Do Violent Video Games Cause Crime??

[Mr XcX]

My first real debate thread.

[Locke.]

I'd say they could definitely put ideas in peoples head, but they've gotta be pretty abnormal to carry them out anyway.

Talking about murder and torture an stuff by the way, not like robbing a shop or whatever.

[Zippy]

no yes no yes no yes

oh I don't know

no....no, yes. Ok then no.

[KG.]

They could play a big part in how someone goes about committing a certain crime, ie. like Locke said, putting certain ideas into people's heads etc. but those people that do try and recreate something they've seen in a game have to be pretty ****ed in the head in the first place.

[Mr XcX]

I believe they do cause violence.

It created DRIVE BY shootings in the USA because of GTA.

An increase in gangs etc.

[Mr XcX]

They could play a big part in how someone goes about committing a certain crime, ie. like Locke said, putting certain ideas into people's heads etc. but those people that do try and recreate something they've seen in a game have to be pretty ****ed in the head in the first place.

But I would argue that alot of people who are vulnerable will be brain washed by playing games like resident evil etc. Then it will cause them to become killers without them knowing what they where doing.

[Zippy]

I believe they do cause violence.

It created DRIVE BY shootings in the USA because of GTA.

An increase in gangs etc.

urm, Im pretty sure violent gangs were very prevalent long before violent video games were around. Think youre being a bit naive.

drive by shootings are about rivalries and revenge not video games.

[Mr XcX]

urm, Im pretty sure violent gangs were very prevalent long before violent video games were around. Think youre being a bit naive.

drive by shootings are about rivalries and revenge not video games.

I know what I am talking about.

Drive by shootings where caused by GTA.

Also, Manhunter caused many murders.

[BB_Eye]

No, lack of role models, education and opportunities do.

Video game publishers have nothing to apologise for.

[Zippy]

Also, Manhunter caused many murders.

isnt that a gay dating site?

[Mr XcX]

If anyone is below 18 on this site I want to ask Y'all if your parents have bought you any of these sick twisted games.

Because the parents are to blame too,

[Mr XcX]

isnt that a gay dating site?

I don't know.

I think that is what the game is called.

It encouraged people to murder others.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

no :bored:

violence is videogames should never be taken seriously because its so ridiculously OTT

like in new vegas when you shoot somebody in the foot and their head explodes

videogame violence is amazing

[Doogle]

Mum let me have Black Ops & Modern Warfare 2, my ONLY games that are above my age limit.

Everyone else I know...just about every game they own is 15/18+ but my mum brought me up well, and she explained she didn't want me playing them because they influence people to do things like murder/steal etc., but she felt I was sensible enough by the age of 13 to not be influenced by any of these things, as they are only games at the end of the day.

But my mum is definitely not a bad parent for letting me have the game, if I went around killing people, I'd only have myself to blame.

[Zippy]

Im not a gamer, thankgod

all that wasted time. I waste enough at this sh!thole. :)

[Vicky.]

I dont think so.

People who do stuff like that just like to blame it on something

[arista]

My first real debate thread.



No in General.


But give GTA4 to a 12 year old
and then you are going very wrong.


GTA4 is Bliss
I can shoot a Fat Cop in the back of his head
get a car and escape.


It is Rated 18
but some mothers do not care.

[Mr XcX]

Im not a gamer, thankgod

all that wasted time. I waste enough at this sh!thole. :)

You are the first FM to make me actually laugh :hugesmile:

I agree. People who play these games need to find something more better to do in their time.

Like Study for a good education!

[arista]

Im not a gamer, thankgod

all that wasted time. I waste enough at this sh!thole. :)


Try GTA4
that is Bliss in Full 1080P Hi Def.


If you have had a Hard days work
Shooting Cops is bliss
you will sleep better



King Arista knows

[Mr XcX]

No in General.


But give GTA4 to a 12 year old
and then you are going very wrong.


GTA4 is Bliss
I can shoot a Fat Cop in the back of his head
get a car and escape.


It is Rated 18
but some mothers do not care.

I agree with your view here.

If people find these games "Bliss" then give them to your child at the age of 18

[arista]

I agree with your view here.

If people find these games "Bliss" then give them to your child at the age of 18


Spiffing

[Mr XcX]

I dont think so.

People who do stuff like that just like to blame it on something

Yes, but people who are in that mind frame may have not gone off to kill people had these games not been created.

[Mr XcX]

Mum let me have Black Ops & Modern Warfare 2, my ONLY games that are above my age limit.

Everyone else I know...just about every game they own is 15/18+ but my mum brought me up well, and she explained she didn't want me playing them because they influence people to do things like murder/steal etc., but she felt I was sensible enough by the age of 13 to not be influenced by any of these things, as they are only games at the end of the day.

But my mum is definitely not a bad parent for letting me have the game, if I went around killing people, I'd only have myself to blame.

13 is still pretty young. IMO.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

nv75xWXTGbY

:lovedup:

[arista]

No, lack of role models, education and opportunities do.

Video game publishers have nothing to apologise for.


Yes they need Awards



Parents are to blame in some cases.

[Doogle]

13 is still pretty young. IMO.

To be honest though, it varies. I'm sensible, a lot of people my age are not.

[Vicky.]

Yes, but people who are in that mind frame may have not gone off to kill people had these games not been created.

Well yeah they still would have most likely.

Would have just blamed it on a film or a tv series or something instead of the game :/

[arista]

Well yeah they still would have most likely.

Would have just blamed it on a film or a tv series or something instead of the game :/


Yes Chucky Film was blammed

[Mr XcX]

nv75xWXTGbY

:lovedup:

What a lovely scene. Dead Space is an exception because I do play on that.

We need games that teach you live skills and educate you not one where you can be murdered.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

What a lovely scene. Dead Space is an exception because I do play on that.

We need games that teach you live skills and educate you not one where you can be murdered.

dead space is like one of the most violent games ever made make your mind up :laugh3:

[Mr XcX]

Violent Games cause Violent People.

If you asked someone what an AK-47 was 20 years ago. No one would know but now 8 year olds do!!

This is because of the violent video games created.

[Josy]

I know what I am talking about.

Drive by shootings where caused by GTA.
Also, Manhunter caused many murders.

Drive bys were happening long before gta.

I agree with what a few others have said, they may put ideas into a some peoples heads but those people were probably a bit messed up in the first place and would have commited a crime at some point wether they played video games or not.

[Zippy]

chicken/egg

[Doogle]

Violent Games cause Violent People.

If you asked someone what an AK-47 was 20 years ago. No one would know but now 8 year olds do!!

This is because of the violent video games created.
Yeah, but there's a difference between knowing what an AK-47 is and using an AK-47.
:spin:

[Stu]

Im not a gamer, thankgod

all that wasted time. I waste enough at this sh!thole. :)
I fail to see how engaging in an act one enjoys could be seen as a waste of time.

Anyway ... don't feed the troll etc.

[Mr XcX]

dead space is like one of the most violent games ever made make your mind up :laugh3:

No! Dead Space is a thrilling Science Fiction game which keeps you interested. 10 / 10

I doubt anyone is going to walk about like a Necromorph and start killing people.

[Mr XcX]

Drive bys were happening long before gta.

I agree with what a few others have said, they may put ideas into a some peoples heads but those people were probably a bit messed up in the first place and would have commited a crime at some point wether they played video games or not.

I mean Drive Bys where increased by 20% after GTA.

[Shaun]

Only in the same way that reading about a violent crime in, say, a newspaper, or true-crime novels, or documentaries, would - by inadvertently giving the psychotic ideas. That's not to say we should stop from the majority's enjoyment - if anything violence in games/films just reinforces our morals that such acts are wrong.

[Doogle]

I doubt anyone is going to walk about like a Necromorph and start killing people.

I doubt an 8 year old is going to steal cars, shoot cops and run over random people but yet you still don't think they should be playing GTA4.

[Stu]

I wonder how much good video games have done in terms of amount of hours spent inside nerding it up over being out on the street getting hammered and humping parked cars.

[Mr XcX]

I doubt an 8 year old is going to steal cars, shoot cops and run over random people but yet you still don't think they should be playing GTA4.

Jamie Bulger.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

fallout does make me hope for a nuclear apocalypse though

it looks so cool

/relevant

[Iceman]

No, people might get some ideas from it, but those who actually go and do it would have done regardless, its a cop out to say the games did it.

[Tom4784]

No, people cause violent crime. Games are just an excuse politicians use to gain votes and for parents to shift the blame. It really annoys me when people blame a game, music, films, TV, books ETC as it takes the blame away from the guilty party. If someone raises a gun or a weapon and uses it then it's own their own heads. No one else is to blame but themselves.

If someone has the capacity to kill then the problem's existed long before the game came onto the scene.

[Shaun]

can someone plz fix the thread title. "Do" and not all capital letters. ty.

-recognises the irony of what I just said-

[Tom4784]

What a lovely scene. Dead Space is an exception because I do play on that.

We need games that teach you live skills and educate you not one where you can be murdered.

How hypocritical, don't you carve up creatures into bits in that game? You can't take a stance against violent games and then say some are okay because they are not realistic. It's all or nothing otherwise anything you say becomes pointless.

[Stu]

If you beat the prostitutes up you can get your money back.

[Tom4784]

Jamie Bulger.

GTA wasn't around then. Next?

[Mr XcX]

GTA wasn't around then. Next?

I think you have missed the point.

He said what can 8 year olds do exposed to this kind of violence in video games and I was stating that it could cause other Jamie Bulgar killing.

Next?

[Mr XcX]

can someone plz fix the thread title. "Do" and not all capital letters. ty.

-recognises the irony of what I just said-

Well FYI I got 12 A* - A grades for my GCSE.

Plus was in the TOP 2% of the Country for GCSE English Lang and Lit.

So the title remains the same. :hugesmile:

[BB_Eye]

Yes they need Awards



Parents are to blame in some cases.
Indeed, hence the lack of role models.

Alright, I'm pulling no punches here. Usually it's the sorts of terrible parents who decide to have a kid before learning the most elementary techniques of raising one worth **** who will be the first to externalise and blame other things in the world for their kids turning into brats that hate them. Stories about the links between videogames and violent criminality are manufactured to cater to this 'poor me' complex in parents who despise their own children.

It's the same principle as the hysterical idiots who bought into the story about the MMR vaccine being linked to autism against all the contradictory evidence. Gosh forbid autism could be genetically inherited or that behaviourable problems linked to autism and ADD can be manageable in a supportive family environment and are not the product of some modern day demonic possession.

[Tom4784]

I think you have missed the point.

He said what can 8 year olds do exposed to this kind of violence in video games and I was stating that it could cause other Jamie Bulgar killing.

Next?

Playing a flight simulator badly could have given terrorists the idea for 9/11, see I can match unrelated things to each other too. The fact is by even supporting this ridiculous theory you're willingly taking blame away from the perpetrators. You're essentially giving them an excuse and that's not acceptable in my book. Violent people cause violent crimes because of their own issues, a game can't make people do anything, If someone goes out and murders someone in cold blood then it was their choice to do so. Whether they played GTA4 or My Little Pony beforehand is meaningless. They chose to do it at the end of the day, the crime is on their conscience.

[Shaun]

Well FYI I got 12 A* - A grades for my GCSE.

Plus was in the TOP 2% of the Country for GCSE English Lang and Lit.

So the title remains the same. :hugesmile:

and you're doing so well to be an ambassador to the language as well...

[Mr XcX]

and you're doing so well to be an ambassador to the language as well...

Thank you Shaun.

I am amazing I know.

[BB_Eye]

I think you have missed the point.

He said what can 8 year olds do exposed to this kind of violence in video games and I was stating that it could cause other Jamie Bulgar killing.

Next?
Jamie Bulger's killers were not influenced by videogames. They were said to have watched the movie Childs Play 3. In any case, to assume that movie had anything to do with Jon Venables already disturbed mental state is naive in the extreme.

[Shaun]

Is it damp under that bridge of yours? <_<

[Mr XcX]

Playing a flight simulator badly could have given terrorists the idea for 9/11, see I can match unrelated things to each other too. The fact is by even supporting this ridiculous theory you're willingly taking blame away from the perpetrators. You're essentially giving them an excuse and that's not acceptable in my book. Violent people cause violent crimes because of their own issues, a game can't make people do anything, If someone goes out and murders someone in cold blood then it was their choice to do so. Whether they played GTA4 or My Little Pony beforehand is meaningless. They chose to do it at the end of the day, the crime is on their conscience.

Sorry, I disagree.

I believe these games do cause Violent Crimes.

[Mr XcX]

Jamie Bulger's killers were not influenced by videogames. They were said to have watched the movie Childs Play 3. In any case, to assume that movie had anything to do with Jon Venables already disturbed mental state is naive in the extreme.

I was saying that 8 year olds who watch these games could do another Jamie Bulgar.

[Tom4784]

Sorry, I disagree.

I believe these games do cause Violent Crimes.

Well that's my argument soundly beaten, I might as well pack up and go home and the strength of that.

[Tom4784]

I was saying that 8 year olds who watch these games could do another Jamie Bulgar.

The media doesn't give people the capacity for murder, if someone's going to torture a child to death then something's wrong with them, not an unrelated element.

Your trolling attempts are getting quite dull.

[arista]

GTA wasn't around then. Next?


No it was the video Chucky

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

*childs play

[Mr XcX]

The media doesn't give people the capacity for murder, if someone's going to torture a child to death then something's wrong with them, not an unrelated element.

Your trolling attempts are getting quite dull.

I am sorry Dezzy but just because I have an opinion you do not agree with you pull out the troll card.

Do you not agree that these Violent Games cause crimes?

Yes or No.

[Iceman]

I am sorry Dezzy but just because I have an opinion you do not agree with you pull out the troll card.

Do you not agree that these Violent Games cause crimes?

Yes or No.

No there is no proof of this.

[Tom4784]

No it was the video Chucky

Again, if violent media could truly cause violent tendencies then we'd see a huge increase of violent crimes. Instead of looking for scapegoats when it coems to crime we should be looking at the psychology of criminal in question.

Complaining about a game or film does **** all for anybody in the long run.

[Mr XcX]

Dead Space IMO is acceptable for an 18 rated game because it is purely Fiction and is a real Science Fiction Thriller.

Where games like GTA puts the player in real life situations where the person can MURDER innocent civilians and face no consequences.

[Tom4784]

I am sorry Dezzy but just because I have an opinion you do not agree with you pull out the troll card.

Do you not agree that these Violent Games cause crimes?

Yes or No.

I'm pulling out the troll card because you've got previous and you're making quite inflammatory remarks in this topic with no basis or reason. You're looking for a reaction.

I've already destroyed your points with my previous posts so I won't bother repeating myself.

[Mr XcX]

No there is no proof of this.

Well it is strangely coincidental that when GTA was released there was an increase in drive by shooting.

The games cause vulnerable people to commit crime.

[Tom4784]

Dead Space IMO is acceptable for an 18 rated game because it is purely Fiction and is a real Science Fiction Thriller.

Where games like GTA puts the player in real life situations where the person can MURDER innocent civilians and face no consequences.

Because people can murder civilians in real life and face no conesquence right? GTA is far from realistic and you're a hypocrite for allowing one type of violence but not another.

[Iceman]

Well it is strangely coincidental that when GTA was released there was an increase in drive by shooting.

The games cause vulnerable people to commit crime.

Vulnerable people commit crime regardless, your whole argument is flawed.

[Mr XcX]

I will welcome everyones opinion.
IMO these games cause crime and pray's on the vulnerable to do so.

I can see that it is not 100% the game that does this but the parents also play a part too.

[Vicky.]

Video games do not 'cause' violent crimes.

If anything, they prevent them, because the people who would be out doing ****, get to do it without leaving the house. Eg. chavs and such :)

[Mr XcX]

Because people can murder civilians in real life and face no conesquence right? GTA is far from realistic and you're a hypocrite for allowing one type of violence but not another.

There is nothing wrong shooting evil Ailens with deformed limbs etc.

Where on GTA you can murder police officers etc.

I cannot see where my argument is flawed?

[Patrick]

I've been playing Grand Theft Auto since I was 5 Years old.

And I haven't stolen a car or killed someone.
Infact the only thing that's ever given me thoughts of killing is Scream.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i've been playing grand theft auto since i was 5 years old.

And i haven't stolen a car or killed someone.
Infact the only thing that's ever given me thoughts of killing is scream.

D:

[Tom4784]

There is nothing wrong shooting evil Ailens with deformed limbs etc.

Where on GTA you can murder police officers etc.

I cannot see where my argument is flawed?

It's still violent, you've spent this topic denouncing violent games yet you are championing this one. You are a hypocrite.

[Mr XcX]

Vulnerable people commit crime regardless, your whole argument is flawed.

No they do not. There are many vulnerable people out there and they do not commit crime because they have not been exposed to any of these images.

[Iceman]

No they do not. There are many vulnerable people out there and they do not commit crime because they have not been exposed to any of these images.

listen go whistle this **** at someone else, your wrong im right now jog on.

[Mr XcX]

It's still violent, you've spent this topic denouncing violent games yet you are championing this one. You are a hypocrite.

No, I am Championing games where they are far from reality.

If there are to be violent games in todays society then games like dead space are the real main areas they should be made as IMO it is far from reality and would make less crime.

[Vicky.]

-Would love to see the world as simply as some do-

[Mr XcX]

listen go whistle this **** at someone else, your wrong im right now jog on.

Okay, I will let others give their point of view.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

1&feature=fvwp

/bate

[Patrick]

I wish life was like The Sims :love:
We would all have Green Diamonds on our heads :amazed:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

oh video embed fail

[Tom4784]

No, I am Championing games where they are far from reality.

If there are to be violent games in todays society then games like dead space are the real main areas they should be made as IMO it is far from reality and would make less crime.

You have not convinced me that you aren't a hypocrite. Violence on Necromorphs is still more visceral then anything you'd see on the likes of GTA4.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

You have not convinced me that you aren't a hypocrite. Violence on Necromorphs is still more visceral then anything you'd see on the likes of GTA4.

http://www.visceralgames.com/home.action

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[Mr XcX]

I wish life was like The Sims :love:
We would all have Green Diamonds on our heads :amazed:

The Sims is okay I suppose

[Doogle]

Ah The Sims is brilliant.
People can die on that though but you don't see people building pools and removing the ladders in reality. ;)

[Patrick]

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/439144

lol. x

[Ramsay]

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/439144

lol. x

:joker: was just about to link that

[Stu]

On the subject of a zombie apocalypse seeming like fun it genuinly does come across like that. Provided I had no friends or family bring it on. Anything like Dead Rising and it'll be a great laugh because apparently you have plenty of time to crossdress.

[Niall]

I play CoD and I don't get the urge to grab the nearest gun and go and shoot people. So no I don't think they cause violent people at all. :/

[Mystic Mock]

No it doesnt,parents just want to make that excuse up if there child committed a serious crime because they cant accept that there child is a psychopath.

But I do think Violent Video Games do make underaged people like more gore than they probably should.:joker:

[Niall]

But I do think Violent Video Games do make underaged people like more gore than they probably should.:joker:

I don't think they worry about them liking the gore. Its the de-sensitisation from the whole thing they worry about.

Its stupid anyways. :bored:

[Mystic Mock]

Well it is strangely coincidental that when GTA was released there was an increase in drive by shooting.

The games cause vulnerable people to commit crime.

Have you ever thought because theres more humans on this planet in these last 10 to 15 years is why theres more drive by shooting?

[Tom4784]

More Drive by shootings = More gang activity. Gangs existed long before GTA and they'll exist long after. It's just another weak argument.

[Stu]

I imagine somehow gun control should be the big issue with drive by shooting. Not GTA.

Then again the OP is a noted troll so I don't know why I'm even pointing this out.

[Benjamin]

I think in rare cases violent games (and violent films) are the trigger for a few unstable people, which then makes them mimic what they have watched/played.

I wouldn't say that it effects the majority though or many of us would be gun touting maniacs, which we are not.

[T*]

I think it is a yes for people under 18, because I remember there being 2 13 yr olds killing a toddler because they watched childs play. I think its fine for over 18s. Austrialia has banned mortal kombat from being imported, sold or played.

[Stu]

You can't just say 'yes' and leave it at that. No widely accepted link has ever been either proven or accepted by any reputable scientific paper.

It's also crazy that your basing your argument on age. Twenty year olds are just as likely to go nuts as a ten year old. You can't just prop your argument up on the fact that two thirteen year olds just happened to kill someone after watching Child's Play.

It's akin to me saying that because some ageing man off the coast of Venezuela choked on a piece of orange that ergo oranges are dangerous, cause fatalities, and must be banned.

As for Australia they are a second world, weird little corner of the globe in terms of censorship. The citizens there are getting tired of it and eventually they will catch up with the rest of us with relation to freedom of expression in the media and arts.

[Scarlett.]

I think it is a yes for people under 18, because I remember there being 2 13 yr olds killing a toddler because they watched childs play. I think its fine for over 18s. Austrialia has banned mortal kombat from being imported, sold or played.

I played violent games like GTA and horror games like Resi and Silent Hill since I was a kid, they haven't affected me none. Probably because I had PARENTAL guidance and wasnt just allowed to be sat in front of something by myself.

[Tom4784]

I think it is a yes for people under 18, because I remember there being 2 13 yr olds killing a toddler because they watched childs play. I think its fine for over 18s. Austrialia has banned mortal kombat from being imported, sold or played.

Yes, because we all know about that scene where Chucky turns to the camera and tells the viewers to go out and murder people...

People go out and kill other people, not films, not games. By even giving the idea that they do a second of our thoughts we're pretty much saying 'it's okay that you've mutilated someone, just find some unrelated film or game to blame it on'. Films and games can't make us do anything, if we choose a course of action then it's a choice WE'VE made consciously.

If you want to play the blame game then blame the parents who never taught their kids right from wrong or noticed that they might be, you know, psychotic?

[Stu]

It's absoloutely amazing that as a species we are willing to absolve ourselves of so much. We are conscious creatures who are either ****ed from the start or have been givin ample chance to form our own moral foundations.

Not robots who can be programmed at will by the arts to go out and destroy things.

[Mr XcX]

I think it is a yes for people under 18, because I remember there being 2 13 yr olds killing a toddler because they watched childs play. I think its fine for over 18s. Austrialia has banned mortal kombat from being imported, sold or played.

Thank you.

I do believe Games causes Violence.

[RichardG]

Some people will be influenced by violent video games, yes, no doubt about it. They're not the direct cause for any incidents happening in real life though. The person has to be a little messed up already to then be influenced by the game so much that they would then act the things out in real life. Millions and millions of people play violent games all the time but are perfectly normal people with no constant thoughts of killing anyone who isn't a pixel on a tv/computer screen.

[Scarlett.]

Thank you.

I do believe Games causes Violence.

I agree, I mean everyone knows Sim City inspired the Nazi's

[Mr XcX]

I agree, I mean everyone knows Sim City inspired the Nazi's

Did it.

[Livia]

I believe young people are far more switched-on that some give them credit for. The vast majority of people, whatever age they may be, know from a very young age the difference between reality and make-believe as well as they know the difference between right and wrong. Some terrible things have been done by people who wish to excuse their behaviour and blame it on an outside source like films or games, anything so they don't have to take responsibility for their actions. It's a cop-out. I suggest that the people who perpetrate violent crime wouldn't have done things any differently if they had never watched a violent film or played a violent game.

Violence is inherent in human beings. If you want to know about real horrific horror and violence, don't look at games and fiction, look at history.