Paddy is overrated

[Jordan.]

Can someone explain what he is doing to be so popular?

To me he's just passive aggressive and has a narrow minded opinion on most things.

[Zippy]

he's probably looking good by default. Compared to the others.

[Omah]

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/tv-film/the-bum-diary-a-week-of-celebrity-big-brother/

Celebrities understand indecipherable Irish accents

Weirdly, if you’re drunk, Paddy Doherty is a doddle to understand – he actually sounds like an English prince. But in sobriety, it’s just ****ing nonsense. And yet, somehow, not one person in the Celebrity Big Brother house has misunderstood a single word that’s tumbled out of his mouth. They’re either not as stupid as they look, or so stupid that he’s become the in-house Jeremy Paxman.

:amazed:

[Roy Mars III]

I really liked him in the beginning, but he's gone down quite a bit in my estimations lately.

[snookered]

He is.

[starry]

Can someone explain what he is doing to be so popular?

Because it's a crap set of HMs?

[Niamh.]

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/tv-film/the-bum-diary-a-week-of-celebrity-big-brother/



:amazed:

Excuse me but he does not have an Irish accent. He has a traveller accent. He's not even from Ireland.

[Jordan.]

Because it's a crap set of HMs?

I think its one of the best lineups they've had in years. Every HM has brought something to the series.

[Omah]

Because it's a crap set of HMs?

Well, it could be a worse set, but I don't see how ..... :laugh2:

[Mac Hiavellian]

He is overrated, narrow-minded and passive aggressive. He's like Rachel Rice and Ulrika morphed in to one with a hint of Anthony Hutton.

Kerry and Darryn are more worthy of winning imo.

[Zippy]

Excuse me but he does not have an Irish accent. He has a traveller accent. He's not even from Ireland.

Niamh trying to disown him!

he's called Paddy how much more Irish do you want?

[Niamh.]

Niamh trying to disown him!

he's called Paddy how much more Irish do you want?

He was born and lives in England, has he ever even been to Ireland? My step daughters name is Nadia, doesn't make her Russien though :idc:

[Zippy]

well the true test is what football team he supports...England or Ireland.

[Sophiee]

I agree! he's becoming boring.

[Kerry]

I think he's great :laugh:

[MTVN]

He's hilarious, him eating the garlic ice cream was one of the funniest moments this series

[Vicky.]

I love paddy. He seems one of the only ones actually being himself

[Jords]

Hes funny, has good things to say and most importantly real.

[Zippy]

I love paddy. He seems one of the only ones actually being himself

but what if himself is a homophobic, sexist pig?

It's just interesting how some viewers turn a blind eye to certain characteristics in some and crucify others for the same things.

[Vicky.]

but what if himself is a homophobic, sexist pig?

It's just interesting how some viewers turn a blind eye to certain characteristics in some and crucify others for the same things.

Well tbh, I think he is a bit. Still real though.

I just cant stand people who play up to the cameras. And yeah, he has faults...many of them most likely, but hes not trying to hide them.

[Niamh.]

Well tbh, I think he is a bit. Still real though.

I just cant stand people who play up to the cameras. And yeah, he has faults...many of them most likely, but hes not trying to hide them.

I'd rather someone pretend to be nice then really be horrible. (not saying he's horrible, just in general)

[Zippy]

I think viewers just take a liking or disliking to certain HMs. And then proceed to make excuses for all their bad points. Or if its dislike they proceed to crucify them for their bad points.

[Jords]

Do you dislike Paddy Zippy?

[Niamh.]

I think viewers just take a liking or disliking to certain HMs. And then proceed to make excuses for all their bad points. Or if its dislike they proceed to crucify them for their bad points.

Absolutely :joker:

[Vicky.]

I think viewers just take a liking or disliking to certain HMs. And then proceed to make excuses for all their bad points. Or if its dislike they proceed to crucify them for their bad points.

I'm not making any excuses for his bad points.

I disagree with his views on gay people and women.

But I still think hes real, and funny, and thats why I still like him :p

[joeysteele]

I like him and think he could win this, but he is picking up Darryns grumpiness unfortunately.

[Bojangles]

Loving the Padster.Come on Paddy me boy.

[Kerry]

Everyone will have bad points that you yourself won't agree with. My best mate adores Jedward. I'd like to murder them. Doesn't stop me thinking the world of her

[Jords]

Hes not overally homophobic nor sexist.

Paddy has a completely different way of life and Im pretty sure in his world hes not deemed sexist its just their thing, and I think many people are slightly homophobic (esp. men) and I dont think its bad of them. You cant help feeling uncomfortable about something as long as its not acted upon in a negative way.

[Bojangles]

I think Paddy is missing his family and way of life big time more than any of the others in there.

[Zippy]

Do you dislike Paddy Zippy?

well I stopped watching monday

but from what Ive seen I can see he's likeable on the surface. But when I think what lurks beneath I find it very distasteful tbh. He certainly doesn't pass close scrutiny.

I don't think somebody with his fundemental character faults should win but I can't say I dislike him from how he comes across on the show.

[joeysteele]

I think Paddy is missing his family and way of life big time more than any of the others in there.

Absolutely, as he said in the diary room, these are not his people, he isn't used to these type of people,he is missing his family.

[Suze]

Well, he knows where the door is if he misses them that much. Don't care for walkers, but if it is getting too much for him then nothing stopping him walking, unless he is more interested in trying to win the show than he lets on.

