Do smokers have rights?

[InOne]

Or are they just nasty people who are out to kill everyone with their second hand smoke?

The goverment seems to treat them almost like Nazi's these days, when infact what they're doing, banning it everyone, stopping people's freedoms, is almost nazism in itself.

Someone should take a stand :nono:

I vote Niamh and Vicky.

[Vicky.]

Clearly not by how it seems.

Criminals have more rights :/

[King Gizzard]

They should do given how much tax they pay to the government (disclaimer - non-smoker)

[Smithy]

they are just nasty people out to kill people with their second hand smoke, i heard vicky and niamh plotting about it in the towers, they're gonna take josy down

[Jords]

People are a bit OTT about smoking, yeah it can contribute to many health problems (as does alcohol), but its been around for years and a social habit smokers like.

[Vicky.]

People are a bit OTT about smoking, yeah it can contribute to many health problems (as does alcohol), but its been around for years and a social habit smokers like.

You know, I have never met a nonsmoker who is against other people smoking(in real life)

I wonder where all these people who complain...who the government is trying to please with all this bollocks...live

[Vicky.]

In fact, nearly every nonsmoker I know says they preferred it when people could smoke in bars/clubs because now that people dont, all you can smell is toilets/sweat and they would rather smell the smoke :joker:

[Locke.]

Time to ban cigarettes from Britain

[Jords]

You know, I have never met a nonsmoker who is against other people smoking(in real life)

I wonder where all these people who complain...who the government is trying to please with all this bollocks...live

Me either really, I know some who find it 'disgusting' but wouldnt go out their way to avoid being around it, they just wouldnt do it theirself :bored:

[Shaun]

smoking bans :bored: just...stupid.

[Boothy]

I can sort of see where the government are coming from banning it in public places and although I don't agree with it, I can see the argument for banning it in town centres because children and non-smokers are obviously gonna be there. However, I think that there should be designated smoking areas/rooms in offices/public places at the bare minimum and I can't see any argument whatsoever for banning it in pubs. The reason people went to the pub was to socialise over a drink and part of the social aspect of it was smoking. The most they should do with pubs is make the landlord acquire a license, like they have to do to sell alcohol and make sure all employees working there are comfortable working in a smoking environment.

For the record, I'm a non smoker and the only time I can think the smoking ban has affected me positively is when I've been eating in restaurants. I hated going to proper restaurants and the whole place smelling of cigarettes.

[MTVN]

It's stupid to ban it in public, the health risks to the general public must be incredibly small and making a criminal out of someone for doing something that is perfectly legal is a bit ridiculous. I'm not as opposed to pubs/clubs etc. banning it but I don't think it should be law that people can't smoke in any of them, leave it to the choice of whoever's running the place

[Vicky.]

I would expect all the car fumes in city centres do more damage to kids than smoking could.

[InOne]

Apprently they're allowed to smoke in the house of commons bar, but not sure if that is a myth or not. If it's true, one rule for them another for us :bored:

[Vicky.]

Apprently they're allowed to smoke in the house of commons bar, but not sure if that is a myth or not. If it's true, one rule for them another for us :bored:

Wouldnt surprise me

[Marsh.]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KIIj-YVVaFU/TKPRA5MvllI/AAAAAAAAAVg/VNl3i9t9ItU/s1600/antismoking.jpg

[Stu]

I were walking down the street once and I passed a smoker and he blew smoke and I smelt the smoke and now I think I might die.

GIVE THEM THE CHAIR.

[InOne]

:joker: ^^ love it
08marsh

[InOne]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ese0vxfzKGc/TMR-i6jYZkI/AAAAAAAAPJo/RxKog_ukLbw/s1600/smoke-free.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/for/lowres/forn841l.jpg

I like these little cartoon thingys :joker: They're so true :bored:

[Stu]

http://bocktherobber.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/father-ted-careful-now-001.jpg

[arista]

Or are they just nasty people who are out to kill everyone with their second hand smoke?

The goverment seems to treat them almost like Nazi's these days, when infact what they're doing, banning it everyone, stopping people's freedoms, is almost nazism in itself.

Someone should take a stand :nono:

I vote Niamh and Vicky.



Look you can Smoke
but take Good care you do not effect other people.


Second hand smoke is bad
stinks as well.

[arista]

smoking bans :bored: just...stupid.


No it protects children

[Liberty4eva]

Or are they just nasty people who are out to kill everyone with their second hand smoke?

The goverment seems to treat them almost like Nazi's these days, when infact what they're doing, banning it everyone, stopping people's freedoms, is almost nazism in itself.

Someone should take a stand :nono:

I vote Niamh and Vicky.

I've said on another thread that there are so many things we do to our health that is worse than smoking. There is more awareness today of the dangers of smoking than at any other time in our history yet we're sicker today than at any other time in human history. You can't blame that on cigarettes.

[Pyramid*]

the bizarre thing is: most of my friends are non smokers - I'm the only one who smokes among us: and all of them say that it's well OTT the grief that smokers get.......... and that's coming from those who don't !!:hugesmile:

[Liberty4eva]

the bizarre thing is: most of my friends are non smokers - I'm the only one who smokes among us: and all of them say that it's well OTT the grief that smokers get.......... and that's coming from those who don't !!:hugesmile:

:shocked: Didn't expect you to be a smoker.

[Pyramid*]

:shocked: Didn't expect you to be a smoker.


WHAT !!!! You think I have lung issues for no good reason!! I worked hard to mess them up!! ( I joke, but it's not really amusing: self inflicted so shouldn't moan).

I'm not the do gooder and party pooper than everyone on here appears to think I am - honestly!!

[Liberty4eva]

WHAT !!!! You think I have lung issues for no good reason!! I worked hard to mess them up!! ( I joke, but it's not really amusing: self inflicted so shouldn't moan).

I'm not the do gooder and party pooper than everyone on here appears to think I am - honestly!!

Okay, I'll tell you what I told my little sister (who also smokes) and say that I don't look down on people who smoke. It's a habit that's not healthy but then again at least 95% of what people eat, drink, or do is unhealthy today.

[Pyramid*]

Okay, I'll tell you what I told my little sister (who also smokes) and say that I don't look down on people who smoke. It's a habit that's not healthy but then again at least 95% of what people eat, drink, or do is unhealthy today.


As a smoker, and having smoked heavily for about 28 years: I can assure you - in earnest - that if I could have my time back: I would far rather be chucking high processed foods and drinks down my throat, than the crap that are cigarettes. Honestly. I say that with complete and utter feeling.

I thought I was immune becuase I was incredibly fit, active until my mid thirties: smoking never impacted upon my health. Or so I though: and from my late thirties: I have gone from being unbelievably fit - to having very little lungpower to afford me good physical health.

I can only speak for myself: and how I personally view it. But I honestly cannot agree with your own thoughts. Especially when I have tried over and over to quit: even though it will kill me, and far sooner than I probably even realis myself.

[Niamh.]

As a smoker, and having smoked heavily for about 28 years: I can assure you - in earnest - that if I could have my time back: I would far rather be chucking high processed foods and drinks down my throat, than the crap that are cigarettes. Honestly. I say that with complete and utter feeling.

I thought I was immune becuase I was incredibly fit, active until my mid thirties: smoking never impacted upon my health. Or so I though: and from my late thirties: I have gone from being unbelievably fit - to having very little lungpower to afford me good physical health.

I can only speak for myself: and how I personally view it. But I honestly cannot agree with your own thoughts. Especially when I have tried over and over to quit: even though it will kill me, and far sooner than I probably even realis myself.

I agree 100% with your post Pyramid. I'm 32 now and have been smoking since I was 16, as yet I've not had any ill health due to smoking which is why, especially in the last year I feel huge pressure to quit before it's too late (eventhough it might already be) I'm determined to give up before this year is finished.

[joeysteele]

Yes,of course they have rights, it is true cigarettes are harmful to health but as so many people have pointed out here, so is alcohol and most things people eat really.
Smoking is not illegal in the UK,nor is the purchasing of cigarettes etc, people pay council tax and income tax to have the rights to do all that is legal. Smokers also pay massively higher taxes to the govt when they purchase cigarettes.

Therefore it is wrong to discriminate. In enclosed buildings such as restuarants,theatres, cinemas shopping centres etc, banning smoking is understandable but anywhere else, no way.
Why just cigarette smoking anyway, what about petrol fumes,I feel sick in an enclosed bus station with the fumes in there.

Also while I agree smoking is harmful, so are many things in life and so I say smokers do have rights and should not be looked down on when they smoke in open air public places.

I have never smoked and am not likely to ever to but I have friends who do and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[arista]

Yes,of course they have rights, it is true cigarettes are harmful to health but as so many people have pointed out here, so is alcohol and most things people eat really.
Smoking is not illegal in the UK,nor is the purchasing of cigarettes etc, people pay council tax and income tax to have the rights to do all that is legal. Smokers also pay massively higher taxes to the govt when they purchase cigarettes.

Therefore it is wrong to discriminate. In enclosed buildings such as restuarants,theatres, cinemas shopping centres etc, banning smoking is understandable but anywhere else, no way.
Why just cigarette smoking anyway, what about petrol fumes,I feel sick in an enclosed bus station with the fumes in there.

Also while I agree smoking is harmful, so are many things in life and so I say smokers do have rights and should not be looked down on when they smoke in open air public places.

I have never smoked and am not likely to ever to but I have friends who do and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.



Get off the fence.


Rude Stinking Smokers are a problem

[joeysteele]

Get off the fence.


Rude Stinking Smokers are a problem

I am not on any fence at all on this one arista, I do not smoke at all but would stand up for anyone discriminated against because they do.

Rude stinking people are the big problem in the UK not just some of the smoking element.

[Glenn.]

Everyone has rights.

[Visage]

Apprently they're allowed to smoke in the house of commons bar, but not sure if that is a myth or not. If it's true, one rule for them another for us :bored:

Yes I've heard that before. Also I believe smoking is allowed in prison and mental health hospitals. However I don't know that for sure as I've never been........

[Livia]

In 2009-10, the government made over £10 billion from tobacco tax. During the same period, the NHS cost £100 billion to run. So smokers are in effect funding 10% of the NHS. That £10 billion is going to have to be collected from somewhere once smokers have been hounded to extinction. Conversely, obese people pay no extra tax on their food but their health problems cost as much as smoking-related illnesses.

If smoking bans continue in the way they have been imposed in the last few years, smokers will buy their tobacco illegally and criminals will make money from supplying in the way they do now with drugs. If people use their money, that has already been taxed by PAYE or another method, to buy tobacco which has a huge tax markup, then that's up to them. So long as they're not interferring with others or making others uncomfortable. Having said that, I don't know anyone who smokes who wouldn't be happy to nip outside and wouldn't dream of smoking around non-smokers or in anyone's home.

Incidentally, I have never seen anyone smoke in Houses of Parliament. In fact, Parliament was the first establishment in England to impose a smoking ban way back in the 1600s.

[joeysteele]

In 2009-10, the government made over £10 billion from tobacco tax. During the same period, the NHS cost £100 billion to run. So smokers are in effect funding 10% of the NHS. That £10 billion is going to have to be collected from somewhere once smokers have been hounded to extinction. Conversely, obese people pay no extra tax on their food but their health problems cost as much as smoking-related illnesses.

If smoking bans continue in the way they have been imposed in the last few years, smokers will buy their tobacco illegally and criminals will make money from supplying in the way they do now with drugs. If people use their money, that has already been taxed by PAYE or another method, to buy tobacco which has a huge tax markup, then that's up to them. So long as they're not interferring with others or making others uncomfortable. Having said that, I don't know anyone who smokes who wouldn't be happy to nip outside and wouldn't dream of smoking around non-smokers or in anyone's home.

Incidentally, I have never seen anyone smoke in Houses of Parliament. In fact, Parliament was the first establishment in England to impose a smoking ban way back in the 1600s.

Absolutely first class post again Livia.Not only spot on but informative and educational too.

[Jords]

I agree 100% with your post Pyramid. I'm 32 now and have been smoking since I was 16, as yet I've not had any ill health due to smoking which is why, especially in the last year I feel huge pressure to quit before it's too late (eventhough it might already be) I'm determined to give up before this year is finished.

How many do you smoke a day Niamh?

[InOne]

In 2009-10, the government made over £10 billion from tobacco tax. During the same period, the NHS cost £100 billion to run. So smokers are in effect funding 10% of the NHS. That £10 billion is going to have to be collected from somewhere once smokers have been hounded to extinction. Conversely, obese people pay no extra tax on their food but their health problems cost as much as smoking-related illnesses.

If smoking bans continue in the way they have been imposed in the last few years, smokers will buy their tobacco illegally and criminals will make money from supplying in the way they do now with drugs. If people use their money, that has already been taxed by PAYE or another method, to buy tobacco which has a huge tax markup, then that's up to them. So long as they're not interferring with others or making others uncomfortable. Having said that, I don't know anyone who smokes who wouldn't be happy to nip outside and wouldn't dream of smoking around non-smokers or in anyone's home.

Incidentally, I have never seen anyone smoke in Houses of Parliament. In fact, Parliament was the first establishment in England to impose a smoking ban way back in the 1600s.

Cigs have again gone up as well :bored: It's like every week now

[Niamh.]

How many do you smoke a day Niamh?

Between 15-20 :/

[InOne]

Between 15-20 :/

That's way more than me :shocked: I'm pretty light compared to you

[Jords]

Between 15-20 :/

Just try cutting down to 10 then eventually 3-5 if you enjoy your smoking. And then if you do want to quit then try it :)


My dad tried from smoking ~20 since his teens to none and it was impossible, he lasted 3 days :laugh:

[Vicky.]

My mum has started getting her cigarettes off the 'baccy man' because of the constant rise in prices. She used to go mental at me for doing that :laugh2:

[InOne]

Yeah I might have to do that soon, although my one has vanished :suspect:

[Pyramid*]

In 2009-10, the government made over £10 billion from tobacco tax. During the same period, the NHS cost £100 billion to run. So smokers are in effect funding 10% of the NHS. That £10 billion is going to have to be collected from somewhere once smokers have been hounded to extinction. Conversely, obese people pay no extra tax on their food but their health problems cost as much as smoking-related illnesses.

If smoking bans continue in the way they have been imposed in the last few years, smokers will buy their tobacco illegally and criminals will make money from supplying in the way they do now with drugs. If people use their money, that has already been taxed by PAYE or another method, to buy tobacco which has a huge tax markup, then that's up to them. So long as they're not interferring with others or making others uncomfortable. Having said that, I don't know anyone who smokes who wouldn't be happy to nip outside and wouldn't dream of smoking around non-smokers or in anyone's home.

Incidentally, I have never seen anyone smoke in Houses of Parliament. In fact, Parliament was the first establishment in England to impose a smoking ban way back in the 1600s.

I've been having this financial NHS cig/baccy tax debate for ever and it's shocking the amount of non-smokers who bleat on about how much smokers cost the tax payer/NHS - when they have not a clue.

Excellent post - I may not always agree with you -but on this one - it would be sheer folly not to.

[Jords]

Who is the baccy man? :joker:

[Zippy]

Smokers are starting to look a bit sad and desperate all huddled together outside buildings puffing away like crazy. Theyre becoming the new crack addicts. I think occasional smoking is ok but some people can't go 30 minutes without a fag. That's pathetic.

And no they shouldn't be able to inflict their smoke on others in enclosed areas. I don't want to inhale it or have it make my clothes stink, thanks. Other than that they can do what they like to their own health. Their choice.

[CharlieO]

I hate walking past smokers because the smell reminds me of nights out in singapore and makes me miss it like crazy.
I do like the smell of smoke though.

[Vicky.]

Who is the baccy man? :joker:

Every street has one.

The guy who goes on 'holiday' a lot and sells his tabs and baccy cheap :p

[Jords]

Ive not seen him :suspect:

[Stu]

Theyre becoming the new crack addicts.
Well done that's the stupidest thing I've read here in awhile and it's not even on your shitty Bono thread.

[Pyramid*]

Smokers are starting to look a bit sad and desperate all huddled together outside buildings puffing away like crazy. Theyre becoming the new crack addicts. I think occasional smoking is ok but some people can't go 30 minutes without a fag. That's pathetic.

And no they shouldn't be able to inflict their smoke on others in enclosed areas. I don't want to inhale it or have it make my clothes stink, thanks. Other than that they can do what they like to their own health. Their choice.

Exaggeration ...much !!

I hate walking past smokers because the smell reminds me of nights out in singapore and makes me miss it like crazy.
I do like the smell of smoke though.

Charlie, you've been away for less than a full day just about. Give yourself some time.

[Zippy]

Well done that's the stupidest thing I've read here in awhile and it's not even on your shitty Bono thread.

Well I didnt mean it literally but....whatever.

[CharlieO]

Charlie, you've been away for less than a full day just about. Give yourself some time.

I know but im sad. And well I was more referring to just walking past them and pining for a night out even when I was still in sing.

[Pyramid*]

I know but im sad. And well I was more referring to just walking past them and pining for a night out even when I was still in sing.

I know...but you've still only been away about day!! Give it time...give yourself time. - it's a big adjustment for you. Chin up.

Just don't take up the fags along the way....:nono:

[CharlieO]

I know...but you've still only been away about day!! Give it time...give yourself time. - it's a big adjustment for you. Chin up.

Just don't take up the fags along the way....:nono:

God no, I will never smoke.

I know but I am horrible with change. Time is needed.

[arista]

Smokers are starting to look a bit sad and desperate all huddled together outside buildings puffing away like crazy. Theyre becoming the new crack addicts. I think occasional smoking is ok but some people can't go 30 minutes without a fag. That's pathetic.

And no they shouldn't be able to inflict their smoke on others in enclosed areas. I don't want to inhale it or have it make my clothes stink, thanks. Other than that they can do what they like to their own health. Their choice.





Yes Good Points
Zippy.

[Pyramid*]

Yes Good Points
Zippy.

Refers Arista to Zippy's subsequent post.....


Well I didnt mean it literally but....whatever.

Open your eyes Arista.
Spiffing.


;)

[Marc]

Of course they do, they're human beings :conf:

(doesn't smoke)

[MeMyselfAndI]

nope they're murderers

[Marc]

That's a very strong statement MMI

[Pyramid*]

nope they're murderers

Yes. Murderers. :hugesmile:

Does the fact that I am also killing myself help mitigate my murderous ways!!!

[arista]

"Refers Arista to Zippy's subsequent post....."


You can't as I
picked the Post I wanted to reply to.


Sign Of The Times.

[Pyramid*]

"Refers Arista to Zippy's subsequent post....."


You can't as I
picked the Post I wanted to reply to.


Sign Of The Times.

Not only can I, I did. See my earlier post.

:joker:

[joeysteele]

Smokers are only having to congregate outside because they are not allowed to smoke inside pubs and clubs etc,
I know most people are far more intimated by a group of people drinking outside the doorway as opposed to smokers smoking.

Most smokers go out together to carry on conversations while smoking,I don't smoke, have many firends who do and if I am talking to them on a topic inside, should they want to go out and have a cigarette,I would go with them, in doing so I guess I would likely be seen by zippy as being one of the new crack addicts he descibes for being seen doing so despite not even having a cigarette.

Of course smokers have rights, just as people have the right to make judgements on them for doing so, even if their judgements are borne out of prejudice and are wrong.
I'd rather be around a load of smokers than people with really prejudiced views, that's for sure.

Mind you, I often find ex-smokers are the worst now for criticising smokers.

[Pyramid*]

Smokers are only having to congregate outside because they are not allowed to smoke inside pubs and clubs etc,
I know most people are far more intimated by a group of people drinking outside the doorway as opposed to smokers smoking.

Most smokers go out together to carry on conversations while smoking,I don't smoke, have many firends who do and if I am talking to them on a topic inside, should they want to go out and have a cigarette,I would go with them, in doing so I guess I would likely be seen by zippy as being one of the new crack addicts he descibes for being seen doing so despite not even having a cigarette.

Of course smokers have rights, just as people have the right to make judgements on them for doing so, even if their judgements are borne out of prejudice and are wrong.
I'd rather be around a load of smokers than people with really prejudiced views, that's for sure.

Mind you, I often find ex-smokers are the worst now for criticising smokers.

Wise words.

Nothing worse than a reformed smoker!!!

[arista]

"Mind you, I often find ex-smokers are the worst now for criticising smokers."


Sure
but Smokers are getting more Illegal
in the place the puff there toxic smoke

[Pyramid*]

"Mind you, I often find ex-smokers are the worst now for criticising smokers."


Sure
but Smokers are getting more Illegal
in the place the puff there toxic smoke

Wrong.

SMOKING is ..... not the smokers.

[lostalex]

One of the only redeeming qualities about smoking is that it really pisses off the shrill and obnoxious anti-smoking crusaders. :thumbs:

Has anyone else noticed a very strange connection between anti-smoking crusaders and evangelical christians?

That whole logic of "i'm trying to SAVE YOU!" is disturbing to me.

There are plenty of people in the world who need help and are begging for it. I'm not one of them, thanks.

[Alf]

there's nothing like a smoke after a meal

i cherrish them moments

[lostalex]

there's nothing like a smoke after a meal

i cherrish them moments


i agree. it's a palate cleanser.

eat. smoke. beer. (smoke, beer, smoke, beer....)

[Pyramid*]

there's nothing like a smoke after a meal

i cherrish them moments

They are one of the most enjoyable smokes!

[InOne]

i agree. it's a palate cleanser.

eat. smoke. beer. (smoke, beer, smoke, beer....)

Is it true in some states you can smoke in pubs there and some not?

[lostalex]

Is it true in some states you can smoke in pubs there and some not?

Yup, and the ironic part is, that all the fun states, you can't smoke in the bars/pubs, and all the states you have no desire to go to, all allow smoking. It's quite depressing.

New York, California, no smoking. Alabama, North Dakota, go on and smoke!

Rednecks get it right sometimes (like a broken clock)

[InOne]

Would've thought NY would have had it lol Like walking into those back alley smokey bars in the films

[lostalex]

Would've thought NY would have had it lol Like walking into those back alley smokey bars in the films

seriously. The anti-smoking lobby is as fanatical as the anti-abortion lobby. They all are self-righteous twats thinking they are superheroes saving the weak and defenseless.

Patronizing bullsheet.

[arista]

Wrong.

SMOKING is ..... not the smokers.


Do not be silly the Rude Smokers
who smoke there toxic smoke
in front of public are well out of order.


Bans are needed

[lostalex]

Do not be silly the Rude Smokers
who smoke there toxic smoke
in front of public are well out of order.


Bans are needed


The fumes coming out of 1 car are more toxic than one smoker. Why arn't you campaigning against cars with the same fervor?

Arista, stop trying to impose your morality on everyone else.

It's very off-putting. (to put it politely)

There is ZERO evidence that second hand smoke causes any more damage than living in a city. The cancer rates of non-smokers who live in cities, is the same as smokers who live in rural areas. So if you don't want lung cancer, you shouldn't live in a city!

[Stu]

rh2wST3eLBg

:worship:

[Pyramid*]

Do not be silly the Rude Smokers
who smoke there toxic smoke
in front of public are well out of order.


Bans are needed

The only people that are well out of order are the whinging 'anti smoking' brigade. They have this fantasy in their heads that they are in charge of the entire world: the streets we live in, the air - you name it, they think they own it and make the rults. It's their fantasy. They can keep it.

I love hearing about the volcanoes spewing their smoke and ash into the atmosphere - I can envisage the anti smoking nutjobs having a complete breakdown. :D

Mother nature is a smoker herself. :hugesmile: You cannot argue with that one!!

Case closed I think!!

[arista]

The fumes coming out of 1 car are more toxic than one smoker. Why arn't you campaigning against cars with the same fervor?

Arista, stop trying to impose your morality on everyone else.

It's very off-putting. (to put it politely)

There is ZERO evidence that second hand smoke causes any more damage than living in a city. The cancer rates of non-smokers who live in cities, is the same as smokers who live in rural areas. So if you don't want lung cancer, you shouldn't live in a city!



Cars are changing to safer fumes
Stinking Smokers are still breaking our Laws.

Kids grow up all over the place
they can not Stop these Punk Smokers

[Pyramid*]

Cars are changing to safer fumes
Stinking Smokers are still breaking our Laws.


:joker:

Dream on Arista.

______________
spiffing.

[Ramsay]

bill hicks!:worship:

[lostalex]

rh2wST3eLBg

:worship:


:joker: brilliant.

[InOne]

rh2wST3eLBg

:worship:

:worship:

[Pyramid*]

rh2wST3eLBg

:worship:

Happy to join you in adoration.

:worship:

Bloody brilliant!

[Shaun]

Bill :love:

[arista]

Bill :love:


Give it Up
Shaun.


Live Longer

[Iceman]

Arista, if I was near you now, i'd blow smoke your way.

[Alf]

Arista, if I was near you now, i'd blow smoke your way.
i was thinking that same thing

[arista]

Arista, if I was near you now, i'd blow smoke your way.


And I would knock you down
and arrest you.

[Marsh.]

I don't see the problem. If they wanna give themselves breathing problems and shorten their life expectancy then let them.

[Iceman]

And I would knock you down
and arrest you.

Police now are you?

This aint GTAIV
get with the times
son

[arista]

I don't see the problem. If they wanna give themselves breathing problems and shorten their life expectancy then let them.


Because they take Non Smokers with them.

[lostalex]

Because they take Non Smokers with them.

prove it.

[lostalex]

And I would knock you down
and arrest you.

Why would you knock someone down for that? talk about disproportionate force. Someone blowing smoke at you means you have license to assault them? seriously? i feel sorry for anyone that knows you.

[joeysteele]

Give me a smoker to car fumes anyday, chidlren in pushchairs get most exposed to car fumes and the annoying car drivers who have stopped and are talking to someone but leave their engines running are worse.
I don't care how safe people say some cars are as to exhaust fumes,it is still being emitted from them and it still stinks.

As I said earlier in this thread, when in an enclosed bus station,I cannot hardly breathe in there with the bus engines going etc, I would rather be in the presence of thousands of smokers, the smell of smoking is a million times better too.

How could it ever be right to ban smoking in open areas if people wish to, people pay their council taxes, smokers pay vastly higher taxes for smoking on duty to to the treasury. Prejudice and the nanny state come to mind as the only logical explanation for people condemning smokers,simply because they want to smoke, but the whingers don't want to smoke themselves but also want to impose their likes and dislikes on all others.

If any ban needs to likely be in place it needs to be against the whingers not the smokers.

[Alf]

I don't see the problem. If they wanna give themselves breathing problems and shorten their life expectancy then let them.
stop talking sh*t you square

you get one life, and by not trying things just because you've heard some people think it's wrong, means your wasting your one and only life.

[Pyramid*]

Arista, if I was near you now, i'd blow smoke your way.


Sort of like this??

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lel0prNMTn1qagm3so1_500.jpg

Waste of good smoke Iceman.

Here's a better use for it.... sexy as hell - even as a straight female, it appeals!

http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/b0/d0/beautiful,body,part,cigarette,cloud,face,girl,glos s,glossy,lips,lipstick,makeup,model,mouth,mua,open ,puff,red,sexy,smoke-b0d0c0d0c6cbdc752f500b9de1ca8252_m.jpg


*Arista. Apologies but you are coming away with some pretty heavy duty stuff !! *

[Stu]

stop talking sh*t you square

you get one life, and by not trying things just because you've heard some people think it's wrong, means your wasting your one and only life.
To be fair he never said he doesn't smoke because people think it's wrong. He doesn't smoke because of the health concequences. Same reason I'm in a neverending process of trying to quit.

Anti smokers annoy the hell out of me too but I know I'm being very dickish when I'm smoking. I used to love these 'you only get one life' arguments too but they are complete fodder. What like you have to smoke to enjoy this one life or something?

All this B.S. about living life to the max, mannnn. What you need tobacco for that? All it does is temporarily give you the sensation of relaxation and stress reduction non smokers enjoy all the time. A cigarette doesn't make you feel better after a meal. It just makes you feel normal like every non smoker at the table. It's called addiction. It fills an insivible hole for about half an hour.

Again I can't stand the anti smoking brigade - people can smoke all they want - but at the same time I'm long, long past my youthful rebellion days of smoking apologetics. It's a ****ing retarded habit.

[Marsh.]

stop talking sh*t you square

you get one life, and by not trying things just because you've heard some people think it's wrong, means your wasting your one and only life.

:joker: Yeah, hardly anybody dies or gets serious disabilities due to incessant smoking. :rolleyes:

And... wasting my life by not smoking? Do you actually read what you type before you post?

[Ramsay]

ive tried so many times to quit and have failed miserably every time..mostly when im drunk and out
wish i never started
but meh if people wanna smoke go ahead its their life ..who do the 'anti-smokers' think they are telling someone what they can or cant do
damn i want a fag now:bawling:

[Stu]

:joker: Yeah, hardly anybody dies or gets serious disabilities due to incessant smoking. :rolleyes:

And... wasting my life by not smoking? Do you actually read what you type before you post?
Come on man live life to the max! Don't bother with feeling fit or seeing the world or any of the other hundreds of thousands of amazing things the universe has to offer. You're really not getting the most from it unless you know that feeling of hanging out the window first thing in the morning packing nicotine into your system.

I mean you could be waiting for the bus or you could be smoking whilst waiting for the bus. Serious buzz.

[Alf]

To be fair he never said he doesn't smoke because people think it's wrong. He doesn't smoke because of the health concequences. Same reason I'm in a neverending process of trying to quit.

Anti smokers annoy the hell out of me too but I know I'm being very dickish when I'm smoking. I used to love these 'you only get one life' arguments too but they are complete fodder. What like you have to smoke to enjoy this one life or something?

All this B.S. about living life to the max, mannnn. What you need tobacco for that? All it does is temporarily give you the sensation of relaxation and stress reduction non smokers enjoy all the time. A cigarette doesn't make you feel better after a meal. It just makes you feel normal like every non smoker at the table. It's called addiction. It fills an insivible hole for about half an hour.

Again I can't stand the anti smoking brigade - people can smoke all they want - but at the same time I'm long, long past my youthful rebellion days of smoking apologetics. It's a ****ing retarded habit.
yeah i do believe trying things, cigs, booze, drugs, gambling or whatever makes you happy is living your life in a much more productive way than not trying but still having an opinion on them things.
and i agree i'd like to stop one day, but when i'm good and ready, not when other people say so

[Stu]

yeah i do believe trying things, cigs, booze, drugs, gambling or whatever makes you happy is living your life in a much more productive way than not trying but still having an opinion on them things.
and i agree i'd like to stop one day, but when i'm good and ready, not when other people say so
I agree on everything but cigarettes there. Gambling can be a wild ride and psychoactive drugs get you out of it. Cigarettes ... yeah ... they are something in life to try but they don't really contribute anything other than vast sums of taxes to shady governments, vast sums of profit to companies who don't give a damn about your well being and poor health for the user.

All without even getting high. If weed was freely available nevermind booze ... people would see the serious pointlessness in cigarettes.

[Pyramid*]

To be fair he never said he doesn't smoke because people think it's wrong. He doesn't smoke because of the health concequences. Same reason I'm in a neverending process of trying to quit.

Anti smokers annoy the hell out of me too but I know I'm being very dickish when I'm smoking. I used to love these 'you only get one life' arguments too but they are complete fodder. What like you have to smoke to enjoy this one life or something?

All this B.S. about living life to the max, mannnn. What you need tobacco for that? All it does is temporarily give you the sensation of relaxation and stress reduction non smokers enjoy all the time. A cigarette doesn't make you feel better after a meal. It just makes you feel normal like every non smoker at the table. It's called addiction. It fills an insivible hole for about half an hour.

Again I can't stand the anti smoking brigade - people can smoke all they want - but at the same time I'm long, long past my youthful rebellion days of smoking apologetics. It's a ****ing retarded habit.

Of course you do not have to smoke to enjoy life - but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo.

Some people enjoy smoking. Yes enjoy it. It's not for you or anyone else to tell them they don't enjoy it.

I can't find the post where anyone has said having a smoke after a meal makes them feel better. I can see posts that say they enjoy, cherish etc, not I can't find one that says the person feels better?

I happen to know many people who will have a cigarette only once or twice a day - after a meal, or with a pint -and are lucky if they smoke 10 fags a week. That's not an addiction: that's enjoyment -and one that they chose.

To bang the 'no, it's an addiction' drum is folly. Every smoker is different.

And before you go reply to me with your standard "You are looking for an argument", I'll clarify that my post above is merely pointing out the salient inaccuracies, as I see them, within your reply that should be taken into consideration.

[Stu]

You might be trying too hard there Pyramid. My post was hardly going to apply to every smoker on the planet. Just the vast majority.

My post had nothing to do with anything Arista said either. I think we can all agree he is a bit ... yeah. I don't see why passive smoking is such a hot topic for someone who never leaves his flat.

[Pyramid*]

You might be trying too hard there Pyramid. My post was hardly going to apply to every smoker on the planet. Just the vast majority.

My post had nothing to do with anything Arista said either. I think we can all agree he is a bit ... yeah. I don't see why passive smoking is such a hot topic for someone who never leaves his flat.

I don't need to try hard Stu. I don't believe I said that your post related to Arista. I merely added to the thrust of the discussion, that I felt Arista's view on smokers and what he would do, was OTT. I merely put up my thoughts on your reply.

I was also taking the time to point out that not everyone who choses to have a smoke - can be regarded as addicted.

Everything is relative.

.

[arista]

"but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo."

A Bit Much
Bollocks

Smoke is a Killer

Any Punk that Smokes in my Face gets Knocked Down.

[Stu]

I don't need to try hard Stu. I don't believe I said that your post related to Arista. I merely added to the thrust of the discussion, that I felt Arista's view on smokers and what he would do, was OTT. I merely put up my thoughts on your reply.

I was also taking the time to point out that not everyone who choses to have a smoke - can be regarded as addicted.

Everything is relative.

.
Well done.

[InOne]

"but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo."

A Bit Much
Bollocks

Smoke is a Killer

Any Punk that Smokes in my Face gets Knocked Down.

:joker:

[arista]

Well done.


thanks Stu.

[InOne]

http://www.thecampussocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/Modern-Vintage-ZANI-1-Girl-Smoking.jpg

Arista you seem a little wound up so I bought you a hooker

[arista]

Arista you seem a little wound up so I bought you a hooker


I Ain't Wound that much up.

[Iceman]

I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down.

[InOne]

I Ain't Wound that much up.

Fine I'll have her then :hmph:

[joeysteele]

Of course you do not have to smoke to enjoy life - but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo.

Some people enjoy smoking. Yes enjoy it. It's not for you or anyone else to tell them they don't enjoy it.

I can't find the post where anyone has said having a smoke after a meal makes them feel better. I can see posts that say they enjoy, cherish etc, not I can't find one that says the person feels better?

I happen to know many people who will have a cigarette only once or twice a day - after a meal, or with a pint -and are lucky if they smoke 10 fags a week. That's not an addiction: that's enjoyment -and one that they chose.

To bang the 'no, it's an addiction' drum is folly. Every smoker is different.

And before you go reply to me with your standard "You are looking for an argument", I'll clarify that my post above is merely pointing out the salient inaccuracies, as I see them, within your reply that should be taken into consideration.

I agree with you, the thread asks if smokers have rights, I say of course they do and you make full and valid points that show why it should remain so.

[Redway]

Just as much as anyone else, I guess. In essence, I do understand what you're saying, but they still have rights.

[InOne]

http://www.amendthesmokingban.com/

[arista]

http://www.amendthesmokingban.com/


Do you think they can change the Law?

[InOne]

Do you think they can change the Law?

It's not impossible.