The show has to evolve. It's 2011.

[iRyan]

Alot of people are complaining that they want the show to be back to basics and a social experiement like it was, but the truth is, it's not 2000 anymore it's 2011 and the 12th series. The show needs to evolve. The same concept can't be used over and over and over again without evolving. Nobody sees the show as a 'social experiment' and 'a view into a house' anymore because the show has already been there and done that, that concept isn't fresh to people anymore.

There probably WILL be a new style of adding, and you just have to accept it and roll with it. If you wanna watch a simple social experiment again watch BB1. Of course the fans love the show how they are used to it, they don't always like change, but in order to pull in casual viewers and new viewers you need to keep things fresh.

[LaLaLand]

I have to agree. As much as I preferred BB in the first few series, you're spot on.

[Glenn.]

12th series you mean?

But yes I agree with you completely.

If Doctor Who fans thought like this, the show would of been dead decades ago.

[Jords]

100% behind you with this!

[Mystic Mock]

But why get rid of live feed? I would much prefer a 13 week runned series than no live feed at all,as live feed tells you the true story of whoes in the right between any divides in the house.

[Maia]

It can evolve without having to be cheesed up with American soap opera music.

[iRyan]

12th series you mean?

But yes I agree with you completely.

If Doctor Who fans thought like this, the show would of been dead decades ago.

Ah, dumb mistake of me. I just get it confused sometimes because I think 2011=BB11.

It's time to create NEW magic, not recreate the old magic.

[CharlieO]

Don't agree at all.

It does need to evolve but not in some cheap childish gimmicky way. Going back to basics would be a good twist anyway these days when we have had 7 years of nonbasic BB living.

I totally agree with Mollie.

[Stu]

It can evolve without having to be cheesed up with American soap opera music.
^

[iRyan]

But why get rid of live feed? I would much prefer a 13 week runned series than no live feed at all,as live feed tells you the true story of whoes in the right between any divides in the house.

I don't discount that, I agree there should be a live feed because even BBUSA which is edited to death has a live feed. But it's probably because BB is airing in the fall this time not in the summer so the feed probably won't get as much views since people have school and work.

[CharlieO]

Ah, dumb mistake of me. I just get it confused sometimes because I think 2011=BB11.

It's time to create NEW magic, not recreate the old magic.

I'd rather they copy the old BB than recreate BB10/11 again.

[iRyan]

It can evolve without having to be cheesed up with American soap opera music.

Who says it's gonna be like that though? We don't know yet.

[iRyan]

I'd rather they copy the old BB than recreate BB10/11 again.

Notice how I said CREATE not recreate......

BB11 was **** but the production was flawless. It's the casting that was horrible.

[Glenn.]

Music just adds that little extra humor where needed. The Save and Replace tasks last year where actually hilarious with music added to them.

Like I said in the other thread, people seem to be nitpicking over stupid trivial stuff.

Is it that bad. A bit of music playing?

People should think themselves lucky another series of BB starts in less than 3 days, not crying because the producers want to pull the series into a new generation.

Or would you rather there was no BB at all?

[iRyan]

Music just adds that little extra humor where needed. The Save and Replace tasks last year where actually hilarious with music added to them.

Like I said in the other thread, people seem to be nitpicking over stupid trivial stuff.

Is it that bad. A bit of music playing?

People should think themselves lucky another series of BB starts in less than 3 days, not crying because the producers want to pull the series into a new generation.

Or would you rather there was no BB at all?

Agreed. Bits of the show can seem flat and boring and a bit of music would add emotion to it.

[RichardG]

So long as they don't play James Blunt music when someone is sad and they don't play the Benny Hill theme when someone is running around the house then i'm not bothered.

[CharlieO]

Notice how I said CREATE not recreate......

BB11 was **** but the production was flawless. It's the casting that was horrible.

In my eyes the production was not flawless it was far too overdone and gimmicky. I hated all the music and 'coming up' parts.

Music just adds that little extra humor where needed. The Save and Replace tasks last year where actually hilarious with music added to them.

Like I said in the other thread, people seem to be nitpicking over stupid trivial stuff.

Is it that bad. A bit of music playing?

People should think themselves lucky another series of BB starts in less than 3 days, not crying because the producers want to pull the series into a new generation.

Or would you rather there was no BB at all?

Exactly. Why should we need music added to have humour. We need housemates to create genuine humour. The fact they have to waste sections of the minimal 45 min show for scenes where they have to add effects/music to make it at all interesting is ridiculous. Looks at BB5-7 which had none of these but were FAR more interesting than BB11.

[iRyan]

So long as they don't play James Blunt music when someone is sad and they don't play the Benny Hill theme when someone is running around the house then i'm not bothered.

I do agree with this. But I don't think they will be that dramatic.

[InOne]

I HATED the music bits. That better not be happening :nono: Also the way they edited the parties with music and stuff :bored:

[Marsh.]

I don't know how anyone likes the music and edited gimmicks used last year. It completely negates the "reality" aspect of the show. Yes, it can evolve but I still like it feeling real and not like watching a scripted drama/comedy.

[Stu]

Can we please introduce a rule that instantly bans the next piss who poses an argument that goes along the lines of 'Well who are you to share your opinion on this element of the show you don't like? YOU SHOULD BE JUST HAPPY IT'S BACK'.

I'm on my hands and knees begging you, James. It's been going on for weeks and weeks now and it's dreadfully tedious.

[Callum]

In my eyes the production was not flawless it was far too overdone and gimmicky. I hated all the music and 'coming up' parts.


Agreed. The production for BB11 was horrendous and tacky. I can't believe people thought it was "flawless".

[CharlieO]

Can we please introduce a rule that instantly bans the next piss who poses an argument that goes along the lines of 'Well who are you to share your opinion on this element of the show you don't like? YOU SHOULD BE JUST HAPPY IT'S BACK'.

I'm on my hands and knees begging you, James. It's been going on for weeks and weeks now and it's dreadfully tedious.

Agreed.

[Glenn.]

:rolleyes:

[Doogle]

The music was good, I agree, but I don't like it on BB.

[Patrick]

I don't discount that, I agree there should be a live feed because even BBUSA which is edited to death has a live feed. But it's probably because BB is airing in the fall this time not in the summer so the feed probably won't get as much views since people have school and work.

Exactly.

It can evolve without having to be cheesed up with American soap opera music.

Well Said.

[Marsh.]

People work in the summer too. lol
We don't all skive off for three months.

[Patrick]

Notice how I said CREATE not recreate......

BB11 was **** but the production was flawless. It's the casting that was horrible.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

It can and will still be able to evolve from taking it back to the great idea it is and learning again the best elements from the earlier series, then with refreshed and new ideas it can then evolve to something far more entertaining for many years to come.

[iRyan]

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

Okay maybe flawless is an overstatement but I thought for the most part it was pretty well done.

[Marsh.]

BBUSA fan. Say no more.

[Patrick]

Agreed. Bits of the show can seem flat and boring and a bit of music would add emotion to it.

It's a reality show dude, there's no need to ******ing add Benny Hill over a task every week or have the Super Mario Theme or whatever playing when someone is crawling in the grass etc

Sorry but having some silly old tune playing over last year's Super Hero task did not send anyone into bursts of laughter - having some one liners come out of Corin and John James was alright without having tunes played over it.

Same goes for Evictions.

We do not ******ing need 'Hips Don't Lie', 'Who Let The Dogs Out' or some Example song blasted over every eviction - it does not create atmosphere it kills it, it's not reaching out to a new generation - who are they trying to attract by playing Dizzee Rascal's Holiday over an Eviction? The best chavs Britain has to offer?


I agree the show needs to evolve, but it can do that and stay away from music.

The only time music should be played on BB is:

1. The VTs/Best Bits
2. The Alarm
3. A Party

[mymidas]

I tend to agree that the show has to evolve and has to attract the younger teen and early twenties audience. Shame it has to be dumbed down so much but thats just the way things are now thinking for yourself and making youre own mind up is not encouraged much better if people just take what is spoon fed to them easier to control. As last week proved it doesnt work but we are where we are.

[LaLaLand]

The only time music should be played on BB is:

1. The VTs/Best Bits
2. The Alarm
3. A Party

Very true, I agree.

[Patrick]

Okay maybe flawless is an overstatement but I thought for the most part it was pretty well done.

I think they definitely stepped up their game from 2009 - what a train wreck.

It's like the producers fell asleep that Summer and woke up again once they heard it was the final series.

But they went over kill.

They sent the housemates out to the crowd to sing or dance or something every week because when Ben did it for the first time - it was funny, so they played on that and it got boring.

They basically ignored the other housemates at one point and just showed Josie and John and Ben for the majority of the Highlights and Live Feed was always on them two bastards.

Then of course we have Phil Edgar Cock - who ruined the best final we could of had in the history of the show.

Sam, Corin, Josie and John would of been a great and unpredictable final - but no.
PEJ had to make a quadruple eviction a vote to save and kill the whole series in one night.

And then we have of course the gimmicky launch - and the horrible housemates that they picked from a pretty awesome short list. :bored:

The producers ruined BB11 - but then the horrible housemates didn't help much either.

[Bruvva]

The show needs to go back to it's BB5-BB7 days.

[Marsh.]

To be fair to "Phil Edgar Cock" the fans (on this forum especially) were always screaming about votes to save. Then when he does it, he's slated.

That just proves my own opinion that it's whatever voting system you feel serves your favourites the best. People bang on about fair and more effective voting yet they're game for any way of voting as long as it saves their favourites.

[Patrick]

The show needs to go back to it's BB5-BB7 days.

Thanks for the news flash Captain Obvious.

It can do that yeah, the golden days were awesome - but it can evolve too, it can't stay the same forever.

And any hope of the show going back to the 'Golden Years' of 2004 - 2006, was killed today when Live Feed was axed.

Maybe next year. :love:

[Bruvva]

Thanks for the news flash Captain Obvious.

It can do that yeah, the golden days were awesome - but it can evolve too, it can't stay the same forever.

And any hope of the show going back to the 'Golden Years' of 2004 - 2006, was killed today when Live Feed was axed.

Maybe next year. :love:
You're welcome.

[Patrick]

To be fair to "Phil Edgar Cock" the fans (on this forum especially) were always screaming about votes to save. Then when he does it, he's slated.

That just proves my own opinion that it's whatever voting system you feel serves your favourites the best. People bang on about fair and more effective voting yet they're game for any way of voting as long as it saves their favourites.

What are you on about?

He never did.
That's what killed the final. :bored:

If he had of made it a vote to save on his stupid quadruple eviction, I promise you now that:

JJ, Steve, Mario and Andrew would of been evicted that night and Dave, Josie, Corin, Sam and John James would of been in the final.

[Beastie]

**** the teeny boppers. It should be an ADULT show. From BB1 to BB6 I would say it was aimed as an ADULTS show. They should't even put a teeny bopper in as a housemate unless they are quite mature and have a strong head on their shoulders. Like Cairon BB10. He seemed a bit older than 18.

[Marsh.]

What are you on about?

He never did.
That's what killed the final. :bored:

If he had of made it a vote to save on his stupid quadruple eviction, I promise you now that:

JJ, Steve, Mario and Andrew would of been evicted that night and Dave, Josie, Corin, Sam and John James would of been in the final.

PEJ had to make a quadruple eviction a vote to save and kill the whole series in one night.

What are you on about?

[Iceman]

**** the teeny boppers. It should be an ADULT show. From BB1 to BB6 I would say it was aimed as an ADULTS show. They should't even put a teeny bopper in as a housemate unless they are quite mature and have a strong head on their shoulders. Like Cairon BB10. He seemed a bit older than 18.

This.

[InOne]

I've got a feeling that they will lure us into a false hope with the Celeb one and make it pretty decent. Then when the normal one comes it will turn it Only Way Is Essex, highly edited pure cringey trash.

[Patrick]

**** the teeny boppers. It should be an ADULT show. From BB1 to BB6 I would say it was aimed as an ADULTS show. They should't even put a teeny bopper in as a housemate unless they are quite mature and have a strong head on their shoulders. Like Cairon BB10. He seemed a bit older than 18.

Facepalm.

They're aiming the show at a new generation Beastie, that doesn't mean they can't still have Sex and do what they did in BB5/BB6.

It's not as if British Teens haven't seen worst these days, let's not try and act all high and mighty now.

[Ramsay]

What are you on about?

Dave, Josie, Corin, Sam and John James would of been in the final.

And what a final that would of been

[Wildcat!]

Its still gonna be an adult show. BUt they will probably dramatize the editing a little bit more. It doesnt mean that people will be acting, its just gonna be edited in such a way. Lets face it, the old BB fans, are gone, BB barely had any viewers. The die hard fans wont like it, but the people who like shows like Jersey shore, the hills etc, will probably like this type of format, and it might get more viewers.

[Jordan.]

But theres a difference in it evolving and turning it into some staged ****ty show that is far away from the whole concept of the orginal BB.

The old concept worked so well, BB only failed when they tried messing with it. This was a chance to take it back. :bored:

[keithafc]

If you all think it will fail, why the sigs? Why the backing it? You know they are going to change a lot of things with it. It isn't reality like some of you say anyway.

[Jordan.]

If you all think it will fail, why the sigs? Why the backing it? You know they are going to change a lot of things with it. It isn't reality like some of you say anyway.

They told us they'd take it back to basics..... What they're really doing is taking BB11 and times the ****ty cheesy stuff by 10 :bored:

My excitement has plummeted in pretty much the last hour.

[keithafc]

They told us they'd take it back to basics..... What they're really doing is taking BB11 and times the ****ty cheesy stuff by 10 :bored:

My excitement has plummeted in pretty much the last hour.
Really? I don't think you could have believed that. The same concept was putting people off though.

[BBDodge]

Its still gonna be an adult show. BUt they will probably dramatize the editing a little bit more. It doesnt mean that people will be acting, its just gonna be edited in such a way. Lets face it, the old BB fans, are gone, BB barely had any viewers. The die hard fans wont like it, but the people who like shows like Jersey shore, the hills etc, will probably like this type of format, and it might get more viewers.

The old BB fans are still here!

Surely 5 would want to inherit the 3 millions who watched BB11 (not exactly "barely had any viewers"). That would be a success for them. Taking steps to appeal to new fans should not be at the expense of those who have stuck with it from day 1. Otherwise they might just as well have come up with a brand new format with no baggage from a previous broadcaster.