Big Brother looking for ‘genuine’ housemates

[SimBrotherNetwork]

Source: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/0611/big-brother-looking-for-genuine-housemates

The open auditions for Big Brother 2011 began in Manchester yesterday, with bosses seeking hopefuls that want the experience more than fame.

Potential housemates queued for hours at the Old Trafford stadium in a bid to get in the house, with some even going to the length of camping outside for two nights so they were first in line.

However, fame hungry-wannabes were at a disadvantage as the show’s crew are looking to go ‘back to basics’, with emphasis on personalities rather than looks.

Executive producer Katy Smith said: “We’re very keen to have really genuine housemates, people who want to do it for the experience and not just because they want the fame.

“Big Brother needs to be a bit more authentic. Our biggest message is: ‘Be yourself.’ If you aren’t your persona will crumble in the house. The house just gets bigger and better each year with each new group of housemates and this year, more than ever, it will be very personality-led.”

Those in the mix included 22-year-old glamour model Lucy Harold, who wants to prove she’s more than a pretty face: “People think that because you are pretty you are thick and I am fed up of it. Big Brother is an experience you can’t buy and I want to get out of my comfort zone.”

Meanwhile, 26-year-old professional boxer Jerome Wilson said: “I’d be a great calming influence in there. Underneath there is a very diplomatic person who is not always seen.”

Auditions continue in Manchester today, before they head to London next weekend.

[Doogle]

I keep hearing 100 different things from what they're looking for.

One minute fat trannies have been linked, next minute it's this :S

[SimBrotherNetwork]

I know i agree, one minute they saying its gonna be the most hot big brother ever, then they saying its gonna be the most crazy, now they saying its back to basics "thats how i want it" :)

[Doogle]

Yeah I know right, haha.

I want it to be crazy, hot, controversial and outrageous, but WITH genuine people. I'm probably asking for too much haha. :tongue:

[SimBrotherNetwork]

Yeah I know right, haha.

I want it to be crazy, hot, controversial and outrageous, but WITH genuine people. I'm probably asking for too much haha. :tongue:

I want normal non fame freak wannabes :D
that would be great!
be just like bb2 bb3 again :D

[Doogle]

Yeah, BB3 is a really good series from what I've seen, but it also had lots of fun moments and controversy (haven't seen BB2).

[Jords]

They better do, although its easy for somebody to claim theyre just in it for the experience in their audition I guess.

[SimBrotherNetwork]

Yeah, BB3 is a really good series from what I've seen, but it also had lots of fun moments and controversy (haven't seen BB2).

Ive seen a good few episodes of bb3 and i loved it cos they where all normal non fame freaks and they where such a good bunch :D

[Doogle]

They better do, although its easy for somebody to claim theyre just in it for the experience in their audition I guess.
Yeah, true, but I hope they base it on more than just simply their audition. Well they can't I guess but meh :( People will vote out the complete fakes when they see they're not like they said I guess.

Ive seen a good few episodes of bb3 and i loved it cos they where all normal non fame freaks and they where such a good bunch :D

Yeah, they're so good when they're all together!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

We need another BB3.

Theres a reason the show was the biggest of all the series and thats because the housemates where genuine the twists were good and the parties with the bucket loads of alcohol were hilarious to watch.

The people were real and the audience could relate to them and thats what makes Big Brother.

No witches, glamour models, orange queers or warlocks.

Keep it simple but with a few good original twists and great parties. The housemates are there for an experience so give them a fkucing good one

[seanraff07]

Really hope this is the outcome, unfortunately I think people will just come across like this in their auditions then act all fake in the house if it means they'll get in.

[CharlieO]

If they get the housemates right like this it will be a cracking series. If they fill the house with 'essex' and 'geordie' like housemates then its going down the drain and will be even more trash.

[SimBrotherNetwork]

We need another BB3.

Theres a reason the show was the biggest of all the series and thats because the housemates where genuine the twists were good and the parties with the bucket loads of alcohol were hilarious to watch.

The people were real and the audience could relate to them and thats what makes Big Brother.

No witches, glamour models, orange queers or warlocks.

Keep it simple but with a few good original twists and great parties. The housemates are there for an experience so give them a fkucing good one
This is so true!

