Frank Skinner says we must Joke about Fat people

[arista]

On Radio 5 now
its his new book.



He says stop saying Fat people are OK.
They are Not OK



He has a point

[Shasown]

Have to agree, a little bit of gentle humour aimed at them, may make them stop overeating.

Its for their own good. And makes us normal people feel as if we have helped in some small way.

[arista]

Have to agree, a little bit of gentle humour aimed at them, may make them stop overeating.

Its for their own good. And makes us normal people feel as if we have helped in some small way.



Bang On Right

[lostalex]

He's an idiot. I wonder what he loks like shirtless.

Maybe we should all harass frank skinner until he has the body of an abercrombie model.

He's an ignorant bigot.

All men should lok like david beckham and all women should lok like pamela anderson, and anyone who doesn't, should be ridiculed and harassed until they do.

He's an idiot.

[Shasown]

He's an idiot. I wonder what he loks like shirtless.

Maybe we should all harass frank skinner until he has the body of an abercrombie model.

He's an ignorant bigot.

All men should lok like david beckham and all women should lok like pamela anderson, and anyone who doesn't, should be ridiculed and harassed until they do.

He's an idiot.

Thats not what he is saying at all. If you seen him you would know he isnt advocating that at all.

[arista]

"I wonder what he loks like shirtless."


He is Older now

His point on saying Fat People are Not Good
is very valid.

[lostalex]

and we wonder why plastic surgery is such a big business?

frank skinner needs to shoot the fook oop.

[Niamh.]

and we wonder why plastic surgery is such a big business?

frank skinner needs to shoot the fook oop.

How is that his fault? Surely how people react to his exercising of free speech is their own problem ;)

[Shasown]

and we wonder why plastic surgery is such a big business?

frank skinner needs to shoot the fook oop.

Why?

Weren't you one of those advocating free speech in the thread on the jailed troll? Isnt he allowed to say what he wants?

He made a humorous comment on how to reduce the increase in obesity rates in the UK, in his latest book, he is a comedian after all.

[arista]

and we wonder why plastic surgery is such a big business?

frank skinner needs to shoot the fook oop.


No he has his TV Show
and now a Book including all his newspaper clips.



Did you hear it on Radio 5 online?

[Ryan.]

I'm fat :(

[lostalex]

yes, i advocated free speech and i'm excersizing it.. how am i contradicting myself??

Free speech is about the government and justice system . What does this have to do with the government? nothing.


Why are you saying i'm being against free speech? i don't understand.

Frank skinner is free to harass fat people, and i'm free to call him a tw@t for what he said.

where is the condradiction???

[Marc]

I'm fat :(

Lose some weight then.

I don't think making fun out of them is a good thing but people who are fat only have themselves to blame (or parents). Some have medical issues but most just don't have any self discipline. You don't need too much of it, but knowing when enough is enough.

[Pyramid*]

and we wonder why plastic surgery is such a big business?

frank skinner needs to shoot the fook oop.

why? He's giving his opinion. I thought you were all for Freedom of Speech - seriously.

Fat people won't feel too comfy about it - because it is THEY who are fat.
Skinny people will mostly agree.

People with eating disorders will think he's out of order. People with drink problems probably won't.

People who have to pay excess baggage costs on flights for a kilo over - despite the fact that the guy sitting next to them is double their body weight: will agre with him.

See... it can be interpreted all different ways.

[Pyramid*]

yes, i advocated free speech and i'm excersizing it.. how am i contradicting myself??

Free speech is about the government and justice system . What does this have to do with the government? nothing.


Why are you saying i'm being against free speech? i don't understand.

Frank skinner is free to harass fat people, and i'm free to call him a tw@t for what he said.

where is the condradiction???


the contradiction is whereby you are all for free speech when it suits your agenda.

but are not for allowing someone their right to free speech without saying he should shut up : when it is a matter that happens to possibly offend you or something that you find distasteful.

[Pyramid*]

Lose some weight then.

I don't think making fun out of them is a good thing but people who are fat only have themselves to blame (or parents). Some have medical issues but most just don't have any self discipline. You don't need too much of it, but knowing when enough is enough.


Ouch!!

Brutal but very true.

Most fat people are fat due to their lifestyle and eating habits. Very few of them are fat due to medical issues (or a.n.other clinical reasons).

[Marc]

I thought it might have been a bit rude but I don't really mean to hurt anybodies feelings individually but it's true. Stop eating so much..

[lostalex]

the contradiction is whereby you are all for free speech when it suits your agenda.

but are not for allowing someone their right to free speech without saying he should shut up : when it is a matter that happens to possibly offend you or something that you find distasteful.

you make no sense,. when did i say that frank skinner should be put in jail for what he said? i didn't ever say that and i never would.

You make no sense. British people haver a fooked up idea of freedom of speech. I really don't understand. I never said anything about him being punished by the government for what he said, so how am i infringing on his freedom of speech? wtf.

[Pyramid*]

you make no sense,. when did i say that frank skinner should be put in jail for what he said? i didn't ever say that and i never would.

You make no sense. British people haver a fooked up idea of freedom of speech. I really don't understand. I never said anything about him being punished by the government for what he said, so how am i infringing on his freedom of speech? wtf.

Point me to the part in my post that I uttered a mention of Frank Skinner being put in jail - or that YOU had stated such a thing?

Then I'll consider answering any question you have.

You have the cheek to state that I make no sense. :D

Aye, very good.

[Pyramid*]

you make no sense,. when did i say that frank skinner should be put in jail for what he said? i didn't ever say that and i never would.

You make no sense. British people haver a fooked up idea of freedom of speech. I really don't understand. I never said anything about him being punished by the government for what he said, so how am i infringing on his freedom of speech? wtf.

Point me to the part in my post that I uttered on mention of Frank Skinner being put in jail - or that YOU had stated such a thing?

Then I'll consider answering any question you have.

You have the cheek to state that I make you sense. :D

Aye, very good.

[Shasown]

I thought it might have been a bit rude but I don't really mean to hurt anybodies feelings individually but it's true. Stop eating so much..

Its not just about how much they eat, its about all sorts of other things as well.

The way people eat has more effect on the weight gains some people experience than how much they actually eat. Little snacks often and the combination of food, protein to carbs at various times of the day can drastically affect the metabolism.

As can types of exercise for the time of day.

Eat slightly less and exercise(even if its just walking) a bit more.

Saying that though a lot of fat people do put too much crap into themselves.

[Pyramid*]

I thought it might have been a bit rude but I don't really mean to hurt anybodies feelings individually but it's true. Stop eating so much..

In all fairness: it's obvious that it was an 'in general comment' ..... If someone says "Look I'm fat, not helped by the fact that I had an operation on both my feet which means I'm wheelchair bound for 6 months" (or that type of thing) - it's mitigable as well as perfectly understandable.

Everything is relative.

:)

[Pyramid*]

anyone who watches these documentaries about fat people ....to obese people: the vast majority of them are in complete and utter denial as to the amount of foodstuff they eat, the type, how often and how little movement they make (not exercise as in running, jogging, zumba dance classes : movement).

It 'kills' me when you see someone sitting at 45 stone, bed ridden who suddenly get the wake up call and they say, "I want to lose weight, I want to live, I hate living this way".

What happened during the previous ten years that they were getting bigger and bigger, more and more immobile.

They didn't suddenly wake up one morning and find that their 14 stone body had somehow, morphed into a 45 stone one. That only happens in movies.

[CharlieO]

Ohh don't get me started. Fat should not be accepted it should be something people feel they need to change. Plus this whole 'curvy' women rubbish is ridiculous. Fair enough if your a size 12 woman then you are curvy. But Gok Wan telling these overweight moose that they are curvy is ridiculous.

[CharlieO]

anyone who watches these documentaries about fat people ....to obese people: the vast majority of them are in complete and utter denial as to the amount of foodstuff they eat, the type, how often and how little movement they make (not exercise as in running, jogging, zumba dance classes : movement).

It 'kills' me when you see someone sitting at 45 stone, bed ridden who suddenly get the wake up call and they say, "I want to lose weight, I want to live, I hate living this way".

What happened during the previous ten years that they were getting bigger and bigger, more and more immobile.

They didn't suddenly wake up one morning and find that their 14 stone body had somehow, morphed into a 45 stone one. That only happens in movies.

I watch them when I am craving food but I know I shouldn't eat them. Puts me right off the idea of eating.

[Shaun]

so basically he has a book to promote and said something a bit contentious. k. :idc:

-is fat; doesn't particularly care that much; would probably lose weight if I could afford to go on a specific diet/join a gym; will probably lose a bit anyway with uni budgets :laugh:-

[Vicky.]

To me..being really underweight is just as disgusting as being really overweight. But being a walking skeleton is more accepted by society.

[Pyramid*]

I watch them when I am craving food but I know I shouldn't eat them. Puts me right off the idea of eating.

Me too Charlie. The thought of eating a fat person, puts me right off my grub too.

tee hee.

:D

To me..being really underweight is just as disgusting as being really overweight. But being a walking skeleton is more accepted by society.

Could not agree more Vicky.. I'd say it was far more concerning and far more of a problem - for all concerned, but mostly for the individual - anorexia can kill very quickly. Obesity can take years for the same outcome.

[CharlieO]

To me..being really underweight is just as disgusting as being really overweight. But being a walking skeleton is more accepted by society.

I don't think it is actually, I think its just you can cover up a skeleton with clothes but its harder to disguise fat. If you lined people up naked I think people would generally be equally disgusted at the overweight and underweight person.

[CharlieO]

Me too Charlie. The thought of eating a fat person, puts me right off my grub too.

tee hee.

:D


If a really really overweight person is sitting near me in a restaurant I can't eat properly. All I get is thought of being like that when I am older. But they have to be really fat.

[arista]

I'm fat :(


Thats OK


All he is saying is Joke about Fat Folks
helps them in a way.


Stop all this never attack Fat people

[Vicky.]

I don't think it is actually, I think its just you can cover up a skeleton with clothes but its harder to disguise fat. If you lined people up naked I think people would generally be equally disgusted at the overweight and underweight person.

I did say to me. Its not an opinion I expect to be shared. Being ridiculously skinny is seen as fine to most. I dont see why.

[Jords]

I love really fat people they make me feel better.

[Shaun]

Jords [2]

I was watching Supersize vs. Superskinny this morning and this 23yo was 27 stone :o

[CharlieO]

I'm fat :(

This is talking about overweight, not fat that someone perfectly fine is self-conscious about.

[CharlieO]

I did say to me. Its not an opinion I expect to be shared. Being ridiculously skinny is seen as fine to most. I dont see why.

Really skinny is horrible. :yuk:

[Niamh.]

lmao Jordy!

[CharlieO]

I love really fat people they make me feel better.

Same. If I'm around loads of fat people I feel good. I get so self-consious around other youths in say a shopping centre though.

[Suze]

To me..being really underweight is just as disgusting as being really overweight. But being a walking skeleton is more accepted by society.

Too true, both are bad for the health. Being underweight can lead to anorexia, where the body eats it's own muscle then as the body needs food, and the heart is a muscle which is very worrying for underweight anorexic people then. Fat people know they're fat, anorexic people cannot see that they are underweight a lot of the time.

Also anxiety, depression, needing love/attention, as well as certain illnesses or parents who push some children to over eat from an early age because they themselves do the same, different rates of metabolism, can all be a factor in being overweight, and I should think some probably even need counselling to feel better about themselves and an incentive to lose weight.

All those things need to be considered, so Frank Skinner is just being a heartless idiot in my opinion, picking out something he knows will get him attention. There are ways and means of getting a message across better than he has. Who made him the advocate for it all anyway? when he looks like shyte with his body.

Just my own honest opinion.

[Niamh.]

Jords [2]

I was watching Supersize vs. Superskinny this morning and this 23yo was 27 stone :o

and it's always down to the sheer volume of food on that show. It's scary the amount of food that some of them eat:shocked:

[Vicky.]

That said, my personal preferance in blokes...is skinny. Not really skinny like bones sticking out though, but gangly looking types :laugh:

I once slept with a guy who was a tiny bit overweight(a bit being maybe a stone or so, with clothes on you couldnt even tell he was overweight tbh) and it quite repulsed me. A bit hypocritical...because Im not exactly perfect myself, buy hey-ho

[arista]

so basically he has a book to promote and said something a bit contentious. k. :idc:

-is fat; doesn't particularly care that much; would probably lose weight if I could afford to go on a specific diet/join a gym; will probably lose a bit anyway with uni budgets :laugh:-



The Book has many Attacks
thats his style.


All he said was we (meaning comdey people) should be able to Joke about Fat People
It helps them understand they need to get slimmer.


Its a Fair Comment
in this PC time.

[Shaun]

yeah, he had snacks at night of like 2 chocolate bars and 5 bags of crisps :bored: and 25 meatballs with pasta for dinner... :yuk:

[CharlieO]

That said, my personal preferance in blokes...is skinny. Not really skinny like bones sticking out though, but gangly looking types :laugh:

I once slept with a guy who was a tiny bit overweight(a bit being maybe a stone or so, with clothes on you couldnt even tell he was overweight tbh) and it quite repulsed me. A bit hypocritical...because Im not exactly perfect myself, buy hey-ho

He cant have been technically over weight if you couldn't see it through clothes just a little too tubby for your liking. :tongue:

[Niamh.]

yeah, he had snacks at night of like 2 chocolate bars and 5 bags of crisps :bored: and 25 meatballs with pasta for dinner... :yuk:

Oh Christ, that's just crazy, there was another one I watched and this guy was eating 3 full dinner plates of food for his dinner everyday, it was ridiculous

[Ryan.]

Well I kow I comfort eat a lot and dont really exercise a great deal bar karate. But IMO to say that the solution is to make fun of them is disgusting.

Example. "Naturally" people aren't supposed to be gay, single, anorexic or have plastic surgery. But should we take the piss out of them until THEY change.

I don't have a problem with fatty jokes. But it shouldnt be so that we learn.

IMO it's no better than that MP who said fat people like James cordon and Dawn French could not be allowed on tv as it normalises obesity.

[CharlieO]

Well I kow I comfort eat a lot and dont really exercise a great deal bar karate. But IMO to say that the solution is to make fun of them is disgusting.

Example. "Naturally" people aren't supposed to be gay, single, anorexic or have plastic surgery. But should we take the piss out of them until THEY change.

I don't have a problem with fatty jokes. But it shouldnt be so that we learn.

IMO it's no better than that MP who said fat people like James cordon and Dawn French could not be allowed on tv as it normalises obesity.

None of them indefinitely damage ones health.

[Vicky.]

He cant have been technically over weight if you couldn't see it through clothes just a little too tubby for your liking. :tongue:
He wasnt technically overweight really. Just...carrying a little excess baggy stomach :laugh:

Thats when I realised skinny guys were my thing. It really put me off, even though there wasnt really anything wrong with him

/superficial

[Shasown]

That said, my personal preferance in blokes...is skinny. Not really skinny like bones sticking out though, but gangly looking types :laugh:

I once slept with a guy who was a tiny bit overweight(a bit being maybe a stone or so, with clothes on you couldnt even tell he was overweight tbh) and it quite repulsed me. A bit hypocritical...because Im not exactly perfect myself, buy hey-ho

Didnt get much sleep then?

[Kazanne]

We are all different shapes and sizes,you'de think by now we would have learnt to accept each other whatever our differences and they say the human race is the most intelligent,lol,I think not.

[Vicky.]

Didnt get much sleep then?

I got a bit more sleep than I would have got had he been skinny :tongue:

[arista]

Well I kow I comfort eat a lot and dont really exercise a great deal bar karate. But IMO to say that the solution is to make fun of them is disgusting.

Example. "Naturally" people aren't supposed to be gay, single, anorexic or have plastic surgery. But should we take the piss out of them until THEY change.

I don't have a problem with fatty jokes. But it shouldnt be so that we learn.

IMO it's no better than that MP who said fat people like James cordon and Dawn French could not be allowed on tv as it normalises obesity.


Yes Fat Cocky James was attacked at a Award show
as well.

[Ryan.]

We are all different shapes and sizes,you'de think by now we would have learnt to accept each other whatever our differences and they say the human race is the most intelligent,lol,I think not.

This.

[Suze]

We are all different shapes and sizes,you'de think by now we would have learnt to accept each other whatever our differences and they say the human race is the most intelligent,lol,I think not.

I kind of agree with you, but I think some people are just crying out for help and a bit of compassion, as in some obese people, and they should be given that rather than subjected to ridicule, as what does it say about some of us who do the ridiculing otherwise :(

[CharlieO]

We do accept each other, we just don't think its the best option. No one in western society really truly wants to be fat so why make it out to be ok.

[Vicky.]

Also, you dont always get overweight from eating too much(or having a medical problem).

Sometimes its just easting the wrong stuff. If you have a lot of processed crap in your diet, then you are more likely to be overweight.

I know this because of when I was on the dole. I put on about 2 stone in a few months because I couldnt afford to buy the fresh stuff I used to buy...instead making do with stuff like bags of chicken nuggets etc. I actually ate quite a bit less food, but because of the **** quality of it, I put weight on.

[Pyramid*]

Well I kow I comfort eat a lot and dont really exercise a great deal bar karate. But IMO to say that the solution is to make fun of them is disgusting.

Example. "Naturally" people aren't supposed to be gay, single, anorexic or have plastic surgery. But should we take the piss out of them until THEY change.

I don't have a problem with fatty jokes. But it shouldnt be so that we learn.

IMO it's no better than that MP who said fat people like James cordon and Dawn French could not be allowed on tv as it normalises obesity.

You seriously think that being gay is unnatural? You don't think that some people are simply borne to prefer their own sex?

You think many anorexics choose to be so ...... many stem not from a natural or unnatural desire: but due to a whole host of psychological reasons arisen by situations / environmental factors which may have been forced upon them.

I'm sorry to say this as I don't do it very often, but for you to say what you have in these respects, has to be one of the most ignorant things I have read for a long time.

[Pyramid*]

Didnt get much sleep then?

Au contraire; I'd say she probably got a good sleep !!

[Vicky.]

You think many anorexics choose to be so ...... many stem not from a natural or unnatural desire: but due to a whole host of psychological reasons arisen by situations / environmental factors which may have been forced upon them.


I also think this. maybe not in the later stages (IE. when they are going to die if they dont eat, I do believe that after a few months or so the anorexia takes over) but certainly in the early stages.

[Ryan.]

You seriously think that being gay is unnatural? You don't think that some people are simply borne to not prefer their own sex?

You think many anorexics choose to be so ...... many stem not from a natural or unnatural desire: but due to a whole host of psychological reasons arisen by situations / environmental factors which may have been forced upon them.

I'm sorry to say this as I don't do it very often, but for you to say what you have in these respects, has to be one of the most ignorant things I have read for a long time.

I had an anorexic cousin asshole. And a gay friend. So dont tell me that I'm ignorant.

Of course people are born gay. But "naturally" they cannot reproduce. If nature had designed all people to be gay. Well, they're be no people.

And don't seriously try to claim anorexia is natural. Certainly not hierarchy fault, but equally as emotionally based as over eating can be.

[Kazanne]

We do accept each other, we just don't think its the best option. No one in western society really truly wants to be fat so why make it out to be ok.

Sorry but we obviously do NOT accept it,hence fat people being ridiculed,and you cannot talk for everyone in the Western world,it is up to each individual what they do with their bodies so who are we to tell them WE do not like their option to be bigger,they have enough information and help to do something about it if they want to,the only reason they are not happy as you say is simply because the rest of society shuns it and takes the pee,when sometimes it is not even an overeating problem.Live and let live I say.

[Shasown]

I got a bit more sleep than I would have got had he been skinny :tongue:

About an hour then? ;)

[Pyramid*]

I had an anorexic sister asshole. And a gay friend. So dont tell me that I'm ignorant.

Of course people are born gay. But "naturally" they cannot reproduce. If nature had designed all people to be gay. Well, they're be no people.

And don't seriously try to claim anorexia is natural. Certainly not hierarchy fault, but equally as emotionally based as over eating can be.

Your sister was called "Asshole". ?

Anne might have been a nicer name, but hey: there you go.

I think you will find that it is not only gays who cannot reproduce naturally. Many hetro men and woman fall into the same bracket. Should they be regarded as unnatural?

[Shasown]

I had an anorexic cousin asshole. And a gay friend. So dont tell me that I'm ignorant.

Of course people are born gay. But "naturally" they cannot reproduce. If nature had designed all people to be gay. Well, they're be no people.

And don't seriously try to claim anorexia is natural. Certainly not hierarchy fault, but equally as emotionally based as over eating can be.

There is always one isnt there?

[Vicky.]

About an hour then? ;)

LOL. You know me too well :wink:

[Pyramid*]

There is always one isnt there?

What assholes? I'm pretty chuffed with my one ...... I'd be in a helluva state without it, that's for sure.

[Shasown]

I had an anorexic cousin asshole. And a gay friend. So dont tell me that I'm ignorant.

Of course people are born gay. But "naturally" they cannot reproduce. If nature had designed all people to be gay. Well, they're be no people.

And don't seriously try to claim anorexia is natural. Certainly not hierarchy fault, but equally as emotionally based as over eating can be.

Your sister was called "Asshole". ?

Anne might have been a nicer name, but hey: there you go.

I think you will find that it is not only gays who cannot reproduce naturally. Many hetro men and woman fall into the same bracket. Should they be regarded as unnatural?

I think you will find most Gays can reproduce naturally, unless they have an underlying fertility problem.

Its shoe fetists I feel most sorry for. They will probably never know whats its like to have their own baby mocassin.

[Ryan.]

There is always one isnt there?

Lol tbh I really find fatty jokes funny so I'm not even sure why I'm arguing lol

Edit: it was my cousin btw, not sure why I said sister. But yea, my point still stands.

[Marc]

so basically he has a book to promote and said something a bit contentious. k. :idc:

-is fat; doesn't particularly care that much; would probably lose weight if I could afford to go on a specific diet/join a gym; will probably lose a bit anyway with uni budgets :laugh:-

You definitely will :laugh:

To me..being really underweight is just as disgusting as being really overweight. But being a walking skeleton is more accepted by society.

That's a matter of opinion though, I don't have the right to say who is and who isn't accepted in society but I see skinny people, like really badly skinny and it has the same effect on me than overweight people do.

[Pyramid*]

I think you will find most Gays can reproduce naturally, unless they have an underlying fertility problem.
.

You KNOW what I mean. *scud*



Its shoe fetists I feel most sorry for. They will probably never know whats its like to have their own baby mocassin.
:joker:

[Shasown]

What assholes? I'm pretty chuffed with my one ...... I'd be in a helluva state without it, that's for sure.

No, someone in a thread who doesnt understand the point somene else is trying to make and then decides to throw out insults instead of explanations.

Funny thing is I am always there, so it must be my fault, I take 100% responsibility for everything in my reality.

How very Ho'oponopono eh?

[Pyramid*]

Lol tbh I really find fatty jokes funny so I'm not even sure why I'm arguing lol

Edit: it was my cousin btw, not sure why I said sister. But yea, my point still stands.


Possibly because when people aint' telling the truth, they naturally trip themselves up.

Must be the mocassins.

[Pyramid*]

No, someone in a thread who doesnt understand the point somene else is trying to make and then decides to throw out insults instead of explanations.

Funny thing is I am always there, so it must be my fault, I take 100% responsibility for everything in my reality.

How very Ho'oponopono eh?

I KNOW ;) ........ t'was a little bit of y'on banter stuff of the humorous variety.

[CharlieO]

Your sister was called "Asshole". ?

Anne might have been a nicer name, but hey: there you go.

I think you will find that it is not only gays who cannot reproduce naturally. Many hetro men and woman fall into the same bracket. Should they be regarded as unnatural?

:joker::joker:

[Ryan.]

Possibly because when people aint' telling the truth, they naturally trip themselves up.

Must be the mocassins.

Ok, hello pyramid! I'm going to leave this thread now because apparently on this forum you operate a policy of "agree with us or **** off". It been nice having the debate though!

[Shasown]

Possibly because when people aint' telling the truth, they naturally trip themselves up.

Must be the mocassins.

It could of course have simply been a Freudian slip, but enough of the psychology eh?

[Pyramid*]

Ok, hello pyramid! I'm going to leave this thread now because apparently on this forum you operate a policy of "agree with us or **** off". It been nice having the debate though!


Nope. I'm a genera member, same as you. One who doesn't put up with pathetic insults when another member is bang out of order.


It could of course have simply been a Freudian slip, but enough of the psychology eh?

Nah... barking up wrong trees.

Humour my good man... humour!!!

[Mystic Mock]

Ok if we can joke about Fat people then we can also joke about Black people,Asian people,White people,Gays and Lesbians,Transexuals,and Religions.

Afterall you cant just mock Fat people and think its fine but if you mock anybodys colour or sexuality,its your bad for saying that.

[arista]

Ok if we can joke about Fat people then we can also joke about Black people,Asian people,White people,Gays and Lesbians,Transexuals,and Religions.

Afterall you cant just mock Fat people and think its fine but if you mock anybodys colour or sexuality,its your bad for saying that.




No just Fat people
he does not want a War.



Fat Jokes can be any Color Person.

[Beastie]

He's right. We need to get people eating more healthily and stop being obese.

There are healthy people getting cancer while fat people are getting cancers and diseases but because it is their own fault of what they have put in their mouth.

Okay some fat people have psychological problems and people shouldn't be as narrow minded when they see a fat person walking down the street.

But the supermarkets need to decrease the price in good quality products like fruit and veg!

Stop playing on the games consoles and get off your fat arse and do something!! Like a long walk at least. No excuse that "oh it's raining".

However people need to stop being picky. Obesity is a problem. But what is NOT a problem is people who are a bit overweight and curvylicious and are a size 14/16.

[Pyramid*]

Ok if we can joke about Fat people then we can also joke about Black people,Asian people,White people,Gays and Lesbians,Transexuals,and Religions.

Afterall you cant just mock Fat people and think its fine but if you mock anybodys colour or sexuality,its your bad for saying that.


Not one fat person is borne 20stone.

As God is my witness.

[arista]

"He's right. We need to get people eating more healthily and stop being obese."


Yes thats what the debate was all about
Richard Bacon did not push him much on his Fat Joke Demand.

[Beastie]

Ok if we can joke about Fat people then we can also joke about Black people,Asian people,White people,Gays and Lesbians,Transexuals,and Religions.

Afterall you cant just mock Fat people and think its fine but if you mock anybodys colour or sexuality,its your bad for saying that.

True. But being fat is more life threatening. You should have freedom of speech but yeah in terms of what other things you can joke about.. like Arista said that could cause a war and ****.

But also... if we can joke about fat people we should be able to joke about skinny people too? I think though it's more life threatening being fat. If you are skinny.. well it's usually easier to put on the weight than lose it!

[Ryan.]

He's right. We need to get people eating more healthily and stop being obese.

There are healthy people getting cancer while fat people are getting cancers and diseases but because it is their own fault of what they have put in their mouth.

Okay some fat people have psychological problems and people shouldn't be as narrow minded when they see a fat person walking down the street.

But the supermarkets need to decrease the price in good quality products like fruit and veg!

Stop playing on the games consoles and get off your fat arse and do something!! Like a long walk at least. No excuse that "oh it's raining".

However people need to stop being picky. Obesity is a problem. But what is NOT a problem is people who are a bit overweight and curvylicious and are a size 14/16.

Now see this I agree with. Its ludicrous that you can buy a bag of crisps and a drink for less than an apple.

[Shasown]

Now see this I agree with. Its ludicrous that you can buy a bag of crisps and a drink for less than an apple.

Welcome back Ryan, put your ball down over there mate.


Very true but certain brands of foodstuff have their own pricing policies, etc.

Mind you some fruit and veg is so soaked in pesticides and preservatives it might be healthier eating the crisps.

[Marc]

A tax on bad food. They've spoken about it in the past, but if they do that then poorer people will just starve!

[Mystic Mock]

No just Fat people
he does not want a War.



Fat Jokes can be any Color Person.

I know it can be any coloured person,but I was just throwing out an example.

I just dont get why its ok to mock Fat people but if you mock somebodys colour or sexuality,you have people calling you a Racist or Homophobic left,right,and center,its stupid and hypocritical.

[Shasown]

I know it can be any coloured person,but I was just throwing out an example.

Yeah however obesity is something that is bad for the sufferers health, it has a detrimental effect on their relatives health, and its can be fairly easily remedied in a lot of cases if the person is given sufficient incentive and motivation. Not to mention its a drain on health services resources currently and anticipated to be more so in the future.

In a few years time when you cant get a much needed operation to improve your quality of life because of all the lardies have spent the budget on having their second or third set of liposuction, will you see the humour in the situation of you defending them today?

I dont think age, gender, colour, race, creed and sexual preferences fall into the same sort of category, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

[Pyramid*]

I know it can be any coloured person,but I was just throwing out an example.

I just dont get why its ok to mock Fat people but if you mock somebodys colour or sexuality,you have people calling you a Racist or Homophobic left,right,and center,its stupid and hypocritical.

Most fat people are fat due to what they are eating, the amount vs their lack of desire to burn up the amount of calories they consume. Most, not all, but generally. It can be avoided. They are abusing their bodies.

Black people have no choice in the colour of skin that they are born with. It cannot be avoided. they are not abusing their bodies.

Do you see the difference?

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah however obesity is something that is bad for the sufferers health, it has a detrimental effect on their relatives health, and its can be fairly easily remedied in a lot of cases if the person is given sufficient incentive and motivation. Not to mention its a drain on health services resources currently and anticipated to be more so in the future.

In a few years time when you cant get a much needed operation to improve your quality of life because of all the lardies have spent the budget on having their second or third set of liposuction, will you see the humour in the situation of you defending them today?

I dont think age, gender, colour, race, creed and sexual preferences fall into the same sort of category, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Im saying that people just make a joke about anything other than Fat people (they probably dont even mean it) and they get attacked by the leftie brigade saying that your a Racist,Homophobic,or Ageist.

[Shasown]

Im saying that people just make a joke about anything other than Fat people (they probably dont even mean it) and they get attacked by the leftie brigade saying that your a Racist,Homophobic,or Ageist.

Yes I understand that part of your recent posts.

However Mr Skinner was making a joke to get over the point that a lot of obese people simply need motivation and incentive to slim down, or stop eating junk food. A good way of motivating people into doing things for themselves or standing up for themselves is to ridicule them.

[lostalex]

It's just stupid to say that fat people should "just stop eating" it's like saying to a heroin addict "just stop".

Addiction is not that simple, it's a disease. Educate yourselves.

All addiction is the same in the brain... food, sex, drugs, gambling..
It is so patronizing to say "well just stop". just because you can eat or gamble or have sex in moderation does not mean it's the same for a person with an addiction.

Open your mind and realize that if it was that simple of course they would do so. If it was that simple of course they would.

[Pyramid*]

It's just stupid to say that fat people should "just stop eating" it's like saying to a heroin addict "just stop".

Addiction is not that simple, it's a disease. Educate yourselves.

So you are implying that ALL FAT / OVERWEIGHT people are addicts?

[Shasown]

It's just stupid to say that fat people should "just stop eating" it's like saying to a heroin addict "just stop".

Addiction is not that simple, it's a disease. Educate yourselves.

But in a lot of cases its not food addiction, its laziness, lack of motivation, ignorance and simple greed.

Physician, heal thyself.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes I understand that part of your recent posts.

However Mr Skinner was making a joke to get over the point that a lot of obese people simply need motivation and incentive to slim down, or stop eating junk food. A good way of motivating people into doing things for themselves or standing up for themselves is to ridicule them.

How about freedom of choice and let them do what they want as there not hurting anybody.

[Shasown]

How about freedom of choice and let them do what they want as there not hurting anybody.

Read post #88

Think about it. Especially the first two paragraphs

Oh and its they're

Homophones eh?

[Pyramid*]

How about freedom of choice and let them do what they want as there not hurting anybody.

They impact on the economy in respect of health issues yet pay very little back in return pro rata.

They take up far too much room on plane seats and I object to having to pay for one measly kilo over my luggage allowance when some gannit weights two and three times my body weight.

Also: since I'm quite small, if an obese person sits in a seat in front of me at the cinema - I cannot see past their more than ample frame and I am the one inconvenienced..

[lostalex]

They impact on the economy in respect of health issues yet pay very little back in return pro rata.

They take up far too much room on plane seats and I object to having to pay for one measly kilo over my luggage allowance when some gannit weights two and three times my body weight.

Also: since I'm quite small, if an obese person sits in a seat in front of me at the cinema - I cannot see past their more than ample frame and I am the one inconvenienced..

so everyone that is a burden to you, should face shame? Well how abouyt people with disabilities? do you also resent them?? also children..., poeple that don't speak your language??

How many inconviences are you willing to suffer to live in a diverse world??

This is a diverse world, we are not all the same, we all have different struggles. Get used to it.

[Mystic Mock]

Read post #88

Think about it. Especially the first two paragraphs

Oh and its they're

Homophones eh?

1. I dont give a **** about there or they"re.

2. Its not just Fat people draining our resources,as we have got nuclear Power Plants as far as the eye can see thats draining alot of our resources,then just people driving in cars or motorbikes are also draining our resources also.

[Pyramid*]

so everyone that is a burden to you, should face shame? Well how abouyt people with disabilities? do you also resent them?? also children..., poeple that don't speak your language??

How many inconviences are you willing to suffer to live in a diverse world??

This is a diverse world, we are not all the same, we all have different struggles. Get used to it.


*reverts back to kindergarten*

Make me.

[Pyramid*]

1. I dont give a **** about there or they"re.

2. Its not just Fat people draining our resources,as we have got nuclear Power Plants as far as the eye can see thats draining alot of our resources,then just people driving in cars or motorbikes are also draining our resources also.


Jedward, you know I love you to bits, but I can no longer take this thread seriously when nuclear power plants are compared to fat people.
:D :D

[CharlieO]

The thread isn't about not allowing people to be fat. They are just saying there is no benefit in making it seem as acceptable and 'normal' when it shouldn't be and how we shouldn't be sensitive towards them when it could help them.

[Mystic Mock]

Jedward, you know I love you to bits, but I can no longer take this thread seriously when nuclear power plants are compared to fat people.
:D :D

Im just saying that they also are a course for the planets resources being drained.

Anyway Pyramid did you get the fat person to move when you couldnt see the film at the cinema?:joker:

[lostalex]

The thread isn't about not allowing people to be fat. They are just saying there is no benefit in making it seem as acceptable and 'normal' when it shouldn't be and how we shouldn't be sensitive towards them when it could help them.
And what is "normal" then? I'd really like to know. :conf:

is white more normal than black? is tall more normal than short? is skinny more normal than fat? Is man more normal than woman? Is gay more normal than straight?

what is normal?, and is normal good?

No, MOSt people in the world are NOT straight white skinny men. actually, straight white skinny men are a MINORITY. They are not normal at all. It is aparteid to give str8 white skinny men such power.

We all live under aparteid.

[Pyramid*]

Im just saying that they also are a course for the planets resources being drained.

Anyway Pyramid did you get the fat person to move when you couldnt see the film at the cinema?:joker:


I was not referring to the planet's resources. I was thinking a lot closer to home as far as the drains on the NHS are concerned.

But let's go back to the planets resources. they will wash more clothing as they will naturally sweat more, more washings mean more water being used, more detergents going in and polluting our rivers, more costs to water works etc.

All that extra washing will cause quicker damage to washign machines - what happens to the old one.... that's right, they get shipped off to some poor country and left on their doorstep.

See.....it's all relative.

[CharlieO]

And what is "normal" then? I'd really like to know. :conf:

is white more normal than black? is tall more normal than short? is skinny more normal than fat? Is man more normal than woman? Is gay more normal than straight?

what is normal?, and is normal good?

No, MOSt people in the world are NOT straight white skinny men. actually, straight white skinny men are a MINORITY> they are not normal at all.

What the many doctors and scientists have concluded as a healthy 'normal' BMI. That is what normal is weight wise as that is what is healthiest.

[Pyramid*]

And what is "normal" then? I'd really like to know. :conf:

is white more normal than black? is tall more normal than short? is skinny more normal than fat? Is man more normal than woman? Is gay more normal than straight?

what is normal?, and is normal good?

No, MOSt people in the world are NOT straight white skinny men. actually, straight white skinny men are a MINORITY> they are not normal at all.

*am doing what the obese should do. Am resisting tempation*

:D

[Shasown]

1. I dont give a **** about there or they"re.

2. Its not just Fat people draining our resources,as we have got nuclear Power Plants as far as the eye can see thats draining alot of our resources,then just people driving in cars or motorbikes are also draining our resources also.

1. Obviously not

2. Are you wearing plastic gloves or something? Are your hands wet?

The reason I ask is you dont seem to have a grip on reality.

Nuclear plants dont waste resources, they generate large amount of energy for small amounts of resources, unlike coal oil or gas burning power stations. They do however leave small amounts of very nasty by products. Swings and roundabouts I suppose.

But what has that got to do with the price of eggs?

[lostalex]

What the many doctors and scientists have concluded as a healthy 'normal' BMI. That is what normal is weight wise as that is what is healthiest.
a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

get real.

[Shasown]

a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

Yes and this skinny person will slap you right out of this year if you do.

In other words.

You do what you feel is right and live with the consequences. However expect some sort of backlash if the consequences impact adversely on someone else

[lostalex]

Yes and this skinny person will slap you right out of this year if you do.

In other words.

You do what you feel is right and live with the consequences. However expect some sort of backlash if the consequences impact adversely on someone else

when you live in society, you expect compassion from others, that is the point of a society.

I think you are missing the point. that's MY point.

[CharlieO]

a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

get real.

No where in this thread does it condone being underweight, 'skinny' and unhealthy. This thread is about overweight people, it doesn't say we should starve fat people until they are underweight did it. Plus I said 'healthy normal BMI' which means you are not underweight nor overweight thus you are in the realms of being healthy.

So I do not understand where your point comes into play?

[Pyramid*]

a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

get real.


:laugh2:

Irony much.

[Shasown]

when you live in society, you expect compassion from others, that is the point of a society.

I think you are missing the point. that's MY point.

And one way of showing compassion is to help the person reduce weight down from being obese to a healthier weight, the only person who can actually lose the weight is the person needing to lose it, they have to take responsibility for their own lives.

If motivating them to lose weight helps them gain a safe weight isnt that showing compassion?


Or are you still missing Frank Skinners Point and if you are is it deliberate?

[lostalex]

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

[Shasown]

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

I could mention the words "entirely preventable" but would just be wasting my time, you would simply change the goalposts again.

As for referencing racism well you know all about that!

[lostalex]

Yes i do know about it, so i know it when i see it, and i know the ugly eyes on someone who thinks that way.

[Pyramid*]

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

Other than telling people to 'Get real', 'you arent paying attention',
if you honestly and truly cannot understand the more salient, critical and serious points that many people have offered up - more recently Charlie O for example as well as others on here and make sense of them, there really is no point in continuing the discussion with you.

[lostalex]

There's no point in continuing i agree, because you can't argue with a bigot. That is the definition of a bigot.

[Pyramid*]

There's no point in continuing i agree, because you can't argue with a bigot. That is the definition of a bigot.


And you my friend are breaking the rules of this forum I believe.

Main rules...

1. Treat other forum members with respect, no insults. *Important*


No use going around throwing insult about because you are failing to understand some /many of the points raised.

[lostalex]

And you my friend are breaking the rules of this forum I believe.



No use going around throwing insult about because you are failing to understand some /many of the points raised.

bigot is not an insult. It's an actual descriptive term. Someone that you cannot argue with, they have their mind made up.

That is what a bigot is. Google it. What other word can i use?

[Pyramid*]

bigot is not an insult. It's an actual descriptive term. Someone that you cannot argue with, they have their mind made up.

That is what a bigot is. Google it. What other word can i use?

Happy to provide.



a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race


It's an insult and it is regarded as an offensive term - which you are using to use toward other forum members on a personal level, rather than dealing with the actual subject matter.

[Mystic Mock]

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.
I couldnt have put it better myself,but some people on this forum are everything ists and isms.

[Shasown]

There's no point in continuing i agree, because you can't argue with a bigot. That is the definition of a bigot.

Glad you can see the problem I have then Alex, night night poppet.

[Pyramid*]

I couldnt have put it better myself,but some people on this forum are everything ists and isms.


And when all else fails: resort to insults and comments on a personal level.

Thread closed...... ;)

[CharlieO]

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

No one here is 'targeting' them. We are discussing our beliefs towards it. And it is different to racism as one can easily change it. No one can change their race but people can change their size, ergo not in the realms or same category as racism.

[lostalex]

And when all else fails: resort to insults and comments on a personal level.

Thread closed...... ;)

when all else fails, cue bureaucracy.

dude, you can't support your argument, so now you are claiming to be the victim??

You don't see the irony?? lol

[Mystic Mock]

And when all else fails: resort to insults and comments on a personal level.

Thread closed...... ;)

I havent named any names.:sad:

[lostalex]

I'd really like to hear Pyramid explain how anyone has insulted him on a personal level. I don't know anything about you personally, so how could i target you personally??

I"m very curious to know the answer to that lol.

[CharlieO]

Pyramid is a woman, lostalex.

[lostalex]

No one here is 'targeting' them. We are discussing our beliefs towards it. And it is different to racism as one can easily change it. No one can change their race but people can change their size, ergo not in the realms or same category as racism.

ummm,. no that's not true at all. Anyone with any knowledge at all would know that that is complete crap to say that it's EASY to change your size. I have several members of my family that suffer from obesity, and it's no different to addiction.

The fact that you can say it's EASY to change it is complete and utter crap. IN fact it's easier to have your skin bleached than it is to over come obesity, so your statement is crap.


Ask any medical professional how easy it is to overcome obesity. Educate yourself plz.

[lostalex]

Pyramid is a woman, lostalex.


okay, so i'm attacking HER personally,m and i don't even know that she's a woman?? yea, i'm obviously so PERSONALLY attacking her then lol. Thank you for proving my point.

[CharlieO]

ummm,. no that's not true at all. Anyone with any knowledge at all would know that that is complete crap to say that it's EASY to change your size. I have several members of my family that suffer from obesity, and it's no different to addiction.

The fact that you can say it's EASY to change it is complete and euttewr crap. IN fact it's easier to have your skin bleached than it is to over come obesity, so your statement is crap.


Ask any medical professional how easy it is to overcome obesity. Educate yourself plz.

Excuse me. It is impossible to change your race. We are not talking skin colour, colour does not change race and its rather ignorant that you think it does. You clearly are narrow minded and thinking of just white and black, what about asians (the majority of people on the world are asian and you disregard them as a race?). Overcoming obesity is easy in comparison to changing race. All it takes is will power and determination, everyone possesses it but some just can't be bothered.

And I am sure you would tell a drug addict to go to rehab, so why not send these so called people with 'addictions' to a fat camp?

[CharlieO]

okay, so i'm attacking HER personally,m and i don't even know that she's a woman?? yea, i'm obviously so PERSONALLY attacking her then lol. Thank you for proving my point.

Once again your ignorance comes into play. There is more to Pyramid than her gender so you could still easily 'personally' attack her. One doesn't have to know every detail about a person to attack them on a personal level.

I am not saying you are in the slightest though. I haven't even read your guys posts because I don't care to be honest.

[lostalex]

Excuse me. It is impossible to change your race. We are not talking skin colour, colour does not change race and its rather ignorant that you think it does. You clearly are narrow minded and thinking of just white and black, what about asians (the majority of people on the world are asian and you disregard them as a race?). Overcoming obesity is easy in comparison to changing race. All it takes is will power and determination, everyone possesses it but some just can't be bothered.

And I am sure you would tell a drug addict to go to rehab, so why not send these so called people with 'addictions' to a fat camp?

because once again, not all FAT poeople are unhealthy, have you not been paying attention? there are plenty of unhealthy skinny people! what don't you understand about that?

let me say it again, loud, so you can hear..


SKINNY PEOPLE CAN BE UNHEALTHY TOO, GET IT???

how many more times or ways do you need to be educated???

[CharlieO]

because once again, not all FAT poeople are unhealthy, have you not been paying attention? there are plenty of unhealthy skinny people! what don't you understand about that?

let me say it again, loud, so you can hear..


SKINNY PEOPLE CAN BE UNHEALTHY TOO, GET IT???

how many more times or ways do you need to be educated???

Are you mental?

Not once in my thread does it mention skinny people or the fact fat people are all unhealthy. I was specifically referring to OBESE people.

[lostalex]

Let me try to explain this to our more simple minded forum members who think that FAT people are a burden on the NHS...

Please explain to me how a fat person that dies age 65 is BURDEN on the NHS compared to the SKINNY person who dies aged 95?? That means that skinny people use an extra 30 years of NHS services than fat people.

Skinny people put MORE burden on the NHS, not fat people. IF as you say fat people are unhealthy and die earlier, then you say that they put MORE burden on the NHS when they die younger??

Simples math should tell you otherwise.

Obviously, if someone is dying at a younger age, that is LESS burden on the NHS.

Why is it these people can't do simple math???

[Niamh.]

Can you all try to debate the topic of the thread without getting personal please.

[Pyramid*]

Let me try to explain this to our more simple minded forum members who think that FAT people are a burden on the NHS...

Please explain to me how a fat person that dies age 65 is BURDEN on the NHS compared to the SKINNY person who dies aged 95?? That means that skinny people use an extra 30 years of NHS services than fat people.

Skinny people put MORE burden on the NHS, not fat people. IF as you say fat people are unhealthy and die earlier, then you say that they put MORE burden on the NHS when they die younger??

Simples math should tell you otherwise.

Obviously, if someone is dying at a younger age, that is LESS burden on the NHS.

Why is it these people can't do simple math???

Be nice lostalex to fellow members, it's called a bit of respect that us 'simple minded' folk over in the UK like to afford one another.

Anyhow: I'll bite.

I hate to point out the obvious errors in your calculations above: who is saying that skinny people between the ages of 66-95 even require anything from the NHS - at all.

Many are very healthy and need no treatment whatsoever because they have eaten the right things, because they have exercised and taken care of their body, inside and out. Give or take the odd annual flu jab.

Most obese people have breathing difficulties and require several types of medications, as well as meds to prevent DVT etc, and that's not taking into account the treatment for their heart attacks, operations for heart bypasses etc, meds for their heart conditions due to the excess stress their obesity places on the internal organs, high blood pressure, wasted attempts at gastric bypass operations, gastric band operations - all before they get to the magic 65 then pop their clogs.

All in all, I'd say the skinnies still cost less.

[Shaun]

Are gastric bands on the NHS? :o I thought they were a private thing.

[Pyramid*]

Are gastric bands on the NHS? :o I thought they were a private thing.

Yes re NHS, if conditions are met - and it depends on how good your doctor is, consultant, bla bla bla

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/weight-loss-surgery/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Also: Boob jobs (implants as well as reductions, and augmentations) are also done on the NHS but that's another discussion thread altogether.

[lostalex]

Be nice lostalex to fellow members, it's called a bit of respect that us 'simple minded' folk over in the UK like to afford one another.

Anyhow: I'll bite.

I hate to point out the obvious errors in your calculations above: who is saying that skinny people between the ages of 66-95 even require anything from the NHS - at all.

Many are very healthy and need no treatment whatsoever because they have eaten the right things, because they have exercised and taken care of their body, inside and out. Give or take the odd annual flu jab.

Most obese people have breathing difficulties and require several types of medications, as well as meds to prevent DVT etc, and that's not taking into account the treatment for their heart attacks, operations for heart bypasses etc, meds for their heart conditions due to the excess stress their obesity places on the internal organs, high blood pressure, wasted attempts at gastric bypass operations, gastric band operations - all before they get to the magic 65 then pop their clogs.

All in all, I'd say the skinnies still cost less.

maybe it's different in the UK, but in the US it's recommended that everyone get a yearly check up.

[Shaun]

-considers a boob job :tongue:-

[Pyramid*]

maybe it's different in the UK, but in the US it's recommended that everyone get a yearly check up.

Mabye you should consider checking what actually takes place in the UK and how the NHS funds are utilised, before slating the hell out of [sic] the more simple minded forum members [sic] who do in fact live in this country and have far more knowledge on our own NHS than you appear to think you have.

[lostalex]

Mabye you should consider checking what actually takes place in the UK and how the NHS funds are utilised, before slating the hell out of [sic] the more simple minded forum members [sic] who do in fact live in this country and have far more knowledge on our own NHS than you appear to think you have.

I've "slated the hell" out of the NHS?? really? please quote me.

You have a very crafty and disingenuous way with words dude.

[Kazanne]

Fat people know the score,if that is how they want to be that is their choice,they aren't hurting anyone,while I take Pyramids point of view I also take Jedward Fevers point there are hundreds of things draining our resources,some of which are far worse that people overeating,I have seen someone almost destroyed by 'fat' jibes there really is no need for it,if you don't like that extra skin,say nothing it's not your problem,just get on with your own lives,I have friends fat and thin as long as we get on who cares?not I.

[Pyramid*]

I've "slated the hell" out of the NHS?? really? please quote me.

You have a very crafty and disingenuous way with words dude.

Suggest you read the words that I actually put together, one word after another - and not randomly mix up those words, to re-assemble them into the bizarrely fashioned quoted words that you have used in your post above.

[Vladimir]

I don't think that joking about someone's weight/looks would help them at all, it could only make things worse. I used to be overweight and I was really unhappy because I tried to lose weight so many times, and I finally did it last year when I lost more than 70 pounds in 6 months. It wasn't easy, but I'm more than satisfied now.

[tmi]

The thing is people who are overweight are overweight because they eat too much . There is generally is an emotion that is attached to food, low self esteem, depressed etc. Smokers have things they attach fags to after eating, with a coffee, etc. Drinking booze is associated with socialising and can also be attached to people's emotions. The trouble with food is part of life and its is a lot harder to control than the latter two things has you have to eat to live, I think overweight people should cure the problem then they can cure the overeating.
As for Frank Skinner didnt he have his own addiction demons, pot and kettle spring to mind.

[Pyramid*]

The thing is people who are overweight are overweight because they eat too much . There is generally is an emotion that is attached to food, low self esteem, depressed etc. Smokers have things they attach fags to after ating, with a coffee, etc. Drinking booze is associated with socialisong and can also be attached to people's emotions. The trouble food is aprt of life and is a lot harder to control than the latter two things has you have to eat to live, I think overweight people should cure the problem then they can cure the overeating.
As for Frank Skinner didnt he have his own addiction demons, pot and kettle spring to mind.


Hi Tmi !! :wavey:

That's fine...if there is some psychological reason for the addiction. But that is not the case for all fat/obese people.

Those who are fat / obsese get that way, not through addiction: but down to eating too much of the wrong things, and not enough exercise.

Pretending that being fat and obese people get that way due to only an addiction is complete denial of the truth: MOST fat people are fat due consuming more calories than they burn.

We've (you and I) have had this convo many times over ;) and I know it's one that we end up agreeing to disagree. :)


To Vladimir - excellent job and well done indeed. You did something about it and all credit to you for that. :)

[tmi]

Hi Tmi !! :wavey:

That's fine...if there is some psychological reason for the addiction. But that is not the case for all fat/obese people.

Those who are fat / obsese get that way, not through addiction: but down to eating too much of the wrong things, and not enough exercise.

Pretending that being fat and obese people get that way due to only an addiction is complete denial of the truth: MOST fat people are fat due consuming more calories than they burn.

We've (you and I) have had this convo many times over ;) and I know it's one that we end up agreeing to disagree. :)


To Vladimir - excellent job and well done indeed. You did something about it and all credit to you for that. :)

Mid it is a vicious circle I suppose, I have weight issues I have no excuse. Then on the other hand I cant understand alcoholics or drug users addiction, I think maybe if you have had demons with whatever vice you will have empathy with, if you havent had an addiction of sorts it perhaps harder to empthaise if that make sense, I understand your arguement though, that is what called debate willing to listen to the otherside of the of the arguement.:xyxwave: I do apologise for the spelling mistakes.:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Mid it is a vicious circle I suppose, I have weight issues I have no excuse. Then on the other hand I cant understand alcoholics or drug users addiction, I think maybe if you have had demons with whatever vice you will have empathy with, if you havent had an addiction of sorts it perhaps harder to empthaise if that make sense, I understand your arguement though, that is what called debate willing to listen to the otherside of the of the arguement.:xyxwave: I do apologise for the spelling mistakes.:joker:

Both you and I know the reason for any weight issues you have - and as far as I recall and understood= the reasons were not due to you having no excuse but other reasons which I will not mention here as it is very personal to you.

If the reasons are not of an addictive nature - that's a different ball game altogether - falling into the medical category.

You say that weight gain can be an addiction, but cannot afford that same reasoning or sympathy that you apply to food addiction to those with other addictions?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You also said:-


As for Frank Skinner didnt he have his own addiction demons, pot and kettle spring to mind.



Again, he was speaking about fat people who consume more calories than they burn up, who have no real desire to give a damn - not people with addictions. What that has to do with your reference above, is beyond me.

The majority of overweight people are overweight because they eat too much / eat the wrong things and exercise too little.

[tmi]

Both you and I know the reason for any weight issues you have - and as far as I recall and understood= the reasons were not due to you having no excuse but other reasons which I will not mention here as it is very personal to you.

If the reasons are not of an addictive nature - that's a different ball game altogether - falling into the medical category.

You say that weight gain can be an addiction, but cannot afford that same reasoning or sympathy that you apply to food addiction to those with other addictions?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You also said:-



Again, he was speaking about fat people who consume more calories than they burn up, who have no real desire to give a damn - not people with addictions. What that has to do with your reference above, is beyond me.

The majority of overweight people are overweight because they eat too much / eat the wrong things and exercise too little.

I suppose I cant argue with the latter of your statement. I will just say the same story has before a woman had gastric band and she lost a shed load of weight but then because she was an addict she took up drinking and became a alcoholic. I think the reason behind addictions should be cured. Most people turn to food as a comfort, a bit like someone sucking they thumb, (what do you say to them cut of your thumb).:joker: My rule is if I dont want to eat crap dont buy it ,end of.:joker: I suppose everyone has some downfall, whether it be smoking, drinking , eating, they all can be cured with the right amount of will power and attainment, have you give up the fags Mid:nono::hugesmile: Little story I will share, a woman standing outside a hospital on the phone to a relative, she said ' yes they told me I had a bad asmatha attack and needed to give up the fags, ( she was smoking one at the time) but I told them I cant.' There is no such word has cant , is dont want to more like. A bit like a person who over indulges they know its wrong but cant, (in other words wont) stop doing it. I think I will take my leave now before I get thrown out. I know Im doing a u turn on my own arguement, just thought if people like having a cake two many or a fag too many is not they cant but wont stop it. People have choices and they choice to overeat yet some who do overeat have an addiction from some emotional or physical problems. Hey Mid I cant blame my medial problems on my eating it is my fault I like junk food. I have adjusted my bad habits and only allow to happen occasionally rather than a frequent occasion.