This whole Osama bin Laden story stinks! I smell a rat. Who's with me?

[Liberty4eva]

Personally, I think this is an excellent example of how a falsehood can become established truth. Like the Oklahoma City Bombing, 9/11, and 7/7, when the event actually happens there are a few brave independent thinkers who challenge the story but they can't compete with the corporate media who have a broad audience and all dutifully parrot the official story night after night and day after day. Then when the interest fades and the masses get tired of the story and move onto other things then the lie becomes sealed as established truth. Anyone who challenges the official story at that point is looked upon as a cook.

So before we get to the point where the interest fades and this story of bin Laden's last stand becomes established truth, let me say I think the whole thing stinks. I don't believe a word of it. It sounds all too good to be true. Hiding behind his wife? Being asked to surrender? Intellegence from Guantanamo Bay playing a role? And, best of all, ditching the body into the ocean because allegedly no country would take his remains and they wanted to honor Islamic burial procedures? And guess what: I've heard they've even decided to write a book about the whole operation! You'll be able to buy your copy this July! Besides shamelessly making a few bucks, this book will invariably be used to further plant the lie in people's minds.

Until I see ONE reporter look a government official in the eye and ask, in a starkly serious and somber tone, why in the world did you dump his body in the ocean hours after killing him when you spent TEN YEARS and a lot of money trying to get it, they're all lapdogs in my eyes.

As stupid and incompetent as our government officials may be, they must have been aware that there would be people like myself who would not believe bin Laden died in this manner until his body was put into public display and independent doctors were allowed to examine it. They must have known that hastily dumping the body into the ocean where obviously no one would be able to examine it would make some people in the Middle East think that he's still alive, like some people still think Elvis is alive or Hitler is still alive. And it'll be even worse because at least it's still presumably possible to access Elvis's remains.

So before this latest lie becomes established truth, if anyone wants to voice their suspicions then do so now. This is the time when people will have the maximum amount of interest in the story and the maximum amount of open-mindedness. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

I smell a rat! Who's with me?

[CharlieO]

I dont believe it to be honest. it just so happens that he was killed on an american 3 year economical low?? hitlers death days as well? and they dispose of the evidence straight after it happened?

too fishy for my liking and if what i think is true it worked american stock markets rocketed after this incident. Until legit pictures come out or i see an interview im not believing it.

The burial at sea is being blamed on islamic law, we saw Sadam why couldn't we have seen Osama?? because its bull s**te

Also it could be a plan to actually locate him, if they say he is dead and he isn't it could trigger him to make another video which america could use to know where he is or if he is actually alive or died in a non america related way?

oh and how could america have actually proved it was him before killing him without looking at DNA properly?? Or had a massive investigation, i either doubt the whole thing or whether it actually happened a couple of days ago.

[joeysteele]

I hope he is dead,but I have my doubts and really they have created this suspicion by disposing of his body so quickly.

They say he was identified by one of his wives, that's a strong piece of evidence I think not. I don't really know on this one, I hope he is gone but like the OP I have a lot of doubts.
I would have thought many and long tests would have been done to ensure that he was Bin Laden they killed which certainly would have taken more like days than a couple of hours.

On the other side, would the USA if they had any uncertainty as to it being him, want to expose themselves to the ridicule if it was proven he wasn't in the future.
What though did they not want the World to see or find out on this.It's odd.

[Liberty4eva]

I dont believe it to be honest. it just so happens that he was killed on an american 3 year economical low?? hitlers death days as well? and they dispose of the evidence straight after it happened?

too fishy for my liking and if what i think is true it worked american stock markets rocketed after this incident. Until legit pictures come out or i see an interview im not believing it.
Also it could be a plan to actually locate him, if they say he is dead and he isn't it could trigger him to make another video which america could use to know where he is or if he is actually alive or died in a non america related way?

oh and how could america have actually proved it was him before killing him without looking at DNA properly?? Or had a massive investigation, i either doubt the whole thing or whether it actually happened a couple of days ago.

Oh they'll have pictures. I'll bet you 100 dollars or pounds (take your pick) they will release a picture or pictures of some corpse that either looks vaguely like Osama from a distance or the guy's face will be so damaged that there will be no way to verify that it is him. They'll absolutely have something. Some of us may remember a video of "Osama's" confession was very luckily found in Afghanistan.

The guy looked kind of like Osama from a distance but when you zoomed in the guy looked obviously different from the real Osama (see below).

http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/images/Osama_faces_2.jpg

They'll absolutely have pictures. It's not hard to find someone who kind of has Osama's facial features and make him look like Osama like this phoney Osama in the above picture. They'll absolutely have pictures. The thing is it won't be the real Osama.

[arista]

Film of the attack will be out soon.

The Problem in Pakistan is many Police are connected to Terror Gangs.
So no way were they told until after he was dead.


His Body is a problem
so it had to go under the Sea.

Terror Attacks are going to come.
Bin Laden had some planned.



His Last Big Attack was those Pakistani Machine Gun men
in Mumbai India.

[Liberty4eva]

Film of the attack will be out soon.
The Problem in Pakistan is many Police are connected to Terror Gangs.
So no way were they told until after he was dead.


His Body is a problem
so it had to go under the Sea.

Terror Attacks are going to come.
Bin Laden had some planned.



His Last Big Attack was those Pakistani Machine Gun men
in Mumbai India.

Kind of like the fake video of Osama's confession? Note that the man in the following video kind of looks like Osama from a distance but when you zoom in (like the picture in my previous comment) he doesn't look like Osama.

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We're gonna get another fake video like the one above.

[arista]

You can spend your Life
with Fake visions.


This thread is part of being Fake.