[Livia]

It's taken me a long, long time to actually like someone enough to want them to win over all the others. I've chosen Paddy. He's not the sharpest pencil in the box, he'd tell you that himself, but he seems to be quite honourable. I think he's the only one in the house who is being completely himself. Mostly I like him because Paddy doesn't seem to bull****, while every single other person in there does.

[joeysteele]

I still don't mind him but shopping in Asda early this morning,I was listening to the staff going on about CBB( very good opinion barometers Asda staff,they got all the eviction predictions right last year as to BB,even Ben's surprise eviction),a good few of them said they had gone right off Paddy for his aggression last night towards Bobby.
I think he may have just made a big error coming across as threatening just for someone saying he was mumbling.

[billy123]

Its hilarious how people hate on alpha males its very revealing seeing weaker males get snotty about him :hugesmile:
He is a proper alpha if you cant take the heat dont get all whiney about him!
He is a no messing good honest proper man he respects people that respect themselves and those around them.
He has no time for weasels.

[Ammi]

I still don't mind him but shopping in Asda early this morning,I was listening to the staff going on about CBB( very good opinion barometers Asda staff,they got all the eviction predictions right last year as to BB,even Ben's surprise eviction),a good few of them said they had gone right off Paddy for his aggression last night towards Bobby.
I think he may have just made a big error coming across as threatening just for someone saying he was mumbling.

Well done, Joey, I struggle to make it to the kitchen before midday and you've been to Asda!

[Suze]

I still don't mind him but shopping in Asda early this morning,I was listening to the staff going on about CBB( very good opinion barometers Asda staff,they got all the eviction predictions right last year as to BB,even Ben's surprise eviction),a good few of them said they had gone right off Paddy for his aggression last night towards Bobby.
I think he may have just made a big error coming across as threatening just for someone saying he was mumbling.

I could quite imagine that wouldn't sit well with a few, the slightest thing can turn a BB fan off a housemate in no time. And I wouldn't be surprised if Paddy's moods get worse now and he turns into Darryn's twin for real :joker:

I wasn't surprised by Ben's eviction, I mentioned at the time on DS that it would be riskier for Ben to be staying when there were three or four up, as it would be easier for the twitter lot to go against Ben, leaving the others forgotten and overtaking him then.

[Livia]

Good morning joey.

I think Bobby is extremely smug, and last night asking Paddy not to mumble was not the first time he'd spoken down to him. Bobby had it coming. The ironic thing is that Bobby is best mates with Lucien, who is an actor, and yet mumbles so much they call him mumbles.

[joeysteele]

Well done, Joey, I struggle to make it to the kitchen before midday and you've been to Asda!

Thank you Ammi,Good morning,I like to be up and about ready for what the day brings.I also though like shopping when I have to when it's quieter in the Stores.:joker:

Good morning to Livia and Suze too. I agree with Suze that Paddy's mood may get worse although they are now only 6 days away from the last day and also I totally agree with Livia as to Lucien too.

I just keep asking the same question as to Lucien, he says to the others,he would love to join in with the twins in their antics but Darryn would frown down on that!! What has Darryn got to do with whatever Lucien does,or what has Darryn got on him. Lucien is a real strange one.

[Niamh.]

Good morning joey.

I think Bobby is extremely smug, and last night asking Paddy not to mumble was not the first time he'd spoken down to him. Bobby had it coming. The ironic thing is that Bobby is best mates with Lucien, who is an actor, and yet mumbles so much they call him mumbles.

No matter how smug Bobby is, Paddy still doesn't have the right to get annoyed with him because he likes someone that he doesn't. And he was mumbling, he needs subtitles ffs

[Ammi]

Thank you Ammi,Good morning,I like to be up and about ready for what the day brings.I also though like shopping when I have to when it's quieter in the Stores.:joker:

Good morning to Livia and Suze too. I agree with Suze that Paddy's mood may get worse although they are now only 6 days away from the last day and also I totally agree with Livia as to Lucien too.

I just keep asking the same question as to Lucien, he says to the others,he would love to join in with the twins in their antics but Darryn would frown down on that!! What has Darryn got to do with whatever Lucien does,or what has Darryn got on him. Lucien is a real strange one.

Lucien is a non celebrity, most people hadn't ever heard of him before CBB. He's trying to change that and launch a career in....em something, he's trying to keep the paps on side to help him with that..........

[Livia]

No matter how smug Bobby is, Paddy still doesn't have the right to get annoyed with him because he likes someone that he doesn't. And he was mumbling, he needs subtitles ffs

I don't need subtitles to understand Paddy. I can't understand Lucien half the time and he comes from my neck of the woods AND gets paid to speak English. Bobby should have gone week one, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Niamh.]

I don't need subtitles to understand Paddy. I can't understand Lucien half the time and he comes from my neck of the woods AND gets paid to speak English. Bobby should have gone week one, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I can't understand Lucien half the time either, hence his nickname "mumbles" nobody complains about that but oh nobody can dare accuse Paddy of mumbling as that's discrimination. Bravo for being able to understand him but he's the only one in there with subtitles so I think it's fair to say that he is quite hard to understand for alot of people.

[Livia]

I can't understand Lucien half the time either, hence his nickname "mumbles" nobody complains about that but oh nobody can dare accuse Paddy of mumbling as that's discrimination. Bravo for being able to understand him but he's the only one in there with subtitles so I think it's fair to say that he is quite hard to understand for alot of people.

I don't think I actually accused anyone of discrimination, because it wasn't. Bobby is smug and rude. Not a good combination.

[Legend killer]

Paddy is CBB

The Legend Killer Saluates You Paddy

[Niamh.]

I don't think I actually accused anyone of discrimination, because it wasn't. Bobby is smug and rude. Not a good combination.

No, I didn't mean you did, but to me, that's how Paddy reacted to the comment. Bobby may well be smug and rude but Paddy acted brutish and rude in the situation as far as I'm concerned.

[InOne]

It just goes to show paddy doesn't have too much social etiquette. Just because Bobby had an opinion that was different Paddy thought he was lying and taking the piss.

[Livia]

No, I didn't mean you did, but to me, that's how Paddy reacted to the comment. Bobby may well be smug and rude but Paddy acted brutish and rude in the situation as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, I can see that. My judgement may be being coloured by the fact I find Bobby so arrogant and it was nice to see him back-peddling furiously.

[Niamh.]

It just goes to show paddy doesn't have too much social etiquette. Just because Bobby had an opinion that was different Paddy thought he was lying and taking the piss.

Exactly.

Yeah, I can see that. My judgement may be being coloured by the fact I find Bobby so arrogant and it was nice to see him back-peddling furiously.

Well, tbf I was away on holiday and have only been watching since last week. I missed the whole sweat incident and Bobbys been pretty quiet since I've been watching so I'm pretty indifferent to him.

[Kate!]

I'm not making any excuses for his bad points.

I disagree with his views on gay people and women.

But I still think hes real, and funny, and thats why I still like him :p

All very good points.

What you see is what you get with Paddy, he is genuine. Yes, he has some questionable opinions to say the least, but he is real. If Darryn goes I think he will move more to the forefront as Darryn seems to stifle his personality to some extent. I loved him when he lost his rag and threatened to throw Jedward through the screen. Unlike Kerry's totally false rant at them for trashing the bedroom. She kept smirking while she was saying it ffs. The only decent pick Pam made to save was Paddy! I'd love him to at least make the final.

[Ammi]

To be fair to Bobby, at least he had the guts to question Paddy and say if you've got something to say against Jedward, just say it and stop mumbling under you're breath. Of course he looked shocked with Paddy's reaction, I don't think any of us would assume someone was going to take an aggressive stance, just because we disagreed with them. It was total over reaction and very revealing about Paddy. The Point is, Bobby pulled him up in the first place, the rest of them wouldn't have the guts to even get that far

[Niamh.]

To be fair to Bobby, at least he had the guts to question Paddy and say if you've got something to say against Jedward, just say it and stop mumbling under you're breath. Of course he looked shocked with Paddy's reaction, I don't think any of us would assume someone was going to take an aggressive stance, just because we disagreed with them. It was total over reaction and very revealing about Paddy. The Point is, Bobby pulled him up in the first place, the rest of them wouldn't have the guts to even get that far

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[MaratSafinForever]

I'd rather someone pretend to be nice then really be horrible. (not saying he's horrible, just in general)

In other words, you like false people.

I don't know if Paddy's overrated or not but he's definitely more 'real' than any of the other housemates.

[Niamh.]

In other words, you like false people.

I don't know if Paddy's overrated or not but he's definitely more 'real' than any of the other housemates.

Not at all, but I believe someone pretending to be nice is the lesser of two evils over someone who's actually a wanker ;)

Give me a real nice person over both of those anyday.

[Josy]

I still don't mind him but shopping in Asda early this morning,I was listening to the staff going on about CBB( very good opinion barometers Asda staff,they got all the eviction predictions right last year as to BB,even Ben's surprise eviction),a good few of them said they had gone right off Paddy for his aggression last night towards Bobby.
I think he may have just made a big error coming across as threatening just for someone saying he was mumbling.

No matter how smug Bobby is, Paddy still doesn't have the right to get annoyed with him because he likes someone that he doesn't. And he was mumbling, he needs subtitles ffs

I don't think he was being aggressive because Bobby had a different opinion from him tbh, I think he acted that way because he's had a stroke that affected his speech, and Bobby told him to stop mumbling, he's probably self concious about it and there was no need for Bobby to point that out to him really.

I like Paddy because as others have said in here, he's the only one thats being himself.

[Suze]

I don't think he was being aggressive because Bobby had a different opinion from him tbh, I think he acted that way because he's had a stroke that affected his speech, and Bobby told him to stop mumbling, he's probably self concious about it and there was no need for Bobby to point that out to him really.

I like Paddy because as others have said in here, he's the only one thats being himself.
I understand liking someone for being themselves, but what if being themselves is not that nice though? Does that mean ok, they are horrible, but being themselves so that is ok? I am not saying Paddy in particular, but the point in general

[Niamh.]

I understand liking someone for being themselves, but what if being themselves is not that nice though? Does that mean ok, they are horrible, but being themselves so that is ok? I am not saying Paddy in particular, but the point in general

Yeah, this is my point too. That seems to be the common excuse for complete arseholes/bad behaviour in BB, "well atleast he's being real". We all feel like being horrible sometimes but most of us can keep it under wraps, that's not being false, it's having some self control.

[Livia]

I don't think he was being aggressive because Bobby had a different opinion from him tbh, I think he acted that way because he's had a stroke that affected his speech, and Bobby told him to stop mumbling, he's probably self concious about it and there was no need for Bobby to point that out to him really.

I like Paddy because as others have said in here, he's the only one thats being himself.

First post on this thread I've agreed with 100%. Just because Bobby didn't sit up and lean towards Paddy doesn't mean he wasn't being aggressive in what he said.

[Niamh.]

First post on this thread I've agreed with 100%. Just because Bobby didn't sit up and lean towards Paddy doesn't mean he wasn't being aggressive in what he said.

He said that after Paddy accused him of being a liar because he didn't agree with Paddys opinion, I'd be pretty annoyed as well if someone said that to me.

[Zippy]

this being real thing is such BS. And ironic considering that he recently testified in another of his classy court cases that all his machospeak about being some savage merciless fighter was just for the cameras. Maybe he means stuff like such;

He was quoted as having said in the Deadliest Men show: "I'd bite your eyes and bite your lips off and I won't spit them out so you could sew them back on, I'd swallow them to disfigure you."

And the word honest is not really appropriate for somebody who seems to exist in a world of dodgy dealings and criminal savage behaviour. But yeah, he's real so all is forgiven.

His sexist attitude and homophobic beliefs are real too. Real as Jades alleged racism.

All these women drooling over him just backs up my theory that women secretly want a neanderthal. Also confirms what I suggested earlier that viewers decide they like a HM and then adjust their moral compass accordingly.

[Josy]

I understand liking someone for being themselves, but what if being themselves is not that nice though? Does that mean ok, they are horrible, but being themselves so that is ok? I am not saying Paddy in particular, but the point in general

Yeah, this is my point too. That seems to be the common excuse for complete arseholes/bad behaviour in BB, "well atleast he's being real". We all feel like being horrible sometimes but most of us can keep it under wraps, that's not being false, it's having some self control.

Yeah fair points but I have yet to see Paddy doing anything in there that would make me think he's a horrible nasty person.

He said that after Paddy accused him of being a liar because he didn't agree with Paddys opinion, I'd be pretty annoyed as well if someone said that to me.

If you watch it back you will see Paddy never once called him a liar, and he only sat up the way he did when Bobby mentioned his mumbling.

[JAJ1942]

I really can't see why he is so popular, you can't understand him, he is a neanderthal

[Niamh.]

Yeah fair points but I have yet to see Paddy doing anything in there that would make me think he's a horrible nasty person.



If you watch it back you will see Paddy never once called him a liar, and he only sat up the way he did when Bobby mentioned his mumbling.

He absolutely called him liar! He may not have said those exact words but he said something to the effect of, "You'd see them outside the house? and go for a pint with them?" I believe he was laughing and shaking his head when Bobby said yeah, implying that he was a liar, his whole tone was suggesting that he didn't believe Bobby.

[Niamh.]

this being real thing is such BS. And ironic considering that he recently testified in another of his classy court cases that all his machospeak about being some savage merciless fighter was just for the cameras. Maybe he means stuff like such;

He was quoted as having said in the Deadliest Men show: "I'd bite your eyes and bite your lips off and I won't spit them out so you could sew them back on, I'd swallow them to disfigure you."

And the word honest is not really appropriate for somebody who seems to exist in a world of dodgy dealings and criminal savage behaviour. But yeah, he's real so all is forgiven.

His sexist attitude and homophobic beliefs are real too. Real as Jades alleged racism.

All these women drooling over him just backs up my theory that women secretly want a neanderthal. Also confirms what I suggested earlier that viewers decide they like a HM and then adjust their moral compass accordingly.

Exactly Zippy. Though I disagree with your last point, I like manly men yes but not neanderthals, there is a difference ;)

[Ammi]

Tbh it's not just the Paddy/Bobby thing for me, it was the fact that he didn't even know Kerry's name. He's just spent two weeks in a house with maximum of nine other people, has had several one to one conversations with Kerry, was one half of the twin task with her and he can't even be bothered to learn her name. Total bloody ignorance

[Suze]

I suppose I have a pre concieved bias towards Paddy because I was married into a family, yes it was like I was married to the family :( of Gypsy stock, one of the family was even shot and killed in a Police shoot. I know how close and also nasty some of those families can be and it isn't always pretty, am so glad I am not part of that family anymore. One of the worst mistakes ever marrying into that but it has hopefully improved my perception of people since. But even so, from the little I have gleaned from the highlight eviction shows and the tweets plus posts, I see no reason to change my opinion of Paddy.

Plus Zippy, I find your points above quite relevant, it's like we are expected to praise and laud such people, and why should we?

[chuff me dizzy]

Lovely,gentleman ,and only worthy winner

[Niamh.]

Lovely,gentleman ,and only worthy winner

Gentleman?? :laugh2:

[chuff me dizzy]

Gentleman?? :laugh2:

Yes

[Suze]

Gentleman?? :laugh2:

:laugh2:

Definition of the word Gentleman from Dictionary.com:

. A man of good family, breeding, or social position.
. A civilized, educated, sensitive, or well-mannered man: He behaved like a true gentleman.
. A male personal servant, especially of a man of social position; valet.

[Jordan.]

Lovely,gentleman ,and only worthy winner

Most deluded post so far :crazy:

[chuff me dizzy]

Most deluded post so far :crazy:

And you are a Bobby fan???????????? say no more !!

[MeMyselfAndI]

My brother thinks hes like amazing & god. It really annoys me :bored:
I like Paddy but in no way is he the Best HM. Hes just likeable imo.

[Zippy]

Lovely,gentleman ,and only worthy winner

Lovely gentleman? Savage pig more like.

And yeah, I find that sexist, homophobic criminals always make such worthy winners.

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[chuff me dizzy]

Lovely gentleman? Savage pig more like.

And yeah, I find that sexist, homophobic criminals always make such worthy winners.

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Everyone to their own

[Ammi]

Ok I've just watched it back
Paddy 'I'm not interested in that **** talk'
Bobby 'What **** talk?'
Paddy 'Ok, are we coming off now, are me and you coming on to something here, cos if we are let's just say we're coming on to something here'
Bobby 'Paddy, I'm not coming on I'm talking to you, but don't mumble stuff after.......I'm not ****ing with you.....'
Paddy sits up and hovers over Bobby, raises his voice 'Who's mumbling?'
Bobby 'What'?
Paddy (voice raised) 'Who's mumbling, I don't mumble'
Bobby 'No, I'm saying, if we're saying stuff to each other, we're saying it to each other, none of that........I've got so much time for you, I'm not ****ing you around'
Paddy then accepted and sat back again.
Bobby's voice did not change, was never aggressive he remained reclined in his chair. Paddy sat up, sat directly over Bobby, raised his voice.....
Aggressive behaviour......

[Ammi]

Just to add, I'm not a Bobby fan since sweatgate, but that doesn't matter because this is about facts not favourites

[Bojangles]

Ok I've just watched it back
Paddy 'I'm not interested in that **** talk'
Bobby 'What **** talk?'
Paddy 'Ok, are we coming off now, are me and you coming on to something here, cos if we are let's just say we're coming on to something here'
Bobby 'Paddy, I'm not coming on I'm talking to you, but don't mumble stuff after.......I'm not ****ing with you.....'
Paddy sits up and hovers over Bobby, raises his voice 'Who's mumbling?'
Bobby 'What'?
Paddy (voice raised) 'Who's mumbling, I don't mumble'
Bobby 'No, I'm saying, if we're saying stuff to each other, we're saying it to each other, none of that........I've got so much time for you, I'm not ****ing you around'
Paddy then accepted and sat back again.
Bobby's voice did not change, was never aggressive he remained reclined in his chair. Paddy sat up, sat directly over Bobby, raised his voice.....
Aggressive behaviour......

Paddy sat on the edge of his own sunbed.I didn't see him directly over Bobby.
"I'm not ****ing with you....." Could be taken two ways.

[Suze]

Just to add, I'm not a Bobby fan since sweatgate, but that doesn't matter because this is about facts not favourites

Re (BIB) Exactly, Ammi :thumbs:

[Ammi]

Paddy sat on the edge of his own sunbed.I didn't see him directly over Bobby.
"I'm not ****ing with you....." Could be taken two ways.

Body language...................Bobby stayed exactly where he was, his voice unchanging, Paddy sat up and sat over Bobby and RAISED HIS VOICE.........just like that

[joeysteele]

Ok I've just watched it back
Paddy 'I'm not interested in that **** talk'
Bobby 'What **** talk?'
Paddy 'Ok, are we coming off now, are me and you coming on to something here, cos if we are let's just say we're coming on to something here'
Bobby 'Paddy, I'm not coming on I'm talking to you, but don't mumble stuff after.......I'm not ****ing with you.....'
Paddy sits up and hovers over Bobby, raises his voice 'Who's mumbling?'
Bobby 'What'?
Paddy (voice raised) 'Who's mumbling, I don't mumble'
Bobby 'No, I'm saying, if we're saying stuff to each other, we're saying it to each other, none of that........I've got so much time for you, I'm not ****ing you around'
Paddy then accepted and sat back again.
Bobby's voice did not change, was never aggressive he remained reclined in his chair. Paddy sat up, sat directly over Bobby, raised his voice.....
Aggressive behaviour......

You've done the same as me,very aggressive behaviour. I would personally in Bobby's place have found Paddy wery threatening and intimidating, 2 things that have no place in the BB house.

Watching it again, I feel Bobby handled it really well,also Bobby was in the right.Paddy got very insulting as to the twins and Bobby who because he likes them stuck up for them and contested Paddy's view as to his even having a drink with them.
It seems in Paddy's world only people who agree with him are relevant,that would be sad world to be in.

Talking around today, Paddy's lost a fair few people who admired him up to that point.
I am very disappointed in Paddy's behaviour there.

[Zippy]

LOL @ people refusing to believe Paddy could possibly be aggressive. Do you have a clue about this guys background?

[RichardG]

Everyone to their own

It's a shame you don't have a reply like that to those talking about how much they like Jedward. :p
But yeah, Paddy did seem aggressive last night in that situation. I never have liked Bobby but I thought he was good last night.

[joeysteele]

Paddy sat on the edge of his own sunbed.I didn't see him directly over Bobby.
"I'm not ****ing with you....." Could be taken two ways.

Bobby never moved though, Paddy got confrontational and he moved nearer to Bobby's space, Bobby made no move to his.
That is intimidating and threatening at the very least.

If I am debating with someone and we are sitting down,were we to disagree and I then moved to get up and go closer to them,I would then be challenging rather than debating.Paddy moved to Bobby,that's threatening behaviour.

[Livia]

I've rarely seen such a fuss over someone sitting up, no voices raised, no punches thrown and a handshake.

[Jordan.]

I've rarely seen such a fuss over someone sitting up, no voices raised, no punches thrown and a handshake.

Would that have been the case if they were outside the house?

[Josy]

Lets be honest here, Bobby was in no way innocent throughout the conversation, he was confrontational and resorted to personally insulting Paddy with the mumbling comment, he also referred to him as a sausage after pulling Paddy up last week for saying the exact same thing to Jedward.

Bobby thinks he's playing a clever game, being all friendly with Jedward because he knows they will be popular, but his incident with Darryn shows exactly what kind of nature he has IMO.

[Zippy]

I love how BB debates always have to be about one HM being the good guy and the other the bad guy. Why can't they just both be twats?

[MTVN]

I've rarely seen such a fuss over someone sitting up, no voices raised, no punches thrown and a handshake.

I know, ridiculous isnt it :joker:

Plus have people forgotten earlier in the show when Paddy called Jedward sausages, it was only a joke anyway but Bobby seemed really offended and have Paddy a long lecture on it, Paddy didnt get angry or anything he just took on board what Bobby said, apologised to the twins and shook hands.

Edit - and as Josy has said above Bobby called Paddy a sausage last night; he was obviously trying to wind him up

Yeah Paddy's has a bit of a rough background, been in plenty of fights etc. but he's at least big enough to admit that he made a lot of mistakes in his life and he regrets a lot of what he has done. Although two of his biggest critics here, Zippy and Suze, dont actually watch the show so wouldnt even have seen that :tongue:

[Livia]

Would that have been the case if they were outside the house?

What difference would that have made? The only difference as far as I can see is that we wouldn't have had a thread full of people getting upset over, like I said before, an exchange of words and a handshake.

[joeysteele]

Paddy calls everyone doing something he doesn't like sausages, only in response to Paddy saying that he thought Kerry should win it, even though he couldn't even remember her name, did Bobby answer with he thought Jedward and then it was Paddy who began the confrontation.
Bobby didn't criticise Paddy's choice, Bobby just stated his choice and I would have defended the one in the right no matter who they said they wanted to win., (just in case I am dismissed again as an idiotic Jedward supporter as I am usually am).

[Suze]

Paddy calls everyone doing something he doesn't like sausages, only in response to Paddy saying that he thought Kerry should win it, even though he couldn't even remember her name, did Bobby answer with he thought Jedward and then it was Paddy who began the confrontation.
Bobby didn't criticise Paddy's choice, Bobby just stated his choice and I would have defended the one in the right no matter who they said they wanted to win., (just in case I am dismissed again as an idiotic Jedward supporter as I am usually am).

Re: (BIB) Join the club, Joey :D I am used to it now, and let most comments just go over my head now :joker: ;)

[chuff me dizzy]

It's a shame you don't have a reply like that to those talking about how much they like Jedward. :p
But yeah, Paddy did seem aggressive last night in that situation. I never have liked Bobby but I thought he was good last night.

Do you think Bobby would say it outside the house? I dont ,IF he did I would call him brave ,until then ...no

[chuff me dizzy]

I've rarely seen such a fuss over someone sitting up, no voices raised, no punches thrown and a handshake.

Well said !!!

[joeysteele]

Re: (BIB) Join the club, Joey :D I am used to it now, and let most comments just go over my head now :joker: ;)

It's a club I am happy to be in with you then Suze, I don't think it right or fair anyone should be personally ridiculed or insulted or even be allowed to be, just because they like someone and go to certain concerts that someone else doesn't or wouldn't.

[Jordan.]

Well said !!!

Would you say the same about Jedward trashing the house then cleaning up after themselves.

It's pretty much falls under the same category as arguing then shaking hands after to me.

[Zippy]

Although two of his biggest critics here, Zippy and Suze, dont actually watch the show so wouldnt even have seen that :tongue:

and because I missed him utter a couple of (probably insincere) lines about him regretting his past that makes all the difference. His whole mentality seems to have been steeped in savage brutality his whole life so I find it very hard to believe he's had some sudden enlightenment about what a bad boy he's been. More likely he's now just too old to cut it. Or just BSing for TV like he has done before apparently. And his latest court case is very recent so..

And I suppose you're another one who wants to sweep his sexism and homophobia under the carpet becuase it suits? Yeah, like I said before about people adjusting their moral compass.

[chuff me dizzy]

Would you say the same about Jedward trashing the house then cleaning up after themselves.

It's pretty much falls under the same category as arguing then shaking hands after to me.

Did the put Amys make up back which the stole? did they repair the broken beds? NO

[Livia]

.........And I suppose you're another one who wants to sweep his sexism and homophobia under the carpet becuase it suits? Yeah, like I said before about people adjusting their moral compass.

You can't stop people thinking and feeling. I've not heard him be sexist or homophobic in an aggressive way. If he doesn't agree with people being gay or women being equal, he joins at least 50% of the rest of the men on earth, and that's a conservative estimate. Until I hear him insult someone for being gay or for being a woman, I'll continue to think he's not as bad as he's being painted.

[Patricia4]

Im a fan of Paddy I didnt know much about him before BB so from the house point of veiw I think he's great.

[Zippy]

What difference would that have made?

he would have hit him probably

[joeysteele]

he would have hit him probably

I think he is someone more likely to talk first with his fists,I agree out of the house anything may have happened.

[Bojangles]

Lets be honest here, Bobby was in no way innocent throughout the conversation, he was confrontational and resorted to personally insulting Paddy with the mumbling comment, he also referred to him as a sausage after pulling Paddy up last week for saying the exact same thing to Jedward.

Bobby thinks he's playing a clever game, being all friendly with Jedward because he knows they will be popular, but his incident with Darryn shows exactly what kind of nature he has IMO.

Well done you.:hello::hello:

[Vicky.]

You can't stop people thinking and feeling. I've not heard him be sexist or homophobic in an aggressive way. If he doesn't agree with people being gay or women being equal, he joins at least 50% of the rest of the men on earth, and that's a conservative estimate. Until I hear him insult someone for being gay or for being a woman, I'll continue to think he's not as bad as he's being painted.

He never quite said that he didnt agree with people being gay either(that I heard anyways, I may have missed an episode somewhere along the line). I just saw him getting quite pissed off at the suggestion that his son might be gay. Which, may be wrong, but I expect many many straight men would be the same.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong...

[MTVN]

and because I missed him utter a couple of (probably insincere) lines about him regretting his past that makes all the difference. His whole mentality seems to have been steeped in savage brutality his whole life so I find it very hard to believe he's had some sudden enlightenment about what a bad boy he's been. More likely he's now just too old to cut it. Or just BSing for TV like he has done before apparently. And his latest court case is very recent so..

And I suppose you're another one who wants to sweep his sexism and homophobia under the carpet becuase it suits? Yeah, like I said before about people adjusting their moral compass.

He sounded pretty sincere to me but I guess that's open to interpretation, and wasn't his latest court cases because he'd got assaulted by 2 of his cousins

As for his apparent sexism and homophobia I've not really seen any examples of him being discriminatory in that sense; he might hold views that would be considered so but a lot of it is probably due to his culture and upbringing, and like Livia said he's not really homophobic or sexist in an aggressive way and his views would probably be shared by a lot of the population. It's not something I condone but I find it hard to use it as a basis for actually disliking him as a housemate.

[Locke.]

He is good but he was pushing his luck last night with Bobby, he is very lucky Bobby didn't take it seriously or Paddy would have ended up being drowned in the pool

[Zippy]

Oh well, as long as he's not dragging women along the BB carpet by their hair and bouncing gays off the walls with his fist I guess thats ok then.

[Vicky.]

He is good but he was pushing his luck last night with Bobby, he is very lucky Bobby didn't take it seriously or Paddy would have ended up being drowned in the pool

:D

[Niamh.]

Oh well, as long as he's not dragging women along the BB carpet by their hair and bouncing gays off the walls with his fist I guess thats ok then.

.....................not yet :shocked:

[Incensed]

Paddy did an interview just before he went in the house where he stated that a good friend of his was gay, so I doubt he's homophobic.

[Zippy]

Paddy did an interview just before he went in the house where he stated that a good friend of his was gay, so I doubt he's homophobic.

:joker:

LOL I do love these "I know a black person so I could never be racist" arguements!

[Suze]

Oh well, that makes it all alright with the world then. It makes up for everything else about Paddy. All hail Paddy.

[Incensed]

:joker:

LOL I do love these "I know a black person so I could never be racist" arguements!

I guess he can't win either way then. He's lambasted if he says he doesn't like gays and equally lambasted if he says he does.

[Vicky.]

:joker:

LOL I do love these "I know a black person so I could never be racist" arguements!

Its not quite that though is it? If he was truly homophobic, he would not have a gay mate. He would be disgusted by said person.

Just because you dont want your son to be gay, that does not make you homophobic. In my eyes anyways. And pretty sure its a view shared by most straight men, and even maybe some gay men too.

[Zippy]

I guess he can't win either way then. He's lambasted if he says he doesn't like gays and equally lambasted if he says he does.

you havent said he says he likes gays. You said he has a gay friend. Well he also has a female wife but it doesnt stop him being sexist does it?

having a black friend doesnt mean you can't be racist...do I really need to go on?

[Vicky.]

Anyway, I already know I will get nowhere here. There will be more strawmen arguments pulled from thin air as some have already decided paddy is the devil incarnate. Enjoy your hatin' :tongue:

[MTVN]

Oh well, that makes it all alright with the world then. It makes up for everything else about Paddy. All hail Paddy.

How can you come at this with a balanced opinion having never watched the show? Seems you just have a preconceived notion if what Paddy would be like and are using that as a basis to judge him

And where is the evidence of Paddys raging homophobia? All I've seen is Sally asking what he would do if his son was gay and he said "why do you always come out with these wise cracks?", can't quite remember the conversation exactly but a lot of people would feel a bit uncomfortable in that position

[Incensed]

you havent said he says he likes gays. You said he has a gay friend. Well he also has a female wife but it doesnt stop him being sexist does it?

having a black friend doesnt mean you can't be racist...do I really need to go on?


Well one would assume seeing as this person is his friend that he does like him! Unless your idea of friendship is different to mine.

[Zippy]

Well one would assume seeing as this person is his friend that he does like him! Unless your idea of friendship is different to mine.

thats ONE specific gay. Hello!

he may have known him from way before he even came out. For you to hold that up as proof he can't be homophobic is just ridiculous.

[Suze]

How can you come at this with a balanced opinion having never watched the show? Seems you just have a preconceived notion if what Paddy would be like and are using that as a basis to judge him

And where is the evidence of Paddys raging homophobia? All I've seen is Sally asking what he would do if his son was gay and he said "why do you always come out with these wise cracks?", can't quite remember the conversation exactly but a lot of people would feel a bit uncomfortable in that position

Why does it bother you so much what I think? I don't think I have ever posted anything overly nasty about Housemates or even that many posts. Plus I read the tweets posted on forums, which on the whole must cover most of the highlights shows all 45 minutes of them, which to be fair is all those watching see, 45 minutes a day, so are hardly in much more of a position to debate a housemate than I am then, plus when so many you tubes or vids are posted up, those not watching get the benefit of those, plus reading posts, and I have said before I watch the eviction shows to see who gets evicted and watch their interviews, which must show a fair amount of the highlights. So all in all I am as much clued up as those watching their 45 mins a day really.

I also haven't mentioned about any homophobia, I have just replied in relitively tongue in cheek posts to a few posts. So don't understand why you are getting so het up about differing opinions about your favourite?

[bbfan1991]

Lets be honest here, Bobby was in no way innocent throughout the conversation, he was confrontational and resorted to personally insulting Paddy with the mumbling comment, he also referred to him as a sausage after pulling Paddy up last week for saying the exact same thing to Jedward.

Bobby thinks he's playing a clever game, being all friendly with Jedward because he knows they will be popular, but his incident with Darryn shows exactly what kind of nature he has IMO.

Well it's true Paddy does mumble a bit and maybe he can't help it but maybe Bobby felt as if Paddy was saying something under his breath? Paddy was already wound up. I liked the fact that Bobby stood his ground and dared to have an opinion Paddy didn't like but it was just a disagreement, none were in the wrong.

I don't think Bobby is being fake with Jedward either, they've had a few playfights and have spent a lot of time together recently. Friendships change in the house.

[Incensed]

thats ONE specific gay. Hello!

he may have known him from way before he even came out. For you to hold that up as proof he can't be homophobic is just ridiculous.

I think that statement in itself is ridiculous. There doesn't seem to be any point in further debate. You've made up your mind that Paddy is homophobic without any proof to back up the fact, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

[bbfan1991]

I think Paddy might have been wound up by the fact that Bobby said that he thought a few others had a chance of winning the show over Kerry (that is not going to happen now of course).

[MTVN]

Why does it bother you so much what I think? I don't think I have ever posted anything overly nasty about Housemates or even that many posts. Plus I read the tweets posted on forums, which on the whole must cover most of the highlights shows all 45 minutes of them, which to be fair is all those watching see, 45 minutes a day, so are hardly in much more of a position to debate a housemate than I am then, plus when so many you tubes or vids are posted up, those not watching get the benefit of those, plus reading posts, and I have said before I watch the eviction shows to see who gets evicted and watch their interviews, which must show a fair amount of the highlights. So all in all I am as much clued up as those watching their 45 mins a day really.

I also haven't mentioned about any homophobia, I have just replied in relitively tongue in cheek posts to a few posts. So don't understand why you are getting so het up about differing opinions about your favourite?

It doesn't bother me at all, that's probably the first post I've directed at you but I've seen you say you don't watch the show so I consider it pretty reasonable to enquire as to what your basing your judgements on, don't know why've you feel that was offensive, it wasn't intended to be so.

And the homophobia part of my comment wasn't actually aimed at you specifically, it was just a general thought on some of the criticism towards Paddy

[Suze]

It doesn't bother me at all, that's probably the first post I've directed at you but I've seen you say you don't watch the show so I consider it pretty reasonable to enquire as to what your basing your judgements on, don't know why've you feel that was offensive, it wasn't intended to be so.

And the homophobia part of my comment wasn't actually aimed at you specifically, it was just a general thought on some of the criticism towards Paddy

I didn't consider it offensive. I like a good post where I can have a chance to explain :) rather than a ner ner ner type post. I just thought you were getting a bit worked up about Paddy. My bad. I just take BB for what it is for the most part, there are those I like or dislike in the house, those I want to get to the final, those whom I don't. But I accept it is a gameshow and I alone don't control the outcome, so I don't take it over seriously as some others on forums seem to.

[MTVN]

I didn't consider it offensive. I like a good post where I can have a chance to explain :) rather than a ner ner ner type post. I just thought you were getting a bit worked up about Paddy. My bad. I just take BB for what it is for the most part, there are those I like or dislike in the house, those I want to get to the final, those whom I don't. But I accept it is a gameshow and I alone don't control the outcome, so I don't take it over seriously as some others on forums seem to.

No worries, I like Paddy so I will defend him but I try not to get worked up about it, it's only Big Brother :tongue:

[Flamingjoe]

I think he's ok, but I do agree with you about him being overrated :)

[Livia]

I think he's ok, but I do agree with you about him being overrated :)

I think Paddy is standing out for me because of the calibre of "celebrities" we have this year. One of them was never going to have to shine very brightlly to shine very brightly, if you see what I mean.

[Ammi]

Aww, I had to go offline before, just as this thread got interesting:bawling::bawling::bawling: