Is there a difference between prostitutes and escorts?

[Shaun]

Looking at it from a very simplistic perspective I'd say no. Which if anything just proves the illegality of prostitution to be somewhat absurd. Don't take money for sex but take money for dinner then sex. :crazy:

[Tom4784]

The difference is nothing but a loophole.

It's ridiculous really, they should just legalise it and then they can tax it as well as regulate it and make sure that the workers are safe.

[Niamh.]

I think sex isn't supposed to be involved in Escorting?

[MB.]

I think sex isn't supposed to be involved in Escorting?

Yes, the sex just happens.

[Niamh.]

Yes, the sex just happens.

:laugh:

[arista]

Looking at it from a very simplistic perspective I'd say no. Which if anything just proves the illegality of prostitution to be somewhat absurd. Don't take money for sex but take money for dinner then sex. :crazy:


No Shaun

a Hooker
is not a Escort.


Its like saying Poundland is M&S

[Vicky.]

Same thing really IMO. Yeah apparently sex isnt part of the deal with escorts, maybe a select few actually stick to that rule, but I know girls who have been 'high class escorts' and they always ****ed the guy for extra.

I dont really get why prostitution is illegal anyway. Its really not that much different to going out to a bar, allowing a guy to buy you some drinks, then going home with him :/

[Pyramid*]

The difference is nothing but a loophole.

It's ridiculous really, they should just legalise it and then they can tax it as well as regulate it and make sure that the workers are safe.

Not quite.

guys don't tend to take Escorts out for dinner, to functions etc and sex is not always a 'given' either.

[Stu]

At least from where I'm living 'escorts' is just a loophole. Driving down to the docks and getting a brasser is against the law here but you can get them online where they are dubbed as 'escorts' and it's certainly all about sex. I imagine she'd look at you pretty funny if you offered her up a bit of garlic bread and salmon before the youse got down to brass tacts.

I remember escorts.ie being some weird revelation to me years ago. I couldn't believe it was so easy and out there and legal whereas it becomes illegal as soon as you take it off the internet. Crazy.

It's super overpriced though. I recall it being like 250 quid to get dominated. Maybe for my birthday.

[MTVN]

No Shaun

a Hooker
is not a Escort.


Its like saying Poundland is M&S

:joker:

[Lee.]

At least from where I'm living 'escorts' is just a loophole. Driving down to the docks and getting a brasser is against the law here but you can get them online where they are dubbed as 'escorts' and it's certainly all about sex. I imagine she'd look at you pretty funny if you offered her up a bit of garlic bread and salmon before the youse got down to brass tacts.

I remember escorts.ie being some weird revelation to me years ago. I couldn't believe it was so easy and out there and legal whereas it becomes illegal as soon as you take it off the internet. Crazy.

It's super overpriced though. I recall it being like 250 quid to get dominated. Maybe for my birthday.

£250?? I'll do it for 20 quid and a Burger King!

[Pyramid*]

At least from where I'm living 'escorts' is just a loophole. Driving down to the docks and getting a brasser is against the law here but you can get them online where they are dubbed as 'escorts' and it's certainly all about sex. I imagine she'd look at you pretty funny if you offered her up a bit of garlic bread and salmon before the youse got down to brass tacts.

I remember escorts.ie being some weird revelation to me years ago. I couldn't believe it was so easy and out there and legal whereas it becomes illegal as soon as you take it off the internet. Crazy.

It's super overpriced though. I recall it being like 250 quid to get dominated. Maybe for my birthday.

I somehow don't see a businessman who needs/wants a female to accompany him to a business function, picking up some hardened hooker off a dockside and her quite making the grade, do you?

On the subject of prostitution - I have no idea why it's illegal. It's completely bizarre. Sex sells - it should be made legal, safe, controlled, monitored and taxed. Sometimes the Western World lives in the dark ages.

[Stu]

£250?? I'll do it for 20 quid and a Burger King!
Make that 20 quid and you have a deal.

I somehow don't see a businessman who needs/wants a female to accompany him to a business function, picking up some hardened hooker off a dockside and her quite making the grade, do you?
That's not what escorting is here. Like I said I'm speaking from a local perspective. Official escorting for lack of a better term has been reduced to dust and in it's place a prostitution industry using the term as a legal loophole.

[Lee.]

Tight arse!

[Pyramid*]

That's not what escorting is here. Like I said I'm speaking from a local perspective. Official escorting for lack of a better term has been reduced to dust and in it's place a prostitution industry using the term as a legal loophole.

And I too am speaking from a local perspective where I am, and with regards to the difference between escorts and prostitutes.

[Vicky.]

I doubt there is many men who will pay over the odds for someone to accompany them on a business meeting who will not expect something else too :/

Obviously there will be a few. But I would expect it is extremely rare.

[Stu]

And I too am speaking from a local perspective where I am, and with regards to the difference between escorts and prostitutes.
So why bother pointing out to me the flaw in my thinking then when it was a remark on locality and rooted in fact? It would be like me quoting your original post and saying 'well actually that's not what escorting is I think'. It's obvious to me that this is another improvised response because you tried too quick to catch someone out again.

My head hurts. It just never ends does it. 'And it was my opinion too'. We know, yeah. Smashing stuff.

[Pyramid*]

So why bother pointing out to me the flaw in my thinking then when it was a remark on locality and rooted in fact? It's obvious to me that this is another improvised response because you tried too quick to catch someone out again.

My head hurts. It just never ends does it. 'And it was my opinion too'. We know, yeah. Smashing stuff.

For the same reason that you bothered pointing it out to me again. Okay for you to do but not me? I see......

[Stu]

For the same reason that you bothered pointing it out to me again. Okay for you to do but not me? I see......
Pointed what out to you? I didn't point anything out to you.

[Pyramid*]

I doubt there is many men who will pay over the odds for someone to accompany them on a business meeting who will not expect something else too :/

Obviously there will be a few. But I would expect it is extremely rare.

Doesn't negate that it still exists though.

[Pyramid*]

Make that 20 quid and you have a deal.


That's not what escorting is here. Like I said I'm speaking from a local perspective. Official escorting for lack of a better term has been reduced to dust and in it's place a prostitution industry using the term as a legal loophole.

Pointed what out to you? I didn't point anything out to you.

:bored:

[Vicky.]

Doesn't negate that it still exists though.

Oh I know that :)

Its just...Im pretty sure escorts know, that while it doesnt quite say it on the tin, sex is very likely, if not certain, to be a part of their job.

Escort is just a more pleasant way of saying glorified prostitute with extra perks, such as dinner.

[Stu]

:bored:
I defended my original post against your response out of necessity. I didn't take it upon myself to quote your original post and say 'well I can't imagine that's what escorting is lol'. That was your doing. I suppose I did have to point something out to you in the fact that I had to basically repeat my original post because in your mad hormonal dash to catch me out you forgot I was only speaking from my own experience at a local level.

So back to square one why bother pointing out to me the flaw in my thinking then when it was a remark on locality and rooted in fact? It would be like me quoting your original post and saying 'well actually that's not what escorting is I think'. It's obvious to me that this is another improvised response because you tried too quick to catch someone out again.

My head hurts. It just never ends does it. 'And it was my opinion too'. We know, yeah. Smashing stuff.

*sigh*

It's only through putting that post together that I remember your insane ability to create an argument from nothing. To hell with it. You are making me sound riddiculous and I'm giving in to you which is my fault.

[Pyramid*]

Oh I know that :)

Its just...Im pretty sure escorts know, that while it doesnt quite say it on the tin, sex is very likely, if not certain, to be a part of their job.

Escort is just a more pleasant way of saying glorified prostitute with extra perks, such as dinner.

In many cases yes. My point is that picking up some hooker from a dockside is not the same as arranging an intelligent, educated, well dressed woman who is and will be comfortable and able to act appropriately in certain social situations that require her to mix with others known to the person she is escorting.

Not quite the same deal and a quick wham, bam, thank you man and here's your £20, get out my car.

[Vicky.]

In many cases yes. My point is that picking up some hooker from a dockside is not the same as arranging an intelligent, educated, well dressed woman who is and will be comfortable and able to act appropriately in certain social situations that require her to mix with others known to the person she is escorting.

Not quite the same deal and a quick wham, bam, thank you man and here's your £20, get out my car.

Oh yeah, its a different kinda scenario, no disputing that

[Pyramid*]

I defended my original post against your response out of necessity. I didn't take it upon myself to quote your original post and say 'well I can't imagine that's what escorting is lol'. That was your doing. I suppose I did have to point something out to you in the fact that I had to basically repeat my original post because in your mad hormonal dash to catch me out you forgot I was only speaking from my own experience at a local level.

So back to square one why bother pointing out to me the flaw in my thinking then when it was a remark on locality and rooted in fact? It would be like me quoting your original post and saying 'well actually that's not what escorting is I think'. It's obvious to me that this is another improvised response because you tried too quick to catch someone out again.

My head hurts. It just never ends does it. 'And it was my opinion too'. We know, yeah. Smashing stuff.

*sigh*

It's only through putting that post together that I remember your insane ability to create an argument from nothing. To hell with it. You are making me sound riddiculous and I'm giving in to you which is my fault.

You're the one who is arguing. Not I. I merely clarified my stance and to what I was referring to on the subject matter. I'm certainly not making you sound ridiculous. You're the master of your own fate as you readily agree to in your final sentence.

[Vicky.]

Can we keep on topic please :bored:

[InOne]

Well Escorts are seen as sociopathic business women and prostitues are seen as crack heads

[Stu]

A valid, worthwhile observation, Joe.

[Livia]

I think the only difference may be the price.

[Omah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom

In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not a crime, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

In England and Wales and in Northern Ireland it is an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been “subjected to force” and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they didn’t know the prostitute was forced).

It is illegal to buy sex from a person younger than 18, although the age of consent for non-commercial sex is 16.

According to the present law, one prostitute may work from an indoor premises, but if there are two or more prostitutes the place is considered a brothel and it is an offence.

The total number of prostitutes is not known and is difficult to assess, but authorities and NGOs estimate that approximately 100,000 persons in the country are engaged in prostitution. The personal circumstances of prostitutes are not clear and are, as elsewhere, the subject of political controversy.

The sex trade takes different forms, such as prostitution practiced in massage parlors, saunas, private flats, street prostitution and escort prostitution. The enforcement of the anti-prostitution laws is very lax.

According to a 2009 study by TAMPEP, of all prostitutes in the UK, 41% were foreigners - however in London this percentage was 80%. The total number of migrant prostitutes was significantly lower than in other Western countries (such as Spain and Italy where the percentage of all migrant prostitutes was 90%). The migrant prostitutes came from: Central Europe 43%, Baltic 10%, Eastern Europe 7%, Balkan 4%, other EU countries 16%, Latin America 10%, Asia, 7%, Africa 2%, North America 1%. 35 different countries of origin were identified.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003728/Slavery-problem-UK-trafficking-women-prostitution.html#ixzz1X1fyhIjK

Slavery is as much of a problem in the UK today as when it was abolished 'due to trafficking of women into prostitution'

The Centre for Social Justice will launch a review of slavery and human trafficking as estimates show at least 6,000 women have been trafficked into the UK and forced into prostitution.


:eek:

[Pyramid*]

Well Escorts are seen as sociopathic business women and prostitues are seen as crack heads

Really. That is an incredibly blinkered view in my opinion.

There ar prostitutes are out there, because they have no core skills to fall back on, and legal basic wages are not enough for them to survive on and desperation turns them to having to sell their bodies to allow them to keep a roof over their heads, feed, clothe their children - and genearlly just exist.

Yes, there are a great many that have to resort to it to feed drug habits: but let's not tar all with the same brush.

It's for these very reasons that I believe that prostitution should be made legal.

[InOne]

Really. That is an incredibly blinkered view in my opinion.

There ar prostitutes are out there, because they have no core skills to fall back on, and legal basic wages are not enough for them to survive on and desperation turns them to having to sell their bodies to allow them to keep a roof over their heads, feed, clothe their children - and genearlly just exist.

Yes, there are a great many that have to resort to it to feed drug habits: but let's not tar all with the same brush.

It's for these very reasons that I believe that prostitution should be made legal.

I think my point still stand tbh

Escorts are cold hearted women making rich men fall in love with them so they get can all they can out of them

Prostitutes are women on the street chasing crack and whatever who will give it up for very little.

It's reality dear.

[Pyramid*]

I think my point still stand tbh

Escorts are cold hearted women making rich men fall in love with them so they get can all they can out of them

Prostitutes are women on the street chasing crack and whatever who will give it up for very little.

It's reality dear.

I didn't say your point didn't still stand. I said that I found it to be a very blinkered viewpoint. Escorts make rich men fall in love with them? PMSL. Life isn't like Pretty Woman!!

And you can quit right now with the patronising sarcastic, 'It's reality 'dear' comment. It's downright rude, as well as facetious and totally uncalled for.

[Omah]

I think my point still stand tbh

Escorts are cold hearted women making rich men fall in love with them so they get can all they can out of them

Prostitutes are women on the street chasing crack and whatever who will give it up for very little.

It's reality dear.

That view is extremely simplistic and very far from "reality" ..... :idc:

[Lee.]

I think in general the term "escort" is just a posher name for a ***** than "prostitute"

Having said that, there is such a thing as an actual escort, who is paid well for basically providing company and looking pretty for a night.

[Pyramid*]

I think in general the term "escort" is just a posher name for a ***** than "prostitute"

Having said that, there is such a thing as an actual escort, who is paid well for basically providing company and looking pretty for a night.



Now to me a ***** is simply a female who puts it out like a dog on heat - minus the money taking.

BIB - yes indeed. There is such a think as an actual escort - offering the service you have described above.

[InOne]

I didn't say your point didn't still stand. I said that I found it to be a very blinkered viewpoint. Escorts make rich men fall in love with them? PMSL. Life isn't like Pretty Woman!!

And you can quit right now with the patronising sarcastic, 'It's reality 'dear' comment. It's downright rude, as well as facetious and totally uncalled for.

Well the power a cunning woman can have over a rich man is astounding. Women like that aren't on the street for a reason.

[Pyramid*]

Well the power a cunning woman can have over a rich man is astounding. Women like that aren't on the street for a reason.

True, and that reason is not soley down to the one that you believe it to be. That is the reality of the situation.

As for the power cunning women have over rich men? I think you'll find it's the riches that allow the men to buy the woman. Hugh Heffner ring a bell, for starters?

[Zippy]

Escort covers a wider ground. It's not specifically about paying for sex even though that may be offered as part of the service.

Prostitution is about paying for a sex act.

Better question; are pornstars prostitutes?

[InOne]

True, and that reason is not soley down to the one that you believe it to be. That is the reality of the situation.

As for the power cunning women have over rich men? I think you'll find it's the riches that allow the men to buy the woman. Hugh Heffner ring a bell, for starters?

I think rich men also buy into the prospect of love

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1155502/Suspicious-teacher-exposes-double-life-girl-15-earning-100-000-year-upmarket-prostitute.html#ixzz1X1qp6SNF

A 15-year-old schoolgirl earned almost £100,000 a year working as a high-class prostitute, it was revealed yesterday.

By day the teenager attended classes but at night she was regularly paid hundreds of pounds for sex.

The girl, who cannot be identified because of her age, is believed to have been working for an escort agency based in Newcastle.

She lied about her age before going on to earn £1,700 a week, meeting dozens of men on school nights and at the weekend.

Her double life was exposed in November when a suspicious teacher searched her schoolbag and found condoms, a card with the name of her pimp and details of the agency she worked for.

The school alerted police and officers later searched the £200,000 family home in South Tyneside, finding £8,060 in cash hidden in the loft, a court heard.

Underage ..... and with a pimp ..... :eek:

[Livia]

The term "High-Class Prostitute" always makes me laugh.

It's about time all prostitution was legalised. It'd give the girls the protection they need and stop criminalising both the girls and the men for what is essentially a business transaction.

[Lee.]

I remember reading about a high class prostitute who made her living off one customer.. All she had to do was have dinner with him once a week then dress up in nice underwear and fling sticky buns at him. For each session she was paid 3k!! :shocked:

Now I ain't no ho, but if some wrinkly old man was willing to pay me 3 grand for flinging cakes at him, then I would be totally up for it!

[InOne]

The term "High-Class Prostitute" always makes me laugh.

It's about time all prostitution was legalised. It'd give the girls the protection they need and stop criminalising both the girls and the men for what is essentially a business transaction.

Yeah, they ban smoking in pubs but still allow girls to be sold as sex slaves :bored:

Seems like they mostly want to brush it under the carpet

[Pyramid*]

Escort covers a wider ground. It's not specifically about paying for sex even though that may be offered as part of the service.

Prostitution is about paying for a sex act.

Better question; are pornstars prostitutes?

Nah. Having consential sex is allowed. Having it filmed is allowed. Selling such movies for others to watch - all strictly above board.

The term "High-Class Prostitute" always makes me laugh.

It's about time all prostitution was legalised. It'd give the girls the protection they need and stop criminalising both the girls and the men for what is essentially a business transaction.

Absolutely agree 100%.

I remember reading about a high class prostitute who made her living off one customer.. All she had to do was have dinner with him once a week then dress up in nice underwear and fling sticky buns at him. For each session she was paid 3k!! :shocked:

Now I ain't no ho, but if some wrinkly old man was willing to pay me 3 grand for flinging cakes at him, then I would be totally up for it!

I'll go one further - I bet a lot who say they wouldn't do that, would be lying. :)

[Pyramid*]

Yeah, they ban smoking in pubs but still allow girls to be sold as sex slaves :bored:

Seems like they mostly want to brush it under the carpet

It's hardly 'allowed'. :bored: Do you have any idea how huge the sex slave trade is - and more importantly - why it exists, the people behind organising it, why they do it and the huge connection to that and the drug trade?

[InOne]

It's hardly 'allowed'. :bored: Do you have any idea how huge the sex slave trade is - and more importantly - why it exists, the people behind organising it, why they do it and the huge connection to that and the drug trade?

Obviously not allowed, but it still goes on. I think they should put far much more money into stopping it than they do, so it almost seems allowed at the moment.

[Shaun]

The only scenario I can imagine (though feel free to offer others) where a man hires an escort purely for show (to colleagues / family / friends) is if he was in the closet and afraid of coming out of it. Obviously then they'd not be in it for sex. But I struggle to believe any others (other than the weird fetishist Lee pointed out :laugh:) hire escorts for company.

[Zippy]

A lot of women hire male escorts to take them to certain do's or events they don't want to attend alone. Its actually very common.

I just don't think women crave sex enough to pay for it like men do. But they do crave company.

[Pyramid*]

Obviously not allowed, but it still goes on. I think they should put far much more money into stopping it than they do, so it almost seems allowed at the moment.

So too does drug dealing and drug taking seem allowed to go on at the moment in this country. How much money that comes from drug dealing in the UK do you think is connected to the sex slave trade from faraway shores etc, to which you are commenting on that is 'allowed' to go on?

Yet the drug connection seems to be given a wide berth by a great many, blind eyes turned by all those who happy sit there stoned, coked out of their head, happy to blithy stumble along in their ignornace (or complete dismissal) to accept the real connection that drugs and the sex trafficking trade go very much hand in hand: on the back of abusing those in abject poverty.

How much money do you think is spent tackling these issues if you think the current spend is not enough? How much money do you think the Government has available to tackle all these issues, along with everything else that they have to account for?

[Pyramid*]

The only scenario I can imagine (though feel free to offer others) where a man hires an escort purely for show (to colleagues / family / friends) is if he was in the closet and afraid of coming out of it. Obviously then they'd not be in it for sex. But I struggle to believe any others (other than the weird fetishist Lee pointed out :laugh:) hire escorts for company.

A lot of women hire male escorts to take them to certain do's or events they don't want to attend alone. Its actually very common.

I just don't think women crave sex enough to pay for it like men do. But they do crave company.

Correct Zippy. Many affluent woman use the services of Escort agencies for the very reason you have mentioned, as well as the reason that Shuan has made mention of in respect of men who wish not to be publically seen as not being hetro.

Life isn't all black and white, there are a great many variables.

[Zippy]

Nah. Having consential sex is allowed. Having it filmed is allowed. Selling such movies for others to watch - all strictly above board.

*consensual

Prostitutes have consensual sex too. Unless theyre forced into it which is a different matter.

And it may be legal but its still being paid to have sex. It's a legal form of prostitution. Well its kinda a redundant question anyways because most pornstars do escort work on the back of their porn fame. That's how they make their money because porn doesnt even pay much these days.

[InOne]

So too does drug dealing and drug taking seem allowed to go on at the moment in this country. How much money that comes from drug dealing in the UK do you think is connected to the sex slave trade from faraway shores etc, to which you are commenting on that is 'allowed' to go on?

Yet the drug connection seems to be given a wide berth by a great many, blind eyes turned by all those who happy sit there stoned, coked out of their head, happy to blithy stumble along in their ignornace (or complete dismissal) to accept the real connection that drugs and the sex trafficking trade go very much hand in hand: on the back of abusing those in abject poverty.

How much money do you think is spent tackling these issues if you think the current spend is not enough? How much money do you think the Government has available to tackle all these issues, along with everything else that they have to account for?

Well I guess you're talking about the masses there. Did you ever see that doc about the police unit who is totally focused on the sex trade? I'm talking about them, they should have more money put into them. Drugs have been a problem for years, yes it's linked but they could break the link by putting more money into that unit.

[Pyramid*]

*consensual

Prostitutes have consensual sex too. Unless theyre forced into it which is a different matter.

And it may be legal but its still being paid to have sex. It's a legal form of prostitution. Well its kinda a redundant question anyways because most pornstars do escort work on the back of their porn fame. That's how they make their money because porn doesnt even pay much these days.

*they're
*it's
*anyway
*doesn't

:tongue:


Aha..but you were asking about pornstars being regarded as being in the same realm as prostitution. They aren't paid to have sex. They are paid to be filmed having sex. There is a diffference.

[Pyramid*]

Well I guess you're talking about the masses there. Did you ever see that doc about the police unit who is totally focused on the sex trade? I'm talking about them, they should have more money put into them. Drugs have been a problem for years, yes it's linked but they could break the link by putting more money into that unit.

It's a vicious circle and it's extremely fair to say that the drugs trade and the sex trade: that far more money is available for those trades to remain functioning, than there are funds available to be put into stopping it.

Of course I'm talking about the masses: the drug and sex trade is massive. It's not run globally from some wee portakabin off a Columbian high street.

[InOne]

It's a vicious circle and it's extremely fair to say that the drugs trade and the sex trade: that far more money is available for those trades to remain functioning, than there are funds available to be put into stopping it.

Of course I'm talking about the masses: the drug and sex trade is massive. It's not run globally from some wee portakabin off a Columbian high street.

Yeah, so I still think that unit should have more money to stop the sex slave trade. Does that not seem reasonable?

[MTVN]

*they're
*it's
*anyway
*doesn't

:tongue:


Aha..but you were asking about pornstars being regarded as being in the same realm as prostitution. They aren't paid to have sex. They are paid to be filmed having sex. There is a diffference.

Hmm it's a very fine line, the absence of a camera is essentially the only real difference

[Pyramid*]

Yeah, so I still think that unit should have more money to stop the sex slave trade. Does that not seem reasonable?

If we lived in a world where money was in limitless supply as far as Fiscal Policy was concerned, then yes.

As it is: funds that would be needed for any real impact to be made, simply are unavailable. So no, on that score, I wouldn't agree it to be reasonable.

What I would find more reasonable is that people in this country who break the law and add to the whole problem by buying drugs - stop doing so. That would certainly help a little along the way - take away the demand, and the supply chain falters.

[Pyramid*]

Hmm it's a very fine line, the absence of a camera is essentially the only real difference

Fine line or not, the line is there: and therein lies the difference, regardless.

[InOne]

If we lived in a world where money was in limitless supply as far as Fiscal Policy was concerned, then yes.

As it is: funds that would be needed for any real impact to be made, simply are unavailable. So no, on that score, I wouldn't agree it to be reasonable.

What I would find more reasonable is that people in this country who break the law and add to the whole problem by buying drugs - stop doing so. That would certainly help a little along the way - take away the demand, and the supply chain falters.

Well not much we can do about that, always happened and always will. Drugs are a part of life.

[MTVN]

Fine line or not, the line is there: and therein lies the difference, regardless.

Sure but what is the actual significance of the fact that in one profession the sex is recorded and in the other it isn't? You don't really seem to think there is any

[Pyramid*]

Well not much we can do about that, always happened and always will. Drugs are a part of life.

And conversely, so too is the sex slave trade. Most certainly, nothing will improve if everyone had that attitude. Always happened and always will. Sex is a part of life. (see what I did there!)

And on that note: I will bid you goodnight. Sleep well. It's been a pleasure!

[Pyramid*]

Sure but what is the actual significance of the fact that in one profession the sex is recorded and in the other it isn't? You don't really seem to think there is any


They are not being paid to have sex with someone. They are being paid to allow their sex act to be filmed, that is the significant factor. Paid to allow their sex act to be filmed.

Clearly there is a difference, as you have already acceded to.

[Zippy]

Fine line or not, the line is there: and therein lies the difference, regardless.

Prostitution is not a legal term

Pornstars are prostitutes being filmed. They're not being filmed baking cakes.

[InOne]

And conversely, so too is the sex slave trade. Most certainly, nothing will improve if everyone had that attitude. Always happened and always will. Sex is a part of life. (see what I did there!)

And on that note: I will bid you goodnight. Sleep well. It's been a pleasure!

Sex is a part of life, but being sold for sex isn't. There is a difference, we're talking about a different kind of sex trade here. Like girls being promised a job ending up being sold for sex, or even in some cases being sold in their own country. Drugs does not come into it.

[MTVN]

They are not being paid to have sex with someone. They are being paid to allow their sex act to be filmed, that is the significant factor. Paid to allow their sex act to be filmed.

Clearly there is a difference, as you have already acceded to.

Except they are being paid to have sex with someone, that's something of a necessity in making a porn film. They are not "allowing" their sex act to be filmed, they are having sex purely so that it can be filmed

Yeah there is a difference but an incredibly small one, that is not particularly significant and one that doesn't merit one profession being perfectly legal and the other being completely criminal

[Pyramid*]

Sex is a part of life, but being sold for sex isn't. There is a difference, we're talking about a different kind of sex trade here. Like girls being promised a job ending up being sold for sex, or even in some cases being sold in their own country. Drugs does not come into it.

If you believe drugs do not come into it, then you are more naive than I ever would have thought you to be.

Except they are being paid to have sex with someone, that's something of a necessity in making a porn film. They are not "allowing" their sex act to be filmed, they are having sex purely so that it can be filmed

Yeah there is a difference but an incredibly small one, that is not particularly significant and one that doesn't merit one profession being perfectly legal and the other being completely criminal

Nope - money changing hands for sexual services, that would be illegal. ;) Having sex to allow it be be filmed is not illegal. Point proven.

"Yeah there is a difference". Again: you admit there is a difference. Hence why it is NOT the same. ;)

[Vicky.]

I view pornstars as not much different to prostitutes. The only difference I can see is that one is filmed and shared around, allowing others to watch, and the other isnt.

They both are getting paid to have sex.

[Pyramid*]

I view pornstars as not much different to prostitutes. The only difference I can see is that one is filmed and shared around, allowing others to watch, and the other isnt.

They both are getting paid to have sex.

A completely understandable point of view. But legally, there is a difference, otherwise porn movies would be illegal. The fine line is most certainly there - but it's still there. Whether we all agree on it or not: the line is there as far as the law is concerned.

[Vicky.]

A completely understandable point of view. But legally, there is a difference, otherwise porn movies would be illegal. The fine line is most certainly there - but it's still there. Whether we all agree on it or not: the line is there as far as the law is concerned.
The law is a little bit backwards when it comes to a lot of things tbh :p

[Pyramid*]

The law is a little bit backwards when it comes to a lot of things tbh :p

It is indeed. Makes the world an interesting and quirky place to live in though!

[Vicky.]

OK this is the last time I will say it. Can everyone stop with the snipes and digs and trying to get one over on each other. We should be able to debate without all this crap :/

[Niamh.]

Escort covers a wider ground. It's not specifically about paying for sex even though that may be offered as part of the service.

Prostitution is about paying for a sex act.

Better question; are pornstars prostitutes?

Oh, now there's an interesting question, why are pornstars allowed to be paid to have sex but prostitutes aren't? Seems the same thing to me.

[Niamh.]

Except they are being paid to have sex with someone, that's something of a necessity in making a porn film. They are not "allowing" their sex act to be filmed, they are having sex purely so that it can be filmed

Yeah there is a difference but an incredibly small one, that is not particularly significant and one that doesn't merit one profession being perfectly legal and the other being completely criminal

I agree, so does that mean if the guy filmed himself having sex with the prostitute it would then be legal? :conf:

[Omah]

I agree, so does that mean if the guy filmed himself having sex with the prostitute it would then be legal? :conf:

In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not a crime, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

[Livia]

In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not a crime, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

Bugger... I was going pandering this weekend.

[Niamh.]

In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not a crime, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

It's a bit ridiculous really, I mean I don't understand how abortion is legal, because it's a womans right and it's her own body etc etc but then she doesn't have the right to charge men for sex with her own body.

[Omah]

It's a bit ridiculous really, I mean I don't understand how abortion is legal, because it's a womans right and it's her own body etc etc but then she doesn't have the right to charge men for sex with her own body.

She does :

In England and Wales and in Northern Ireland it is ONLY an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been “subjected to force” and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they didn’t know the prostitute was forced).

It is illegal to buy sex from a person younger than 18, although the age of consent for non-commercial sex is 16.

[Livia]

She does :

In England and Wales and in Northern Ireland it is ONLY an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been “subjected to force” and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they didn’t know the prostitute was forced).

It is illegal to buy sex from a person younger than 18, although the age of consent for non-commercial sex is 16.

I think you're misinterpreting legal intricacies that take years to learn.

[Niamh.]

I'm confused, is prostitution legal in the UK then? I know they're not here:conf:

[MTVN]

The UK law sounds a bit complicated, seems that it might be alright for one person to pay another person to have sex with them but then there's loads of laws surrounding it which makes it almost impossible to do so legally

This is from the BBC:

The laws around prostitution in England and Wales are far from straight-forward. The act of prostitution is not in itself illegal - but a string of laws criminalises activities around it. Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is an offence to cause or incite prostitution or control it for personal gain.

The 1956 Sexual Offences Act bans running a brothel and it's against the law to loiter or solicit sex on the street. Kerb-crawling is also banned, providing it can be shown the individual was causing a persistent annoyance.

Adverts placed in phone boxes have been banned since 2001. Human trafficking, a component of modern prostitution, is also covered by the law. There are also general laws on public nuisance and decency which can be used to target the sex trade.
The law in Scotland is broadly similar but was recently toughened up around kerb crawling and seeking the services of a prostitute.

[Omah]

I think you're misinterpreting legal intricacies that take years to learn.

No, I'm not :

What is the current law on prostitution?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7736436.stm


The laws around prostitution in England and Wales are far from straight-forward. The act of prostitution is not in itself illegal - but a string of laws criminalises activities around it. Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is an offence to cause or incite prostitution or control it for personal gain.

The 1956 Sexual Offences Act bans running a brothel and it's against the law to loiter or solicit sex on the street. Kerb-crawling is also banned, providing it can be shown the individual was causing a persistent annoyance.

Adverts placed in phone boxes have been banned since 2001. Human trafficking, a component of modern prostitution, is also covered by the law. There are also general laws on public nuisance and decency which can be used to target the sex trade.

[Niamh.]

The UK law sounds a bit complicated, seems that it might be alright for one person to pay another person to have sex with them but then there's loads of laws surrounding it which makes it almost impossible to do so legally

This is from the BBC:

So basically you can do it but you can't advertise yourself or the service?

[Omah]

So basically you can do it but you can't advertise yourself or the service?

Yes ..... and doing it under any form of duress is illegal

[MTVN]

So basically you can do it but you can't advertise yourself or the service?

Yeah I guess so and it can't really be done as a business or any kind of organisation

[Niamh.]

hhmmm, why else would you be having sex for money other than as a business transaction though?

[Livia]

No, I'm not :

What is the current law on prostitution?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7736436.stm

Omah, I wrote a dissertation on the Sexual Offences Act as part of my degree. Believe me, it was complicated enough for me not to want to have a tit-for-tat discussion with you unless you can do it without the cut and paste function and without reading from snippets of info you're finding as a result of Googling.

[Omah]

Wednesday 19 November 2008 09.15 GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/nov/19/prostitution-justice

New prostitution laws to be set out today will mean a plea of ignorance is no defence for men facing prosecution for buying sex from a woman who has been trafficked or is being exploited by a pimp.

Under proposals to be published today by the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, a man who pays for sex with a woman who has been trafficked or is under the control of a pimp could face a charge of rape, which carries a potential life sentence.

The new offence of paying for sex with somebody who is "controlled for another person's gain" is to carry a hefty fine and a criminal record.

The decision to criminalise men who pay for sex with trafficked women is likely to have a widespread impact. The Metropolitan police have estimated that 70% of the 88,000 women involved in prostitution in England and Wales are under the control of traffickers.

It forms part of a wider package of reforms to tackle street prostitution, including prosecuting first-time kerb crawlers and implementing stronger police powers to close down brothels.

[MTVN]

hhmmm, why else would you be having sex for money other than as a business transaction though?

I've no idea :shrug: All seems a bit complicated, I'd always just thought prostitution was illegal and that was that

[Omah]

Omah, I wrote a dissertation on the Sexual Offences Act as part of my degree. Believe me, it was complicated enough for me not to want to have a tit-for-tat discussion with you unless you can do it without the cut and paste function and without reading from snippets of info you're finding as a result of Googling.

Nothing I have said is incorrect ..... :nono:

[Niamh.]

I've no idea :shrug: All seems a bit complicated, I'd always just thought prostitution was illegal and that was that

me too, I don't know why they have to make things so complicated, it obviously is illegal but they don't want to just say that for some reason.

[bananarama]

The whole of society and dating is based on prostitution. Date a lass and buy a meal you are paying for sex. Accept a meal and give sex you are prostituting........

Anyone who thinks they are better than prostitutes and clients are deluding themselves.....

[Ammi]

Is there a difference between prostitution and escorts, I don't know? Seems to me to be one of those things though that doesn't really get addressed properly though. It feels a bit like 'well you can do this, but you can't do that' and I don't see what difference it makes. Imo it should be made more clear and legalised so that women do not continue to be exploited, hurt and abused because they are vulnerable to the illegalities of it

[Livia]

Nothing I have said is incorrect ..... :nono:

You haven't really said anything. You've just cut and pasted some stuff you found online. Opinion is one thing, interpreting what is a very intricate law is something else.

[Livia]

The whole of society and dating is based on prostitution. Date a lass and buy a meal you are paying for sex. Accept a meal and give sex you are prostituting........

Anyone who thinks they are better than prostitutes and clients are deluding themselves.....

What a sad, bitter little view you must have of people.

[Omah]

You haven't really said anything. You've just cut and pasted some stuff you found online. Opinion is one thing, interpreting what is a very intricate law is something else.

Of course ..... :thumbs:

But some posters believe that prostitution, per se, is illegal in the UK, which, apparently, is not the case ..... ;)

Of course, I stand to be corrected if you can provide links to learned sources ..... :idc:

[Pyramid*]

Of course ..... :thumbs:

But some posters believe that prostitution, per se, is illegal in the UK, which, apparently, is not the case ..... ;)

Of course, I stand to be corrected if you can provide links to learned sources ..... :idc:

True, and some posters, dare I say MOST posters on here - as well as the vast majority of the public will be under the same perception - given the finely detailed intricacies surrounding the matter.

the concept remains the same - and it is that very fine line that determines what is legal and what is not. (whether we agree with the finer details or not).

[Locke.]

Escorts usually tend to be better looking

[Zippy]

It's just a load of moral BS no doubt linked to the church.

Giving the illusion of not condoning prostitution but still allowing it to happen. It goes on everywhere these days and is not even subtle. I think it's just basically streetwalkers who are targetted because they can be a nuisance to the residence of the area.

[Pyramid*]

Prostitution is not a legal term

Pornstars are prostitutes being filmed. They're not being filmed baking cakes.

You clearly don't watch enough porn movies Zippy. A great many start off with pornstars sweating over a hot oven, wearing their pretty little aprons, filling little baking trays.
:tongue:

[Pyramid*]

It's just a load of moral BS no doubt linked to the church.

Giving the illusion of not condoning prostitution but still allowing it to happen. It goes on everywhere these days and is not even subtle. I think it's just basically streetwalkers who are targetted because they can be a nuisance to the residence of the area.

*residents

No matter how it is broken down - there is a difference - moral BS or not - that difference remains. Ludicrious as it may seem.... it does not alter the facts.

[Omah]

You clearly don't watch enough porn movies Zippy. A great many start off with pornstars sweating over a hot oven, wearing their pretty little aprons.
:tongue:

I like watching them take out their buns ..... ;)

[Pyramid*]

I like watching them take out their buns ..... ;)

now I think of it, many men enjoy the cherries too that are filmed and can be seen in such movies too. ;) *women too if that's yer thing!!*

[Omah]

now I think of it, many men enjoy the cherries too that are filmed and can be seen in such movies too. ;) *women too if that's yer thing!!*

Popping a cherry or two is always an enjoyable experience ..... :evilgrin:

[Ammi]

I like watching them take out their buns ..... ;)


Mine are usually burnt and shrivelled when I get them out:bawling:

[Omah]

Mine are usually burnt and shrivelled when I get them out:bawling:

"Burnt" !

What are you doint to them ..... :eek:

[Pyramid*]

"Burnt" !

What are you doint to them ..... :eek:

Too much friction Omah. Too much friction. :shocked:

[spitfire]

Is there a difference between prostitutes and escorts?

About £200.

[Pyramid*]

Is there a difference between prostitutes and escorts?

About £200.

And this apparently.......

Escorts usually tend to be better looking

[Omah]

Too much friction Omah. Too much friction. :shocked:

:dance2:

[Pyramid*]

:dance2:

I was thinking of the movies where female is down on hands and knees....you know, trying to mop up stains from the carpet and suchlike. Another good ploy to start off pornomovies.... so I hear anyway!!! :joker:

[lostalex]

i don;'t have problem with prostitutes or escorts, i think unfortuntately there is alot of human trafficking, and many girls in volved in prostitution, and escorting, and slaves.

I wish it was legal so there could be more regulation, and more protection for the girls. If it was legal then the girls could be more protected.

[Pyramid*]

i don;'t have problem with prostitutes or escorts, i think unfortuntately there is alot of human trafficking, and many girls in volved in prostitution, and escorting, and slaves.

I wish it was legal so there could be more regulation, and more protection for the girls. If it was legal then the girls could be more protected.



Absolutely agree with what you have said.