[Doogle]

Even if all the people look fame hungry on launch night, I'm gonna hope they end up being kinda normal. :joker:

As I've said before, normal people arguing >>>>>>>> fame hungry wannabes acting up for cameras and being OTT

[happybbfan]

Anything which has a mix of BB1-3 will do just nicely for me with loads of alcohol,real people with a great mix of personalities,twists but not too many and tasks where the housemates were not manipulated or forced to behave in a certain way for tv but to be themselves no matter what.

[joeysteele]

We need another BB3.

Theres a reason the show was the biggest of all the series and thats because the housemates where genuine the twists were good and the parties with the bucket loads of alcohol were hilarious to watch.

The people were real and the audience could relate to them and thats what makes Big Brother.

No witches, glamour models, orange queers or warlocks.

Keep it simple but with a few good original twists and great parties. The housemates are there for an experience so give them a fkucing good one

I would agree with that,it's a reality show,we the viewers are looking in on people forced to spend time together.
As you point out the freedoms of the early BB made the series the success it was then. You have the right ideas.
I really hope you for one get in by the way.

[Grotbags]

Source: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/0611/big-brother-looking-for-genuine-housemates

Those in the mix included 22-year-old glamour model Lucy Harold, who wants to prove she’s more than a pretty face: “People think that because you are pretty you are thick and I am fed up of it. Big Brother is an experience you can’t buy and I want to get out of my comfort zone.”


That totally contradicts the rest of the article!

I saw the type of people they were letting through to the later rounds, and believe me when I say that 'fame-hungry wannabes' just about covers it.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I would agree with that,it's a reality show,we the viewers are looking in on people forced to spend time together.
As you point out the freedoms of the early BB made the series the success it was then. You have the right ideas.
I really hope you for one get in by the way.

Ahh cheers mate :)

I was doubing going to the audition but i honestly cannot wait now. I feel like a predator going for the kill lol i want it bad.

[Jordan.]

Tbh BB11 didnt really have any fame hungry housemates and it was still a complete flop.

If it means having a house full of entertaining wannbes over someone dull and oridinary im up for it.

[Doogle]

I'm pretty sure Ben wanted fame, he was just kinda dull. He was one of the best though :laugh:

Rachael was definitely fame hungry, but luckily she got out fast.

[joeysteele]

Ahh cheers mate :)

I was doubing going to the audition but i honestly cannot wait now. I feel like a predator going for the kill lol i want it bad.

Good luck, you seem to have the right kind of personality for it and also good humour too.All the best for it anyway.

[Bubba]

i hope and pray C5 get it right this year coz IMO this is the last chance saloon for BB. A 2 year contract needs to be extended for the foreseeable future.

[Beastie]

Tbh BB11 didnt really have any fame hungry housemates and it was still a complete flop.

If it means having a house full of entertaining wannbes over someone dull and oridinary im up for it.

This.

However they hardly had any alcohol in BB11. Did anyone actually get drunk?? They just had bloody kiddies parties!!!

What is normal nowadays though? It can't go back to basics. Everyone knows what they are letting themselves in for with BB.

The only thing that can go back to basics is the house. We can't just rewind housemates.

Mario BB11 was normal but he was introverted. We need "normal" extroverted type housemates. Who actually have proof that they go partying every week or something. Or have been travelling. The type who have normal jobs and "live for the weekend". They would make the most out of BB if they had alcohol everyday or at least most days!! lol

Throw in a few freaks as well. Or people who are actually normal but are not part of the conventional "binge" drinking society.

Like Luke BB9.. he was brilliant but he didn't drink, smoke or swear.

Some housemates can be entertaining without alchohol but alcohol should ALWAYS be there if the housemates want it!

The house itself should be big, bright and beautiful. Not as basic as BB1's and BB10's house!!

They should bring back the chickens!! I can just imagine though a housemate getting so drunk that they go out and kill a chicken? Lol maybe the chickens should be released only when housemates are sober? :hugesmile:

[Jords]

Tbh BB11 didnt really have any fame hungry housemates and it was still a complete flop.

If it means having a house full of entertaining wannbes over someone dull and oridinary im up for it.

Agreed!!

[TheManWhoLaughs]

However they hardly had any alcohol in BB11. Did anyone actually get drunk??
Andrew did. But he was the kind of boring normal housemate who probably shouldn't have been cast.

We need "normal" extroverted type housemates. Who actually have proof that they go partying every week or something...The type who have normal jobs and "live for the weekend".
UGH I hope not - don't want the house dominated by vacuous tossers like BB3 Jonny.

I definitely think there should be more alcohol to let people's inhibitions down but we don't want dull people who are only ever interesting or let their hair down after a few drinks. There might be one or two hours of decent TV but most of the time we'd be watching them deal with hangovers.

Drunken chicken killer for the win tho!!! :D

[noelle15]

I'm not allowed to say how far I got in the audition process, but I will let u guys know I was one of a very slim few that wasn't a complete plastic barbie.

Nearly all of them dizzy big boobed covered in make up girls got through

[Mac Hiavellian]

I'm not allowed to say how far I got in the audition process, but I will let u guys know I was one of a very slim few that wasn't a complete plastic barbie.

Nearly all of them dizzy big boobed covered in make up girls got through

This does not bode well.

On Friday 99% of people seemed normal though. Although one twat that kept kissing everyone and spilled water over the producers apparently got through even though security threatened to chuck him out. And there was only 1 model type person I noticed in 'fancy dress' but I won't say what she wore but I think it's something she was proud about so if she did get in the house I wouldn't necessarily say it was a bad thing. Unless her VT proved otherwise

[noelle15]

This does not bode well.

On Friday 99% of people seemed normal though. Although one twat that kept kissing everyone and spilled water over the producers apparently got through even though security threatened to chuck him out. And there was only 1 model type person I noticed in 'fancy dress' but I won't say what she wore but I think it's something she was proud about so if she did get in the house I wouldn't necessarily say it was a bad thing. Unless her VT proved otherwise
When we went in the yes/no rooms they were screaming and everything when they got through, lots of boobs out, fake eyelashes, giving typically ditzy answers and laughing at themselves.

Peggy from take me out was there too but she didn't get past the audition stage which surprised me considering most of the girls they were putting through were like her

[ElProximo]

However, fame hungry-wannabes were at a disadvantage as the show’s crew are looking to go ‘back to basics’, with emphasis on personalities rather than looks.

“We’re very keen to have really genuine housemates, people who want to do it for the experience and not just because they want the fame.

“Big Brother needs to be a bit more authentic. Our biggest message is: ‘Be yourself.’

This IS a very very good sign of better things to come but I agree with those who said they have also been sending mixed-messages and indications that those very same 'wannabe-stars' are making progress in auditions.

I would love to think this is the real story after all. Further more I don't need to see another model who is there to 'prove she isn't thick just because she is pretty'.

But yes that is a really good sign and if true it would make the new series much much more interesting.

But not to the teenagers expecting superficial and flamboyant models.

[BenCarter]

I made it into the finals heres my audition tape :elephant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=************ :elephant:

[Beastie]

I made it into the finals heres my audition tape :elephant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=************ :elephant:

Good luck Ben Carter!

[TheManWhoLaughs]

Hope posting this doesn't hurt your chances - I'll root for any BB11 Ben fan in the house :dance:

[AJ.]

Well that was obviously scripted, you don't look like your being yourself & could you of got any more cliches in? /bitch

Might be a good hm though :hugesmile:

[BenCarter]

oh well it got me in, they liked the parody, they're worried some hardcore views dont have humour i can see what they're talking about now

[mj2303]

im lost were auditions done online too?

[BenCarter]

you could have applied online but the online applications have now closed :conf:

[mj2303]

yes i know online via the website, but by youtube video???

[BenCarter]

yeah i they asked for a photo or video so i did them this, they loved it :) and they liked my LEGO SHOES http://www.my-image-host.com/out.php/t14910_2417461015021012169070665779570574394563933 758o.jpg (http://www.my-image-host.com/show.php/14910_24174610150210121690706657795705743945639337 58o.jpg.html)

[BenCarter]

im also an olly murs lookalike which they thought was interesting
http://www.my-image-host.com/out.php/t14910_2417461015021012169070665779570574394563933 758o.jpg (http://www.my-image-host.com/show.php/14910_24174610150210121690706657795705743945639337 58o.jpg.html)

[BenCarter]

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhee they liked the feminist newspaper bit the most
http://www.my-image-host.com/out.php/t14910_2417461015021012169070665779570574394563933 758o.jpg (http://www.my-image-host.com/show.php/14910_24174610150210121690706657795705743945639337 58o.jpg.html)

[mj2303]

im skeptic to say the least

[Benjamin]

Your vid seems very scripted. Also you do know that by posting the video everywhere you are probably ruining your chances of getting in? They like to keep the identities absolutely secret.

[ElProximo]

Still hearing mixed reports. Some saying outrageous OTT HM 'caricature' types are very often getting into the final rounds. The flamboyant extrovert gay hipsters and me-dumb fake-titted blondes.
Then some are saying the whole open-audition thing (as with C4) is just for hype and promotion and there isn't any intention of putting through these people. That 5 has been inventing a very unique process to seek out nearly 'unwitting' applicants.

I did hear an interesting 'insider' allegation of the possible upcoming casting but it nearly needs its own thread.

[Mac Hiavellian]

Still hearing mixed reports. Some saying outrageous OTT HM 'caricature' types are very often getting into the final rounds. The flamboyant extrovert gay hipsters and me-dumb fake-titted blondes.
Then some are saying the whole open-audition thing (as with C4) is just for hype and promotion and there isn't any intention of putting through these people. That 5 has been inventing a very unique process to seek out nearly 'unwitting' applicants.

I did hear an interesting 'insider' allegation of the possible upcoming casting but it nearly needs its own thread.

Tease. Care to elaborate?

[Beastie]

Still hearing mixed reports. Some saying outrageous OTT HM 'caricature' types are very often getting into the final rounds. The flamboyant extrovert gay hipsters and me-dumb fake-titted blondes.
Then some are saying the whole open-audition thing (as with C4) is just for hype and promotion and there isn't any intention of putting through these people. That 5 has been inventing a very unique process to seek out nearly 'unwitting' applicants.

I did hear an interesting 'insider' allegation of the possible upcoming casting but it nearly needs its own thread.

Please tell me!

Are they ordinary people with ordinary jobs?

Age range? ;)

What?

[ElProximo]

Tease. Care to elaborate?

The 'insider' isn't employed with 5 but some may recall this person was bang-on in previous C4 season TiBB-ElProximo exclusive predictions,
however,
This is still just a general 'concept' apparently being sorted out for 5's reboot and it was this:

First: Yes, there has been a lot of internal debates/discussions at 5 whether this is just a 'continuation' of the series,
or,
Will they totally reboot this in a completely unique 'purist' back-to-roots series.

The clever resolution and 'theme' will see two sorts of camps:
- Around 4 or 6 HMs who will be nearly 'stereotypes' of C4's kind of Big Brother.
The Tit-bird, the OTT bisexual club-hoppers, the orange-skinned gossip girl. They are HUGE BB fans. etc.
Add to this a section of the house will remind you very much of the previous incarnation.

- The second camp is going to represent the 'new generation' which will see a different sort of person. Not clear if this means the 'authentic regular people' team,
but,
some buzz that none of them in that 'camp' applied but were chosen somehow.
Add to this you may find sections of the house which do NOT strike you as C4 BB type of idea.

At first you may not notice this theme but they will divide them into teams which will (more apparently) represent the 'Old BB' versus the 'New 5 Generation'.
This will let 5 transition and bring over the parts of the audience still expecting 'BB12',
and,
then let them introduce what is '5 BB' and their own rightful style etc.
You see the idea.

Look for the 'Old BB' type of HMs to be 'baddies' and the new '5 version' group to be more the 'goodies'.

My insider did call (almost bang-on to the damn details) some key aspects and scenes in BB11 last season
(in a few cases EXACTLY and this was months BEFORE BB11 started) so take that for what it's worth.

btw.. personally I love this idea so I hope they are right again.

[rk3388]

The 'insider' isn't employed with 5 but some may recall this person was bang-on in previous C4 season TiBB-ElProximo exclusive predictions,
however,
This is still just a general 'concept' apparently being sorted out for 5's reboot and it was this:

First: Yes, there has been a lot of internal debates/discussions at 5 whether this is just a 'continuation' of the series,
or,
Will they totally reboot this in a completely unique 'purist' back-to-roots series.

The clever resolution and 'theme' will see two sorts of camps:
- Around 4 or 6 HMs who will be nearly 'stereotypes' of C4's kind of Big Brother.
The Tit-bird, the OTT bisexual club-hoppers, the orange-skinned gossip girl. They are HUGE BB fans. etc.
Add to this a section of the house will remind you very much of the previous incarnation.

- The second camp is going to represent the 'new generation' which will see a different sort of person. Not clear if this means the 'authentic regular people' team,
but,
some buzz that none of them in that 'camp' applied but were chosen somehow.
Add to this you may find sections of the house which do NOT strike you as C4 BB type of idea.

At first you may not notice this theme but they will divide them into teams which will (more apparently) represent the 'Old BB' versus the 'New 5 Generation'.
This will let 5 transition and bring over the parts of the audience still expecting 'BB12',
and,
then let them introduce what is '5 BB' and their own rightful style etc.
You see the idea.

Look for the 'Old BB' type of HMs to be 'baddies' and the new '5 version' group to be more the 'goodies'.

My insider did call (almost bang-on to the damn details) some key aspects and scenes in BB11 last season
(in a few cases EXACTLY and this was months BEFORE BB11 started) so take that for what it's worth.

btw.. personally I love this idea so I hope they are right again.

I dont think I believe this, a bit too complicated :S
I also think 2 seperate houses are a bad idea.
It would be 2 funny if channel 4 group> channel 5 group tho ::p

[ElProximo]

I also think 2 seperate houses are a bad idea.
It would be 2 funny if channel 4 group> channel 5 group tho ::p

I didn't get the impression it would be something like 2 separate houses but a comparison was made to BB9's 'heaven and hell' but a kind of manipulated separation
You will see (or feel) a kind of theme: 5 are the new owners. This is our world now. We say goodbye to the old world.

This would explain one seemingly baffling thing we've been hearing about - many outrageous OTT almost 'stereotypical' BB open-audition people (the fakes, the party boys, wannabe model types) seemingly fast-tracked to the finals at the open-auditions.
This would be the kind of 'old BB caricatures' this theme would require.

[Mac Hiavellian]

Thanks ElProximo.

I dont think I believe this, a bit too complicated :S
I also think 2 seperate houses are a bad idea.
It would be 2 funny if channel 4 group> channel 5 group tho ::p

I think I do believe it. At the auditions last Friday I noticed some people that got through fit the bill as 'characters' while msot of te people there were quite normal.

That dick that spilled water over the producers apparently got through and the girl I described as wearing a costume got through. But then again so did this down-to-Earth girl I spoke to who said she'd never lose her virginity in the house and she wasn't impressed with the water-spillign guy. Plus that Asian couple I saw didn't particularly stand out as say Mario and Lisa - they just appeared like any other middle aged middle class Asian couple you notice in public.

If it is true I think it'd be interesting to see if there's a clear divide between the C4 and C5 type HMs or if the louder C4 types turn on eahc other. My worry with this though is that the C4 characters will dominate the show and either be the first lot to leave or the C5 bunch will be seen as too boring and leave before they get a chance to open up

[mj2303]

i cant see this happening as there really is no CH4 type. yes there are the usual wags and and studs each year but we also get alot of diversity too Stuart the student, Shell naturist girl, Kitten alternative lesbian, Masoon quiet girl, rachel 'normal' non agressive, Steph happy go lucky woman, Josie country bumpkin ect i cant see how anyone they pick as a channel 5 character would stand out as being completely different to anything CH4 have had before without them being complete crazy and so weird and unique....? I just cant see that idea working although i welcome 2 sides being pitted against one another so to speak.

[ElProximo]

At the auditions last Friday I noticed some people that got through fit the bill as 'characters' while msot of te people there were quite normal.

A few others were reporting the very same things. The worst kind of 'stereotypes' sailing through,
but,
I like how you described this sort of middle-aged asian couple who appear just totally typical 'every people'.

worry with this though is that the C4 characters will dominate the show and either be the first lot to leave or the C5 bunch will be seen as too boring and leave before they get a chance to open up

The impression I got was a handful of the 'C4' types who would be well out-numbered and may be seen as 'baddies' so-to-speak.
But I did think the very same thing you did - IF they are not nominated BB could easily see this 'backfire' since... well... I mean Shabby didn't even get evicted!
The audience has this thing to do the opposite of what they think BB is trying to manipulate hehe

[TheManWhoLaughs]

It sounds like a terrible idea to have a new school vs old school format, because either the new direction housemates will flop, which will ruin C5's credibility, and/or the old school bunch will be so completely irredeemably awful OTT types that they'll be cannon-fodder. And it's not like I can imagine Channel 5 are somehow going to find housemates less typical than Channel 4 ones like Steve, Lesley, Derek etc.

If they had to do this, it'd make more sense as a 'freaks' vs 'normals' (or 'brains vs beauties'). Either way, it resembles the US BB11 'high school' twist quite a lot and that was a disaster.

The bit about all the applicants being "BB fans" is weird though since a lot of the problem with the classic Channel 4 'bad' housemate types is that they don't give a crap about the show (e.g. Kris). Hardcore fans vs people who've never seen the show would be kind of fun, but the problem with all these themes is that it'll preclude a bunch of decent applicants from getting on the show because they don't match the series' gimmick.

[Beastie]

This new school V old school format.

So in other words.. there will be one camp who are fans of the show? But who are stereotypically OTT gay, girls with big boobs, thick.. etc..

Then on the other camp just a group of people who have never seen the show before?

I think you need to get people who are in between too. Who have seen the show but are also ordinary people. I think I do want to see a few more people in their 30's, 40's! Who have lived more of a life than a bunch of teeny boppers who will get given this opportunity on a plate.

To be fair.. we need an OTT gay. Because as much as they annoy people they bring out entertainment. But then again we just need a normal gay character. Or a feminime lesbian would be brilliant!!

Actually I liked Seany and Gerry from BB8. They were both bisexual. Well Gerry more gay really. But these 2 seemed.. normal? Or not. Seany was the joker and Gerry had some intelligence.

I remember in BB6 they thought it was some sort of racism divide. Makosi, Kemal, Derek on one camp. Saskia, Maxwell and Anthony on another. It wasn't racist at all though. But I remember there was a debate on it.

BB9 had seperate camps too. The freaks like Darnell, Kathreya, Mohammed. V the populars like Jen, Stu and Dale.

Eventhough Rex was friendly with Darnell and Mo. But Rex was an inbetweeny really.

So yeah for BB11. We need extroverted bizzare people and extroverted "normal" people but who may be a bit of a stereotype??

But then you need people in between. The normal, entertaining ones. Who may be "floaters" so to speak.

Or not.. I mean yeah.. I suppose BB are tying too hard to get "storylines" or "camp divides" going on!

I am glad they went to that comic book convention. Be good to get a comic geek in. I want some proper political debates. Imagine a load of them going on about politics. Maybe some of the arguments would hit the headlines on the news. The only thing that makes the news is if someone has been racist.... Come on.. Bring back some credibility to Big Brother!

So yeah we need a good mix of people. People who also may not appear all what they seem. Such as a feminime lesbian! We have never has a girly lesbian. lol

But yeah overall BB just need to get the right mix of housemates. No bores please!!

Also no one thick. They just put in a bunch of teeny bopper thick people in. Or even people in their 20's who are thick!!

Just look at Kemal from BB6 who was only 19! But he was an incredible housemate. He was strong, articulate and always had an opinion! Unlike the lights of Samanda who were only 19 when they were in the house. They were as dull as dishwater.

Please!! Whether the housemate is a freak, normal, stereotype or whatever. They ALL have to be extroverted, have their own opinions and be quite selfish and carefree. You have to be if you are in the BB house for up to 13 weeks..

[lostalex]

they need more Americans. Darnell has permanently shammed America. we deserve a chance to redeems ourselves.

Put Snooki in!!!

http://ficdn.fashionindie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/snookiSNL.jpg

[Beastie]

they need more Americans. Darnell has permanently shammed America. we deserve a chance to redeems ourselves.

Put Snooki in!!!

http://ficdn.fashionindie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/snookiSNL.jpg

No thanks. Not that thing.

But yeah I agree. 1 or 2 Americans should go in!

But the majority should be from the UK. It's UK Big Brother after all!

[Lostie!]

I hope this is true. The fame-*****s killed the show. If Channel 5 want it to survive with them, they'll stay the hell away from the desperados. :)