of 27 but she did. I didn't mind Jade. I liked her. I think she was in the wrong when bullying Shilpa though. She needed dropping down a peg or 2.

There was nothing wrong with Shilpa though. It was Phil Edgar Jones mistake for letting Jade back into BB in the first place. However these type twists have to always be tried out to see if they work. Unfortunately this didn't work and from this series BB went downhill. I suppose it's Jades fault in a way.

However.. WHO CARES. That was the past.. this is the future. BB is about to rise again from the dead and be rejuvenated into something hopefully a lot better and less mentally draining.

DO IT BB DO IT.

[georgehudson]

Of course Shilpa didn't set out to ruin Jade's life. Jade did that on her own accord. Shilpa was such a lovely, elegant, forgiving person. She was bullied by Jade, Jackiey, Jack, Danielle and Jo. These 5 were threatened by her because Shilpa was everything they weren't. I do agree that Jade got a lot more stick than what she deserved and the other 4 got away scott free. Well maybe not Jo. But Danielle just fluttered her eyelashes and got away with it.

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Didn't even bother to read the rest of the post (after the stars) because all your talking is rubbish.

You know what.. I'm not even going to argue against that or argue with you anymore as what you've just said is THE MOST st ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Honestly.. wake up and get in the real world. :rolleyes:

[GypsyGoth]

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[CharlieO]

cancer ruined jade's life.

[georgehudson]

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I loved her. :love:
She was a nice person unlike the media and stupid stuck up people made out. :nono:

[georgehudson]

cancer ruined jade's life.

Agreed.
But Shilpa and what went on made it horrible for her for her last bit of life :sad:

[GypsyGoth]

Agreed.
But Shilpa and what went on made it horrible for her for her last bit of life :sad:

Maybe it made her a wiser person though. She seen how her behavior affected Shilpa in the house and then tried to change.

[MTVN]

Agreed.
But Shilpa and what went on made it horrible for her for her last bit of life :sad:

No, she "ruined her life" when she made the decision to go back into Big Brother and be a bullying, racist bitch.

Dont get me wrong, it's a shame she died early but dont blame Shilpa for "ruining her life"

[joeysteele]

No, she "ruined her life" when she made the decision to go back into Big Brother and be a bullying, racist bitch.

Dont get me wrong, it's a shame she died early but dont blame Shilpa for "ruining her life"

I agree again MTVN, I personally liked Jade and it was sad her untimely end to her life but Shilpa should never have been subjected to the onslaught of viciousness she got from Jade and co.

It was and always will be indefensible behaviour and wrong.

[Beastie]

Didn't even bother to read the rest of the post (after the stars) because all your talking is rubbish.

You know what.. I'm not even going to argue against that or argue with you anymore as what you've just said is THE MOST st ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Honestly.. wake up and get in the real world. :rolleyes:

You can't even argue or put an actual point across as to why you disagree with me. You are totally dilluded by friend. Ha.

[Iceman]

Cleaned up a bit, The forum double posts when it goes slow, it's no members fault, also dont be insulting towards members.

[The_Big_Send_Off]

Calling jade names? thats just low!

KARMA'S A BITCH!

[Lee.]

They started having freaks as housemates instead of normal interesting people.

In a nutshell... this ^^

[Iceman]

Cleaned Up AGAIN

[Stu]

Lyle and scott sued next for having a simular bird logo on the top left chest. I'm sure there are ways around it
Bit of a wayward comparison though.

Of course Shilpa didn't set out to ruin Jade's life. Jade did that on her own accord. Shilpa was such a lovely, elegant, forgiving person. She was bullied by Jade, Jackiey, Jack, Danielle and Jo. These 5 were threatened by her because Shilpa was everything they weren't. I do agree that Jade got a lot more stick than what she deserved and the other 4 got away scott free. Well maybe not Jo. But Danielle just fluttered her eyelashes and got away with it.

Shilpa was the first to forgive Jade. Then the public forgave Jade. Well the public began to feel sorry for her when she got cancer. Jade should have never got cancer or die at the tender age of 27 but she did. I didn't mind Jade. I liked her. I think she was in the wrong when bullying Shilpa though. She needed dropping down a peg or 2.

There was nothing wrong with Shilpa though. It was Phil Edgar Jones mistake for letting Jade back into BB in the first place. However these type twists have to always be tried out to see if they work. Unfortunately this didn't work and from this series BB went downhill. I suppose it's Jades fault in a way.

However.. WHO CARES. That was the past.. this is the future. BB is about to rise again from the dead and be rejuvenated into something hopefully a lot better and less mentally draining.

DO IT BB DO IT.
Exactly.

[Niamh.]

Of course Shilpa didn't set out to ruin Jade's life. Jade did that on her own accord. Shilpa was such a lovely, elegant, forgiving person. She was bullied by Jade, Jackiey, Jack, Danielle and Jo. These 5 were threatened by her because Shilpa was everything they weren't. I do agree that Jade got a lot more stick than what she deserved and the other 4 got away scott free. Well maybe not Jo. But Danielle just fluttered her eyelashes and got away with it.

Shilpa was the first to forgive Jade. Then the public forgave Jade. Well the public began to feel sorry for her when she got cancer. Jade should have never got cancer or die at the tender age of 27 but she did. I didn't mind Jade. I liked her. I think she was in the wrong when bullying Shilpa though. She needed dropping down a peg or 2.

There was nothing wrong with Shilpa though. It was Phil Edgar Jones mistake for letting Jade back into BB in the first place. However these type twists have to always be tried out to see if they work. Unfortunately this didn't work and from this series BB went downhill. I suppose it's Jades fault in a way.

However.. WHO CARES. That was the past.. this is the future. BB is about to rise again from the dead and be rejuvenated into something hopefully a lot better and less mentally draining.

DO IT BB DO IT.

well said Beastie:thumbs:

[Niamh.]

Agreed.
But Shilpa and what went on made it horrible for her for her last bit of life :sad:

Shilpa made it horrible? Shilpa did nothing to jade in that house, Jade and her little gang were disgusting, vile bullies and Shilpa handled it like a lady. You liked Jade, I get that but take the blinkers off ffs:bored:

[Stacey.]

And they would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you pesky kids.

*looks at vicky*

[Stacey.]

Agreed.
But Shilpa and what went on made it horrible for her for her last bit of life :sad:

Shilpa did nothing wrong. :nono:

[InOne]

Race row. Blown way out of proportion. Then they started mixing it up too much, trying new things that failed. Then BB10 and BB11 getting them out the house and that. BB11 made a mockery of this.

[Niamh.]

Race row. Blown way out of proportion. Then they started mixing it up too much, trying new things that failed. Then BB10 and BB11 getting them out the house and that. BB11 made a mockery of this.

Yeah, kicking Emily out was an example of this, that was so wrong

[Mac Hiavellian]

Various reasons.

1) HMs became 'characters'. Ever since BB2 the producers cast 'characters' to try and top the Nasty Nick drama then when BB4 was too boring they deliberately started picking peopel that were bound to clash. Ruth Wrigley once said in BB1 they'd never put a black man and a Nazi in the same house yet by BB5 we had Marco (an openly gay guy who hated asylum seekers) and Ahmed (a homophobic assylum seeker). Then came BB6 and the fakes, fame hungry wannabes, glamour models i.e. Orlaith, Sam, and after CBB5 BB relied heavily on these OTT personalities to still provide enough drama.

2) The controversy balloon. Since BB1's Nasty Nick scandal it had bene controversial. In TBB HMs finally had sex, BB5 pushed the boundaries with Fight Night, BB6 with the pool orgy and Kinga with the bottle, in CBB4 with the Jodie Marsh bullying claims and Pete Burns coat drama, and then BB7 came after the voting scam and had the golden ticket 'fix' claims, sending Nikki back in and concern over the mental state of some of the HMs. In CBB5 the balloon finally burst because the race row was an international scandal and so since then BB toned down. Apparantly BB8's Gerry claims there was lots of action in BB8 that wasn't shown (including some HMs having sex) and even in UBB there was speculation as to why Coolio left the house. Did he look up Nadia's skirt and harrass her? Why was this not shown? Or did she make it up? If so, why did Coolio leave so quickly?

3) Stupid twists/lack of twists and forgetting the rules. Every year BB changed slightly so not to get stale. Notably the logo and house change every year but it's relied on twists also. In BB2 it was Josh as the 11th HM and the surprise eviction the day before the finale, BB3 had the shock first eviction and the rich/poor divide, BB4 had quite a lot of twists with the first night nominations, rewards room, double eviction, Africa swap, sendign Jon Tickle back in as a guest and so on. BB7's theme was all about twists and so it finally gave viewers the 2nd house they'd wanted, it had the golden ticket competition, sending evicted HMs back in (and controversially making them eligible to win) and after CBB5 BB relied on 'fun' twists for BB8 that'd make the show lighthearted again and further top BB7's big twists. It gave us the all-female launch, guys gradually going in, the Half Way House (just a carbon copy of BB7's HND), Charley's fake eviction (pretty much the Nikki stunt but this time the public knew the HM would go back in). Even though i liked BB9 it was criticised for copying BB3's divide and then adding Nicole to the mix even though she never auditioned to go on the show, she was purely Rex's girlfriend - it was a desperate attempt to grab ratings. BB10 was similar with Kenneth/Carly and then Noirin/Isaac, it had the non-housemates launch twist, but BB10 even started p!ssing all over the rule book allowing HMs to have a magazine, sending Lisa and David to London, and even in BB11 HMs left the house for the eviction night tasks, or so many guests went in (army guy, that dancing guy, the entire Ignore the Obvious task, the final few days), and then there was BB allowing John James to talk to Nathan in the DR.

4) The houses. The house is a big part of BB, it has to be an interesting stage for the HMs to perfomr on and it has to be interesting enough for viewers to watch. The BB1 house was fairly plain but BB2 elevated it makign it brighter, it moved to Elstree for BB3 and was huge, BB4's house was lush. BB5 started making it gimmicky with the outside bedroom and bathroom (still interesting), BB6 had a great house but there was no bathroom - just outdoor showers (Hmm), BB7's was a strange design but it had a whoel seperate house next door to it (fans wanted this for so long). But then came BB8 with it's cramped sh!t hole with too many secret rooms/appliances. It had the HWH, that ******ing caravan, that hidden pool bar and a hiddne washign machine (Why!?!?). BB9's was again colourful and lush in places, but then came BB10's credit crunched dank puddle of p!ss. It was near enough the same layout as BB9's house but with some rooms swapping here and there, that awful chipboard wall in the kitchen, that mess of a bedroom, the basic bathroom and that ******ing diary room!!! In the end it was the BB10 HMs that provided the drama because the producers had a sh!t house, dire tasks and a lack of twists.

5) Spin-off series. CBB1 was a basic idea, it worked for Comic Relief. CBB2 was also fairly quiet with just 6 British celebs only in there for a week but it wasn't that great. Teen BB experimented with having younger HMs, being pre-recorded, having the HMs vite off eahc other rather than the public but still wasn't too great. After the success of BB5's 'evil' theme and rival celebrity reality shows 'I'm A Celebrity' and 'Hell's Kitchen' CBB was brought back but had to be tougher. CBB3 was longer, had more HMs, had international HMs, had more gruelling tasks and was great. And similarly to the Marco/Ahmed thing, the celebs were deliberately picked to clash with John being a complete misogynist and Germaine being a feminist. This is the CBB people wanted and was then topped by CBB4 (considered one of the best BB series ever) which had even more celebs, recogniseable faces, twists and a longer run. Then was CBB5 where it overshaddowed regular BB and CBB has never been the same since. Celebrity Hijack was considered a failure because it was an E4 only show and obviously tried to shy away from controversy and when CBB returned for series 6 it did have a few big names, but they were too scared to do anything majorly interesting (and the producers were probably fearful something might kick off again) so the Live Feed was cut and remained cut for BB10. At least CBB7 regenerated some interest but the fatc it got more viewers than BBs 10 and 11 shows the celebrity version is now the public's preferred version.

6) Spin-off shows. After (Or maybe even before?) Dermot left BBLB it began to get as 'wacky' as the main show, same with BBBM. The over exposure of both shows and their wakiness became turn-offs. At leats with BBLB after Dermot left he had George and Zezi working as a double act so not to put as much pressure as it would on 1 person but come BB10 IIRC people disliked George. Whereas, BBBM had a different guest presenter each week to replace Russel. At least for BB10 when Davina took over it was reduced to just Friday nights and had Davina as a solid presnter the entire run again. After the main show ditched the psychologist aspect for BB5 and 6 they briefly returned for BB's Big Brain during BB7 and Big Brother On the Couch in BB8 but neither shows generated the same sort of interest.

7) Series length/too many HMs. The fans had always wanted BB to be on for longer and have more HMs (the bigger, the better) whilst the haters already thought 9 weeks was far too long and so that, even without all the spin-off shows and live coverage was too much. BB3 upped the number of HMs from 10 to 12, BB5 extended the run from 9 to 10 weeks, and in BB6 it had 13 HMs from day 1 and an 11 week run. But with longer series comes new HMs and so BB6 had to 'spice it up' by havign 3 new HMs enter later on. It's been the same problem ever since, the longer the series, the more new HMs are expected to freshen it up but in a way it makes the previous weeks and early evictees seem more pointless in the grand scheme of things. BB7 was on for 13 weeks and had 14 HMs from launch but a further 8 late entrants, and the biggest mistake was BB8's 13/14 week series with only 11 women at launch and then a further 12 late entrants (that's more than the number iof originals!) The good thing about BBs 9 and 10 were that with 16 HMs from launch you were guaranteed drama and that there'd be less newbies, the bad side was some HMs were overshaddowed by others in the HL shows. Like I said, the CBB series got longer (but at least they were only by a few days) and CBB3 upped the usual 6 HMs to 8, and CBB4 from 8 to 11. I'm all for CBB8 having 14+ celebrity HMs but the problem with CBB was the producers started treating it like a regular BB by having evictions only once a week and a last minute rush to get the HMs out towards the end OR that, in CBB7's case, there were too many double evictions (Sov was the only HM to have a single eviction in CBB7). CBB should have at least 2/3 evictions per week and not always doubles

8) HMs that know each other! Granted, some of the HMs might know each other from the audition process (which happened in BB11) but at least they're still basically strangers to one another. CBB was slightly harder because some HMs may have met one another or even didn't want to participate unless they knew someone else (Coolio as seen in CBB6 and UBB). In CBB3 was the evil twist that saw Brigitte live with her ex-mother-in-law Jackie (fair enough), in CBB5 was the Goody family (Hmm, interesting to have a family I suppose), BB8's Samanda (What? Twins and not even a twist?!?!), BB9's Mario and Lisa (at least there's a twist!), Nicole and Rex (Why? She didn't even audition?), BB10's Kenneth (Same as above?) and Isaac (AGAIN!?!?!)

9) Other news/lack of publicity. After CBB5 it was noticeable Channel 4 didn't publicise BB as much. And after Jade Goody died I think BB suffered a bit because BB10 (the landmark series) was just too soon and then later in the year Michael Jackson died so that further knocked BB off the public's interest. As badly set up as BB10 was it suffered even more because of the other news stories at the time. And I think ultimately this was a huge part in why Channel 4 axed it along with the previous reasons.

I think CBB5 was the big turning point but there were certainly other problems both after and even before it.

[Omah]

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Blimey, that's Goody to a "T (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1303&d=1302733207)" ..... :eek:

[Omah]

Shilpa did nothing wrong. :nono:

The lovely Shilpa ..... :lovedup:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Big Borther 8 I would say.

[Lee.]

I'd agree with all of that MacH!

Especially about the hms becoming "characters"

I also hate the to-ing and fro-ing of hms.. People walking, new replacements, surprise newbies, dounle/quadruple evictions.. You hardly get to really know some of them. I REALLY want them to simplify it thisyear and put 10/12/14/however many hms in then evict one a week like they used to do.. No twists or manipulating the results. Just the least liked housemate evicted!

[Mac Hiavellian]

I'd agree with all of that MacH!

Especially about the hms becoming "characters"

I also hate the to-ing and fro-ing of hms.. People walking, new replacements, surprise newbies, dounle/quadruple evictions.. You hardly get to really know some of them. I REALLY want them to simplify it thisyear and put 10/12/14/however many hms in then evict one a week like they used to do.. No twists or manipulating the results. Just the least liked housemate evicted!

Cheers, Doll! :)

In a way I think BB10 tried to do that and that's why the producers didn't interfere too much (but when it did it was awful decisions such as Kenneth, Isaac, magazine scandal). The problem with the HMs in BB10 was that they were still characters. You had Siavash (Rasputin!), Angel (WTF?) and Marcus (Wolverine!) and from the moment they entered the house they were judged for being weird.

BB11's lot were a lot more normal in comparison. Once you get over the shock of Steve not having any legs or that he has 1 eye he was very normal. The only 3 people I'd say that appeared as 'characters' on launch night were Shabby (which she was), Corin (Jordan wannabe) and Dave (monk!) whilst Mario was made to wear the mole outfit. Take off the costumes and they're suddenly normal people.

The thing that worries me about BB on Channel 5 is that apparently Desmond still wants a 13 week BB12 but reportedly with normal HMs again. Because it'll be so soon after the 4 week CBB I'm kinda worried it'll drag on and be too boring and so they'll inevitably have to rely on the same old tricks even if 5 won't be as watered down as Channel 4's later days

[Vicky.]

Race row killed it mostly, c4 was too scared to have anything controversial from that moment.

And then add to that the casting of people with agents/freaks, lack of imagination, crap tasks, disastrous production decisions...

[Niamh.]

Race row killed it mostly, c4 was too scared to have anything controversial from that moment.

And then add to that the casting of people with agents/freaks, lack of imagination, crap tasks, disastrous production decisions...

yeah, that's it really in a nutshell

[Lee.]

Cheers, Doll! :)

In a way I think BB10 tried to do that and that's why the producers didn't interfere too much (but when it did it was awful decisions such as Kenneth, Isaac, magazine scandal). The problem with the HMs in BB10 was that they were still characters. You had Siavash (Rasputin!), Angel (WTF?) and Marcus (Wolverine!) and from the moment they entered the house they were judged for being weird.

BB11's lot were a lot more normal in comparison. Once you get over the shock of Steve not having any legs or that he has 1 eye he was very normal. The only 3 people I'd say that appeared as 'characters' on launch night were Shabby (which she was), Corin (Jordan wannabe) and Dave (monk!) whilst Mario was made to wear the mole outfit. Take off the costumes and they're suddenly normal people.

The thing that worries me about BB on Channel 5 is that apparently Desmond still wants a 13 week BB12 but reportedly with normal HMs again. Because it'll be so soon after the 4 week CBB I'm kinda worried it'll drag on and be too boring and so they'll inevitably have to rely on the same old tricks even if 5 won't be as watered down as Channel 4's later days



Yip.. I think that if they can find 12 or so interesting people, there shouldn't be any need to resort to old tricks.

Surely out of the thousands of people that audition, they can select individuals who will entertain us.

I couldn't care less about screeching queens, siliconed air heads, wannabe WAGS/pornstars, witches, monks, women who shave etc etc..

I just want a good mix of people who can converse and debate a matter. I want wit, fun, sarcasm, hilarity, disagreements.. When was the last time there was a genuinely hilarious housemate??

I just don't want the fame hungry saddoes that act all crrazy in their VTs, go into the house screeching like a banshee on launch night and then are quite happy to sit wrapped in their duvet and bitch about how bored they are just in the hope that they might find ready made fame on leaving the house!

Remember Kate Lawlers year? The likes of her and Johnny and Alex etc were just normal people who actually made an effort to interact and have fun without trying to be "wacky"!

:laugh:

Dear god! I'm about to talk myself into never watching BB again! I'm gettin furious about something that hasn't even happened yet!

[Beastie]

Cheers, Doll! :)

In a way I think BB10 tried to do that and that's why the producers didn't interfere too much (but when it did it was awful decisions such as Kenneth, Isaac, magazine scandal). The problem with the HMs in BB10 was that they were still characters. You had Siavash (Rasputin!), Angel (WTF?) and Marcus (Wolverine!) and from the moment they entered the house they were judged for being weird.

BB11's lot were a lot more normal in comparison. Once you get over the shock of Steve not having any legs or that he has 1 eye he was very normal. The only 3 people I'd say that appeared as 'characters' on launch night were Shabby (which she was), Corin (Jordan wannabe) and Dave (monk!) whilst Mario was made to wear the mole outfit. Take off the costumes and they're suddenly normal people.

The thing that worries me about BB on Channel 5 is that apparently Desmond still wants a 13 week BB12 but reportedly with normal HMs again. Because it'll be so soon after the 4 week CBB I'm kinda worried it'll drag on and be too boring and so they'll inevitably have to rely on the same old tricks even if 5 won't be as watered down as Channel 4's later days

BB4 and BB11 had pretty much "normal" housemates. But they both turned out to be boring series.

BB10 had the most unlikeable housemates which is why it became mentally draining and people started turning off.

We need likeable, interesting, entertaining housemates. Sure we need a few unlikeable to cause fireworks. Even likeable characters fall out with each other because they are threatened that the other one will win.

Anyway we need a mixture of all people. Both "normal" people and freaks. Just please don't choose anyone Boring. I doubt Desmond will!

[CharlieO]

Yeah, kicking Emily out was an example of this, that was so wrong

Agreed. She shouldn't have been kicked out charley and nicki said the same word in the same context after she did and because they are black didn't get punished. It was rasism kicking her out. Just because she was White why can't she say the same word black people can say. If she had said it in a bullying way it would have been unacceptable but she wasn't malicious atall she said it in the way rappers say it. If eminem put it in one of his songs it would be considered 'fine'

[Iceman]

Agreed. She shouldn't have been kicked out charley and nicki said the same word in the same context after she did and because they are black didn't get punished. It was rasism kicking her out. Just because she was White why can't she say the same word black people can say. If she had said it in a bullying way it would have been unacceptable but she wasn't malicious atall she said it in the way rappers say it. If eminem put it in one of his songs it would be considered 'fine'

He has and nobody batted an eyelid, stupid producers being too PC

[bananarama]

i dont get it, everyone used to watch big brother! it used to have really high rating, what the hell happend to it?

The answer to that is simplicity itself. Ofcom and the PC brigade that activate Ofcom is what happened to BB. Also a bunch of PC puritanical scared of authority knob heads at CH4

[Zippy]

People just get bored of seeing the same thing so gradually switch off.

It would have gradually lost viewers no matter what they did tbh. By BB4 viewers were tired of normal HMs. Then by BB8 they were tired of loud attention ***** HMs. Since then its just been clinging on to its hardcore audience.

Worldwide its no longer a huge deal so the format has obviously just got tired.

[georgehudson]

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[georgehudson]

No, she "ruined her life" when she made the decision to go back into Big Brother and be a bullying, racist bitch.

Dont get me wrong, it's a shame she died early but dont blame Shilpa for "ruining her life"

She was not racist.. get it into your head!

[georgehudson]

I agree again MTVN, I personally liked Jade and it was sad her untimely end to her life but Shilpa should never have been subjected to the onslaught of viciousness she got from Jade and co.

It was and always will be indefensible behaviour and wrong.

Shilpa provocked the situation completly and played a big part in it. :nono:

[georgehudson]

Shilpa made it horrible? Shilpa did nothing to jade in that house, Jade and her little gang were disgusting, vile bullies and Shilpa handled it like a lady. You liked Jade, I get that but take the blinkers off ffs:bored:

**Learn some grammar**

Don't be so stupid!
Jade was not racist and Shilpa did not "handle it like a lady".. She was a stuck up, patronising, selfish, snobby biitch.

You say "Shilpa done nothing to Jade in that house" - Yes.. she did. She tried to minipulate Jade and was very patronising to her, she tried to make Jade feel worthless and small. Shilpa thought she was better than her.. When she wasn't and far from it.

You liked Shilpa, I get that but take the blinkers off ffs :bored::rolleyes:

[Stu]

And he dissed this playa for accidentaly double posting.

You couldn't make it up.

[Niamh.]

**Learn some grammar**

Don't be so stupid!
Jade was not racist and Shilpa did not "handle it like a lady".. She was a stuck up, patronising, selfish, snobby biitch.

You say "Shilpa done nothing to Jade in that house" - Yes.. she did. She tried to minipulate Jade and was very patronising to her, she tried to make Jade feel worthless and small. Shilpa thought she was better than her.. When she wasn't and far from it.

You liked Shilpa, I get that but take the blinkers off ffs :bored::rolleyes:

You need to tone it down and stop insulting people. If you want to discuss this with me please do me the courtesy of not calling me names in the process. Thanks.

[Iceman]

Shilpa provocked the situation completly and played a big part in it. :nono:

Provoked*

[georgehudson]

You need to tone it down and stop insulting people. If you want to discuss this with me please do me the courtesy of not calling me names in the process. Thanks.

How did I insult you?
The only reason your accusing me of saying that is because you know im right and your really wrong! :nono:

So how about you "tone it down" :rolleyes:

[georgehudson]

Provoked*

Thanks for the correction :rolleyes: