R.i.p.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is the obsession with this silly phrase?

Everytime a celeb dies forums are full of RIP so and so.

They are dead, not resting and there is no peace as there is no heaven and hell?

What is it with some people?:nono:

[Stu]

Didn't you start this topic before?

It's just become a generalized sign of respect I guess. Chill out.

[Stu]

Happy fruitless decomposition process, dead celebrity!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Didn't you start this topic before?

It's just become a generalized sign of respect I guess. Chill out.

Yes but more people have died and still it is being used. There is no respect associated with it, it is jargon and actually disrespectful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Happy fruitless decomposition process, dead celebrity!

If only that would catch on. :hugesmile:

[Stu]

I dont see how it can be disrespectful when it's accepted as a sign of respect by the vast majority of people, y'know? You gotta admit most people don't think like you do on this one.

What's up with this no heaven and hell bollix anyway. Thought you were a man of the lord? Was it a work all along?

I missed this whole conversion process I think.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dont see how it can be disrespectful when it's accepted as a sign of respect by the vast majority of people, y'know? You gotta admit most people don't think like you do on this one.

What's up with this no heaven and hell bollix anyway. Thought you were a man of the lord? Was it a work all along?

I missed this whole conversion process I think.

How was jail?

[InOne]

Rot In Peace

[Stu]

:joker:

Straight answerin' as ever. The Babylon have not outpaced me yet.

Come on. Where's Jesus gone?

[Pyramid*]

Yes but more people have died and still it is being used. There is no respect associated with it, it is jargon and actually disrespectful.

It's a marked sign of respect for the passing of a life. I don't really see how anyone could consider it disrespectful. I think you may find yourself in the minority on this one: most who have died who have not been evil gits in life, have the right and the decency from other human beings that may have had any effect on them, to be wished a peaceful passing onto their next life if they (the deceased) believed in such.

*OP, have you had a dearly loved one die, someone who was incredibly close to you? I am beginning to think you haven't*

[BB_Eye]

How is this for a u-turn?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a marked sign of respect for the passing of a life. I don't really see how anyone could consider it disrespectful. I think you may find yourself in the minority on this one: most who have died who have not been evil gits in life, have the right and the decency from other human beings that may have had any effect on them, to be wished a peaceful passing onto their next life if they (the deceased) believed in such.

*OP, have you had a dearly loved one die, someone who was incredibly close to you? I am beginning to think you haven't*

Yes I have and when they are dead that is it. respect for the dead is a horrible archaic nonsense. I also believe all graveyards should be bulldozed and built on.

[Pyramid*]

Yes I have and when they are dead that is it. respect for the dead is a horrible archaic nonsense. I also believe all graveyards should be bulldozed and built on.

Great idea. What about brothels?. May as well go the full hog!

[Stu]

It'll be a necrophiliacs dream.

[Pyramid*]

It'll be a necrophiliacs dream.

*Covers mouth to stifle griin* !!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great idea. What about brothels?. May as well go the full hog!

What about them, they are few and far between.

[Stu]

We need more of them.

[Zippy]

serious debate?

[Pyramid*]

What about them, they are few and far between.

Suggests you check out some of your local massage parlours, lot of extras going on if you know where to look - better still, ....or if you feel adventurous, take a trip over to Amsterdam, Thailand.

As for the dead, R.I.P. will remain a respectful sentiment.

[Pyramid*]

serious debate?

You read my mind Zippy....hence my final sentence on my last post.

[joeysteele]

I like the term, for those who have no beliefs of anything at all after death,at least especially if the person had lots of traumas in life they are now free of that once they die. for those who do believe that there is some part of our energy that goes elswhere after death or is stored for some reason after death the term Rest In Peace has greater meaning obviously.

I can't see how anyone would not hope,no matter what does or doesn't occur after death that at least the person was now at peace.

I could never agree with bulldozing grave and church yards, Some people need that place to feel at one with loved ones who have died and burials are not cheap,they cost far more than cremation.I visit my Grandmothers grave, I call it her garden not grave and feel uplifted I can go and place flowers on it and I get a warm feeling doing that.She was very special to me and of course its respect.

[Marsh.]

Yes but more people have died and still it is being used. There is no respect associated with it, it is jargon and actually disrespectful.

You are a moron.

When your loved one dies just throw them away. No respect.

[Pyramid*]

I like the term, for those who have no beliefs of anything at all after death,at least especially if the person had lots of traumas in life they are now free of that once they die. for those who do believe that there is some part of our energy that goes elswhere after death or is stored for some reason after death the term Rest In Peace has greater meaning obviously.

I can't see how anyone would not hope,no matter what does or doesn't occur after death that at least the person was now at peace.

I could never agree with bulldozing grave and church yards, Some people need that place to feel at one with loved ones who have died and burials are not cheap,they cost far more than cremation.I visit my Grandmothers grave, I call it her garden not grave and feel uplifted I can go and place flowers on it and I get a warm feeling doing that.She was very special to me and of course its respect.

You are a moron.

When your loved one dies just throw them away. No respect.

Welll said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

serious debate?

About as serious as "Do women have the same sex drive as men?"

:rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are a moron.

When your loved one dies just throw them away. No respect.

I like your discussion style. You disagree and call me a moron?



All you have done is identify with your accusation

[Marsh.]

I like your discussion style. You disagree and call me a moron?

All you have done is identify with your accusation

I point you to your first post.

What is the obsession with this silly phrase?

Everytime a celeb dies forums are full of RIP so and so.

They are dead, not resting and there is no peace as there is no heaven and hell?

What is it with some people?:nono:

You may not like the term but no need to be offensive to those that do.

Plus, as someone else said R.I.P. isn't just a religious reference.
My nan's sister died a couple of weeks ago and for the last 20/30 years of her life suffered with terrible illnesses, constantly in and out of hospital, bed ridden for the last 4 years. So "Rest in Peace" is an apt sign of respect to someone who has been freed from any pain they were suffering.

And it's used as a part of the grieving process. It's hard to deal with losing a very closed loved one as it is without people like you ridiculing it and saying ridiculous things like "bulldoze graveyards".
The main reason for graveyards is for relatives to have somewhere to visit to remember them by and reflect on their life or feel close to them.

Did you like that discussion style?

[arista]

:joker:

Straight answerin' as ever. The Babylon have not outpaced me yet.

Come on. Where's Jesus gone?


He is working in B&Q

[Crimson Dynamo]

I point you to your first post.



You may not like the term but no need to be offensive to those that do.

Plus, as someone else said R.I.P. isn't just a religious reference.
My nan's sister died a couple of weeks ago and for the last 20/30 years of her life suffered with terrible illnesses, constantly in and out of hospital, bed ridden for the last 4 years. So "Rest in Peace" is an apt sign of respect to someone who has been freed from any pain they were suffering.

And it's used as a part of the grieving process. It's hard to deal with losing a very closed loved one as it is without people like you ridiculing it and saying ridiculous things like "bulldoze graveyards".
The main reason for graveyards is for relatives to have somewhere to visit to remember them by and reflect on their life or feel close to them.

Did you like that discussion style?

The main reason for graveyards is religion

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is working in B&Q

Yes, and he is doing wonders with the water features

[Pyramid*]

Yes, and he is doing wonders with the water features

* Wonders if Leather Trumpet and Serious Debates are a contradiction of terms. *

I really can't see you being serious about the thread you've started. :bored:

[Marsh.]

The main reason for graveyards is religion

Them being in churches... bit obvious.

I'm talking about people, regardless of whether their religious or not want a place to respect their dead loved ones and remember them.

And why is it so offensive to you that people use R.I.P? If you don't like it, don't bother with it. The world doesn't stop because you don't like something. It's like Christmas, some people like it and some don't but doesn't stop it occurring year after year.

[Pyramid*]

Them being in churches... bit obvious.

I'm talking about people, regardless of whether their religious or not want a place to respect their dead loved ones and remember them.

I agree.

RIP - for the deceased and for those loved ones still on this earth. If a graveyard / cemetery, or a place of rememberance can't be in a place of peace, for the deceased to be paid respects, for quiet thoughts of rememberance and acknowledgement etc, then we've regressed beyond any help.

[Crimson Dynamo]

* Wonders if Leather Trumpet and Serious Debates are a contradiction of terms. *

I really can't see you being serious about the thread you've started. :bored:

get back to your soup and stop marking threads by your own tiresome standards

[Pyramid*]

get back to your soup and stop marking threads by your own tiresome standards

Serious debates (which is very self explanatory) I think is Tibbs standards. Not mine. :)

See this is now in General Chat !!! lol At least that's a bit more appropriate!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Serious debates (which is very self explanatory) I think is Tibbs standards. Not mine. :)

See this is now in General Chat !!! lol At least that's a bit more appropriate!


if you want to be a mod just email and ask them:xyxwave:

[Pyramid*]

if you want to be a mod just email and ask them:xyxwave:

Not at all. I'm just sticking to them things called the forum rules.........:xyxwave:

[Z]

Well I'd rather wish for my friend/relative/partner to no longer be in suffering than to not say anything at all. What would you have people say instead of R.I.P., LeatherTrumpet?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I'd rather wish for my friend/relative/partner to no longer be in suffering than to not say anything at all. What would you have people say instead of R.I.P., LeatherTrumpet?

Say what you wish just avoid the tired cliche of rip.

[Marsh.]

Say what you wish just avoid the tired cliche of rip.

Are you bored today? What an odd thing to bug you that much.

[Pyramid*]

Well I'd rather wish for my friend/relative/partner to no longer be in suffering than to not say anything at all. What would you have people say instead of R.I.P., LeatherTrumpet?

Very good point. Many people have suffered great pain before they die - years of pain and suffering all of kinds that many of us could not imagine. I agree, it's a respectful wish, and hoping that their suffering (of whatever sort) may now be over.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Very good point. Many people have suffered great pain before they die - years of pain and suffering all of kinds that many of us could not imagine. I agree, it's a respectful wish, and hoping that their suffering (of whatever sort) may now be over.

Yes lets hope they rest in peace and dont get resurrected into heaven or worse still end up in hell for eternity

[Pyramid*]

Yes lets hope they rest in peace and dont get resurrected into heaven or worse still end up in hell for eternity

I don't think there's any real need to be 'sarcastic'. Many people do believe in such thiings - and I'd say it was pretty disrespectful to mock that, them, or their belief.

I personally don't believe in that - but many religions do believe in such things. I think it's a bit crass to mock somone simply because you don't share their belief. Having a difference of opinion is understandable, one still has be be respectful of how others beliefs are important to them thought it may not be to everyones.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't think there's any real need to be 'sarcastic'. Many people do believe in such thiings - and I'd say it was pretty disrespectful to mock that, them, or their belief.

I personally don't believe in that - but many religions do believe in such things. I think it's a bit crass to mock somone simply because you don't share their belief. Having a difference of opinion is understandable, one still has be be respectful of how others beliefs are important to them thought it may not be to everyones.

I dont think any adult really believes that, they may hope it is true or that it is not but no one believes such utter unmitigated pish.

No religion deserves respect because it is based on lies and intolerance.

[Pyramid*]

I dont think any adult really believes that, they may hope it is true or that it is not but no one believes such utter unmitigated pish.

No religion deserves respect because it is based on lies and intolerance.

I would say that some could find that unbelievably insulting, in the extreme.

I don't believe it is any one person's right to mock why someone would believe in an afterlife.

Any adult is allowed their own opinion, their own belief in the matter on how they pay respects to the deceased loved ones, without it being regarded as, 'Utter, unmitigated pish'.

Perhaps I'm more understanding than you? Therein lies a very large difference of opinion between you and I.

[joeysteele]

I don't think there's any real need to be 'sarcastic'. Many people do believe in such thiings - and I'd say it was pretty disrespectful to mock that, them, or their belief.

I personally don't believe in that - but many religions do believe in such things. I think it's a bit crass to mock somone simply because you don't share their belief. Having a difference of opinion is understandable, one still has be be respectful of how others beliefs are important to them thought it may not be to everyones.

I don't think you are going to get anywhere Pyramid,However,leather trumpet, The voice of reason (Lord help us), is incorrect on many issues in his/her posts,for instance:- Cemeteries are not in Church grounds and many people are buried not for religious ideals but because some people believe that as we have to be formed so there may be a reason for the natural decomposition process too.
Churchyards are the burial areas attached to a Church or in its grounds, Cemeteries are not.

Many non religious people and Atheists are buried in Cemeteries that have no Church or Chapel in them or parts with no consecrated ground either.

[Pyramid*]

I don't think you are going to get anywhere Pyramid,However,leather trumpet, The voice of reason (Lord help us), is incorrect on many issues in his/her posts,for instance:- Cemeteries are not in Church grounds and many people are buried not for religious ideals but because some people believe that as we have to be formed so there may be a reason for the natural decomposition process too.
Churchyards are the burial areas attached to a Church or in its grounds, Cemeteries are not.

Many non religious people and Atheists are buried in Cemeteries that have no Church or Chapel in them or parts with no consecrated ground either.


Yes, you are correct Joey. 100%.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't think you are going to get anywhere Pyramid,However,leather trumpet, The voice of reason (Lord help us), is incorrect on many issues in his/her posts,for instance:- Cemeteries are not in Church grounds and many people are buried not for religious ideals but because some people believe that as we have to be formed so there may be a reason for the natural decomposition process too.
Churchyards are the burial areas attached to a Church or in its grounds, Cemeteries are not.

Many non religious people and Atheists are buried in Cemeteries that have no Church or Chapel in them or parts with no consecrated ground either.

The main reason for graveyards is religion. That is the main reason. They are outdated and will, like religion, die out.

[joeysteele]

The main reason for graveyards is religion. That is the main reason. They are outdated and will, like religion, die out.

That is your view and you are entitled of course to hold it and defend it, even if it is wrong.

[Marsh.]

Yes lets hope they rest in peace and dont get resurrected into heaven or worse still end up in hell for eternity

Obviously the idea of heaven has completely bypassed you. Do you know what resurrected means?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Obviously the idea of heaven has completely bypassed you. Do you know what resurrected means?

That does not make any sense

[Marsh.]

The main reason for graveyards is religion. That is the main reason. They are outdated and will, like religion, die out.

Yeah, everyone wants to leave the corpse at home don't they or sitting in their favourite chair. Not that it would be a problem.

If someone such as yourself is not religious it doesn't mean they don't want a proper burial. Whether you believe in afterlife or not, the idea of cremating and burning the corpse of a loved one is horrific. A simple burial is a nicer and more peaceful means.

[Marsh.]

That does not make any sense

You said "resurrected into heaven".

Definition - Resurrection - The act of rising from the dead or returning to life.

Heaven is the afterlife involving the belief in a spirit or soul. Nothing to do with the physical body. Do you understand now?

[Niamh.]

Yeah, everyone wants to leave the corpse at home don't they or sitting in their favourite chair. Not that it would be a problem.

If someone such as yourself is not religious it doesn't mean they don't want a proper burial. Whether you believe in afterlife or not, the idea of cremating and burning the corpse of a loved one is horrific. A simple burial is a nicer and more peaceful means.

Oh no, I would much rather this then to think about rotting corpses and insects eating them:shocked:

[Pyramid*]

Obviously the idea of heaven has completely bypassed you. Do you know what resurrected means?

That does not make any sense


I'd say it makes perfect sense. Do you know what resurrection means? You might not agree with the belief but that doesn't negate the fact that others do.

[Pyramid*]

Yeah, everyone wants to leave the corpse at home don't they or sitting in their favourite chair. Not that it would be a problem.

If someone such as yourself is not religious it doesn't mean they don't want a proper burial. Whether you believe in afterlife or not, the idea of cremating and burning the corpse of a loved one is horrific. A simple burial is a nicer and more peaceful means.

In fairness: I believe that's a very personal opinion. Some believe in burials, some believe in cremation. Regardless: the idea of wishing the deceased Resting In Peace is the same.

[Marsh.]

In fairness: I believe that's a very personal opinion. Some believe in burials, some believe in cremation. Regardless: the idea of wishing the deceased Resting In Peace is the same.

Of course that's true. I should have worded it differently.
I was just explaining that the act of burial goes beyond religious purposes, dependant on the person there is nothing else to do with the body really.

[Stu]

LOL @ people still engaging in passionate debate with an obvious gimmick poster's gimmick thread.

Don't feed the

[Marsh.]

LOL @ people still engaging in passionate debate with an obvious gimmick poster's gimmick thread.

Don't feed the

Amen.


Oops...

[Crimson Dynamo]

You said "resurrected into heaven".

Definition - Resurrection - The act of rising from the dead or returning to life.

Heaven is the afterlife involving the belief in a spirit or soul. Nothing to do with the physical body. Do you understand now?

I understand what you mean and I also understand that you do not understand Christianity.

1 Corinthians 15

[joeysteele]

Oh no, I would much rather this then to think about rotting corpses and insects eating them:shocked:

That's the bit I don't like to think of too as to burials Niamh.

[Pyramid*]

LOL @ people still engaging in passionate debate with an obvious gimmick poster's gimmick thread.

Don't feed the

I know. I know. Such good another thread has been started on a very similar theme. Deary me. :sleep: (that's at the OP, not you)

[Crimson Dynamo]

LOL @ people still engaging in passionate debate with an obvious gimmick poster's gimmick thread.

Don't feed the

get bent drug boy

[Pyramid*]

Of course that's true. I should have worded it differently.
I was just explaining that the act of burial goes beyond religious purposes, dependant on the person there is nothing else to do with the body really.

I know!!!!! :)

[Pyramid*]

get bent drug boy

When all else fails, insult the members!!! Deary me. :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I know. I know. Such good another thread has been started on a very similar theme. Deary me. :sleep: (that's at the OP, not you)

"Perhaps I'm more understanding than you? Therein lies a very large difference of opinion between you and I."


hypocrite would have been a better summary

[Crimson Dynamo]

When all else fails, insult the members!!! Deary me. :nono:

Its not a member its stu

[Stu]

get bent drug boy
You're too easy, LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're too easy, LT.

:hugesmile:

maybe you are right:shocked:

[Pyramid*]

"Perhaps I'm more understanding than you? Therein lies a very large difference of opinion between you and I."


hypocrite would have been a better summary

You're funny!!!:hugesmile:

[Stu]

This is a Blue Oyster Cult appreciation thread now.

http://www.oilofdog.com/BlueOysterCultWeb.jpg

[Marsh.]

I understand what you mean and I also understand that you do not understand Christianity.

1 Corinthians 15

Quite the researcher into something you don't like, aren't you?

And where in the thread did you mention we were speaking specifically about Christianity?

"Religion" is a very broad term.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Quite the researcher into something you don't like, aren't you?

And where in the thread did you mention we were speaking specifically about Christianity?

"Religion" is a very broad term.

Just admit you talk crap and move on.

[Pyramid*]

Just admit you talk crap and move on.

Nice. :nono:



*Wonders if we can change thread title to "How to insult forum members in 40 diffent ways" * :conf:

[Marsh.]

Or maybe it's called having a different opinion to your ill mannered one.

Just admit you talk crap and move on.

Ok then...

Yes but more people have died and still it is being used. There is no respect associated with it, it is jargon and actually disrespectful.

Yes I have and when they are dead that is it. respect for the dead is a horrible archaic nonsense. I also believe all graveyards should be bulldozed and built on.

get back to your soup and stop marking threads by your own tiresome standards

Say what you wish just avoid the tired cliche of rip.

Yes lets hope they rest in peace and dont get resurrected into heaven or worse still end up in hell for eternity

I dont think any adult really believes that, they may hope it is true or that it is not but no one believes such utter unmitigated pish.

No religion deserves respect because it is based on lies and intolerance.

The main reason for graveyards is religion. That is the main reason. They are outdated and will, like religion, die out.

get bent drug boy


What a twonk

[Shaun]

What an oddly pedantic thr-oh it's him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What an oddly pedantic thr-oh it's him.

oddly funny for a post from you

[Shaun]

omg hehe ty x

[Crimson Dynamo]

omg hehe ty x

your welcome:spin:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

What is the obsession with this silly phrase?

Everytime a celeb dies forums are full of RIP so and so.

They are dead, not resting and there is no peace as there is no heaven and hell?

What is it with some people?:nono:

I think it might've come from rest in peace in heaven rather then r.o.h rot in hell as majority of communities before believed in heaven and hell