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TheManWhoLaughs

28-06-2011, 02:27 PM

I agree about the music during the exits, but I liked having music montages during the task (otherwise they wouldn't show anything at all) and the "Previously on Big Brother..." recaps. It made things look more professional.

Of all the problems with BB11, the editing wasn't really one of them.

AJ.

28-06-2011, 02:27 PM

The gimmicky effects on launch was crap aswell. Hope they go back to just arriving in cars & walking through the crowd!

I agree about the music during the exits, but I liked having music montages during the task (otherwise they wouldn't show anything at all)
What? Is BB11 your first series :conf:

and the "Previously on Big Brother..." recaps. It made things look more professional.
No, it made it look like hollyoaks.

CharlieO

28-06-2011, 02:29 PM

I think it should just go back to BB5-7 days when there were enough twists and shocks to make it entertaining regularly but not too over done that it looks tacky, cheap, underdone and not cared about.

_Seth

28-06-2011, 02:29 PM

I will be proper pissed off if those dumb effects return.

The whole point of reality TV is so we can see the real-ness of it all. It's not a film, there shouldn't be silly effects. I wanna see the raw atmosphere within the house and see what it's actually like, what the vibe is within.

Eviction music upon leaving the house MUST go as well. :mad:

TheManWhoLaughs

28-06-2011, 03:10 PM

The gimmicky effects on launch was crap aswell. Hope they go back to just arriving in cars & walking through the crowd!

What? Is BB11 your first series :conf:

No, it made it look like hollyoaks.

Yes, because I don't agree with you 100% I'm obviously a new fan who has only just started watching :nono:

I don't think they should fiddle around with the actual bulk of the show but the tasks have always been a joke anyway, so a bit of music could help it a bit more tense.

georgehudson

28-06-2011, 03:11 PM

Music on evictions, music montages for tasks etc

Agreed. Get rid of all 3 of those things!!!

Aspecially the music as the housemates are leaving the house.

Stu

28-06-2011, 03:18 PM

The stripped down yet highly polished production of the show was one of the things that drew me in to it. Title sequence, credits sequence, break bumpers, scene break stings, time bar and nothing but Marcus Bentley's voice is the way it should be. Anything else makes it look like a cheap compromise. You're not going to get extra ratings by pasting songs over tasks.

rk3388

28-06-2011, 03:24 PM

they should make it more like bbus with music, but no extra effects.

happybbfan

28-06-2011, 03:30 PM

Dont always watch highlights that much too busy watching live feed but yes BB11 was dire all round anyway with silly tasks effects and editing people to be saints etc.

daniel-lewis-1985

28-06-2011, 03:42 PM

they should make it more like bbus with music, but no extra effects.

HELL NO!!!!!!!

America sucks they have to overdramatise everything. They even play soppy songs on the news over there.

We want to see REALITY and the real vibe from inside the house.

Music just minipulates situations.

PS: Excpect major backlash for your comment...Shame on you

joeysteele

28-06-2011, 03:45 PM

oh ye :devil: music on evictions pissed me off so much

I agree, let's hear the cheers or boos again.

Stu

28-06-2011, 03:45 PM

they should make it more like bbus with music, but no extra effects.
I'd rather it retain it's own identity instead of just copy the inferior, more conventional and thus less special American production design.

daniel-lewis-1985

28-06-2011, 03:50 PM

I agree, let's hear the cheers or boos again.

Unfortunatley all we hear is boos now since the crowd act like they are at a ****ing pantomine.

happybbfan

28-06-2011, 03:57 PM

I like the american house but i dont want any of their ways of playing the game or music etc.I agree lets hear the crowds again

AJ.

28-06-2011, 04:22 PM

Yes, because I don't agree with you 100% I'm obviously a new fan who has only just started watching :nono:
No, because you said it needs music montage over tasks or they wouldn't show anything atall even though they haven't been used in the past & worked much better imo.

I don't think they should fiddle around with the actual bulk of the show but the tasks have always been a joke anyway, so a bit of music could help it a bit more tense.
If music is needed to give a moment emotion then it's obviously lacking itself. Don't get me wrong the tension music before davina says the name etc is good but playing the benny hill theme tune over every task is just a joke, it's supposed to be a reality show, it should feel a little more organic & real imo, like it's hardly been edited & you could be sat watching it live.

