Should people commit Suicide.

[Mr XcX]

Discuss Peeps.

[Shaun]

Yes.

[Stu]

Absoloutely. As long as you are eighteen or over and have a valid ID.

[Marsh.]

Um, allowed? Are people regularly given "permission" to toss themselves off a bridge?

[Mr XcX]

I say No.

[Ninastar]

Yes

[Jordan.]

Yes.

[InOne]

Depends on the situation.

[CharlieO]

You should be allowed to take your own life when ever you please. I don't understand the massive taboo that is death, its not like the person will regret it they don't have the ability to feel anything.

Depressions is the most horrible feeling in the world and I had a mild case of it. I can only imagine how crap it would be for someone feeling that constantly to more of a concentration. Why make someone live when they will feel less pain dead?

[Mr XcX]

Um, allowed? Are people regularly given "permission" to toss themselves off a bridge?

I mean it in a variety of meaning.

For example someone in Hospital with cancer could ask the doctor to kill them with an overdose. However it is against the law. etc

[Patrick]

Absoloutely. As long as you are eighteen or over and have a valid ID.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Niamh.]

I mean it in a variety of meaning.

For example someone in Hospital with cancer could ask the doctor to kill them with an overdose. However it is against the law. etc

That's more Euthanasia rather than suicide

[Mr XcX]

Why are Y'all saying yes. So are you saying if someone you loved took an overdose you would leave them to die.

Do not think so.

[Mr XcX]

That's more Euthanasia rather than suicide

This thread also covers this topic too.

[Patrick]

In all honesty though - what are the police going to do?

Handcuff the ******ing corpse?
Making it illegal is almost as pointless as making Cannabis illegal.

[Jordan.]

The only time it shouldn't be allowed is for people serving life in prison.

[Marsh.]

I mean it in a variety of meaning.

For example someone in Hospital with cancer could ask the doctor to kill them with an overdose. However it is against the law. etc

That's a different subject. Euthanasia.

[Ammi]

If someone wants to commit suicide I don't think they'll worry about whether they're allowed or not

[Stu]

Just to put it out there I believe infinitely that suicide is virtually always wrong and always stupid. I wouldn't stop others from doing it but I think unless you have serious physical disfigurements or mental tendancies that could either mean you are a danger to yourself or others or are in constant pain - an extreme situation like that - then there is always a way to make things better. Even if you are at the very bottom you can only work up.

I think people who can't do this either wallow in self pity like an obese pig revelling in a vat of chicken or just don't have the intelligence or mental capacity to creatively get up, get going and make things better.

Kill yourself if you want but it's a cowards way out and an utter mockery of the very special, beautiful chance at this whole life business that you've been given.

[Mr XcX]

Suicide is SELFISH and WRONG!!!

No one should be allowed to. By saying yes you are effectively saying Serial Killers should "have the right" to kill themselves.

[CharlieO]

Why are Y'all saying yes. So are you saying if someone you loved took an overdose you would leave them to die.

Do not think so.

If I had made a decision, not snap judgement and I wanted to kill myself I would want people to let me.

Depressions is a horrible feeling, why should someone have to live with more pain than die and be dead with none? Depression isn't just mental you can actually physically feel it.

[arista]

If someone wants to commit suicide I don't think they'll worry about whether they're allowed or not



Hang On a Min.

I might be on a Important Train Journey


I do nor want another one under.

[Doogle]

I don't think suicide is ever something people should go to, no matter how bad their situation, but if that person wants to then that's their choice.

Also I agree about the prison thing.

[Mr XcX]

Just to put it out there I believe infinitely that suicide is virtually always wrong and always stupid. I wouldn't stop others from doing it but I think unless you have serious physical disfigurements or mental tendancies that could either mean you are a danger to yourself or others or are in constant pain - an extreme situation like that - then there is always a way to make things better. Even if you are at the very bottom you can only work up.

I think people who can't do this either wallow in self pity like an obese pig revelling in a vat of chicken or just don't have the intelligence or mental capacity to creatively get up, get going and make things better.

Kill yourself if you want but it's a cowards way out and an utter mockery of the very special, beautiful chance at this whole life business that you've been given.

I agree with some points you make.

I think Suicide is Wrong in all cases, even in Euthansia.

[Stu]

Suicide is SELFISH and WRONG!!!

No one should be allowed to. By saying yes you are effectively saying Serial Killers should "have the right" to kill themselves.
Yeah it's selfish and wrong most of the time, I agree, but so is denying others their personal freedoms to do whatever they want with their own bodies and minds as long as they are not harming others.

Yeah you could say they are causing loved ones great anguish but that's just the harsh reality of it. What are you going to do, tie up someone and keep them sectioned off in a room because you want them to stick around on good ol' planet earth?

[arista]

I agree with some points you make.

I think Suicide is Wrong in all cases, even in Euthansia.



Yes it may be Wrong
but you can not stop it .

[Chuck]

Yes.

[Patrick]

The only time it shouldn't be allowed is for people serving life in prison.

I would so kill myself if I was given life, honestly.

[Mr XcX]

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

[Mr XcX]

Do you think it is right that for example, an independent Mother who is stuggling should kill herself leaving her children to fend for themselves.

[Niamh.]

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

of course you would.

[Ammi]

Hang On a Min.

I might be on a Important Train Journey


I do nor want another one under.

Always allow time for a delay

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX
I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

Yes but if they begged me to let them die and I could see the seriousness in their eyes I would let them die.

Its someones own choice to kill themselves and I don't thinks its fair to call it selfish and cowardly because people make decisions for their own reasons and you cant really say wether it was right or wrong unless you've been in that position.

[Stu]

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!
That's got nothing to do with it.

Obviously people would call an ambulance if such a thing happened. It's the natural human reaction to try and save someone. But that doesn't conflict with the view that people should be allowed do it. If it was happening right in front of you you would try and stop it sure but most people are discreet about it, aren't they.

[GypsyGoth]

People are allowed to kill themselves already. And of course we should have that right.

[Mr XcX]

Yes but if they begged me to let them die and I could see the seriousness in their eyes I would let them die.

Its someones own choice to kill themselves and I don't thinks its fair to call it selfish and cowardly because people make decisions for their own reasons and you cant really say wether it was right or wrong unless you've been in that position.

You would leave them to die!!!

That is near to murder!!!!

YOU would be responsible for leaving them to die!!! YOU would face the consequences from their family!!! Anyone could have seriousness in their eyes, for all you know the person may have been under medication that was making them depressed and thus may have not wanted to kill themselves if they where not under that medication. I have no Idea how anyone would just leave someone to die.

[Ammi]

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

Yea I would but thats just stopping one attempt, if they want to die you can't stop them from trying again until they succeed

[Conor]

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

[Mr XcX]

That's got nothing to do with it.
Obviously people would call an ambulance if such a thing happened. It's the natural human reaction to try and save someone. But that doesn't conflict with the view that people should be allowed do it. If it was happening right in front of you you would try and stop it sure but most people are discreet about it, aren't they.

No, you are saying people "SHOULD be Allowed to" Therefore you would leave them to die because you are saying it is their "right" to do it.

[Shaun]

xcx, please, quit the capital letters and exclamations charade. It's so tiresome.

[Niamh.]

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

not necessarily that different, one is mental pain and the other is physical

[Mr XcX]

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

Agree.

But I also believe Euthanasia is wrong too.

[Stu]

No, you are saying people "SHOULD be Allowed to" Therefore you would leave them to die because you are saying it is their "right" to do it.
Right. Now read the bit under the bold text you formatted. That's my reply.

[Mr XcX]

xcx, please, quit the capital letters and exclamations charade. It's so tiresome.

lol, I just do it without thinking I have done it.

[Stu]

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...
That's all well and good but what would you do then? Legislate life? If people want to kill themselves they will find a way. How can you say it's illegal for people to take themselves out of the world? Isin't that just imprisonment on a massive, massive scale?

And how would you enforce the law?

[Conor]

not necessarily that different, one is mental pain and the other is physical

If someone is terminally ill and hospitalised, with the prospect of an undignified and long, painful death I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to die early, as opposed to some stroppy teen suffering 'eternal woes' hurling themselves in front of the M1.

[CharlieO]

You would leave them to die!!!

That is near to murder!!!!

YOU would be responsible for leaving them to die!!! YOU would face the consequences from their family!!! Anyone could have seriousness in their eyes, for all you know the person may have been under medication that was making them depressed and thus may have not wanted to kill themselves if they where not under that medication. I have no Idea how anyone would just leave someone to die.

No its not near to murder. How is it my responsibility in the first place?

Obviously I would but if someone wouldn't stop begging me why should I force them to live and be put in a mental home or something when they made the decision to kill themselves. Even if they were on drugs its still their body and their choices so who am I to stop letting them do as they please.
I would call an ambulance in most cases but not definitely all.

Just because I know if I chose to kill myself I would not want others trying to make me stop if I knew I really wanted too. And you don't know if there is an after life so if there is a heaven like place that one goes to, then why deny them the ability to explore the fact of a better place and make them suffer living. Depression can be torture and I bet you think killing instantly is better than torture if it was like being done by a serial killer or something.

[Conor]

That's all well and good but what would you do then? Legislate life? If people want to kill themselves they will find a way. How can you say it's illegal for people to take themselves out of the world? Isin't that just imprisonment on a massive, massive scale?

And how would you enforce the law?

I never said it should be enforced legally. As a law student, I realise it is impossible. I took the question as a matter of personal opinion.

[Mr XcX]

Right. Now read the bit under the bold text you formatted. That's my reply.

It is not a very good reply because you are saying that it is "Allowed" to kill themselves yet you would save someone who did try to kill themselves.

Do not think so.

[Stu]

I never said it should be enforced legally. As a law student, I realise it is impossible. However I don't agree with suicide at all.
Neither do I but I just can't bring myself to say people shouldn't be allowed do it. Especially when as we are establishing here the sentence itself has no practical application. You can disagree with suicide all you like but you can't really put into practice not allowing people to do it.

[Mr XcX]

No its not near to murder. How is it my responsibility in the first place?

Obviously I would but if someone wouldn't stop begging me why should I force them to live and be put in a mental home or something when they made the decision to kill themselves. Even if they were on drugs its still their body and their choices so who am I to stop letting them do as they please. I would call an ambulance in most cases but not definitely all.

Just because I know if I chose to kill myself I would not want others trying to make me stop if I knew I really wanted too. And you don't know if there is an after life so if there is a heaven like place that one goes to, then why deny them the ability to explore the fact of a better place and make them suffer living. Depression can be torture and I bet you think killing instantly is better than torture if it was like being done by a serial killer or something.

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are NOT thinking straight!!! Yet you would just leave them BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BODY. ROFL!!!!!

You would also probably get arrested if you did that too. Assisting in Suicide is a serious offense. Please think more logically before you make silly comments.

[Stu]

It is not a very good reply because you are saying that it is "Allowed" to kill themselves yet you would save someone who did try to kill themselves.

Do not think so.
If they were serious about it they would just kill themselves when I'm not there later anyway, wouldn't they?

I just don't want anyone dying on my watch, dragging their own stupidity across my concious. If they want to whack themselves later that night alone in their appartment it's there loss.

[Niamh.]

If someone is terminally ill and hospitalised, with the prospect of an undignified and long, painful death I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to die early, as opposed to some stroppy teen suffering 'eternal woes' hurling themselves in front of the M1.

well, my best friend killed herself when she was 18. I can assure you it was much more than "being a stroppy teen" , she was suffering from depression and I don't think anyone who hasn't suffered from depression can really understand just how hopeless things may seem.

[Conor]

Neither do I but I just can't bring myself to say people shouldn't be allowed do it. Especially when as we are establishing here the sentence itself has no practical application. You can disagree with suicide all you like but you can't really put into practice not allowing people to do it.

I think you're misunderstanding me though. I'm just sharing my opinion that people should never see it as an option. I have no wish for it to be legally enforced. At the end of the day, if some randomer's gonna jump, I wont be there to stop them.

[Mr XcX]

If they were serious about it they would just kill themselves when I'm not there later anyway, wouldn't they?

I just don't want anyone dying on my watch, dragging their own stupidity across my concious. If they want to whack themselves later that night alone in their appartment it's there loss.

Okay. I agree with you. But helping them would get the individual the help they need and then they would not commit Suicide.

I respect your opinion

[CharlieO]

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are NOT thinking straight!!! Yet you would just leave them BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BODY. ROFL!!!!!

You would also probably get arrested if you did that too. Assisting in Suicide is a serious offense. Please think more logically before you make silly comments.

Its not assisting suicide its just not stopping it. I may put myself in danger by helping them so why is it my duty to do that?

The drugs were put into their body most likely on their accord so it is their body their problem. But someone on drugs I would stay back and call 999.

However if it was someone not on drugs and they begged I would listen to them.

[Mr XcX]

well, my best friend killed herself when she was 18. I can assure you it was much more than "being a stroppy teen" , she was suffering from depression and I don't think anyone who hasn't suffered from depression can really understand just how hopeless things may seem.

Yes, and I am sure you heard of all the sadness her actions brought on her family. People in that condition can get help.

My Uncle Shot himself with a shotgun though the head. We always saw how depressed he was and we blame ourselfs for not getting him help.

[Niamh.]

Yes, and I am sure you heard of all the sadness her actions brought on her family. People in that condition can get help.

My Uncle Shot himself with a shotgun though the head. We always saw how depressed he was and we blame ourselfs for not getting him help.

She was getting help though.

[Mr XcX]

Its not assisting suicide its just not stopping it. I may put myself in danger by helping them so why is it my duty to do that?

The drugs were put into their body most likely on their accord so it is their body their problem. But someone on drugs I would stay back and call 999.

However if it was someone not on drugs and they begged I would listen to them.

There was a reason I SAID MEDICAL DRUGS!!! When used for MEDICAL matters they can have depressive mind side affects.

BTW How on earth could you tell they WHERE on drugs. You would leave them to die and then have their death on your mind.

[Mr XcX]

She was getting help though.

Well she was most probably not getting the right help for her.

[CharlieO]

There was a reason I SAID MEDICAL DRUGS!!! When used for MEDICAL matters they can have depressive mind side affects.

BTW How on earth could you tell they WHERE on drugs. You would leave them to die and then have their death on your mind.

Indeed I would feel partially guilty but I would only leave someone to die if they begged me. That way I wouldn't feel that guilty because they were getting what they wanted in that moment. On drugs or not. I would feel more guilty seeing them locked up in a mental hospital going mad when they asked me to let them die.

[Mr XcX]

Indeed I would feel partially guilty but I would only leave someone to die if they begged me. That way I wouldn't feel that guilty because they were getting what they wanted in that moment. On drugs or not. I would feel more guilty seeing them locked up in a mental hospital going mad when they asked me to let them die.

Who says they WOULD GO IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!! They would get mental help and therefore would be able to live a happy life. You are a very silly person if you think they would get locked up for the rest of their days in a mental Hospital. ROFL

[CharlieO]

Who says they WOULD GO IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!! They would get mental help and therefore would be able to live a happy life. You are a very silly person if you think they would get locked up for the rest of their days in a mental Hospital. ROFL

Have you ever experienced depression that makes you feel like you want to kill yourself for more than a split second?? No

So I don't really think you can say suicide is wrong when you haven't experienced what has caused someone to do that.

Some people aren't strong enough to cope with it so why should they be forced to be tortured by it. And its not as simple as to just get help.
Just because modern recourses can help people doesn't mean they work for everyone.
To force someone to die is wrong? so why isn't forcing someone to live if life is worse than death for some people?

[Mr XcX]

Have you ever experienced depression that makes you feel like you want to kill yourself for more than a split second?? No

So I don't really think you can say suicide is wrong when you haven't experienced what has caused someone to do that.

Some people aren't strong enough to cope with it so why should they be forced to be tortured by it. And its not as simple as to just get help.
Just because modern recourses can help people doesn't mean they work for everyone.
To force someone to die is wrong? so why isn't forcing someone to live if life is worse than death for some people?

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

End of story. I find what you are saying absolutely shocking and laughable.

Many agree with my views and I think your views are in the minority. The LAW agrees with me and I can quite assure you If you left someone for dead you would get arrested and throw away the key.

What would happen for example if the person who "begged" you to leave them was rescued and recovered, and afterward regretted wanting to kill themselves and realized how worthwhile life is worth living. You would then have egg on your face Charlie Osborne.

Leaving them for dead is near murder no matter how many times you try to sugar coat it with BS like them "begging" you to leave them.

[arista]

Always allow time for a delay


That kind of Delay can be hours
getting bits of body off the track
so no one can see it

[CharlieO]

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

End of story. I find what you are saying absolutely shocking and laughable.

Many agree with my views and I think your views are in the minority. The LAW agrees with me and I can quite assure you If you left someone for dead you would get arrested and throw away the key.

What would happen for example if the person who "begged" you to leave them was rescued and recovered, and afterward regretted wanting to kill themselves and realized how worthwhile life is worth living. You would then have egg on your face Mr Charlie Osborne.

Leaving them for dead is near murder no matter how many times you try to sugar coat it with BS like them "begging" you to leave them.

Yes but you made a thread saying discuss so to insult my view is pretty stilly as surely that was the point of the thread? oh wait clearly you just wanted to get your point across.

My view is my view and I'm not asking anyone to agree with me so I dont care to be honest.
What if you saved someones life who was mad and had an urge to kill humans and you allowed many more humans to be killed because you saved that persons life when in fact they were doing the noble thing and protecting others? it works both ways.

[Stu]

Yeah the odds of that actually happening are pretty workable in the real world, aren't they.

[CharlieO]

Yeah the odds of that actually happening are pretty workable in the real world, aren't they.

The odds of saving someones life and them realising life is amazing, isn't that likely. Its just giving another point of view. The odds of me being able to save someones life when they themselves have chosen to take it isn't likely either. This whole conversations is hypothetical.

[Princess]

Allowed??? You can't exactly stop them.

[Stu]

The odds of saving someones life and them realising life is amazing, isn't that likely.
Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

[Mr XcX]

Yes but you made a thread saying discuss so to insult my view is pretty stilly as surely that was the point of the thread? oh wait clearly you just wanted to get your point across.

My view is my view and I'm not asking anyone to agree with me so I dont care to be honest.
What if you saved someones life who was mad and had an urge to kill humans and you allowed many more humans to be killed because you saved that persons life when in fact they were doing the noble thing and protecting others? it works both ways.

The odds of that is very slim. Plus, IMO your points are heavily flawed and lack substance.

[Mr XcX]

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

Thank you.

I seem to be agreeing with you alot today.

[CharlieO]

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

Im sorry but how can you say that. Do you even know the feeling that drives someone to do that? You are saying that its easy to recover from that sort of illness. It isn't easy and isn't a pleasant experience. Why should people have to live a life like that?

I realise the statements are far apart. But to say you can just get better is ridiculous. Death may be an easy way out but how is it wrong? Why waste your life trying to beat something which is eating you alive when you can just beat it in a heart beat?

[Mr XcX]

Im sorry but how can you say that. Do you even know the feeling that drives someone to do that? You are saying that its easy to recover from that sort of illness. It isn't easy and isn't a pleasant experience. Why should people have to live a life like that?

I realise the statements are far apart. But to say you can just get better is ridiculous. Death may be an easy way out but how is it wrong? Why waste your life trying to beat something which is eating you alive when you can just beat it in a heart beat?

People get help in the form of Doctors, socail groups, etc.

You are saying DEATH is the easy option!!! My goodness!!! :shocked:

I have survived open heart surgery after being fatally stabbed. I know what I am talking about. Once you survive the situation you get to take life more worthwhile. I am shocked as you would say to someone who is depressed that death is the easy option.

[Marsh.]

Suicide is SELFISH and WRONG!!!

No one should be allowed to. By saying yes you are effectively saying Serial Killers should "have the right" to kill themselves.


If serial killers think they have the right to take other people's lives they shouldn't be given a chance to kill themselves. They should be shot in the head.

[Mr XcX]

If serial killers think they have the right to take other people's lives they shouldn't be given a chance to kill themselves. They should be shot in the head.

Good point.

[Stu]

Im sorry but how can you say that
Say what? You are just making all of this up on my behalf. Where did I say it was easy? Or that it was a dead cert that you could just get better? I never said any of those things.

All I said was that the odds of the saved life turning out to be a blessing in disguise and second chance at happyness scenario were much better, much more logical and much more realistic than the odds of the saved life turning out to be a murderous, cancer to society psychopath scenario.

[CharlieO]

The odds of that is very slim. Plus, IMO your points are heavily flawed and lack substance.

Well in my opinion your points don't allow another human beings choice because you don't understand how they feel. You act as if suicide is an easy decision. People who commit suicide want to be happy and live just as much as the average joe its just they cant. 'Getting Better' from depressions IS NOT EASY they have to make huge life changes and it is hard. Its not like you got to a counsellor for an hour a week and magically you're better. You have to mentally change yourself and make an effort to control thoughts for every second of the day. Not many people could cope with that. Suicide may be easier than fixing yourself but it is not easy compared to the life a 'normal' person lives.

[Marsh.]

People get help in the form of Doctors, socail groups, etc.

You are saying DEATH is the easy option!!! My goodness!!! :shocked:

I have survived open heart surgery after being fatally stabbed. I know what I am talking about. Once you survive the situation you get to take life more worthwhile. I am shocked as you would say to someone who is depressed that death is the easy option.

I agree. It's not easy to simply say they can "just get better". There's a lot of work and heartache involved but there are ways to a better life when suffering depression. Death is the ultimate last, last resort that shouldn't really be considered.

[CharlieO]

Im not saying people should kill themselves if they feel depression I'm saying if someone cant cope how is it anyone else's place to judge it as 'wrong' or 'selfish'.

And I've survived clinical depression and got better, because being stabbed in the leg by my own father and having my arm broken by him. I went literally mad and I survived.

All I'm saying is that its not fair to judge someones decision because the feeling of depression is horrible and I've never felt anything worse and my condition wasn't that bad compared to some. Your whole life is destroyed because its not something you can control. Everything you see can turn bleak and worthless I cried every time I talked for 4 months because of it, I went mute at school because if I spoke I would cry. You get feeling of emptiness and its literally like the breaths you take mean nothing like your emotions aren't even there anymore and you are losing you soul. (yes its not being stabbed in the heart but its a different kind of pain which is arguably worse)

Yes I got help and tried to get through it but not on my own accord because I was threatened into it by my mother. But I tired to kill myself twice and had my stomach pumped twice. I do not wish I died now but I would have not minded if I did. If i had to take more than the year I took of the depression I don't think I would have coped. Its not easy to survive depression and its not something you can imagine feeling.

[Mr XcX]

Im not saying people should kill themselves if they feel depression I'm saying if someone cant cope how is it anyone else's place to judge it as 'wrong' or 'selfish'.

And I've survived clinical depression and got better, because being stabbed in the leg by my own father and having my arm broken by him. I went literally mad and I survived.

All I'm saying is that its not fair to judge someones decision because the feeling of depression is horrible and I've never felt anything worse and my condition wasn't that bad compared to some. Your whole life is destroyed because its not something you can control. Everything you see can turn bleak and worthless I cried every time I talked for 4 months because of it, I went mute at school because if I spoke I would cry. You get feeling of emptiness and its literally like the breaths you take mean nothing like your emotions aren't even there anymore and you are losing you soul. (yes its not being stabbed in the heart but its a different kind of pain which is arguably worse)

Yes I got help and tried to get through it but not on my own accord because I was threatened into it by my mother. But I tired to kill myself twice and had my stomach pumped twice. I do not wish I died now but I would have not minded if I did. If i had to take more than the year I took of the depression I don't think I would have coped. Its not easy to survive depression and its not something you can imagine feeling.

You have just proved my POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said you would leave someone to DIE!!! Correct.
Well, you just said yourself you regretted killing yourself. But you would leave the other individual to die.

Like I said you would help someone get help. Not leave them to die.

Plus YOU DID say that death is an easy option and do not deny it.

It is outragous for you to effectively say that someone who is depressed (even though you got medical help) to go and commit suicide

[Scarlett.]

Why are Y'all saying yes. So are you saying if someone you loved took an overdose you would leave them to die.

Do not think so.

You know nothing.

My mum lived in constant pain since I was about four years old, there was no chance of her ever getting better, she had to take a bunch of tablets every day, four times a day, she lived like this for around 10 years, I don't blame her for what she did, not only was she not happy, it wasnt fair on my family either, due to her being so ill, I underachived when I was at school, since I never turned up, I was scared of leaving her home alone, due to this I got overweight. It was hard losing her, it still is, but I know she tried her best, but what she was living was hardly what I'd call a forfilled life.

So yeah, you know nothing.

[letmein]

Suicide is SELFISH and WRONG!!!

No one should be allowed to. By saying yes you are effectively saying Serial Killers should "have the right" to kill themselves.

They do, and if they would, they'd really be helping us out!:dance:

[Shaun]

now I look like I think people should commit suicide :(

[Mr XcX]

You know nothing.

My mum lived in constant pain since I was about four years old, there was no chance of her ever getting better, she had to take a bunch of tablets every day, four times a day, she lived like this for around 10 years, I don't blame her for what she did, not only was she not happy, it wasnt fair on my family either, due to her being so ill, I underachived when I was at school, since I never turned up, I was scared of leaving her home alone, due to this I got overweight. It was hard losing her, it still is, but I know she tried her best, but what she was living was hardly what I'd call a forfilled life.

So yeah, you know nothing.

You are the one who know's nothing my dear.

Would you rather your mum kill herself??? She kept going which is the right thing to do.

I have survived open heart surgery after a fatal stabbing. I believe life is blessed. Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

[Ninastar]

jesus christ.

[Mr XcX]

jesus christ.

Please elaborate.

[Scarlett.]

You are the one who know's nothing my dear.

Would you rather your mum kill herself??? She kept going which is the right thing to do.

I have survived open heart surgery after a fatal stabbing. I believe life is blessed. Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

I'd rather she lived, but to be honest, they cycle I was stuck in would have lead to me living a half life, I'm not saying I wanted her to die, but it actually lead to me getting some normality in my life, I would in no way say she was selfish.

[Mr XcX]

I'd rather she lived, but to be honest, they cycle I was stuck in would have lead to me living a half life, I'm not saying I wanted her to die, but it actually lead to me getting some normality in my life, I would in no way say she was selfish.

I do not understand. Did she commit suicide??

[Scarlett.]

I do not understand. Did she commit suicide??

Yeah, she did.

[Stu]

If I can change ...

... and you can change ...

http://mimg.ugo.com/201002/36046/rocky-iv-speech.jpg

THEN MAYBE WE CAN ALL CHANGE!

[Mr XcX]

Yeah, she did.

Well, she should have gotten help. Did your father help her?

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH. It tears family's apart. That is my opinion and I stick with it.

[joeysteele]

Many people who commit suicide don't really deep down want to die. Often it's some massive pressure in life that has pushed them over the edge completely and they cannot see any other way out.
The problem can be one or more of many reasons.

It's sad to think so many people feel they really have no one or nowhere to turn when they fall that deep into hopelessness.
They are not thinking straight,often it's a cry for help that goes wrong or its impulsive with no rational thought given to the consequences.

IF someone is intent on killing themselves then they will but I feel as a fellow Human being,if I knew someone had tried to before or was about to go about killing themselves I would want to try to talk them out of it,whether that was someone close to me or someone I had just met.

Life is precious, I would want to do all in my power to try to stop someone ending their life via suicide.

Those with cancer and the euthanasia argument are different,that's a whole new debate.
I just wish there were more people and more help for anyone feeling really suicidal to go to and get objective,'confidential' help and support to help them through whatever difficulties or trauma has brought them to feel that way.

[Scarlett.]

Well, she should have gotten help. Did your father help her?

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH. It tears family's apart. That is my opinion and I stick with it.

No, he didn't, my mum planned it in secret, she left a note for us, also she made sure we were alright with it, without us realising, she asked us if we agree with suicide (she taught me and my brother a lot of morals, so we never questioned it). Also the weeks before, she made sure that she spent all the time she could with us, and it didn't tear our family apart, the damn illness she had was already doing that.

I don't really agree with people commiting suicide willy nilly, but there are times when it really is justified.

[Mr XcX]

Many people who commit suicide don't really deep down want to die. Often it's some massive pressure in life that has pushed them over the edge completely and they cannot see any other way out.
The problem can be one or more of many reasons.

It's sad to think so many people feel they really have no one or nowhere to turn when they fall that deep into hopelessness.
They are not thinking straight,often it's a cry for help that goes wrong or its impulsive with no rational thought given to the consequences.

IF someone is intent on killing themselves then they will but I feel as a fellow Human being,if I knew someone had tried to before or was about to go about killing themselves I would want to try to talk them out of it,whether that was someone close to me or someone I had just met.

Life is precious, I would want to do all in my power to try to stop someone ending their life via suicide.

Those with cancer and the euthanasia argument are different,that's a whole new debate.
I just wish there were more people and more help for anyone feeling really suicidal to go to and get objective,'confidential' help and support to help them through whatever difficulties or trauma has brought them to feel that way.

I agree. Another sensible view.

[Mr XcX]

No, he didn't, my mum planned it in secret, she left a note for us, also she made sure we were alright with it, without us realising, she asked us if we agree with suicide (she taught me and my brother a lot of morals, so we never questioned it). Also the weeks before, she made sure that she spent all the time she could with us, and it didn't tear our family apart, the damn illness she had was already doing that.

I don't really agree with people commiting suicide willy nilly, but there are times when it really is justified.

Well your comment is about Euthansia then. I was arguing about people who are not sick and kill themselve. They ARE SELFISH.

[Ninastar]

I think it depends on the circumstances

[Scarlett.]

Well your comment is about Euthansia then. I was arguing about people who are not sick and kill themselve. They ARE SELFISH.

I suppose it is more euthanasia than anything, I have to be honest and say when people ask how she died, I usually say it was cancer, only because of the stigma attached to the word 'suicide'. I can't really disagree completely with 'normal' suicide as each individual case is different.

[bbfan1991]

I think it depends on the circumstances

Indeed, I think some people should seek help but then some reach the point especially if it's an illness that is terminal that they can't cope anymore and become depressed, isolated etc that they want an assisted suicide before their inevitable death.

Felt sorry for a woman that decided to have an assisted death abroad and before she could go ahead had to fight the courts to promise that her husband doesn't get charged for helping her and that it is entirely her own decision to do it.

[Angus]

If I ever feel that MY life is no longer worth living for whatever reason, (which would be nobody's business but my own), the last thing on my mind would be the approval or permission of total strangers who have no right to judge me since they are not walking in my shoes. I would do what I have always done in my life, make my own decisions based on my own circumstances.

I see no point in suffering a long, lingering, painful existence (whether physical and/or emotional), to satisfy others' ideas on the sanctity of life. Quality of life is subjective to the individual, and it is not anyone else's right or responsibility to decide what constitutes a meaningful existence for me.

[Pyramid*]

Who says they WOULD GO IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!! They would get mental help and therefore would be able to live a happy life. You are a very silly person if you think they would get locked up for the rest of their days in a mental Hospital. ROFL

It would be a sight more respectful if you ceased insulting people by calling the 'a very silly person' simply because they have a view not akin to your own.

Re the BIB above. For you to offer such a comment and make such an assumption shows how staggeringly wrong you are, and shows how little knowledge you have of certain types and degree of mental illness. Receiving 'mental help' as you put it, is not the end to psychiatric illnessess, the help that is available and whether the 'help' is actually effective or not.

If you had any exprience of a person who suffered from manic depression along with a host of other mental illnessess for example: you'll understand that things such as ECT is available - it may reduce / dimish the suicide attempts, but there can be lasting effect of such treatment for example, brings about a host of other real issues for the person concerned - which in turn, bring about a whole new range of problems. It doesn't necessarily mean 'help' allows them to lead a happy life.

Your view on this, to me, seems naive to say the least.

[Pyramid*]

You are the one who know's nothing my dear.

Would you rather your mum kill herself??? She kept going which is the right thing to do.

I have survived open heart surgery after a fatal stabbing. I believe life is blessed. Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

I do not understand. Did she commit suicide??

Yeah, she did.

Well, she should have gotten help. Did your father help her?

.

Seriously - who do you think you are to post something as callous, patronising, ignorant and as arrogant as what you have posted above. You are discussing a member's loved one. Have some respect - if not for yourself, for the person you are replying to.

OH...and for what it's worth: you need to learn what the word, 'fatal' means.

[Niamh.]

You have just proved my POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said you would leave someone to DIE!!! Correct.
Well, you just said yourself you regretted killing yourself. But you would leave the other individual to die.

Like I said you would help someone get help. Not leave them to die.

Plus YOU DID say that death is an easy option and do not deny it.

It is outragous for you to effectively say that someone who is depressed (even though you got medical help) to go and commit suicide

Seriously - who do you think you are to post something as callous, patronising, ignorant and as arrogant as what you have posted above. You are discussing a member's loved one. Have some respect - if not for yourself, for the person you are replying to.

This pretty much.

[Benjamin]

I agree with some points you make.

I think Suicide is Wrong in all cases, even in Euthansia.

:bored:


I can't even be bothered to argue with you today.

EDIT: Actually yes I can. How dare you come on here and criticise people in such a disgusting and one sided manner? Honestly, I have seen some crap on here but this is one of the most disgusting and trollish threads I have ever seen. You may want to try and learn how to start respecting people's opinions and showing a little consideration to people's emotions sharpish or you will find yourself banned from this site.

Honestly, I'm actually really disgusted at some of your responses and comments on here.

[Smithy]

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[Benjamin]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/c72/19b/3e4/resized/y-u-no-meme-generator-ben-y-u-no-ban-this-troll-888d61.jpg

He's very close.

[Niall]

He's very close.

:amazed:

[Mr XcX]

Seriously - who do you think you are to post something as callous, patronising, ignorant and as arrogant as what you have posted above. You are discussing a member's loved one. Have some respect - if not for yourself, for the person you are replying to.

OH...and for what it's worth: you need to learn what the word, 'fatal' means.

EXCUSE ME!!! I do know what it means FYI. I did flatline at one point so please do not be rude.

Plus, I have not been callous, patronising and ignorant. I thought the comment was very rude at first as they where saying I knew nothing about the topic.

[Mr XcX]

:bored:


I can't even be bothered to argue with you today.

EDIT: Actually yes I can. How dare you come on here and criticise people in such a disgusting and one sided manner? Honestly, I have seen some crap on here but this is one of the most disgusting and trollish threads I have ever seen. You may want to try and learn how to start respecting people's opinions and showing a little consideration to people's emotions sharpish or you will find yourself banned from this site.

Honestly, I'm actually really disgusted at some of your responses and comments on here.

What is so "disgusting" about my comments.

Do you want me to explain why I think it is wrong in all cases. I do respect other peoples opinions and I think as a moderator you should learn to respect mine. This is a thread about suicide. It is wrong.

[Mr XcX]

He's very close.

I have done nothing wrong, all I have done is express my opinion.

[Niamh.]

I have done nothing wrong, all I have done is express my opinion.

you basically accused chewys dad/family of not looking after his mother properly, you said that my friends family didn't look after her properly either. How the ****** do you know?

[Marsh.]

What is so "disgusting" about my comments.

Do you want me to explain why I think it is wrong in all cases. I do respect other peoples opinions and I think as a moderator you should learn to respect mine. This is a thread about suicide. It is wrong.

You are entitled to your opinion, correct. But instead of accepting people's opposing viewpoints you feel the need to tell them how wrong they are and even make callous remarks which have a personal effect on one of the members.

Get a braincell. Or at least a bit of compassion.

[Benjamin]

Thread closed.