PLEASE don't turn BB like TOWIE!

[Beastie]

PLEASE don't turn BB like The Only Way is Essex!

That show is just a trashy guilty pleasure for most of us. Full of people we can laugh at and look down upon with their "shutup" and "whatever". People who can't have a proper conversation. If we want to just see boobs and bums we have bloody porn and magazines!!

For god sake.. no wannabes! Except for the lights of Corin BB11 who yes.. was thick as a plank but was entertaining and out there.

Or Chanelle BB8 who had a few brain cells and could speak some Spanish and play the violin well.

Karly from BB10 was a BORE though. Apparently she was giving it all in the auditions but turned out to be a dullard. Her boyfriend was 10x more entertaining who only stayed in for 6 days while she stayed in for 5 weeks!

Also no one should know each other. lol

If you want young, good looking people... why not get young people in their early 20's who have finished Uni and want a summer in the BB house or who have just come back from travelling? People with intelligence and talent would be good!

Some oldies in their 30s/40s/50s who are healthy of course but have already experienced a full on life. Brought kids up. Worked hard for a living.. etc..

Enough of these dull wannabes!

Unless you are Bex BB9 who wasn't too attractive but she was big and bubbly and up for a laugh!

I couldn't care less if the house was full of ugly people.

ENTERTAINMENT. Look back at bb5 and bb6 for ideas DESMOND!!!!!! Gaaaaah.

[CharlieO]

Agree fully. I like TOWIE but if BB turns into it I will hate it with a passion.

[BringItOn]

It's gonna happen no matter what :/

[Pyramid*]

I really don't think there is any other way for it to go now. Contestants are far too media savvy now.

It will NEVER be the show it was.

Sad, but true.

[Jordan.]

It not just about the contestants.

C5 probably want it to be a media hit and theirs no denying thats what TOWIE is right now.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

BB is nothing like TOWIE complete opposite programmes

Not gonna happen

Towie is scripted

[Pyramid*]

BB is nothing like TOWIE complete opposite programmes

Not gonna happen

Towie is scripted

Please tell me that you don't seriously believe that BB that doesn't have it's own script? :shocked:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Please tell me that you don't seriously believe that BB that doesn't have it's own script? :shocked:

Stories are planned out depending on what they think is entertaining or what has longevity but is still based on the housemates own actions. The housemates are not given scripts like they are on TOWIE.

[Pyramid*]

Stories are planned out depending on what they think is entertaining or what has longevity but is still based on the housemates own actions. The housemates are not given scripts like they are on TOWIE.

In your own words. "Stories are planned out". ie: there is a script at the heart of it all.

Case closed!! :hugesmile:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

In your own words. "Stories are planned out". ie: there is a script at the heart of it all.

Case closed!! :hugesmile:

No

You are not understanding.

In the edit process the editors will pick out ongoing stories which they think is entertaining but these come from the housemates naturally WITHOUT THEM BEING TOLD WHAT TO SAY BY SCRIPT. So therfor is not scripted


Stop trying to start an argument coz your bored and home alone with your cats on a Friday night coz i cant be @rsed.

Case closed

[Pyramid*]

No

You are not understanding.

In the edit process the editors will pick out ongoing stories which they think is entertaining but these come from the housemates naturally WITHOUT THEM BEING TOLD WHAT TO SAY BY SCRIPT. So therfor is not scripted


Stop trying to start an argument coz your bored and home alone with your cats on a Friday night coz i cant be @rsed.

Case closed

No, I understand perfectly. There is a design around what or how BB would like the show to go. You said it yourself.

The perception is in how literally one takes the definition on the word, SCRIPT.

If there is any external influence by BB, in any way of manipulating, editing to suit a 'particular storyline' or to influence a particular storyline (ie poss fauxmances etc) - it cannot and can never be classed as unscripted in the true sense.

That's my view. Feel free to disagee, but my stance remains. It's my opinon, not an argument. Where it turns into an 'argument' is when one person refuses to accept another's opinion. It certainly turns into an argument when one member cannot debate or discuss without resorting to personal insults on another member.

You have your opinion, I have mine and never the twain shall meet.

Re your comment - BIB. I'll ask you to be respectful - it's the decent thing to do - even if you disagree.

ps. I only have the one cat...not cats !!! LOL

[CharlieO]

Stories are planned out depending on what they think is entertaining or what has longevity but is still based on the housemates own actions. The housemates are not given scripts like they are on TOWIE.

Towie is pretty much the same. There are no scripts just engineered situations. It's easy for producers in BB to do the exact same thing if they wanted. The Essex/Geordie craze will run out soon hopefully so the 2nd season could be a comeback.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

TOWIE is actually scripted ie: the characters are told what to say.

I know people who worked as extras on there and it is 100% SCRIPTED.

BB is manipulated but in regards to being "scripted" the housemates are not told what to say or stand in a certain position for the cameras to get the best angle or reshoot scenes like TOWIE housemates just react naturally to a situation they are in.

ps: I like cats :)

[CharlieO]

The Only Way Is Essex (often abbreviated as TOWIE)[2][3] is an English BAFTA award-winning reality show based in Essex, England. It shows "real people in modified situations, saying unscripted lines but in a structured way."[4]

It's not that important but it's not totally scripted. The powers producers have over the way housemates act is incredible they have psychologists to teach them how to trigger situations. Also they control the highlights which are completely unfair biased viewing.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It's not that important but it's not totally scripted. The powers producers have over the way housemates act is incredible they have psychologists to teach them how to trigger situations. Also they control the highlights which are completely unfair biased viewing.

Ofcourse it is thats what keeps the show entertaining.

I dont think people realise how hard it is either to condense 24 hours of footage into 50 minutes .

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

okay

[daniel-lewis-1985]

okay

Huh?

[Pyramid*]

TOWIE is actually scripted ie: the characters are told what to say.

I know people who worked as extras on there and it is 100% SCRIPTED.

BB is manipulated but in regards to being "scripted" the housemates are not told what to say or stand in a certain position for the cameras to get the best angle or reshoot scenes like TOWIE housemates just react naturally to a situation they are in.

ps: I like cats :)


If BB is manipulated, then it cannot be considered a natural flow if it is being interfered with in respect of editing etc.

It's precisely the reason why I hold the view I do. There IS manipulation - therefore it is not natural progression without any interference from the BB producers, directors et all.

[keithafc]

Ofcourse it is thats what keeps the show entertaining.

I dont think people realise how hard it is either to condense 24 hours of footage into 50 minutes .
Sad people actually moan about the highlights show and say Live feed is better. Is it by ****.

[keithafc]

If BB is manipulated, then it cannot be considered a natural flow if it is being interfered with in respect of editing etc.

It's precisely the reason why I hold the view I do. There IS manipulation - therefore it is not natural progression without any interference from the BB producers, directors et all.
You can't compare Big Brother highlights show to TOWIE which is actors acting a TV programme. Big Brother is housemates who might on purpose or play it up in the house, but it is not scripted via peice of paper of what to say.

That is what seperates the great BB housemates from the bad. It isn't the same thing.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If BB is manipulated, then it cannot be considered a natural flow if it is being interfered with in respect of editing etc.

It's precisely the reason why I hold the view I do. There IS manipulation - therefore it is not natural progression without any interference from the BB producers, directors et all.

Not the same as actors being scripted though.

Different situations simple as that

[Pyramid*]

You can't compare Big Brother highlights show to TOWIE which is actors acting a TV programme. Big Brother is housemates who might on purpose or play it up in the house, but it is not scripted via peice of paper of what to say.

That is what seperates the great BB housemates from the bad. It isn't the same thing.


I can compare - as it is how I personally see the situation, for the reasons I have already mentioned. You may of course disagree, which you clearly do, but that does not mean that your statment of, "You can't compare" is the carte blanche response.


Not the same as actors being scripted though.

Different situations simple as that

See above.

[keithafc]

I can compare - as it is how I personally see the situation, for the reasons I have already mentioned. You may of course disagree, which you clearly do, but that does not mean that your statment of, "You can't compare" is the carte blanche response.




See above.
What is your point though mate? Actors are told "AND ACTION" and when to start talking to film a scene. Big Brother on the other hand is different. The housemates in terms of just normal conversations aren't told when to talk. It just happens.

That doesn't mean editing doesn't happen, of course it does. You can't have it being live for 24/7 on Channel 4 as it would be beyond boring and no one would watch it.

[Pyramid*]

What is your point though mate? Actors are told "AND ACTION" and when to start talking to film a scene. Big Brother on the other hand is different. The housemates in terms of just normal conversations aren't told when to talk. It just happens.

That doesn't mean editing doesn't happen, of course it does. You can't have it being live for 24/7 on Channel 4 as it would be beyond boring and no one would watch it.


Read my previous posts. Therefore it is not what it was intended to be. It is maniupulated. It is edited to the viewer in favour of the slant that the producers wish the programme to follow - in an effort to entice viewers. It may not be scriped verbatim, but it most certainly is not aired without much influence from the programme makers. Thus it is not entirely. It is tweaked, pulled and nipped within an inch of it's life of the true version. As we hear from the vast majority of those who have taken part as contestants - when the come out of the house - they often try to explain that 'it wasnt quite like that / that's not what happened in truth' ... because it is edited to suit the programme makers. It is done so in an effort to entice viewers with maniupulated edits - that do not show all - or show it as it really 'was'.

The viewer is given a distorted vision - and not the clear cut, full version.

ps. The name is Pyramid*. not 'mate'. Cheers! :blush:

[Beastie]

Towie is pretty much the same. There are no scripts just engineered situations. It's easy for producers in BB to do the exact same thing if they wanted. The Essex/Geordie craze will run out soon hopefully so the 2nd season could be a comeback.

Of course TOWIE is scripted. They have to take god knows how many takes. How do you think they get the lighting so right? Fauxmance stories like Mark and Lauren engaged and all that bollocks is part of the shows script. They are both shagging elsewhere in real life. lol

[Beastie]

Read my previous posts. Therefore it is not what it was intended to be. It is maniupulated. It is edited to the viewer in favour of the slant that the producers wish the programme to follow - in an effort to entice viewers. It may not be scriped verbatim, but it most certainly is not aired without much influence from the programme makers. Thus it is not entirely. It is tweaked, pulled and nipped within an inch of it's life of the true version. As we hear from the vast majority of those who have taken part as contestants - when the come out of the house - they often try to explain that 'it wasnt quite like that / that's not what happened in truth' ... because it is edited to suit the programme makers. It is done so in an effort to entice viewers with maniupulated edits - that do not show all - or show it as it really 'was'.

The viewer is given a distorted vision - and not the clear cut, full version.

ps. The name is Pyramid*. not 'mate'. Cheers! :blush:

You are right. But that is down to the editors and the makers of Big Brother.. not the housemates themselves. Unlike TOWIE where the characters have a proper script. In BB the housemates don't have a script but the producer and editors do ;)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Pyramid is missing the point

The post is "Please dont turn BB like Towie"

Which is scripted, acted and full of fakes.

This is what we dont want from BB

[Pyramid*]

You are right. But that is down to the editors and the makers of Big Brother.. not the housemates themselves. Unlike TOWIE where they have a proper script. In BB the housemates don't have a script but the producer and editors do ;)


Oh I understand quite succinctly the finite details. It doesn't detract from the fact that regardless: BB does follow a script - albeit one that is designed/engineering and steered by the programme makers and editors. ;)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Oh I understand quite succinctly the finite details. It doesn't detract from the fact that regardless: BB does follow a script - albeit one that is designed/engineering and steered by the programme makers and editors. ;)

MATE (not pyramid) can you accept we are talking about an actual SCRIPT where people are told what to say like they are in TOWIE.

This is what we do not want

STICK TO THE THREADS POINT

[Pyramid*]

Pyramid is missing the pouint

The post is "Please dont turn BB like Towie"

Which is scripted, acted and full of fakes.

Incorrect. Pyramid* has hit the point quite precisely. You simply do not wish to accept another pov on the matter.

BB is not full of fakes!!! :hugesmile: Really.... now that's one opinion that I most definately differ on !!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*
Oh I understand quite succinctly the finite details. It doesn't detract from the fact that regardless: BB does follow a script - albeit one that is designed/engineering and steered by the programme makers and editors.

MATE (not pyramid) can you accept we are talking about an actual SCRIPT where people are told what to say like they are in TOWIE.

This is what we do not want

STICK TO THE THREADS POINT

[Beastie]

Oh I understand quite succinctly the finite details. It doesn't detract from the fact that regardless: BB does follow a script - albeit one that is designed/engineering and steered by the programme makers and editors. ;)

Yeah but that's not the housemates fault. Unlike in TOWIE when the lights of Amy Childs, Sam, Mark, Arg and whoever know exactly what they are doing.

The housemates in BB don't know what is edited or not. Because some of them are shocked when they come out of BB. Because BB doesn't film a full on argument or both sides of the story. They pick a "chosen" one who is favourite and favours their edits.

I don't think Josie expected to win until she was in the final 5.

I don't know what PEJ was thinking when they decided to give a free pass. The majority of twists seem stupid. If they left all that rubbish then we would have had a decent final. And Corin and Sam would have been the final 2.

BB needs to leave the housemates to their own devices. Give them plenty of food, booze and parties. Therefore the hms will have such a good time that they don't want to leave.

This is why in the early series of BB it was more compeitive because hms didn't want to go home because they were having a good time. They were treat like adults and not like kids with teeny parties with 2 bottles of wine to share between 14 people!! Ridiculous!!!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Yeah but that's not the housemates fault. Unlike in TOWIE when the lights of Amy Childs, Sam, Mark, Arg and whoever know exactly what they are doing.

The housemates in BB don't know what is edited or not. Because some of them are shocked when they come out of BB. Because BB doesn't film a full on argument or both sides of the story. They pick a "chosen" one who is favourite and favours their edits.

I don't think Josie expected to win until she was in the final 5.

I don't know what PEJ was thinking when they decided to give a free pass. The majority of twists seem stupid. If they left all that rubbish then we would have had a decent final. And Corin and Sam would have been the final 2.

BB needs to leave the housemates to their own devices. Give them plenty of food, booze and parties. Therefore the hms will have such a good time that they don't want to leave.

This is why in the early series of BB it was more compeitive because hms didn't want to go home because they were having a good time. They were treat like adults and not like kids with teeny parties with 2 bottles of wine to share between 14 people!! Ridiculous!!!

here here :blush:

[Doogle]

BB3 was good cos the HMs entertained themselves. Even when people walked they would give them a proper leaving party and stuff.

BB12 needs that and needs some drama that the HMs make, then I guess they'll edit it to make it look entertaining for viewers, yet the big fans will see it all happen live anyway, and I'm sure it's very different seeing it on LF to seeing it on HL shows.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

BB3 was good cos the HMs entertained themselves. Even when people walked they would give them a proper leaving party and stuff.

BB12 needs that and needs some drama that the HMs make, then I guess they'll edit it to make it look entertaining for viewers, yet the big fans will see it all happen live anyway, and I'm sure it's very different seeing it on LF to seeing it on HL shows.

We need BB to actually care about the housemates like in BB3 not as disposable wanabees

If you look at the diary room entries from BB3 when a housemate (Kate for example) was upset in the diary room BB would become more personal and empathetic

[Pyramid*]

Yeah but that's not the housemates fault. Unlike in TOWIE when the lights of Amy Childs, Sam, Mark, Arg and whoever know exactly what they are doing.

The housemates in BB don't know what is edited or not. Because some of them are shocked when they come out of BB. Because BB doesn't film a full on argument or both sides of the story. They pick a "chosen" one who is favourite and favours their edits.

I don't think Josie expected to win until she was in the final 5.

I don't know what PEJ was thinking when they decided to give a free pass. The majority of twists seem stupid. If they left all that rubbish then we would have had a decent final. And Corin and Sam would have been the final 2.

BB needs to leave the housemates to their own devices. Give them plenty of food, booze and parties. Therefore the hms will have such a good time that they don't want to leave.

This is why in the early series of BB it was more compeitive because hms didn't want to go home because they were having a good time. They were treat like adults and not like kids with teeny parties with 2 bottles of wine to share between 14 people!! Ridiculous!!!

Over recent years, those who chose to go on the show are well aware of the manipulation, of the tweeking, and of how the producers etc will force (put over) what THEY want -and they (the contestants) will act out a fake persona as they are more than aware of this fact.


That is precisely my point.

[Beastie]

BB3 was good cos the HMs entertained themselves. Even when people walked they would give them a proper leaving party and stuff.

BB12 needs that and needs some drama that the HMs make, then I guess they'll edit it to make it look entertaining for viewers, yet the big fans will see it all happen live anyway, and I'm sure it's very different seeing it on LF to seeing it on HL shows.

It's a lot better on live feed. You get the full story. You may see a 10 minute argument on the HL show but it's like a 40 minute argument on Live feed! Brilliant!!

They do have to edit it all into a one hour show.. I know that! But they do have bloody biased editing!!

Also they should bring the type of Live Feed they had for BB3 where you could click on any room you wanted and view live feed!

Some of the BB11 live feed was a bit shocking when they just zoomed on Josie and John James under the covers!! :nono:

[Pyramid*]

It's a lot better on live feed. You get the full story. You may see a 10 minute argument on the HL show but it's like a 40 minute argument on Live feed! Brilliant!!

They do have to edit it all into a one hour show.. I know that! But they do have bloody biased editing!!

Also they should bring the type of Live Feed they had for BB3 where you could click on any room you wanted and view live feed!

Some of the BB11 live feed was a bit shocking when they just zoomed on Josie and John James under the covers!! :nono:


To reiterate: to follow the path that the programme makers & those on their payroll want.

Scripted to suit BB.

[Beastie]

Over recent years, those who chose to go on the show are well aware of the manipulation, of the tweeking, and of how the producers etc will force (put over) what THEY want -and they (the contestants) will act out a fake persona as they are more than aware of this fact.


That is precisely my point.

Yeah I reckon most will act up. But from bb11 I think some housemates were peed off because Josie won. Such as Ife. I think Ife thought she was going to make it to the final. She was always positive and on about the "secret".

If you are consistent in your character you will go far. Such as Josie who slept under the covers for 11 weeks. The only way of being consistent is doing nothing. This is why we have had a string of boring winners in past years.

[Bubba]

C5 need to address the agents issue before and after HMs enter and leave the house. We need less wannabees leaving and making more than the winner :nono:

[Beastie]

Also referring back to my last post.. this is why we need a VOTE TO SAVE.

It so simple....

27 live feed
Always a vote to SAVE.
Plenty of food, booze and parties.

SORTED!!

And of course.. EXCELLENT, ENTERTAINING HOUSEMATES.

The bores will go first with a vote to save. Simples!

[Beastie]

C5 need to address the agents issue before and after HMs enter and leave the house. We need less wannabees leaving and making more than the winner :nono:

Not many make over 500 grand. Which is now the winners prize fund.

Imagine being in the final 2. That 500 grand is just a slip away out of your hands!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Also referring back to my last post.. this is why we need a VOTE TO SAVE.

It so simple....

27 live feed
Always a vote to SAVE.
Plenty of food, booze and parties.

SORTED!!

And of course.. EXCELLENT, ENTERTAINING HOUSEMATES.

The bores will go first with a vote to save. Simples!

Exactly what we need

[Pyramid*]

Also referring back to my last post.. this is why we need a VOTE TO SAVE.

It so simple....

27 live feed
Always a vote to SAVE.
Plenty of food, booze and parties.

SORTED!!

And of course.. EXCELLENT, ENTERTAINING HOUSEMATES.

The bores will go first with a vote to save. Simples!


Yes. Totally agree.

And without all the sudden voting rule changes and clearly scripted maniuplative moves on BB's part - which basically throws up the 2 fingered salute to the very fans of the show who have kept it alive all these years.

[Bubba]

Also referring back to my last post.. this is why we need a VOTE TO SAVE.

It so simple....

27 live feed
Always a vote to SAVE.
Plenty of food, booze and parties.

SORTED!!

And of course.. EXCELLENT, ENTERTAINING HOUSEMATES.

The bores will go first with a vote to save. Simples!

Agree with everything apart from the food. - C5 should feck with the food items and give em "alternatives" as do Asda etc- :devil: The food items seems to have been the start of arguments in the past. :elephant:

[Beastie]

Agree with everything apart from the food. - C5 should feck with the food items and give em "alternatives" as do Asda etc- :devil: The food items seems to have been the start of arguments in the past. :elephant:

True.

Also if they have less food and more booze they will be drunk quicker! :hugesmile:

[Bubba]

True.

Also if they have less food and more booze they will be drunk quicker! :hugesmile:

:dance: Exactly..... :joker:

[Beastie]

Yay! :dance2:

[Pyramid*]

Yay! :dance2:

Indeed. :blush:

*longs for the days of the long lost, never to return, 'original' BB - when they were all just innocent little souls, not having a clue what was going on* :(

[keithafc]

Read my previous posts. Therefore it is not what it was intended to be. It is maniupulated. It is edited to the viewer in favour of the slant that the producers wish the programme to follow - in an effort to entice viewers. It may not be scriped verbatim, but it most certainly is not aired without much influence from the programme makers. Thus it is not entirely. It is tweaked, pulled and nipped within an inch of it's life of the true version. As we hear from the vast majority of those who have taken part as contestants - when the come out of the house - they often try to explain that 'it wasnt quite like that / that's not what happened in truth' ... because it is edited to suit the programme makers. It is done so in an effort to entice viewers with maniupulated edits - that do not show all - or show it as it really 'was'.

The viewer is given a distorted vision - and not the clear cut, full version.

ps. The name is Pyramid*. not 'mate'. Cheers! :blush:
Deary me. You deserve to be called idiot for that alone.

[Jordan.]

:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Deary me. You deserve to be called idiot for that alone.

Don't suppose you woud possibly like to post something that remotely comes close to the topic - rather than simply being rude and facetious on a personal level?

[seanraff07]

24/7 Live Feed. Down-to-earth, genuine HM's. Tons of booze.

That'll do nicely :)

[davidrox2010]

I am secretly hoping that this upcoming series will be brilliant but my head is telling me it will fail :(