The Season Will be Cancelled...

[ElProximo]

Thought to leave you with this...
Five's Big Brother Reboot went horribly wrong. In nearly every way on every level.
Far from the hopes of a genuine reboot. No 're-imagining'. No years off. No fresh start. No reconstruction 'Back to Basics'. No return to the original 'serious' implications.

It's the worst case scenario. It is wringing-out the left-overs. A cheap 'knock-off' of C4s series resold to the public.
Exploiting what (its imagined) is Davina's hardcore die-hard fans. Flamboyant gays, loving Brian, love gay disco nightclubs and as many fake blondes and idiot barely-celebrities. Idiotic relationship nonsense.

OK, no need to analyze this much more. Its obvious what it is. It's terrible. A terrible mistake.

But when will it be cancelled?

By 'Cancelled' (in the case of this kind of program) it means cut-short. Wrapped-up. Early closure.
They will still do the various obligatory votes/winner etc.

I say it makes it only 70% through its scheduled run before it's told to wrap it up within a week or two at most.
And that will be the end.
Of Big Brother.

Feel free to put your predictions here.

[King Gizzard]

Even if it flops I doubt they'll cancel it having paid 200m for it

['Conor]

it was amazing.

[slow&steady]

Thought to leave you with this...
Five's Big Brother Reboot went horribly wrong. In nearly every way on every level.
Far from the hopes of a genuine reboot. No 're-imagining'. No years off. No fresh start. No reconstruction 'Back to Basics'. No return to the original 'serious' implications.

It's the worst case scenario. It is wringing-out the left-overs. A cheap 'knock-off' of C4s series resold to the public.
Exploiting what (its imagined) is Davina's hardcore die-hard fans. Flamboyant gays, loving Brian, love gay disco nightclubs and as many fake blondes and idiot barely-celebrities. Idiotic relationship nonsense.

OK, no need to analyze this much more. Its obvious what it is. It's terrible. A terrible mistake.

But when will it be cancelled?

By 'Cancelled' (in the case of this kind of program) it means cut-short. Wrapped-up. Early closure.
They will still do the various obligatory votes/winner etc.

I say it makes it only 70% through its scheduled run before it's told to wrap it up within a week or two at most.
And that will be the end.
Of Big Brother.

Feel free to put your predictions here.

Kind of agree, though its far too early to say the long term outcome yet i think. THEE major screw up is (of course) the lack of a live feed, that we would all be watching now without doubt. We'll see.

[CharlieO]

I don't think it will flop because the general british public seems to be into this sort of mess they have made the series into. They have clearly focused it on gullible youths with low expectations of what entertainment is.

The rating will be high enough for Channel 5 to milk a few seasons out of it before killing it of forever. In hindsight I now wish it had been left a few years and 4 resurrected it in a serious manor. The only thing we can hope for now is a complete revamp for BB13, however it is very unlikely until this 'new' wave of shallow entertainment has died out.

But in my eyes true Big Brother is over. However hypocritical as it sounds I will still be watching but not for the reasons I watched Channel 4's version nor will I adore it in the same way.

I agree with the OP on all aspects other than the fact it will be cancelled. If it was I wouldn't care though.

[smartalec2718]

Thought to leave you with this...
Five's Big Brother Reboot went horribly wrong. In nearly every way on every level.
Far from the hopes of a genuine reboot. No 're-imagining'. No years off. No fresh start. No reconstruction 'Back to Basics'. No return to the original 'serious' implications.

It's the worst case scenario. It is wringing-out the left-overs. A cheap 'knock-off' of C4s series resold to the public.
Exploiting what (its imagined) is Davina's hardcore die-hard fans. Flamboyant gays, loving Brian, love gay disco nightclubs and as many fake blondes and idiot barely-celebrities. Idiotic relationship nonsense.

OK, no need to analyze this much more. Its obvious what it is. It's terrible. A terrible mistake.

But when will it be cancelled?

By 'Cancelled' (in the case of this kind of program) it means cut-short. Wrapped-up. Early closure.
They will still do the various obligatory votes/winner etc.

I say it makes it only 70% through its scheduled run before it's told to wrap it up within a week or two at most.
And that will be the end.
Of Big Brother.

Feel free to put your predictions here.

But...the run of CBB8 is only scheduled to be 3 weeks, yes? So if it makes it 70% through its scheduled run, that's roughly 2/3rds, or 2 weeks...then what would be the point of telling it to "wrap it up within a week or two at most" when it would reach its natural conclusion a week later?

:conf:

[Valdora]

Wow, I have heard early prediction BS before but this takes the cake.

[Zippy]

I agree that they havent brought anything fresh to the table to boost its future. Can't see it attracting any new viewers...which it needed to do to be a proper success.

But channel 5 survive on small ratings so it certainly will not be scrapped mid-season. That's just nonsense.

[NXS]

No disrespect to anyone but the thread starter here seems like someone who's simply disappointed that things didn't turn out the way THEY wanted it too... from what I've seen and heard so far everyone has been very excited and satisfied with how things have gone thus far... even with the nixing of the live feed and the no Sheen or Tyson... honestly... I thought it was a good kick off to the CBB and honestly CBB isn't the reason I watch the show anyway... and you can't compare the CBB to the normal BB because they will be completely different...

It's WAY too soon to be making forecasts such as this...

[SimBrotherNetwork]

I cant see the show being axed at all myself!
But however, i can see a massive re-vamp for BB13, new look, new twists, and live feed being back on red button! We will see, ill make my mind up on how the show will do when we get the viewing numbers for the launch

[ElProximo]

Post of the Day:

I don't think it will flop because the general british public seems to be into this sort of mess they have made the series into. They have clearly focused it on gullible youths with low expectations of what entertainment is.

The rating will be high enough for Channel 5 to milk a few seasons out of it before killing it of forever. In hindsight I now wish it had been left a few years and 4 resurrected it in a serious manor. The only thing we can hope for now is a complete revamp for BB13, however it is very unlikely until this 'new' wave of shallow entertainment has died out.

But in my eyes true Big Brother is over. However hypocritical as it sounds I will still be watching but not for the reasons I watched Channel 4's version nor will I adore it in the same way.

I agree with the OP on all aspects other than the fact it will be cancelled. If it was I wouldn't care though.

But...the run of CBB8 is only scheduled to be 3 weeks, yes?

I lost track of how they are doing this but my understanding was this is supposed to be some kind of pre-season deal with the celebrity BB? Is there supposed to be some kind of break between series now? I'm honestly under the impression this just 'rolls into' the other somehow?

[SimBrotherNetwork]

I cant see the show being axed at all myself!
But however, i can see a massive re-vamp for BB13, new look, new twists, and live feed being back on red button! We will see, ill make my mind up on how the show will do when we get the viewing numbers for the launch

[iRyan]

Even if it flopped terribly, they already signed a deal for BB13. So it doesn't really matter.

[Valdora]

As soon as the ratings drop (if they drop) twists will go into overdrive as will publicity. BB will not be judged ratings wise on the same scale as they were on C4. C5 is no where near as big.

[Jords]

wat

[JohnnyBB]

i said the same thing about bb10 big brother will never go away it just feels ruind by the lack of lf :(

[CharlieO]

Post of the Day:





I lost track of how they are doing this but my understanding was this is supposed to be some kind of pre-season deal with the celebrity BB? Is there supposed to be some kind of break between series now? I'm honestly under the impression this just 'rolls into' the other somehow?

You are under the correct impression don't worry. There is a one day break and they are basically the same season.

[slow&steady]

i said the same thing about bb10 big brother will never go away it just feels ruind by the lack of lf :(

yes. yes. yes. and i won't get tired of bemoaning the lack of a live feed!

[Colbert-Bump]

I'm disappointed with C5's efforts so far and the twist last night was totally lame, let's hope this is not a sign of what's to come.

[ElProximo]

yes. yes. yes. and i won't get tired of bemoaning the lack of a live feed!


but it seems that kind of core audience doesn't seem to need live-feeds.
Gay 20 year old 'kinda-goth' chubby young man and his ladyfriend who can't get enough of Josie kissing JJ.

Strangely, this crowd doesn't seem to need live-feeds. I'm not sure why. They just seem delighted with only the edited presentations.

My thinking is that this core group (imo being exploited in the worst kind of way) but this core group is hardcore but cannot make the big ratings or advertisement money.

[sword in the stone]

Didnt think it was so bad, but its gonna be hard to adjust to the show without a live feed,it changes everything regarding the show. one hour of edited highlights a day? not enough. Is everyone really gonna be on here late in future nights talking about BB? as we would be if the LF was on? i doubt any 'uproar' on facebook or whatever is gonna budge the production (demolition?) teams view on reinstating it. what a shame.

[sword in the stone]

yes. yes. yes. and i won't get tired of bemoaning the lack of a live feed!

totally agree, me neither!

[sword in the stone]

but it seems that kind of core audience doesn't seem to need live-feeds.
Gay 20 year old 'kinda-goth' chubby young man and his ladyfriend who can't get enough of Josie kissing JJ.

Strangely, this crowd doesn't seem to need live-feeds. I'm not sure why. They just seem delighted with only the edited presentations.

My thinking is that this core group (imo being exploited in the worst kind of way) but this core group is hardcore but cannot make the big ratings or advertisement money.

yeah, maybe we'll have to face the fact that BB is back, but it isnt. it's a new show aimed at that new breed you mention. What a ********ng shame.
The live feed is what the show is all about dumbasses!

[billy123]

They did a great job with the relaunch (with the exception of OKTV trash) but the live feed issue will choke the life out of the show so all the effort was wasted i think c5 are shell shocked at the moment with the hostility and scale of the live feed reaction.

Will they wake up or will they dig their heels in it has become that simple as to whether this will sink or swim the facebook page was a complete write off last night one of the video updates was up to near a thousand comments and i couldnt find a comment that wasnt about live feed they deleted around 600 comments before giving up and posting more videos.
The youtube channel well the comments section is much the same mess and everything they posted has 2/3rds thumbs down.

They have an out and that is to announce 24/7 live feed online for the main series but they need to make that announcement asap that is the only way they can make it work.

Channel 5 are relying on this to work they have spent twice as much on this as it cost them to buy the channel if this fails then channel 5 may cease to exist.
Lets hope they wake up.

[Grotbags]

I didn't mind the main show too much, although it was blatantly obvious that Bobby Wotsit was a last minute replacement.

I was very very disappointed in the shoddy and cheap looking Bit on the Side though.

It won't be cancelled. They have spent too much money for that to happen.

And OP, I'm a flamboyant, slightly chubby (but not goth) gay and I don't care for Brian Dowling, gay disco nightclubs, many fake blondes and idiot barely-celebrities or the fake JJJ relationship one jot so do please try not to stereotype. You've posted 3 times in this thread and mentioned gays twice. I think your problem may be with something other than the new Big Brother.

I want to see an entertaining non-fake *cough-BB11-cough* show. As it is only the first night I will reserve judgement.

[arista]

ElP'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/17/big-brother-comeback-phone-hacking-riots

Mark Lawson of Guardian Media
is with you
He wants BB dead.

[SimBrotherNetwork]

****!

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/18/article-0-0D7BAF1A00000578-807_634x591.jpg

[Jords]

Sally :love:

What a babe.

[letmein]

No El Proximo thread is ever left without homophobia thrown in. In fact, I bet his main problem with this entire series is the gays.

[Deep2]

Thought to leave you with this...
Five's Big Brother Reboot went horribly wrong. In nearly every way on every level.
Far from the hopes of a genuine reboot. No 're-imagining'. No years off. No fresh start. No reconstruction 'Back to Basics'. No return to the original 'serious' implications.

It's the worst case scenario. It is wringing-out the left-overs. A cheap 'knock-off' of C4s series resold to the public.
Exploiting what (its imagined) is Davina's hardcore die-hard fans. Flamboyant gays, loving Brian, love gay disco nightclubs and as many fake blondes and idiot barely-celebrities. Idiotic relationship nonsense.

OK, no need to analyze this much more. Its obvious what it is. It's terrible. A terrible mistake.

But when will it be cancelled?

By 'Cancelled' (in the case of this kind of program) it means cut-short. Wrapped-up. Early closure.
They will still do the various obligatory votes/winner etc.

I say it makes it only 70% through its scheduled run before it's told to wrap it up within a week or two at most.
And that will be the end.
Of Big Brother.

Feel free to put your predictions here.

I completely agree with these comments, it's nice to see someone objects the nonsense BB has produced. Not sure it will be cancelled though, judging by the reaction of some of the airheads on here.

[Jords]

How does somebody's personal taste of a show make them an airhead or not? lul

[ElProximo]

[QUOTE]And OP, I'm a flamboyant, slightly chubby (but not goth) gay

Hey 2 out of 3 ain't bad. But in fairness to me - I'm out of touch with the specific looks these days. I just say that to the types with Justin Beiber kind of sweepy hairstyles, painted finger nails, skinny jeans and whatever hip things.
I (wrongly) refer to this as kind of 'goth' sorta styles. I'm also becoming convinced all new music is sh*t too.



and I don't care for Brian Dowling, gay disco nightclubs, many fake blondes and idiot barely-celebrities or the fake JJJ relationship

I wasn't really attributing that to the sort of chubby fashionably hip gay best friends. More to the girls who are with them.
They love Brian Dowling and JJJ. I would guess you were critical of Brian (and his clothes, camp, etc).

You've posted 3 times in this thread and mentioned gays twice. I think your problem may be with something other than the new Big Brother.


Well I just watched a 'Gay Big Brother' but you are right I was more discussing my disappointment in how that was so cheaply aiming to exploit people like you.
Its pretty bad when I'm actually feeling 'insulted' FOR YOU.

I mean honestly.. don't you find it 'condescending'? I think its even worse this seems like a 'cheap grab' version of it too.
Weeee... we know you LOVE some 'catwalk struts' and gay club songs right? Weeee.. Dowling is gay just like you!
Weeeee... see.. here are some pink and rainbow lights flashing like you love them weeeee???

Honestly if I was a chubby gay 20 year old man with painted fingernails and one of those 'vest' shirts (is it called a 'cardigan'?),
and,
I was watching this cheap pander? I'd be annoyed.

I want to see an entertaining non-fake *cough-BB11-cough* show. As it is only the first night I will reserve judgement.


Normally I'd agree with the part about giving it some time. But this was so blatantly cheap and exploitative and so obviously a tacky and half-arsed attempt..
..i just want to predict it dies right off the start.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think it wraps early and (by the end) the ratings tanking fast.


ElP'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-hacking-riots

Mark Lawson of Guardian Media
is with you
He wants BB dead.

Interesting article and something to think about - thanks.

[Jords]

How can you base everything on the launch? Give it at least a week, far too judgemental otherwise.

[ElProximo]

How can you base everything on the launch? Give it at least a week, far too judgemental otherwise.

Often my opinions will change after giving it a week. I also considered the possibility (and based on some inside gossip) that this was deliberately something like a 'prank'.
But wow.. nope. I am sure this is just the very worst case scenario - milking this for the last cheap drops left-over from C4 :(

[Jamietwo]

what gets me interested in the characters is when i can't sleep and switch on the night feed and become fascinated by a late night conversation or even if i'm lucky a drama of some sort unfolding....without that i doubt i'll continue to watch.

[Lostie!]

Wow, Mystic Meg is on the forums! :eek:

Oh, please.

[ElProximo]

Wow, Mystic Meg is on the forums! :eek:

Oh, please.

No. There is nothing 'mystic' about it. It's something like this:

- BB was losing more and more of the broader general audience. It was reducing itself to a 'core' audience of hardcore fans and found it self more and more reliant on appealing 'down' to that core.

IF 5 believed they could 'reverse' this they would. They would be making efforts to 'expand' the appeal. This could mean alienating some of what we will call the 'Gay and JJJ' crowd,
but,
at the benefit of bringing back some mainstream masses and bringing in a 'new generation' of youth.

But they did not. They went for the desperate last-chance solution that C4 was already squeezing dry.
Only difference is theirs is cheaper, tackier, crass and so desperate as to be condescending.
But it is a sure sign they gave up before it started. They are absolutely NOT in this to build anything.
This is NOT going to be here for any kind of 'resurrection' or any such thing.

It is clearly for squeezing the last drops out of the hardcore 'Gay and JJJ' people left-over from the real series.

This reminds me (and I suppose this is lost on most here) but this reminds me of the old USA sitcom trends.
If you had a successful comedy you would make cheap 'quick-buck' spin-offs. Usually around whatever other wacky zany characters got the cheap laughs.
Then you milked that spin-off with every gimmick, cliche and annoying catchprase.
and when that quickly ran out of steam you brought in a precocious child and then a talking dog and finally Fonzie is jumping sharks in a very special Hawaii 2-parter.

No mystic predictions here. This is just the ugly truth in front of your nose.

[rfighter]

Well the launch had a peak of 6 million and an average of 5 million and BOTS had 1.6 million so lets all laugh at ElProximo.

[RichardG]

Well the launch had a peak of 6 million and an average of 5 million and BOTS had 1.6 million so lets all laugh at ElProximo.

With ratings like these it will sure stay around for a while! :hugesmile: it all depends on how well the rest of the series dows though, launch nights usually do good anyway.

[ElProximo]

Well the launch had a peak of 6 million and an average of 5 million and BOTS had 1.6 million so lets all laugh at ElProximo.

You can't laugh yet. You don't know anything yet. You have to keep something in mind:
This is not just a case of a delayed start or lack of competition or that there was a CBB opening with potential stars.
This was the first night of what (maybe) was the entirely new BB. I suspect a lot of people like me (non-gayJJJ) and 'Purist' who remember hearing 'Back to Basics'.

What you want to see is how many RETURN and carry on watching. I suspect a whole lot of your 'mainstream masses' was sorely disappointed and won't be coming back.
I suspect you see the numbers drop far and wide once we get a few weeks into the scripted regular series.

Maybe I'm wrong but you have no reason to believe anything yet.

[Deep2]

How does somebody's personal taste of a show make them an airhead or not? lul

Obvious. Anyone with any depth in their character cannot really like something that is the antithesis. It sounds judgemental, but in reality, we all are. Anyone who is indiviualistic and does not like the way modern society is going, will be fine with the show. Airhead is perhaps the wrong word, non thinking conformist may be better.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Thought to leave you with this...
Five's Big Brother Reboot went horribly wrong. In nearly every way on every level.
Far from the hopes of a genuine reboot. No 're-imagining'. No years off. No fresh start. No reconstruction 'Back to Basics'. No return to the original 'serious' implications.

It's the worst case scenario. It is wringing-out the left-overs. A cheap 'knock-off' of C4s series resold to the public.
Exploiting what (its imagined) is Davina's hardcore die-hard fans. Flamboyant gays, loving Brian, love gay disco nightclubs and as many fake blondes and idiot barely-celebrities. Idiotic relationship nonsense.

OK, no need to analyze this much more. Its obvious what it is. It's terrible. A terrible mistake.

But when will it be cancelled?

By 'Cancelled' (in the case of this kind of program) it means cut-short. Wrapped-up. Early closure.
They will still do the various obligatory votes/winner etc.

I say it makes it only 70% through its scheduled run before it's told to wrap it up within a week or two at most.
And that will be the end.
Of Big Brother.

Feel free to put your predictions here.

Erm the launch peaked at 6 million.

Think you'lle fine you are wrong

[Crimson Dynamo]

I expected nothing more from the daily express of TV that is channel 5

I will take some enjoyment out of it however