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JohnnyBB
05-07-2011, 01:20 PM
Big Brother on Channel 5 will not have a 24-hour live feed, according to digital director James Tatam.

Channel 5 and producer Endemol are instead working closely with mobile agency Mobile Interactive Group on a Facebook app that will have real-time news, extra video content and the ability to vote out housemates online.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/big-brother/news/a328338/big-brother-live-feed-replaced-with-facebook-app.html

Stu
05-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Why is it so unfathomable to just give people a live feed? Surely they must know the huge backlash they will get if this is true. The 'but video updates lol!' spiel didn't do Channel 4 much good two years ago. People want a feed, not twelve second video updates blanketed by thirty seconds of advertising showing stuff that will make it to the highlights show anyway.

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 01:27 PM
He said there won't be a live feed on the website. Hopefully there will be a YouTube one:

"It’s also in talks with YouTube to extend the use of the platform beyond video content for Big Brother."

Vicky.
05-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Seriously not as interested now.

Will be more a soap opera than a reality tv show

BringItOn
05-07-2011, 01:31 PM
Goshh BB10 repeat = fail
Oh dear C5, cheap move :nono:

happybbfan
05-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Losing the will to care now.Channel 5 a statement needed now before this gets out of control.@peterdyke daily star

CharlieO
05-07-2011, 01:37 PM
An app can go away, I hate real time update crap things.

BigBrotherfan4ever
05-07-2011, 01:38 PM
This is crap if there no LF.:devil:

ILoveTRW
05-07-2011, 01:38 PM
can't say im bothered

Locke.
05-07-2011, 02:10 PM
Probably wouldn't have watched it anyway, but they should still have it. Isn't really the same show without it.

Callum
05-07-2011, 02:20 PM
Sad to hear, the LF last year made for addictive viewing.

mj2303
05-07-2011, 02:24 PM
really dont get the fussabout LF, no-one is around 24/7 to watch every single minute so why is a constant update of highlights not good enough? It is nothing to do with channel 5 not caring about live feed or the viewers but from a business view it might be not workable to do it or cost efficient so why should they. They dont have to break their baks trying to find a replacement for it with youtube, facebook updates and mobile apps but they are, so it is clear they do care. Live feed is not the be all and end all of Big Brother and never has been it is just a gimmick, the highlights show covers the main stories going on in the house and with extra updates on the website/twitter/facebook/mobile apps/youtube i cant see what everyone is moaning about we will have a good clear view of what is going on in the house and with the housemates. And for those who say it will just be edited to favour some more than others, i strongly disagree BB has to root through 24hrs of feed each day to pick out the stories that are potentially going to run a course and that are funny/intresting. If a housemate does not add to these then ofcourse they will get less air time and the ones involved in the current stories will be more heavy on the airtime. rant over :)

InOne
05-07-2011, 02:25 PM
That will be very **** :/

Stu
05-07-2011, 02:30 PM
really dont get the fussabout LF, no-one is around 24/7 to watch every single minute so why is a constant update of highlights not good enough? It is nothing to do with channel 5 not caring about live feed or the viewers but from a business view it might be not workable to do it or cost efficient so why should they. They dont have to break their baks trying to find a replacement for it with youtube, facebook updates and mobile apps but they are, so it is clear they do care. Live feed is not the be all and end all of Big Brother and never has been it is just a gimmick, the highlights show covers the main stories going on in the house and with extra updates on the website/twitter/facebook/mobile apps/youtube i cant see what everyone is moaning about we will have a good clear view of what is going on in the house and with the housemates. And for those who say it will just be edited to favour some more than others, i strongly disagree BB has to root through 24hrs of feed each day to pick out the stories that are potentially going to run a course and that are funny/intresting. If a housemate does not add to these then ofcourse they will get less air time and the ones involved in the current stories will be more heavy on the airtime. rant over :)
You're wrong, though.

Boothy
05-07-2011, 02:32 PM
I'd have thought they'd have done the most they possibly could to get ratings back up and start the new series successfully. Looks like this could be a disappointment.

g17m
05-07-2011, 02:33 PM
really dont get the fussabout LF, no-one is around 24/7 to watch every single minute so why is a constant update of highlights not good enough? It is nothing to do with channel 5 not caring about live feed or the viewers but from a business view it might be not workable to do it or cost efficient so why should they. They dont have to break their baks trying to find a replacement for it with youtube, facebook updates and mobile apps but they are, so it is clear they do care. Live feed is not the be all and end all of Big Brother and never has been it is just a gimmick, the highlights show covers the main stories going on in the house and with extra updates on the website/twitter/facebook/mobile apps/youtube i cant see what everyone is moaning about we will have a good clear view of what is going on in the house and with the housemates. And for those who say it will just be edited to favour some more than others, i strongly disagree BB has to root through 24hrs of feed each day to pick out the stories that are potentially going to run a course and that are funny/intresting. If a housemate does not add to these then ofcourse they will get less air time and the ones involved in the current stories will be more heavy on the airtime. rant over :)

have to agree, i have never watched live feed but still find the highlights show highly enjoyable, something nice to chill and watch after college/work

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 02:34 PM
really dont get the fussabout LF, no-one is around 24/7 to watch every single minute so why is a constant update of highlights not good enough? It is nothing to do with channel 5 not caring about live feed or the viewers but from a business view it might be not workable to do it or cost efficient so why should they. They dont have to break their baks trying to find a replacement for it with youtube, facebook updates and mobile apps but they are, so it is clear they do care. Live feed is not the be all and end all of Big Brother and never has been it is just a gimmick, the highlights show covers the main stories going on in the house and with extra updates on the website/twitter/facebook/mobile apps/youtube i cant see what everyone is moaning about we will have a good clear view of what is going on in the house and with the housemates. And for those who say it will just be edited to favour some more than others, i strongly disagree BB has to root through 24hrs of feed each day to pick out the stories that are potentially going to run a course and that are funny/intresting. If a housemate does not add to these then ofcourse they will get less air time and the ones involved in the current stories will be more heavy on the airtime. rant over :)

Posts like this are the reason we might not be getting a feed, they read them and think that it's not important to have one, it is though, BB10 flopped completely without one.

BringItOn
05-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Posts like this are the reason we might not be getting a feed, they read them and think that it's not important to have one, it is though, BB10 flopped completely without one.

I agree.

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 02:35 PM
have to agree, i have never watched live feed but still find the highlights show highly enjoyable, something nice to chill and watch after college/work

Without a feed there won't be a highlights show though, the show needs a feed for the press to write about it and to give fans something to talk about on here and DS it will be canceled next summer without one, I bet my account on it.

RichardG
05-07-2011, 02:37 PM
I only ever watched the live feed on BB11 anyway and loved all the other series' just as much, so i'm not that bothered.
Not gonna lie though, it was fun having the live feed available to watch whenever I wanted to watch it.

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 02:38 PM
I only ever watched the live feed on BB11 anyway and loved all the other series' just as much, so i'm not that bothered.
Not gonna lie though, it was fun having the live feed available to watch whenever I wanted to watch it.

You will be bothered when we don't have a show because of it.

RichardG
05-07-2011, 02:39 PM
You will be bothered when we don't have a show because of it.

I never expected the show to last long on channel 5 anyway, live feed or no live feed.

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 02:41 PM
I never expected the show to last long on channel 5 anyway, live feed or no live feed.

With a live feed it has a chance of being renewed for another 3 series after BB13, without a live feed, it will be axed next summer.

RichardG
05-07-2011, 02:47 PM
With a live feed it has a chance of being renewed for another 3 series after BB13, without a live feed, it will be axed next summer.

BB10 still got around 1.5m - 2m viewers if I remember correctly. If they can get similar ratings on Channel 5 this year then while it's not perfect i'm sure they would be happy with that.

Weather they would be able to keep those viewers watching in any future series after this though, who knows, but for now i'm sure they'll be satisfied with what they're getting.

If it fails miserably though then i'm sure it won't be solely down to the lack of live feed. While i'm sure it might be a factor, it wouldn't be the only factor. There must be something else in there which is bad as well.

BringItOn
05-07-2011, 02:50 PM
They say BB has so much more life in it to go on for years but they are squeezing all the life out of it.

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05-07-2011, 02:52 PM
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RichardG
05-07-2011, 02:54 PM
They say BB has so much more life in it to go on for years but they are squeezing all the life out of it.

I'm not gonna deny that with the lack of live feed, the whole 'golden ticket' scenario and so on, it does seem like they don't know what they're doing and almost as if they are trying to make it fail.

Who knows though, it might end up great. Stay positive! :elephant:

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 02:57 PM
I'm not gonna deny that with the lack of live feed, the whole 'golden ticket' scenario and so on, it does seem like they don't know what they're doing and almost as if they are trying to make it fail.

Who knows though, it might end up great. Stay positive! :elephant:

Without a live feed it won't be great.

Stu
05-07-2011, 02:58 PM
The live feed is not a mere gimmick but in fact the big marketable touchstone the show was originally designed around. Without it Big Brother is just another television show. With it it's something that sets the format apart from the cesspit of other reality shows clamouring for press and public attention.

From a business standpoint it is incredibly easy to maintain a live stream and I seriously doubt it is that expensive. It's certainly far less costly than the irreparable damage it's omission could cause to the show. The fans want live feed and by not giving it to them Channel 5 are like it or not - regardless of whatever pissant compromises they conjure up - kind of sticking up the middle finger at the most important people to the show.

You simply don't piss off your hardcore fanbase. You don't do it with TV shows, video games, film or any other form of modern entertainment. It's a dangerous thing to wade into and usually spells disaster.

I don't see the show as being entirely worthless without the feed - 2009 was my favourite series of it ever - but the simple fact is railing against it or dismissing it isin't cool or smart. It would be a major loss to the show and would set a very bad precedent for what's to come.

As if fans had not already been highly paranoid of what Channel 5 would do with the format this lame ass decision just vindicates those endless 'Channel 5 will **** it up' arguments.

Omah
05-07-2011, 02:58 PM
No BB for me, then ..... :nono:

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 03:00 PM
BB10 still got around 1.5m - 2m viewers if I remember correctly. If they can get similar ratings on Channel 5 this year then while it's not perfect i'm sure they would be happy with that.

Weather they would be able to keep those viewers watching in any future series after this though, who knows, but for now i'm sure they'll be satisfied with what they're getting.

If it fails miserably though then i'm sure it won't be solely down to the lack of live feed. While i'm sure it might be a factor, it wouldn't be the only factor. There must be something else in there which is bad as well.

The lowest ratings since the first week of BB1, which was on at 11pm.

And Neighbours was still getting 3 or 4 million on BBC1 but it didn't get 3 or 4 on Channel 5.

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 03:02 PM
No BB for me, then ..... :nono:

Same.

BigBrotherfan4ever
05-07-2011, 03:05 PM
really dont get the fussabout LF, no-one is around 24/7 to watch every single minute so why is a constant update of highlights not good enough? It is nothing to do with channel 5 not caring about live feed or the viewers but from a business view it might be not workable to do it or cost efficient so why should they. They dont have to break their baks trying to find a replacement for it with youtube, facebook updates and mobile apps but they are, so it is clear they do care. Live feed is not the be all and end all of Big Brother and never has been it is just a gimmick, the highlights show covers the main stories going on in the house and with extra updates on the website/twitter/facebook/mobile apps/youtube i cant see what everyone is moaning about we will have a good clear view of what is going on in the house and with the housemates. And for those who say it will just be edited to favour some more than others, i strongly disagree BB has to root through 24hrs of feed each day to pick out the stories that are potentially going to run a course and that are funny/intresting. If a housemate does not add to these then ofcourse they will get less air time and the ones involved in the current stories will be more heavy on the airtime. rant over :)

Totally disagree with you.

happybbfan
05-07-2011, 03:09 PM
Channel 5 have not confirmed or denied anything yet lets not forget this.

BigBrotherfan4ever
05-07-2011, 03:09 PM
Posts like this are the reason we might not be getting a feed, they read them and think that it's not important to have one, it is though, BB10 flopped completely without one.

Well said DS:hugesmile:

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05-07-2011, 03:17 PM
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05-07-2011, 03:29 PM
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BigSister
05-07-2011, 03:37 PM
Without the live feed its very mantipulate but ive had doubts about having a live feed on ch5 anyway its not like ch4 who had e4. The only way would have been a red button type or even you tube would work maybe.

daniel-lewis-1985
05-07-2011, 03:41 PM
When we had live feed the Papers could literally grab any story from the house with a screen shot and give readers exclusives.

How are they now supposed to break stories that we have already seen on the highlights.

No live feed loses bb's coverage and therefor lowers ratings significally.

I dont trust the editing on the show and cannot form a proper opinion of a housemate without live feed which sucks.

Im losing hope in Channel 5 i honestly thought they knew what the fans wanted but obviously they dont give a ****.

Its the publics show so maybe they should ****ing listen to what we want. I thought Channel 5 were going to take BB back to its glory days.

They have failed us.

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05-07-2011, 04:04 PM
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King Gizzard
05-07-2011, 04:11 PM
More reason not to watch it

Wasn't going to ever since I heard the Jedward story

Niall
05-07-2011, 04:13 PM
Even though I personally don't really watch it, they should keep it going. But oh well, at least we're actually getting a series of BB this year rather than nothing.

Always look on the bright side y'all. http://oi54.tinypic.com/rm5w6q.jpg

georgehudson
05-07-2011, 05:15 PM
As it says "there won't be live feed on the website", hopefully there will be on either Youtube or 5*.

If C5 make the most stupid decision to not have feed, the ratings will decrease. Fact.

Jords
05-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Channel 5 can suck me titties :bored:

Doogle
05-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Was looking forward to this being my first BB where I watch LF.

Never mind, **** off Channel 5.

Doogle
05-07-2011, 05:18 PM
As it says "there won't be live feed on the website", hopefully there will be on either Youtube or 5*.

If C5 make the most stupid decision to not have feed, the ratings will decrease. Fact.

Decrease even less than the only 200-odd that will watch anyway :'(

daniel-lewis-1985
05-07-2011, 05:32 PM
Im seriously pissed off.

Who is the user on here who worships "King Desmond"?

Well your beloved Desmond can eat my foreskin!

happybbfan
05-07-2011, 05:36 PM
my family have gone out,the neibours have taken cover and i am beyond belief as yet.Confirmation about this would be good asap.Channel 5 RIP BIG BROTHER

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 05:47 PM
Just e-mailed the woman who wrote the article, she's not sure whether the youtube thing is a live feed, C5 wouldn't go into detail, but she said she's going to speak to YouTube and see what she can find out.

bbfan1991
05-07-2011, 05:49 PM
Nooooooooooo:(:bored:.

Glenn.
05-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Have Channel 5 themselves confirmed this or has it just been taken from the article. There isn't any confirmation other than the article. DS is only reporting this because of the article. There's no solid ground to the story.

Harry!
05-07-2011, 05:55 PM
''App's'' SELL OUT TO TEENS. NOT HARDCORE AUDIENCE.

happybbfan
05-07-2011, 05:59 PM
Have Channel 5 themselves confirmed this or has it just been taken from the article. There isn't any confirmation other than the article. DS is only reporting this because of the article. There's no solid ground to the story.

I agree but lets face it tho it doesnt look good.Silence is not golden.need C5 to confirm something

keithafc
05-07-2011, 06:07 PM
Good news. LF = OVERRATED.

Stu
05-07-2011, 06:07 PM
Good news. LF = OVERRATED.
Regardless of your own personal opinion how on this or any other planet is it good news?

keithafc
05-07-2011, 06:14 PM
The live feed is not a mere gimmick but in fact the big marketable touchstone the show was originally designed around. Without it Big Brother is just another television show. With it it's something that sets the format apart from the cesspit of other reality shows clamouring for press and public attention.

From a business standpoint it is incredibly easy to maintain a live stream and I seriously doubt it is that expensive. It's certainly far less costly than the irreparable damage it's omission could cause to the show. The fans want live feed and by not giving it to them Channel 5 are like it or not - regardless of whatever pissant compromises they conjure up - kind of sticking up the middle finger at the most important people to the show.

You simply don't piss off your hardcore fanbase. You don't do it with TV shows, video games, film or any other form of modern entertainment. It's a dangerous thing to wade into and usually spells disaster.

I don't see the show as being entirely worthless without the feed - 2009 was my favourite series of it ever - but the simple fact is railing against it or dismissing it isin't cool or smart. It would be a major loss to the show and would set a very bad precedent for what's to come.

As if fans had not already been highly paranoid of what Channel 5 would do with the format this lame ass decision just vindicates those endless 'Channel 5 will **** it up' arguments.
That is the problem. The hardcore fan base are the only people really interested in Big Brother now. It has had its day and should be left out for 5+ years to let it rest and if enough people want it back, it should come back.


The real funeral of Big Brother will be from Channel 5 and not Channel 4. You don't need LF to create a great programme. Matter if you like it or not stu, Big Brother is just another TV show.

Im a Celebrity get me out of here has no LF for 2 and a half weeks and its ratings are at the top of the game.

keithafc
05-07-2011, 06:15 PM
Regardless of your own personal opinion how on this or any other planet is it good news?
They can create story lines easier without people perhaps knowing the full story. Throw in some quality housemates, people who love an argument and it could be good. I don't want to know what they are eating or what time they go to take a piss.

Vicky.
05-07-2011, 06:19 PM
They can create story lines easier without people perhaps knowing the full story. Throw in some quality housemates, people who love an argument and it could be good. I don't want to know what they are eating or what time they go to take a piss.

This is the problem...

Stu
05-07-2011, 06:20 PM
That is the problem. The hardcore fan base are the only people really interested in Big Brother now. It has had its day and should be left out for 5+ years to let it rest and if enough people want it back, it should come back.


The real funeral of Big Brother will be from Channel 5 and not Channel 4. You don't need LF to create a great programme. Matter if you like it or not stu, Big Brother is just another TV show.

Im a Celebrity get me out of here has no LF for 2 and a half weeks and its ratings are at the top of the game.
Be they all hardcore fans or not roughly three and a half million people were watching Big Brother every night of the week at the end of it's run. That's not to be scoffed at. Especially given the demographic it attracts.

Advertisers and TV executives would give their right arm for that kind of audience in this day and age and that's what Richard Desmond has done. He has paid top dollar for an audience that has the potential to be that big for his own struggling network.

Live feed is of huge importance to the brand and you're simply fooling yourself if you think it isin't.

They can create story lines easier without people perhaps knowing the full story. Throw in some quality housemates, people who love an argument and it could be good. I don't want to know what they are eating or what time they go to take a piss.
They had no problem creating storylines with the live feed for ten years. And what's wrong with people knowing the full story and giving greater colour and opinion to the highlights show spin?

Arguing about the specific content of the live feed is meaningless. You are more than welcome to find it the most boring thing since the dawn of time but it's not a 'good thing' that the option is no longer available for **** sake.

DigitalSid
05-07-2011, 06:26 PM
Be they all hardcore fans or not roughly three and a half million people were watching Big Brother every night of the week at the end of it's run. That's not to be scoffed at. Especially given the demographic it attracts.

Advertisers and TV executives would give their right arm for that kind of audience in this day and age and that's what Richard Desmond has done. He has paid top dollar for an audience that has the potential to be that big for his own struggling network.

Live feed is of huge importance to the brand and you're simply fooling yourself if you think it isin't.


They had no problem creating storylines with the live feed for ten years. And what's wrong with people knowing the full story and giving greater colour and opinion to the highlights show spin?

Arguing about the specific content of the live feed is meaningless. You are more than welcome to find it the most boring thing since the dawn of time but it's not a 'good thing' that the option is no longer available for **** sake.

Well said.

keithafc
05-07-2011, 06:38 PM
roughly three and a half million people were watching Big Brother every night of the week at the end of it's run.
You talking about the last series? Well that is obvious. Everyone was told it was the end, more people tuned in. Give it a run of 2-3 years straight and the ratings will drop again. The LF doesn't make a great deal of difference to the quality of the TV show.

Stu
05-07-2011, 06:44 PM
You talking about the last series? Well that is obvious. Everyone was told it was the end, more people tuned in. Give it a run of 2-3 years straight and the ratings will drop again. The LF doesn't make a great deal of difference to the quality of the TV show.
Without live feed it won't get a run of two to three years.

I'm well aware that it doesn't change the content or quality of the highlight shows but you are blatantly ignoring the multiple positive effects it has on the format. It's like you've just started mouthing off without reading a single post.

I feel for you if you think last years only rated well because people were told it was the last one. I seriously doubt all those extra people tuned in just because of that. And even if we go back a year 2.5 million is still an absurdly fantastic audience to a pit like Channel 5.

They could have a great run with it. But taking out a core show component and pissing off your loyal fanbase isin't the best way to start. It's a big loss for the product, will harm it's press coverage potential and it's being done for seemingly no good reason. Live feed is easy to put out. And best of all? If you think it's a bit **** you don't have to watch it.

keithafc
05-07-2011, 06:52 PM
Without live feed it won't get a run of two to three years.

I'm well aware that it doesn't change the content or quality of the highlight shows but you are blatantly ignoring the multiple positive effects it has on the format. It's like you've just started mouthing off without reading a single post.

I feel for you if you think last years only rated well because people were told it was the last one. I seriously doubt all those extra people tuned in just because of that. And even if we go back a year 2.5 million is still an absurdly fantastic audience to a pit like Channel 5.

They could have a great run with it. But taking out a core show component and pissing off your loyal fanbase isin't the best way to start. It's a big loss for the product, will harm it's press coverage potential and it's being done for seemingly no good reason. Live feed is easy to put out. And best of all? If you think it's a bit **** you don't have to watch it.
Ok, you are probably a bigger fan than me of the show in general and probably do know more about BBs history in general. But why downgrade the standards of the show of what it used to have and just accept ratings like that? If it isn't at a high level, why bother? It is like just being happy to have it, than not having it at all.

Tony1111
05-07-2011, 06:53 PM
I'll watch it but I'm skeptic. I expect it to be obviously heavily editted. :(

Rob
05-07-2011, 06:54 PM
Being a freeview watcher i did series 8,9,10 and the CBB's in between with out LF, i can do it again, roll on BB!

Stu
05-07-2011, 07:01 PM
Ok, you are probably a bigger fan than me of the show in general and probably do know more about BBs history in general. But why downgrade the standards of the show of what it used to have and just accept ratings like that? If it isn't at a high level, why bother? It is like just being happy to have it, than not having it at all.
Who is downgrading the standards of the show? If the feed has no impact on highlight shows then the ratings have even less of an impact. 2008 and 2009 were two of the best summers ever in my opinion and the ratings were on a serious downward curve.

I don't understand terms like 'why accept ratings like that' and 'why bother'. It's not getting the supershow ratings it once garnered oh say half a decade ago but like I've explained they are still fantastic ratings network execs would sell their mothers down the river for.

By your logic it would have been pointless accepting the show after it's final creative and commercial peak in 2006 and yet here I am glad I stuck around. I want it to rate well but at the end of the day I just want to watch the damn thing.

keithafc
05-07-2011, 07:11 PM
Who is downgrading the standards of the show? If the feed has no impact on highlight shows then the ratings have even less of an impact. 2008 and 2009 were two of the best summers ever in my opinion and the ratings were on a serious downward curve.

I don't understand terms like 'why accept ratings like that' and 'why bother'. It's not getting the supershow ratings it once garnered oh say half a decade ago but like I've explained they are still fantastic ratings network execs would sell their mothers down the river for.

By your logic it would have been pointless accepting the show after it's final creative and commercial peak in 2006 and yet here I am glad I stuck around. I want it to rate well but at the end of the day I just want to watch the damn thing.
Iv actually heard people say it should of stopped then and taken a rest and then come back after a few years.

o8kawasaki89
05-07-2011, 07:21 PM
Thats Crap! I wouldn't be surprise this because of editing & post productions reasons!

bb12
05-07-2011, 07:29 PM
Mate How Is It BREAKING NEWS If You dont Know For Definate

AJ.
05-07-2011, 07:37 PM
Seriously won't watch a minute if there's no live feed!

I don't think they would be that stupid though surely there will be an online feed at the least.

daniel-lewis-1985
05-07-2011, 07:38 PM
They can create story lines easier without people perhaps knowing the full story. Throw in some quality housemates, people who love an argument and it could be good. I don't want to know what they are eating or what time they go to take a piss.

The concept of Big Brother is that they are being watched by us 24/7 which obviously now we are unable to therefor killing the whole uniqueness of the show.

Pretty much every other country have the live feed.

And we dont want to watch the producers "creating" a story its supposed to be REALITY tv so we want to know the full story. Perhaps you are happy with being spoon fed innacurate events and stories in the house but us hardcore fans want to judge the housemates for ourselves.

bb12
05-07-2011, 07:47 PM
Bravo Speech daniel_lewis 5 Stars ;-)

keithafc
05-07-2011, 08:41 PM
The concept of Big Brother is that they are being watched by us 24/7 which obviously now we are unable to therefor killing the whole uniqueness of the show.

Pretty much every other country have the live feed.

And we dont want to watch the producers "creating" a story its supposed to be REALITY tv so we want to know the full story. Perhaps you are happy with being spoon fed innacurate events and stories in the house but us hardcore fans want to judge the housemates for ourselves.
Its not reality tv is it though. Its characters thrown into a house and living with stangers for 24/7.

daniel-lewis-1985
05-07-2011, 08:46 PM
Its not reality tv is it though. Its characters thrown into a house and living with stangers for 24/7.

Erm and thats reality tv lol.

Reality tv is an unscripted tv show that contains members of the public.

jjj2
05-07-2011, 08:46 PM
This is so they can edit a version of events in the house that suits Endemol storylines. They didn't like it last year when we could see for ourselves that we were being fed a false version of events in the house. Plus some of the Celebs may have insisted on no LF before they agreed to come on the show

keithafc
05-07-2011, 09:05 PM
Erm and thats reality tv lol.

Reality tv is an unscripted tv show that contains members of the public.
How much of reality is it though? Be honest. Id say so many people who go into the BB house are fake/playing a "game" with a fake personality.

Mac Hiavellian
05-07-2011, 09:11 PM
This is such a kick in the teeth. It stinks of CBB6/BB10 all over again and I can honestly see the show ending once the 2 year contract is up unless it can manage to genuinely wow the public

daniel-lewis-1985
05-07-2011, 09:48 PM
How much of reality is it though? Be honest. Id say so many people who go into the BB house are fake/playing a "game" with a fake personality.

Big Brother is reality tv...FACT.

However its less reality without live feed as we will be just watching a soap opera of what the producers put together for us.

You saying that BB is not reality tv is probs one of the most ridiculous statement ive seen on here only being beaten by a time some idiot posted that residents and families who live by the bb compound should move if they didnt like the noise lol....CLASSIC

Josy
05-07-2011, 09:59 PM
This is bad news :bored: we need live feed!

AJ.
05-07-2011, 10:05 PM
http://www.channel5.com/contact-us

Sawyer
05-07-2011, 10:20 PM
http://www.channel5.com/contact-us

I've contacted them, may, or may not, make a difference. (If we all do)

MTVN
05-07-2011, 10:40 PM
I wouldnt watch it that much but it really is bad news for the show, the housemate's being watched 24/7 is kind of central to the whole concept of Big Brother. I'm pretty worried at the direction 5 are going with this, tbh I doubt they were ever really planning to have LF in the first place..

Omah
05-07-2011, 10:46 PM
I wouldnt watch it that much but it really is bad news for the show, the housemate's being watched 24/7 is kind of central to the whole concept of Big Brother. I'm pretty worried at the direction 5 are going with this, tbh I doubt they were ever really planning to have LF in the first place..

It was always going to be the "new" reality - plotted, scripted and pre-recorded .....:hmph:

daniel-lewis-1985
05-07-2011, 10:47 PM
Sent my complaint/rant

RichardG
05-07-2011, 10:53 PM
How much of reality is it though? Be honest. Id say so many people who go into the BB house are fake/playing a "game" with a fake personality.

^ this
It's classed as reality tv but it isn't really real, is it? As with every reality tv show out there there's a certain degree of fakeness in it.

daniel-lewis-1985
05-07-2011, 10:58 PM
^ this
It's classed as reality tv but it isn't really real, is it? As with every reality tv show out there there's a certain degree of fakeness in it.

And thats why with live feed Big Brother allways stood out as it literally was 24/7 unedited reality tv "What you see is what you get".

With no live feed its just like any other show.

AJ.
05-07-2011, 11:07 PM
^ this
It's classed as reality tv but it isn't really real, is it? As with every reality tv show out there there's a certain degree of fakeness in it.

Well no, ofcourse some of the people have gameplans & aren't being real etc but people are like that in real life. Reality tv to me is real people behaving naturally however fake they may act their only influence is themselves unlike jersey/towie.

Beastie
05-07-2011, 11:38 PM
The worst EVER decision which happened on BB was axing the 24 7 live feed for BB10! :nono: They went down 2 million viewers.

Channel 5 are stupid ***** if they axe 24 7 live feed. Tight bastards!

keithafc
06-07-2011, 12:05 AM
Big Brother is reality tv...FACT.

However its less reality without live feed as we will be just watching a soap opera of what the producers put together for us.

You saying that BB is not reality tv is probs one of the most ridiculous statement ive seen on here only being beaten by a time some idiot posted that residents and families who live by the bb compound should move if they didnt like the noise lol....CLASSIC
I think you missed my point. Big Brother the original from series 1 to probably 4 was most likely as reality as you will get it. Throwing in wannabe fakes and freaks from our society and channel 4 focusing on just creating story lines is not really reality.

Even if they aren't scripted.

InOne
06-07-2011, 12:19 AM
Live feed keeps us nightowls sane

daniel-lewis-1985
06-07-2011, 12:21 AM
I think you missed my point. Big Brother the original from series 1 to probably 4 was most likely as reality as you will get it. Throwing in wannabe fakes and freaks from our society and channel 4 focusing on just creating story lines is not really reality.

Even if they aren't scripted.

No you are missing the point.

This thread is about axing the live feed so get back on topic.

keithafc
06-07-2011, 12:23 AM
No you are missing the point.

This thread is about axing the live feed so get back on topic.
You don't understand. Sadly.

I don't think much is to be said about this in all honesty. It is axed and not going to happen. Time to move on.

AJ.
06-07-2011, 12:46 AM
You don't understand. Sadly.

I don't think much is to be said about this in all honesty. It is axed and not going to happen. Time to move on.

Sadly you don't understand. "it's axed & time to move" from a bb fan? Even if you don't care about the LF personally you should surely be able to see that the show is almost certainly going to fail without it.

keithafc
06-07-2011, 12:51 AM
Sadly you don't understand. "it's axed & time to move" from a bb fan? Even if you don't care about the LF personally you should surely be able to see that the show is almost certainly going to fail without it.
The show could easily fail anyway deejay.Listen, i want it to do well but i am realistic to know that Channel 5 isn't the sort of channel which a lot of people watch. People can moan all they want about the live feed but what about the quality of housemate? Everyone forgets this, without quality housemates and a good blend, the show will fail anyway.

We are lucky to even be looking towards Big Brother coming back on our screens. TV stations like ITV or BBC would not touch it with a barge pole. The racism row in early 2007 killed the show to many stations and also to people who would of watched it up to that point.

LF might be important to some people and not to others but people forget the simple things in regards to this. Quality housemates and will it work on Channel 5 anyway?

AJ.
06-07-2011, 01:12 AM
The show could easily fail anyway deejay.Listen, i want it to do well but i am realistic to know that Channel 5 isn't the sort of channel which a lot of people watch. People can moan all they want about the live feed but what about the quality of housemate? Everyone forgets this, without quality housemates and a good blend, the show will fail anyway.

We are lucky to even be looking towards Big Brother coming back on our screens. TV stations like ITV or BBC would not touch it with a barge pole. The racism row in early 2007 killed the show to many stations and also to people who would of watched it up to that point.

LF might be important to some people and not to others but people forget the simple things in regards to this. Quality housemates and will it work on Channel 5 anyway?

I know, I expect it to fail even if there is LF but after spending £200M on a show why cut corners, turn 90% of the fans against you before you've even started & lose any chance you had of it being a success?

"People can moan all they want about the live feed but what about the quality of housemate?s?"
This thread is about LF, we haven't got any hm news to moan about & why should we have to choose between having LF vs decent hms :?

"LF might be important to some people and not to others but people forget the simple things in regards to this. Quality housemates and will it work on Channel 5 anyway?"
LF is important to every BB fan whether they even know it exists or not as BB will not exist without it even if you had the best hms ever, maybe on ITV but C5? No chance imo.

happybbfan
06-07-2011, 12:17 PM
Keep emailing C5 the sun daily star tweet @channel5bbuk and @peterdyke and @jtatam silence is not golden for BB fans so keep making their day too

happybbfan
06-07-2011, 02:12 PM
remember this one guys http://www.nma.co.uk/news/channel-5-to-create-online-hub-for-big-brother-and-syndicate-clips/3025670.article

michael21
06-07-2011, 02:14 PM
This is bad news :bored: we need live feed!

there will be live fees on channel5 channels :hugesmile:

DigitalSid
06-07-2011, 03:30 PM
Got a few e-mails back.

Jeff Ford says they haven't decided,
Peter Dyke says they have and will tell us soon,
Jessica Davies who wrote the NMA article says there will be a TV feed (I think she's assuming that because they usually do) but not an online feed.

BigBroSite
06-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Got a few e-mails back.

Jeff Ford says they haven't decided,
Peter Dyke says they have and will tell us soon,
Jessica Davies who wrote the NMA article says there will be a TV feed (I think she's assuming that because they usually do) but not an online feed.

Hmm quite positive. I'm also getting word that it could only be the on-line feed that's been axed.

So we might get the TV feed afterall!

DigitalSid
06-07-2011, 03:44 PM
Hmm quite positive. I'm also getting word that it could only be the on-line feed that's been axed.

So we might get the TV feed afterall!

I don't think we will if they haven't decided on the live feed and where it will be yet. BB starts in 6 weeks don't tv streams take about 2 months to set up?

CharlieO
06-07-2011, 03:45 PM
Damn I wanted live feed online

BigBroSite
06-07-2011, 03:46 PM
There will be a manned live stream anyway regardless. It all comes down to if Channel 5 decide it's worth broadcasting it.

g17m
06-07-2011, 03:49 PM
There will be a manned live stream anyway regardless. It all comes down to if Channel 5 decide it's worth broadcasting it.

i think theres a high chance they will, they paid £200million they are going to want to squeeze what they can out of it

michael21
06-07-2011, 03:58 PM
There will be a manned live stream anyway regardless. It all comes down to if Channel 5 decide it's worth broadcasting it.

live feed will be on 5* i sure channel 5 said this cant see there being no live tv feed we should get 24/7 live feed if all go to plan :hugesmile:

Jordan.
06-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Wish they would just hurry up and confirm whether it'll be back or not. All this waiting for news is putting people off.

Doogle
06-07-2011, 04:09 PM
I've decided this doesn't affect me because of my poor internet connection, so as long as they don't axe showing it on 5*/preferably red button if they have brain cells, it's fine by me.

DigitalSid
06-07-2011, 05:19 PM
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1499754

76% of fans on DS not watching now, I doubt I will either.

emmetmcl
06-07-2011, 06:30 PM
I can't see it being broadcast on TV if it isn't even being broadcast online.

Surely it's much cheaper to broadcast online (where they can also make money from it by subscriptions and possibly ads on the stream peage) than to broadcast it on TV?

daniel-lewis-1985
06-07-2011, 06:46 PM
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1499754

76% of fans on DS not watching now, I doubt I will either.

Whatever!

These fans will watch BB regardless.

Including yourself.

emmetmcl
06-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Whatever!

These fans will watch BB regardless.

Including yourself.

And I'd hardly say 140 people, the majority of which always watch the live feed is an acceptable sample of the entire BB viewing public.

RichardG
06-07-2011, 06:50 PM
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1499754

76% of fans on DS not watching now, I doubt I will either.

They're all going to watch it, they're just angry at the moment.

Captain.Remy
06-07-2011, 07:00 PM
I really couldn't care less to be honest. It's already a flop anyway.

I can already say that BB USA > the Only Way is Essex >>>>>> the new BB UK.

keithafc
06-07-2011, 09:06 PM
I really couldn't care less to be honest. It's already a flop anyway.

I can already say that BB USA > the Only Way is Essex >>>>>> the new BB UK.
The majority of us here don't care about the United States or even its show. So why post that?

DigitalSid
06-07-2011, 09:45 PM
Whatever!

These fans will watch BB regardless.

Including yourself.

No they won't, DS was dead compared to other series during CBB6 and BB10 and most of those who said they wouldn't watch didn't watch.

daniel-lewis-1985
06-07-2011, 10:14 PM
No they won't, DS was dead compared to other series during CBB6 and BB10 and most of those who said they wouldn't watch didn't watch.

And you have proof they didnt watch? Actual video evidence they were elsewhere when those episodes were airing? :rolleyes:

People say they wont watch to be dramatic but they all fkucking do lol

We all watch it regardless

AJ.
06-07-2011, 10:27 PM
And you have proof they didnt watch? Actual video evidence they were elsewhere when those episodes were airing? :rolleyes:

People say they wont watch to be dramatic but they all fkucking do lol

We all watch it regardless

I doubt I will after launch if there isnt lf, I didn't watch BB10.

Mac Hiavellian
06-07-2011, 10:35 PM
I doubt I will after launch if there isnt lf, I didn't watch BB10.

To be fair BB10 also had a sh!t house, barely had a house tour, the twist wasn't great and the HMs seemed like typical wacky HMs but moreso left-overs from previous years.

As annoyed as I am about the LF and think it rmeinds me of CBB6/BB10 I hope CBB8/BB12 can manage to do somethign right on launch

Beastie
06-07-2011, 10:39 PM
No they won't, DS was dead compared to other series during CBB6 and BB10 and most of those who said they wouldn't watch didn't watch.

DS is dead now. Their Big Brother section is a bit poor.

Beastie
06-07-2011, 10:41 PM
Anyway the majority of DS said they WON'T watch if there is no live feed.

Hence.. BRING 24 7 LIVE FEED.

Are channel 5 that stupid?? It's BIG BROTHER. We are meant to see what's happening 24 7!! Don't even mind if they charge for 24 7 live feed again. Like 20 quid for the entire CBB and normal BB series?? Anything more than that would be unfair!

Bubba
06-07-2011, 10:47 PM
Anyway the majority of DS said they WON'T watch if there is no live feed.

Hence.. BRING 24 7 LIVE FEED.

Are channel 5 that stupid?? It's BIG BROTHER. We are meant to see what's happening 24 7!! Don't even mind if they charge for 24 7 live feed again. Like 20 quid for the entire CBB and normal BB series?? Anything more than that would be unfair!

Totally agree with this. :xyxwave: Think of the money they will loose from no LF. Not to mention the viewers and fans.

DigitalSid
07-07-2011, 01:28 AM
DS is dead now.
The show's not on and DS posters are more annoyed about the live feed axing than on here.

Their Big Brother section is a bit poor.

DS:BB is the largest and the most popular big brother site in the world :D.

DigitalSid
07-07-2011, 01:36 AM
And you have proof they didnt watch? Actual video evidence they were elsewhere when those episodes were airing? :rolleyes:

Do you have a video of them watching? Most of those who said they wouldn't watch didn't post that year and those that did only posted in the bring back live feed threads.

Patrick
07-07-2011, 01:37 AM
I have to agree with Sid, as much as I hate DS I can imagine they're much more angry and taking a stand against no Live Feed where as typical TiBB just post a few 'Oh that sucks' messages, most the members just decide 'Meh Live Feed was pointless anyway' and take it lieing down like pussies.


We should be taking a stand, we should be mailing Channel 5; like I have done - and Endemol and making them aware of the mistake they've made, we should be making ourselves heard.


But only about 4 People on here care.

That's TiBB for you.

DigitalSid
07-07-2011, 01:42 AM
I have to agree with Sid, as much as I hate DS I can imagine they're much more angry and taking a stand against no Live Feed where as typical TiBB just post a few 'Oh that sucks' messages, most the members just decide 'Meh Live Feed was pointless anyway' and take it lieing down like pussies.


We should be taking a stand, we should be mailing Channel 5; like I have done - and Endemol and making them aware of the mistake they've made, we should be making ourselves heard.


But only about 4 People on here care.

That's TiBB for you.

It annoys me too, I like TIBB but posters who just accept what C4 or C5 give them don't help. It's mostly the posters who've only watched 2 or 3 series and don't get why people who have been watching for 11 years and remember the show when it was good but have carried on watching get pissed off at being ignored to save money.

Most DS posters have been watching since the start so it annoys us more and we're more vocal.

BBDodge
07-07-2011, 07:19 AM
We're grumpy old men & women at DS.

starry
07-07-2011, 08:54 AM
Every Big Brother in the world seems to have had a live stream, it is what makes it Big Brother. It's about giving people the option of watching HMs when they want, so you can make up your own mind about them. They might not even have the cameras running all the time if there isn't a live stream and just run it when there is an event set up for the HLs.

I think this is because they just want more control over it, and to stop any possibility of unpredictability or controversy. But by doing that they could just make the show less real, not good for a show meant to be about reality.

ElProximo
07-07-2011, 10:17 AM
It is a fundamental premise of Big Brother. This is something we thought 5 was going to aim for.
What I find interesting is the need to remove them. What is this need to remove LFs and really think about that.
That's what you need to find a way to stop? Because... there aren't other things to worry about?
Is it because you can't stand the idea someone is somehow getting something?

But yeah, that wont go well for them.

serensilver
07-07-2011, 02:12 PM
http://www.insidebigbrother.net/news/0707/the-live-feed-dilemma.ibb

this was posted an hour ago on twitter

Jordan.
08-07-2011, 10:54 AM
The show's not on and DS posters are more annoyed about the live feed axing than on here.



DS:BB is the largest and the most popular big brother site in the world :D.

Eh? All they talk about is John James and Josie, the BB section is **** on there.

As if all them that voted in that poll really wont watch still :rolleyes:

DigitalSid
08-07-2011, 12:28 PM
Eh?
DS is the 3rd biggest forum in the world:
http://www.big-boards.com/highlight/329/traffic/

And it's BB section is the most visited BB site.

All they talk about is John James and Josie, the BB section is **** on there.
No we don't. The Josie and John James threads have only 1 or 2 regular DS posters in them, the other 10 or so people who post in them joined to talk about them and don't post in regular threads.

As if all them that voted in that poll really wont watch still :rolleyes:

Some of them will watch but most of them won't, most of them won't, they didn't last time.

Tony1111
08-07-2011, 12:35 PM
http://www.insidebigbrother.net/news/0707/the-live-feed-dilemma.ibb

this was posted an hour ago on twitter

The third opton was good but it is far from the original red button and 5* multi room coverage we were said to get at the start. :(

The_Big_Send_Off
08-07-2011, 02:02 PM
http://twitition.com/8ogon

SIGN IT! 186 signed already :)

JohnnyBB
08-07-2011, 02:33 PM
All the information you need is here.
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178499
:)

seanraff07
08-07-2011, 02:37 PM
I would if I could remember my Twitter password :(

happybbfan
08-07-2011, 03:55 PM
complain about live feed here http://www.facebook.com/BigBrotherUK?sk=wall

happybbfan
09-07-2011, 03:17 PM
Channel5 are aware of the anger from fans about live feed and willl be in meetings,continue to email them twitter and leave comments here http://www.facebook.com/BigBrotherUK/posts/179713495421212

emmetmcl
09-07-2011, 06:06 PM
Want an easy way to contact Channel 5?

Go to http://bit.ly/contact5 (http://bit.ly/contact5)(www.keeplivefeed.co.nr) and simply fill in your name and e-mail address and enter a message (you can even copy and paste a standard one if you want) and click "Send." It will then be sent directly to Channel 5.

I thought this would be easier than having to open your own account, copying and pasting the e-mail addresses and having to create your own message.

The e-mail sends to customerservices@channel5.com and peter.dyke@dailystar.co.uk

DigitalSid
12-07-2011, 04:03 PM
Channel5 are aware of the anger from fans about live feed and willl be in meetings,continue to email them twitter and leave comments here http://www.facebook.com/BigBrotherUK/posts/179713495421212

Vote for BRING BACK 24/7 LIVE FEED! in the presenter poll.

daniel-lewis-1985
12-07-2011, 04:25 PM
Want an easy way to contact Channel 5?

Go to http://bit.ly/contact5 (http://bit.ly/contact5)(www.keeplivefeed.co.nr) and simply fill in your name and e-mail address and enter a message (you can even copy and paste a standard one if you want) and click "Send." It will then be sent directly to Channel 5.

I thought this would be easier than having to open your own account, copying and pasting the e-mail addresses and having to create your own message.

The e-mail sends to customerservices@channel5.com and peter.dyke@dailystar.co.uk

Only 148 people have actually e-mailed them

BigBrotherfan4ever
12-07-2011, 04:44 PM
Im one of those people who have emailed them.

DigitalSid
12-07-2011, 06:45 PM
Only 148 people have actually e-mailed them

148 tracked through that page yeah, though that's actually a decent amount it's only been posted in 1 thread on here and 1 on DS, and has only been posted here for 3 days.

happybbfan
13-07-2011, 09:19 AM
http://www.worldtvpc.com/blog/big-brother-not-watching-all-the-time/

daniel-lewis-1985
13-07-2011, 11:37 AM
http://www.worldtvpc.com/blog/big-brother-not-watching-all-the-time/

That title seems really unprofessional.

It should be just..Big brother is not watching.


Did you write it?

JohnnyBB
13-07-2011, 11:41 AM
I have A feeling Live Evictions Have been Axed.

happybbfan
13-07-2011, 11:43 AM
They may as well just write a book for us and tell what happened in the house

daniel-lewis-1985
13-07-2011, 11:51 AM
I have A feeling Live Evictions Have been Axed.

You're just being stupid now

BigBrotherfan4ever
13-07-2011, 12:04 PM
They may as well just write a book for us and tell what happened in the house

Totally agree with you.:hugesmile:

JohnnyBB
13-07-2011, 01:09 PM
You're just being stupid now

i really do feel like theyve been axed, were the hells the live eviction studio going to be? workshop 1 is allready full with the bblb studio and the task production bit tooo unless bblb is not going to be located anywere near elstree and bblb will be recorded in a studio in london?

happybbfan
13-07-2011, 01:13 PM
They will hold the eviction interviews outside

joeysteele
13-07-2011, 01:22 PM
I ,with all this speculation going on as to this going, this not being done have decided I will wait for the full announcement of BB on Channel 5 and see what the format of the series wil be when it starts.

I have a feeling it will be more like how BB was nearer the start of its time on Channel 4, maybe trimmed down here and there but still likely to be a success.

I personally cannot see them getting rid of a main part of the series as in 'live' evictions though.

daniel-lewis-1985
13-07-2011, 01:36 PM
i really do feel like theyve been axed, were the hells the live eviction studio going to be? workshop 1 is allready full with the bblb studio and the task production bit tooo unless bblb is not going to be located anywere near elstree and bblb will be recorded in a studio in london?

Number 1 there are 2 workshops.

Number 2 no set is permanent and the fixtures and fittings can be changed to inhabit both eviction interviews and bblb.

Number 3 you have n proof that bblb will infact be in workshop 1 anyway

Remember where BBBM was filmed last year apparently thats still available so there are 3 studios.

Just stop being so negative as there is plenty of room for Both BBLB and the eviction studio they onlu house a small space.

JohnnyBB
13-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Just stop being so negative as there is plenty of room for Both BBLB and the eviction studio they onlu house a small space.

K.:blush:

daniel-lewis-1985
13-07-2011, 01:44 PM
K.:blush:

Just chin up and think positive lol

happybbfan
14-07-2011, 06:36 PM
Leave your comments about live feed for BB here http://www.channel5.com/articles/big-brother-comes-to-channel-5

BigBrotherfan4ever
14-07-2011, 07:06 PM
Leave your comments about live feed for BB here http://www.channel5.com/articles/big-brother-comes-to-channel-5

I can read the comments, but cant see a place to leave a comment.:conf:

happybbfan
14-07-2011, 07:08 PM
I can read the comments, but cant see a place to leave a comment.:conf:

Scroll down to bottom of page then

BigBrotherfan4ever
14-07-2011, 07:16 PM
Scroll down to bottom of page then

Thanks, left comment.