What have Jedward done to deserve to win?

[InOne]

Seen as it's looking imminent. What have they really done?

[Chuck]

Their hardcore fans will vote like mad. :idc:

[Locke.]

Get the BREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Niamh.]

John winning that pose off sealed the deal :idc:

[CaudleHalbard]

What have Jedward done to deserve to win?

This :dance::dance:

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Sorry......... couldn't resist! :joker:

Does ANYONE "deserve" to win? Might as well be Jedward - the rest are a dead loss.

[Roy Mars III]

Not be Kerry Katona.

[snookered]

They've made me smile more than any of the others. And not when they've gone OTT.

[Niamh.]

Not be Kerry Katona.

:laugh3::laugh3:

[mizzy25]

well ive gone from finding them funny to not liking them to thinking there weird, to wanting to kill them to finding them funny again. shud they win????? i dont know but they have imo entertained.

[Incensed]

well ive gone from finding them funny to not liking them to thinking there weird, to wanting to kill them to finding them funny again. shud they win????? i dont know but they have imo entertained.


I posted the other night that I needed help as I was warming to them. Since then I've realised it was actually indeed the fact that I'd consumed a bottle of Grenache that caused the blip. :joker:

[Zippy]

Its not a question of deserving anything. It's more about who has the kind of fans dumb enough to bother voting repeatedly and waste money.

[Patrick]

What a stupid question.

They've done far more than any other housemate.

[Patrick]

Its not a question of deserving anything. It's more about who has the kind of fans dumb enough to bother voting repeatedly and waste money.

People can spend their money on whatever the ****** they want.

[Zippy]

People can spend their money on whatever the ****** they want.

thanks for that, Captain obvious

[joeysteele]

They've entertained, especially the people who really like them,those who can't stand them wouldn't even like them if all they did was sheer brilliance.

They haven't sat around all day resting and sleeping just doing nothing and just moaning, they have caused annoyance to other hoiusemates,something a lot on here normally love from housemates but not this occasion just becasue they are Jedward.

They have gone full steam ahead in all the tasks, not whingeing at not wanting to do this task or that one or not even trying in the tasks like housemates in the past have done..

They have done all that without drinking alcohol,also they haven't sat around smoking and near most of the time slagging off the other housemates,only very rarely and only one really..

They were hilarious in the shopping task, made their contribution in the groups task and John particularly was determined and really good in the pose task just to name 3.

Contrast that with Darryns moaning, Amy resting and sleeping all the time, Kerry and Luciens false attraction,Bobby taking over a week to really connect at all.

They have been energetic, annoying,often troublesome but also team work housemates, something usually looked for in housemates, but some on here have never given them a chance.Simply because they didn't like them before they went in the house and who most have refused to even give them a chance,just looking for negatives all the time or most of it.

If we get say an obnoxious, argumentative,(2 things Jedward are not) housemate like Sam Pepper or John James in the main BB, most on here will love them,that bad behaviour for winding others up being enjoyed then.

That's what they've done to deserve a win, if the public vote enough for them.

[Chuck]

Another thread on Jedward. Not impressed with you Joe :bored:

[Joe.]

Jedward are ****ing twats. Get them out. Obvious the annoying bastards are going to win.

[Sophiee]

because they're the most entertaining!

[CaudleHalbard]

It is good to see John and Edward rather than Jedward.

They are probably significantly different in personality - possibly even in sexuality... but that's probably a little secret that will be kept firmly out of the public domain until the careers are a few years down the line (or over).

[Livia]

Seen as it's looking imminent. What have they really done?

Erm... stopped taking their Ritalin?

[keithafc]

What a stupid question.

They've done far more than any other housemate.
And that is all it should come down to me imo.

Contribution. Jedward have obviously contributed more than anyone else in the house for talking points and just general entertainment.

No one else has really stepped it up to compete with them.

[joeysteele]

And that is all it should come down to me imo.

Contribution. Jedward have obviously contributed more than anyone else in the house for talking points and just general entertainment.

No one else has really stepped it up to compete with them.

Absolutely right. A very fair comment that.

[MusicMan]

They have made this series for me, no question. I like Paddy now too, but Jedward are my winners :spin:

I'm smiling like all the time they are on the screen, they're fantastic entertainment!

[Zippy]

Jedward are ****ing twats. Get them out. Obvious the annoying bastards are going to win.

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[joeysteele]

They have made this series for me, no question. I like Paddy now too, but Jedward are my winners :spin:

I'm smiling like all the time they are on the screen, they're fantastic entertainment!

I agree but then I really like them

Having said that, I watch CBB with friends some of which didn't like them at all before, but they cannot see anything they've done wrong by BB standards, they also have said that without them,this would have been one of the most boring houses ever.

Some are still not liking them totally but as to CBB they have enjoyed all they've done and like you say smile all or most of the time they are on screen.

[Zippy]

Oh, and Joe, you're the blonde in that GIF. Just to clarify.

[G1dds]

They have managed to get the CBB team to edit extremely well in their favour, so they always look fun,happy and cr-aaa-zy etc.......thereby leaving the rest of the housemates to look bitchy & moody

Job well done boys :)

[lime]

I have gone from finding them tolerable ,as my 6 yr old loves them, to finding them a bit creepy.I have stopped watching CBB on a regular basis because of the amount of coverage they get.This is a first for me.I don't blame jedward for this as channel 5 have decided this is they way forward for BB.IMHO if I found this type of behaviour as entertaining I would have all the chuckle brothers DVD's.

I do appreciate it's different strokes for different folk's and that we all loved BB for different reasons.I see jedward fans say "well isn't better watching them making a mess than watching others sitting around drinking coffee" Well ...no IMO.The whole concept of the BB I loved was to watch HM's,how they cope with being couped up with folks they wouldn't usually mix with in the outside world ,listen to their opinions and I loved listening to a good old bitchfest.This whole concept of the production team telling HM's what to do to provide entertainment is boring.

The only thing Jedward have done IMO that may be deserving of winning CBB is keeping up the act/show but I love CBB watching folks flaws and all.

I'll give the regular BB a shot but I don't hold out much hope.

[Patricia4]

All they have done is wreck the place and kept up the act they went in to play.
OK they have fans but the show started all about them and its ending all about them.

[joeysteele]

All they have done is wreck the place and kept up the act they went in to play.
OK they have fans but the show started all about them and its ending all about them.

I haven't seen a single thing that has been wrecked as you say in the house, chairs and tables got damaged in previous BB series by angry housemates, they even got wrong for it, one for sitting peeling the covering off the chairs outside for instance.

As for mess.well Bobby and Lucien made a fair mess with sweets all over the place last night leaving it for others,I see you ignore that though just to say Jedward are the only ones wrecking? the place.

They are the ones when yelled at after making a mess,that got it likely cleaner than it was when they first went in.Even Darryn said he'd never seen things so clean.

No one deserves to win as such, as compared to most housemates but if energy and effort have anything to do with winning something then Jedward have shown that in abundance.

[kat26]

I'm not a huge Jedward fan but I think they will win & probably deserve it as much as any of the others. They have been active & entertaining. Caused some drama which is always a good thing. They don't spend loads of time just sitting around & talking about people behind their backs.

[rsefitpro2011]

Not looking forward to tomorrow night!. The fact that Jedward will walk out as winner's, is really not a good thing!

They are sooo irritating, however as soon as I knew they were going in the house i figured they would win it!

Jedward going in at the time the X Factor was back on tv, job done really!

[starry]

They have an obsessive enough original fanbase to vote for them.

They got lots of airtime, tasks etc.

[Beso]

It's easier to ask what have the others done for jedward to win.

[LivT]

I stated similar in another post - for the first time ever I lost confidence in humanity for a while - simply because of the statistics posted over Jedward being victorious. Faith in humanity is now fully restored . I am all for hearing peoples views, on all sides, but I find so little justification as to why their fans find Jedward ( and I quote from sentiments I see all over) "entertaining" "intelligent" "creative" "good to their fans" I would love to comprehend what they are seeing that others are not ?

Trying to recall when I ever heard Jedward utter or do anything sensible, let alone intelligent. They don't have the ability to be articulate, nor the capability to be interested in anyone or anything around them. It all revolves around team Jedward. Never failing to let us down ( refering to when they were split into two teams) decency never prevailed enough for them to be team players. This makes them " nice lads" ? Selfish people are not deemed to be acting 'nice'.

Creative? Well, perhaps if you stuck them back in primary school ...gave them a pair of scissors each....and some crepe paper...??

Good to their fans in what regard? When they choose to portray themselves as vandals (and lets not try to whitewash when they took Amy's eyeliner without permission) ....Steal ! Talk with ridiculous American accents with semantics that don't extend beyond "ok" and "crazy" ..the list goes on as to why they are NOT good role models .

Some of us don't hate Jedward, more hate what they represent Perhaps some of us can also be forgiven for feeling justified in thinking that it is highly questionable as to what exactly you find entertaining? The ability to be witty and humourous stems from true intelligence...so it can't be that ! This leaves us with a sense of feeling that personal entertainment is gleaned purely from watching two moronic irriitants winding up all those around them. This is the exact reason the producers placed Jedward in the house. They have a job to provide ' interesting viewing' and the more controversial the better. What is truly sad is the amount of people that thrive on witnessing other peoples distress and discomfort instead of feeling sympathetic. Perhaps fans, who are so ready to attack those amongst us who find Jedwards conduct intollerable should stop and think about their own reasons for finding them entertaining...and come up with some intelligent justification for once. I won't be holding my breath !

[InOne]

^^ You speak wise words. Glad the Jedward train crashed

[Zippy]

I stated similar in another post - for the first time ever I lost confidence in humanity for a while - simply because of the statistics posted over Jedward being victorious. Faith in humanity is now fully restored . I am all for hearing peoples views, on all sides, but I find so little justification as to why their fans find Jedward ( and I quote from sentiments I see all over) "entertaining" "intelligent" "creative" "good to their fans" I would love to comprehend what they are seeing that others are not ?

Trying to recall when I ever heard Jedward utter or do anything sensible, let alone intelligent. They don't have the ability to be articulate, nor the capability to be interested in anyone or anything around them. It all revolves around team Jedward. Never failing to let us down ( refering to when they were split into two teams) decency never prevailed enough for them to be team players. This makes them " nice lads" ? Selfish people are not deemed to be acting 'nice'.

Creative? Well, perhaps if you stuck them back in primary school ...gave them a pair of scissors each....and some crepe paper...??

Good to their fans in what regard? When they choose to portray themselves as vandals (and lets not try to whitewash when they took Amy's eyeliner without permission) ....Steal ! Talk with ridiculous American accents with semantics that don't extend beyond "ok" and "crazy" ..the list goes on as to why they are NOT good role models .

Some of us don't hate Jedward, more hate what they represent Perhaps some of us can also be forgiven for feeling justified in thinking that it is highly questionable as to what exactly you find entertaining? The ability to be witty and humourous stems from true intelligence...so it can't be that ! This leaves us with a sense of feeling that personal entertainment is gleaned purely from watching two moronic irriitants winding up all those around them. This is the exact reason the producers placed Jedward in the house. They have a job to provide ' interesting viewing' and the more controversial the better. What is truly sad is the amount of people that thrive on witnessing other peoples distress and discomfort instead of feeling sympathetic. Perhaps fans, who are so ready to attack those amongst us who find Jedwards conduct intollerable should stop and think about their own reasons for finding them entertaining...and come up with some intelligent justification for once. I won't be holding my breath !

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thankyou very much. I could never be arsed writing that much about them so Im grateful you took the time. You are absolutely spot on.

If you find them entertaining then you really need to be watching Cbeebies.

[lime]

I stated similar in another post - for the first time ever I lost confidence in humanity for a while - simply because of the statistics posted over Jedward being victorious. Faith in humanity is now fully restored . I am all for hearing peoples views, on all sides, but I find so little justification as to why their fans find Jedward ( and I quote from sentiments I see all over) "entertaining" "intelligent" "creative" "good to their fans" I would love to comprehend what they are seeing that others are not ?

Trying to recall when I ever heard Jedward utter or do anything sensible, let alone intelligent. They don't have the ability to be articulate, nor the capability to be interested in anyone or anything around them. It all revolves around team Jedward. Never failing to let us down ( refering to when they were split into two teams) decency never prevailed enough for them to be team players. This makes them " nice lads" ? Selfish people are not deemed to be acting 'nice'.

Creative? Well, perhaps if you stuck them back in primary school ...gave them a pair of scissors each....and some crepe paper...??

Good to their fans in what regard? When they choose to portray themselves as vandals (and lets not try to whitewash when they took Amy's eyeliner without permission) ....Steal ! Talk with ridiculous American accents with semantics that don't extend beyond "ok" and "crazy" ..the list goes on as to why they are NOT good role models .

Some of us don't hate Jedward, more hate what they represent Perhaps some of us can also be forgiven for feeling justified in thinking that it is highly questionable as to what exactly you find entertaining? The ability to be witty and humourous stems from true intelligence...so it can't be that ! This leaves us with a sense of feeling that personal entertainment is gleaned purely from watching two moronic irriitants winding up all those around them. This is the exact reason the producers placed Jedward in the house. They have a job to provide ' interesting viewing' and the more controversial the better. What is truly sad is the amount of people that thrive on witnessing other peoples distress and discomfort instead of feeling sympathetic. Perhaps fans, who are so ready to attack those amongst us who find Jedwards conduct intollerable should stop and think about their own reasons for finding them entertaining...and come up with some intelligent justification for once. I won't be holding my breath !

Could not have said it any better myself.

[CaudleHalbard]

Lol! :D

Gosh, I'd love to "crash" with half a million in my pocket (which is maybe even as much as the other HMs put together) and exposure every day for 3 weeks.

I think we will be seeing a lot more of Jedward on our TV screens in the next few years (staring with X-Factor.......... assisting Louis Walsh with judging at one stage of the competition).

Sorry if that disappoints! ;)
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[InOne]

Lol! :D

Gosh, I'd love to "crash" with half a million in my pocket (which is maybe even as much as the other HMs put together) and exposure every day for 3 weeks.

I think we will be seeing a lot more of Jedward on our TV screens in the next few years (staring with X-Factor.......... assisting Louis Walsh with judging at one stage of the competition).

Sorry if that disappoints! ;)
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Well thank god I have more than one channel then ^_^

[lime]

Lol! :D

Gosh, I'd love to "crash" with half a million in my pocket (which is maybe even as much as the other HMs put together) and exposure every day for 3 weeks.

I think we will be seeing a lot more of Jedward on our TV screens in the next few years (staring with X-Factor.......... assisting Louis Walsh with judging at one stage of the competition).

Sorry if that disappoints! ;)
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It doesn't disappoint me at all.!Will they be assisting Louis at some stage during X factor ?Probably.But that will only be 10 mins of the show so it will be tolerable.
Unfortunately some Jedward fans do not realise that folks that did not find them entertaining are not anti/haters..just found them annoying /fake.
They are two blokes who make money out of pretending to be children..I have no problem with that

[LivT]

Lol! :D

Gosh, I'd love to "crash" with half a million in my pocket (which is maybe even as much as the other HMs put together) and exposure every day for 3 weeks.

I think we will be seeing a lot more of Jedward on our TV screens in the next few years (staring with X-Factor.......... assisting Louis Walsh with judging at one stage of the competition).

Sorry if that disappoints! ;)
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Ah, don't feel obliged to apologise, Caudle. We are far from disappointed....more unsurprised, maybe.... to discover yet another fan who longs to be in Jedwards shoes. ******* a duck ! It simply speaks volumes about the sheer mentality of people, who, from millions of worthy role models choose to idolise .... ...those 'sausages' !

As for Louis Walsh. (who I like well enough, although I have more respect for Simon Cowell, who is more in-tune and seems to pay more regard to what the public truly need..not necessarily want ) He is just another ruthless buisness man who could see a gap to exploit two oddities with the potential to gain controverial acclaim, fame and money for all concerned. He was right, even negative attention is better than no attention.

Is it truly our disapointment. or our care, that a percentage of people, who's own self-worth, morals and standards get in the way of seeing that, essentially, they are condoning and supporting people within the public eye who are, without doubt, simply too weird ! Usually, people live and learn, but Jedward, they just live. How about you trying not to be disapointed that we don't all wish to shake their hands and pat them on the back for a great contribution to human society.

[Pyramid*]

This is one of those threads that you wish you'd never put up!!

:joker:

[joeysteele]

How about others realising while its right for those who dislike Jedward to not give any pats on the back to them for whatever personal reasons they have for that view but also that equally those who do really like them will and also have the right to pat them on the back from their personal view as as to them too,Without resorting to particularly vitriolic comments too.

That would be a far fairer logic and path to be on.

[LivT]

There are no vitriolic comments . Perhaps if you see them as so, you are simply finding a ring-of-truth to them ;)

[Zippy]

I just wish they'd piss right off out of my face. Seriously, why can't they just stick to childrens TV where they clearly belong? Adults are not interested. And those who do enjoy their childish behaviour can go watch them on Cbeebies.

I honestly do not believe they could win any competition. Because a) they do not have a big fanbase b) they have too many haters. I know I go on about their album sales but it's an extremely telling point when an act with an alleged huge fanbase can only get 3000 of them to buy their album. And then fail to beat a random gypsy nobody in a TV show! They were the ones with an organised fanbase and still couldnt rally the votes. FAIL.

[Mystic Mock]

1. They are not perfect.

2. What gets classed as incestrous acts I find funny,like bathing in washing up liquid.

3. They are still nice people,just because you find them irritating doesnt mean they arent nice people.

4. There not Lucien.

5. There not Kerry.

6. There not Amy.

7. There certainly not Sweatboy.

8. Because they actually were able to wind up some of the dullest HM of all time.

[Mystic Mock]

I stated similar in another post - for the first time ever I lost confidence in humanity for a while - simply because of the statistics posted over Jedward being victorious. Faith in humanity is now fully restored . I am all for hearing peoples views, on all sides, but I find so little justification as to why their fans find Jedward ( and I quote from sentiments I see all over) "entertaining" "intelligent" "creative" "good to their fans" I would love to comprehend what they are seeing that others are not ?

Trying to recall when I ever heard Jedward utter or do anything sensible, let alone intelligent. They don't have the ability to be articulate, nor the capability to be interested in anyone or anything around them. It all revolves around team Jedward. Never failing to let us down ( refering to when they were split into two teams) decency never prevailed enough for them to be team players. This makes them " nice lads" ? Selfish people are not deemed to be acting 'nice'.

Creative? Well, perhaps if you stuck them back in primary school ...gave them a pair of scissors each....and some crepe paper...??

Good to their fans in what regard? When they choose to portray themselves as vandals (and lets not try to whitewash when they took Amy's eyeliner without permission) ....Steal ! Talk with ridiculous American accents with semantics that don't extend beyond "ok" and "crazy" ..the list goes on as to why they are NOT good role models .

Some of us don't hate Jedward, more hate what they represent Perhaps some of us can also be forgiven for feeling justified in thinking that it is highly questionable as to what exactly you find entertaining? The ability to be witty and humourous stems from true intelligence...so it can't be that ! This leaves us with a sense of feeling that personal entertainment is gleaned purely from watching two moronic irriitants winding up all those around them. This is the exact reason the producers placed Jedward in the house. They have a job to provide ' interesting viewing' and the more controversial the better. What is truly sad is the amount of people that thrive on witnessing other peoples distress and discomfort instead of feeling sympathetic. Perhaps fans, who are so ready to attack those amongst us who find Jedwards conduct intollerable should stop and think about their own reasons for finding them entertaining...and come up with some intelligent justification for once. I won't be holding my breath !

Not good role models.:joker:

Anyway I think people would have loved Jedward more is if they cried 24/7 (oops im assuming there was LF then) and had romances and being a fence sitter on everything.

[Mystic Mock]

I just wish they'd piss right off out of my face. Seriously, why can't they just stick to childrens TV where they clearly belong? Adults are not interested. And those who do enjoy their childish behaviour can go watch them on Cbeebies.

I honestly do not believe they could win any competition. Because a) they do not have a big fanbase b) they have too many haters. I know I go on about their album sales but it's an extremely telling point when an act with an alleged huge fanbase can only get 3000 of them to buy their album. And then fail to beat a random gypsy nobody in a TV show! They were the ones with an organised fanbase and still couldnt rally the votes. FAIL.

Kerry also failed to beat Paddy,so what are you going to say about that?

I also suspect that C5 rigged the votes because Jedward were ****ting on Kerry everywhere that you looked,yet she beat them in the actual votes.:joker:

Seriously C5 stop it please your giving me to much enjoyment at your failed attempts at pretending to be genuine.:joker:

[Zippy]

Kerry also failed to beat Paddy,so what are you going to say about that?

well I think it's very likely they have a similar fanbase and therefore stole votes from each other. A split vote. And still the Jedward army(lol) couldn't defeat them.

I can certainly see many Kerry fans liking Paddy and maybe felt he needed the votes more. It makes sense when you think about it.

[CaudleHalbard]

Funny we're all still talking about Jedward even after the final is over and they finished 3rd. Quite telling. ;)

Yes, they are marmite characters but if they were totally nice, sweet people (e.g. like their fellow XF contestant Joe McElderry) they would not have got invited into CBB in the first place.

[Zippy]

Funny we're all still talking about Jedward even after the final is over and they finished 3rd. Quite telling. ;)

Yes, they are marmite characters but if they were totally nice, sweet people (e.g. like their fellow XF contestant Joe McElderry) they would not have got invited into CBB in the first place.

the hated annoying HMs always get discussed the most. Its tradition.

And I personally could talk about their failure to win for many more days. It'll certainly do until BB12 starts.

[joeysteele]

Funny we're all still talking about Jedward even after the final is over and they finished 3rd. Quite telling. ;)

Yes, they are marmite characters but if they were totally nice, sweet people (e.g. like their fellow XF contestant Joe McElderry) they would not have got invited into CBB in the first place.

Well said, I agree with your very valid point.

I really like Jedward, people will still be taking about them for I predict likely the next 10 years or more at least as they will regularly be on our TV screens. only those who claim to really dislike them and don't watch them on TV will not see them anyway then so they shouldn't be in any of their faces at all.

[Zippy]

I really like Jedward, people will still be taking about them for I predict likely the next 10 years or more

:joker:

you seriously think they will be get away with acting like toddlers for the next 10 years? Well there's a creepy and disturbing thought.

[Pyramid*]

1. They are not perfect.

2. What gets classed as incestrous acts I find funny,like bathing in washing up liquid.

3. They are still nice people,just because you find them irritating doesnt mean they arent nice people.

4. There not Lucien.

5. There not Kerry.

6. There not Amy.

7. There certainly not Sweatboy.

8. Because they actually were able to wind up some of the dullest HM of all time.


And much to my chagrin.........and annoyance.....they will still have a hell of a lot more demand than 1-8 above. That is (unfortunately) fact, but a fact nevertheless.

[joeysteele]

:joker:

you seriously think they will be get away with acting like toddlers for the next 10 years? Well there's a creepy and disturbing thought.

No, not in the act as it is now, it will evolve as many acts evolve,but Yes to the point I made, I predict they will still be around regularly on TV in 10 years time.Likely with their own shows or presenting in the main.

[Pyramid*]

:joker:

you seriously think they will be get away with acting like toddlers for the next 10 years? Well there's a creepy and disturbing thought.

It's worked for the likes of Katie Price, who is in her 30's and still acts like a petulant teenager, an idiot and an attention seeking prat....... you are familiar with the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Like it or not: it's a formula that's known to work.

[CaudleHalbard]

they will still have a hell of a lot more demand

Of all the HMs in CBB8 who, over - say - the next 3 years will likely be (a) the most financially successful, from entertainment, and also (b) most in the public eye?

Oooh..... that's a tough one isn't it? :joker:

you seriously think they will be get away with acting like toddlers for the next 10 years?

Not 10 years... they probably have 2-3 years as the Jedward Act. They will then have to evolve. 30 year old hyperactive "boys" won't have the same appeal to their current fans. Mind you their current fans will also be 10 years older! Lol!

They have been touted as the future Ant & Dec but whether they would fit comfortably into that sort of role, in a few years time, I really don't know.

It's worked for the likes of Katie Price, who is in her 30's and still acts like a petulant teenager, an idiot and an attention seeking prat....... you are familiar with the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Like it or not: it's a formula that's known to work.

True but Jedward are nothing without each other. What happens if one of them (for example) finds "lurve"........ unlikley as that may seem at the moment! ;)

why you feel Jedward ARE good role models

They don't drink, smoke, do drugs, riot on the streets, carry knives and they love their parents and are not sexually promiscous. They are also strong willed, hard working and determined. Just for starters!

Too much of youth culture (rap, gangsta etc) is based on the exact opposite of the above.

Yes they have a mischievous streak, but that is what makes them human rather than just rather sweet robots.

[Niamh.]

Can you try to have a discussion without insulting eachother/fans of Jedward please

[LivT]

Ah , at last ! Thank you Caudle, for taking the time to come up with some well thought out answers!

Look, everyone has their good points ..and their bad points. In Jedwards case their positive defense lies within them not possessing certain stated vices. Afraid It may take more than them being non- drinkers and smokers (and nobody should do drugs anyway) or being seen to love their parents...which is kind of the most natural thing in the world, period... to hold up against the so-called negative issues.....

Perhaps, if and whenever, Jedward retain a happy medium, those people who are not fans, may change their view and start regarding them as true role models. That is up to them to deduce and act upon. Perhaps they are happy with their couple of thousand fanbase ..and don't give a monkeys how they are portraying themselves . Who knows ;)

[InOne]

I always have a little chuckle when people compare those twerps to Ant and Dec, I mean come on, seriously? :joker:

[Pyramid*]

There are no vitriolic comments . Perhaps if you see them as so, you are simply finding a ring-of-truth to them ;)

Can you try to have a discussion without insulting eachother/fans of Jedward please

Ah , at last ! Thank you Caudle, for taking the time to come up with some well thought out answers!

Look, everyone has their good points ..and their bad points. In Jedwards case their positive defense lies within them not possessing certain stated vices. Afraid It may take more than them being non- drinkers and smokers (and nobody should do drugs anyway) or being seen to love their parents...which is kind of the most natural thing in the world, period... to hold up against the so-called negative issues.....

Perhaps, if and whenever, Jedward retain a happy medium, those people who are not fans, may change their view and start regarding them as true role models. That is up to them to deduce and act upon. Perhaps they are happy with their couple of thousand fanbase ..and don't give a monkeys how they are portraying themselves . Who knows ;)


I don't think they need to be happy with whatever number their fanbase amounts to, given that they are in demand - regardless - and making money.

In essence: they are doing a hell of a lot more than a great many 19 year olds are....... many of whom are happy to lay about, signing on fortnight after fortnight and doing not a lot with their lives.

Not to mention the amount of money that Jedward will be contributing to their economy - as well as their fans purchasing all manner of Jedwards products and paying VAT etc

I'd far that, than some of the lazy workshy others out there - and they do exist - who are happy to be be a financial burden on the country.

There... there's a nice bit of sensible reply for you to consider.

;)

[Mystic Mock]

well I think it's very likely they have a similar fanbase and therefore stole votes from each other. A split vote. And still the Jedward army(lol) couldn't defeat them.

I can certainly see many Kerry fans liking Paddy and maybe felt he needed the votes more. It makes sense when you think about it.

Come on Zippy these excuses to make out Kerry did better against Paddy than Jedward did is ridiculous considering the Republic of Ireland couldnt vote and she still barely beat them.:joker:

And thats if you think the votes are genuine,which I think not.:laugh3:

[InOne]

I don't think they need to be happy with whatever number their fanbase amounts to, given that they are in demand - regardless - and making money.

In essence: they are doing a hell of a lot more than a great many 19 year olds are....... many of whom are happy to lay about, signing on fortnight after fortnight and doing not a lot with their lives.

Not to mention the amount of money that Jedward will be contributing to their economy - as well as their fans purchasing all manner of Jedwards products and paying VAT etc

I'd far that, than some of the lazy workshy others out there - and they do exist - who are happy to be be a financial burden on the country.

There... there's a nice bit of sensible reply for you to consider.

;)

The fans that couldn't even be bothered to pick up the phones for them :joker: People might like to see them on tv or whatever but can't imagine people running out to buy Jedward tat, another assumption the makes their mythical mass fanbase seem bigger

[CaudleHalbard]

I always have a little chuckle when people compare those twerps to Ant and Dec, I mean come on, seriously? :joker:

In 5 to 10 years time? Who knows. I too think it's unlikely: it may not even be something they would want to do.

Ant & Dec were very much ridiculed in their younger days - especially when they were (ahem!) pops stars... PJ & Duncan. Now they are (I understand) the highest-earning stars on UK TV. Who would have thought it?

It may be their shelf life as "Jedward" is short and they will have to become the individuals John and Edward again... in fact as they get older they well have to put the Jedward thing behind them if they want a career into their 30s, 40s and beyond.

Can they evolve, or is there something fundamental which would stop them doing so? I truly don't know the answer to that and I doubt anyone else does either.

[InOne]

In 5 to 10 years time? Who knows. I too think it's unlikely: it may not even be something they would want to do.

Ant & Dec were very much ridiculed in their younger days - especially when they were (ahem!) pops stars... PJ & Duncan. Now they are (I understand) the highest-earning stars on UK TV. Who would have thought it?

It may be their shelf life as "Jedward" is short and they will have to become the individuals John and Edward again... in fact as they get older they well have to put the Jedward thing behind them if they want a career into their 30s, 40s and beyond.

Can they evolve, or is there something fundamental which would stop them doing so? I truly don't know the answer to that and I doubt anyone else does either.

They just seem too immature to present really, they don't seem to be able to concentrate very long and get "bored" as they put it, quite easily. Ant and Dec may have been ridiculed when they were starting out, but you can't deny they have a charm that Jedward simply don't have.

[LivT]

Oh , I rather doubt our economy will be seriously hit or suffer if Jedward stopped contributing ;) I agree that their is a general malaise amongst some of our youth , but their situation isn't comparable, since they can't all have opportinties handed to them on a plate. Lets not forget also, that there are guys out there...many younger than Jedward, who are fighting for world peace...enough said.

[Pyramid*]

The fans that couldn't even be bothered to pick up the phones for them :joker: People might like to see them on tv or whatever but can't imagine people running out to buy Jedward tat, another assumption the makes their mythical mass fanbase seem bigger


yeah...that's how they were kicked out in the first week .......... Oh wait...... !!!

I'm quite sure when you and I are still sitting in our little houses, playing around on the internet - that they will be doing something far more worthwhile on the back of the fortune that they made - when they began as mere 17/18 year olds....

just a thought. ;)

[Pyramid*]

Oh , I rather doubt our economy will be seriously hit or suffer if Jedward stopped contributing ;) I agree that their is a general malaise amongst some of our youth , but their situation isn't comparable, since they can't all have opportinties handed to them on a plate. Lets not forget also, that there are guys out there...many younger than Jedward, who are fighting for world peace...enough said.

but given that the very thread in which you are contributing is not about fighting for world peace, it's a very moot point.

I don't believe Jedward had anything handed to them on a plate: they worked at an act to gain their place on X Factor, and from little acorns, big oaks grow.

You asked for sensible discussion. You got some.

[InOne]

yeah...that's how they were kicked out in the first week .......... Oh wait...... !!!

I'm quite sure when you and I are still sitting in our little houses, playing around on the internet - that they will be doing something far more worthwhile on the back of the fortune that they made - when they began as mere 17/18 year olds....

just a thought. ;)

At only getting £20 a week from mummy and daddy I doubt it lol

[Mystic Mock]

Oh , I rather doubt our economy will be seriously hit or suffer if Jedward stopped contributing ;) I agree that their is a general malaise amongst some of our youth , but their situation isn't comparable, since they can't all have opportinties handed to them on a plate. Lets not forget also, that there are guys out there...many younger than Jedward, who are fighting for world peace...enough said.

TBF some of the youth do have oppotunities but they want to blow it on drugs or causing riots instead.

Jedward are one of a few people that are 19 years of age and actually fought to where they have got to,even if you dont think its anything great its still something.

[Beastie]

They deserved to win because they were the most entertaining.

However I wish Tara stayed and she should have won. My favourites never win :(

Paddy.. Meh. But well done to him anyway. I had a heart attack when him and Kerry were the final 2. I am just grateful Kezza didn't win!! lol

[Beastie]

Jedward have been given a lot on plate. But so has plenty of other "celebs".

It's tough ****. Be grateful for what you got!

[Zippy]

Oh ffs Pyramid don't you start banging on about their money too. We have enough doing that. Zzzz. Go find another bandwagon to jump on. You sense a battle and just want in on it.

[InOne]

TBF some of the youth do have oppotunities but they want to blow it on drugs or causing riots instead.

Jedward are one of a few people that are 19 years of age and actually fought to where they have got to,even if you dont think its anything great its still something.

Yeah cos ALL 19 year olds do that :joker: One of the few? pfffft

[InOne]

Oh ffs Pyramid don't you start banging on about their money too. We have enough doing that. Zzzz. Go find another bandwagon to jump on. You sense a battle and just want in on it.

I don't mind taking the bait for a bit but we all know how it will end :idc: The lengths these Jeddy fans go to to defend is quite amusing

[Zippy]

I don't mind taking the bait for a bit but we all know how it will end :idc: The lengths these Jeddy fans go to to defend is quite amusing

well she claims to not be a fan so she's clearly sticking her nose in coz she loves to argue. Oh doesnt she just!

[LivT]

Pyramid - You were the one that were comparing them with the youths of today ;) perhaps I was merely answering , in kind, to your own 'moot' points.? :p

Wheres the referee? Our youths of today are being insulted !!!!

[InOne]

well she claims to not be a fan so she's clearly sticking her nose in coz she loves to argue. Oh doesnt she just!

Yeah, I'm sure she was anti-Jed yesterday :suspect:

[Mystic Mock]

I don't mind taking the bait for a bit but we all know how it will end :idc: The lengths these Jeddy fans go to to defend is quite amusing

The same goes for the Jedward haters attacking them for apprently doing bad considering the Republic of Ireland couldnt vote.

Oh and the haters clutching at straws on anything they do so stop acting self rightous?:xyxwave:

[InOne]

The same goes for the Jedward haters attacking them for apprently doing bad considering the Republic of Ireland couldnt vote.

Oh and the haters clutching at straws on anything they do so stop acting self rightous?:xyxwave:

Telling the truth isn't hating :)

[CaudleHalbard]

Ant and Dec may have been ridiculed when they were starting out, but you can't deny they have a charm that Jedward simply don't have.

I can't stand Ant & Dec actually! :D

I avoid watching anything involving them. I do realise I am in a minority.

[lime]

Come on Zippy these excuses to make out Kerry did better against Paddy than Jedward did is ridiculous considering the Republic of Ireland couldn't vote and she still barely beat them.:joker:

And that's if you think the votes are genuine,which I think not.:laugh3:

What is it with Jedward fans trying to make out that they would have done better if ROI could vote??
They have the marmite effect here also.The only fan I know is my daughter.
They do have a fanbase here but to think if we could vote they would have done better is ridiculous.

Also you claim Kerry[ who I don't care for] barley beat them ...??
What was the voting numbers ,I haven't seem them yet?

[InOne]

I can't stand Ant & Dec actually! :D

I avoid watching anything involving them. I do realise I am in a minority.

I'm not a massive fan, but they're not marmite like Jedward are. That's why I doubt they'd be able to go totally mainstream

[Mystic Mock]

What is it with Jedward fans trying to make out that they would have done better if ROI could vote??
They have the marmite effect here also.The only fan I know is my daughter.
They do have a fanbase here but to think if we could vote they would have done better is ridiculous.

Also you claim Kerry[ who I don't care for] barley beat them ...??
What was the voting numbers ,I haven't seem them yet?

Well Kerry must of because Jedward were miles ahead of her on Facebook,TIBB,DS and the bookies had them miles ahead of both Paddy and Kerry,yet she mysteriously beat them in the votes.:laugh2:

Anyway you have made me crack up at C5 pretending Kerry beat Jedward in the votes.

[InOne]

jedward_fever do you want to grow up to be like Jedward?

[Mystic Mock]

jedward_fever do you want to grow up to be like Jedward?

Well no but there great entertainment.

[Zippy]

Come on Zippy these excuses to make out Kerry did better against Paddy than Jedward did is ridiculous considering the Republic of Ireland couldnt vote and she still barely beat them.:joker:

And thats if you think the votes are genuine,which I think not.:laugh3:
keep deluding yourself. And what the hell has Ireland got to do with it? This is the UK and a UK show. So you think a HM should have the benefit of a whole other country voting for them? Yeah thats fair..not!

and yes I think the votes are genuine. Or are you just gonna keep deluding yourself that they always finish down the pack because its a fix, or Ireland can't vote, or whatever bonkers excuses you care to come up with?

Just accept the fact they do not have the support you think. They really don't.

[InOne]

People assume the whole of Ireland would like Jedward cos they're Irish :crazy:

[joeysteele]

Well in fact, they came 3rd on CBB out of the 10 celebrities that went in so by coming even 3rd out of those 10 a pretty good number of people must have been ringing in their votes for them.

It would help to see the voting fugures of course as well which I think we as the voting public have a right to know them, but Brian did say on bbbots last night that just before he was to call out the 3rd placed candidates,he was told he may need to fill in for a bit as it was terribly close.

So it would seem plenty voted, just not enough, simple as that and that's een the case for a lot of odds on favourites on previous CBB and BB series.
Anyway odds on favouites mean nothing to me, the bookies just want money, even if they knew say Jedward or Kerry were lagging behind in votes to others,they are not going to say anything, they will just take the money.

[lime]

[QUOTE=jedward fever;4543649]Well Kerry must of because Jedward were miles ahead of her on Facebook,TIBB,DS and the bookies had them miles ahead of both Paddy and Kerry,yet she mysteriously beat them in the votes.:laugh2:

Anyway you have made me crack up at C5 pretending Kerry beat Jedward in the votes.[/QUO
So basically what you are saying is that you haven't got a clue.Cheers.

And yes all very mysterious:joker:

[lime]

People assume the whole of Ireland would like Jedward cos they're Irish :crazy:

It would seem so.

[Zippy]

Well in fact, they came 3rd on CBB out of the 10 celebrities

4 celebrities and 6 randomers more like!

but well done Jedward for coming ahead of some nobodies.

[Mystic Mock]

keep deluding yourself. And what the hell has Ireland got to do with it? This is the UK and a UK show. So you think a HM should have the benefit of a whole other country voting for them? Yeah thats fair..not!

and yes I think the votes are genuine. Or are you just gonna keep deluding yourself that they always finish down the pack because its a fix, or Ireland can't vote, or whatever bonkers excuses you care to come up with?

Just accept the fact they do not have the support you think. They really don't.

Well Republic of Ireland was allowed to vote when Science lost to Orlaith in BB6.

And :pat: at your lack of honesty about the rigged votes between Kerry and Jedward,and Lucien and Darryn.

[LivT]

Oh , Holy Mother of all things preserved !! ( That's the best impression of being righteous I can muster)

Now its the turn of the Irish to be insulted ;) Isn't it a bit presumptious to think they would condone them anymore than anyone else?

The only Irish person/s that would vote for them anyway, are Louis Walsh and their own Mother.

Ok, lets be generous and throw Louis Mother into the mix also ;)

[Pyramid*]

well she claims to not be a fan so she's clearly sticking her nose in coz she loves to argue. Oh doesnt she just!

Pyramid - You were the one that were comparing them with the youths of today ;) perhaps I was merely answering , in kind, to your own 'moot' points.? :p

Wheres the referee? Our youths of today are being insulted !!!!

Indeed I was. I am no fan, but that does not mitigate the fact that they are successful.

the difference is: I don't have any issue in accepting that. I may not like that, I may not like them, but I have no issue with other people liking them,or giving their reasons for doing so.

We are ALL entitled to our opinion. ;) :p

As for sticking my nose in Zippy, I think you will find that it is a public forum and as a member, I have as much right as you or anyone else to post on whatever subject I wish to.

[Zippy]

And :pat: at your lack of honesty about the rigged votes between Kerry and Jedward,and Lucien and Darryn.

my lack of honesty? what the hell are you barking about?

If you want to live in fantasy conspiracy cuckooland thats your problem. I have better things to worry about.

Just accept Jedward are losers and move on. :pat:

[Mystic Mock]

Oh , Holy Mother of all things preserved !! ( That's the best impression of being righteous I can muster)

Now its the turn of the Irish to be insulted ;) Isn't it a bit presumptious to think they would condone them anymore than anyone else?

The only Irish person/s that would vote for them anyway, are Louis Walsh and their own Mother.

Ok, lets be generous and throw Louis Mother into the mix also ;)

Im on about that people from the Republic of Ireland would like them (im not saying all of them) im just saying some of them.

[Mystic Mock]

[QUOTE=jedward fever;4543649]Well Kerry must of because Jedward were miles ahead of her on Facebook,TIBB,DS and the bookies had them miles ahead of both Paddy and Kerry,yet she mysteriously beat them in the votes.:laugh2:

Anyway you have made me crack up at C5 pretending Kerry beat Jedward in the votes.[/QUO
So basically what you are saying is that you haven't got a clue.Cheers.

And yes all very mysterious:joker:

Oh I do,but because you all hate them you just dont want to see the even more rigged version of BB on C5.

[Mystic Mock]

Just accept Jedward are losers and move on. :pat:

I would if they made out they came 2nd.

Also Kerry was below Amy on one of the polls,so how the **** did she beat Jedward and nearly beat Paddy? I can tell you the answer,its rigged.

[LivT]

Indeed I was. I am no fan, but that does not mitigate the fact that they are successful.

the difference is: I don't have any issue in accepting that. I may not like that, I may not like them, but I have no issue with other people liking them,or giving their reasons for doing so.

We are ALL entitled to our opinion. ;) :p

As for sticking my nose in Zippy, I think you will find that it is a public forum and as a member, I have as much right as you or anyone else to post on whatever subject I wish to.

Nobody has ever negated the fact that they are successful. I know, lets all stop airing our views ..or issues as you class them..and shut all the forums down. Come on, this is why they are here. Then you proceed to contradict yourself ...

[Zippy]

Also Kerry was below Amy on one of the polls,so how the **** did she beat Jedward and nearly beat Paddy? I can tell you the answer,its rigged.

well done, Einstein.

you clearly know more than the rest of us. Jedwards loss was rigged because some impartial person on an internet forum called Jedwardfever says so. Oh wait...

[Mystic Mock]

TBH I think I would have believed the vote more if they hadnt pretended that Tara got fewer votes than Bobby,Darryn and Lucien,despite all the polls having her even further ahead than even Jedwards lead over the rest in the final.

[Mystic Mock]

well done, Einstein.

you clearly know more than the rest of us. Jedwards loss was rigged because some impartial person on an internet forum called Jedwardfever says so. Oh wait...

If this was anybody else you would be agreeing with me,but because its Jedward it was a genuine vote.:joker:

Seriously the Jedward haters are cracking me up more than C5.:joker:

[fruit_cake]

I think it's good for the show that Jedward didn't win.

[Zippy]

..but because its Jedward it was a genuine vote.:joker:

they have a well established history of losing popularity shows. Kerry has a history of winning shows.

Really, what are you struggling to grasp here?

[Mystic Mock]

they have a well established history of losing popularity shows. Kerry has a history of winning shows.

Really, what are you struggling to grasp here?

this is Jedwards first popularity show,the X factor is alot harder than Big Brother by the way and they still came 6th and was ahead in the votes over Olly Murs in the week they went.

Kerry has only won Im a Celebrity get me out of Here,she did **** on DOI,and had lost alot of support on Big Brother so how the **** she beat Jedward who was gaining fans is beyond me.

Even my Dad who hates Big Brother and Jedward cant believe the result.

[Zippy]

this is Jedwards first popularity show,the X factor is alot harder than Big Brother by the way and they still came 6th and was ahead in the votes over Olly Murs in the week they went.

Kerry has only won Im a Celebrity get me out of Here,she did **** on DOI,and had lost alot of support on Big Brother so how the **** she beat Jedward who was gaining fans is beyond me.

Even my Dad who hates Big Brother and Jedward cant believe the result.

IACGMOOH has 5 times the viewers of BB. Kerry did way better on DOI than her skating deserved. Because she's popular.

Jedward have come 6th, 8th and 3rd. If they were a racing greyhound I'd sell it.

[Pyramid*]

I think it's good for the show that Jedward didn't win.


What I think is fabulously hilarious is the reaction to them.....STILL...... given that they didn't win !!! :joker:

Seems love them or loathe them: people can't stop talking about them regardles, or showing an interest in the Jedward machine!!!

Now THAT..... tells you that they won't fall off the radar any time soon. Great news for the Jedites I'd say!

[Mystic Mock]

IACGMOOH has 5 times the viewers of BB. Kerry did way better on DOI than her skating deserved. Because she's popular.

Jedward have come 6th, 8th and 3rd. If they were a racing greyhound I'd sell it.

Im sorry 8th?

[Zippy]

Im sorry 8th?

they came 8th in Miss World

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llihwvCqm71qhxr17o1_400.gif

[fruit_cake]

What I think is fabulously hilarious is the reaction to them.....STILL...... given that they didn't win !!! :joker:

Seems love them or loathe them: people can't stop talking about them regardles, or showing an interest in the Jedward machine!!!

Now THAT..... tells you that they won't fall off the radar any time soon. Great news for the Jedites I'd say!

seems to me that the show has become about Jedward not Big Brother..I don't think thats a good thing and Channel 5 and Jedward are to blame

[Mystic Mock]

they came 8th in Miss World

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llihwvCqm71qhxr17o1_400.gif

Stop with the lies please as there guys not girls.

[Mystic Mock]

seems to me that the show has become about Jedward not Big Brother..I don't think thats a good thing and Channel 5 and Jedward are to blame

Jedward cant help how C5 and Endemol were showing them,despite the Jedhet job episode.

[Pyramid*]

seems to me that the show has become about Jedward not Big Brother..I don't think thats a good thing and Channel 5 and Jedward are to blame

All possibly true - but that is not the fault of the public: that is how the producers of the show chose it to be, and here we are: giving them exactly what they may have wanted: massive publicity and being discussed at great length: even on the Eve of BB kicking off.

[fruit_cake]

I think they'd have been exposed as frauds if we had LF but we don't

[Pyramid*]

I think they'd have been exposed as frauds if we had LF but we don't

Am in complete agreement with you. Mind you, Darryn and Paddy seemed to give over the impression that they were super hyped up 24/7 ....by the way the were speaking last night, so who knows?

You are right, without Live Feed, it's futile.

[fruit_cake]

aye..better game players would have identified their weaknesses when apart from each other and exploited them..but channel 5 has protected them all along seems to me

[Mystic Mock]

I think they'd have been exposed as frauds if we had LF but we don't

I think if LF was around this year I personally think the Jedward haters will have liked them more as you would have saw there downtimes instead of the up times all the time.

Anyway the Jedward haters are thinking of stuff that even hindered them or would have helped them without realising it,but never mind.

[Roy Mars III]

Thankfully we didn't have to answer this question.

[fruit_cake]

I'll never forgive Jedward for what they did on x-factor..some of us don't forget where they came from..that girl was good and they ruined it and instead we got them. Leopards don't change their spots

[Mystic Mock]

I'll never forgive Jedward for what they did on x-factor..some of us don't forget where they came from..that girl was good and they ruined it and instead we got them. Leopards don't change their spots

Hey at least it werent like Katie Waissel against Aiden last year where it was Katies 4th time in the bottom two while it was only Aidens 1st time in the bottom two,and the judges sent it to deadlock knowing Aiden got the fewest votes.

Also TBF it was both Jedward and Lucies 1st time in the bottom two,although I dont approve of what happened,it makes more sense than the bottom two above.

[fruit_cake]

poor Aiden he's gone forever never to return

[Zippy]

poor Aiden he's gone forever never to return

did he die?

[Mystic Mock]

did he die?

:laugh3:

[joeysteele]

What I think is fabulously hilarious is the reaction to them.....STILL...... given that they didn't win !!! :joker:

Seems love them or loathe them: people can't stop talking about them regardles, or showing an interest in the Jedward machine!!!

Now THAT..... tells you that they won't fall off the radar any time soon. Great news for the Jedites I'd say!

Pyramid,I know you don't care for them at all but 'you' never ridicule their fans and you also accept they are successful celebrities at this time.You also make fair debates on them too despite your dislike of them and their act.That's very fair of you personally,thank you.

I believe though, (and those who are the usual ones hammering them on every thread they can, would firstly say they don't care a jot for what I believe or say anyway), had they won,this forum I believe would have been filled with these same people coming on saying it was planned from the start for a Jedward win by endemol and Channel 5.A fix in other words.

I never expected them to win,I am pleased they didn't win.but to deem someone as a loser that comes 3rd out of 10 places is hilarious,Whatever does that make the 4th to 10th places then.:conf:

There can only be one winner in any contest like CBB, I am glad Paddy was the one to win in the end.
Jedward and Kerry did really well too,although I don't care for Kerry at all,they did well. Those who came 2nd to 5th finished in the top half of the results but are deemed as losers?? Well,the mind boggles at that claim.:joker:

[LivT]

they came 8th in Miss World

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llihwvCqm71qhxr17o1_400.gif

Cracking up !!

[Mystic Mock]

Pyramid,I know you don't care for them at all but 'you' don't ridicule their fans and you also accept they are successful celebrities at this time.You also make fair debates on them too despite your dislike of them and their act.

I believe though, (and those who are the usual ones hammering them on every thread they can, would firstly say they don't care a jot for what I believe or say anyway), had they won,this forum I believe would have been filled with these same people coming on saying it was planned from the start for a Jedward win by endemol and Channel 5.A fix in other words.

I never expected them to win,I am pleased they didn't win.but to deem someone as a loser that comes 3rd out of 10 places is hilarious,Whatever does that make the 4th to 10th places then.:conf:

There can only be one winner in any contest like CBB, I am glad Paddy was the one to win in the end.
Jedward and Kerry did really well too,although I don't care for Kerry at all,they did well. Those who came 2nd to 5th finished in the top half of the results but are deemed as losers?? Well,the mind boggles at that claim.:joker:

I agree Joey,the biggest fault with some of the BB audience is there hypocrosy.

And I didnt know coming 4th or 5th out of 10 contestants was bad either Joey,especially the two that was 4th and 5th had a romance together,and had people fancying them so Imo if your gonna say somebody did bad then Amy and Lucien would be the ones to pick.

[joeysteele]

I agree Joey,the biggest fault with some of the BB audience is there hypocrosy.

And I didnt know coming 4th or 5th out of 10 contestants was bad either Joey,especially the two that was 4th and 5th had a romance together,and had people fancying them so Imo if your gonna say somebody did bad then Amy and Lucien would be the ones to pick.

You are so right.

They must be losers well and truly though jf, if Jedward are deemed as losers for finishing in 3rd place.

[Zippy]

They must be losers well and truly though jf, if Jedward are deemed as losers for finishing in 3rd place.

glad you agree with me that they're losers.

[joeysteele]

I said 'deemed' losers Zippy,not that 'I' thought them losers,I said that in response to your logic?as to saying that. Your logic being that someone coming 3rd out of 10 is a loser, your words not mine,so by the same token that must make those who came below 3rd in your logic, even greater losers rather than 2 of them finishing in the top half of the series.

I don't think any of them are losers as such, but if as you claim Jedward are losers coming 3rd, then those in 4th to 10 th must really be losers.
I doubt 'most' people here or anywhere else would subscribe to that view.

Anyway, as ever I agree to disagree with you on that.

[Pyramid*]

You are so right.

They must be losers well and truly though jf, if Jedward are deemed as losers for finishing in 3rd place.


Deemed being the operative word ;) rather than an affirmative.

It's all relative -what one classes as a loss, some class as a win. It's the 'glass half full' effect.

[fruit_cake]

seems to me that Jedward had an unfair advantage the whole series, channel five favoured them in the highlights show, and they had each other for moral support in the same way that Samanda did.

[Zippy]

If you don't win then you lose. By definition you are a loser. If you are expected to win and then only come 3rd....you are definitely a loser.

[Shasown]

In the long run their appearance on BB will only have added to their earning potential, they will have pleased their fanbase with their antics on the show. Consequently thier agent will ask for more money for appearances etc.

So losers, nah I dont think so.

[fruit_cake]

If you don't win then you lose. By definition you are a loser. If you are expected to win and then only come 3rd....you are definitely a loser.

given the unfair advantage they had all series 3rd was a pretty ordinary performance at best.

[joeysteele]

If you don't win then you lose. By definition you are a loser. If you are expected to win and then only come 3rd....you are definitely a loser.

So by your logic say if a football team finish 3rd in the table you would say they were losers. If a record got to 3 in the charts,its a flop because it didnt get to number one.

Or is 3rd only a losing place if Jedward are placed there,

If you ever decide to debate fairly one day Zippy, I may rise to your bait. All the best to you for now though.:hugesmile:

[Zippy]

So by your logic say if a football team finish 3rd in the table you would say they were losers. If a record got to 3 in the charts,its a flop because it didnt get to number one.


If they were expected to finish top, yes. If they were expected to get to no1, yes.

It's all relative. And last night they were the biggest losers because they had the highest expectations.

[Pyramid*]

So by your logic say if a football team finish 3rd in the table you would say they were losers. If a record got to 3 in the charts,its a flop because it didnt get to number one.

Or is 3rd only a losing place if Jedward are placed there,

If you ever decide to debate fairly one day Zippy, I may rise to your bait. All the best to you for now though.:hugesmile:

anyone who come out of a show 3rd and still has SO MANY people discussing them, talking about them, and not just their fans can NEVER be classed as losers.

If anything: it proves that the terminology WINNER is a very loose one as far as gameshows / entertainment shows are concerned. :)

[fruit_cake]

anyone who come out of a show 3rd and still has SO MANY people discussing them, talking about them, and not just their fans can NEVER be classed as losers.

If anything: it proves that the terminology WINNER is a very loose one as far as gameshows / entertainment shows are concerned. :)

loads of people talk about Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler too

[bananarama]

seems to me that Jedward had an unfair advantage the whole series, channel five favoured them in the highlights show, and they had each other for moral support in the same way that Samanda did.

CH5 need to balance what housemates are allowed to bring in......I cannot believe Jedward would have got all their trick outfits ito one suitcase.

I hope the other housemates were given a vertual unlimited amount of luggage to take in. If not Jedward would have been given an unfair advantage.....

[Pyramid*]

loads of people talk about Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler too

Goodwins Law !!! :joker:

And not usually in respect of entertainment shows.....deary me!! LOL

[fruit_cake]

CH5 need to balance what housemates are allowed to bring in......I cannot believe Jedward would have got all their trick outfits ito one suitcase.

I hope the other housemates were given a vertual unlimited amount of luggage to take in. If not Jedward would have been given an unfair advantage.....

good point.. definitely something not quite as it seems

[Shasown]

Goodwins Law !!! :joker:

Oh Bugger good spot, looks like you get the prize for tonight.

[Zippy]

Hopefully the prize is two weeks in Afghanistan

[bananarama]

All this talk about what a winner is. Simple!!!! in a competition with one prize there can only be one winner. All the rest be they second or third or what ever are the losers.....

Saying runner ups are winners is like saying people with two correct numbers on a lottery ticket are also winners because the were next to those with three correct numbers. One prize equalls one winner........

[Shasown]

One prize equalls one winner........

one prize one goal
One golden glance of what should be
It's a kind of magic

[Pyramid*]

Hopefully the prize is two weeks in Afghanistan


*what's that noise, I hear? *

DRIP, DRIP, DRIP.

Sounds a wee bit like the trickle of bitterness mabye?!!

:D

[fruit_cake]

Goodwins Law !!! :joker:

And not usually in respect of entertainment shows.....deary me!! LOL

do you think Adolf was a winner then?

[Shasown]

do you think Adolf was a winner then?

Do you know about Goodwins?Godwins Law?

[Pyramid*]

do you think Adolf was a winner then?


*Whoooosh*










Remind me which TV entertaiment show he was on........

[fruit_cake]

why don't you ask 'Goodwin' ?

[Shasown]

why don't you ask 'Goodwin' ?

Is it Godwin or Goodwin, I believe its actually Godwin in fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Godwin

[Pyramid*]

Is it Godwin or Goodwin, I believe its actually Godwin in fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Godwin


I forgot to get his phone number...... damn. I think he'd like this thread. :)

[Shasown]

I forgot to get his phone number...... damn. I think he'd like this thread. :)

When your point in a thread

Goes over someone's head

Who you going to call?

(118 118)

[joeysteele]

If they were expected to finish top, yes. If they were expected to get to no1, yes.

It's all relative. And last night they were the biggest losers because they had the highest expectations.

Jedward,Zippy, never once said they were going to win it at all,never at all. So they unless you've spoken directly to them :hugesmile:,they did not have that expectation,so again by your logic and wording, they are far from losers.

Just saying, as Brian would say,:joker:

[Pyramid*]

When your point in a thread

Goes over someone's head

Who you going to call?

(118 118)

Don't be silly..... 118 118 rates are extortionate, you know that!

I'm a canny Scots woman ...... looking after my pennies!

[Shasown]

Don't be silly..... 118 118 rates are extortionate, you know that!

I'm a canny Scots woman ...... looking after my pennies!

BT.com free directory enquiries there. Am just fecking tight.

Had to read that last line twice, thought "some woman!" damn speed reading really can drop you in the crap

[InOne]

We've knocked all you silly arguments out the park.

At the end of the day they came 3rd, god knows and god cares what they'll get out of it.

But we can all get a good feeling from the fact they didn't win :)


They gave it a good go, and Ch5 gave it a good go. But it seems the public wanted Paddy the winner. I love you lot assume we give a fck what they do after this. I really don't, my dislike was purely BB, I won't even think about them after.

So anyways KABOOOOOOOOOOM WOMANNNNNNNNNNNNNN xo

[ff10wakka]

What have Jedward done to deserve to win?

Apparently not enough!