Bulldozers to move into Dale Farm on 19/9/11 with the gypsys inside

[Tom]

After my other thread was rudely locked, and after seeing the squatter discussion I thought this would be a good topic

Is it right that they're being forced to leave despite owning the land and being on one place? Or is it their own fault for not getting planning permission and building on green belt land?

I'm more shocked its taken 10 years to take such action.

More info here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033765/Dale-Farm-eviction-Travellers-gear-defend-illegal-site-receiving-eviction-notice.html

[Zippy]

I haven't followed the story enough to give a definite opinion. But they will have to live somewhere eventually and you're basically just moving the problem around. If theyve been there for 10 years then it may just be best all round to let them stay.

But again, I'm not up on all the facts so..

[Tom]

I haven't followed the story enough to give a definite opinion. But they will have to live somewhere eventually and you're basically just moving the problem around. If theyve been there for 10 years then it may just be best all round to let them stay.

But again, I'm not up on all the facts so..

They're mainly being moved on because its greenbelt land and they didn't sought planning permission. But you could liken it to council estates up and down the country being bulldozed for 'urban regeneration'

[InOne]

Well to be fair they are "travellers".

I'm sure they'll be right.

[Pyramid*]

They're mainly being moved on because its greenbelt land and they didn't sought planning permission. But you could liken it to council estates up and down the country being bulldozed for 'urban regeneration'

No one else should get away with it...why should they be any different from anyone else who has to follow the law?

[Vicky.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-14804705

Wanted 6m to move out :shocked:

[arista]

Big Brother Winner Paddy
was Live on SkyNews.


Saying they are people help them.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/19/article-2038820-0DF9B06C00000578-23_634x442.jpg
Dangerous protest: Emma, right, is attached to
a scaffolding pole with a bike chain around her neck.
She and fellow protester Dean, left, are also handcuffed to a pole inside the barrel

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038820/Dale-Farm-eviction-As-bailiffs-prepare-travellers-organise-war-meetings.html#ixzz1YPDVpylf


They can go in a Side way away from the protester gangs

[Livia]

Get in there with some bolt croppers and a Kango, remove the misguided lefties and woolly-minded hand-wringers and throw the lot of them off the land they are now occupying illegally. If the travellers hadn't broken the law in the first place they'd not be in the process of being evicted now. You can't claim special privileges because you are a minority. You must live by the laws on the land in which you choose to live.

[arista]

Get in there with some bolt croppers and a Kango, remove the misguided lefties and woolly-minded hand-wringers and throw the lot of them off the land they are now occupying illegally. If the travellers hadn't broken the law in the first place they'd not be in the process of being evicted now. You can't claim special privileges because you are a minority. You must live by the laws on the land in which you choose to live.


Better to go round the Side
and break in leaving those at the front.


SkyNews think they will try to enter tomorrow.
Also just shown on SkyNews
a pile of Rocks ready to use against the Police.
Ballons full of paint etc.

[Kazanne]

I see both sides I think,these travellers actually bought the land which I presume the council greedily took the money for,however the travellers have built on it and have lived there for TEN years,the council now want to move them on,will they give them their money back?Do the travellers pay council tax and for water etc?if not that's not fair to all other people that have to,but we do pay lots of housing benefit and council tax for loads of benefit scroungers,so cant see much difference really and these people are human beings they need somewhere to live,have they been offered permanent housing,I heard some had and refused ! so it's a hard one really to answer with any certainty.

[joeysteele]

I see both sides I think,these travellers actually bought the land which I presume the council greedily took the money for,however the travellers have built on it and have lived there for TEN years,the council now want to move them on,will they give them their money back?Do the travellers pay council tax and for water etc?if not that's not fair to all other people that have to,but we do pay lots of housing benefit and council tax for loads of benefit scroungers,so cant see much difference really and these people are human beings they need somewhere to live,have they been offered permanent housing,I heard some had and refused ! so it's a hard one really to answer with any certainty.

I can see both sides too,especially after Kelvin Mckenzie spouting out with his hysterics on This Morning made me re-think how I thought a bit too.

