What is your moral code?

[InOne]

Do you have one that you live by and stick to? For example you might follow the golden rule and treat others as you wish to be treated. Or think it's every man for themselves and always get revenge or something

*ponders mine*

[Niamh.]

I think treat others the way you would like to be treated is good one, I try to live by that one

[Novo]

I think treat others the way you would like to be treated is good one, I try to live by that one

But what about if others don't want to be treated the way you would want to be treated http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll19/ICExSCREAMY/gay_hand.gif

[Niamh.]

But what about if others don't want to be treated the way you would want to be treated http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll19/ICExSCREAMY/gay_hand.gif

then they can shag off:tongue:

[CharlieO]

I know it sounds all negative but I try as hard as I can to live not expecting anything positive from anyone and expecting disappointment so I don't get let down.
Just I always give more than people are prepared to give back so I just expect disappointment.

[King Gizzard]

Pretty decent..I don't buy that ''eye for an eye'' crap

[Ammi]

I try to understand other people's point of view, even if I don't agree with it and I don't spend time worrying about things I can't change

[Braden]

I always say to myself, 'If you don't have nothing nice to say, then don't say it all'. But then I get people telling me that i'm the biggest bitch going.

[Patrick]

'Do and say, whatever the ****** you want and don't let others tell you otherwise.
'

-Sir Patrick

[GypsyGoth]

I try to be dignified. I try to treat others with respect. And I try to make the best choices I can.

[Angus]

I always treat people as I would wish to be treated, initially. If, however, they do me or mine harm I don't subscribe to the "turn the other cheek" crap - my motto is "don't get mad, get even". It's called Justice, a concept it seems that is anathema to the judicial system these days, bearing in mind the soft sentences and downright perverse decisions made by out of touch judges living in their ivory towers instead of the real world that most of us have to inhabit.

[Lee.]

This is my moral code..

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender,
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons;
they are vexatious to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain or bitter,
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs,
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals,
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love,
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,
it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be.
And whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life,
keep peace in your soul.


With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Vomits at the bogus platitudes in thread already...

[Pyramid*]

My moral code/s?


Treat everyone with respect until they show you a good enough reason to lose that respect - and when they do - by hell....it's a long way up to earn it back.
Trust no one but yourself.
Never suffer fools gladly but never lose the ability to forgive and move on.
If someone has a negative impact on you or your life: get rid.
Always be aware that until you have walked in someone else's shoes: you really have no real idea.

[ILoveTRW]

Don't let anyone get in the way of your life, do what you want and if it hurts someone else who cares.

[Lee.]

Bogus how?

[Pyramid*]

Vomits at the bogus platitudes in thread already...

Look at the bright side: cleaning up your own sick will keep you off tibbs for a very short while.

See.....every cloud has a silver lining and all that.:devil:

[Niamh.]

Vomits at the bogus platitudes in thread already...

Don't be so negative Mr. Trumpet:nono:

[Stu]

Pass to the left.

[Zippy]

I think treat others the way you would like to be treated

you can't go far wrong with this one as a guideline

Not that I always apply it in time.

[Jords]

Be happy independently and have your own time, then when somebody lets you down, its never long until you dont care about it and are happy again.

Treat others like youd like to be treated is a good one, but bite back if somebody else aint applying this and being a tit.

[Lee.]

you can't go far wrong with this one as a guideline

Not that I always apply it in time.


Yeah, I agree. If we all treated others how we would like to be treated it would be a fairly pleasant life.

Also I believe in always trying to see good in people.

[arista]

Do you have one that you live by and stick to? For example you might follow the golden rule and treat others as you wish to be treated. Or think it's every man for themselves and always get revenge or something

*ponders mine*


You need BBC2 9PM PT.2
of Adam Curtis Docu

[arista]

'Do and say, whatever the ****** you want and don't let others tell you otherwise.
'

-Sir Patrick


Yes this One is Bad News

[Patrick]

Pass to the left.

:joker:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

be nice to people. if they can't appreciate that niceness or see the kindness as false, sod 'em to hell :D

[Zippy]

be nice to people. if they can't appreciate that niceness or see the kindness as false, sod 'em to hell :D

see, I aspire to be nice but its just not my natural default setting. Then when I force it it feels false. Kinda like a photo smile.

plus I also have very low tolerance levels.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

see, I aspire to be nice but its just not my natural default setting. Then when I force it it feels false. Kinda like a photo smile.

plus I also have very low tolerance levels.

Oh comeon Zippy. Everyone can find that natural default niceness within them. Search deeper

[Harry!]

Absolutely No Requests - Because once you have done something you can't change it.

I do stand but the treat people how you want to be treated line as I was bullied in the past and do believe people should be nicer to one another.

[ElProximo]

Wow the depth of discourse and philosophy here. The average UK morality seems to have been reduced to:
I dunno. Be nice I guess?

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

[Kerry]

See both sides of things (not easy I know)

To, no matter what, tell my family I love them daily. I can NEVER let my daughter go to bed without a hug and me telling her that. Same when she heads off to school. Don't give a sh!t how sappy that sounds

[Z]

This is my moral code..

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender,
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons;
they are vexatious to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain or bitter,
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs,
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals,
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love,
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,
it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be.
And whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life,
keep peace in your soul.


With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

I really love this Lee, where is it from? Good philosophy!!

[joeysteele]

Reach out to other people,those I know and don't know and help them when and if you can.
We journey life together, if someone's really struggling help carry their load with them.

[seanraff07]

Be yourself, unless your a wanker.

[Livia]

I try never to say anything behind anyone's back that I'm not willing to say to their face.

[Lee.]

:bawling:I really love this Lee, where is it from? Good philosophy!!

It's called Desiderata and it was written by Max Herman in the 20s. Hippies in the 70s made it popular and used to hand it out in posters form. I have it framed in ny hall and read it almost every day. :)

[InOne]

Wow the depth of discourse and philosophy here. The average UK morality seems to have been reduced to:
I dunno. Be nice I guess?

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

And I suppose yours is the Bible? :joker:

[BB_Eye]

I find it hard to deduce universal moral truths, but I act as if they did exist. The same goes for free will. I suppose you might call it faith.

[BB_Eye]

And I suppose yours is the Bible? :joker:
I have to defend El Proximo on this point actually.

It's too often taken for granted what's morally good and morally bad. The British mentality on these things is that values are a thing of common sense, when in actual fact it is very much relative to culture and conditioning and prone to change over time. This isn't to we shouldn't treat others kindly, but that it's a mistake to think of it as a spontaneous human inclination. Using ourselves as the measure of values is not enough.

[ElProximo]

And I suppose yours is the Bible? :joker:

It is yours.
It's why you believe that helping the homeless is 'morally good'. It's why you think equality is 'a good thing' to aim for.
It's why you think poor people ought to have social services.

These are things you not only accept as 'moral codes' but you don't even question them. It's nearly 'inherent' via your culture and upbringing,
and,
so much that you haven't even questioned them. Of course they are good! right?
You are probably scoffing in disbelief that I'm even talking about these as being questionable!
You have these 'moral presumptions' because of the Bible. You enjoy the benefits they bring but want to disassociate them from the source. Joker face is on you after all.

[InOne]

I have to defend El Proximo on this point actually.

It's too often taken for granted what's morally good and morally bad. The British mentality on these things is that values are a thing of common sense, when in actual fact it is very much relative to culture and conditioning and prone to change over time. This isn't to we shouldn't treat others kindly, but that it's a mistake to think of it as a spontaneous human inclination. Using ourselves as the measure of values is not enough.

It's a very tricky one really. I can see what you mean but I still don't think people get a deep sense of morality from that. Comes from inside

[InOne]

It is yours.
It's why you believe that helping the homeless is 'morally good'. It's why you think equality is 'a good thing' to aim for.
It's why you think poor people ought to have social services.

These are things you not only accept as 'moral codes' but you don't even question them. It's nearly 'inherent' via your culture and upbringing,
and,
so much that you haven't even questioned them. Of course they are good! right?
You are probably scoffing in disbelief that I'm even talking about these as being questionable!
You have these 'moral presumptions' because of the Bible. You enjoy the benefits they bring but want to disassociate them from the source. Joker face is on you after all.

Is it? Because everything you said there doesn't have anything to do with that...

[Vicky.]

Meh. I tried the treat others the way you want to be treated thing, and got **** on from a great height repeatedly. So now its pretty much do whatever the hell you like and screw what others think :/ Be nice and people walk all over you IMO, so why bother.

I agree with livias post though, I would never say something behind someones back that I wouldnt/havent said to their faces.

[ElProximo]

Is it?

Yes, it is.

Because everything you said there doesn't have anything to do with that...

Yes it does.

Now you know.

[Benjamin]

Respect those that respect you and vice versa.

[ElProximo]

Respect those that respect you and vice versa.

Why should you?
What would make it morally 'wrong' or 'right' and by what standard?

[InOne]

Yes, it is.



Yes it does.

Now you know.

Well the Bible is a pretty awful place to get your morals from if you go by it wholeheartedly. No doubt you pick and choose the "nice" bits like many others.

[Shasown]

If you cant pot the pink, pot the brown, any holes a goal.

[Niamh.]

If you cant pot the pink, pot the brown, any holes a goal.

:laugh2:

[ElProximo]

Well the Bible is a pretty awful place to get your morals from if you go by it wholeheartedly. No doubt you pick and choose the "nice" bits like many others.

Actually, idiotic half-witted 'atheist' websites are a pretty awful place to get your information from.

But let's save time and get to the heart of it:
By what standard do you judge some Jewish Laws as 'awful' and others as 'nice' anyways?
What standard of morality are you using to make those judgments?

[Z]

:bawling:

It's called Desiderata and it was written by Max Herman in the 20s. Hippies in the 70s made it popular and used to hand it out in posters form. I have it framed in ny hall and read it almost every day. :)

Awesome! That's cool that you have it framed, I really like it, it sums up my moral compass I suppose haha

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one is special, all will die, all will be forgotten.

[InOne]

Actually, idiotic half-witted 'atheist' websites are a pretty awful place to get your information from.

But let's save time and get to the heart of it:
By what standard do you judge some Jewish Laws as 'awful' and others as 'nice' anyways?
What standard of morality are you using to make those judgments?

How do you know I'm Atheist? Another silly Christian presumption. Morality comes from a more animalistic place. It's deep within. Because let's face it, a book isn't going to tell people what to do. People know the so called morals of the Bible, but how many actually follow them? Apart from the ones who pick and choose ;)

[Crimson Dynamo]

How do you know I'm Atheist? Another silly Christian presumption. Morality comes from a more animalistic place. It's deep within. Because let's face it, a book isn't going to tell people what to do. People know the so called morals of the Bible, but how many actually follow them? Apart from the ones who pick and choose ;)

The Celtic people had strong morals before the idiot jesus cult arrived from the middle east.

[InOne]

The Celtic people had strong morals before the idiot jesus cult arrived from the middle east.

Yep, Christians seem to think they invented a conscience or something.

[joeysteele]

To the World you may only be one person but to one person you may be the World.

My Grandmother always said that, I don't know where it came from but it's also a nicething to think in life.

[ElProximo]

How do you know I'm Atheist?

I don't but your rhetoric is parroted from silly atheist and antichristian propaganda.


Another silly Christian presumption.

No it isn't.


Morality comes from a more animalistic place.

What do you mean by 'animalistic'?

It's deep within.

That is what the Bible documents and claims for. Judeo-Christian thought (others too) but that it is an inherent moral compass.

Because let's face it, a book isn't going to tell people what to do.

It most definitely does guide people. the foundation of your society based on a book.
But it isn't the 'book telling' anyways. Nobody thought the book itself was a 'person'.

People know the so called morals of the Bible, but how many actually follow them? Apart from the ones who pick and choose ;)

To save time let's get to your 'winking' crap. You saw a website (or a comedian who saw a website) listing laws given to Israelites and then what is (or is not) for Jews and Christians entering the New Covenant.

This lame thing where Ricky Gervais or someone says "They follow the part about no gays but wont choose the ban on Shellfish".

Oh no. It turns out you are ignorant.

But what I'd still like to know is by what authority can you make these moral judgements?
How do I know your 'deep animal' judgment of bible morality is right?
Or better?
You can claim to have superior morals but how would we decide that? By what 'ruler'?

[ElProximo]

The Celtic people had strong morals before the idiot jesus cult arrived from the middle east.

You and the other one mistakenly believe that Christians or Jews believe morality came from the Bible.

Having said that, Celts had moral standards that you would find absolutely horrifying today. You would say are 'Immoral'.

And you also have this question to answer first:
What do you mean by 'strong morals' and this is asking you by what standard do you judge them as 'strong'?
By what 'measure' are you judging their morals as 'strong' or not?

Try and answer that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You and the other one mistakenly believe that Christians or Jews believe morality came from the Bible.

Having said that, Celts had moral standards that you would find absolutely horrifying today. You would say are 'Immoral'.

And you also have this question to answer first:
What do you mean by 'strong morals' and this is asking you by what standard do you judge them as 'strong'?
By what 'measure' are you judging their morals as 'strong' or not?

Try and answer that.

All christians ever bang on about is how their moral code hails from the bible. No one is questioning that Celtic morals are different than today.

Strong as in well defined, based on fairness, family, tribesmanship and survival.

Trócar (modern 'trócaire')
- "Mercy": This comes from 'tróg' + 'car', literally "friendly to pity". Old Celtic 'trógá ' means both "sorrow, grief" and the emotions aroused by seeing this in others. The idea is the ability and willingness to empathize with others. In legal situations it carries the meaning of "leniency". Welsh uses the same word: 'trugaredd'

Fíreoin (ie, Fírén, modern 'fírán')
- "Justice": This is really derived from 'fírue', "truth" and refers to the discerning of the truth in a situation, which results in justice.

Cosmail (modern 'cosúil')
- "Similar, Fitting": The noun is 'cosmailius' (modern 'cosúlacht'). It originally comes from Old Celtic 'kom- samalis', which gives the idea of "like goes with like". It doesn't per se mean "impartiality", but the idea is of doing what the situation normally requires, rather than changing the rules.

Cuibsech - "Conscientious, Scrupulous"
: The noun is 'cubus' (modern 'coibhse', which now means "confession, examination of conscience"). The best modern English equivalent might be "responsibility" -- the awareness of one's duties to others.

Fossad (modern 'fosadh')
- "Steadiness, Stability": It literally means "having a seat under oneself". It means consistency and firmness in one's position, not easily swayed by outside opinion (ie, from pursuing the truth).

Eslabra - "Generous, Liberal, Unstinting"
: The noun is 'eslabrae'. Originally from Old Celtic 'ex slabratobis' "out of chains" -- ie, knowing no bounds. The idea is that one doesn't place arbitrary limits on one's generosity and availability.

Gart - "Generosity, Hospitality, Open-Handedness"
: It comes from a root meaning "warm", so its literal meaning is "warmth, friendliness" --acceptance and openness to other people, giving each their due.

Fíalainech
: This is composed of 'fíal' ("faithful, seemly, proper, generous, noble") and 'enech' ("face, honour"). It means essentially "politeness, courteous behaviour".

Sessach (modern 'seasmhach', from 'sessmach')
- "Sturdy, Strong, Steadfast": The noun is 'sessacht' or 'sessmacht'. the idea is someone who stands his ground and is not easily intimidated.

Lessach - "Helpful, Beneficent"
: This comes from the noun 'les' (modern 'leas') which means "(someone's) good", and also refers to the verb 'lessad' (modern stem 'leasaigh') 'to remedy". The idea is to seek actively to help other people.

Étir (modern 'féidir', as in 'is féidir liom' "I can")
- "Power, Ability": A modern English equivalent might be "competence".

Iondraic (modern 'ionraic')
- "Honest, Trustworthy": The noun is 'iondracus'(modern 'ionracas'). In a legal context it refer to a witness whose testimony can be believed.

Soithnge - "Eloquent"
: Originally 'so + tengae', literally "good with tongue" . The noun is 'soithnges'. This refers, of course, to the Celtic emphasis on the mastery of good language.

Forusta (modern 'forasta')
- "Well-Grounded, Sedate, Composed": The noun is 'forus' (modern 'foras') which originally means "established base". The idea is "calm, composed" -- also "sensible".

Fírbrethach - "Giving Correct Judgment"
: Self-explanatory from 'fír' "true" and 'breth' "judgment" -- ie, not allowing one's personal bias to interfere with the determination of right and wrong.

http://www.fhaoil-choin.org/virtues.htm

[ElProximo]

All christians ever bang on about is how their moral code hails from the bible.

No they don't.
The very premise is that Adam and Eve are created with inherent morality.
They are actually aware of 'right and wrong' from the beginning. This compass is 'damaged' however it is understood they and their children (till today) have inherent moral compass.

This is discussed again in the New Testament (the conscience etc).

So you were 'debunking' your own misunderstanding. Score zero for you on that one.

No one is questioning that Celtic morals are different than today.

Okay then.

Strong as in well defined, based on fairness, family, tribesmanship and survival.

I think you might be taking this literally. I wonder if you are saying 'Good' or 'Right' morality?
I'm asking you to step back a bit and try and decide why it is 'morally right' or 'good'?

As an example:

Lessach - "Helpful, Beneficent"
: This comes from the noun 'les' (modern 'leas') which means "(someone's) good", and also refers to the verb 'lessad' (modern stem 'leasaigh') 'to remedy". The idea is to seek actively to help other people.

Why should that be considered 'morally good' to do? What if someone says the tears of strangers are water?
That they are receiving the rewards (or punishments) from their previous life.
To interfere is to only keep them from their Karma and lesson?

But suppose next week a lot of your neighbours show up at the door. You know that nice young lady. Quite pretty. Best friend.
They abduct her..
...you try and stop them but.. they hold you down. Even the police are helping them!
In the middle of the street they strip her down, put a costume on her and douse her in gasoline.
Her mother is wailing and terrified. Her father is.. helping douse her. She is screaming.
To your horror they dance around her as she screams, they have tied her cat and dog and thrown them to her.. dousing them in gasoline too,
and,
to your horror a match is thrown on them.. horrifying.. the cat and dog burn and squeal and she is dying slowly..
..the neighbours are chanting and HAPPY!
You can't stop them! Watching helpless.
The Celts are ashamed of you. You immoral person. For everyone knows it is GOOD for the community to do this. You say it is 'morally wrong'?
Why?