He is Dead
Now we Hunt Number 2

[Ammi]

I don't know if he's alive or dead but I don't believe what we're being told is what actually happened. What was the point of taking his body, presumably as proof of his death and then dumping it in the ocean. He may be dead but I don't believe it was this weekend in this way. I'm sure we'll have a huge Hollywood movie in the making soon showing how amazing the operation was, but in truth the Americans usually completely **** these things up.

[Judas]

Hmm, I never really believe these theories, and haven't paused to think about it deeply. It does seem very suspicious, surely they wouldn't be that bothered about following islamic burial traditions...

[Niamh.]

I smell a rat. Dumped his body at sea? no way, I don't buy it. I have no idea what did actually happen but I don't believe this.

[Barbie]

It for me was all fine until they buried his body at sea. Respect islamic laws when its Osama? come on! surely they wouldn't have cared too much about that side of things, also Saddam wasnt just buried at sea. That makes the whole thing suspicious. If it wasn't Osama then he will probably make another video or at least make it known he was alive, there wouldn't be much point in him just pretending to go along with it because if america didnt kill him then he will still be being hunted down surely?

[Tom4784]

I think he's dead, it would be a hugely risky lie that could blow up in America's face if he turned out to be alive. It's just too easy for something to go wrong to be a lie in my eyes.

[Niamh.]

I think he's dead, it would be a hugely risky lie that could blow up in America's face if he turned out to be alive. It's just too easy for something to go wrong to be a lie in my eyes.

I do think he's dead, I just don't think it happened the way they say it did and maybe they still have his body or maybe that they have him but he's still alive..........-conspiracy theory overdrive-

[Grimnir]

sometimes people don't like to ask questions because they fear what the answer and the truth will be

if you have questions about the alleged "bin laden is DEAD" story then you should watch this video

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then do some of your own research and watch the full movie and decide for yourself what is the truth and what is lies

[Niamh.]

Oh..I'm going to take a look at that on my lunch break Grimnir

[Jordan.]

I do believe he is dead but I don't believe fully what they said happened and how they got rid of his body.

Spend 10 years trying to find someone just to kill them and throw them in the sea, hmm.

[Niamh.]

Just watched that video grimnir, It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it were true.

[Locke.]

Obviously everything that has been said isn't true, nothing ever is. But Bin Laden is dead and the details don't really matter.

[GiRTh]

I'm starting to doubt this now. Apparently The Rock knew about this hous before any of the news networks. How can he have access to such top level information?

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/05/the_rock_osama_bin_laden_keith_urbahn.php

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/the_rock_knew_about_bin_laden.html

[Niamh.]

I'm starting to doubt this now. Apparently The Rock knew about this hous before any of the news networks. How can he have access to such top level information?

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/05/the_rock_osama_bin_laden_keith_urbahn.php

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/the_rock_knew_about_bin_laden.html

Seriously? Wtf:shocked:

[\PJ/]

We will never be told the full truth about anything, we are always kept in the dark, but I do think he is dead.

[GiRTh]

Seriously? Wtf:shocked:I know. Somethings not right about this.

[Scarlett.]

Obviously Bin Laden was killed earlier than we thought, which was to be expected anyway

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I guess his body was put in the sea so his followers wont worship his dead body.

I think as sick as it sounds at least have a photo of the body, not enough proof that he is dead.

[MTVN]

Well two reasons have been given for his burial at sea, the first one is that they didnt want his grave to become a shrine which makes sense, the other is that they didnt want to waste time negotiating with countries to bury him on their land, Islamic burials are meant to take place soon after the victim is dead and Saudi Arabia reportedly refused to take the body.

I dont necessarily completely swallow the official line, but I'm not going to insantly leap to some conspiracy theory based merely on a couple of suspicions. I'll reserve judgement, it's only been a day and a half or so since it happened, pointless trying to jump to conclusions now.

[Iceman]

I'm starting to doubt this now. Apparently The Rock knew about this hous before any of the news networks. How can he have access to such top level information?

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/05/the_rock_osama_bin_laden_keith_urbahn.php

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/the_rock_knew_about_bin_laden.html

Yeah I was reading his tweets trying to figure out what he meant when he posted that

[Vicky.]

Somethings weird about it all.

Personally I think hes been dead a while. The timing of this announcement is just too convenient tbh :/

[Iceman]

Somethings weird about it all.

Personally I think hes been dead a while. The timing of this announcement is just too convenient tbh :/

Yeah plus he hadn't released a video in a few years.....I think he died maybe 2-3 years ago.

[BB_Eye]

His spirit is still here to haunt us.

[arista]

His spirit is still here to haunt us.


Only for those that trusted him.


His Number 2 Takes over
who is also being hunted to be Killed.

[Shaun]

Somethings weird about it all.

Personally I think hes been dead a while. The timing of this announcement is just too convenient tbh :/

What's convenient about it being now?

[Iceman]

Only for those that trusted him.


His Number 2 Takes over
who is also being hunted to be Killed.

So maybe by 2021 they'll get him?

[arista]

Somethings weird about it all.

Personally I think hes been dead a while. The timing of this announcement is just too convenient tbh :/


You get like that to Anything, to be honest


It went Down a day back
and Barrack and his Team watched it Live
all of them.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1383074-0BE1F4CF00000578-628_470x489.jpg

Bits of the Helicopter they left to burn


It went down
a day back , for sure.

[arista]

So maybe by 2021 they'll get him?


No they are trying to get him this year.

They want to Hit Hard
while in the Middle East they ask for Democracy not Gun Rule

[Vicky.]

What's convenient about it being now?

Well, from what I could make out from my dad(and Im no use at all with anything economical and that so I might be very very wrong) americas economy is at a 3 year low or something? Pretty sure this announcement will make their stocks etc. skyrocket ;)

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

somebody said on tumblr, a prince and princess get married and an evil villain is killed in the same week its like a fairy tale

i was like nawww :lovedup:

[Rob]

So many conspiracy theories. Pisses me off

[GiRTh]

Maybe its true. A guy on twitter called Reallyvirtual, who lives near where OBL was staying, inadvertenly tweeted the whole thing as it happened. He reported big helicopters in the sky, loud bangs making his windows shake and loads of comotion at around the time when the media claim the attack took place.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/reallyvirtual

[arista]

So many conspiracy theories. Pisses me off


No Rob Laugh at Them.

[letmein]

Liberty, how many times are you going to make the same exact thread? Can't you keep your tin-hattery to one thread?

I'm not surprised that Brits don't believe this. They're still being indoctrinated that the moon landing was faked. Anything to bash America. Typical.

[MTVN]

Liberty, how many times are you going to make the same exact thread? Can't you keep your tin-hattery to one thread?

I'm not surprised that Brits don't believe this. They're still being indoctrinated that the moon landing was faked. Anything to bash America. Typical.

Liberty4eva is American :joker:

[GiRTh]

Liberty4eva is American :joker:

:joker:

[Grimnir]

the us government says they debating whether to release a photo of bin laden corpse, reason against it they say is it might be inflammatory!?

cannot get much more inflammatory then actually shooting him in the head, announcing it to the world with pride and glee and continuous news coverage celebrating it

so why do they hesitate?

never mind photo, why not just release the video from navy seals so everyone can know 100% what happened and zero doubt left

if they did this even i might accept conspiracy is just that and trust them for once

[GypsyGoth]

It will be difficult for them to prove if you already think it's a conspiracy before you see the evidence.

Maybe having a more opened mind might help, so far I don't see a reason to distrust them.

[MTVN]

It will be difficult for them to prove if you already think it's a conspiracy before you see the evidence.

Maybe having a more opened mind might help, so far I don't see a reason to distrust them.

Exactly, people immediately jump to these conspiracy theories before we know for sure what really happened, just because people are naturally suspicious I suppose. I think there will be more evidence released but as of yet I dont really see anything to contradict what we've been told.

[bananarama]

Liberty, how many times are you going to make the same exact thread? Can't you keep your tin-hattery to one thread?

I'm not surprised that Brits don't believe this. They're still being indoctrinated that the moon landing was faked. Anything to bash America. Typical.


No one needs to be indoctrinated the the moon landing was fake. That deception is blindingly obvious.

However with regard to the Bin bloke I believe America on that issue they have killed him.......What they won't tell us is how. Any pictures or video of at sea religious ceromonies will of course be completely fake and a million miles from the truth.....

[Liberty4eva]

It will be difficult for them to prove if you already think it's a conspiracy before you see the evidence.

Maybe having a more opened mind might help, so far I don't see a reason to distrust them.

GypsyGoth, for anyone who says they don't see reason to doubt government on issues like this, I advise you to read into history. History is on the side of the people who doubt the government's story. They lie all the time.

For all the people who have commented pejoratively that this is all a conspiracy theory, firstly I'd say you're right that this is a conspiracy theory. Secondly, I'd ask have you ever heard of Pat Tillman?

Pat Tillman was a former American football player who quit his lucrative multi-million dollar NFL career and joined the army in response to 9/11. He was killed by friendly fire and yet the Pentagon officials lied to his family and the American people and said he was killed by enemy fire to make him look like even more of a hero. This was a conspiracy... that turned out to be right.
http://www.integriousproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pat_tillman_1_.gif
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Those of you who think government would not or is unlikely to lie on an issue like this, you need to look into history and you need to wake up.

[Patrick]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a ******? :bored:

[GypsyGoth]

GypsyGoth, for anyone who says they don't see reason to doubt government on issues like this, I advise you to read into history. History is on the side of the people who doubt the government's story. They lie all the time.

I'm not naive, I know government don't always tell the truth, especially when it comes to issues about a war.

However before they said anything, it seemed like you were calling them liars.

[billy123]

Common sense would dictate that one would wait until enough information was available to make a balanced decision before jumping to any conclusion.
To declare its bullshine WHO IS WITH ME! would just make somebody look stupid time will tell.
Only fools rush in.

[GiRTh]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a ******? :bored:Well, he hasnt got big t*ts so I'm not too surprised that you dont give a sh*t.

[Liberty4eva]

I'm not naive, I know government don't always tell the truth, especially when it comes to issues about a war.

However before they said anything, it seemed like you were calling them liars.

I started openly calling them liars the moment they said they buried him at sea. When they said that I came to the opinion that it was all a farce. Since 9/11 we've spent over 3000 days trying to get this guy. And after all that time once we finally get his body we dump it into the ocean less than 2 hours after announcing we got him? It doesn't add up. It doesn't make any sense.

[Liberty4eva]

Liberty, how many times are you going to make the same exact thread? Can't you keep your tin-hattery to one thread?

I'm not surprised that Brits don't believe this. They're still being indoctrinated that the moon landing was faked. Anything to bash America. Typical.

Ummm, I don't seem to remember making previous threads like this. As far as I'm aware this is the first thread I've started that deals with a conspiracy of any sort. And not that I expect someone like you to put the work into it, it would be helpful if these threads I've supposedly made could be tracked down. I think they only exist in your imagination.

[Stu]

the us government says they debating whether to release a photo of bin laden corpse, reason against it they say is it might be inflammatory!?

cannot get much more inflammatory then actually shooting him in the head, announcing it to the world with pride and glee and continuous news coverage celebrating it

so why do they hesitate?

never mind photo, why not just release the video from navy seals so everyone can know 100% what happened and zero doubt left

if they did this even i might accept conspiracy is just that and trust them for once
People like you have already made their mind up. Videos can be faked. You are invariably going to twist things to suit your preferred view of a high fantasy world where you are one of the few, informed truthseekers.

[Liberty4eva]

Common sense would dictate that one would wait until enough information was available to make a balanced decision before jumping to any conclusion.
To declare its bullshine WHO IS WITH ME! would just make somebody look stupid time will tell.
Only fools rush in.

It seems there are a lot of people here who rush into believing the government story as though it was gospel. I think they're fools also.

[Niamh.]

Well, he hasnt got big t*ts so I'm not too surprised that you dont give a sh*t.

:laugh2:

[joeysteele]

I think he is dead obviously, I can now understand why they disposed of him at sea,so as not to have his burial place a shrine for his followers and some great focal point for the great Martyr.

However the way all this happened seems to have a different twist to the story every time they say something new.So it's understandable people have doubts.

It does have discrepancies in the continuity of the story of the events and so I too have some doubt as to the way it all took place, I remain just glad this really awful person has finally gone from the World.

[Liberty4eva]

I think he is dead obviously, I can now understand why they disposed of him at sea,so as not to have his burial place a shrine for his followers and some great focal point for the great Martyr.
However the way all this happened seems to have a different twist to the story every time they say something new.So it's understandable people have doubts.

It does have discrepancies in the continuity of the story of the events and so I too have some doubt as to the way it all took place, I remain just glad this really awful person has finally gone from the World.

Why do we even have to give some Middle Eastern country his body? Why not take it to the States? You people who believe what the government is telling you are not asking yourselves these types of questions.

[Shasown]

Why do we even have to give some Middle Eastern country his body? Why not take it to the States? You people who believe what the government is telling you are not asking yourselves these types of questions.

Why take it to the States? To parade it round in some media circus, yeah that would go down well both in the West and the Muslim world.

They offered his body back to the country of his birth, he was after all a Saudi citizen. They probably didnt fancy the hassle of burying it and dealing with any potential aftermath so refused, whats so hard to believe?

Doesnt matter what sort of proof they offer, you just wont believe them will you?

[Liberty4eva]

Why take it to the States? To parade it round in some media circus, yeah that would go down well both in the West and the Muslim world.

They offered his body back to the country of his birth, he was after all a Saudi citizen. They probably didnt fancy the hassle of burying it and dealing with any potential aftermath so refused, whats so hard to believe?

Doesnt matter what sort of proof they offer, you just wont believe them will you?

They don't seem that interested in proving they killed Osama bin Laden. If they were interested they would have kept the body and let people examine it. Having the body is the ultimate proof that they killed him and so why be so eager to ditch it into the ocean?

[Shasown]

They don't seem that interested in proving they killed Osama bin Laden. If they were interested they would have kept the body and let people examine it. Having the body is the ultimate proof that they killed him and so why be so eager to ditch it into the ocean?

So as not to be seen to glorify in his death, which in turn would probably have upset a lot of Muslims and swelled recruits to Al Qaeda cause.

The US administration is damned whatever they do, if they show all they are seen as glorifying in his death in turn making him a martyr. If they dont show more evidential proof then the conspiracy nuts like yourself shout about how its all government lies.

No matter what proof they offer now the nuts will say its all doctored. Its a shame you only think about what they have to gain by lying, never what they have to loose.

If Al Qaeda came forward with the body of Bin Laden and said he actually died 6 years ago or whatever, and proved it. It totally destroys the credibility of both this and future US governments. If it wasnt him and he comes forward, same result. You think Obama would risk his administration on that sort of call?

[Tom4784]

I agree with the 'wait for the evidence before you start shrieking out conspiracies' lot. There isn't any proof to support the conspiracy theory outside a questionable disposal which has already been given an explanation and the blanks have just been filled in with wild conjecture and assumptions, like most conspiracies are.

[Grimnir]

the story has completely changed yet again just now

at first they said obama and his team were watching the seal operation in real time, i heard and saw brennan say this in live press conference

now they have said they only saw the approach to the compound and nothing inside

why is it a conspiracy to not believe a story that is constantly changing and their is no proof provided?

[CharlieO]

the story has completely changed yet again just now

at first they said obama and his team were watching the seal operation in real time, i heard and saw brennan say this in live press conference

now they have said they only saw the approach to the compound and nothing inside

why is it a conspiracy to not believe a story that is constantly changing and their is no proof provided?

This.

[Shasown]

This.

Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.

[GiRTh]

Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.This.

To reinforce the part in bold. If they released the pictures with audio people would be able to hear call signs and nicknames used by special forces. All useful information any terrorist watching.

Any pictures released will have to be heavily edited which would again bring cries of conspiracy from many people. They're damned if they do, damned if they dont.

[Grimnir]

US government has told the world they killed Bin Laden on Sunday night.
All we have is their word for it. We have to trust them. There has been no proof provided for us.
Changing the official story over and over and disposing of the body within 12 hours of the kill makes it more difficult to just take their word for it.

The 2 excuses for burial at sea are
Burial within 24 hours in accordance with Islamic tradition
But Bin Laden is not a muslim, he is a terrorist. They are treating him as a muslim and surely this offends true muslims worldwide who hate Bin Laden and terrorists who give Islam bad name.
Second reason is terrorists might set up a shrine and worship his grave. So what! Who cares if they do, he is dead. It would be no different than when terrorists loonies in our country burn poppies. I think we would survive it
If terrorists turned up to his grave then this would have been a great source of intelligence for future.

10 year manhunt and they finally get him, but they get rid of the body and evidence immediately for those 2 reasons, is just stupid if it is true.

[Grimnir]

The Seals went in and when found him they killed him, he was unarmed. Fine, No problem with that really, anyone would do the same probably.

But what i don't understand is a few hours later on some random aircraft carrier, the armed forces give him a respectful Islamic burial at sea. They also happened to have a muslim seaman on board who said a few prayers.

Why they do this? He was terrorist who had killed thousands of americans and also he was not a muslim. Why the respect and why the Islamic burial?

I think Bin Laden died years ago and the raid is fiction. If they say oh we buried him at sea then nobody can say let us see the body and see the evidence.
Although people say conspiracy, this actually makes more sense to me

They also say the reason for not showing photo of dead corpse of Bin Laden is because it might be inflammatory. Well I don't think the terrorists can get any more angry than being told he was killed by US Navy Seals, inside Pakistan without Pakistan knowing, it was in front of his wife and daughter, he was unarmed, they dumped him at sea and america celebrated ever since. A Photo is gonna make them go over the edge is it? Who cares if they get upset and offended, they are terrorists!

[Scarlett.]

The Seals went in and when found him they killed him, he was unarmed. Fine, No problem with that really, anyone would do the same probably.

But what i don't understand is a few hours later on some random aircraft carrier, the armed forces give him a respectful Islamic burial at sea. They also happened to have a muslim seaman on board who said a few prayers.

Why they do this? He was terrorist who had killed thousands of americans and also he was not a muslim. Why the respect and why the Islamic burial?

I think Bin Laden died years ago and the raid is fiction. If they say oh we buried him at sea then nobody can say let us see the body and see the evidence.
Although people say conspiracy, this actually makes more sense to me

They also say the reason for not showing photo of dead corpse of Bin Laden is because it might be inflammatory. Well I don't think the terrorists can get any more angry than being told he was killed by US Navy Seals, inside Pakistan without Pakistan knowing, it was in front of his wife and daughter, he was unarmed, they dumped him at sea and america celebrated ever since. A Photo is gonna make them go over the edge is it? Who cares if they get upset and offended, they are terrorists!

They did it to show respect to another human being, do you think taking him back to America and poking his body would have made the Middle East happy? They did it to show the Middle East that they can show respect to even their greatest enemy, and to show, they're better than them.

[Grimnir]

They did it to show respect to another human being, do you think taking him back to America and poking his body would have made the Middle East happy? They did it to show the Middle East that they can show respect to even their greatest enemy, and to show, they're better than them.

but they did not show it did they, maybe they should have video the burial and show that to the world, then what you say might be believable

i never suggested poking his body or anything like that, i just want to know why they gave a terrorist a muslim burial and why they buried him at sea within 12 hours before anyone seen the body

[Shasown]

but they did not show it did they, maybe they should have video the burial and show that to the world, then what you say might be believable

i never suggested poking his body or anything like that, i just want to know why they gave a terrorist a muslim burial and why they buried him at sea within 12 hours before anyone seen the body

Its called being diplomatic and tactful. They buried him after offering his body back to his native country, they may have offered it to other countries they could trust, their decision.

Under Muslim tradition they are supposed to wash/clean up the body, then bury it as soon as is practicable, which is what they did. They did video the burial but why should they show it to the world, that shows a lack of respect. It would also make targets out of those servicemen involved in the ceremony.

Showing the video of a burial at sea wouldnt lessen the cries of the conspiracy nuts, the body is in a weighted canvas bag, it has words said over it, then goes sliding off a board into the sea.

If they showed the ceremony then the deranged howling of the nuts would only get louder, "why didnt they show us the body?". If they showed photos of the body the cries would be "its a fake photo" or "its not him just someone made up to look like him"!

He stated he was a muslim, being a terrorist doesnt change that, he and others believed he was following the tenets of his faith, or he believed that he could carry out his actions and reconcile his actions with his faith.

Why they accorded him a burial in line with muslim traditions is to show the world that they dont disrespect that particualr religions beliefs, so they cant be accused of hating Muslims or not respecting Islamic tenets.

The only thing they can be picked up for is the fact he was buried at sea only because they cant guarantee he lies facing Mecca, however he wouldnt be the first Muslim "warrior" to be buried at sea or to be buried not completely inline with that faiths beliefs.

[bananarama]

I think most will see that what the Americans have done by dumping him into the sea is nothing more than a piece of political engineering to pretend they are repectfull hoping to minimise the poltical backlash from the world of islam.


Won't work of course. The exremists might be mad but they arn't that stupid. The Americans are like glass you can see straight through them. Still they did a good job of getting rid of the bastard one way or another......

Also avoided the nightmare scenerioes that would have occured if they had taken the rat bag alive and put him on trial......

[Liberty4eva]

Its called being diplomatic and tactful. They buried him after offering his body back to his native country, they may have offered it to other countries they could trust, their decision.

Under Muslim tradition they are supposed to wash/clean up the body, then bury it as soon as is practicable, which is what they did. They did video the burial but why should they show it to the world, that shows a lack of respect. It would also make targets out of those servicemen involved in the ceremony.

Showing the video of a burial at sea wouldnt lessen the cries of the conspiracy nuts, the body is in a weighted canvas bag, it has words said over it, then goes sliding off a board into the sea.

If they showed the ceremony then the deranged howling of the nuts would only get louder, "why didnt they show us the body?". If they showed photos of the body the cries would be "its a fake photo" or "its not him just someone made up to look like him"!

He stated he was a muslim, being a terrorist doesnt change that, he and others believed he was following the tenets of his faith, or he believed that he could carry out his actions and reconcile his actions with his faith.

Why they accorded him a burial in line with muslim traditions is to show the world that they dont disrespect that particualr religions beliefs, so they cant be accused of hating Muslims or not respecting Islamic tenets.

The only thing they can be picked up for is the fact he was buried at sea only because they cant guarantee he lies facing Mecca, however he wouldnt be the first Muslim "warrior" to be buried at sea or to be buried not completely inline with that faiths beliefs.

We have seen no evidence of anything. All we have is this reactionary photo of Obama and his people supposedly looking at a live feed of the operation. The photo is laughable and pathetic, especially Hillary's look of shock.

Shasown, the reason they never release any real credible evidence on things like this is because they know there are people like you who will believe them without releasing any credible evidence.

[joeysteele]

Typical of the American leaders to manage to do the right thing as to ending his life but then to make such a mess of the exercise to explain all the events with continuity as to the actual event.

[Shasown]

We have seen no evidence of anything. All we have is this reactionary photo of Obama and his people supposedly looking at a live feed of the operation. The photo is laughable and pathetic, especially Hillary's look of shock.

Shasown, the reason they never release any real credible evidence on things like this is because they know there are people like you who will believe them without releasing any credible evidence.

LOL. You dont know me very well then do you?

I do know they wouldnt be stupid enough to make up a story that could be easily pulled apart or disproved by a group (Al Quaeda) that would love to claim the downfall of the American Administration by discrediting them.

Simply because people think about things deeper than the average conspiracy nut does and understand the bigger picture doesnt make them gullible. If the US government announced the sun rises in the east you would argue it was the south wouldnt you?

[Liberty4eva]

LOL. You dont know me very well then do you?

I do know they wouldnt be stupid enough to make up a story that could be easily pulled apart or disproved by a group (Al Quaeda) that would love to claim the downfall of the American Administration by discrediting them.

Simply because people think about things deeper than the average conspiracy nut does and understand the bigger picture doesnt make them gullible. If the US government announced the sun rises in the east you would argue it was the south wouldnt you?

I know you a lot more than you realize because I once was as gullible as you. In some respects I'd wager I'd know you more than yourself.

Did you even bother looking into the Pat Tillman story I mentioned earlier? They knowly lied about this man's death and they got caught. So what are going to tell me now? That they've learned their lesson and now know that lying and deceiving the American people about issues like this is wrong? If you thought this through as much as you think you have, you'd realize that if they've done it before and didn't get punished (cause nobody was fired) then they're not beneath trying it again.

If the government announced the sun rises in the east, I'd say the sun rises in the South (kidding). Actually, I wouldn't think the sun rises in the South because I see evidence to the contrary every single day of my life. I have seen no evidence that he's dead. But I believe he's dead and my gut says he's been dead for years now.

[Liberty4eva]

Guess they're not even releasing photos of Osama at least for the time being. People who say that they're not doing this because it would inflame Middle Eastern people need to do an internet search of American (or maybe even British) troops mistreating the native inhabitants of these countries. You'll find so many ghastly images any terrorist recruiter will have no problem finding powerful images. So what bloody difference does it make to have a photo of Osama with a bullet in his head? And I believe, on the contrary, that an image of Osama with a bullet in his head would deter terrorists. It would show young people in the Middle East a valuable lesson: carry out terrorist actions against the United States and one way or another we will get you. I can't understand how seeing an image of a terrorist with a bullet in his head will make people want to become terrorists. It's illogical and irrational. Maybe one of you sheeple can tell me where I'm wrong with that.

All we have is their word and the media is reporting their word as though it was gospel. Even I am surprised at how bold the federal government is in declaring Osama dead and not thinking they have an obligation to provide any proof whatsoever. Not only that, they supposedly ditched the one piece of evidence that can't be faked: the body.

Someone said that there will always be people who accuse the government of faking pictures or videos and that's why it makes no sense to ditch the one definitive piece of evidence that proves he's dead. There will always be people who doubt the official story but how they've handled it has now insured that many more will doubt it. Far from killing him, in some respects they'll make him immortal because there will now be a lot more people who think that he's still alive. The only way that I can see ditching the body makes a bit of sense is if they didn't actually have the body.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

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Ummm, move the camera! :amazed:

Lol rage much? :joker: he's crazy!

[arista]

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Ummm, move the camera! :amazed:

Lol rage much? :joker: he's crazy!



He is Anal
keeps going on about ******s,

[Zippy]

Im just sick of them boasting about this as if its a huge success and shows the US to have highly intelligent services that can hunt down anybody anywhere...blahblah

er...TEN YEARS!

seems your intelligence is a bit slooooooow. Better late than never but its nothing to brag about taking that long(and spending billions) to do a job that should have been done 10 years back.

Seems people are easily fooled into seeing a blatant fail as a huge success. Nice PR spin.

[MTVN]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

Al-Qaeda has confirmed the death of its leader Osama Bin Laden, according to a statement attributed to the group and posted on jihadist internet forums.

The statement said his blood would not be "wasted" and that al-Qaeda would continue attacking the US and allies.

Bin Laden's death would be a "curse" for the US and urged an uprising in Pakistan, the statement added.

The militant was shot dead on Monday when US commandos stormed his compound in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad.

The raid was carried out without the prior knowledge of the Pakistani authorities, increasing tension between the two countries.

Several rallies are being held across Pakistan on Friday in protest.

The statement published on jihadist web forums said an audiotape would be released of the al-Qaeda leader speaking a week before his death.

"[Osama Bin Laden's blood] will remain, with permission from Allah, the Almighty, a curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries," it warned.

"Their happiness will turn into sorrow, and their blood will be mixed with their tears. We call upon our Muslim people in Pakistan, on whose land Sheikh Osama was killed, to rise up and revolt."


The statement appeared on jihadist web forums Correspondents say many Pakistanis are angry at what they see as a US infringement of their country's sovereignty.

They are also critical of Pakistan's government for allowing the commando operation to happen, although officials deny they were told.

Around 1,000 people gathered in central Abbottabad following Friday prayers, AFP news agency reported.

They set fire to tyres, blocked a main road and shouted "Down, down USA!" and "terrorist, terrorist, USA terrorist".

Anti-American sentiment also appeared to be high at a similar protest in the south-western city of Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan province.

However, a BBC correspondent in Rawalpindi says the anti-US protest there was much smaller than expected with about 50 people turning up

[Liberty4eva]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

Great, so now the evidence we have is the government's word and an alleged al Qaeda statement posted in a "jihad forum". Well, it was from a poster who claimed he was al qaeda so it must be al qaeda. There's no way anyone in government would set up a fake account and claim to be al qaeda and anyone who thinks such a thing was possible is most likely a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. Case closed, me thinks.

Look, MTVN, I know in your mind this is credible evidence but it's just not good enough. I'm tempted (though I think I might get into trouble) to get a new user name called Alqaeda and post a thread which "confirms" his death.

Maybe you should examine this quote from the Washington Post dated May 25, 2010. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html)

The [CIA's Office of Technical Services] actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.


A credible newspaper reporting that the CIA made a fake bin Laden video tape. Far more credible and worthy of attention than a statement from an internet forum does, me thinks. So you tell me: would a group that faked a bin Laden tape be beneath posting fake internet statments?

Does this have any affect on you? Does that change your standards for evidence in believing bin Laden died in the manner described in any way at all? They're admitting to faking video evidence. I'd wager diamond to dollar that this little bit of information I've just given you, free of charge, is goint to go in one ear and out the other.

To be honest, the credibility of the government is so bad that the only thing that could confirm bin Laden's death is possession of his body and allowing the media to examine it unedited. And they say they ditched the body. Brilliant.

[MTVN]

Great, so now the evidence we have is the government's word and an alleged al Qaeda statement posted in a "jihad forum". Well, it was from a poster who claimed he was al qaeda so it must be al qaeda. There's no way anyone in government would set up a fake account and claim to be al qaeda and anyone who thinks such a thing was possible is most likely a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. Case closed, me thinks.

Look, MTVN, I know in your mind this is credible evidence but it's just not good enough. I'm tempted (though I think I might get into trouble) to get a new user name called Alqaeda and post a thread which "confirms" his death.

Maybe you should examine this quote from the Washington Post dated May 25, 2010. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html)



A credible newspaper reporting that the CIA made a fake bin Laden video tape. Far more credible and worthy of attention than a statement from an internet forum does, me thinks. So you tell me: would a group that faked a bin Laden tape be beneath posting fake internet statments?

Does this have any affect on you? Does that change your standards for evidence in believing bin Laden died in the manner described in any way at all? They're admitting to faking video evidence. I'd wager diamond to dollar that this little bit of information I've just given you, free of charge, is goint to go in one ear and out the other.

To be honest, the credibility of the government is so bad that the only thing that could confirm bin Laden's death is possession of his body and allowing the media to examine it unedited. And they say they ditched the body. Brilliant.

I love how, by thinking you're this enlightened genius, you try and be all condescending but just end up making ridiculous statements and claims. Sure, the statements authenticity is not yet confirmed but it was posted on a jihadist website where Al Qaeda have often released messages. It's just ridiculous for you to say that you creating an Al Qaeda account would be anyway near as credible evidence. I think, if it was a fake statement, Al Qaeda would have already refuted it by now dont you?

That article is just stupid, it reads like it's designed to take the piss, as if any of those vidoes would actually have been made in all seriousness by the CIA. The irnoy is of course, with you conspiracy nuts, is that you criticise others for occasionally believeing what the government says - when there is nothing to prove the contrary - yet you then lap up every absurd theory that comes your way, and start preaching it like it's gospel. I know your a big fan of Ron Paul so hate government and, seemingly by extension, everything that it does or says, but try and be objective for a minute. You'd already decided it was a conspiracy from the moment the news broke.

[lighthorse]

I wonder why the people of pakistan haven’t yet caused an outcry as to how the US government illegally crossed an international border, attacked a house, murdered it’s inhabitants, stole a body of a person they’d killed, without giving any proof to the government or people of that country as to justify the crime they’d committed, and then “dumped it in the sea” well short of the amount of time it takes to do a proper dna test which apparently takes a few days of code reading. And then have the audacity to blame the country they illegally entered for harbouring an unconvicted (not even charged with a crime)person. Even if they handed over the body of the person they’d murdered for examination it would have been illegal.

[lighthorse]

http://polidics.com/911/the-agendas-behind-the-bin-laden-news-event.html

[billy123]

I wonder why the people of pakistan haven’t yet caused an outcry as to how the US government illegally crossed an international border, attacked a house, murdered it’s inhabitants, stole a body of a person they’d killed, without giving any proof to the government or people of that country as to justify the crime they’d committed, and then “dumped it in the sea” well short of the amount of time it takes to do a proper dna test which apparently takes a few days of code reading. And then have the audacity to blame the country they illegally entered for harbouring an unconvicted (not even charged with a crime)person. Even if they handed over the body of the person they’d murdered for examination it would have been illegal.
Your use of the word "apparently" confirms your guessing and therefore full of excrement.
It might be true it might not but to make a fool of yourself by committing to the tin hat brigade without any facts to back it up shows a lack of intelligence.

well done.

(I usually giggle at the way some people who should know better judge me by the stare in my sig but in this case horsey judge me by my sig) :)

[Grimnir]

i like how someone decided it be good to film Bin Laden whilst he sat watching the tele, good stuff

[Liberty4eva]

I love how, by thinking you're this enlightened genius, you try and be all condescending but just end up making ridiculous statements and claims. Sure, the statements authenticity is not yet confirmed but it was posted on a jihadist website where Al Qaeda have often released messages. It's just ridiculous for you to say that you creating an Al Qaeda account would be anyway near as credible evidence. I think, if it was a fake statement, Al Qaeda would have already refuted it by now dont you?

That article is just stupid, it reads like it's designed to take the piss, as if any of those vidoes would actually have been made in all seriousness by the CIA. The irnoy is of course, with you conspiracy nuts, is that you criticise others for occasionally believeing what the government says - when there is nothing to prove the contrary - yet you then lap up every absurd theory that comes your way, and start preaching it like it's gospel. I know your a big fan of Ron Paul so hate government and, seemingly by extension, everything that it does or says, but try and be objective for a minute. You'd already decided it was a conspiracy from the moment the news broke.

Well it's a conspiracy either way. A conspiracy is where two or more people plan to do something surreptitiously. I'd say the killing of Osama (if true) is a conspiracy as the people who did it conspired to do murder. Would you disagree?

Secondly, I knew it was certainly a lie when they said they buried his body at sea. Before then I decided to withhold judgement and see what evidence or proof they would provide the public. They've given us nothing. When there is no evidence the appropriate thing to do is judge based upon history and the integrity of the people involved. History tends to suggest that it is all a fairy tale. And just about every campaign promise by Obama has not only been a lie but a spectacular lie. The man has no integrity. I've actually seen Obama give a campaign speech and got a touch of his hand. I can't comprehend how every four years we go through this ritual where they say they're going to do something, go around shake people's hands, and then completely backtrack once in office.

And, yeah, I'm a big fan of Ron Paul. If you demand integrity in a politician, you have to like him almost by default. Last election I donated hundreds of dollars to his campaign and I've made several youtube videos supporting him, two of which had the honor of making it onto his main campaign website, and one video I made currently has over a quarter of a million views. It's called The George Bush You Forgot, which gives credance to Ron Paul's claim that he's running on George Bush 2000's foreign policy. You may want to have a look...

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I don't hate government. I hate unconstitutional bloated government. Just about every government department or institution, no matter how noble or well-intentioned it starts out, ultimately ends up being a tool used to serve the powerful and well-connected. And, that being the case, if want to help the poor and powerless you ought to be in favor of reducing the size and scope of governmental power over our lives. That's what I believe, crazy or not.

[MTVN]

Well it's a conspiracy either way. A conspiracy is where two or more people plan to do something surreptitiously. I'd say the killing of Osama (if true) is a conspiracy as the people who did it conspired to do murder. Would you disagree?

Secondly, I knew it was certainly a lie when they said they buried his body at sea. Before then I decided to withhold judgement and see what evidence or proof they would provide the public. They've given us nothing. When there is no evidence the appropriate thing to do is judge based upon history and the integrity of the people involved. History tends to suggest that it is all a fairy tale. And just about every campaign promise by Obama has not only been a lie but a spectacular lie. The man has no integrity. I've actually seen Obama give a campaign speech and got a touch of his hand. I can't comprehend how every four years we go through this ritual where they say they're going to do something, go around shake people's hands, and then completely backtrack once in office.

And, yeah, I'm a big fan of Ron Paul. If you demand integrity in a politician, you have to like him almost by default. Last election I donated hundreds of dollars to his campaign and I've made several youtube videos supporting him, two of which had the honor of making it onto his main campaign website, and one video I made currently has over a quarter of a million views. It's called The George Bush You Forgot, which gives credance to Ron Paul's claim that he's running on George Bush 2000's foreign policy. You may want to have a look...

F9SOVzMV2bc

I don't hate government. I hate unconstitutional bloated government. Just about every government department or institution, no matter how noble or well-intentioned it starts out, ultimately ends up being a tool used to serve the powerful and well-connected. And, that being the case, if want to help the poor and powerless you ought to be in favor of reducing the size and scope of governmental power over our lives. That's what I believe, crazy or not.

Well I dont have much interest in a pedantic argument over terminology, but in this context, using the word conspiracy, we're referring to the belief that the version we have been told is a lie.

And in that case you're basing your whole theory on an irrational suspicion. Looking at the reasons for Bin Laden being buried at sea they are not that difficult to comprehend, nor do they strike me as overly peculiar. Practically everything points to the official account being correct; we know for a fact that the Americans were conducting an operation in that area at the time they said, this is documented, we know that both the Taliban and now Al Qaeda have confirmed his death and so far there is no actual hard evidence to suggest the contrary. You cant really just disregard that because you're slightly suspicious as to why they might bury him at sea.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not immediately accepting every single thing that has been reported & the story does seem to have changed a little bit over the last week; firstly he was killed in a firefight when he was unarmed, and secondly he apprently used his wife as a human shield which turned out to be false. But these are minor details and the broad account of what happened would seem to be right - Bin Laden was killed by American forces on the 2nd of May.

The video is interesting but doesnt tell me anything I didnt already know; Bush was hypocrite, no surprise at that. I too am against big government and would consider myself pretty libertarian (small "l") but that doesnt mean I am suspicious of every single thing it does or says