Big Brother overhaul targets casual viewersThere will be no 24 hour live online feed

[michael21]

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/big-brother-overhaul-targets-casual-viewers/5030895.article

Big Brother will be made more experimental and Endemol will aim to pull in more casual viewers as part of the show’s response to the emerence of structured reality.

The super-indie has used BB’s shift to Channel 5 to examine all elements of the long-running reality show and, while the “sacrosanct” format will remain unchanged, the production techiques will evolve.

Executive producer Gavin Henderson said the show will adopt techniques from the emerging crop of reality TV shows to ensure the show feels current.

“Big Brother does what it does extremely well but it isn’t a TOWIE or a Made In Chelsea,” he said. “But the humour, the awareness of the manipulation that the viewers have of those shows, as well as their use of music are things we need to note.”

He added that reality TV audiences will no longer tolerate the combination of a long, wide shot coupled with a slow actuality sequence, for example.

The way in which the show is framed will also evolve in order to make it easier for viewers to dip in and out of and extend its appeal beyond its hardcore fans.

“The combination of relying on actuality in real time and an analytical voiceover with date stamps made it quite a loyal watch and not the kind of thing a casual viewer would be invited to come to,” Henderson said.

“But by cutting it differently, adjusting the pace and adding more signposting gives people permission not to have to watch it for three months religiously. We will jump into scenes later, signpost more and use music beds where appropriate.”

Henderson added that BB will be given a “lightness of touch” not seen during its ten year run on Channel 4 to better reflect the demands of its new broadcaster.

“There is a perfect synthesis between the values that C5 has as a commercial channel and its outlook in terms of what its want from the show,” he said. “What Big Brother needs is the ability to enjoy itself without worrying too much about any ramifications that ultimately tie you in knots.”

Around 70% of the crew working on the latest series have previously worked on the format, which has given Endemol the confidence to make the changes.

“Big Brother is a massive machine that allows you to make a programme faster than you can think. But the problem with that machine is it will produce the same show again and again,” Henderson said. “The key is to have the right people with the intelligence and experience to say if we make a tweak, this will happen as a consequence, but the show will be better as a result.”

Henderson recognised that not all fans will appreciate the changes but said he was hopeful it will be seen as a “positive evolution.”

Mobile highlights

There will be no 24 hour live online feed of the events in the Big Brother house this year and video highlight clips will be available via mobile instead.

Henderson said the decision was taken because it “felt more appropriate” to allow people to interact and vote with the show using their phones.

Endemol chief executive Tim Hincks added it remained a unique digital proposition for broadcasters.

“Whereas before it was all about live streaming, now it’s about how viewers engage with it via social media,” Hincks said.

He added that each summer the show amasses an “extraordinary following” online and, after ten years, no other show shares its potential to be both a digital and TV proposition.

Hincks said that while rival reality shows such as The X Factor see huge amounts of online engagement, its live run was shorter than Big Brother’s.

[Chuck]

"via mobile instead"

as if that's a fair replacement. :bored:

[Callum]

This is just sad. All excitement I had for this series has gone.

[Patrick]

'It seemed more appropriate not to have Live Feed to allow viewers to vote on their mobile phones instead'

No you cock, you mean it seemed more appropriate not to have live feed to allow you ******ing bastards to manipulate the show and turn it into a fake soap opera - you know what? ****** You!

This is horrible, I hope it ******ing fails on them now. :idc:

[InOne]

It does sound awful and exactly like BB11, maybe even worse :/

[Jarrod]

Fail much...?

[Maia]

Awful.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

"via mobile instead"

as if that's a fair replacement. :bored:

Totally agree, so if you've not got the right type of phone, you cant get involved, totally gutted about this .:bawling::bawling:

[Chuck]

I hope it ******ing fails on them now. :idc:

yeah I'm sure you do.

[keithafc]

Calm down. It will be like BB9.

[Ryan.]

Hmm it all sounds so different, but maybe this is what BB need to do to survive. I for one am gonna give it a chance!!

Who's with me??

[starry]

It sounds like CH5 are a bit full of themselves to think they can turn a show that has been going for 10 years into something that is quite different.

If they don't have any proper internet coverage they really are idiots.

[You_Tell_Me]

Big Brother seems like one of those shows that wouldn't attract many new viewers. Outside of the current fanbase people think the Big Brother brand is tired trash and wouldn't bother with it. By doing this soap opera crap all they are doing is making fans want to switch off. It's a shame because up until now they've generally got everything perfect. But now this seems to have killed everyones excitement. It seems all they are doing is trying to attract new fans but in exchange for losing the older ones. But I'll give it a go and hope I'm wrong and the show is not as trashy as they are making it sound. Fingers crossed! :)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

So are there no facebook updates or online vids then?????

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

If they don't have any proper internet coverage they really are idiots.

This, i've just lost all my excitement for the show:mad::rolleyes::bawling:

[happybbfan]

So are there no facebook updates or online vids then?????

yes i noticed that too.i want to know when this interview/article was done with endomol and channel 5 too.

[Ryan.]

Also this hasn't told us anything worse than we already knew. It just means there will be "previously on BB" and coming up as well as the music and storyline flashbacks.

We need to enter the new generation to compete with TOWIE and tbh it will never be as bad as we all like to make it out to be.

[Chuck]

Also this hasn't told us anything worse than we already knew.

This. :idc:

[michael21]

and there no live feed on any of channel 5 stations :bawling:

[JohnnyBB]

ill watch launch night then ill just try and carrying on as much as i can but im really going to suffer watching the normal housemates.

[billy123]

Dumbed down for jeremy kyle type spastics :(
I will watch the launch but they are going to have to be impressive to keep me interested now i havent missed a single highlight show since it began but im pretty ****ed off with what there doing im not sure i can be arsed with it anymore :bawling::bawling:

[starry]

Also this hasn't told us anything worse than we already knew. It just means there will be "previously on BB" and coming up as well as the music and storyline flashbacks.

We need to enter the new generation to compete with TOWIE and tbh it will never be as bad as we all like to make it out to be.

It has it's own niche and doesn't have to compete with the trashier reality shows.

[SillyTilly]

Its a shame that there is no live feed but I don't think its the end of the world. I just hope that there website keeps us up to date and has plenty of videos on it.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Just embrace it

[oathbreaker]

I find it so Ironic they talk about the Casual Viewers.Who lets be honest wont think twice about watching something else.

It was the loyal Fans kept the show sinking well below the 1 million mark in BB10.
IMO this has Epic Fail written all over it.but does prove one point Endemol are 100% to blame for all this Is anyone really shocked though?

We had the feed back last year only for 3-4 hours at a time of Josie gibson becoming one with the duvet.chances are endemol already know who they want to win BB12 and will edit that person in a manner to make sure that win is seen.God help the poor sods who still vote for this ???

If figures are low enough expect either a massive Midseries reboot (like they did with BB germany).tbh im glad I said goodbye to Bigbrother last year its a no brainer for me now.Torchwood it is and for me to say that......I dont like trashy soaps never have and sadly BB has just become another trashy Soap.:(

[Mystic Mock]

Hmm it all sounds so different, but maybe this is what BB need to do to survive. I for one am gonna give it a chance!!

Who's with me??

I will give it chance but I dont like the sound of some of the changes.

[Vicky.]

Not very happy tbh :/

[BBDodge]

We need to enter the new generation to compete with TOWIE and tbh it will never be as bad as we all like to make it out to be.


So TOWIE fans get another show to watch and BB fans are left with nothing.

Like TV in general we end up with schedules full of copycat shows all aimed at the lowest common denominator viewer.

[BBDodge]

I will give it chance but I dont like the sound of some of the changes.

What if Jedward aren't in it!

[georgehudson]

People on here saying "lost all excitement for the show now" and "hope it fails on them now" are just being dramatic. And I don't know how they can call theirselves true Big Brother fans. This has dissapointed me, however I still think that the series is going to be great.

I wish some people would just stop moaning and shut the ***** up! :rolleyes:

[Stu]

I'm not sure how changing Big Brother's unique production style to a generic modern one is going to attract new viewers. With a production style like every other reality show out there Big Brother will be exposed for the large amount of non event that it actually is.

I'm not knocking the show but it's previous production style made the whole sitting around thing charming and made it incredibly meaningful and exciting when something did happen. Now my line of thinking is ... well I can just go and watch Jersey Shore. Same production style but with better characters and more than happens in ten minutes than on three months of Big Brother.

Celebrity might rate if they get the right names but Big Brother 12 is already in the toilet. Someone just needs to flush it.

[Patricia4]

It is sad that there isnt any live feed but Im looking forward to it.

[Matt]

And I don't know how they can call theirselves true Big Brother fans.

True Big Brother fans know the importance of the live feed.

And this is basically a slap in the face to hardcore viewers – what they’re essentially saying is that they’d rather risk losing loyal fans to attract new ones. Why shouldn't they be pissed off?

[Callum]

People on here saying "lost all excitement for the show now" and "hope it fails on them now" are just being dramatic. And I don't know how they can call theirselves true Big Brother fans. This has dissapointed me, however I still think that the series is going to be great.

I wish some people would just stop moaning and shut the ***** up! :rolleyes:

Actually I'm not being dramatic and I am a true Big Brother fan, so who are you to say otherwise? Fed up of this whole "we've got BB back, just appreciate it" attitude, not everyone is going to be happy with these changes and you need to accept that.

[georgehudson]

True Big Brother fans know the importance of the live feed.

And this is basically a slap in the face to hardcore viewers – what they’re essentially saying is that they’d rather risk losing loyal fans to attract new ones. Why shouldn't they be pissed off?

I know exactly how important it is, and yes they have a right to be pissed off, so am I! What I'm saying is... Saying they've lost all excitement for the show and that they hope it fails means they don't want it that badley. This is because if it does fail the contract won't be renewed and we won't have it at all. :xyxwave:

[Mystic Mock]

What if Jedward aren't in it!

I will still give it chance as ive watched Big Brother long before I saw Jedward on X Factor.

[georgehudson]

Actually I'm not being dramatic and I am a true Big Brother fan, so who are you to say otherwise? Fed up of this whole "we've got BB back, just appreciate it" attitude, not everyone is going to be happy with these changes and you need to accept that.

Completly know and agree with that, but you are being dramatic and just rather annoying. :xyxwave:

[Matt]

What I'm saying is... Saying they've lost all excitement for the show and that they hope it fails means they don't want it that badley. This is because if it does fail the contract won't be renewed and we won't have it at all. :xyxwave:

But why should hardcore fans want the show back and support it when Endemol is willing to alienate them so they can cater for newer fans? There's no reason they can't have a live feed and mobile video clips.

[michael21]

live feed is what make Big Brother stand out from all the other shows

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

True Big Brother fans know the importance of the live feed.

And this is basically a slap in the face to hardcore viewers – what they’re essentially saying is that they’d rather risk losing loyal fans to attract new ones. Why shouldn't they be pissed off?

100% agree with you Matt.

[JohnnyBB]

channel 5 are only doing it to themselfs they cang blame anyone eles but they have lost alot of veiwers by this decision and if its that xfactors going to turn imto more of a fame academy then thats going to be a huge slap in the face for fans.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I find it so Ironic they talk about the Casual Viewers.Who lets be honest wont think twice about watching something else.

It was the loyal Fans kept the show sinking well below the 1 million mark in BB10.
IMO this has Epic Fail written all over it.but does prove one point Endemol are 100% to blame for all this Is anyone really shocked though?

We had the feed back last year only for 3-4 hours at a time of Josie gibson becoming one with the duvet.chances are endemol already know who they want to win BB12 and will edit that person in a manner to make sure that win is seen.God help the poor sods who still vote for this ???

If figures are low enough expect either a massive Midseries reboot (like they did with BB germany).tbh im glad I said goodbye to Bigbrother last year its a no brainer for me now.Torchwood it is and for me to say that......I dont like trashy soaps never have and sadly BB has just become another trashy Soap.:(

BB has never sunk below a million i think the lowest rated episode was on a Saturday for BB10 which got 1.8 million

[JohnnyBB]

channel 4 must have goten concernd by bb10 otherwise they wouldint have given internet streaming for bb11

[BBDodge]

But why should hardcore fans want the show back and support it when Endemol is willing to alienate them so they can cater for newer fans? There's no reason they can't have a live feed and mobile video clips.

Just add live feed and make everyone happy.

[BBDodge]

channel 4 must have goten concernd by bb10 otherwise they wouldint have given internet streaming for bb11

BB had a different creative team and production company that year.

Remarkable listened. Initial so far have ignored fans.

[oathbreaker]

BB has never sunk below a million i think the lowest rated episode was on a Saturday for BB10 which got 1.8 million

1.2 million was the lowest.(sat night)

26 th june in bb10.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Just add live feed and make everyone happy.

This

[happybbfan]

seems strange that nothing has still come officially from channel 5 at all

[keithafc]

I'm not sure how changing Big Brother's unique production style to a generic modern one is going to attract new viewers. With a production style like every other reality show out there Big Brother will be exposed for the large amount of non event that it actually is.

I'm not knocking the show but it's previous production style made the whole sitting around thing charming and made it incredibly meaningful and exciting when something did happen. Now my line of thinking is ... well I can just go and watch Jersey Shore. Same production style but with better characters and more than happens in ten minutes than on three months of Big Brother.

Celebrity might rate if they get the right names but Big Brother 12 is already in the toilet. Someone just needs to flush it.
Its in the toilet because? Like it has been said, not everyone watches the live feed and it isn't the most important aspect of the show. I know you want the choice but still. We will see how the highlights show goes. It could turn out not to be anything like that essex show.

[oathbreaker]

Cbb will be fine and think will do very well (if the Hm's are good)
Bb12 is another issue and will be the big story of BB coming back I think its going to break records for all the wrong reasons.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/big-brother/news/a175953/big-brother-final-is-lowest-rated-ever.html

this story sums it up.If this was on C4.If the new look BB (bb12) fails to keep those casual viewers they want and they lose another crop of livefeeders my money is on figures being what 650k? for a h/l show and 1.2 million for evictions.

[Stu]

Its in the toilet because? Like it has been said, not everyone watches the live feed and it isn't the most important aspect of the show. I know you want the choice but still. We will see how the highlights show goes. It could turn out not to be anything like that essex show.
Never mentioned the feed, chief.

My reasons for why I think it's in the toilet are all in that post you quoted.

[Blink_Me]

Is there going to be any live feed on Channel 5? Or is shut off all together?

Nobody has said anything.

[keithafc]

Never mentioned the feed, chief.

My reasons for why I think it's in the toilet are all in that post you quoted.
I think you have a few times though?

I know you might think it could be a soap sort of style about it but am i the only one who actually thought that was what the last 3-4 BBs had been like? The editing, the story line creating etc. I still watched it.

[Stu]

I think you have a few times though?

I know you might think it could be a soap sort of style about it but am i the only one who actually thought that was what the last 3-4 BBs had been like? The editing, the story line creating etc. I still watched it.
Yeah? But not in this discussion. Not in the post you quoted.

That's not what the last three of four were like. Just last year. And that was bad enough. They're making a point of saying here that it is being taken to a whole new level.

As for the feed I don't think you have to have it or else the show is doomed. My beef lies with those stupid arguments you tend to repeatedly give that it's pointless, stupid, mostly bird noises and that you 'agree with Channel 5' and there decision to remove it.

By all means not like it yourself but removing the option is about as mentally retarded as a television boardroom decision could possibly get. Removing it isin't smart, removing it isin't conductive to anything and no good could come of it.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

1.2 million was the lowest.(sat night)

26 th june in bb10.

Is that an overnight figure?

Still not below 1 million anyway though.

[JohnnyBB]

its really kicking off on the big brother facebook for channel5 there deleting what everyones writeing.

[happybbfan]

they have not deleted any of my comments.I dont think they want multiple ones but there are still plenty of live feed comments on there

[LaLaLand]

I don't really have anything against the changes tbh. It could go either way though, hopefully it makes what could be a rather "dull" H/L show more watchable.

I'll reserve proper judgement though.

[jtalh2003]

while i have always tried to remain optimistic about changes i think this could be a step to far

the question has to be asked at what point dose the show become only bigbrother in name?


EDIT

and with zero live feed they may as well just give them a script each day let them act it out then let them go home

[LaLaLand]

Is there going to be any live feed on Channel 5? Or is shut off all together?

Nobody has said anything.

No LF whatsoever from what I've heard.

[*mazedsalv**]

its really kicking off on the big brother facebook for channel5 there deleting what everyones writeing.

I'm glad. Its good to see loyal fans still fighting for a vital part of the show.

[slow&steady]

No LF is a disaster really, its kinda what made the show. infact the LF was a different show in itself, the amount of stuff that went down last year, that wasnt even hinted at in the 'highlights' show, was amazing.

[CharlieO]

This is a disaster. I will certainly not be watching if it turns in to this 'scripted' reality show crap.

It is no longer big brother and I have no excitement left at all for the show.

[keithafc]

Yeah? But not in this discussion. Not in the post you quoted.

That's not what the last three of four were like. Just last year. And that was bad enough. They're making a point of saying here that it is being taken to a whole new level.

As for the feed I don't think you have to have it or else the show is doomed. My beef lies with those stupid arguments you tend to repeatedly give that it's pointless, stupid, mostly bird noises and that you 'agree with Channel 5' and there decision to remove it.

By all means not like it yourself but removing the option is about as mentally retarded as a television boardroom decision could possibly get. Removing it isin't smart, removing it isin't conductive to anything and no good could come of it.
It doesn't make the show though. It can still get good ratings on Channel 5 with the highlights show. It doesn't need live feed.

[Stu]

It doesn't make the show though. It can still get good ratings on Channel 5 with the highlights show. It doesn't need live feed.
*sigh*

As for the feed I don't think you have to have it or else the show is doomed. My beef lies with ...

[keithafc]

*sigh*
Yeah and the biggest grumps at the moment is people moaning about the live feed. It isn't going to be the same show as older Big Brother series. The Live feed isn't coming back.

It will be different. People need to just accept that.

[Ramsay]

I wanna get sick

[jtalh2003]

Yeah and the biggest grumps at the moment is people moaning about the live feed. It isn't going to be the same show as older Big Brother series. The Live feed isn't coming back.

It will be different. People need to just accept that.

they are accepting it but at the end of the day if it is nothing like the show a person enjoyed then you cant blame a person if they no longer watch it

[AJ.]

awful.

[Blink_Me]

No LF whatsoever from what I've heard.

Then they might as well cancel it.

[oathbreaker]

The reality will hit C5 when the people who were happy with the snore feed realise that isnt even there.

when you think about it.

HM's having a mini breakdown because they heard a name mentioned after the eviction Rember last year everyone waiting for the feed to return.It gave us some classic moments.

No nom cam.(thats going to be terrible)the rows after the shopping list/shopping arrival when people realise items havent been ordered.

I hope C5 have a good stock of Imodium they are going to need it friday morning.

[Rob]

I watched BB8,9 and 10 without BB and still loved them, i'm still thoroughly looking forward to the show!

Those going "they may as well cancel it now" aren't really fans of the show if that's their attitude, and in the long run, it was people like that which caused C4 to axe it, so please don't ruin our opporunity to keep BB on the air.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I watched BB8,9 and 10 without BB and still loved them, i'm still thoroughly looking forward to the show!

Those going "they may as well cancel it now" aren't really fans of the show if that's their attitude, and in the long run, it was people like that which caused C4 to axe it, so please don't ruin our opporunity to keep BB on the air.

You watched BB without BB?

You are a talented boy.

Oh and i disagree with you a million percent :)

No longer can we have late night discussions watching the housemates on live feed. Remember live feed last year when John James was crying and threatening to leave? It was awesome.

All we get to discuss now is 45 minutes a day.

BOOOO!

[AJ.]

Those going "they may as well cancel it now" aren't really fans of the show if that's their attitude, and in the long run, it was people like that which caused C4 to axe it, so please don't ruin our opporunity to keep BB on the air.

What? We've been told they're "taking inspiration from towie" it's going to be "constructed reality" they're going to have music and annoying after effects, no livefeed whatsoever except from them all being sat in a house what's left of the original concept? We're fans of big brother why should we be fans of something that clearly isn't just because it has the same name?

[oathbreaker]

You watched BB without BB?

You are a talented boy.

Oh and i disagree with you a million percent :)

No longer can we have late night discussions watching the housemates on live feed. Remember live feed last year when John James was crying and threatening to leave? It was awesome.

All we get to discuss now is 45 minutes a day.

BOOOO!

I only hope theres some common sense floating about the place and if they realise this idea was a really bad one they are putting plans in place.
Unlike Channel 4 they need this to work bigtime for them.

sadly thats going to be the other side effect.With all the info coming from one source forums are going to be struggling to find things to talk about.I just hope everyone that feels strongly enough unfollows anything C5/Endemol on both Facebook and Twitter.

Let them explain why they have so few followers when everyone wanted these crappy clips ;)

[mymidas]

Clips on mobiles?? Who in their right mind is going to use their data allowances to download clips from some so called reality show?. Ok the Jeremy Kyle watchers can be a bit dense bUt they are not stupid or are they. That means we are left with teenagers who dont pay the mobile bills I hope these clips are vetted so they are suitable for the under 18s. I am glad my kids are over 20 can you imagine having a teenager and not being aware of BB u.ntil a very large data usage bill arrives for a childs mobile?

[oathbreaker]

Clips on mobiles?? Who in their right mind is going to use their data allowances to download clips from some so called reality show?. Ok the Jeremy Kyle watchers can be a bit dense bUt they are not stupid or are they. That means we are left with teenagers who dont pay the mobile bills I hope these clips are vetted so they are suitable for the under 18s. I am glad my kids are over 20 can you imagine having a teenager and not being aware of BB u.ntil a very large data usage bill arrives for a childs mobile?

its a very valid point.
One thats been mentioned a lot on Twitter today.

LOL and to think in Sweden they stream the feed itself onto the phones.:joker:

[Livia]

Just embrace it

Agree.

Why is everyone getting so wound up? Probably better to wait and see.

[mymidas]

its a very valid point.
One thats been mentioned a lot on Twitter today.

LOL and to think in Sweden they stream the feed itself onto the phones.:joker:

Rip off britain probably find we are subsidising it with the mobile companies.

I can understand the need to attract a younger audience and using twitter and facebook does get to the audience but I would guess a lot of them are under 18 which on the face of it is fine. Where I get uncomfortable (and I accept this is the parent part of me talking) BB targeted not by design but by virtue of using new technologies to the under 18s has a big selling point of being about sex and the sexiest show ever it makes me a little bit sick.

[Blog Rider]

Could we sue them for doing a sex show for under 18s?