They shouldn't have built on the land but did buy it. I don't know if they pay water rates or council tax, I would doubt they do but cannot say for certain.

It's costing £18 million pound to evict them anyway,it seems there is little common sense on both sides on this one. It's hard to believe some better compromise could not have been thought of and talked through rather than reach where things are now after 10 years too.What has been going on all that time?

[Kazanne]

I can see both sides too,especially after Kelvin Mckenzie spouting out with his hysterics on This Morning made me re-think how I thought a bit too.

They shouldn't have built on the land but did buy it. I don't know if they pay water rates or council tax, I would doubt they do but cannot say for certain.

It's costing £18 million pound to evict them anyway,it seems there is little common sense on both sides on this one. It's hard to believe some better compromise could not have been thought of and talked through rather than reach where things are now after 10 years too.What has been going on all that time?

Well said Joey,I can't help feel a bit sorry for the kids,are they in school?I heard some of them are being schooled properly,it's hard to know where to go on this one,I just hope someone doesn't get hurt.

[Livia]

I see both sides I think,these travellers actually bought the land which I presume the council greedily took the money for,however the travellers have built on it and have lived there for TEN years,the council now want to move them on,will they give them their money back?Do the travellers pay council tax and for water etc?if not that's not fair to all other people that have to,but we do pay lots of housing benefit and council tax for loads of benefit scroungers,so cant see much difference really and these people are human beings they need somewhere to live,have they been offered permanent housing,I heard some had and refused ! so it's a hard one really to answer with any certainty.

if they did buy the land from the council, they would have been made even more aware that planning permission would be limited, if it was granted at all. They were granted permission for a number of homes but built three times the amount, putting a strain on the roads, the schools, gas, electric, water etc. by building and living there with no planning permission. If they get away with this they will be setting a dangerous legal precident and open up opportunities for everyone to throw up buildings and then claim they are a special case.

I also heard they'd been offered permanent housing and refused. I've also read in the newspaper and online that most of these people own homes in Ireland already. I don't know if any of that is true.

I have travellers living near me. They got planning permission for their site, their kids attend the local school, they take part in local events and stuff and I have to say, they seem to be really nice people. Dale Farm makes it bad for people like them, other travellers who abide by the law.

[Livia]

I can see both sides too,especially after Kelvin Mckenzie spouting out with his hysterics on This Morning made me re-think how I thought a bit too.

They shouldn't have built on the land but did buy it. I don't know if they pay water rates or council tax, I would doubt they do but cannot say for certain.

It's costing £18 million pound to evict them anyway,it seems there is little common sense on both sides on this one. It's hard to believe some better compromise could not have been thought of and talked through rather than reach where things are now after 10 years too.What has been going on all that time?

That's all very understanding Joey, but as you know, once a legal precident has been set, other people will use it to bend and break the law in the same way.

It#s been going on so long because it takes years to bring a case like this.

The only compromise that should have been reached is that the travellers should have applied for planning permission and if they didn't get it, they should have abided by the law. You would have to, I would have to... why would anyone think the travellers are a special case?

[Kazanne]

if they did buy the land from the council, they would have been made even more aware that planning permission would be limited, if it was granted at all. They were granted permission for a number of homes but built three times the amount, putting a strain on the roads, the schools, gas, electric, water etc. by building and living there with no planning permission. If they get away with this they will be setting a dangerous legal precident and open up opportunities for everyone to throw up buildings and then claim they are a special case.

I also heard they'd been offered permanent housing and refused. I've also read in the newspaper and online that most of these people own homes in Ireland already. I don't know if any of that is true.

I have travellers living near me. They got planning permission for their site, their kids attend the local school, they take part in local events and stuff and I have to say, they seem to be really nice people. Dale Farm makes it bad for people like them, other travellers who abide by the law.


Thanks for that info Livia,must say I don't know that much about their lives,from what you say it does seem that they have broken the law,but part of me still feels a bit sorry for them.Any idea why they refused permanent housing?

[arista]

Ch4 Dispatches 8PM tonight
is on this Eviction.

Today reports on Radio 5 Debate 9AM
said some of these that live here have homes as well.

So some of this is a Scam.

[Livia]

Thanks for that info Livia,must say I don't know that much about their lives,from what you say it does seem that they have broken the law,but part of me still feels a bit sorry for them.Any idea why they refused permanent housing?

I don't know if they were offered permanent housing Kazanne. I read that they were, and that they refused because it was against their culture. Of course, it's not wise to believe everything you read in the papers, as you know!

[spitfire]

Send in the Para's.

[arista]

I don't know if they were offered permanent housing Kazanne. I read that they were, and that they refused because it was against their culture. Of course, it's not wise to believe everything you read in the papers, as you know!


The Council offered Proper Homes
but they refused to take them.

[arista]

Send in the Para's.



Thats a Point
use Helicopters to Drop police in

[Omah]

They fought the law and the law won - send in the Ghurkas ..... :evilgrin:

[Kazanne]

I don't know if they were offered permanent housing Kazanne. I read that they were, and that they refused because it was against their culture. Of course, it's not wise to believe everything you read in the papers, as you know!

But surely by their very name'travellers'would mean that it is not their culture to have a permanent address which begs the question,Why have they built permanent homes on the site,Oh dear this one is very complicated lets hope it gets sorted without much harm to anyone.I am wondering if the council are kicking up a fuss because it was greenbelt land or because local people have complained.

[Suze]

Well said Joey,I can't help feel a bit sorry for the kids,are they in school?I heard some of them are being schooled properly,it's hard to know where to go on this one,I just hope someone doesn't get hurt.

I agree with you and Joey. There are good and bad points on both sides. If there was money involved for purchase of the land, then they need to be compensated for it. If housing is offered, they need to take it at least for now, so their children at least have a roof over their heads. But the whole situation definitely needs further looking into imo.

[arista]

Why are they getting loads of Rocks, ready
to chuck at Police?

Ref: SkyNews Live

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/19/article-2038820-0DFA450F00000578-842_634x286.jpg


Fine - leave the Gate alone

Go round the Side
and use Helicopters to also enter/

[arista]

A Temp Injunction
from the High Courts mean structures must remain
due to a very ill lady.

Ref : SkyNews Live.

[InOne]

There is a dispatches on this tonight at 8. Ch4

[Vicky.]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/19/article-2038820-0DFA450F00000578-842_634x286.jpg


Im sorry, but this shouldnt put anyone off. Its her thats stupid enough to tie her neck to the gate, she should suffer the consequences. I know it doesnt quite work like that though, but it should. Listening to that sign, is pretty much giving in to blackmail. Call their bluff I say.

I have no sympathy for rubbish like this at all :bored:

[arista]

Im sorry, but this shouldnt put anyone off. Its her thats stupid enough to tie her neck to the gate, she should suffer the consequences. I know it doesnt quite work like that though, but it should. Listening to that sign, is pretty much giving in to blackmail. Call their bluff I say.

I have no sympathy for rubbish like this at all :bored:


No if you open the Gate it Kills her.
sure its a scam.
She is smoking & has chain around her neck


They are blocking the Emergencey route.

[arista]

There is a dispatches on this tonight at 8. Ch4



Yes I posted that page before


ITV1 London Local news
has sexy firm Natasha Kaplinsky
live outside the dale farm

[Vicky.]

No if you open the Gate it Kills her.
sure its a scam.
She is smoking & has chain around her neck


They are blocking the Emergencey route.

And dont open the gate and you are giving in to stupidity :hmph:

[arista]

And dont open the gate and you are giving in to stupidity :hmph:


They can enter round the side.

[Omah]

I wouldn't be surprised if vigilantes fire-bomb the place tonight as a reaction to the smug gypsy faces celebrating the stop-gap injunction ..... ;)

[arista]

I wouldn't be surprised if vigilantes fire-bomb the place tonight as a reaction to the smug gypsy faces celebrating the stop-gap injunction ..... ;)



No I would think not
to many Police about.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/19/article-2038820-0DFC0BE100000578-509_634x438.jpg

[Suze]

Im sorry, but this shouldnt put anyone off. Its her thats stupid enough to tie her neck to the gate, she should suffer the consequences. I know it doesnt quite work like that though, but it should. Listening to that sign, is pretty much giving in to blackmail. Call their bluff I say.

I have no sympathy for rubbish like this at all :bored:

(BIB)Ohh, you are hard hearted, Vicky :joker: :joker:

[Livia]

I agree with you and Joey. There are good and bad points on both sides. If there was money involved for purchase of the land, then they need to be compensated for it. If housing is offered, they need to take it at least for now, so their children at least have a roof over their heads. But the whole situation definitely needs further looking into imo.

They bought the land from a scrap dealer who operated a scrap yard from there. He sold the land to the travellers after after he had been refused permission to continue operating his business from there. The travellers bought it and moved on to it. The land cost them around £26,000. You cannot buy a building plot for £26,000 for one house, let alone a whole camp full of people of people - and you couldn't have ten years ago either.

[Niamh.]

They bought the land from a scrap dealer who operated a scrap yard from there. He sold the land to the travellers after after he had been refused permission to continue operating his business from there. The travellers bought it and moved on to it. The land cost them around £26,000. You cannot buy a building plot for £26,000 for one house, let alone a whole camp full of people of people - and you couldn't have ten years ago either.

Exactly. The reason land in green belt areas is so cheap is because all you can do is put a few cows on it. You can't build on it. It would be completely out of order and un fair to allow travellers to but not anyone else.

[arista]

Some Dale Farm travellers finally move on (to set up a new illegal site down the road in Luton)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039920/Dale-Farm-eviction-Travellers-new-illegal-camp-Luton.html#ixzz1YafjOJ6C

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/21/article-2039920-0E042A0F00000578-387_634x388.jpg

[Omah]

The High Court is to decide later whether residents can be evicted from the UK's largest illegal travellers' site.

Basildon Council is hoping to overturn an injunction won by residents of Dale Farm in Essex stopping the clearance.

The council said it had complied with Monday's court ruling requiring it to give residents a plot-by-plot breakdown of how it plans to clear the site*.

The Royal Courts of Justice hearing is due to begin at 11:00 BST.

* "Bombs away!"

:thumbs:

[arista]

Today is the Day Bailiffs and Police
can enter Dale Farm.

This time round they are not telling the Criminals inside
when they are going in.


The War is On

[arista]

Its started the police
are all ready - to help the the bailiffs


And they are at the back - as well.
And the Have Diggers

Thats Clever.


Live On SkyNews.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6F9D1D00000578-911_634x298.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6F91D900000578-743_634x300.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6F923D00000578-87_634x286.jpg
Dale Farm clearance: Bailiffs were
entering the rear of the site as
they prepared to start removing the illegal camp


Fireworks and Bricks are being Chucked at Police


The Council Leader Live on SkyNews
said due to the outsiders blocking the entrance
Police have the Right to break in.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6FA12500000578-366_634x340.jpg

A Outsider Protester Woman
set a Caravan alight - this is part of their plan.

Then she goes Live On Sky News and Radio 5
talking about Gaza.

With Live Rolling News
Scams like this are going down.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6FAB2400000578-648_634x428.jpg
A female protester who claims to be
of 'Palestinian bloodline' stands in front of a burning caravan

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15357932

Bricks and debris were thrown at police as they moved in to prepare the way for bailiffs clearing the illegal part of the UK's largest travellers' site.

Riot police entered the site after breaking down a rear fence just after 07:00 BST, prompting angry scenes.

The move came during discussions, described by supporters as a distraction, at the main gate.

The travellers lost a last-ditch attempt to stave off the evictions at the Court of Appeal on Monday.

Essex Police said two people had been Tasered and one arrested.

One caravan at the site has been set on fire.

Electricity supplies were cut and protesters wearing masks said this had turned off crucial medical equipment belonging to elderly residents.

At least 50 officers led the operation to clear the site. One resident said she had been hit by a baton. Another set fire to her own caravan.

'Heavily outnumbered'

The BBC's Jeremy Cooke, who is inside the camp, described it as a "very dramatic situation".

He said the protesters were "heavily outnumbered by the police".

"They have met with a lot of resistance here. Stones have been thrown, we've seen Tasers deployed," he said.

He added: "Police quickly moved through the site to the main gate once they had gained entry as this was the most important point. Bailiffs and heavy machinery have to come on to the site through this barricaded gate.

"There are people chained to it and about 25 activists on the overhead gantry who are determined to stay there, they say."

Cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war ..... :cheer2:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6FB7CA00000578-555_964x638.jpg

The Protester shouting about Gaza

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E70477E00000578-212_964x633.jpg

A Punk Trouble Maker is Removed

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6FBC9B00000578-272_964x514.jpg

Early this morning Woman Protester Attacks a Coppers face.

They have thrown rocks and bricks
and also Urine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just criminals using liberals to delay the inevitable.

[Scarlett.]

I like how they've randomly set fire to their own homes.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E6FB34A00000578-276_964x632.jpg
Yes adding to a Fire
Plastic Burning is Toxic.
Crazy Woman

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/19/article-2050762-0E70EF9900000578-587_470x671.jpg

A digger destroys the Entrance blockage.

[arista]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02031/dale-farm-baillif2_2031002c.jpg

Former Page 3 woman Marina Pepper now a protester
gets ready to attack the police.

Sign Of The Times

[King Gizzard]

''ye said ye'd come in peacefully''

Yeah, then you wouldn't move you silly bitch

[arista]

Yes They have all Walked Out


On ITV1 London News

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/20/article-2051238-0E74299E00000578-658_964x655.jpg

Dale Farm travellers finally pack up their OWN caravans as bailiffs move in

Last two protesters carried away kicking and shouting


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051238/Dale-Farm-eviction-Travellers-finally-pack-OWN-caravans-bailiffs-in.html#ixzz1bLJCVrlu

[King Gizzard]

Good

[Scarlett.]

Apparently that woman who was seen with the cross is an anarchist and just likes going from protest to protest

[King Gizzard]

Doesn't surprise me

Hate when they say ''you started this'' as well

Ermm..no..you were the one that chained yourself to a caravan you knobend

[MTVN]

A "professional protester" :laugh: This whole thing is a mess tbh, constant appeals and court cases have been going on for a decade, it should have been settled years ago, whilst I'm not saying they should get special privileges or anything there is a shortage of legal traveller sites in the country which is a problem that needs to be confronted

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061909/Dale-Farm-After-20m-eviction-comes-2nd-battle-travellers-site.html

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16111087

:bored:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/15/article-2061909-0ED058A200000578-87_634x414.jpg

Yes These Punks
are making it hard for the Legal Side folks

[King Gizzard]

Hope they destory them knobs

[Tom]

It was only a matter of time. Its time for the council to start to play dirty. They want to get all of the MOTs, tax and insurance on the vans and caravans checking, and removing any that are invalid whilst fining the owners.

The way the gypsys keep going on about how they haven't been offered alternative accommodation is ridiculous. They have and they refused it.

[Scarlett.]

Proving the law applies to anyone and no gypsies were victimised

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077112/Housing-giant-bulldozes-24-brand-new-homes-building-land-planning-permission.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/21/article-2077112-0F3F392A00000578-875_634x342.jpg

[Shasown]

Proving the law applies to anyone and no gypsies were victimised

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077112/Housing-giant-bulldozes-24-brand-new-homes-building-land-planning-permission.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/21/article-2077112-0F3F392A00000578-875_634x342.jpg

I thought Taylor Wimpey was owned by a travelling family.

Doesnt Wimpey stand for We Import More Paddies Every Year

I did change Paddies from something a little more offensive to travellers ;)

[Pyramid*]

Whilst it's a shame to see good housing go to ruin - I have no sympathy at all for WIMPEY.

They have all the money the need to ensure they stay on the right side of the Law and it's nice to see the Law being applied fairly when they don't.