JohnnyBB

28-06-2011, 04:26 PM

with ot being channel 5 i can expect the editing to be very basic tbh!

CharlieO

28-06-2011, 04:38 PM

Channel 5 will make it very cheesy I expect.

_Seth

28-06-2011, 04:45 PM

so a bit of music could help it a bit more tense.

No. If it's not actually tense in the house then they shouldn't try and make it tense. It's a REALITY show for a reason.

Tony1111

28-06-2011, 05:06 PM

Meh, I'd cut the montage crap but I don't mind some music during taks to build a bit of tension. Also I strongly agree with the Eviticion music being axed, I like to hear the Boo's in full effect. :D

Jordan.

28-06-2011, 05:08 PM

And Rachel flying over the house as a super hero, you knew the show was a joke then.

oh ffs, forgot about this :joker:

Everything about BB11 was just a tacky mess.

Time to go back to just normal editing :s

_Seth

28-06-2011, 05:09 PM

Meh, I'd cut the montage crap but I don't mind some music during taks to build a bit of tension. Also I strongly agree with the Eviticion music being axed, I like to hear the Boo's in full effect. :D

Why would you want music added to make it tense? It's not a film or a drama.

Patrick

28-06-2011, 05:13 PM

with ot being channel 5 i can expect the editing to be very basic tbh!

Also expect poor 420p Quality.

Tony1111

28-06-2011, 05:14 PM

Well think about if it's a live task or when the names are called perhaps have some beating drums or something, I dunno you don't have to like it. :p

MeMyselfAndI

28-06-2011, 05:15 PM

BB11 is my least favourite series D:, please can it be simple like BB5 :/

Doogle

28-06-2011, 05:27 PM

I actually didn't mind the editing as that was the norm since it was my only series, but I've seen random episodes from BB3, 5, 7 and 10 and I can say the first 3 (not so much 10) were much better and wasn't so tacky.

Jarrod

28-06-2011, 05:47 PM

Ok BB11 Was my first proper series So i got used to the Music ect. BUT! After rewatching loads. GET RID! Bring Back the basics!
Title Sequence and Credits, Time Bar ect and thats it!
The crowds were much better without the music!

rk3388

28-06-2011, 05:49 PM

I'd rather it retain it's own identity instead of just copy the inferior, more conventional and thus less special American production design.

"inferior" what r u basing that on?
Big Brother US gets way higher ratings and the ratings are getting higher each year. It also has high production value since its on CBS which i dont think will be there on channel 5

AJ.

28-06-2011, 07:13 PM

"inferior" what r u basing that on?
Big Brother US gets way higher ratings and the ratings are getting higher each year. It also has high production value since its on CBS which i dont think will be there on channel 5

The production lies with endemol not the channel. Might not be an inferior entertainment show but definitely an inferior reality show. Ofcourse the rating will be higher for a country with 5 times more people & the ratings are getting better because the quality of the show might not be declining but it's not hard to keep the quality the same when you rely on manufactured drama & gimmicks.

rk3388

28-06-2011, 07:54 PM

The production lies with endemol not the channel. Might not be an inferior entertainment show but definitely an inferior reality show. Ofcourse the rating will be higher for a country with 5 times more people & the ratings are getting better because the quality of the show might not be declining but it's not hard to keep the quality the same when you rely on manufactured drama & gimmicks.

yes, but it depends how much the channel is invested in the show. Endemol US gets paid more for big brother us. And no the drama isnt manufactured, its the characters they put in the house that cause the drama, and since its a more strategic game theyre more prone to yelling and acting up than the uk because in bbuk 90% of houseguests act fake and all happy so the viewers wont vote them out, it gets boring.

Im just saying its not inferior

Marc

28-06-2011, 07:55 PM

I quite liked them HA!

AJ.

28-06-2011, 09:36 PM

yes, but it depends how much the channel is invested in the show.

Doesn't Endemol have complete control? Nothing to do with what channel it airs on & I think £200M from a broke broadcaster is a big investment.

Endemol US gets paid more for big brother us.

Irrelevant.. but the US has 5 times more people & I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't even true.

And no the drama isnt manufactured, its the characters they put in the house that cause the drama, and since its a more strategic game theyre more prone to yelling and acting up than the uk because in bbuk 90% of houseguests act fake and all happy so the viewers wont vote them out, it gets boring.

I worded it wrong but that's what I mean, the ratings don't slide because they can rely on making things happen with the constant gameplaying & gimmicks. BBUK relys on the HMs personalitys & when they're lacking the series is rubbish but more risk more reward, when it's good it's great when it's bad it's terrible where as BBUS (from what I've seen) always seems to be playing it safe & predictable like recent uk series hense why you're prob here :hugesmile:

Iamkontroll

29-06-2011, 07:51 AM

The Big Brother UK is far better than the US version. I do watch both but its always a much more rewarding series in the UK. I think because there is a highlights show everyday in the UK you can get a more complete experience and appreciate the subtle nuances as the house guests get to know each other and build relationships. Also since it is up to the public they seem more real to each other. The US version is fun but in a much different and much cheaper way. Since they themselves vote each other out each week (and there is always a head of household who is solely responsible for nominating) it becomes a game of whispers and manipulation with power struggles that shift week to week. Plus with the major difference of being able to discuss nominations and voting strategies it is all about having a "game plan" which is something that seems to be highly discouraged by both the UK house guests and the general UK viewing public. Not to mention the US version only airs 3 nights a week so much more is edited down into essentially the most drama filled minutes of the week. Because of all that the UK version just seems more polished and much more like a proper reality show where the US version is more like a soap opera pretending to be a reality show.

happybbfan

29-06-2011, 08:48 AM

Without any live feed it will be an edited soap like TOWIE im afraid and wii in this case fail.Big Brother need live feed unlike other reality shows.

joeysteele

29-06-2011, 11:55 AM

Without any live feed it will be an edited soap like TOWIE im afraid and wii in this case fail.Big Brother need live feed unlike other reality shows.

Well, they haven't said they won't be a live feed so keep hoping. I wouldn't be bothered but do know a fair few people who really want the live feed to be part of the new era too like you do.

iRyan

29-06-2011, 05:42 PM

I liked the task montages tbh. But I agree some of it was over-edited.

But I hated the music on exits and the stupid effects/graphics on the 'best bits'.

Stu

29-06-2011, 06:12 PM

"inferior" what r u basing that on?
Big Brother US gets way higher ratings and the ratings are getting higher each year. It also has high production value since its on CBS which i dont think will be there on channel 5
R u? Speak English.

I wasn't talking about the quality of the entertainment - although I think that blows too. I was talking about the show identity and production which is painfully better in the UK version. Back in the day Big Brother had cutting edge promotion and graphics. The logo alone has become a cultural touchstone. The American version in comparison is very humdrum and conventional.

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You're entitled to your own opinion of course but mine is that you would want to be either incredibly biased or on some sort of drug that numbs the brain to creativity to think the American production design is superior.

Iamkontroll

29-06-2011, 07:08 PM

You're entitled to your own opinion of course but mine is that you would want to be either incredibly biased or on some sort of drug that numbs the brain to creativity to think the American production design is superior.

Agreed

TheManWhoLaughs

29-06-2011, 07:23 PM

Jordan.

29-06-2011, 07:26 PM

Stu

29-06-2011, 07:31 PM

To be fair to the US version, at least they bother changing the intro when houseguests get evicted. The UK just stick with the same boring shot (and weak techno music) every year (though the US theme is pretty terrible too, compared to Survivor - but even the worst Survivor intros are more well-produced than the UK BB ones).
Having an unchanging title sequence isin't a hallmark of lazy, apathetic production. It's just the way BBUK's are made. They don't feature housemates ... in fact they are specifically designed to look all ambiguous and futuristic ... so using 'well they don't change the titles to reflect who has been evicted' is an entirely redundant argument in this case, surely.

How would you go about changing the titles to reflect Gerry's eviction? Remove one of the blue triangles that flash up for about a tenth of a second?

TheManWhoLaughs

29-06-2011, 07:36 PM

How would you go about changing the titles to reflect Gerry's eviction? Remove one of the blue triangles that flash up for about a tenth of a second?

:laugh: Fair point. They should have added a big picture of naked Carole to remind everyone of the real enemy :p

I get the UKBB is based more around an impersonal BB, but people do typically watch the show for the housemates, not for the graphic design. If you're favourite goes early, it's nice to see them in the intro and it shows how everyone has made an impact, whereas in the UK the early boots are just brushed under the carpet.

I think both approaches have their pros and cons really, I just think it's pathetic when people get smug about the US version being "dumbed down". For every horrible thing they've done, our show has done something as bad (and vice-versa), and lots of it comes down to personal choice.

CharlieO

29-06-2011, 07:38 PM

Big Brother uk's title sequence (BB5-10) are amazing. The graphics and ambiguity creates the sense of being watched in a 'futuristic' society and relates back to George Orwell's 1984 and the original concepts. Also the transitions are incredible and the refined production gives the show a sense of class and continuous quality.

Saying that BBUS's title sequence is better because they edit it every week is ridiculous, BBUS is soapy and is in no comparison to BBUK in its prime production wise and quality of entertainment wise.

TheManWhoLaughs

29-06-2011, 08:36 PM

Big Brother uk's title sequence (BB5-10) are amazing. The graphics and ambiguity creates the sense of being watched in a 'futuristic' society and relates back to George Orwell's 1984 and the original concepts.

Pretty sure George Orwell wasn't a fan of Paul Oakenfold's crappy techno.

I actually like a lot of the BBUK aesthetics, but I don't think it's ludicrous to think there's no room to include the housemates in the intro - that clearly takes more work than what they do in the UK.

I agree with the point that BBUK's best bits are way, way better than BBUSA's, but given how little entertainment value there was in last series after Caoimhe left, I would prefer they rely on any kind of gimmicks to try and provide some sort of energy to the show :sleep:

Given the popularity of the 'scripted reality' show, it's likely there will be more of a soap-like take on this year's show; I'd rather it went the BBUSA route than the John James and Josie snoozefest version (I think even the biggest BB USA haters would agree that Jeff and Jordan were much a much better couple).

CharlieO

29-06-2011, 08:42 PM

Pretty sure George Orwell wasn't a fan of Paul Oakenfold's crappy techno.

I actually like a lot of the BBUK aesthetics, but I don't think it's ludicrous to think there's no room to include the housemates in the intro - that clearly takes more work than what they do in the UK.

I agree with the point that BBUK's best bits are way, way better than BBUSA's, but given how little entertainment value there was in last series after Caoimhe left, I would prefer they rely on any kind of gimmicks to try and provide some sort of energy to the show :sleep:

Given the popularity of the 'scripted reality' show, it's likely there will be more of a soap-like take on this year's show; I'd rather it went the BBUSA route than the John James and Josie snoozefest version (I think even the biggest BB USA haters would agree that Jeff and Jordan were much a much better couple).

Adding a few pictures/names in a title sequence isn't exactly difficult. BBUK puts a huge amount more effort into their friday night live evictions. There has hardly been ever major muck ups even though its complicated live television with an extreme amount of organising needed to be done.

I agree BB11 was rubbish as most would and if BBUK does take the route of TOWIE and things in my eyes it will be dead. But I was talking about BBUK in its glory days.

Stu

29-06-2011, 09:06 PM

I actually like a lot of the BBUK aesthetics, but I don't think it's ludicrous to think there's no room to include the housemates in the intro - that clearly takes more work than what they do in the UK.
No it doesn't. I have experience with high end video editing and manipulation - not that you need to see the sheer common sense of it -and it takes a hell of a lot more effort to construct the high speed, frame by frame animated cutting sequences Hello Charlie produce for BBUK than to copy, paste and cut pictures of peoples faces onto titles. And it would never suit BBUK's style.

And regardless of your opinion on the title theme it's hard to argue that it's a hugely popular, iconic component of the show.

TheManWhoLaughs

29-06-2011, 09:13 PM

No it doesn't. I have experience with high end video editing and manipulation - not that you need to see the sheer common sense of it -and it takes a hell of a lot more effort to construct the high speed, frame by frame animated cutting sequences Hello Charlie produce for BBUK than to copy, paste and cut pictures of peoples faces onto titles. And it would never suit BBUK's style.

And regardless of your opinion on the title theme it's hard to argue that it's a hugely popular, iconic component of the show.

It takes more effort at the start but then it goes stagnat; that's the problem with a lot of UK BB series - they get horribly boring after a few weeks because they don't know how to sustain them (BB7, 8 and 11 being especially weak by the ends).

I honestly don't think it has to be a one way or another; there's a lot UK can learn from the US and vice-versa. I'd love to see something as well-crafted as the stern authoritarianism of UK credits that also featured the housemates' unique personalities like the US version.

Stu

29-06-2011, 09:17 PM

It takes more effort at the start but then it goes stagnat; that's the problem with a lot of UK BB series - they get horribly boring after a few weeks because they don't know how to sustain them (BB7, 8 and 11 being especially weak by the ends).
I was under the impression we were talking about a sixteen second title sequence. Not the show in general.

TheManWhoLaughs

29-06-2011, 09:26 PM

I was under the impression we were talking about a sixteen second title sequence. Not the show in general.

But that's symptomatic of the UK BB efforts in general - I'd rather the show was carefully tended to week-after-week, rather than them putting in all sorts of technical wizardry early on then leaving the show to rot.

I'd love to see the 16 second opening credits as you see it, but it could extended to include the housemates as a longer version - even if you don't like US-style editing, you can't deny an opening like this is pretty epic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhsjoNM44gA&feature=related

Stu

29-06-2011, 09:39 PM

But that's symptomatic of the UK BB efforts in general - I'd rather the show was carefully tended to week-after-week, rather than them putting in all sorts of technical wizardry early on then leaving the show to rot.
I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

They make a title sequence then ... use if for the three month run. That's not a mark of lazyness or 'putting in technical wizardry' at the start then letting it rot. It's an entirely normal thing virtually every show does.

It's ... just a title sequence. Fair enough of you would personally rather Big Brother USA elements brought into it but it's not 'putting in technical wizardry early on then leaving the show to rot'. That's hyperbole on a ludicrous level. Nobody cares about pretty little pictures that much. The show didn't go down the toilet because the titles didn't change every week.

Stu

29-06-2011, 09:46 PM

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TheManWhoLaughs

29-06-2011, 10:06 PM

That's hyperbole on a ludicrous level. Nobody cares about pretty little pictures that much. The show didn't go down the toilet because the titles didn't change every week.

It is obviously hyperbole, but pretty much any nit-picking about BB is going to be hyperbole! It's equally ridiculous to say there's absolutely no way the show should evolve at all - I'd rather they made some efforts to change that failed than just stick to the tired tropes you and Patrick seem dogmatically reliant upon.

Stu

29-06-2011, 10:10 PM

It is obviously hyperbole, but pretty much any nit-picking about BB is going to be hyperbole! It's equally ridiculous to say there's absolutely no way the show should evolve at all - I'd rather they made some efforts to change that failed than just stick to the tired tropes you and Patrick seem dogmatically reliant upon.
I didn't say the show should not evolve at all. Nor do I hang on to the same tired tropes. From which orifice did you drag those assumptions from?

Need I remind you again that we are talking about a style of title sequence. Nothing more. I have plenty of views on how the show should and could move foward. They just don't include revamping a sixteen second animation every week.

Next.

Beastie

29-06-2011, 10:47 PM

What if it's like BB11 D: All those stupid effects and stuff. I'd die :bored:

I didn't really mind when they played Pixie Lott during that game of truth or dare which they all did or something like that. But yeah maybe best to skip it out.

They should ONLY have effects if there is a party and they are all dancing or something!

But yeah when Andrew was shouting and that.. and them stupid effects came on. Black lines on the screen. That annoyed me.

Plus.. the stupid music they get played when they leave the house! NO!

BB in this sense has to bring it back to basics. bring more "tension" on eviction nights. A seperate living room like bb6 and bb10. And they have to walki through the house and up the stairs. Doors open.. then BOOM! Boos/Cheers. We want to hear the boos and cheers. Purely that and nothing else. Not some stupid music. Also not some stupid performances outside the house. Like what Corin, Andrew, Mario and Ben did!! Pffft.

NO CONTACT FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD. And when it 2 weeks/10 days from the final the remaining housemates should get 1 letter from home. NOTHING ELSE. NO Video messages!!

Kapeesh?

Also like to add.. can the house not be basic.. but big, luxurous, colourful and comfy?? And with plenty of food, booze and parties! And ALWAYS a vote to SAVE. And 24 7 live feed!! Cheers :thumbs: