Is a human life more important than an animals?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Say a Polar Bear, Tiger or Cat?

[Locke.]

Depends what human

[Lee.]

Yes, I would say so

[Marc]

Put it this way I would save my dog over a stranger

Feel free to quote my post and go on about how my opinions are wrong etc. I don't care :idc:

[Boothy]

If I had to choose, I'd prefer to see a human die than an animal. Dunno why I think like that but I do.

[Ramsay]

I'd say they are just as important as humans
Like I'd save a friend or family member over some random dog or cat or something
But I'd also save my dog over a random person i dont know

[Vicky.]

I would be a bit of a hypocrite to say no, since I regularly eat animals.

However, I would much rather see a random human die than my pet. (And I know that sounds harsh :/ )

I guess I'm a hypocrite either way.

[Lee.]

If I had to choose, I'd prefer to see a human die than an animal. Dunno why I think like that but I do.

Really?? I don't like seeing anything die, but seeing a human die would affect me far more

[rk3388]

Depends what human to me too. And it depends if its the life of one animal or the life of many animals.
Lets just say if a bull fighter or seal hunter or dolphin catcher were in trouble, I dont think i would save them :S

[Wildcat!]

Waaw!! :shocked::shocked: This really shows, the state of humanity for real. At least this demographic, reading this thread. Shocking! :shocked:
I have had pets, cats mainly throughout my life, but no way in hell, will I save any of them, over my worst enemy, of a human being. I still know the difference between the brain, self awareness, of an animal, and that of a human being!

I am actually quite shocked reading some of the answers, because I honestly didnt think, people were like that, in general. But then again, maybe its just this country, or just the Tibb demographic. Live and learn!

[Ramsay]

Waaw!! This really shows, the state of humanity for real. At least this demographic, reading this thread. Shocking!

I have had pets, cats mainly throughout my life, but no way in hell, will I save any of them, over my worst enemy, of a human being.

I am actually quite shocked reading some of the answers, because I honestly didnt think, people were like that. Live and learn!

Well im certainly closer to my dog/cat so i have no problem choosing my pets over my mortal enemy

[Wildcat!]

LIke I said, live and learn!

[Ammi]

It really does depend on the human - if it were someone like Ian Huntley, I wouldn't even have to think about it

[Lee.]

Waaw!! :shocked::shocked: This really shows, the state of humanity for real. At least this demographic, reading this thread. Shocking! :shocked:
I have had pets, cats mainly throughout my life, but no way in hell, will I save any of them, over my worst enemy, of a human being. I still know the difference between the brain, self awareness, of an animal, and that of a human being!

I am actually quite shocked reading some of the answers, because I honestly didnt think, people were like that, in general. But then again, maybe its just this country, or just the Tibb demographic. Live and learn!

Yeah.. I have to say, I'm quite taken aback too

[Wildcat!]

Yeah.. I have to say, I'm quite taken aback too


I mean seriously!! The only thing I can think of, is maybe, you feel completely abandoned by society, so much so, that you value your pets life over humans. YOu must not have anyone else other than your pets in your life. IN which case, I could understand. But that would be extremely sad!

[MTVN]

Waaw!! :shocked::shocked: This really shows, the state of humanity for real. At least this demographic, reading this thread. Shocking! :shocked:
I have had pets, cats mainly throughout my life, but no way in hell, will I save any of them, over my worst enemy, of a human being. I still know the difference between the brain, self awareness, of an animal, and that of a human being!

I am actually quite shocked reading some of the answers, because I honestly didnt think, people were like that, in general. But then again, maybe its just this country, or just the Tibb demographic. Live and learn!

I thought that too tbh

[rk3388]

what im saying is i dont think humans should die (obviously) but they shouldnt kill animals for fun or abuse them, because there just as important as us IMO

[Tom4784]

Of course they are. I like animals but I'd never put one's life above a human's.

[Ammi]

I'm not talking about some random hedgehog crossing the road but if the choice was to save a much loved pet or the life of a child killer or an evil nutjob like the guy responsible for the Norway killings Anders Breivik, I know my choice and I would sleep well having made it

[Stu]

Is a human life more important than an animals? To me yes because I'm a human [except in extreme cases like the above]. However I have no grudge with the tiger that disagrees.

Also had a minor pants explosion at Dezzy's current Last FM play.

[ILoveTRW]

my dogs life is more important than 99% of humans but on the whole humans>animals

[Livia]

I think all sentient life is important. As humans are in a unique position of power, we have a duty to make sure animals don't suffer in our care, that if they're eaten they are humanely slaughtered, that their habitat is protected and that they're not subjected to cruelty or neglect at our hands.

[InOne]

As people have said, depends on the human.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course they are. I like animals but I'd never put one's life above a human's.

Why "of course"?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Six hunters were sent in by the emergency services to kill the mother bear and her three cubs.

(why?)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html#ixzz1VIlJNFW5

[Grimnir]

humans>>>animals>>>sub human animals

[Lee.]

Six hunters were sent in by the emergency services to kill the mother bear and her three cubs.

(why?)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html#ixzz1VIlJNFW5

what a horrific story!

[Shaun]

I'd have to say so.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As no life has any importance or meaning there is no difference only that which we place on it.

Its a religious hangover that we think humans are more important.

[CharlieO]

Unfortunately I'd have to say yes because I eat animals.

[Lee.]

As no life has any importance or meaning there is no difference only that which we place on it.

Its a religious hangover that we think humans are more important.

I think I think of humans as more important because I am one..

[Stu]

As no life has any importance or meaning there is no difference only that which we place on it.

Its a religious hangover that we think humans are more important.
I know you want to provoke discussion but sometimes you just sound plain stupid. .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I know you want to provoke discussion but sometimes you just sound plain stupid. .

Only to those who cant be bothered to contribute but happily play "look at me"

[Stu]

Only to those who cant be bothered to contribute but happily play "look at me"
I already contributed my answer. Not everyone who thinks you are pushing it a bit is trying to get attention. I suppose playing Christian apologetics for a year or two and then switching to rampant nihlism has nothing to do with playing 'look at me'?

We create the meaning in our lives. We empathise with humans more than any other animal and rightly so. I could sit here all day providing biological/evolutionary/neurological reasons why that is the case. I could discuss it in poetic or scientific terms.

Valuing human life more than the lives of other species is not the massive leap of faith or arrogant stance of assumption you're making it out to be.

[Livia]

As no life has any importance or meaning there is no difference only that which we place on it.

Its a religious hangover that we think humans are more important.

I think it's more to do with reason, intellect, emotion, the opposable thumb and being at the top of the food chain than religion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I already contributed my answer. Not everyone who thinks you are pushing it a bit is trying to get attention. I suppose playing Christian apologetics for a year or two and then switching to rampant nihlism has nothing to do with playing 'look at me'?

We create the meaning in our lives. We empathise with humans more than any other animal and rightly so. I could sit here all day providing biological/evolutionary/neurological reasons why that is the case. I could discuss it in poetic or scientific terms.

Valuing human life more than the lives of other species is not the massive leap of faith or arrogant stance of assumption you're making it out to be.

Thankyou Stuart

You may now clear up your things, put away your utensils and head off to prayers with the other boys.

Oh and Stuart, dont think i dont see the earring.:nono:

[Captain.Remy]

Of course yes.

Whoever says the contrary has social issues.

Animals are good. In my stomach. This is how life goes baby. We eat them. No pity.

[Doogle]

My friends and family and myself, and people I sort of know, yes.

But I'd rather a stranger or someone I dislike die than an animal. Unless it was like an ant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it's more to do with reason, intellect, emotion, the opposable thumb and being at the top of the food chain than religion.

But we all know that we are not more important but that we make it so in our own minds.

[Livia]

But we all know that we are not more important but that we make it so in our own minds.

I suppose it's to do with what you consider 'important' to mean. All animals have their place and their function in the scheme of things. Maybe not the wasp, which is the skinhead of the insect world.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Nope, I'd save my dog over anyone i dont like.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope, I'd save my dog over anyone i dont like.

Big Society

[MeMyselfAndI]

What??

[joeysteele]

A really excellent question Leather Trumpet,wow, it's a tricky one,I think I would say saving a Human over an Animal should be more important but I can't, I couldn't say that I would save a HUman over any Animal.

It would really depend on the circumstances,our family dog for instance, I doubt I would save anyone other than my family over him.

Brilliant question LT, you have me for one, stumped on this one for a definitive answer.

[Ammi]

A really excellent question Leather Trumpet,wow, it's a tricky one,I think I would say saving a Human over an Animal should be more important but I can't, I couldn't say that I would save a HUman over any Animal.

It would really depend on the circumstances,our family dog for instance, I doubt I would save anyone other than my family over him.

Brilliant question LT, you have me for one, stumped on this one for a definitive answer.

It would depend on the circumstances, as I've said before if it was a child murderer or a family pet, I would choose animal over human........but if it was a split second decision.......and I didn't now they were a child murderer......my instinct tells me I would choose human, I think most people would....letting humans die over animals is just well bad karma

[joeysteele]

It would depend on the circumstances, as I've said before if it was a child murderer or a family pet, I would choose animal over human........but if it was a split second decision.......and I didn't now they were a child murderer......my instinct tells me I would choose human, I think most people would....letting humans die over animals is just well bad karma

I would agree with what you say in the main.

May I add, when I read your post I thought, that's like something rhino would say,then I looked at the name and saw you were rhino.:joker:

Confused me a bit.mind you that's easy to do.:joker:

[Ammi]

I would agree with what you say in the main.

May I add, when I read your post I thought, that's like something rhino would say,then I looked at the name and saw you were rhino.:joker:

Confused me a bit.mind you that's easy to do.:joker:

:xyxwave::joker:

[Harry!]

I would save my pets over a random human being. But if it was someone I know verses a random aninal it would depend if I liked that person or not.

[bananarama]

Waaw!! :shocked::shocked: This really shows, the state of humanity for real. At least this demographic, reading this thread. Shocking! :shocked:
I have had pets, cats mainly throughout my life, but no way in hell, will I save any of them, over my worst enemy, of a human being. I still know the difference between the brain, self awareness, of an animal, and that of a human being!

I am actually quite shocked reading some of the answers, because I honestly didnt think, people were like that, in general. But then again, maybe its just this country, or just the Tibb demographic. Live and learn!

You wouldn't save your pet over your worst enemy. Obviously you don't love your pets. The point you are mising is that love or hate decides what we do or don't do. A genuine pet lover loves their anaimal as if part of the family. A stranger is not loved therefore its perfectly understandable to save a beloved pet as opposed to a complete stranger. But then it depends on who the stranger is.......A young women with children hard to let die. A male sorry I would save my pet......


To let a beloved pet die to save a worst enemy sounds completely abnormal......

[Lee.]

You wouldn't save your pet over your worst enemy. Obviously you don't love your pets. The point you are mising is that love or hate decides what we do or don't do. A genuine pet lover loves their anaimal as if part of the family. A stranger is not loved therefore its perfectly understandable to save a beloved pet as opposed to a complete stranger. But then it depends on who the stranger is.......A young women with children hard to let die. A male sorry I would save my pet......


To let a beloved pet die to save a worst enemy sounds completely abnormal......

I think having the death of another human being on your conscience would be harder to deal with than an animal... and I mean any human even your worst enemy.

[spitfire]

Is a human life more important than an animals?

No.

[Wildcat!]

You wouldn't save your pet over your worst enemy. Obviously you don't love your pets. The point you are mising is that love or hate decides what we do or don't do. A genuine pet lover loves their anaimal as if part of the family. A stranger is not loved therefore its perfectly understandable to save a beloved pet as opposed to a complete stranger. But then it depends on who the stranger is.......A young women with children hard to let die. A male sorry I would save my pet......


To let a beloved pet die to save a worst enemy sounds completely abnormal......

Abnormal??
LOL! actually in a lot of countries, there is such a thing as, non assistance to person in danger! Where if you let someone die (a human being that is), when you couldve done something about it, you can go to jail. And yes, that includes your worst enemy as well! NO such laws for an animal, and rightfully so!

Seriously, I cant believe i AM even debating this! :D
I do love my pet. But I know the difference between an animal, and a human being! I can hate someone, but still know that their life is more valuable than that of my pet's. I believe anyone who doesnt understand that, has some psychological issues (just me again).

A stranger, my worst enemy, is still a person, our beloved pet, is an animal, sorry but its not even close to me.
The stranger that I dont like, has a family, parents, friends, and is a member of society, whose life, is just as valuable as mine.

A pet that potentially has a lifespan of 10 or so years, with the brain of an animal, which is basically mainly instincts, is not comparable to that of any human being to me!

There is a reason why you get the death penalty or life in prison for murdering a human being, and its investigated. And there is a reason why no one investigate, a dead animal. THE DIFFERENCE is clear. BUt obviously, some people have detached themselves from humanity, so much so, that they dont understand what it means anymore!
How many years you get for murder of an animal again! LOL!

The fact that this is even a debate, is sad, and horrifying for me!

[Wildcat!]

I am half serious here but still gonna give this example. Lets say your pet, is killed by another animal, who attacked the pet. Should we try to capture it, and you know, give it a trial. Since, animals are the same as humans after all. What they would most likely do, is barbaric, which is to probably put them down if its a savage animal. thats just not right! :mad:

I think the animal should get a life in a pound sentence personally! JUst like it would be for a premeditated murder for a human being! :)

[Livia]

I am half serious here but still gonna give this example. Lets say your pet, is killed by another animal, who attacked the pet. Should we try to capture it, and you know, give it a trial. Since, animals are the same as humans after all. What they would most likely do, is barbaric, which is to probably put them down if its a savage animal. thats just not right! :mad:

I think the animal should get a life in a pound sentence personally! JUst like it would be for a premeditated murder for a human being! :)

Your views are clear Wildcat, althought your analogy is a bit wild.

Everyone will think differently about this. I would save my pet over an enemy. I would save a favourite teeshirt over an enemy. All the analogies in the world wouldn't change that.

[Wildcat!]

Your views are clear Wildcat, althought your analogy is a bit wild.

Everyone will think differently about this. I would save my pet over an enemy. I would save a favourite teeshirt over an enemy. All the analogies in the world wouldn't change that.

So youre saying if someone is your enemy, they deserve to die?

[Wildcat!]

Couple of more points. YOur pet, does not contribute anything positive to society. They only consume stuff. They dont make anything, they dont work, they dont contribute to the economy! If anything, they only hurt it!

And Its just selfish to want to save your pet, over a stranger. YOur desire to pet your animal, is greated than saving another person, who might have parents, children, people who depend on him!

people like to be idealistic, and believe they would save their pet first, but I bet you anything most of you guys, when the situation presents itself, would think differently!
If you dont, then in my opinion, you are not a normal human being!

ONe last thing, why do you value the pets that have the most human qualities! Hmmmm....
What about a snake??? would you save your pet snake over the stranger??? HOw about a pet ferret??? would you save him as well! I mean they are all animals right??? JUst as important as other humans, and presumably, just as important as each other!!!

Cmon people!!! give me a break!

[Livia]

So youre saying if someone is your enemy, they deserve to die?

If someone is my enemy, they're my enemy for a reason. I'm not saying they deserve to die, I'm saying I wouldn't waste any emotion on them, not even hate.

[Livia]

.....I bet you anything most of you guys, when the situation presents itself, would think differently!
If you dont, then in my opinion, you are not a normal human being!



In my opinion... Right back at ya.

[AJ.]

Humans have the opportunity to change other people lives so maybe but in a straight 1v1 then no.

[ElProximo]

There is one sure way to cure a zealous 'animal activist' type of PETA person. I mean the kind who thinks animals and humans are all 'equals' etc.

Let them come along with me and my Dad for a few weeks in the bush. We won't go hunting but basically do the same things.

Then you can see a Grizzly Bear. Watch them HORRIFICALLY 'murder' a Bambi Deer. A little Fawn. In front of its mother.
You just watch that.
I will spare you a list. A list of horrifying 'atrocities' you will see in nature. You will see animals unleashing 'genocide' and 'serial killing' and 'child murders' all day and night among animals.
Hey you can even see animals get into 'mobs' and kill their own children sometimes!

Now, the thing is. You can walk away actually respecting nature and animals all the more. In fact, you will have a very profound respect I think.
but,
you will find it hard to be one of these 'PETA' types any longer after that.

*and no, I don't defend any kind of animal cruelty and I do not hunt animals. I also live in reality.

[Smithy]

People die in films:

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-03-Scarlett-Johanssen.gif

Animals die in films:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq1nlcjr0b1qg6vdx.gif



/contribution

[Wildcat!]

LOL! :)
At least that was funny!

One more point, so how would you feel if you are that stranger, an someone else saves their pet over you! Are you OK with that, knowing how important you are as a person, for the people who are close to you, what your loss would mean to them. DO you equate that loss to the loss of the pet that got saved! ??

[Stu]

I'd save my worst enemy over my dog. And I love my dog to bits. But my dog is thick and not a person.

I don't consider that abnormal at all.

[Toxic]

Human life is 100000000% more important, no question.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Human life is 100000000% more important, no question.

why

[Sunny_01]

I would happily give my own life over for my dogs, in fact I was one of those fools you see on the tv, I nearly drowned saving my dog, who is a springer spaniel and more than capable of swimming!!!

That said I would give my life but not the life of another person. My little dog is nearly 16 years old and is very much a part of my family and I can only speak in a what I "think" I would do way. I think I would save the person. I value my pet, and anyone who suggests I dont love her needs to jog on, but I value human life as well. Its a moral dilemna, a one I like to think I would make the right choice in.

[Sunny_01]

I'd save my worst enemy over my dog. And I love my dog to bits. But my dog is thick and not a person.

I don't consider that abnormal at all.

My dog is not thick, she has been manipulating me for years. I walk her when she wants, I give her cuddles when she comes for attention, I feed her lovely fresh meat, and now that she is so old I even escort her up the stairs, you tell me that they are thick lol.

[Zippy]

Depends what human

this

after seeing those riot scenes I think some human lives are worth less than an ant.

[Captain.Remy]

I would save my pets over a random human being. But if it was someone I know verses a random aninal it would depend if I liked that person or not.

Harry, who's the 4th guy in your sig?

[Zippy]

So youre saying if someone is your enemy, they deserve to die?

I don't see her saying that. Just that in some extreme scenario she would choose her dog over them. So would I if our family dog were still alive. He was family.

[Kazanne]

I'm not talking about some random hedgehog crossing the road but if the choice was to save a much loved pet or the life of a child killer or an evil nutjob like the guy responsible for the Norway killings Anders Breivik, I know my choice and I would sleep well having made it

I agree with this.

[Kazanne]

Couple of more points. YOur pet, does not contribute anything positive to society. They only consume stuff. They dont make anything, they dont work, they dont contribute to the economy! If anything, they only hurt it!

And Its just selfish to want to save your pet, over a stranger. YOur desire to pet your animal, is greated than saving another person, who might have parents, children, people who depend on him!

people like to be idealistic, and believe they would save their pet first, but I bet you anything most of you guys, when the situation presents itself, would think differently!
If you dont, then in my opinion, you are not a normal human being!

ONe last thing, why do you value the pets that have the most human qualities! Hmmmm....
What about a snake??? would you save your pet snake over the stranger??? HOw about a pet ferret??? would you save him as well! I mean they are all animals right??? JUst as important as other humans, and presumably, just as important as each other!!!

Cmon people!!! give me a break!

As people have said before it depends on the human,some are not fit to breathe,I would chose an animal over a killer anyday,animals usually kill for food or they feel threatened,not for self gratification or sexual pleasure and are we really more intelligent?sometimes I wonder.

[lostalex]

A human life is more important than an animals life in the same way that an American life is more important than a non-American's life, and a member of my family's life is more valuable than someone who's not a member of my family's life.

There are scales of loyalty.
First comes Family, Then comes Country, Then comes Species.

LOYALTY is important.

[MTVN]

A human life is more important than an animals life in the same way that an American life is more important than a non-American's life, and a member of my family's life is more valuable than someone who's not a member of my family's life.

There are scales of loyalty.
First comes Family, Then comes Country, Then comes Species.

LOYALTY is important.

Nationalistic rubbish

[joeysteele]

As people have said before it depends on the human,some are not fit to breathe,I would chose an animal over a killer anyday,animals usually kill for food or they feel threatened,not for self gratification or sexual pleasure and are we really more intelligent?sometimes I wonder.

Again welcome back kazanne and I agree with this post,I think it was quite a complex and brilliant question from Leathertrumpet who started the thread and it had me stumped for a while.

All you say above is totally correct.

[lostalex]

Nationalistic rubbish

So you don't believe in protecting your country then?

[MTVN]

So you don't believe in protecting your country then?

I don't believe that a member of my country is more important than a member of any other country just because we were coincidentally born on the same piece of land

[lostalex]

I don't believe that a member of my country is more important than a member of any other country just because we were coincidentally born on the same piece of land

oic. We disagree then.

[Grimnir]

i like in movies where a group of people are trying to escape some threat like aliens or monsters
then a woman runs out trying to save her dog and gets eaten :joker:

[Niamh.]

Waaw!! :shocked::shocked: This really shows, the state of humanity for real. At least this demographic, reading this thread. Shocking! :shocked:
I have had pets, cats mainly throughout my life, but no way in hell, will I save any of them, over my worst enemy, of a human being. I still know the difference between the brain, self awareness, of an animal, and that of a human being!

I am actually quite shocked reading some of the answers, because I honestly didnt think, people were like that, in general. But then again, maybe its just this country, or just the Tibb demographic. Live and learn!

The voice of reason. I agree.

[Zippy]

well I definitely wouldnt save a bloody cat over anything.

but our family dog was definitely worth more to me than certain humans. Some humans deserve to die regardless.