Survivor 23: Redemption Island II [FINISHED]

[SoBig]

That's probably because the rest of them can't swim properly :laugh: I do hope Ozzy can stay alive a little longer, to potentially force Upolu to vote one of their own out.

Will there be another Immunity Idol made available to them? Or will they have to wait for Coach to play his?

I think they will have to wait for Coach to play his. When an idol goes back into play, Jeff always lets them know.

On twitter Jim said he was 100% going to give the Immunity Necklace to Ozzy, but an hour before Tribal Council, Whitney and Dawn went to the other tribe and told them Jim and Ozzy's plan. (I guess they were trying to get in good with the other tribe.) So Coach and company went to Jim and told him if he goes through with it, they would vote him out.

If Dawn and Whitney weren't such snakes that plan actually had a shot of working. That was the only move that they had left. Whitney and Dawn are such stupid players, its sad. They including Jim and Keith are the reason why they are in this mess in the first place. Instead of voting out that snake in Coachroach. They decided to blindside Ozzy by voting out Elyse.

[Marc]

It's always a big mess every year :laugh:

[SoBig]

I've read some spoilers; based on who is voted out and when... take this as you want. It's unlikely to be 100% true but it's what somebody has put together on SS forum.

(this basically tells you who the final 3 are and the merge people etc.)

Out before MERGE:

[U]Rick
[S]Semhar
[U]Christine
[U]Sophie
[S]Jim
[S]Elyse
[S]John*

JOHN COCHRAN re-enters the game at merge
MARK CARUSO med-evac right after merge (at camp im told)

Out AFTER merge (Upolu "pagonging"):
Edna
Stacey
Albert*
Brandon
Coach
Mikayla
Ozzy

ALBERT DESTRADE re-enters the game at F5

John
Keith

Albert/Dawn/Whitney FINAL THREE.
this spoiler was so wrong. :laugh3:

[rk3388]

i cant believe anyone would support ozzy. Hes an Arrogant Boring Bully

[Marc]

this spoiler was so wrong. :laugh3:

I know!! But thank god!! I am so relieved that I haven't actually ruined it for myself :)

But I did want Dawn to be final 3 :laugh: I doubt that'll happen now!

[SoBig]

:laugh3:

Yea she has no shot. lol

[Marc]

:laugh3:

Yea she has no shot. lol

I have a feeling Rick may be randomly in the final. he's so weak and useless :joker:

[SoBig]

i cant believe anyone would support ozzy. Hes an Arrogant Boring Bully

How is Ozzy a bully?

Ozzy is what survivor is all about. Put him on any island and he'll manage to survive. He pours his heart and soul into everything that he does. Competitions, swimming, fishing whatever it is, he gives it his all every single time. Thats why I'm an Ozzy fan. Hands down the greatest competitor in Survivor history.

I don't know why I'm even bother responding to you, cause I know you won't even have the guts to reply.

[Marc]

Calm down guys :laugh: it's only a show.

[SoBig]

I have a feeling Rick may be randomly in the final. he's so weak and useless :joker:
Could be right. Won't get any votes thats for sure.

[Yayita]

Do you guys also think Brandon is a looney? All the religious references and then he was so mean to Mackayla (whom I didnt like but still). Now he is defending Cochrain.

[Macie Lightfoot]

i cant believe anyone would support ozzy. Hes an Arrogant Boring Bully

I'm surprised we agree on something for once!

[SoBig]

Do you guys also think Brandon is a looney? All the religious references and then he was so mean to Mackayla (whom I didnt like but still). Now he is defending Cochrain.
Yes, the kid is a nutcase. His own uncle on twitter is constantly making fun of him. It got so bad that Brandon has completely abandoned twitter.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

If spoilers are true I am surprised on who wins

[SoBig]

Ozzy! Ozzy Ozzy!!!!!!

[GypsyGoth]

Damn, I forgot this was on, I'm gonna watch it tomorrow.

[SoBig]

I was hoping it would be Edna and Whitney going to Redemption Island. Would have been an easy win for Ozzy. Dawn scares me.

[SoBig]

Another thing, Don should have told her tribe what Cockroach was planning to do. It gives them a heads up, to not give Whitney the idol. Don played a huge role in this whole mess.

Am I good or what? Dawn basically said this exact thing in this week's episode.

[smartalec2718]

Go sophie!!!!!!!

[Marc]

Sophie has been really good in the past couple of weeks. TOO GOOD though.. she needs to watch herself, she'll be seen as a threat :(

Dawn :bawling:... predictable episode but I'm glad it's over and done with now; we can turn attention to the juicy part of the series :devil: who's going to be the first off of the alliance!

[Bluerang1]

sophie has been really good in the past couple of weeks. Too good though.. She needs to watch herself, she'll be seen as a threat :(

dawn :bawling:... Predictable episode but i'm glad it's over and done with now; we can turn attention to the juicy part of the series :devil: Who's going to be the first off of the alliance!

word.

[Bluerang1]

Ok are Redemption Island folks allowed to talk with Te Tuna on the island? If not, the advert for the next episode totally ruined who wins the next redemption challenge.

[Marc]

I haven't seen the advert?

[Bluerang1]

US only I guess. It was on CBS.

[Marc]

US only I guess. It was on CBS.

I require knowledge

[GypsyGoth]

Pretty sure it's gonna be on here in five mins

http://www.justin.tv/hqhq3?


edit: I heard it might be a recap ep.

[rk3388]

I don't know why I'm even bother responding to you, cause I know you won't even have the guts to reply.

HOLY .
Jeez its only a tv show calm down!!!
Patronising just makes you look silly :cat:

[rk3388]

Cant wait to see when ozzy doesnt win

[LemonJam]

I'm enjoying this season more than the last one. It has a great set of characters which are pretty poorly utilized in the editing (shocker) but if I'm 100% honest with myself I can't turn down a season that has Coach in. I know. I fail.

I feel really, really sorry for Albert. He seems to be the only person on his tribe who will actually bother to stop Coach from winning and has his own intentions. Sophie seems to act like she knows exactly what's going on but she's basically leaving it too late, just like Ashley last season.

I'd really like any of Albert, Dawn or Cochran to win. I love Coach but him winning is just so predictable.

Current cast ranking:
1. Albert
2. Cochran
3. Coach
4. Dawn
5. Sophie
6. Rick
7. Edna
8. Brandon
9. Whitney
10. Ozzy

[Bluerang1]

Oh it an unseen scene. The Ozzy and Coach deal. I thought Ozzy gained redemption.

[Marc]

I hate re cap episodes :mad:

[SoBig]

I usually hate them too, but I liked this one. Learned how Coach controlled his tribe and how they are suffering now without Ozzy to provide them with food.

Coach has played this game before. Surviving is not sitting around and not providing food for your tribe and letting them go hungry. Just because you go without eating, doesn't mean you can subject your tribe to that kind of punishment. Who lives like that? No wonder Coach has have never won survivor, no wonder he always get blindsided, because he is a frickin idiot. Coach how can you call yourself an All-star survivor when you can't provide food for your tribe? Its fricken pathetic.

[LemonJam]

icwutudidthar.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I usually hate them too, but I liked this one. Learned how Coach controlled his tribe and how they are suffering now without Ozzy to provide them with food.

Coach has played this game before. Surviving is not sitting around and not providing food for your tribe and letting them go hungry. Just because you go without eating, doesn't mean you can subject your tribe to that kind of punishment. Who lives like that? No wonder Coach has have never won survivor, no wonder he always get blindsided, because he is a frickin idiot. Coach how can you call yourself an All-star survivor when you can't provide food for your tribe? Its fricken pathetic.

I hope that's a joke. Especially coming from a Russell fan...

[SoBig]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the recap episode.

[Marc]

Coach is brilliant, I get that but I would appreciate it more if Sophie/Albert have the balls to try to get rid of him

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the recap episode.

I did, but I still don't get your point. I'm guessing you don't realize your hypocrisy in your statement :joker:

[Marc]

I know who goes next :devil:

[Marc]

I deleted a load of messages in here, they weren't relevant and they were just about some rubbish show called The Real World or something :idc:

I look forward to the episodes getting back on track! I think there should be a few double vote off episodes soon, there is 8 people left (including R.I. survivor) and only 3 weeks. It ends on 18th Dec (Sunday)

[Macie Lightfoot]

I deleted a load of messages in here, they weren't relevant and they were just about some rubbish show called The Real World or something :idc:

I look forward to the episodes getting back on track! I think there should be a few double vote off episodes soon, there is 8 people left (including R.I. survivor) and only 3 weeks. It ends on 18th Dec (Sunday)

Nope I'm pretty sure it's normal from here on out, it works that way.

[Marc]

Nope I'm pretty sure it's normal from here on out, it works that way.

But that doesn't make sense, there can't be 5 in the final. Surely two episodes will be double eliminations or one episode will have 3 people leaving

[Macie Lightfoot]

But that doesn't make sense, there can't be 5 in the final. Surely two episodes will be double eliminations or one episode will have 3 people leaving

There've already been two double boots. And the finales always have 5 left.

[GypsyGoth]

here's a link :) http://www.justin.tv/hqhq3?#/w/2163787456

[SoBig]

TEAM OZzY BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoBig]

TEAM OZzY BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoBig]

Greatest challenge dominator in Survivor History. No one is even close to him.

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::wors hip::worship::worship::worship:

[GypsyGoth]

I was sure Ozzy was going to be beat this time on redemption. He's an amazing player.

[GypsyGoth]

Cochran doesn't stand a chance at redemption.

[SoBig]

BWAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH @ Cockroach.

Time for Ozzy to take that bitch out! :worship::worship::worship:

[SoBig]

I was sure Ozzy was going to be beat this time on redemption. He's an amazing player.
I thought so too. I was screaming like crazy after he won.

[LemonJam]

I hope Cochran beats Ozzy SO badly for the lolz.

[SoBig]

I hope Cochran beats Ozzy SO badly for the lolz.

:nono: :nono: :nono:

If that happens... wow.

[Marc]

Ahhh my spoiler proved right.. reliable source :evilgrin:

I don't think Brandon will go next week, the editing is so p*ss poor, they always try to throw a red herring in to make you all think differently but this tribe seems so stubborn that I'm pretty sure it'll be Edna. Bit lame :bored: Why aren't Albert and Sophie making waves god damnit

[Marc]

Ahhh my spoiler proved right.. reliable source :evilgrin:

I don't think Brandon will go next week, the editing is so p*ss poor, they always try to throw a red herring in to make you all think differently but this tribe seems so stubborn that I'm pretty sure it'll be Edna. Bit lame :bored: Why aren't Albert and Sophie making waves god damnit

[Marc]

I don't know who goes next week yet by the way.. I only knew about Cochran's vote off and Ozzy winning at R.I to send Dawn/Whit home.

My source updates us every week

[SoBig]

I don't know who goes next week yet by the way.. I only knew about Cochran's vote off and Ozzy winning at R.I to send Dawn/Whit home.

My source updates us every week
Just don't post what the spoilers are. Especially if it has anything to do with Ozzy. lol

Doesn't it ruin the show for you though?

[Marc]

Just don't post what the spoilers are. Especially if it has anything to do with Ozzy. lol

Doesn't it ruin the show for you though?

The show isn't that exciting when one tribe dominates in the merge. That's why I liked Samoa so much, the big turn around was great to watch. I genuinely don't care who wins this year

[SoBig]

Ahhh my spoiler proved right.. reliable source :evilgrin:

I don't think Brandon will go next week, the editing is so p*ss poor, they always try to throw a red herring in to make you all think differently but this tribe seems so stubborn that I'm pretty sure it'll be Edna. Bit lame :bored: Why aren't Albert and Sophie making waves god damnit

Sophie is playing it safe. Albert is trying, he just can't get anyone on his side. Coach should have targeted Albert or Sophie this week. Get Edna, Cockroach, the old guy and himself to vote one of those two out. Then its smooth sailing to the end for him. If he is up against Albert or Sophie in the end I don't see how Coach wins. I think Sophie is pretty much a lock to win Survivor at this point. Unless Ozzy comes back from RI and make it to the final, then he wins.

Ozzy would have Keith, Dawn, Jim, Whitney and Cockroach's votes for sure.

[SoBig]

The show isn't that exciting when one tribe dominates in the merge. That's why I liked Samoa so much, the big turn around was great to watch. I genuinely don't care who wins this year

That's why Russell Hantz is the greatest strategist ever. Made it to the end against all odds. :worship:

[LemonJam]

-disowns Marc for liking Samoa-

[rk3388]

cochran better win and i have a feeling he will hint hint :D

[Macie Lightfoot]

That's why Russell Hantz is the greatest strategist ever. Made it to the end against all odds. :worship:

Because making alliances for no reason and then backstabbing them immediately is great strategy right? As is taking social, likable "goats" to the end? :joker:

[Marc]

-disowns Marc for liking Samoa-

erm go die pls x

[Macie Lightfoot]

The show isn't that exciting when one tribe dominates in the merge. That's why I liked Samoa so much, the big turn around was great to watch. I genuinely don't care who wins this year

Uhh Samoa was pretty much one tribe dominating the merge soo... :joker:

[Bluerang1]

My 2c.

So I like Ozzy but felt bad for Dawn losing. Cocharan is annoying as but didn't expect him leaving. Out of everyone I sorted of wanted to beat Ozzy to see what happens, I don't want him to. At all.

Coach is a hypocrite.

[Marc]

Uhh Samoa was pretty much one tribe dominating the merge soo... :joker:

Well I liked the fact that Foa Foa overcame the odds and get 3 of themselves to the final 3 when it was 8-4 at the merge (against them) :)

[Marc]

My 2c.

So I like Ozzy but felt bad for Dawn losing. Cocharan is annoying as but didn't expect him leaving. Out of everyone I sorted of wanted to beat Ozzy to see what happens, I don't want him to. At all.

Coach is a hypocrite.

It'll be really interesting to see whether he goes against his original 5 (it seems Brandon) or against Edna next. Either way he'll be stabbing one of his allies in the back! Surely he'll lose their vote if he gets to the final.

[Marc]

I think Albert, Sophie and Rick are in the best positions.

Coach is going to have to betray one of his allies.
Edna has a target on her back for not being part of the core-5 alliance.
Ozzy will have all the votes from Savaii if he makes it to the final and will therefore be voted off A.S.A.P (if he returns)
Brandon is a seriously loose cannon and no body wants him around because of it (scenes from next week will explain this further)

Sophie and Albert are slightly in danger because they keep doing well in the immunity challenges and may be voted because of that.

If they (Sophie and Albert) were thinking cleverly about it they would keep Coach and Rick because Coach will have betrayed so many of his allies and Rick is so pointless that there really isn't any point in him being there (no votes in the final) and get rid of the other to eliminate any threat.

Just my opinion :) there are many ways to think about it and views on who deserves what and what moves should be made etc.

[Marc]

Also next week is the relatives week, they all get a visit from a loved one and I think Brandon's is Russell :joker: Uh ohhhh

[BBfanUSA]

Who's in on the isle right now Cochran and Ozzy?

[Marc]

Who's in on the isle right now Cochran and Ozzy?

Yep. I guess they'll let another person get there or another two (making it four at RI) and then bring the winner back!

IIRC It was final 5 when they sent Andrea back in.

[GypsyGoth]

On tonight http://www.justin.tv/hqhq3?#/w/2163787456

[GypsyGoth]

On now :amazed:

[LemonJam]

Thanks so much Claudia

Cochran :(

[GypsyGoth]

For a moment I thought he would do it :laugh:

[LemonJam]

Ednagoddess :(<3

[GypsyGoth]

I'm not sure about these seasons where they bring back great players. The new people don't really stand much of a chance.

[SoBig]

That was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo close. Thank God Ozzy pulled through! :worship:

[SoBig]

Coach also promised Ozzy a spot in the final 3. :worship:

Its gonna be tough though, because the other players won't go for it.

[SoBig]

I think its safe to say that Ozzy is the greatest Challenge Dominator in Survivor History. Anyone disagree?

He completely dominated Cook Islands. Won every single challenge except for one.

In FvF he dominated in the challenges pre-merge. Was voted out after he threw a competition.

In South Pacific he is dominating again.

He is great at every single challenge. Swimming, balancing, puzzles etc.

No one else has that kind of resume.

[Marc]

Aw Edna :( ....Brandon smh :bored:

I thought Cochran was going get the win for a second there but Ozzy does what he does best, kicked some ass. I think he is the best competitor as well

[Bluerang1]

Ednagoddess :(<3

LOL! But yeah :(

Look, Brandon annoys me, and I got reminded that he's 19, explain A LOT. He looks the same age as his dad, or older. Urgh. Coach is a worse "Christian" though. Sneaky and vile man. Ozzy should win and cleanse this season -_-'

[LemonJam]

pmsfl @ Brandon interrupting Coach mid-confessional <3

[LemonJam]

MOTHER OF GOD IT'S MICRONESIA PART 2 :| d

[LemonJam]

Prince Albert lives on another episode <3

[rk3388]

Cochran is greatly missed. Ozzy, coach adn all the rest cant hold a candle to cochran :(

[GypsyGoth]

Brandon is gullible. I think Ozzy will easily beat him.

And I'm hoping Sophie makes it to the final this Sunday.

[GypsyGoth]

Brandon is gullible. I think Ozzy will easily beat him.

And I'm hoping Sophie makes it to the final this Sunday.

[SoBig]

Ozzy is amazing.

It was basically 6 against 1 and he still won.

[Marc]

I'm commenting whilst watching and if my spoilers are right then Brandon's immunity means nothing :laugh2:

[Marc]

Brandon is gullible. I think Ozzy will easily beat him.

And I'm hoping Sophie makes it to the final this Sunday.

Yeah he will beat him.

Hoping Sophie wins

[Marc]

:laugh: Albert digging himself his own grave!

Sophie started it all :D

[Marc]

Brandon is such an awful player, but we all knew that anyway :laugh:

[lostalex]

yes i think thats her, was she the star of that season? if so then its that season.


stephanie wasn't that fierce, she was the last girl because the rest of her tribe really SCUKED.

[SoBig]

Brandon is such an awful player, but we all knew that anyway :laugh:
Dumbest player ever. Someone has finally topped Erik from Fans Vs Favorites.

[SoBig]

Ozzy's Survivor resume is building up. He has won 7 individual challenges this season so far.

The first one.
5 RI duels.
1 immunity.

[Marc]

Ozzy will go if he doesn't win immunity. Simple as, he will win in a landslide if he doesn't win two immunities in a row

[Macie Lightfoot]

DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU DO NOT WANT SPOILERS OF THE FINALE:

Ozzy wins Immunity at F5, Rick voted out
Sophie wins Immunity at F4, Sophie voted out
Albert/Coach/Sophie F3, FTC spoilers haven't been released yet

[rk3388]

DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU DO NOT WANT SPOILERS OF THE FINALE:

Ozzy wins Immunity at F5, Rick voted out
Sophie wins Immunity at F4, Sophie voted out
Albert/Coach/Sophie F3, FTC spoilers haven't been released yet

if sophie got voted out hos did she make the f3 :D :D :D :conf:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

if sophie got voted out hos did she make the f3 :D :D :D :conf:

My thoughts as well

I think he means that Ozzy will be voted out as Sophie wins immunity

[Macie Lightfoot]

My thoughts as well

I think he means that Ozzy will be voted out as Sophie wins immunity

Yes that's what I meant thanks for clarifying ^_^

[rk3388]

Yes that's what I meant thanks for clarifying ^_^

k i hope your right!!

[Macie Lightfoot]

k i hope your right!!

I am.

[Macie Lightfoot]

FINAL TRIBAL COUNCIL SPOILERS:

Jurors view Albert as a weasel, can only possible get Brandon's vote because he's a wildcard as usual

Jurors bring up loyalty and integrity to Coach. Rick, Brandon, Dawn, and Whitney don't like the "praying"

Sophie comes off the best and more than likely wins

[Marc]

Final 3 spoiler

Sophie, Albert and Coach

[Marc]

I'm pretty sure that

Sophie

will win this.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Welcome to two days ago :P hehe jk

Anyone have a link to watch the finale live?

[LemonJam]

Rick <3

[rk3388]

Rick <3

O_O
Is this some sort of joke?

[rk3388]

I HOPE Sophie wins.
Mediocre winner for a mediocre season.

My favs have been
1.Cochran
2.Brandon
3.Sophie
4.Semhar
5.Christine
6.Albert
Everyone else has been awful

[LemonJam]

Ozzy at the reunion is actually so ****ing painful to watch.

[LemonJam]

Loving the sound of Survivor One World :love:

[SoBig]

My boy was so close. :(

He had a HUGE lead too. He just couldn't get the first piece in.

At least he won the fan vote by the biggest margin in Survivor history.

[SoBig]

Ozzy's Survivor resume is building up. He has won 7 individual challenges this season so far.

The first one.
5 RI duels.
1 immunity.

The first one.
6 RI duels.
2 Immunities.

[Bluerang1]

No more reality game shows for me :/ *empty* Until February! :D

Wanted Sophie to win but didn't think she could. Happy though. Poor Ozzy however. He was even more deserving.

[smartalec2718]

SOPHICTORY!!!!

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Sophresh. Sophierce. Sophabulous!!!!!

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

BOW DOWN TO SOPHOGRESS, the QUEEN OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC / HBIC!!!!

[smartalec2718]

(Also, I don't get all the Ozzy love. I respect his challenge prowess but he comes across as an absolutely self-satisfied arrogant d-bag.)

[SoBig]

(Also, I don't get all the Ozzy love. I respect his challenge prowess but he comes across as an absolutely self-satisfied arrogant d-bag.)
Well you are clearly in the minority.

Edit.

Did you watch Cook Islands? Thats the season where Ozzy gained most of his fans from.

[Roy Mars III]

Another bad winner

[SoBig]

Another bad winner

Yup.

Coach deserved it over her too.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Damn if Ozzy had just won one immunity I believe he would have won with the jury

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Well done to Sophie though, I think I would have voted for out of the three anyway

[Marc]

Sophie!!!!! Yes!! :D she deserved it in the end; Ozzy would have if he one that last immunity... But he didn't :idc:

Yes!!

[Marc]

Yup.

Coach deserved it over her too.

I disagree. He broke so many promises, he didn't act the way that he believed; he was very religious, yet he stabbed people in the back. He was not true to himself and he didn't deserve to win. He should have also got rid of Sophie, if you want to break your word with anybody, break it with the next toughest person after Ozzy. Coach should have taken Rick and Albert to the final 3, he would have won.

Sophie played a smart game, tried to not make big waves when Albert wanted to and stayed calm but then she came unstuck a little (the crying bit..#awkward) but she toughed it out and practically single-handedly sent Ozzy home by winning that last immunity.

Albert... thought he was heads and shoulders above the rest :joker: yeah.. dream on Alberto

[SoBig]

I'm happy Coach didn't win. After he backed out on his agreement with Ozzy. I knew he was full of BS from the start. Coach actually had the better social game and was the better strategist out of the final 3. Thats why I think he should have won.

Yea, Ozzy would have won unanimously. Did you see the ovation he received from both the final three and the jury? No one has ever gotten that type of reaction after getting voted out before.

Its crazy to me that I'm the only person that likes Ozzy on this forum. He is if not the most beloved Survivor contestant ever.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I'm happy Coach didn't win. After he backed out on his agreement with Ozzy. I knew he was full of BS from the start. Coach actually had the better social game and was the better strategist out of the final 3. Thats why I think he should have won.

Yea, Ozzy would have won unanimously. Did you see the ovation he received from both the final three and the jury? No one has ever gotten that type of reaction after getting voted out before.

Its crazy to me that I'm the only person that likes Ozzy on this forum. He is if not the most beloved Survivor contestant ever.

I havent seen that many survivor seasons, this being my first with Ozzy in it, second with Coach, but I liked him, I might try and watch the season he was in originally

[Marc]

Its crazy to me that I'm the only person that likes Ozzy on this forum. He is if not the most beloved Survivor contestant ever.

I appreciate his amazingness at challenges but he is arrogant and expects a lot off his tribe because of that. He has never been a good strategic player and I personally like the strategist to win over the better physical competitor. Maybe because I could relate to them, I wouldn't win the physical challenges a lot but I would try my hardest to be the best strategic person there to make up for it!

[SoBig]

I havent seen that many survivor seasons, this being my first with Ozzy in it, second with Coach, but I liked him, I might try and watch the season he was in originally
Yea, try and watch Cook Islands. One of the very best Survivor seasons. Ozzy was even more dominant in that Season than he was in this one.

[LemonJam]

I was hoping that Albert would win tbh. Sophie played a good game, but an incredibly safe game at the same time.

[SoBig]

I appreciate his amazingness at challenges but he is arrogant and expects a lot off his tribe because of that. He has never been a good strategic player and I personally like the strategist to win over the better physical competitor. Maybe because I could relate to them, I wouldn't win the physical challenges a lot but I would try my hardest to be the best strategic person there to make up for it!
I like strategist over psychical competitors too, but no one dominates challenges like Ozzy does. He is in a league of his own. Coach and Sophia weren't better at strategizing than Ozzy was at dominating competitions.

[SoBig]

I was hoping that Albert would win tbh. Sophie played a good game, but an incredibly safe game at the same time.
She was lucky that she was on the side with the numbers advantage. She wasn't anything special as a player.

[Marc]

I was hoping that Albert would win tbh. Sophie played a good game, but an incredibly safe game at the same time.

You know what, I KNEW you'd want him to win!
First Sash.. then his guy? Oh James... :nono:

[LemonJam]

I didn't want Sash to win... D:

[BBfanUSA]

i don't think they talked to the first four eliminated castaways during the reunion :joker:

[Marc]

I didn't want Sash to win... D:

I swear you did in the final :suspect:

[smartalec2718]

Well you are clearly in the minority.

Edit.

Did you watch Cook Islands? Thats the season where Ozzy gained most of his fans from.

A couple points need clarification on my end here.

1) I'm such a huge Sophie fan because I know her personally, I agree she didn't play the most exciting game but she knew what she was doing, had a clearly defined strategy, prevented Albert from executing one of his harebrained schemes that would have wrecked her game, and won individual immunities where they counted (keeping Whitney from winning when she was the last Savaii left and, of course, slaying challenge god Ozzy). She made it to the end and convinced the majority of the jurors that she deserved the cash and the title over the other two finalists, so in my eyes, she's a deserving winner. I mean, even Ozzy voted for her after calling her a spoiled brat. That's gotta count for something in your eyes.

2) I have seen both Cook Islands and FvF and my opinion on Ozzy has never changed much. On Cook Islands I was impressed with his challenge domination, but at the same time he was a completely one-dimensional player - he IIC'ed himself into the final 3, there was no serious strategic element to his game as he left that all to Yul. Same deal in FvF, except this time around his strategic game was worse. It's pretty bad to be voted out without playing an idol in your possession. What irked me about Ozzy this season was that it didn't appear he had learned at all from his previous 2 seasons. He followed largely the same gameplan - pair up with a hot girl and use her for her vote, find the idol and replace it with a fake one - of course, Ozzy used it this time around, he just wasted it on Whitney; and dominate at challenges and gathering food and then expect to be treated royally by his tribe for it. At least Coach, as much as I dislike him, played a strategic game. Ozzy seemed to think he deserved to stay in the game just because he was good at catching fish. If it weren't for Redemption Island, Ozzy would have gone out earlier than he did even in FvF.

Again, let me repeat that I am as impressed as the next Survivor fan by how good Ozzy is at challenges and surviving. But he takes that prowess and makes waaaaaay too much of it. He is strategically braindead and the amount of fawning done over him (as evidenced by that completely ridiculous segment at the reunion with that 8-year-old's idiotic question) is pathetic and unwarranted.

[Roy Mars III]

I wanted Coach to win, but Ozzie would have been okay. Instead we got another boring female.

[LemonJam]

I swear you did in the final :suspect:

Hmm, maybe at the time. Tbh I barely remember anything from Nicaragua :hugesmile: will maybe give it a rewatch.

[LemonJam]

Oh.


However I would have voted for Sash to win. He got himself into comfortable positions throughout the game, managed to TALK Marty into giving him an Idol.

It's bull**** that Sash didn't get votes because he lied, but Chase DID get votes when he arguably lied more than Sash, but he's apparently the 'good guy' so whatever.

lol me. Obviously I hadn't heard about the whole morgage-gate thing.

[Bluerang1]

SOPHICTORY!!!!

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Sophresh. Sophierce. Sophabulous!!!!!

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

BOW DOWN TO SOPHOGRESS, the QUEEN OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC / HBIC!!!!

Well all this. I mean I only wanted Ozzy to win as I had no faith in Sophie but she did so JOY! :D

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yea, try and watch Cook Islands. One of the very best Survivor seasons. Ozzy was even more dominant in that Season than he was in this one.

I will, Im kinda in-between watching amazing race and survivor so will take me like a year to actually watch it lol

[GypsyGoth]

I'm happy enough Sophie won, the ones I liked didn't even make the jury. Not sure about bringing these survivor stars back. So in that way I'm glad Coach lost.

The next series sounds like it might be a good change.

[Marc]

Refreshing

[LemonJam]

I'm guessing they're removing Redemption Island now then? Hopefully they bring back the reward challenges <3

[Macie Lightfoot]

Well you are clearly in the minority.

Edit.

Did you watch Cook Islands? Thats the season where Ozzy gained most of his fans from.

:joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yup.

Coach deserved it over her too.

:joker: oh wait, you think Russell deserved it over Natalie too. And I'm sure Rob over Amber.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm happy Coach didn't win. After he backed out on his agreement with Ozzy. I knew he was full of BS from the start. Coach actually had the better social game and was the better strategist out of the final 3. Thats why I think he should have won.

Yea, Ozzy would have won unanimously. Did you see the ovation he received from both the final three and the jury? No one has ever gotten that type of reaction after getting voted out before.

Its crazy to me that I'm the only person that likes Ozzy on this forum. He is if not the most beloved Survivor contestant ever.

Uh... do you know who Rupert is?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yea, try and watch Cook Islands. One of the very best Survivor seasons. Ozzy was even more dominant in that Season than he was in this one.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: seriously Cook Islands is one of, if not the worst season of Survivor.

[SoBig]

A couple points need clarification on my end here.

1) I'm such a huge Sophie fan because I know her personally, I agree she didn't play the most exciting game but she knew what she was doing, had a clearly defined strategy, prevented Albert from executing one of his harebrained schemes that would have wrecked her game, and won individual immunities where they counted (keeping Whitney from winning when she was the last Savaii left and, of course, slaying challenge god Ozzy). She made it to the end and convinced the majority of the jurors that she deserved the cash and the title over the other two finalists, so in my eyes, she's a deserving winner. I mean, even Ozzy voted for her after calling her a spoiled brat. That's gotta count for something in your eyes.

2) I have seen both Cook Islands and FvF and my opinion on Ozzy has never changed much. On Cook Islands I was impressed with his challenge domination, but at the same time he was a completely one-dimensional player - he IIC'ed himself into the final 3, there was no serious strategic element to his game as he left that all to Yul. Same deal in FvF, except this time around his strategic game was worse. It's pretty bad to be voted out without playing an idol in your possession. What irked me about Ozzy this season was that it didn't appear he had learned at all from his previous 2 seasons. He followed largely the same gameplan - pair up with a hot girl and use her for her vote, find the idol and replace it with a fake one - of course, Ozzy used it this time around, he just wasted it on Whitney; and dominate at challenges and gathering food and then expect to be treated royally by his tribe for it. At least Coach, as much as I dislike him, played a strategic game. Ozzy seemed to think he deserved to stay in the game just because he was good at catching fish. If it weren't for Redemption Island, Ozzy would have gone out earlier than he did even in FvF.

Again, let me repeat that I am as impressed as the next Survivor fan by how good Ozzy is at challenges and surviving. But he takes that prowess and makes waaaaaay too much of it. He is strategically braindead and the amount of fawning done over him (as evidenced by that completely ridiculous segment at the reunion with that 8-year-old's idiotic question) is pathetic and unwarranted.
Ozzy didn't vote for Albert because he thought that he rode coattails and he wasn't going to vote for Coach because he back stabbed him. He did vote for Sophie, but not because he thought she was the best player.

Ozzy had the biggest target on his back in both FvF and in South Pacific. People that are great at challenges are always the first to be voted out. His strategic game this season wasn't terrible. He wanted Cockroach out since day 1, but Jim and the rest of his tribe wanted to weaken Ozzy. So everyone Ozzy wanted to stay they voted out and everyone he wanted to go stayed. Even though they were in an alliance with him! Again how is that his fault? His plan to go to RI to even up the numbers was a good move. How was he to know that Cockroach was going to flip? Jim even said that it was, because if Christine had come back into the game, she would have went to the numbers instead of choosing to pick a rock. Plus by Ozzy offering up himself, he gained a lot of respect from his tribe members. If you listened to the Survivor exit interviews, Coach's tribe was going to target Whitney, but Cockroach told them beforehand who Ozzy was going to give the idol to. Ozzy's plan to use RI to his advantage by using it to garner votes was also a very good strategic move. Did you see how much the jury loved him? If he had made it to the final 3 he would have won unanimously. Even Brandon would of voted for him and he is all about staying loyal to your tribe!

He was also right about targeting Sophia, but of course Coach didn't listen. I'm not saying that Ozzy has a great strategic mind, but he wasn't terrible this year and was certainly better than he was in his previous seasons.

[Macie Lightfoot]

She was lucky that she was on the side with the numbers advantage. She wasn't anything special as a player.

Uh EVERYONE who wins Survivor wins partly due to luck. There's so much luck in Survivor it's not even funny. But Sophie had a hell of a disadvantage with returning players.

[SoBig]

Uh... do you know who Rupert is?

That was 7 years ago. I doubt anyone even cares about Rupert now. In HvV he lost the fan vote to Russell Hantz! hahahaha

[SoBig]

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: seriously Cook Islands is one of, if not the worst season of Survivor.
Maybe to you, but to me its not.

[SoBig]

:joker: oh wait, you think Russell deserved it over Natalie too. And I'm sure Rob over Amber.
Yup and so do majority of the people that watch Survivor. Both Rob and Russell were robbed by a bitter jury.

[Macie Lightfoot]

That was 7 years ago. I doubt anyone even cares about Rupert now. In HvV he lost the fan vote to Russell Hantz! hahahaha

Rupert's fan base at its height is ridiculously bigger than Ozzy's current fan base it isn't even funny.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yup and so do majority of the people that watch Survivor. Both Rob and Russell were robbed by a bitter jury.

And a majority of people, including yourself, don't understand the basics of how Survivor works.

[SoBig]

Rupert's fan base at its height is ridiculously bigger than Ozzy's current fan base it isn't even funny.
Ozzy won the Fan vote by the largest margin in the history of Survivor. Let that sink in for a minute. It wasn't even close.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Ozzy won the Fan vote by the largest margin in the history of Survivor. Let that sink in for a minute. It wasn't even close.

Rupert won $1,000,000 by over 80% in an eighteen way vote. Case and point.

[lostalex]

Well, i guess God hates the christians. lol For all their talk about God wants them to do this, and God is looking out for me, all of the hyper-christians LOST, Ahahahaha. god hates you.

The only thing that could make this better is if Tebow gets hit by a bus tomorrow.

the One World promo looks AMAZING, can't wait.

[Marc]

The god thing really got annoying :bored:

[smartalec2718]

Yup and so do majority of the people that watch Survivor. Both Rob and Russell were robbed by a bitter jury.

I hate it when people make this excuse as to why someone "should have" won. There is no such thing as being "robbed" by a bitter jury. The jury have the ultimate say in who wins the game, so PART of the game is not making them bitter. Capisce?

Probst repeats some iteration of this idea every year when the jury phase begins. The key in the jury phase is to vote people out while not making them hate you so they'll turn around and give you the money at the end. If you piss jurors off on their way out, you're playing a bad game and don't deserve to get rewarded for it.

Rob in All-Stars and Russell in both Samoa and HvV left jurors with a bad taste in their mouths. Sure, avoiding elimination and controlling votes is part of playing a good game, but another part is positioning yourself well in the eyes of the jury. Albert and Coach utterly failed at doing so, but Sophie did a brilliant job of it in the F5 tribal council (her emotional breakdown, which I'm convinced was at least partially strategy) and at FTC (calling Coach a girl, spilling the beans about the idol, the to-the-point outwit-outlast-outplay answer).

I'm sick of people claiming some winners are undeserving. Only people who actually DO win the game are DESERVING of doing so, because they have fulfilled all the necessary requirements.

[Marc]

The thinking behind the jury decision is never static.

The jury is made up with loads of subjective opinions and it is down the final 3 to deal with their questions and if a certain jury member feels 'betrayed' etc. then that is the fault of the finalists.

Some jurors like tactical play, some like a nice honest person, some prefer a social game player. But at the end of the day the jury outcome is all that matters and if the finalists don't realise this and people feel 'robbed' of a win then they are stupid, they should always consider the reprocusions of their actions on the members of the jury before they make them.

Which is why I personally believe Coach did not deserve to win and I'm glad he didn't.

[SoBig]

I hate it when people make this excuse as to why someone "should have" won. There is no such thing as being "robbed" by a bitter jury. The jury have the ultimate say in who wins the game, so PART of the game is not making them bitter. Capisce?

Probst repeats some iteration of this idea every year when the jury phase begins. The key in the jury phase is to vote people out while not making them hate you so they'll turn around and give you the money at the end. If you piss jurors off on their way out, you're playing a bad game and don't deserve to get rewarded for it.

Rob in All-Stars and Russell in both Samoa and HvV left jurors with a bad taste in their mouths. Sure, avoiding elimination and controlling votes is part of playing a good game, but another part is positioning yourself well in the eyes of the jury. Albert and Coach utterly failed at doing so, but Sophie did a brilliant job of it in the F5 tribal council (her emotional breakdown, which I'm convinced was at least partially strategy) and at FTC (calling Coach a girl, spilling the beans about the idol, the to-the-point outwit-outlast-outplay answer).

I'm sick of people claiming some winners are undeserving. Only people who actually DO win the game are DESERVING of doing so, because they have fulfilled all the necessary requirements.
Listen to the Survivor exist interviews on http://robhasawebsite.com/survivor-sophie-clarke-coach-wade-ozzy-lusth-interview.html

They all said that Coach was the better player. Every single last one of them admitted to being bitter thats why they didn't vote for him!

Listen to it.

[SoBig]

Rupert won $1,000,000 by over 80% in an eighteen way vote. Case and point.
Rupert was a poor man's Ozzy. Put Ozzy South Pacific on All-Stars and he wins the fan vote. No doubt in my mind.

[SoBig]

You should vote for who played the best game. Period. Not vote for who you like better as a person or vote for who is most popular. You aren't on Survivor to make friends.

[SoBig]

Listen to this interview with Parvati. She talks about bitter juries. http://robhasawebsite.com/parvati-shallow-aroundworld-free.html

[smartalec2718]

Would you mind putting all that in one post instead of creating a separate post for each sentence you type? Thanks.

I didn't say there was no such thing as a bitter jury. I said PART of a being a good player is NOT making the jury bitter. Part of being a good player that deserves a win, or of playing the "best game" in your words, is MAKING JURORS WANT TO VOTE FOR YOU. IF THEY ARE BITTER ABOUT HOW YOU VOTED THEM OUT, YOU ARE NOT PLAYING A GOOD GAME AND THUS DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN.

I don't know how to make this any clearer to you. You're obviously not understanding what I'm saying.

Besides, how can you even use your malformed "bitter jury" argument in the case of South Pacific? Your words exactly: "You should vote for who played the best game. Period. Not vote for who you like better as a person or vote for who is most popular. You aren't on Survivor to make friends." Who in their right minds would say the jury liked Sophie as a person, or that she was popular? They hated her guts, but she was honest about her lying and her shortcomings, whereas Coach and Albert were not. That made the jury want to reward her with the money, which is why they voted for her, which is why she deserved to win. The jury was "bitter" at Coach for the disingenuous way he played with them (giving his word as a "Christian man," etc., then going back on all his impossible-to-keep promises), and his reward for playing a crap game was runner-up status. The jury voted Sophie to be Sole Survivor, not Miss Congeniality.

[SoBig]

Would you mind putting all that in one post instead of creating a separate post for each sentence you type? Thanks.

I didn't say there was no such thing as a bitter jury. I said PART of a being a good player is NOT making the jury bitter. Part of being a good player that deserves a win, or of playing the "best game" in your words, is MAKING JURORS WANT TO VOTE FOR YOU. IF THEY ARE BITTER ABOUT HOW YOU VOTED THEM OUT, YOU ARE NOT PLAYING A GOOD GAME AND THUS DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN.

I don't know how to make this any clearer to you. You're obviously not understanding what I'm saying.

Besides, how can you even use your malformed "bitter jury" argument in the case of South Pacific? Your words exactly: "You should vote for who played the best game. Period. Not vote for who you like better as a person or vote for who is most popular. You aren't on Survivor to make friends." Who in their right minds would say the jury liked Sophie as a person, or that she was popular? They hated her guts, but she was honest about her lying and her shortcomings, whereas Coach and Albert were not. That made the jury want to reward her with the money, which is why they voted for her, which is why she deserved to win. The jury was "bitter" at Coach for the disingenuous way he played with them (giving his word as a "Christian man," etc., then going back on all his impossible-to-keep promises), and his reward for playing a crap game was runner-up status. The jury voted Sophie to be Sole Survivor, not Miss Congeniality.
They were all bitter that Coach did not take them to the final 3. Fact. Every single last one of them. He controlled how the votes went. They basically all said "You are the reason why I'm not sitting in that chair right now, you aren't getting my vote!" They didn't hate Sophie for how she played the game. Lets be honest she had zero say in who stayed and who was voted out. She was easily going to win because of that. And they all felt that Albert was too kiss-ass to vote for him. Only reason coach did not win, because the jury was bitter that it wasn't them in that chair besides him.

If Coach played with last season's cast I'd bet anything that he would have won with that group. Coach played basically the same exact game that Rob played last year.

LMAO @ Coach played a crap game. I get that you are a Sophie fan, but come on dude.

[SoBig]

I'm not even mad that Sophie won. I'm happy that Coach did not win after backstabbing Ozzy. But Coach should have won, because he played the better game from start to finish.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Rupert was a poor man's Ozzy. Put Ozzy South Pacific on All-Stars and he wins the fan vote. No doubt in my mind.

HA that's a ****ing joke. I'm guessing you didn't watch Pearl Islands/All-Stars when they originally aired.

[Macie Lightfoot]

You should vote for who played the best game. Period. Not vote for who you like better as a person or vote for who is most popular. You aren't on Survivor to make friends.

But part of playing the best game is being more likable than your opponents. If you're an openly arrogant, pompous, condescending, abrasive asshole, you're a fool in thinking you're going to get votes. Why on Earth would someone give $1,000,000 to someone they hate?

[Macie Lightfoot]

They were all bitter that Coach did not take them to the final 3. Fact. Every single last one of them. He controlled how the votes went. They basically all said "You are the reason why I'm not sitting in that chair right now, you aren't getting my vote!" They didn't hate Sophie for how she played the game. Lets be honest she had zero say in who stayed and who was voted out. She was easily going to win because of that. And they all felt that Albert was too kiss-ass to vote for him. Only reason coach did not win, because the jury was bitter that it wasn't them in that chair besides him.

If Coach played with last season's cast I'd bet anything that he would have won with that group. Coach played basically the same exact game that Rob played last year.

LMAO @ Coach played a crap game. I get that you are a Sophie fan, but come on dude.

The only "moves" Coach made were pulling people like Edna, Cochran, and Ozzy in, only to backstab them and look like a hypocrite and an asshole. Those aren't really great moves. When Coach unsure about voting out Cochran, what happened? Sophie wanted Cochran out, Albert didn't, Sophie prevailed. When Coach was unsure about voting Brandon out, what happened? Sophie wanted Brandon out, Albert didn't, Sophie prevailed. Sophie had an influence on the game without a doubt, but typically the edit didn't highlight it. That's what happens with female winners. If Jeff isn't happy (which he rarely is with female winners) and production isn't happen, they suffer in the edit. Danni suffered, Natalie suffered, Sandra to a degree suffered the second time, and Sophie suffered. You can totally see the bias in the Reunion, which I would say was one of the worst, if not the worst.

Coach did not play the exact game as Rob. While Rob is charismatic, Coach's attempt at being charismatic is hypocritical and makes him look like a complete asshole. The only reason Rob was able to control the way he did was because he had enough charisma to pull it off and be respect. Coach lacked that, which is ultimately what caused him to lose. The whole Coach/Sophie ordeal is a Russell/Natalie redux. If you don't understand it by now, you never will.

[Marc]

Coach did better than Ozzy in this game, strategically but Ozzy prevailed with challenges.

[LemonJam]

Cast ranking, anyone?

1. Albert <3
2. Stacey <3
3. Dawn <3

4. Cochran
5. Brandon (Sue me.)
6. Edna
7. Sophie
8. Christine

9. Coach (Worst season for Coach)
10. Semhar
11. Rick
12. Keith
13. Mikayla
14. Jim

15. Papa Bear
16. Elyse
17. Whitney

18. Ozzy

[smartalec2718]

Oh my dear sweet Buddha. Everything you're saying reinforces my point, and you don't even realize it.

Let's dive right in and analyze this trainwreck of a post.


They were all bitter that Coach did not take them to the final 3. Fact. Every single last one of them. He controlled how the votes went. They basically all said "You are the reason why I'm not sitting in that chair right now, you aren't getting my vote!"

Um...duh. Coach made promises he really could not keep to Cochran, Edna, Rick, Brandon, and Ozzy. He was setting himself up to fail by promising a final three berth to all of these people, when you obviously cannot uphold a final three deal with more than two other people. Making promises he couldn't keep, coupled with claiming to play a game of honor and integrity, was really as stupid a strategy as they come. Sure, they got him to the end because everyone thought he was on their side and so they had no reason to vote him out, but it is a textbook way to create bitter jurors.

Now here is where you divorce yourself from reality. Somehow you seem to believe that it is possible for a "bitter jury" to "rob" someone of a deserved win. I've said it before, I'm saying it now, and I'll say it again if necessary; IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE "ROBBED" IN SURVIVOR. Juries may be bitter and vote against someone who screwed them, but that means the person they're bitter toward did NOT play a good game and did NOT deserve to win! A good player will manage a jury well by NOT screwing every juror over, or at least, not appearing to. Sophie did this by pushing most of the responsibility for late-game boots onto Coach. A good player manage a jury well by winning sympathy and support in the last few tribal councils. Sophie also did this much better than Coach.

Coach made deals he couldn't keep, then still claimed he was an honorable man even as he inevitably had to start shanking people in the back as numbers dwindled. Sure, Coach was part of the reason "[others] weren't sitting in that chair" at the final three, but he failed to come clean about his deceptions or win the jury over, therefore, he deserved to lose.



They didn't hate Sophie for how she played the game. Lets be honest she had zero say in who stayed and who was voted out. She was easily going to win because of that.

Nope, wrong. Throughout the game post-merge Albert and Coach both came up with numerous harebrained schemes to break away from the original Upolu alliance and team up with some of the remaining Savaiis. See, for example, Albert's plan to vote out Dawn before Jim, Albert's plan to team up with Dawn/Whitney/Cochran only 1 episode later to blindside Edna, Coach considering blindsiding Rick as per Cochran's plan, Coach promising Ozzy final three and offering his HII if Ozzy were in trouble, etc.

NONE of these dumb ideas ever came to fruition. Do you know why? Stay-the-course Sophie. Sure, it may not have made compelling television, but she always shot down the stupid schemes these other two cooked up because she knew it wouldn't help her get to the end. She had a lot more than "zero say" in who went because she constantly had to fend off idiotic plans from Albert and Coach to convince them to stick to the original plan to vote out Savaii and then Cochran, Edna, Brandon, and Rick.



Only reason coach did not win, because the jury was bitter that it wasn't them in that chair besides him.

Once again...DUH...if he had dropped the honor/integrity BS and dealt with the jury in a stand-up way when they were still in the game and at FTC, they wouldn't have been bitter and Coach would have won. That was the flaw in his game.



If Coach played with last season's cast I'd bet anything that he would have won with that group. Coach played basically the same exact game that Rob played last year.

LMAO @ Coach played a crap game. I get that you are a Sophie fan, but come on dude.

Idle speculation at best. And I stand by what I said about Coach playing a crap game. He was playing to get to the end, but not to win the money. Getting to the end is only half the battle. The other half is getting there in such a way that will not preclude those you eliminated from voting for you. Your disregard for this crucial element of the game is remarkably reminiscent of Russell's. :rolleyes:

[smartalec2718]

Yup and so do majority of the people that watch Survivor. Both Rob and Russell were robbed by a bitter jury.

Oh man, I almost forgot to address this. Unless you have opinion polls that show 7 million people agree with you (which would be necessary to demonstrate a "majority of the people that watch Survivor"), please don't make grandiose statements like this. They just make you seem incompetent and unable to argue your point rationally.